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Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:00 pm | Updated: 8:51 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

If you needed more evidence that the United States is in full self-destruct mode, you got it last week when it was announced that former Vice President Al Gore had sold his failed cable talk network Current TV to Al Jazeera for $500 million.

Gore wasn’t the only partner in Current TV, so he is expected to reap only about $70 million, but that’s a pretty hefty haul for a guy who was worth under $2 million when he ran for president in the year 2000. Nor can you attribute the big cash infusion to his brilliance as an entrepreneur. Current TV was a dismal failure in all regards, and has practically no market value as an economic engine.

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          224 comments:

          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:09 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Does the concise definition of post WWI "liberty" illustrated in the link below, envision what the great libertine philosopher HTC and his distinguished NRA and FOX intelligentsia colleagues had socially and psychologically predestined all along?

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/19/1180462/-You-too-can-legally-be-prepared-to-take-out-a-police-force-for-less-than-5-300

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:13 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Pete posted at 12:55 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.
            Posts: 2140
            Another progressive genius...where have I heard this before? hmmmm
            "Actor Danny Glover tells students 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery"
            -----------------
            Gee, dad, I've heard stuff like that too! I wonder what some of those boys south of the Mason-Dixon line were thinking, back in the day? Certainly, as Kay pointed out, the word Liberty has only one, concise meaning? Didn't we resolve the issue around 1865 or so? Not really, I reckon, since now we have the Federal Reserve and it is all quite subtle but totally complete? Struggle on, eh! Keep the Powder Dry, eh?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:05 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Joseph Kelley, Utah Man, Takes Rifle To J.C. Penney To Show Guns Can Be Safe

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/joseph-kelley-gun-rifle-jc-penney-guns-safe-law-abiding-citizens_n_2504142.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

            A Utah man brought a rifle and a pistol with him to a J.C. Penney department store to demonstrate that guns can be safe in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

            On Wednesday, Cindy Yorgason was shopping at the J.C. Penney in Riverdale when she saw a man with a rifle slung across his chest, extra ammunition and a sidearm in a holster on his right hip, according to KSL 5 TV. She took some photos and posted them to Facebook, where images quickly went viral.

            "He was in the wrong place and shouldn't be doing this at this location," Yorgason told KSL, adding that she didn't feel threatened at the time.

            The rifle-toting shopper was later identified as 22-year-old Joseph Kelley. He revealed that he was carrying an unloaded AR-15 and the handgun was a loaded Glock 19C, according to The Salt Lake Tribune, adding that he is a firm believer in the Second Amendment.

            He said he brought the guns to J.C. Penney to show that firearms are not dangerous in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

            "I felt no negative vibes from anyone," Kelley told the Tribune. "I think it went rather surprisingly well."

            He said he carries weapons with him in order to protect children and others from "criminals, cartels, drug lords" and other "evil men."

            Kelley is not the only one to openly carry firearms in a pro-Second Amendment demonstration -- a move gun advocates have made since President Barack Obama's push for stricter gun control legislation in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

            Earlier this month, Warren Drouin and Steven Boyce of Portland, Ore., walked down a main street in the northwest city carrying their assault rifles. They said they were exercising the Second Amendment and hoped to educate the public on gun rights.

            Drouin said he wanted bystanders to talk to them, not call the police.

            "What they really should do is observe the person to determine if the person is aggressive. We're not doing anything threatening to anyone," he said.

            Carrying firearms in public is legal in Oregon and carrying a concealed handgun is also legal with a valid license, according to KPTV.

             
          • kohana posted at 4:01 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/A-Prescription-for-Head-Colds-and-the-Inauguration

            by Dave Carter

            It's difficult to kick-start a column when the right word won't come along. And I've been searching all over the hotel too. In one corner I found, "Effrontery," but that doesn't take in the totality of the event. I located "Banality" by the vending machine, and it seemed a qualified candidate at first, but it's not tall enough to reach the height of the insult. But what do you think? Because on one hand, we have the words of Abraham Lincoln:

            "We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny."

            Meanwhile, on the other hand, we have a man who, by word and deed, delights and brags on doing as he pleases with the property and lives of other men. And yet(!) in a few days he will place his hand on Abraham Lincoln's Bible and swear an oath to uphold a Constitution which, by his own admission, he views as fundamentally flawed, which he has violated as a matter of routine in his first term in office, and which he will proceed to further overrule at every convenient opportunity. The looming inauguration is not, therefore, just an effrontery, or a banality, or even an insult. It is a profanation against the very concept of a solemn oath before God, a debauching of civic life and virtue, and a besmirching of our national heritage.

            Four years ago, my sister steadfastly refused to watch the inauguration on the grounds that she knew what this President was up to and she didn't want to bear witness to the beginning of the onslaught. I, however, watched it partly for the historic moment and partly due to the curiosity which compels one to watch, say, a car wreck. Four years ago, at least there was the hope that once the veil was lifted and the "fundamental transformation" of America was revealed to be the replacement of a limited government with the imposition of increasingly centralized authority from Washington, that the people would reverse course and embrace the nation's founding principles. But that hope was revealed to be only so much rubbish and the hell with it.

            As I write these words, the television in the hotel lobby is playing video footage of natural disasters. In these clips, people flee as quickly as possible from the path of the tornado, or the fire, the blizzard, or the rising flood waters. I don't mind watching that. It's the oaf that decides to go surfing as the waters rise, and who will expect others to rescue him from the consequences of his own stupidity, that causes me to change channels. So I think I'll do something else during the inauguration.

            I always enjoy reading the madcap ways in which some college students answer their test questions. Why listen to vapid tributes to the genius of America from a President who doesn't trust Americans with more than seven bullets to defend themselves when instead I can enjoy the resourcefulness of a student who instructs us that, "To collect fumes from sulfur, hold a deacon over a flame in a test tube." After all, as one student observed, "When you breath, you inspire," and "When you don't breath, you expire," and I'd much rather be inspired by these creative minds than expire while listening to the tired bromides of ideas that have bankrupted every country that has tried them.

            Better to read that "Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock," than to hear that the remedy to evil in our time is to make it more difficult for the law abiding to defend themselves. I'd rather learn that 300 Spartans died at Waterloo, or that Huey Long defeated George III during the Peloponnesian War somewhere close to the Alamo, than hear a President say that a health care law which provides for over 16,000 IRS agents (but not a single extra doctor) will improve the health of Americans. Speaking of which, did you know that for a nosebleed, you should, "Put the nose lower than the body until the heart stops," and that, "For head colds, use an agonizer to spray the nose until it drops into your throat." Or that a Vacuum is, "A large empty space where the pope lives?"

            So while others take blood pressure medication and try not to expire while an utterly meaningless oath is taken and empty platitudes bounce off sacred monuments, profaning the people those monuments honor and abusing the ears and minds of free men, I'll acquaint myself with such antics as Honors English student Peter Nguyen engaged in when he wrote:

            Walt Whitman is 90 stories tall, and his adventures are legendary. With his blue Ox, Emily Dickinson, Walt Whitman travelled across young America and helped the nation grow into the angry powerhouse it is today. He dropped his might axe, forming the Grand Canyon; the apple cores he would spit from his mighty mouth planted apple seeds all across the country; and the stomp of his mighty boot caused the stock market to crash. He and his friend, Huck Finn, travelled down the Mississippi river and freed the slaves.

            It's more honest, more refreshing, and beats the stew beef out of watching a self-inflicted, national car wreck.

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/A-Prescription-for-Head-Colds-and-the-Inauguration

             
          • kohana posted at 3:38 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            Bronco posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013
            "We're on board with Prince Al W who, in 2002, donated $29 million to the families of Palestinians during a TV telethon following Israeli operations in the West Bank city of Jenin."

            Why not tell everyone what those "Israeli operations" were all about, not just leaving it hanging as if Israel just goes into the West Bank and slaughters at will? During the al-Aqsa Intifada, started by Yasser Arafat, Israel launched Operation Defensive Shield with the stated aim of dismantling terrorist infrastructure so as to curb suicide bombings and other militant activities. The army encircled and entered six major Palestinian population centers in the West Bank, among them Jenin. During the Battle of Jenin in April 2002, 23 Israeli soldiers and 52 Palestinians, including militants, were killed.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:29 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Billings Gazette Article

            Assisted suicide remains illegal in Montana
            DECEMBER 23, 2012 12:00 AM

            Fred Brewer's Dec. 16 letter refers to "exaggerated claims of abuse" on people approaching
            the end of their lives. It is, however, well-established that older people do suffer abuse and that
            such abuse is widespread.

            Brewer also implies that assisted suicide is legal under the Montana Supreme Court case,
            Baxter v. State. This is untrue. Attorneys Greg Jackson and Matt Bowman did an extensive
            analysis, concluding the following: "After Baxter, assisted suicide continues to carry both
            criminal and civil liability risks for any doctor, institution, or lay person involved."

            As for assisted suicide in Oregon, its law, by accident or design, has significant gaps that allow
            patient abuse to occur. Moreover, any studies claiming that the law is safe are invalid. In the
            2011 legislative session, Sen. Jeff Essmann summarized the situation as follows: "[A]II the
            protections [in Oregon's law] end after the prescription is written. [The proponents] admitted
            that the provisions in the Oregon law would permit one person to be alone in that room with the
            patient. And in that situation, there is no guarantee that that medication is self-administered.

            “So frankly, any of the studies that come out of the state of Oregon's experience are invalid
            because no one who administers that drug ... to that patient is going to be turning themselves in
            for the commission of a homicide."

            For more information about problems with legalizing assisted suicide, please go to
            www.montanansagainstassistedsuicide.org

            BradleyWilliams, president
            Montanans Against Assisted Suicide

            Hamilton

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:14 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            kohana: Al Gore: The wealthy get wealthier

            HTC: Even though Al pays the lower capital gains tax rate on his handsome profit and has vigorously supported Obama's demand that the rich "pay their fair share", this will be the third time that he has profited handsomely while doing what he insists is unfair.

            Typical liberal hypocrite.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:52 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            laker1 posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013

            I remember reading a number of years back that federal tax law which makes life insurance proceeds nontaxable only extends that tax shielding to policies that meet a few requirements, including covering suicide after no more than two years of the policy taking effect.

            Naturally, insurance companies make a big deal of that tax shield, so their policies have to meet that requirement in order to enjoy that protection.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:06 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            How J.Edgar Hoover and the FBI sabotaged Black America....

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJea1_z2Ow

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:57 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drBNoeEJphg

             
          • Pete posted at 12:55 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Another progressive genius...where have I heard this before? hmmmm

            "Actor Danny Glover tells students 2nd Amendment was created to protect slavery"

            http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4582

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:39 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Bronco posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            "Praise the worthies in the Flathead."

            IABD- Check out one of the largest non-union employers in the Flathead:

            http://www.teletechexposed.com/

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:17 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            OK. So, we have determined that it is anti-American, treasonous!, for Al Gore to sell his business to Al Jazeera...but we have no problem with Rupert Murdoch's Fox News and News Corp. being partially owned by the Saudi Royal Family, namely the Prince Al Waleed.

            We're on board with Prince Al W who, in 2002, donated $29 million to the families of Palestinians during a TV telethon following Israeli operations in the West Bank city of Jenin.

            It's only anti-Israel or anti-American if a Democrat does it. Praise Fox News and Rupert Murdoch. Praise the worthies in the Flathead.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:16 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Why do normal people detest somebody who acts like he's superior to them such as HTC with his global superpatriot diatribe?

            "Those exhibiting the superiority complex have a self-image of supremacy. "Those with superiority complexes may garner a negative image in those around them, as they are not concerned with the opinions of others about themselves."

            "We should not be astonished if in the cases where we see an inferiority [feeling] complex we find a superiority complex more or less hidden. On the other hand, if we inquire into a superiority complex and study its continuity, we can always find a more or less hidden inferiority [feeling] complex."

            "If a person is a show-off it is only because she or he feels inferior, because she or he does not feel strong enough to compete with others on the useful side of life. That is why she or he stays on the useless side. She or he is not in harmony with society. It seems to be a trait of human nature that when individuals - both children and adults - feel weak, they want to solve the problems of life in such a way as to obtain personal superiority without any admixture of social interest. A superiority complex is a second phase. It is a compensation for the inferiority [feeling] complex."

            "The superiority complex is one of the ways which a person with an inferiority complex may use as a method of escape from her or his difficulties. She or he assumes that she or he is superior when she or he is not, and this false success compensates her or him for the state of inferiority which she or he cannot bear. The normal person does not have a superiority complex, she or he does not even have a sense of superiority. She or he has the striving to be superior in the sense that we all have ambition to be successful; but so long as this striving is expressed in work it does not lead to false valuations, which are at the root of mental disease."

            From Alfred Adler's point of view, an individual faced with a task wants to overcome or master the task. This is known as striving for superiority. For a well adapted individual, this striving is not for personal superiority over others, but an overcoming of the task, or finding useful answers to questions in life. When faced with the task, the individual will experience a feeling of inferiority or a sense that the current situation is not as good as it could be. This feeling is similar to stress. If the individual has not been properly trained, the task may seem too much to overcome and lead to an exaggerated feeling of inferiority, or intense anxiety. The individual may, after several unsuccessful attempts to accomplish the task, give up on mastering the task, experiencing the inferiority complex, or a depressed state. The individual may also make several attempts at solving the problem and find a solution to the problem that causes problems in other areas. An individual who answers the question "How can I be thin?" by not eating will become thin, but at the cost over their overall health.

            An individual who is not properly trained to answer life's problems may turn from striving for superiority in useful ways to that of a personal superiority at all cost. If an individual cannot be better than another on their own merit, they will attempt to tear down another other person or group to maintain their superior position.


            ^ Ansbacher, Heinz L., and Ansbacher, Rowena R., ed.. The Individual Psychology of Alfred Adler - A Systematic Presentation in Selections from his Writings. New York: Basic Books Inc., 1956 (page 259 & 260)

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:14 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            laker1
            I was looking into that after HTC's comment yesterday, and was a little surprised. It is up to the States on the waiting time, with 2 years being the common amount. Although just about all states have a clause that allows them to question the thoughts at the time of the signing, no matter how long it has been. I have no clue as to how rigid that process is, or if it is used to deny the payout often? Although I did read one analysis that stated suicide is primarily caused by an underlying sickness, and most of the sicknesses are covered, therefore that particular company pays out, assuming the 'wait time' has been met. I wonder if more people knew this, if weird suicides that end up costing innocent lives, would or could be averted?

             
          • kohana posted at 10:07 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            January 19, 2013

            Al Gore: The wealthy get wealthier

            Ethel C. Fenig

            Academy Award winner, Nobel Peace Prize winner, false environmentalist and, oh yes, former Vice President and president wannabee Al Gore (D) has been very busy lately. And not from huffing and puffing about climate change or some such thing.

            Fresh from a $100,000,000 profit from selling a cable network you probably never heard of--or watched--to foreign polluters who make money on oil, Gore emerged from another deal; exercising his stock options to purchase 59,000 shares of Apple stock at $7.45 or so a share. On Friday Apple closed at $500. Such a deal!

            The late Steve Jobs invited Al Gore to sit on Apple's board.

            Al Gore has just purchased a big chunk of Apple stock by exercising his Apple stock options. A filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission shows that Gore exercised options on January 15 to buy 59,000 Apple shares at the price of $7.475 a share. That means Gore paid around $441,000 for his load of Apple stock. With the shares trading just under $500 this morning, Gore's investment is now worth around $29.5 million. Gore is now wealthier than Mitt Romney (R), another failed presidential contender often castigated for his wealth by Gore's fellow Democrats.

            In the top 1% of the 1% wealth, Gore can now purchase all the environmentalism he needs.

            Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/al_gorethe_wealthy_get_wealthier.html at January 19, 2013 - 11:05:36 AM CST

             
          • laker1 posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            Rob123,
            Since life insurance is regulated by the individual states, statutory requirements differ in different states. In Montana, Section 33-20-121, MCA, allows an insurance company to include a provision that it may avoid a life insurance contract within the first two years if the insured commits suicide. However, in Colorado, the period is one year, Section 33-20-121, C.R.S. Apparently there are states which do not have a limitation and an insurance company could avoid the contract.

            The source of these statutes is a model act proposed by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners which includes the two year limitation.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:22 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013

            "Rob123: I am sure more people would, if our insurance laws were like Japans, which pays out for suicide."
            "HTC: By law, life insurance in this country has to pay out as well, provided you've had the policy for at least two years."

            IABD- Sounds like you have a well thought out company health benefits package for your employees. Providing they can survive working in your hostile working environment for that long.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:36 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            kohana: "A few days ago, Obama was quoted as saying that Israel doesn't know what is in its best interest."

            "...President Obama - my first response to your absurd and patronizing comment is that one could easily accuse the US of not knowing what is in their best interests, after all, they re-elected you, didn't they?"

            HTC: Touche!

            Obama's ignorant comment also demonstrates his profound arrogance and narcissism (IABD, you must actually love narcissists since you've said that Obama was the only obvious choice in November.) Only an egomaniac who grew up in a secure and prosperous country like ours, with everything handed to him on a silver platter sans any actually achievements on his part, and who has never experienced constant terrorist attacks from enemies which surround him and are bent on his annihilation, could have made such an incredibly stupid statement.

            To all rational and thinking people, it is obvious that the only thing standing between terrorism-sponsoring Iran getting their own nukes is the Israelis. The world is fortunate that the Middle East still has that one pocket of civilized, rational and humane peoples to protect the rest of the stupid, fat and lazy West from its own progressive-fueled suicidal mania.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:22 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: I am sure more people would, if our insurance laws were like Japans, which pays out for suicide.

            HTC: By law, life insurance in this country has to pay out as well, provided you've had the policy for at least two years.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:20 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: HTC, you're the only guy I know who jerks himself off with words. Is it even possible to think more highly of yourself?

            HTC: Actually, I get off on ideas. Empty or fallacious words are your domain.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:29 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1562

            HRH Prince Michael, your religious fanaticism is disturbing. What's next?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:10 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1562

            kohana posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Hitchcock and the Holocaust

            This video should be mandatory viewing for every registered voter (before you can place your vote). It makes my skin crawl when I hear people say things like "I think we should allow water boarding" and "I don't see anything wrong with guantanamo bay". When we allow this sort of treatment for "them", we will end up becoming "them".

            Also, this part of history may be the strongest argument for all citizens being armed and ready.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:01 am on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1562

            "IABD- Is that your Freudian slip showing and the real reason for wearing breast plates along with enhanced bionic arms, big boy?"

            Don't worry H, he's just busting your chaps!


            Hahahahahaaaaaaa!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:01 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

            HTC- "If I were a woman, I'd be very offended and angered by Obama and his party's efforts to disarm me, especially since my disarming would leave me particularly vulnerable to attack by male criminals who typically have 40%+ more upper body strength than the average female."

            IABD- Is that your Freudian slip showing and the real reason for wearing breast plates along with enhanced bionic arms, big boy?

            http://www.figurerealm.com/viewcustomfigure.php?FID=6871

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:52 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 2:13 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

            In the beginning, there was this mitochondrial Eve woman who lived in Africa between 100,000 and 200,000 years ago and was ancestral to all living humans. Would we not therefore all be jewish and African?

            During our human evolutionary history and territoriality in regards to the necessity of building great walls around cities one wonders if Israel's construction of a great wall was for a dust barrier purpose to protect early jewish humans from the harsh desert sandstorms?
            Perhaps the great wall was needed to protect a shorter jewish humans from other gigantic jewish humans such as the Golliaths. Who knows why we jewish humans are getting progressively shorter during our evolution?

            Why do our armed forces have a height requirement that discriminates against taller jewish humans from enlisting that are over 6' 8"?

            Who has the proper clearance to answer my questions?

             
          • kohana posted at 6:31 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://israelisoldiersmother.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00%2B02:00&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00%2B02:00&max-results=17

            Thursday, January 17, 2013

            By Paula R. Stern

            When Others Speak….

            When others speak in your name, they usually get it wrong. Sometimes, I write about what is happening with my family or what is on my mind and sometimes, I see a few news articles and realize there is an underlying thread that ties them together. Such it is today.

            A few days ago, Obama was quoted as saying that Israel doesn't know what is in its best interest. A Canadian network (CTV), quoted Israel's capital as Tel Aviv; and Admiral William Fallon says that Israel won't be able to take on Iran alone.

            I feel like the person sitting in the room while all around me, people are talking ABOUT me, instead of just asking - so allow me to respond.

            Let's start with the easiest one...

            Dear Canada Television Station (CTV) - let's make a deal, you don't tell me where my capital is, and I won't lecture you on the concept of researching reports before you make yourselves look stupid. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. You want to argue about East Jerusalem, West Jerusalem, North or South...you want to discuss Old City vs. New City - that's up to you - but you can't erase the entire city because you're too lazy to read a map. Jerusalem - all of it - yes, that's right - all of it, united, undivided, eternally ours and eternally our capital.

            Dear Former Admiral William Fallon - I understand in your military assessment based on whatever facts you think you have (and one has to wonder how old that information is, former admiral), you believe Israel can't go it alone with Iran. A fundamental concept in warfare is to know your enemy (and perhaps, your allies). If you want to go according to standard equations of military history, Israel would not be here today. We never would have left the starting gate back in 1948.

            By all that is logical, the Arab armies that invaded to push the Jews into the sea would have succeeded - in 1948, in 1956. Certainly in 1967 and most definitely in 1973. When Iraq fired 39 SCUD missiles at a major population area, they should have killed hundreds. Hezbollah's rocket bombardment in 2006 should have resulted in catastrophic casualties as they fired at over 1 million people and Gaza's 15,000 rockets fired at Israel over the last decade or more should have decimated perhaps thousands. They fired rockets at Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. If you apply "logic" to this situation, you are correct, logically, Israel can't eliminate Iran's nuclear threat alone. Ah, but Former Admiral Fallon, what you fail to see is that our pilots never fly alone. As in 1948, so shall it be now. Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Chelmno, Treblinka. Warsaw....what we couldn't do then, we will do now. If you don't understand that, you don't understand anything and you can't possibly know what Israel can do, will do, to make sure we are never again where once we were.

            And finally, President Obama - my first response to your absurd and patronizing comment is that one could easily accuse the US of not knowing what is in their best interests, after all, they re-elected you, didn't they? But that is childish and though it tickles my fancy, the fact is that Israel DOES know what is in our best interest and deluding ourselves that we have a chance at peace any time soon is not helpful. We do not have a peace partner. The President of Egypt, one of our so-called peace partners, has repeatedly attacked not only Israel, but Jews in general (see In the Words of Our Enemies). You didn't ask me, Obama, but I can tell you that Israel is indeed finally coming to the realization that we can't dance to your tune; that we have to watch out for what is best for us and baby, you ain't it.

            In the Words of our Enemies
            Is the truth of what they feel...

            We signed a peace agreement with Egypt; we evacuated towns and homes to give the Sinai desert back to Egypt after the wars of 1956, 1967, and 1973. In each war, we defeated their armies; decimated their defense lines. We'll do it again if we have to. But we don't want to - we don't want to fight and so peace was agreed upon. But the peace with Egypt has always been a cold one - perhaps on both sides...certainly on theirs.

            Will the peace hold? It will - so long as the Egyptians believe that we are strong enough and well trained enough to defeat them again. But there will likely never be real peace - the peace we dreamed about when Sadat came to Jerusalem. It didn't happen under Mubarak and it is clear it won't happen under Morsi.

            This is a man fueled by hatred but the most unforgiving part of it all is that he would have us give his hatred to the generations to come, fed to them as their mothers nurse them. Not my words and certainly not the words of a peace partner.

            Kudos to MEMRI for translating and making these videos available - someday I hope the western world (and that idiot in the White House) will learn that what they say in English is not the language of their hearts. For that, Obama, you need to listen to them in Arabic.

            Guess what? They can't stand you any more than they tolerate us.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RCopdzv29WY


             
          • Bronco posted at 6:11 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC, you're the only guy I know who jerks himself off with words. Is it even possible to think more highly of yourself?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:01 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            HTC: "Personally, I'd rather see suicidal people quietly go out into the woods, put a gun to their heads and end it privately and without collateral damage."

            I am sure more people would, if our insurance laws were like Japans, which pays out for suicide.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:54 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            If I were a woman, I'd be very offended and angered by Obama and his party's efforts to disarm me, especially since my disarming would leave me particularly vulnerable to attack by male criminals who typically have 40%+ more upper body strength than the average female.

            Talk about an "attack on women!"

            I'm sure this woman wished she'd had a gun handy:

            http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/william-clark-philadelphia-subway-attack-video-suspect-identified-in-subway-attack-on-woman

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:41 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            laker1: What’s interesting, according to the CDC, is that nationally people are almost twice as likely to use a gun to kill themselves as kill someone else. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

            HTC: A completely meaningless statistic to those who recognize such when they see one. Studies have shown that merely displaying a firearm has thwarted millions of attempted crimes against people and property every year. We should all be pleased that it's actually rarely necessary to actually pull the trigger to prevent becoming a criminal's victim.

            Studies have also repeatedly shown that those bent on suicide will always find a way to take their lives; therefore, to suggest or imply that having a gun in the home predisposes one to commit suicide with it is pure silliness.

            FBI and other government data show that there has been an upward trend in three methods of suicide: (1) Suicide by cop, where the individual wishing to die comes at an officer with a knife, bat or whatever, forcing him to shoot; (2) Suicide by head-on collision with another vehicle; and (3) Suicide by motor vehicle exhaust.

            In the former case, a decent cop is forced to carry the burden of having killed someone. In the second case, innocent people often lose their lives in the process. In the third case, others have lost their lives due to carbon monoxide seeping into adjoining structures and either died or suffered permanent neurological impairments. In spite of the growing numbers who choose method number 3 and other carnage due to people negligently operating a motor vehicle, I don't see people clamoring to ban cars.

            Personally, I'd rather see suicidal people quietly go out into the woods, put a gun to their heads and end it privately and without collateral damage.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:19 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: "Federal student aid is on an unsustainable path, and efforts should be taken to provide families with greater transparency and the information they need to make prudent choices about a student's future: completion rates, repayment rates, future earnings, and other factors that may affect their decisions. The federal government should not be in the business of originating student loans; however, it should serve as an insurance guarantor for the private sector as they offer loans to students. Private sector participation in student financing should be welcomed. Any regulation that drives tuition costs higher must be reevaluated to balance its worth against its negative impact on students and their parents."

            HTC: Well, at least they were correct about student aid being unsustainable. Federal student aid and other educational grants and subsidies are the number one reason why the cost of a college education has long increased much faster than the rate of inflation. Medicare and Medicaid are similar forms of aid for healthcare which are the primary reason why healthcare costs have long risen much faster than the rate of inflation.

            It is government 'help' which accounts for the unaffordability of the very thing which it purports to make affordable. We'll see that antithetical effect again when ObamaCare fully kicks in next year.

            This is no surprise to economists and those with a high degree of common sense and critical thinking skills; however, it might as well be rocket science to those dummies we call Democrats.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:13 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            HRH Prince Michael posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

            Calling you out on your claims of “divinely” reveled writings; and your self-proclamation of being the “heir” to the house of David, with no verifications of any kind is an insult?
            You insult the commenters on this blog with such statements.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:11 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: Such things as National Defense, which requires a military budget far greater than any we have had in any major war....

            HTC: As usual, major B.S. Defense spending during WW II reached 42%; today, it is just under 5%.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:10 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            who new posted at 1:45 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

             
          • who new posted at 1:45 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            HRH Prince Michael: "This, will be my final reply to ANYONE posting here."

            Let us rejoice!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:51 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Mr. H-"Gawd, you're an incredibly delusion moron! Are you and HRH Prince Michael related?"

            IABD- I was wondrin' that of you as well. Both of you display narcissistic personality disorders.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 12:41 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            @Kohana: This, will be my final reply to ANYONE posting here. I don't play
            the "Dueling Comments" game, and cheap insults are employed to disguise ignorance.

            I'm not a liberal. I'm not a conservative. I'm not Republican. I'm not Democrat.
            Indeed, I do not subscribe to antiquated, highly-ineffective, and wholly-corrupted
            ideologies/concepts. As a second-generation U.S.A.F. veteran, - from an extended
            family of veterans- I've defended the Divinely-inspired Constitutional Rights of
            all Americans - including the Second Amendment.

            As a Christian and an American, I will not allow ANY individual, group, nor
            trade/industry organization (Read: NRA) to re-interpret (or pimp), the U.S.
            Constitution, for their own self-serving needs.
            America has seen time and time again, what a "responsible" group the NRA is, NOT.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:27 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Deanna Durbin and the Holocaust

            http://www.seraphicpress.com/deanna-durbin-and-the-holocaust/

            Deanna Durbin - Il Bacio - Arditi

             
          • laker1 posted at 12:12 pm on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            Mooseberryinn said: “I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Americans owned guns, (registered or not).”

            Surprise! 1 out of 3 adults in the United States owns a firearm. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx What’s not surprising is that men are twice as likely to own a gun as women, residents of the South and Midwest are more likely to own guns than residents of the East and Pacific regions, and Republicans are more likely to own guns than Democrats.

            What’s interesting, according to the CDC, is that nationally people are almost twice as likely to use a gun to kill themselves as kill someone else. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf

            It’s even worse in Montana. In 2010, 141 of the 227 suicides used a firearm while 16 of the 29 homicides were caused by a firearm. Thus, it’s almost 9 times more likely that a gun owner will kill himself in Montana than another. http://www.dphhs.mt.gov/statisticalinformation/vitalstats/ .

            Funny, I never thought of th NRA as being a supporter of assisted suicide but that's sort of how it works out..

             
          • kohana posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Hitchcock and the Holocaust

            By Robert J. Avrech | January 17, 2013

            http://www.seraphicpress.com/hitchcock-and-the-holocaust/#more-14797

            Alfred Hitchcock’s movies have been the subject of intense scrutiny for decades. Understandably, we who love Hitchcock, focus on his unique cinematic language, the almost shamanistic ability to move the audience into shifting and complex points of view, and his mastery of suspense.

            Less known are the propaganda films he volunteered to work on during World War II.
            And perhaps the least known but most important allied film on which Hitchcock labored was never finished, and unceremoniously filed into the Imperial War Museum under the archival title number: “F3080.”

            In June 1945 Hitchcock sailed to England to join his close friend and future producing partner, Sidney Bernstein, to make a documentary about the Nazi concentration camps. Bernstein, a British film exhibitor and producer, who had a long and close relationship with Hitchcock, was stunned by the horrors of the newly liberated death camps. Bernstein, a tireless anti-fascist and crusader against anti-Semitism, served as an officer in the Ministry of Information. Eisenhower ordered a documentary produced. Other important directors were proposed—Carol Reed and Billy Wilder—but only Hitchcock was able to set aside time.

            In Alfred Hitchcock: A Life and Darkness and Light, author Patrick McGilligan writes:
            [Hitchcock met] with two writers who had witnessed the atrocities of Bergen-Belsen first-hand. Richard Crossman contributed a treatment, while Colin Wills, an Australian correspondent, wrote a script that relied heavily on narration.

            The director had committed himself to the project early enough to give Hitchcockian instructions to some of the first cameramen entering the concentration camps. Hitchcock made a point of requesting “long tracking shots, which cannot be tampered with,” in the words of the film’s editor, Peter Tanner, so that nobody could claim the footage had been manipulated to falsify the reality. The footage was in a newsreel style, but generally of high quality, and some of it in color.

            There are several long panning shots in the film, and lingering close-ups which are almost unbearably graphic.

            “One of the big shots I recall,” said Tanner,” was when we had priests from various denominations who went to one of the camps. They had a Catholic priest. They had a Jewish rabbi. They had a German Lutheran and they had a Protestant clergyman from England. And it was all shot on one shot so that you saw them coming along, going through the camp, and you saw them from their point of view all that was going on. And it was never cut. It was all in one shot. And this I know was one of Hitchcock’s ideas.”
            This shot is not in the film.

            The footage spanned eleven concentration camps, including Bergen-Belsen, Dachau, Buchenwald, Ebensee, and Mathausen. The filmmakers ended up with eight thousand feet of film and newsreel, some of it shot by allied photographers, the rest of it impounded. It was to be cut and assembled into roughly seven reels.

            One reel runs approximately 10 minutes.

            Hitchcock watched “all the film as it came in,” recalled Tanner, although the director “didn’t like to look at it.” The footage depressed both of them: the piles of corpses, the staring faces of dead children, the walking skeletons. The days of looking at the footage were long and unrelievedly grim.

            The film was supposed to “perform the miracle of excoriating Nazi brutality while holding up optimism for postwar Germany.” But funding for the film was suspended in early August. Said Bernstein many years later: “The military command, our foreign office and the U.S. State Department, decided that the Germans were in a state of apathy and had to be stimulated to get the machine of Germany working again. They didn’t want to rub their noses in the atrocities.”

            Despite Bernstein’s protests, the unfinished fifty-five minute film—without completed sound or narration—was dumped into the Imperial war Museum, under the title of its archival file number: “F3080”—or “Memory of the Camp,” as it has come to be known—was discovered to be no Hitchcock flight of fancy, but an extremely hard-nosed, politically farsighted, totally unflinching look at the nightmare truth—“truth,” as Norman Lebrecht wrote in the Sunday Times, “at its most naked.”

            Here, then is the Hitchcock Holocaust movie. Warning: It is graphic and deeply disturbing. As was intended and as it should be. The voice-over narration is by Trevor Howard.

            An Alfred Hitchcock documentary on the Nazi Holocaust

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xI_6oLPC-S0#!

            You might also want to read Deanna Durbin and the Holocaust.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:54 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            HRH Prince Michael posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013
            (HATE Truth, LOVE Guns)

            Do you deliberately obfuscate what conservatives are/believe? Actually we love truth/reality and love the ability to protect ourselves from criminals who do not obey the law, and use guns to deliberately create mayhem.

            See my next post for why Americans love guns, and won't give them up readily.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:43 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/18/1180046/-It-s-official-NRA-president-loses-his-ever-loving-mind

            http://www.azcentral.com/php-bin/commphotos/show.php?colid=24352&slide_nbr=1&fAZ=1&HTTP_REFERER=http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/opinions/benson/bensondex.html#2

            http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/senate_denounce_nra/?p=senate_denounce_nra&r=6995364&id=53524-6647618-nOEsF_x

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:59 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            I think we all agree that an excellent education would go a long way in reducing the murders of innocents orchestrated by these unstable morons with guns. Why can't we all get on board with this?
            ===============
            First thing we gotta do is admit that if jJesus is ignored, he'll allow children to be killed in our schools:

            "We will continue to work for the return of voluntary school prayer to our schools and will strongly enforce the Republican legislation that guarantees equal access to school facilities by student religious groups. We strongly support voluntary student-initiated prayer in school without governmental interference. We strongly disagree with the Supreme Court’s rulings against student-initiated prayer."
            Source: 2004 Republican Party Platform, p. 84 , Sep 1, 2004
            ==================
            Then we gotta let all those uneducated adults learn there kids triggernometree.

            "The role of the federal government must be limited as we return control to parents, teachers, and school boards. We defend the option for home schooling and call for enforcement of laws to protect family privacy. We will work for the return of voluntary school prayer and will strongly enforce legislation that guarantees equal access to school facilities by student religious groups."
            Source: Republican Platform adopted at GOP National Convention , Aug 12, 2000
            =====================
            But maybe in these difficult economic times it'll be cheaper to just let the teachers carry Glocks...son instead of kicking the can down the road like those idiot Democrats keep proposing, let's SHOOT it down the road!

            "Federal student aid is on an unsustainable path, and efforts should be taken to provide families with greater transparency and the information they need to make prudent choices about a student's future: completion rates, repayment rates, future earnings, and other factors that may affect their decisions. The federal government should not be in the business of originating student loans; however, it should serve as an insurance guarantor for the private sector as they offer loans to students. Private sector participation in student financing should be welcomed. Any regulation that drives tuition costs higher must be reevaluated to balance its worth against its negative impact on students and their parents."
            Source: 2012 Republican Party Platform , Aug 27, 2012

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:55 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            kohana posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

            Cuomo is another flaming liberal hyprocite who, just like Obama, sends his kids to schools with lots of armed officers patrolling the grounds. In the case of Obama's children, they also have Secret Service protection added to that.

            Not surprisingly, a number of the media elites who've attacked the NRA for their suggestion that we put armed guards/officers in every school, also send their kids to schools with armed guards/officers protecting them.

            If you let the vacuum out of a liberal's head and remove the hypocrisy from the rest of them, you're left with just a bag of skin.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:51 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            It's a beautiful day posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013

            Gawd, you're an incredibly delusion moron! Are you and HRH Prince Michael related?

            If you think the cretins on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" are conservatives, you have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of the political landscape.

            But, then, you have demonstrated almost no understanding of almost every other subject, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 10:47 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Whew. Truly " a faithless and perverse generation" (HATE Truth, LOVE Guns).

            Kohana (4:18 PM, 1.17.13): It was never my intention to offend you, nor learn
            of your "lineage". Questions were asked, and I honestly replied. What you believe in, -or not-
            is not my concern, I merely expounded on a parable which you -ironically- referenced.
            If insulting complete strangers is how you "debate", you may need intensive Wall-to-Wall
            Counseling. Which, I could dutifully and effectively provide.

            It's a Beautiful Day (4:51PM, 1.17.13): Again, I merely replied with a completely honest and
            respectful answer. I cannot speak for the delusions of Politicians, Feds, and other cowards.

            Rob 123 (4:41 AM 1.18.13): Mocking, Faith? Thank-you, Kathy Griffin.

            (Perhaps, shaking the dust of the Fathead Valley off me feet, is due?)
            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08
            NOW, The Most Blessed Christ King Yeshua reigns!

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Conservative, n. - A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.
            -- Ambrose Bierce

            Government Spending
            Democrats
            Democrats make no excuses about massive government spending. For the government to provide a happy, healthy, shameless, and even exciting society, for everyone, regardless of their personal means, requires a massive amount of cash from the citizens as well as all you can borrow. Further, to make sure that no citizen gets into trouble and is in bed each night at a reasonable hour, a huge government staff is a necessity. This, in turn, requires every dime the public can spare and just a bit more.

            Republicans
            Republicans, in their hearts, and especially at campaign time, really would like to cut back on government spending -- especially such luxuries as the social, environmental, and health programs. But there are necessities that it would be irresponsible to avoid. Such things as National Defense, which requires a military budget far greater than any we have had in any major war, can no more be cut back than you can cut back on helping the folks back home that need a superhighway to the new park out in the country. These are essential expenditures unlike the "feel good" stuff of the Democrats. When Iraq threatens our shores by such hostile actions as flying one of their planes over the southern half of their country, we better be ready for action.
            -------------
            More here: How to tell a Democrat from a Republican

            http://www.americanpolitics.com/030499dictionary.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.upworthy.com/nra-ad-stuns-conservative-pundits-into-speechlessness-followed-by-really-articul?c=upw1

            http://www.upworthy.com/why-are-these-idiots-harassing-the-parents-of-sandy-hook-victims?c=upw1

            http://www.upworthy.com/bill-oreilly-accidentally-gets-really-racist-on-fox-news-and-they-dont-even-noti?c=upw1

            http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/senate_denounce_nra/?p=senate_denounce_nra&r=6995364&id=53524-6647618-nOEsF_x

             
          • kohana posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/17/cuomos-new-gun-law-does-not-exempt-new-york-cops-could-prevent-police-from-responding-to-school-shootings/?print=1

            Cuomo’s new gun law does not exempt New York cops, could prevent police from responding to school shootings

            Posted By Will Rahn On 6:35 PM 01/17/2013

            A New York lawmaker says that the state’s recently passed gun control law stunningly fails to include any exemptions for law enforcement officers, and technically prohibits police from ever bringing guns on school grounds or possessing extended ammo magazines.

            The NY SAFE Act, which was championed and signed into law by Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo, bans all magazines that hold more than seven bullets and pre-1994 high capacity magazines, and prohibits the carrying of guns on school grounds.

            But because no loophole for law enforcement was included in the law, every police officer in the state is technically in violation of the statute even though the prohibition is unlikely to be enforced, according to New York Assemblyman Al Graf.

            Graf — a former New York City police officer and the ranking Republican member of the assembly’s powerful Codes Committee — says that the ban could even impede the efforts of officers to respond to a school shooting.

            “The language is unclear, and to go further, a cop cannot go on school property with a gun,” Graf told The Daily Caller. “They weren’t exempted from that, either.”

            “There was actually a story that was relayed to me the other day about a New York City police officer who went to a school the other day to pick up his kid, and the security guard told him that if he came to the school with his off-duty gun he would be arrested,” Graf continued.

            The prohibition on carrying a gun into a school could even extend to on-duty police officers responding to an emergency such as a shooting.

            “I guess they would have to sit there and take their gun belts off before they came in” to the school, Graf said.

            Graf says that the exemption was not included in the bill because Cuomo, a rising Democratic star and possible 2016 presidential candidate, rushed it through the legislature via a shortcut known as a “message of necessity.” This allowed for little public scrutiny of the bill, which was easily passed by the legislature and signed into law on Tuesday.

            “I got my hands on the bill at 11:30 at night,” Graf said, adding that he only had an hour to go through it before a meeting of the Codes Committee.

            “Nobody was really able to look the bill,” before it was passed, according to Graf.
            According to Graf, amendments to fix the bill were already in the works by the time it was voted on, but have not yet reached the floor.

            “It doesn’t exclude retired police officers, so all of them have to turn in guns and magazines and stuff like that,” he said. “What they did is disarm the good guys and make sure the bad guys outgun them.”

            “There are so many problems with this bill it’s unreal,” Graf said.

            Gov. Cuomo’s office did not respond to TheDC’s request for comment, but now reportedly says an exemption will soon be included in the law.

            UPDATE: Cuomo spokesman Matthew Wing tells The Daily Caller that “No police officer possessing [an] ammunition clip with more than 7 bullets is in violation of the law or guilty of any crime, period.”

            URL to article: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/17/cuomos-new-gun-law-does-not-exempt-new-york-cops-could-prevent-police-from-responding-to-school-shootings/

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:17 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            HTC - Support for NRA.
            i believe the majority of Americans support the NRA and other gun safety groups. I believe the majority of Americans support the Constitution. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of Americans owned guns, (registered or not).
            And now, we know Comrade Obama, Joe Buffoon and the regime don't support the NRA, the Constitution, and I'll bet they think most of America has guns. At least the last one is a good thing, the first two? No surprise. As before - guns are not the problem, criminals and nutcases are - especially in the Whitehouse.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:00 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            This is even better than most lawyer jokes which poke at their 'character':

            Minnesota lawyer who had affair with client bills her for time spent having sex
            January 18, 2013

            A Minnesota lawyer is suspended indefinitely after having an affair with a client and then billing her for the time spent having sex, TwinCities.com reported.

            Thomas P. Lowe, 58, of Eagan, Minn., who is married, had an affair with a woman he was representing in a divorce case, according to the website.

            Lowe reportedly knew the client for many years, and agreed in August 2011 to represent her in her divorce case. The two began an affair one month later.

            The website reports that at several times, Lowe billed the woman for legal services rendered while the two were having sex -- calling the time spent together a "meeting" or memo draft.

            Lowe will not have a chance for for reinstatement for at least a year and three months, according to the website.

            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/18/minnesota-lawyer-who-had-affair-with-client-bills-her-for-time-spent-having-sex/?test=latestnews#ixzz2ILLx59u9

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Most Support NRA Despite Criticism
            January 18, 2013

            While the National Rifle Association takes a beating daily in the media, a recent poll shows a majority of Americans still support the nation's leading gun-rights group.

            Gallup polling shows 54 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the NRA. Thirty-eight percent have an unfavorable opinion.

            The NRA has once again emerged at the center of a national policy debate, as President Obama and congressional Democrats push a new gun-control plan in the wake of the Connecticut school shooting. The group faced criticism for a press conference one week after the shooting in which NRA chief Wayne LaPierre blasted critics and called for armed guards in every school.

            Still, the Gallup polling was conducted around the time of that press conference, from Dec. 19-22. NRA membership has also surged in recent weeks.

            Perhaps not surprisingly, the favorable opinions were even higher among those who own a gun. Among those who don't, just four in 10 support the NRA.

            Public opinion on the NRA has fluctuated over time, hitting a low of 42 percent in 1995 and a high of 60 percent a decade later -- the high was recorded shortly after the assault-weapons ban expired.

            The poll of 1,038 adults had a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/18/majority-supports-nra-despite-recent-criticism-poll-shows/#ixzz2IL8F4SYQ

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:46 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123 posted at 4:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013 [thumbup][thumbup][lol]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:41 am on Fri, Jan 18, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek_priesthood

            Out of curiosity, HRH Prince Michael , which school of thought concerning your priesthood lineage, do you follow? I'm thinking a 'line in the fog straight into the Jesus Statue on top of Big Mountain, without a helmet'?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:51 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HRH Prince Michael posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Mr.H, "I'm the internationally-recognized heir to The House of David, and the sole known living
            Priest of The Melchizedek Order."

            IABD- So was Romney. Does this make it a mandate?

             
          • kohana posted at 4:18 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            To: HRHPM, Firstly, There is no God nor a kingdom of god, thus your promise of "Higher Dividends" are meaningless. Secondly, I agree you not only have absolutely nothing to prove to me, you cannot prove any such thing, to me or anyone else. Thirdly, I have documents to prove my genealogy back to the 1600s, and my DNA links me to the early Hebrews, of biblical times, which would put me closer in line to be the heir of the "house of David" than yourself.

            Since I do not believe there is a god, that is, your definition of a god, there isn't any divinely inspired anything for me to read. I am not interested in reading your egotistical blathering.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 3:55 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            @Kokohana: Firstly, whatever Talents (abilities/blessing/faith) that you have
            should be invested in The Kingdom of God, for undoubtedly, much "Higher Dividends".

            Secondly, I never name drop. Of course, I have absolutely nothing to prove to you - nor anyone else. Suffice to say, for now? You, -clearly- have not a clue: YOUR "government" FEARS me.
            Anyway, I encourage you to read two Divinely-inspired documents that forever
            altered a nation, and the world:
            The Declaration of 2008 (May 24, 2008): http://www.all4webs.com/q/f/love4yahweh
            The Final Declaration (May 21, 2009): http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            HRH Prince Michael of The House of David: http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:42 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            So what? I am a direct descendant of both Adam and Eve. On the daughter's side.

             
          • kohana posted at 3:22 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HRH Prince Michael posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013

            That was a pretty literal allegory; take money, invest it, and get a return.

            Please prove you are the heir to the house of David, and who internationally recognizes you.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            It's a Beautiful Day (4:02 PM, January 16, 2012): I do not know what you are attempting
            to insinuate by your very wordy post. I've NEVER implied that I'm St. Michael the Archangel.
            I'm the internationally-recognized heir to The House of David, and the sole known living
            Priest of The Melchizedek Order. Indeed, it is complex -albeit Godly-ordained- dichotomy:
            Prince/Warrior/Priest. As of the other "Prince Michaels" that you alluded to? Not, my concern.
            I'm too busy battling -very successfully- a Godless, Oppressive, and Anti-American,
            Confederacy of Evil ("Corporate America", their subservient and well-funded Politicians,
            the state-serving Print/Broadcast "Media", and their complicit "Religious" "Leaders").

            Kokohana (4:13 PM, January 17, 2012): With all due respect - you're preaching to the choir.
            Whereas, the Parable of the Talents was a powerful ALLEGORY by The Most Holy Christ
            King Yeshua, my quote regarding Capitalism was LITERAL.

            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:24 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: Your personal attachment to firearms doesn't suddenly make you something other than a leftie;
            ------------------------------
            Whew! I was sweatin' it. I'm against most entitlements, too. Guess it all boils down to who ya vote for. That makes Rob a card-carrying Conservative. Glad you made it all so simple!
            And since Romney wasn't a Libertarian, I'm thinking you've handed in your card already?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Isn't it interesting how everyone in the MSM has remained silent about the fact that Feinstein's bill to supposedly deal with gun violence doesn't even address the top ten types of firearms used in the commission of crimes?

            Of course, if the Democrats and the MSM were serious about keeping 'assault' weapons out of the hands of criminals, they'd have demanded Holder's head on a platter a long time ago....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:00 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: Fine lefty I'm turning out to be. Guess I'm a neo-con now.

            HTC: Your personal attachment to firearms doesn't suddenly make you something other than a leftie; after all, history shows that ALL socialist and communist tyrants were fond of firearms. They just didn't want anyone else having any.

            Bronco: http://news.techeye.net/security/3d-printers-can-now-produce-30-round-magazines

            HTC: There likely won't be any serious demands to ban 3D printers but there are some lefty lawmakers already considering legislation to force 3D printer manufacturers to develop driver software that will recognize banned or controlled items and refuse to print them.

            There's just no limit to the vast stupidity and ignorance of the left.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:29 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://news.techeye.net/security/3d-printers-can-now-produce-30-round-magazines

             
          • Pete posted at 12:28 pm on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            http://www.assaultweapon.info/

            http://www.americanclarion.com/16097/2013/01/09/new-additions-to-the-leftist-dictionary/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:22 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            jennydoe: Same info, different source which indicates suicides are typically not included in graph...nice try mr htic.....

            HTC: Typically, the anti-gunners use the phrase "gun-related" or "gun-caused" deaths because they normally DO include suicides in order to dramatically boost the numbers they report. The site you've referenced apparently did not do that; however, when you look at your chart's numbers within the broader context of the FBI's UCR data, we can see that roughly 60% of the actual homicides in your chart are gang-related; rougly 25% are justifiable use of deadly force by law enforcement and armed citizens and the rest are what most people call "murder" (mostly domestic violence cases.)

            But even in the absence of major new efforts at gun control, the actual homicide rate has been in signficant decline for several years now; hence, this isn't a growing problem as many anti-gunners would have you believe, but is actually a problem in significant decline.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:14 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            So...if this assault weapons ban goes into effect, will my unregistered, semi-auto 30.06, with one-push detachable clip, be illegal to sell if I put on that thumbhole stock I see on ebay?

            Dang! And I was gonna buy one of those 3D printers so I could make my own 11-shot clips.

            Fine lefty I'm turning out to be. Guess I'm a neo-con now. From communist to fascist, overnight!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:07 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: I am sure you would like to share the methodology of your scholarly statistics? I would hate to find out that I just ran into a glob of self serving epiphenomenological do-do?

            HTC: Memory problems? I covered this a few weeks ago with the FBI's UCR data links.

            UCR data shows that 55% of gun-related deaths are suicides and 24% are gang-related. That's 79% total, or nearly 80% as I stated in today's post.

            As you're so fond of saying: "Enlighten up!"

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:48 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2197

            Same info, different source which indicates suicides are typically not included in graph...nice try mr htic.....

            http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/fo0115_gundeaths1200a.jpg

            doesn't matter how well off financially your grandchildren are.
            when my mother died of a shotgun wound, her rifle sat in the corner.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            HTC: What a relief to know that nearly 80% of those deaths are suicides or gang-related. The other 20% probably wished they had a gun.
            ______________________
            I am sure you would like to share the methodology of your scholarly statistics? I would hate to find out that I just ran into a glob of self serving epiphenomenological do-do?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:28 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Sometimes feeding someone a load of crap is actually good for them:

            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-204_162-57564470/fecal-transplants-beat-antibiotics-for-curing-diarrhea-caused-by-c-difficile/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:57 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:00 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013

            Hitler Hated Liberals and Workers, Too.
            By wbbtexas
            http://wbbtexas.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/20/6096754-hitler-hated-liberals-and-workers-too

            He Also Hated the Disabled, those he Deemed "Unfit". And he Particularly Despised Persons of Mixed Race. These are ACTUAL, PROVABLE - Historical FACTS. Look it UP.

            This is Probably my Last Effort to WAKE UP my Country Before it is TOO LATE. To Try and Rattle a Few Cages and Get at Least a FEW People out there to Realize WHAT they REALLY are Hating and Backing, and the Parallels to a Very Sad Historical Precedent For What is Happening - from the 20th Century.

            I Really Don't Know What ELSE to Say: While Most Americans Still are Fairplay, Hard Working, Decent People with their Heads Screwed on Right, a CERTAIN Percentage has Gone OFF the Rails from Listening to Propaganda from the Demagogues for Years and Years and Years.

            For YEARS: They Have Had Every Single Issue, Every Single Contention, Explained through a Very Smudged Lens. They Have(in the case of FOX TV) Had History Explained to Them in a Warped and Distorted, Often Completely Erroneous Manner; FACTS have Literally Been Invented that were Never SO. Historical Developments have been explained to Them in False and Malicious Ways, in order to STEER them to a Predetermined Reaction. It REALLY isn't their Fault that They ACTUALLY Believe this Re-Written History. They Have Been Strategically, Brilliantly, Misinformed, and Their Thinking Mismanaged by Some of the Most Skillful and Truly Evil Propagandists of ALL TIME.

            Goebbels would be Incredibly proud of the Likes of Karl Rove, Roger Ailes, William Cristol, Charles Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and the Rest of the Republican Propaganda Team at FOX. They are TRULY... his Disciples.

            And They Have Brought this Country, over the Past 10-15 Years, to the Very Brink of Destruction.

            I HAVE to Assume that was their VERY Intention from the Beginning.

            You Really only Have a Short Time Left to Sort all this OUT, and Right the American Ship.

            Time is Running put for a FREE America, with EACH Passing Day the Demagogues have America By the Throat.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:49 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: The Daily Chart Of Gun Deaths That Can’t Stop Growing. Check It Out Now While It Still Fits On Your Computer.

            HTC: What a relief to know that nearly 80% of those deaths are suicides or gang-related. The other 20% probably wished they had a gun.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:36 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: Syria used chemical weapons in Homs, US state department cables reveal

            HTC: The suspected agent is often called "BZ" and is easily synthesized. We know that al Qaeda has pursued its manufacture and probably hopes to launch attacks on our shores using this easily aerosolized, tasteless and odorless agent.

            BZ belongs to a class of chemicals called anticholinergics and is more powerful and longer-lasting than atropine (originally extracted from deadly nightshade). These agents act on both the parasympathetic nervous system as well as the central nervous system.

            We studied them in school in conjunction with the diagnostic phrase "dry as a bone, blind as a bat, red as a beet, hot as a hare, and mad as a hatter." The simultaneous appearance of all these symptoms is nearly always due to exposure to an anticholinergic agent; hence, I find post-exposure reports and suspicions to be credible as this is easily diagnosed even by an EMT (thanks in part to 'recreational' use of anticholinergics.)

            When inhaled in a cloud of the stuff, it easily incapacitates or even kills those exposed. If not fatal, incapacitation can easily last two days.

            I'm not surprised that Obama has done nothing, even though his 'red line' has now been crossed. He's done nothing for four years with Iran, so who would take him seriously?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:07 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            http://www.upworthy.com/the-daily-chart-of-gun-deaths-that-cant-stop-growing-check-it-out-now-while-it-s?c=ufb1

            The Daily Chart Of Gun Deaths That Can’t Stop Growing. Check It Out Now While It Still Fits On Your Computer.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:00 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: Where is the liberal outrage? Where is the liberal suspicion about powerful, unchecked governments? Where is the liberal unflinching devotion to individual liberty?

            HTC: The answer to that question is simple: Liberals are idiots who don't understand what real personal liberty is and, because they don't, they fail to see the threat that big government always represents to that liberty.

            They're not being quiet because it's their guy doing it. They're silent because they're stupid.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:37 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 8:36 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.
            Posts: 1398
            Pete, I'm outraged!
            ------------------------------------------

            See, it's not just me! Enlighten up. [smile]

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:36 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Good Lordy just when the British needs an NRA Rambo action figure.,,So much for British Intelligence...

            Lord Gilbert Suggests Dropping A Neutron Bomb On Pakistan-Afghanistan Border

            - By Ned Simons
            http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/26/lord-gilbert-neutron-bomb_n_2190607.html

            A former Labour defence minister has suggested threatening to drop a neutron bomb on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border in order to crack down on terrorism by creating a impassible barrier between the two countries.

            Speaking in the House of Lords on Thursday, Lord Gilbert said Britain could use the radiation warheads "to create cordons sanitaire along various borders where people are causing trouble".

            "Your Lordships may say that this is impractical, but nobody lives up in the mountains on the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan except for a few goats and a handful of people herding them," he said.

            "If you told them that some ERRB warheads were going to be dropped there and that it would be a very unpleasant place to go, they would not go there.

            "You would greatly reduce your problem of protecting those borders from infiltration from one side or another.

            "These things are not talked about, but they should be, because there are great possibilities for deterrence in using the weapons that we already have in that respect."

            Neutron bombs are a type of thermonuclear weapon designed to kill people while leaving physical structures such as buildings in tact.

            Responding for the government Lord Wallace said the coalition did not share the "rumbustious views" of Gilbert.

            Gilbert, who served Tony Blair in the late 1990s as a defence minister and was a member Intelligence and Security Committee while he was an MP, said he did not favour a nuclear-free world.

            "I am absolutely delighted that nuclear weapons were invented when they were and I am delighted that, with our help, it was the Americans who invented them," he explained.

            "If we think of a world in which they had not been invented, it is very easy indeed to see world war three starting on many occasions after 1945."

             
          • Pete posted at 6:33 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 4:09 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013

            "I love running through the sewer with you. Thanks for inviting me along."

            Who's running through the sewer? I just figured your spell check wasn't working when you mis-spelled "FEW" as "FU". I guess I missed it by that much. Eh?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:09 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Pete posted at 2:20 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.
            "......you need to stop getting your mullet in a knot."

            Oh sure, hit me right in the balding gene.....typical. If I hadn't been such a polite honor roll student in school, I am sure the teachers would have walked up behind me and rubbed my head with their knuckles while firmly and authoritatively demanding that I pay attention. Worked for you, eh? Or, when the Feds started putting pressure on Skin Head groups in the 90's, did you buy some Rogaine to cover your Politics?
            I love running through the sewer with you. Thanks for inviting me along.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:23 am on Thu, Jan 17, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Libra41 posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.
            Posts: 312
            News item: The evil giant, Walmart will hire 100,000 disabled vets. Wonder what they're really up to.
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            Tax Credits for Hiring Veterans
            Receive a Tax Credit of up to $9600 for Every Eligible Veteran Hired

            How can your organization claim a tax credit for hiring veterans?
            On January 1, 2013, Congress passed a bill that extended the Returning Heroes and Wounded Warrior Tax Credits through December 31, 2013. The Returning Heroes Tax Credit provides incentives of up to $5,600 for hiring unemployed veterans, and the Wounded Warriors Tax Credit doubles the existing Work Opportunity Tax Credit for long-term unemployed veterans with service-connected disabilities, to up to $9,600. There is no limit to the number of qualified veterans for whom you can claim this credit.

            Who is an eligible veteran?
            Returning Heroes Tax Credit

            Short-term Unemployed: A new credit of 40% of the first $6,000 of wages (up to $2,400) for employers who hire veterans who have been in receipt of unemployment insurance or compensation for at least 4 weeks.

            Long-term Unemployed: A new credit of 40% of the first $14,000 of wages (up to $5,600) for employers who hire veterans who have been in receipt of unemployment insurance or compensation for longer than 6 months.
            Wounded Warrior Tax Credit

            Veterans with Services-Connected Disabilities: Maintains the existing Work Opportunity Tax Credit for veterans with service-connected disabilities hired within one year of being discharged from the military. The credit is 40% of the first $12,000 of wages (up to $4,800).

            Long-Term Unemployed Veterans with Services-Connected Disabilities: A new credit of 40% of the first $24,000 of wages (up to $9,600) for firms that hire veterans with service-connected disabilities who have been in receipt of unemployment insurance or compensation for longer than 6 months.

            What should you do to file for these credits?
            You must submit Form 8850, Pre-Screening Notice and Certification Request for the Work Opportunity Credit and Form 9061, Individual Characteristics Form (ICF) Work Opportunity Tax Credit, to the WOTC Coordinator within your State Workforce Agency (do not mail to the IRS) within 28 days from when the veteran begins work.

            Businesses should claim these credits on their income tax returns. Currently, the IRS allows companies to carry these incentives back one year or forward 20 years. The credit is first figured on Form 5884 and then becomes a part of the general business credit claimed on Form 3800.

             
          • kohana posted at 8:36 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Pete, I'm outraged! That's why I keep posting these articles, to wake some of our readers up. I send the same articles to my family and friends, rarely get a reply. Get computer generated garbage from our representatives in congress. I finally unsubscribed from their mailing lists, just tired of reading their blather.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:43 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Pete posted at 6:45 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete- "Where is the liberal unflinching devotion to individual liberty?"

            IABD- I don't know? When Sylvester Stallone comes out with Rambo V, we assume.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:19 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Syria used chemical weapons in Homs, US state department cables reveal

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2263485/Syria-used-chemical-weapons-Homs-US-state-department-cables-reveal.html

             
          • Pete posted at 7:18 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            This administration is something else....man are they corrupt. Follow the link and read the whole article. Unreal.

            US: #Assad didn't use chemical weapons in #Syria

            The Obama administration is conducting a robust defense of itself and what some see as its pro-Assad stance in the face of a growing body of evidence that Bashar al-Assad has started to use chemical weapons in the 22 month old conflict that has taken more than 60,000 Syrian lives without them.

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/16/1179569/-BREAKING-US-Assad-didn-t-use-chemical-weapons#

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:59 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nra-spits-graves-new-shoot-em-up-app-article-1.1240207

             
          • Pete posted at 6:45 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HURT: Gun edicts put personal liberty under fire

            Where is the liberal outrage? Where is the liberal suspicion about powerful, unchecked governments? Where is the liberal unflinching devotion to individual liberty?
            We have a president who has radically reshaped the landscape of American government so that it is more of a behemoth than at any time in history and more involved in every aspect of our lives. It is also more unanswerable than ever before.
            Now this president is issuing 23 new edicts aimed at curbing individuals’ gun rights. At the same time, his federal agencies are stockpiling more and more weapons and ammunition.
            And for what, exactly? To go hunting? To shoot the Chinese when they come to collect their debts? To shoot Mexicans tumbling over the Southern border? To shoot the Canadians?
            What does the Department of “Homeland Security” suddenly need 1.4 billion more rounds of ammunition at the very point the same government is making it harder for citizens to arm themselves?
            There are only 300 million of us. How many bullets do you need? That’s more than four bullets for every American man, woman and child. Is your aim really that bad? I mean, have you seen us lately? We are too fat to run very far.
            You can say these concerns are some sort of Alex Jones, wack-nut, black helicopter paranoia or you can simply ask, “Why does the government need a billion more rounds of ammo just as it is trying to disarm citizens?”
            And the lists. The lists of people who are deemed too mentally unstable to own a gun.
            A principled liberal would be horrified at the notion that the government is going to keep giant lists of people who are criminals or who are deemed crazy or dangerous. And even more breathtaking is that these lists will be used to determine the degree of freedom those individuals will be granted by the government.
            Do you remember the liberal outrage over the huge government list to keep people deemed dangerous from flying on airplanes? Ted Kennedy is turning over in his grave.
            Now, of course, no one rightly objects to finding reasonable ways to keep criminals and wackos from getting their hands on guns. But it is shocking how easily and freely liberals have gone along with the notion of more giant government lists of crazy and bad people.
            Then there is the debt-ceiling debate where we have a president who refuses to conduct an open debate over raising it. President Obama orders Congress to simply authorize the government to borrow for him a ton more money. And if they don’t comply with his wishes, then he will seek to take that power away from them.
            The power of the purse in the hands of Congress has always been the check that keeps the president in balance. Only a lover of tyranny — not a liberal — would want to see that check removed.
            Yet, most shocking of all, we have a Senate right now that is led by a cabal that wants to do just that. Literally, they are begging Mr. Obama to take that authority away from them. And, yet, not a peep from liberals.
            And so, Wednesday dawns and Obama will reveal his 23 new gun-control edicts. He will, we are told, surround himself with children for the announcement.
            Where is the liberal outrage?


            Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/16/hurt-gun-edicts-put-personal-liberty-under-fire/?page=2#ixzz2IC26LB00

             
          • Pete posted at 6:38 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 10:48 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            "Because without our 2nd Amendment freedoms, we might be living in a police state."

            Congrats, you just described almost every major urban area in the U.S. that have strict gun control laws.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            It's a beautiful day posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Because in Obama's Amerika any job is a good job.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:17 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            kohana posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Well said!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:11 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            HTC: "From my perspective, 'propaganda' has never been terribly effective EXCEPT in the classroom when it is substituted for actual instruction in the facts, reality and history of the world around us."

            HighTechCowboy posted at 5:12 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HTC: "We claim to care about our children; yet, the NRA is mocked for suggesting that we protect them in school with armed guards.
            Obviously a lot of us don't really love our children and that fact is further reinforced by our continued mortgaging of their futures in order to fund our present selfish interests."

            IABD- Mr.H, Why did you not finish your college education to become a Doctor of Medicine, or a Doctor of Engineering? Is the answer, because you hated and distrusted your instructors and went on to become a San Francisco policeman, then aligning yourself with other sociopaths such as Ted Nugent? Later becoming a local instructor with the NRA displaying a shameless exhibition of your "rugged individualism" for the kids? Hitler would have been proud of you.
            You and the NRA more than likely can't quite fit into the education system with your acute fear of society and detest of educators. By the way, are your assault weapon sales down?
            http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/senate_weapons/?p=senate_weapons&r=6994701&id=53305-6647618-AFGSKCx

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:12 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco posted at 10:48 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            We care about our money; hence, banks and armored cars have armed guards. We care about our president and top political leaders; hence, they have armed guards.

            We claim to care about our children; yet, the NRA is mocked for suggesting that we protect them in school with armed guards.

            Obviously a lot of us don't really love our children and that fact is further reinforced by our continued mortgaging of their futures in order to fund our present selfish interests.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Libra41 posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013
            News item: The evil giant, Walmart will hire 100,000 disabled vets. Wonder what they're really up to.

            Good question? Why would the "Great Mall of China" want to hire 100,000 disabled vets offering non-union slave labor wages and poor benefits?

             
          • kohana posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            Libra41 posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013
            News item: The evil giant, Walmart will hire 100,000 disabled vets. Wonder what they're really up to.

            Maybe they are hoping that when the dung hits the fan, the vets will grab a few rifles off the wall and protect them from the swarming mobs. If the vets are hired as security, the Oath Keepers need to get to them.

             
          • kohana posted at 4:13 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HRH Prince Michael posted at 3:23 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Sorry, but I think you kind of have things hindass backwards. Have you forgotten the parable of the talents? If so, it's Matt. 25:15-30. While you are at it, take a look at Matt. 24:11

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            Well said Kohana. Chairman, Comrade, El Presidente, Emperor, King Obama True to his style of decrees, missed any effective action to deal with crime or nutcases, and instead, trampled on our Constitution. Ya just gotta laugh. King Obozo and Buttfirst Joe succeeded only in further alienating law abiding Americans. How did this Marxist Moron, Lying Liberal, conniving Communist ever get elected? Oh wait....he lied many times every day, and the paid-off media didn't notice.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Who will be the counterfeit Michael the Archangel???
            HRH MICHAEL STEWART OF ALBANY http://watch.pair.com/michael-archangel.html

            Holy Blood, Holy Grail provides a listing of of Merovingian noble families, from which will come the heir-apparent of the purported royal bloodline of Jesus deemed worthy to sit on the throne of the kingdoms of this world. Listed alongside the Plantard and Sinclair (Saint-Claire) bloodlines are "various branches of the Stuarts":

            "We cannot point to one man and assert that he is Jesus' lineal descendant. There are at least a dozen families in Britain and Europe today -- with numerous collateral branches - who are of Merovingian lineage. These include the houses of Hapsburg-Lorraine (present titular dukes of Lorraine and kings of Jerusalem), Plantard, Luxembourg, Montpezat, Montesquiou, and various others. According to the 'Prieuré documents,' the Sinclair family in Britain is also allied to the bloodline, as are various branches of the Stuarts..." (31:145-46)

            According to Kitty Kelly's book, The Royals (p.262, the late Princess Diana was a member of the Stuart bloodline, fifth removed from Charles II, which claims a greater nobility than the reigning House of Windsor, which is not mentioned in the Merovingian royalty. The contribution of the Stuart family to Freemasonry is commended in Holy Blood, Holy Grail:

            "During their stay in France the Stuarts had been deeply involved in the dissemination of Freemasonry. Indeed, they are generally regarded as the source of the particular form of Freemasonry known as Scottish Rite. Scottish Rite Freemasonry introduced higher degrees than those offered by other Masonic systems at the time. It promised initiation into greater and more profound mysteries -- mysteries supposedly preserved and handed down in Scotland. It established more direct connections between Freemasonry and the various activities -- alchemy, Cabalism, and Hermetic thought, for instance -- that were regarded as Rosicrucian…" 31:145-46

            In Bloodline of the Holy Grail, Sir Laurence Gardner attempts to prove that the House of Stuart still retains the legitimate right to the throne of England, possessing a living descendant of Bonnie Prince Charlie, whom the Jacobites tried to restore to the British Throne in 1727. The Jacobite Heritage, however, maintained that Gardner's genealogies are undocumented and cannot be supported by historical evidence.

            The foreword to Bloodline of the Holy Grail is written by a Prince Michael Stewart of Albany, who is the Head of the Royal House of Stewart, which surname Sir Laurence maintains is "Stuart," albeit with a different spelling. The Official Home Page of the Royal House of Stewart provides extensive information about the aspiring Prince, who also holds the position of Head of the European Council of Princes. The Jacobite Heritage refutes Prince Michael's claim to fame:

            "'Prince Michael' claims to be 'President of the European Council of Princes (Le Conseil Europeen des Princes) - Un Organe Consultatif Constitutionel'. He says that this organisation was founded in 1946 (as the International Council of Government) with Archduke Otto of Austria as its President until 1992 (when 'Prince Michael' succeeded). He also says that the heads of all the major European royal houses belong with the exception of the House of Windsor. [The existence of this body before 1990 cannot be verified. Archduke Otto of Austria has never been president of any such body, nor has the head of any major European royal house ever been a member. The only people who might be members are people who claim legitimate descent from long extinct houses such as Hohenstaufen (ie. charlatans). "Prince Michael" claims to have connections with many European royal houses; he is, however, never seen at any of their celebrations marking baptisms, marriages, birthdays, or funerals.]

            Prince Michael is thoroughly debunked as merely another pretender to the British throne on the Fantasy Royalty web site:

            "The Royal House of Stuart became extinct in the male line with the death of Henry (IX) Stuart, Duke of York, Cardinal of the Holy Roman Church and Bishop of Frascati, in 1807. He had succeeded his elder brother, Charles (III) Stuart, sometimes known as 'Bonnie Prince Charlie,' in 1788, on the latter's death without legitimate issue (he left one illegitimate daughter, Clementina, who also died without issue). Both were the sons of James (III), Prince of Wales, only son of James II, King of England, Scotland, France and Ireland, (illegally) deposed as King of England and Scotland on 10 Dec 1688, and as King of Ireland six months later, who died in exile in 1701."

            Compounding the royal intrigue was the "coincidental" release (one week after Princess Diana's death) of an expose of the Royal Family which holds present title to the British throne, the House of Windsor. The Royals by Kitty Kelley brazenly asserts that Queen Elizabeth II was conceived by artificial insemination and that the Queen Mum is illegitimate. A Washington Post review of this popular book stated:

            "Among the more startling claims is that both Queen Elizabeth and her sister, Princess Margaret, were conceived via 'manual fertilization' after their sickly father, George VI, failed to impregnate their mother, now the Queen Mum, in the more usual fashion. … Though the sisters were born in 1926 and 1930, respectively, decades before artificial insemination became a widely used medical procedure, several prominent U.S. medical specialists contacted by The Post say the story's not implausible. 'It might have been quite possible,' says J. Benjamin Younger MD, executive director of the American Society for Reproductive Medicine. 'But is it true?'" (Washington Post, 9/16/97)

            Although this sensational revelation is most likely not true, such propaganda may be part of the smear campaign required to dethrone the already disgraced House of Windsor. Dare we call it conspiracy? We know that Diana was required to give up her crown when she divorced Charles. In his recent release, The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland, Prince Michael claims to be the "legal Pretender to the throne of England" (92:302), by which we infer is meant that he would receive it by default of Prince Charles. Should Prince Charles not accede to the throne (and there have been rumors that he would decline because of so many scandals), then Princes William and Henry may lose the right of succession, Diana having also relinquished her crown.

            Prince Michael makes the point that England does not have a constitution and therefore its monarchy is little more than a despotic feudal system. (92:255-56) He emphasizes, however, that Scotland has a constitution, in fact, it is the same Masonic model used by the Founding Fathers of the United States! However, George Washington, who knew the importance of a monarchy with a hereditary bloodline, is said to have offered the American crown to Charles III Stuart.

            Although The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland does not document its claims concerning the founding of the American system of government, the implication is clear that the ideal form of world government would be a constitutional monarchy under a restored Stuart monarchy. Led by whom? Probably not the dispossessed sons of Charles should he abdicate the British throne. And given the sudden promotion in Christian media of Prince Charles as the Antichrist, this eventuality seems a formidable prospect.

            Another development in the unfolding drama is a recent report that Israel is pursuing membership in the British Commonwealth.

            "Israel is actively considering joining the British Commonwealth, following an 'unofficial approach' to its ambassador in London from the secretary-general of the 53-member organization.
            "The approach was made earlier this month in a meeting between Ambassador Moshe Raviv and the Commonwealth’s secretary-general, Chief Emeka Anyaoku. The move is being seen as especially significant at a time when Israeli ties with the European Union and other international bodies have been strained over the stalled Middle East peace process. A spokesman for the Commonwealth confirmed that a meeting had taken place between Chief Anyaoku and Mr Raviv, but declined to provide further details.
            "The approach came in the wake of a visit to London earlier this month by Yasser Arafat, during which the Palestinian Authority chief asked Commonwealth officials whether a future Palestinian state could have associate membership of the organization. ("Israel Could Join British Commonwealth, Weekend News Today, Source: MED, Aug 25 , 1997)
            What human agency may be orchestrating the rise and fall of the kingdoms of this world and leading them to fulfill Zechariah's prophesy that Israel will become a burdensome stone for all people? (12:3) Holy Blood, Holy Grail and Bloodline of the Holy Grail are obviously publications of the Prieuré of Sion, the founders of the Knights Templar who were the predecessors of the Rosicrucians and Freemasons. Masonic books are now glutting the market to the end of bringing forth the Merovingian vision of the 'new world order' governed by a "wise and benign spiritual figure, a priest-king" of the pedigree of Jesus Christ. The authors of Holy Blood, Holy Grail are, however, prudent to assure the future serfs of their modern feudal system that the lineal descendant of Jesus -

            "…would not be any more divine, any more intrinsically miraculous, than the rest of us. This attitude would undoubtedly be shared by a great many people today. We suspect it is shared by the Prieuré de Sion as well."

            On 14 January 1998 the World Council of Churches reported the formation of the European "Church and Society Commission." The stated purpose of this commission was to help European churches "monitor and react to developments in institutions such as the European Union and the Council of Europe, and to deal with ethical questions facing European society."

            Ethical questions will encompass: "...peace, justice and the integrity of creation, reconciliation and relations between churches and governments...democratisation, human rights and minorities, European security, and the environment...(and) the specific responsibility of the churches in member states of the European Union for EU policies." (ENI News Service, 14 January 1998)

            The January meeting took place in Strasbourg, the French city which houses the headquarters of the Council of Europe, the European Court of Human Rights, and the European Parliament. It is significant that opening this session was Jacques Stewart, who described the meeting as "historic" and "long awaited."

            The Stewart family are ubiquitous in the movement toward a global government and religion and, as we have seen, appear to be one of the Merovingian bloodlines spearheading the conquest of the Throne of Jerusalem. Notably, in 1992, Prince Michael Stewart of Albany was elected head of the European Council of Princes. Prince Michael is also proclaimed to be the 7th legitimate descendant from the exiled Charles Edward Stuart.

            On the web site of Bloodline Of The Holy Grail is found Sir Laurence Gardner's defense of the Stewart claim to the Thrones of Scotland and England, Sir Laurence himself being no less than "Prior of the Celtic Church's Sacred Kindred of St Columba, Chevalier Labhran de Saint Germain and Presidential Attache to the European Council of Princes." The following is a partial listing of Stewarts who hold influential and powerful positions in the global network moving the world toward political and religious unity.

            Prince Michael Stewart of Albany
            Head of the European Council of Princes

            "In June 1992, HRH Prince Michael James Alexander Stewart, 7th Count of Albany (Scotland) was elected President of the European Council of Princes -- a constitutional advisory body within the European Union. In this regard, he succeeded the Imperial and Royal House of Habsburg Austria, who had retained the office from 1946. The new appointment held significant political implications for Scotland because, in unanimously electing Michael of Albany, some 32 sovereign houses openly proclaimed the continuing de jure Scots monarchy to an international audience – a royal dynasty which, according to British academic historians, had long been extinct." (231)

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 3:23 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Kohana: "....negotiating the transfer of F-16.....to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt....."
            HRH Prince Michael "The LOVE of Capitalism is the root of all kinds of Evil"
            ANY questions?


            "Capitalism must always be the fuel for Democracy, and never in-reverse"
            HRH Prince Michael of The House of David

             
          • libra42 posted at 3:17 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            News item: The evil giant, Walmart will hire 100,000 disabled vets. Wonder what they're really up to.
            [thumbup]

             
          • kohana posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            Disarming Americans, Arming Terrorists

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On January 16, 2013

            While the White House was busy drafting proposals to ban assault rifles, the last of the regulations imposed on Saudi travel to the United States after September 11 were being taken apart. While some government officials were busy planning how to disarm Americans, other officials were negotiating the transfer of F-16s and Abrams tanks to Muslim Brotherhood-run Egypt.

            Obama is unwilling to trust Americans with an AR-15, but is willing to trust a genocidal terrorist group with Abrams tanks and F-16 jets. The F-16’s M61 Vulcan cannon can fire 6,000 rounds a minute and the 146 lb warhead of its HARM missiles can do a lot more than put a few dents in a brick wall. The Abrams’ 120 mm cannon can penetrate 26 inches of steel armor making it a good deal more formidable than even the wildest fantasies of San Francisco liberals about the capabilities of a so-called “assault rifle.”

            While Obama has not been willing to respect the Constitution of the United States and its Bill of Rights, he was willing to arm a terrorist group whose motto is,

            “The Koran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader, Jihad is our path and death in the name of Allah is our goal.”

            If a High School student wrote that on his Facebook page, he would be in police custody within the hour, but an international organization and national government that trades in such rhetoric gets devastating firepower from our government… free of charge.

            In addition to giving the Hezbollah-run government of Lebanon two hundred M113 Armored Personnel Carriers, Obama deliberately turned a blind eye while Al Qaeda and other Islamist rebel groups in Libya received arms shipments from Qatar. Those weapons included a good deal more firepower than anything you can buy at Wal-Mart and later made their way to Mali and Syria. More weapons made their way into the hands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza. Whether any of these weapons were used in the assault on the Benghazi mission is unknown, but entirely possible.

            While the Al Qaeda attackers at Benghazi were heavily armed, with the complicity of the Obama Administration, the Americans had been forced to abide by Libyan gun control laws, because while Obama was willing to bomb a country and help arm its terrorists, he wasn’t willing to allow embassy security personnel to flout firearms law in a city ruled by terrorist militias. Instead the terrorist militia of the Muslim Brotherhood was hired to provide security for the Benghazi mission… with tragic results.

            There has been a great deal of ink spilled about Nancy Lanza’s irresponsibility in keeping guns around the house; but what of Obama’s irresponsibility in sending guns to Mexican drug lords and jets and tanks to Muslim terrorists?

            Based on his track record, Obama believes that it is safe to send weapons to Mexican drug lords, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda terrorists, not to mention the Muslim Brotherhood, but that it’s far too dangerous for an American to own a clip that can hold more than 10 rounds.

            And that means that Obama doesn’t think much of the moral character of Americans, but thinks a great deal of Muslim terrorists.

            This double standard is the defining motif of this administration. A handful of mass shootings is enough to deprive all Americans of their constitutional rights, but the worst act of mass murder of Americans is not enough to deprive Saudi Muslim students looking for a good flight school of their visas.

            Even while Obama and Biden are pushing more background checks for gun owners, Saudi students will undergo fewer background checks. In The Audacity of Hope, Obama vowed to stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. But when the political winds shift in an ugly direction toward gun owners, then Obama can be found blowing on the fan.

            In Obama’s America, only some people can expect the protection of the Bill of Rights. And in a crisis, there are some people’s civil rights that we violate and some people’s rights that we do not.

            There is nothing in the Bill of Rights that says you cannot profile Muslim travelers in airports. To use the same argument as the gun controllers, airports and airplanes didn’t even exist during the time of the Founding Fathers; therefore they couldn’t have possibly foreseen their existence or applied any limitation to any violation of civil rights that can take place in them.

            The murder of 3,000 people did not in any way make it acceptable to single out a Muslim for special attention, despite the laws of probability, logic and common sense. That would be an overreaction. It would mean punishing large numbers of people and that would be unacceptable, no matter how many lives it might save. But depriving millions of Americans of the protection of the 2nd Amendment after several shootings carried out by mentally ill teenagers is, for some reason, not an overreaction.

            It’s not acceptable to single out the relatively small number of Muslims in the United States to save the lives of thousands, but it is imperative that we single out tens of millions of Americans to save a smaller number of people. The public safety logic of this does not hold up according to the numbers, the ethics or the law.

            The Muslim Brotherhood’s arms dealer in the White House is operating under a glaring double standard. Either an act of mass murder is a valid reason for depriving people of their civil rights or it isn’t. Either dangerous weapons should be kept out of the hands of potentially dangerous people, or they shouldn’t. But what he can’t do is what he’s trying to do, which is have it both ways, granting special privileges to Muslims abroad and at home, while depriving Americans of their basic civil rights.

            If President Mohammed Morsi, who only two years ago described America as an enemy, and who has since then tortured and murdered his only people can be trusted with Abrams tanks and F-16s, then surely the American gun owner can be trusted with an AR-15 and a clip that holds more than ten rounds.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 3:04 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            @Kohana: Firstly, thank-you for taking the time to read the -VERIFIABLE-
            part-Revelation, part-Revolution, Divinely-inspired, Final Declaration.
            Secondly, I do not oppose Capitalism. Yet, I must paraphrase The Holy Word of GOD:
            The LOVE of Capitalism is the root of all kinds of Evil.
            Here and now, is neither the time, nor place, for a long, wordy, dissertation..
            Suffice to say, -for now- a verified Confederacy of Evil has placed cunningly
            placed Capitalism, BEFORE ALL. Especially, Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness.
            And, The True and Living Yahweh - GOD, of Columbus, Plymouth Rock, and Our Founding Fathers.

            The Declaration of 2008: http://www.all4webs.com/q/f/love4yahweh
            The Final Declaration: http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            HRH Prince Michael of The House of David: http://www.flicrk.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:50 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:55 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            According to that author, the Founders were all "paranoid libertarians."

            When the NRA was less strident in its opposition to "gun control", the Second Amendment was not under the heavy attack it is today. All the author's historical account makes clear is that, unlike liberals, libertarians and conservatives learn from experience.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:27 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Tell the EPA: Stop the mine that will kill Alaskan salmon

            http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/pebble_mine/?rc=homepage

            The Pebble Mine is no pebble.

            The massive, 2-mile-wide open pit gold and copper mine proposed by international mining conglomerates would sit at the headwaters of Alaska's Bristol Bay, the largest wild salmon spawning ground in the world, and home to nearly a third of all Alaskan salmon.1

            According to the EPA's recent assessment of the project, the mine and its estimated 10 billion tons of waste would bury up to 87 miles of streams and 4,200 acres of wetlands, which would have "significant impacts" on the nearly 40 million salmon that spawn and live in Bristol Bay each year.2

            The EPA and President Obama have the authority under the Clean Water Act to stop Pebble Mine. That is exactly what they should do.

            Tell the EPA: Save the salmon. Stop the Pebble Mine!

            The mine, proposed by British and Canadian mining companies Anglo-American, Rio Tinto, and Northern Dynasty Minerals, would also produce massive toxic tailing ponds, which would be stored forever behind immense earthen dams. Any dam failure would have a "catastrophic" effect on the ecosystem, according to the EPA.

            Even in a best-case scenario, the mine and its industrial activities would spell disaster for Bristol Bay salmon. Impacts like minute increases of copper dust in the water can damage the amazing navigational ability of salmon to return to their spawning streams.

            Protecting Alaska's wild salmon is especially important today, given that the FDA is dangerously close to full-approval of AquaBounty's "frankenfish," farmed GMO Atlantic salmon.3 Bristol Bay is our most important source of sustainable, wild, non-GMO salmon. Salmon fishing is also a half-billion-dollar industry in the region, employing more than 14,000 people -- so it's easy to see why more than 80% of Bristol Bay residents and native peoples are opposed to the Pebble Mine.

            The EPA shouldn't let foreign mining conglomerates devastate this pristine habitat, salmon population, and important part of Alaskans' livelihood. The EPA is currently deciding how to act, and with administrator Lisa Jackson departing and a new Administrator coming in, we need to make sure we make our voices heard.

            Sign the petition now and tell the EPA to block the Pebble Mine.

            1. EPA Can Stop the Pebble Mine From Imperiling Bristol Bay's Wild Salmon Run," Huffington Post, 1/10/13
            2. The Pebble Mine: US EPA Bristol Bay Watershed Assessment Key Findings," EarthWorks
            3. Genetically Modified 'frankenfish' nears FDA approval as debate heats up," ABC News, 12/28/12

             
          • Pete posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            who new posted at 10:33 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            "Does this mean the Founders never intended to have a national Defense Department, but rather a “well regulated” force of citizens whose purpose was to defend the country, as well as individual liberties?"

            Ask them.

             
          • Pete posted at 2:20 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 10:30 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            One minute you're Maxwell Smart and the next you're Snoop Dog....you need to stop getting your mullet in a knot.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:14 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HRH Prince Michael posted at 1:48 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            With all due respect HRHPM, it is not capitalism that is destroying this country, it is Marxist communism and Islam. Plus people who totally disregard our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:05 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            This just came in from the MidEastForum:

            by Efraim Inbar
            The Jerusalem Post
            January 16, 2013

            http://www.meforum.org/3432/replace-abbas

            A-little-noticed Reuters item published January 10 reported that Mahmoud Abbas, the leader of the Palestinian Authority, has rejected a conditional Israeli offer to let Palestinian refugees in war-torn Syria resettle in the West Bank and Gaza, because it would compromise their "right of return" to homes in Israel lost during the 1948 War.
            According to this report, Israel agreed to allow refugees' descendants to resettle in Gaza and the West Bank on the condition they sign a statement waiving the right of return to Israel. Abbas rejected this condition and reportedly said: "It's better they die in Syria than give up their right of return."

            This is nothing new; in the past, Palestinians have rejected attempts to alleviate the conditions of their refugees by resettling. They kept the refugees, and millions of their descendants, as a political card. Moreover, the refugees constitute an important element in their self-propagated image of victimhood and martyrdom.

            Instead of helping his people in distress, Abbas, in the best Palestinian tradition, prefers to cling to the right of return – a demand that no Israeli government is ever going to accept. Moreover, most of the international community rejects this Palestinian demand, understanding that there is broad consensus in Israel against a mass influx of Palestinians that could destroy its Jewish character.

            The Palestinians just missed another opportunity to demonstrate that they can behave in a constructive fashion and be of help to its people. Instead of pragmatic politics we see once again Palestinian adherence to radical goals that continues Palestinian suffering and that produces obstacles to peace.

            Another recent display of such typical Palestinian preference was provided by Abbas, the "moderate," when he addressed his countrymen on January 4. He avoided mentioning the land-for-peace formula, or the establishment of a Palestinian state beside Israel that could bring an end to the conflict and the suffering of his people.

            He did not prepare his people for the need to make concessions for the sake of peace. Instead, Abbas stressed the perennial need to adhere to the path of struggle in order to realize "the dream of return" of the Palestinian refugees and their descendants.

            The only explanation for this behavior is that the Palestinian national movement is very serious about the right of return, despite the attempts by pundits to propose that goodwill and Israeli territorial concessions can bring about a Palestinian flexibility on this issue. Dismissing Palestinian behavior and rhetoric, or belittling its importance in regard to the refugees amounts to putting your head in the sand. Unfortunately, the DNA of the Palestinian national movement contains the unrealistic demand for the right of return. Genetic engineering might be possible to induce some pragmatism, but it may take generations.

            People do not give up easily upon their dreams.

            This is why Abbas met Khaled Mashaal, the Hamas leader, in Cairo on January 10. Despite their fundamental ideological differences, they share the same dream – the destruction of the Jewish state. They may find a way to cooperate in an attempt to attain this objective, even if this could doom prospects for Palestinian statehood.

            This explains why Abbas insists on not acknowledging that Israel is a Jewish state and on denying any links of the Jews to their ancestral homeland.

            Abbas also takes measures to encourage armed struggle against Israel, even if they undermine the state-building efforts of the PA. He condoned at the end of December 2012 several parades of armed members of the Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, the militia of Fatah, in honor of the anniversary of the founding of the Fatah movement.

            Tolerant attitudes toward Palestinian terrorists run counter to the main litmus test of a state – the monopoly over the use of force. Turning a blind eye to the reemergence of armed groups in Palestinian society erodes the main achievement of the PA in recent years – the restoration of law and order following the formal dismantlement of militias.

            The Palestinian armed groups may be tempted to engage in violent clashes with Israel that will turn out to be disastrous for the Palestinian self-determination and peaceful existence.
            While promoting non-violence, Abbas is inciting to violence, in the apparent hope that a third intifada will bring better results than the second.

            Abbas promised negotiations and moderation after the upgrading of the PLO to observer state status by the UN General Assembly in November 2012.

            Instead, we get inflammatory rhetoric and irresponsible, self-defeating policies.
            The Palestinians, like much of the Arab world, continue to be in urgent need of better political leadership to extricate them from pathological self-destructive behavior.

            Efraim Inbar is a professor of political studies at Bar-Ilan University, the director of the Begin-Sadat (BESA) Center for Strategic Studies and a fellow of the Middle East Forum.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:04 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.badeagle.com/2009/08/11/the-aclu-an-ethnic-ponzi-scheme/

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 1:48 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            @Kohana: While the information which you provided is highly unsettling, even more disturbing
            is the "government"-subservient mainstream "Media's" non-coverage of this matter.

            Still, let you heart not be troubled. The Muslim Brotherhood in "America", -STARTING
            with their Pharaoh- is about to get a GODLY-ordained, old-fashioned, AMERICAN
            bu**-whipping.
            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:25 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Muslim Brotherhood Controversy

            On June 13, 2012, Gohmert was one of five members of Congress (including Michele Bachmann, Trent Franks, Tom Rooney, Lynn Westmoreland) to send letters to the Inspectors General[24] of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Justice and the Department of State seeking investigations into the U.S. government’s involvement with the Muslim Brotherhood, an Islamist group that calls for “civilization jihad” against America.

            One of the letters in particular to Ambassador Harold W. Geisel, the Deputy Inspector General of the United States Department of State, used the Department's Deputy Chief of Staff, Huma Abedin, as an example of the undue influence. The letter said that Abedin "has three family members–her late father, her mother and her brother–connected to Muslim Brotherhood operatives and/or organizations," referring to a study by the Center for Security Policy.[25][26][27]

            Republican Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Scott Brown, as well as Bachmann's former campaign chief Ed Rollins defended Abedin against these allegations.[28][29] Speaker of the House John Boehner told reporters: "I don't know Huma. But from everything that I do know of her, she has a sterling character, and I think accusations like this being thrown around are pretty dangerous."[30] Congressman Mike Simpson condemned the letter as a revival of McCarthyism, telling the Idaho Statesman: "Unfortunately, it's not just Michele. The public says, 'There go those Republicans again.' It's a bad reflection on all Republicans. I can't believe the other four members she got to sign the letter with her. Amazing... That doesn't reflect the House Republican Caucus."[31]

            In an editorial on the website Politico Newt Gingrich made a case for investigation into the Muslim Brotherhood, characterizing Gohmert and the rest as the "National Security Five."[32] Columnist Cal Thomas shrugged off the specter of McCarthyism, and said that the real possibility of infiltration by Islamic extremists deserves to be investigated.[33]

            The five members of Congress boast a prominent, bi-partisan list of supporters who have written letters to Speaker Boehner backing the requested investigations by the Inspectors General into Muslim Brotherhood influence inside U.S. government agencies. The letters' signatories include former CIA Director James Woolsey, Former Defense Intelligence Agency Director Lieutenant General Harry E. Soyster and Former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese.[34]

            Responding to her critics, Bachmann said that "The concerns I have and my colleagues have are real," and "We cannot elevate political correctness over national security."[35] Rooney expressed similar concerns: "As a member of the House Armed Services and Intelligence committees, my top priority is ensuring the security of our nation." And that "I regret that Mrs. Abedin has become the media focus of this story, because the intention of the letters was to bring greater attention to the legitimate national security risk."[36]

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louie_Gohmert

            24. ^ "House Members Seek National Security Answers". Congress of the United States. 15 June 2012. Retrieved 23 August 2012.

            25. ^ "Letter to the Deputy Inspector General" (PDF). Congress of the United States. 13 June 2012. Retrieved 19 July 2012.

            26. ^ Cordes, Nancy (19 July 2012). "Michele Bachmann refuses to back down on claims about Huma Abedin". CBS This Morning. Retrieved 19 July 2012. "Bachmann, from Minnesota, and the four other representatives sent letters to top intelligence and security officials last week warning that the Muslim Brotherhood, a global religious Islamic movement whose members have been linked to terrorist groups in the past, may have infiltrated the top levels of U.S. government."

            27. ^ Gaffney, Frank. "Key Findings". The Muslim Brotherhood in America. Center for Security Policy. Retrieved 11 August 2012. "Notably, six Islamist-sympathizers have achieved positions within or advisory roles serving Team Obama: Special Envoy to the Organization of Islamic Cooperation Rashad Hussein; Deputy Chief of Staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton Huma Abedein; Presidential advisor Dalia Mogahed; FBI Citizens Academy graduate Kifah Mustafa; Homeland Security Advisory Committee Member Mohamed Elibiary and Homeland Security Countering Violent Extremism Working Group Member Mohamed Magid."

            28. ^ Rollins, Edward. "Bachmann's former campaign chief -- shame on you, Michele". FoxNews. Retrieved 24 July 2012.

            29. ^ Terkel, Amanda. "John McCain Slams Michele Bachmann's 'Unfounded' Attacks On Huma Abedin, Muslim-Americans". Huffington Post. Retrieved 19 July 2012.

            30. ^ O'Keefe, Ed (19 July 2012). "John Boehner: Accusations against Huma Abedin ‘pretty dangerous’". Washington Post. Retrieved 19 July 2012.

            31. ^ Popkey, Dan (10 August 2012). "Idaho's Rep. Simpson says Michele Bachmann reviving McCarthyism 'outrageous,' tainting all Republicans". Idaho Politics's Blog. Idaho Statesman. Retrieved 11 August 2012. "Seven-term GOP Rep. Mike Simpson said Friday that Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that an extremist Islamic group has infiltrated the U.S. government is a revival of McCarthyism that must be condemned."

            32. ^ Gingrich; Newt (29 July 2012). "In defense of Michele Bachmann, Muslim Brotherhood probes". Opinion Contributor. Politico. Retrieved 11 August 2012. "The underlying driving force behind this desperate desire to stop unpleasant questions is the elite’s fear that an honest discussion of radical Islamism will spin out of control. They fear if Americans fully understood how serious radical Islamists are, they would demand a more confrontational strategy."

            33. ^ Thomas, Cal (29 July 2012). "Suppose Michele Bachmann is right?". The State. Retrieved 11 August 2012. "Like the ghosts of Shakespeare’s Banquo or Dickens’ Jacob Marley, the specter of the late commie-hunting congressman from Wisconsin, Joseph McCarthy, will always be with us. It is summoned up today, by some on the left, who use it as a tool to thwart legitimate questions about people and ideologies that seek to destroy America."

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            35. ^ "Bachmann shuns 'political correctness'". United Press International. 31 July 2012. Retrieved 11 August 2012. "While in Minnesota to observe work on the new St. Croix River bridge, Bachmann brushed off backlash over her speculation that U.S. Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Ind., and Huma Abedin, deputy chief of staff for Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, have ties to the Muslim Brotherhood."

            36. ^ Opinion Staff (20 July 2012). "Is Rep. Tom Rooney using McCarthy tactics on Muslim Brotherhood?". Palm Beach Post. Retrieved 18 August 2012. "Rep. Rooney said he was concerned about the Muslim Brotherhood’s involvement in the 2009 shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, in which a Muslim Army officer murdered 13 people."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:35 pm on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana- From your cut and paste article from the neoconservative "American Thinker":

            - "The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) characterizes its mission as working to "defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in the country by the Constitution and the laws of the United States."
            - "Essentially, an organization that ostensibly exists to protect the civil liberties of Americans, the ACLU is now controlled by Islamists and pushing CAIR's talking points on the "unfair" targeting of Muslims."

            IABD- The ACLU has also defended the KKK, Nazis, Rush Limbaugh,Communism, fascist totalitarianism and the NRA.
            * "In 1996, Biden criticized the NRA and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) for their objections to an anti-terrorism bill that included expanded wiretaps and FBI access to financial records.
            “They’re a minority, no matter how you add it up,” he said of the NRA and the ACLU, according to the Chicago Tribune."____________________________________________________

            People & Events: The American Civil Liberties Union

            When the state of Tennessee passed a law making it a crime to teach Darwin's theory of evolution in public schools, Roger Baldwin saw it as an opportunity. Baldwin was executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union, a fledgling organization devoted to individual rights.

            "In 1925 the ACLU consisted of a handful of individuals who would meet essentially in one room in New York," says President Nadine Strossen. "And they were really doing something that had never been done in American history, which was suggesting that there should be individual rights that would be enforceable against government policies that were supported even by broad majorities of the American public."

            "From the very beginning the ACLU advocated freedom of speech for ideas from the most extreme left such as anarchists and socialists, to the most extreme right including the Ku Klux Klan, Henry Ford, and others who would now be considered more toward the Fascist end of the spectrum."

            But in 1925 few Americans had heard of the ACLU. Roger Baldwin wanted to change that. So when Tennessee passed the first anti-evolution law in history, he seized the opportunity to make a case for civil liberty.

            The ACLU placed an ad in all the major Tennessee newspapers: "We are looking for a Tennessee teacher who is willing to accept our services in testing this law in the courts. Our lawyers think a friendly test case can be arranged without costing a teacher his or her job. ...All we need now is a willing client." Their willing client turned out to be John Thomas Scopes. But his trial would not unfold as the ACLU had expected.

            John Scopes volunteered to become the ACLU's "willing client" because the town fathers of Dayton, Tennessee, after conferring in the town drugstore, asked him. Dayton was in an economic slump and they hoped the trial would create so much publicity that people would fill the hotels, eat in the restaurants, and help boost the local economy.

            Baldwin and his ACLU colleagues were not advocating for or against religion. Neither were they out to support Darwin's theory of evolution. They were supporting what Strossen calls "an abstract principle, a neutral principle of tolerance." They wanted a low-key team to defend John Scopes. Instead they got an all-out battle over science and religion.

            The battle lines were drawn when William Jennings Bryan volunteered to lead the team that would prosecute Scopes. Chicago attorney Clarence Darrow had always wanted to debate Bryan over his religious beliefs. He volunteered to join the defense team, waiving his usual high fee. The Scopes trial was quickly becoming a media circus.

            Though Darrow was the celebrity, ACLU attorney Arthur Garfield Hayes was the mastermind. He and Darrow conceived a two-part strategy for the trial. Their first goal was to convince Judge John T. Raulston to overturn the anti-evolution law. If that failed, they planned to demonstrate the logic and the truth of evolution. The judge disappointed them on both counts, upholding the law and ruling that the scientific testimony was irrelevant to the case.

            The ACLU lost the Scopes trial, but gained a national reputation. In 1926 Darrow and the ACLU appealed the case before the Tennessee Supreme Court. The court overturned John Scopes' conviction, but kept the anti-evolution law on the books. However, it was a toothless law by then, and never again enforced.

            Over the next sixty years, new laws restricting the teaching of evolution were passed by several states. One by one the courts overturned them. Over that same period, the ACLU grew in power and influence. Today, it continues its controversial role in American society as defender of the "neutral principal of tolerance" and free speech for all.

            www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/monkeytrial/peopleevents/p_aclu.html

             
          • kohana posted at 11:23 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            Of course, we have all this help in implementing shira.

            January 16, 2013
            Über-Stealth Jihad in America
            By Janet Levy

            In June 2012, the "National Security 5" -- five members of Congress led by Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) -- called attention to U.S. government infiltration by Muslim Brotherhood (MB) operatives. Based on disturbing information from court evidence and documents, correspondence, media reports, congressional briefings, and public statements, they found that individuals with questionable loyalty to the United States held high-level security clearances and worked in key national security positions. Tragically for the security of the United States and the safety of its citizens, these five earnest members of Congress, armed with ample evidence, were roundly criticized by both Republicans and Democrats, and their request for investigations were ignored.

            The five -- Bachmann, Trent Franks (R-Arizona), Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), Tom Rooney (R-Florida), and Lynn Westmoreland (R-Georgia) -- had sent letters to the inspectors general of the Departments of State, Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security, and to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence. They identified specific individuals, organizational affiliations, and activities of concern conducted by Muslim Brotherhood operatives employed in various capacities in the U.S. government. They cited links to the much-publicized Muslim Brotherhood mission statement that has called its work in America "a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within."

            All was ignored, despite the release five years earlier by the U.S. government itself of a list of several Muslim Brotherhood front organizations and their members across the United States, 300 in all, named as "unindicted co-conspirators" uncovered during the terrorism financing trial of the Holy Land Foundation, the largest such trial in U.S. history. The inside influence operation in America is extensive and goes far beyond the federal government to include Islamists posing as patriots and becoming part of the Tea Party movement, Islamists infiltrating the 9/11 Truther Movement, and Islamists becoming part of the fight for "civil liberties" through organizations like the ACLU, to name just a few.

            Muslim Brotherhood in America
            Established in 1928, four years after Kemal Ataturk dismantled the Ottoman Caliphate, the Muslim Brotherhood today has grown into the world's oldest and largest Islamist movement. Its goal: to establish a global Islamic caliphate or government under sharia, or Islamic doctrine. It seeks to dismantle all non-Islamic governments on earth and supports terrorism against the West and Israel.

            The Muslim Brotherhood has spawned al-Qaeda, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and various worldwide terrorist groups. In the 1950s, it established a beachhead in the United States and today has over 5,000 front organizations from coast to coast, according to a former FBI agent and designated "Subject Matter Expert" on the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamic doctrine.

            "The Project," written in 1982 and discovered during a raid of the home of one of the organization's international leaders by Swiss authorities following 9/11, is a multi-phased, long-term master plan for the cultural invasion of the West. The discovery of two documents in 2001 and 2004 provided, respectively, evidence of an actual MB plot for the cultural invasion and Islamic domination of the West and a general strategy for the takeover of America.

            The Holy Land Foundation trial in 2007 provided for release of the incriminating and significant document "An Explanatory Memorandum for the General Strategic Goal for the Brotherhood in North America." Written by a senior Hamas leader in the United States in 1987, it was discovered during a 2004 FBI raid of a Virginia house. It outlines a plan of stealth jihad and gradual takeover and imposition of sharia. It also cites explicit strategies, including but not limited to subversion of American organizations, shutting down of free speech, control of the language to exclude accurate descriptions of jihadist activities, ensuring that non-Muslims don't study Islamic doctrine, forcing sharia compliance, and claiming victimization.

            Tea Party Movement
            In December 2010, Will Coley, director of Muslims for Liberty -- a group that decries American exceptionalism, accuses the United States of war crimes, and espouses ostensibly anti-Israel ideology -- joined the Knoxville Tea Party. Coley had been involved with the Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated Muslim Student Association at the University of Central Florida in Valencia, where he converted to Islam. His stated goal in joining the Tea Party was to educate people about Islam and sharia doctrine and counter "misinformation" and "Islamophobia." But his disingenuous statements and faulty interpretations of Islamic doctrine appeared to suggest otherwise.

            In Tennessee, Coley expressed concern about proposed legislation to prohibit sharia in the state. According to a Tennessee Tea Party activist, Coley stated that he was working with a local Islamic school to eliminate sharia prohibitions from the Tennessee statute. He characterized the legislation as a freedom-of-religion issue and claimed that it was indicative of the hatred conservatives feel toward Muslims.

            He gave local talks promoting the idea that sharia doctrine is compatible with the U.S. Constitution and went so far as to falsely proclaim that Islamic legal theory influenced American law. Coley obfuscated the truth about sharia, a comprehensive Islamic doctrine that controls every aspect of life and must be imposed on Muslims and non-Muslims alike. Sharia mandates gender apartheid, religious apartheid, cruel punishments, the denial of free speech and due process, and many other such incompatibilities with American constitutional law.

            ACLU
            The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) characterizes its mission as working to "defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in the country by the Constitution and the laws of the United States." In reality, the ACLU has defended known terrorists, including al-Qaeda operatives, hampered law enforcement efforts and intelligence gathering on terrorists, and fought detainment policies for enemy combatants. It was indeed curious that as an alleged champion of free speech, the civil rights organization failed to rail against White House efforts to remove the film Innocence of Muslims from YouTube following the attack against U.S. personnel in Benghazi this past September.

            Of greater significance, Investors Business Daily revealed in a September 26, 2012 online editorial that the ACLU national executive staff now comprises eight Muslims; one even heads its National Security Project. The editorial quotes Steven Emerson, Islamic terrorism expert and director of the Investigative Project on Terrorism, who says, "The ACLU was founded on the basis that there shouldn't be any blasphemy laws. Yet in the last 10 years, they've appointed members of the Muslim Brotherhood who believe in blasphemy laws."
            According to the article, one staffer, attorney Jameel Jaffer, helped raise $130,000 for CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the Hamas terrorist funding trial, and successfully sued to restore the visa of Tariq Ramadan, grandson of the Muslim Brotherhood's founder, Hassan al Banna. Jaffer is also dedicated to releasing the frozen assets of terrorist front groups and ending the U.S. drone program that tracks and kills jihadists. Essentially, an organization that ostensibly exists to protect the civil liberties of Americans, the ACLU is now controlled by Islamists and pushing CAIR's talking points on the "unfair" targeting of Muslims.

            9-11 Truthers
            In late 2012, MD Rabbi Alam, unsuccessful Democrat nominee for Missouri secretary of state, founded the American Muslim Political Action Committee (AMPAC). Its expressed goals were to get Muslims elected to public office and encourage greater Muslim involvement in the American political system. Alam has publicly supported imprisoned Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) leader Sami Al-Arian, claiming Al-Arian was "falsely accused and victimized by the war on terror" even though Al-Arian confessed to terror-related charges.
            Some of Alam's close associates are supporters of Viva Palestina, an organization with close ties to Hamas and PIJ. Alam has publicly speculated about Jewish involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks, even suggesting that no Jews died on 9/11 and that the war on terror is a hoax that has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. As part of the group's efforts, Alam and others at AMPAC are dedicated to disproving the official government story on 9/11 and demonstrating that Muslims are, in fact, the true victims of 9/11, deserving special protections.

            A November 28, 2012 AMPAC meeting was posted at Ustream TV, in which members are encouraged to join the 9/11 Truther Movement to question the integrity of the 9/11 narrative. In the video, AMPAC members agree on the importance of their goal to erase Muslim responsibility for 9/11. Alam can be heard saying, "We have an opportunity to be part of this movement; we should all join. Don't bring up AMPAC. We join but give them ownership. They don't know why people are joining. Make friends and stay focused. There is a way to stretch the truth."

            Also heard on the video speaking to the group via telephone is Muslim convert and radio talk show host Kevin James Barrett, listed by the Anti-Defamation League as one of the leading promoters of anti-Semitic 9/11 conspiracy theories. Barrett, who spouts the usual Jewish blood libels, has asserted that the United States and Israel have pushed a genocidal war on Islam and targeted Muslims worldwide. In the video, he claims to have contact with 9/11 Truthers and Nation of Islam (NOI) members. Barrett recommends that the group focus on involving African-Americans and notes that NOI is "one of the best organized groups out there." He refers to Louis Farrakhan and his close relationship with Imam Siraj Wahhaj, a radical Islamist member of CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing who advocates the replacement of the U.S. government with an Islamic caliphate under sharia.

            The Muslim Brotherhood has long been engaged in subversive influence operations at the highest levels of our government, according to The Muslim Brotherhood in America, the comprehensive course developed by Frank Gaffney, president of the Center for Security Policy. This reality, sounded in the alarm by the National Security 5, is supported by the organization's own fairly recently discovered planning documents written decades ago. Clearly, the documented strategies and tactics of the Muslim Brotherhood are firmly in place, and their tentacles now reach far beyond the federal government into myriad unlikely facets of American society. No organization, special interest group, or governing body can expect to be immune to the threat posed by this seemingly omnipresent, subversive organization.

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          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:43 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013 in response to Bronco

            HTC- "Clearly you're not a man of honor who can admit his mistakes."

            IABD- Mr.H, are you as Flathead Valley's resident NRA mob psychologist and infamous chickenhawk, suddenly willing to become a man of honor and admit your mistakes?

            http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/senate_weapons/?p=senate_weapons&r=6994701&id=53305-6647618-AFGSKCx

             
          • kohana posted at 11:16 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            24 years ago, I spent a month in UK, most of it in Bristol. Look what is taking over the UK now.

            Muslim Religious Police Begin Enforcing Islamic Law in London (VIDEO)

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On January 16, 2013

            There are already 85 Sharia councils operating in the UK. 40% of UK Muslims have been polled as saying that they want Islamic law. 1/3 of young UK Muslims believe a Muslim who converts to another religion should be executed.

            http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-religious-police-begin-enforcing-islamic-law-in-london-video/print/

            That makes what you’re seeing now inevitable. For now the so-called Muslim Patrol is resorting to petty bullying, but in Muslim countries that bullying invariably escalates to physical violence, including acid attacks.

            The goal is to control the streets and to intimidate anyone venturing into an area that Muslims consider their own into recognizing that control. That is how Islamic law takes hold.
            In the videos, the ‘Muslim Patrol’ is heard to say, “Alcohol banned. This is a Muslim area. Muslims patrol the area.”

            One young woman, when confronted by the patrol, states, “I am appalled, this is Great Britain”, to which the authors of the video are heard to remark, “We don’t care. It’s not so Great Britain”.

            The YouTube account for Muslim Patrol features a Sharia for the UK poster which is associated with Anjem Choudary, the Islamist who recently declared Sharia Zones in UK Cities. It is however unknown whether this is his project or not.

            The Archbishop of Canterbury was embroiled in a fierce political and religious row last night after he called for aspects of Islamic sharia law to be adopted in Britain.

            The Archbishop provoked the row by saying Britain had to “face up to the fact” that some citizens did not relate to this country’s legal system and argued that officially sanctioning sharia law would improve community relations.

            Community relations sure look good on this video.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1578017/Adopt-sharia-law-in-Britain-says-the-Archbishop-of-Canterbury-Dr-Rowan-Williams.html

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:55 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            "I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses."---The NRA President at the time, Karl T. Frederick, a 1920 Olympic gold-medal winner for marksmanship who became a lawyer, praised the new state gun controls in Congress.

            http://www.salon.com/2013/01/14/the_nra_once_supported_gun_control/

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:48 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Rob, the solution is armed guards in our schools. Come to think of it, we need armed guards in movie theaters, too. Not to mention armed guards in our shopping malls...and armed guards at our workplaces. Instead of gun-control, we need more armed guards everywhere! Because without our 2nd Amendment freedoms, we might be living in a police state.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:43 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:07 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Clearly you're not a man of honor who can admit his mistakes.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:42 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: So, are you 2 into Background Checks, Magazine Size Limits, ID for the Purchase of Ammo, etc.?

            HTC: Once we've won the "war on drugs" (good luck with that), we can discuss gun control. The rational man realizes that such programs are doomed to fail, criminalize basically good people, cost incredible amounts of money and end up only further limiting personal liberty.

            Why would I advocate or support more of that nonsense?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:38 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:06 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013
            Pete posted at 9:53 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Try to imagine how the US constitution would have been worded had there been a neutron bomb in our arsenal at the time. If we can all pass the NRA screening, should we not have the right to purchase 'pocket nukes" for our personal defense and sporting purposes?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_QFXGxw6Tk

             
          • who new posted at 10:33 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Unambiguous, no question what is intended here.

            Pete: (quoting Elbridge Gerry) "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

            Does this mean the Founders never intended to have a national Defense Department, but rather a “well regulated” force of citizens whose purpose was to defend the country, as well as individual liberties?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:30 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Pete posted at 9:53 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.
            Posts: 2129

            Rob123 posted at 3:05 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013
            "Tom wasn't off by much......"
            You're starting to sound like our resident Maxwell Smart. I guess it depends on your definition of "much" huh?

            FU

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:14 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            So, are you 2 into Background Checks, Magazine Size Limits, ID for the Purchase of Ammo, etc.?

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:07 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: Taking your statements together, either you're lying now or you're a leftie who's mocking his right-wing brother and have been lying every time you've insisted that you're not a leftie.
            ---------------
            Ah, another propaganda trick. Limiting the choices.
            And you insist you're not a Neo Con. Bwahahaha!
            Since when does one need to be a leftie to mock right-wingers?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:06 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            label changes: "Assault rifle" really means any semi-auto weapon. "Extended magazine" - any magazine holding more than 10 rounds. (7 in N.Y.) All others must be disposed of, or sold out of state. Now, if any of Emperor/King Obama's decrees go unchallenged, they will become law. They will be little victories, chipping away at the Liberty and Freedoms established by our Constitution. As most of us know, this will do just about nothing to stop or even slow down "gun violence". In that regard, all due humor and sarcasm is warranted for our Buttfirst Chairman Amabo. But, realize this man is the worst danger our country has faced since the Civil war. Also - In spite of Joe Buffoon Biden's ineptitude and apparent senility, El Presidente, Chairman Obama will make good use of him as a comedic distraction. It is heartening to hear of Sheriffs and states that will not enforce IL Duce Obama's unconstitutional decrees. I would say, stand firm, buy ammunition, remain vigilant. More trouble is on the way.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:53 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 3:05 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            "Tom wasn't off by much......"

            You're starting to sound like our resident Maxwell Smart. I guess it depends on your definition of "much" huh?

            "A free people ought to be armed."
            - George Washington

            "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
            - George Washington

            "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
            - Benjamin Franklin

            "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
            - Thomas Jefferson

            "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
            - Thomas Jefferson

            "The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
            - Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)

            "A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

            "The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
            - Thomas Jefferson

            "On every occasion [of Constitutional interpretation] let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying [to force] what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, [instead let us] conform to the probable one in which it was passed."
            - Thomas Jefferson

            "I enclose you a list of the killed, wounded, and captives of the enemy from the commencement of hostilities at Lexington in April, 1775, until November, 1777, since which there has been no event of any consequence ... I think that upon the whole it has been about one half the number lost by them, in some instances more, but in others less. This difference is ascribed to our superiority in taking aim when we fire; every soldier in our army having been intimate with his gun from his infancy."
            - Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Giovanni Fabbroni, June 8, 1778

            "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
            - John Adams

            "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
            - George Mason

            "I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians."
            - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

            "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
            - Noah Webster

            "The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
            - Noah Webster

            "A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."
            - James Madison

            "Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms."
            - James Madison

            "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country."
            - James Madison

            "The ultimate authority resides in the people alone."
            - James Madison

            "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
            - William Pitt

            "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them."
            - Richard Henry Lee

            "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
            - Richard Henry Lee

            "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
            - Patrick Henry

            "This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty.... The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction."
            - St. George Tucker

            "... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
            - Thomas Paine

            "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
            - Samuel Adams

            "The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
            - Joseph Story

            "What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."
            - Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts

            " ... for it is a truth, which the experience of all ages has attested, that the people are commonly most in danger when the means of insuring their rights are in the possession of those of whom they entertain the least suspicion."
            - Alexander Hamilton

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:06 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: Tom wasn't off by much......the 2nd Amendment certainly had some "Slave State" concerns, but it was more about Protestants defending themselves from Catholics, back across the pond and the 'what if' by our founding fathers, who were mainly Protestants and very aware of the Religious Wars and Blue Bloods regaining Control of their New Republic.

            HTC: While the right to own and bear arms has a long history and has been valued for many different reasons at different times in history, the vast majority of serious scholars of U.S. history agree that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment was to ensure that the people had the means to keep their new government from becoming their next oppressor.

            The Founders on the Second Amendment, the right to arms and liberty:

            "I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." -- George Mason, Co-author of the Second Amendment during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

            "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves …" -- Richard Henry Lee, writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic, Letter XVIII, May, 1788.

            "The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full posession of them." - Zachariah Johnson, Elliot's Debates, vol. 3 "The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution."

            "… the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms" -- Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, Pg. 2, Col. 2, Article on the Bill of Rights

            "And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …" -- Samuel Adams, quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State". Notice that the "rights of Conscience", now egregiously violated by ObamaCare's demand that people of faith pay for others' contraception and abortion, was such an important part of the First Amendment that Samual Adams mentioned it explicitly.

            "Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." -- George Washington, First President of the United States

            "The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them." -- Thomas Paine

            "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them." -- Richard Henry Lee, American Statesman, 1788

            "The great object is that every man be armed." and "Everyone who is able may have a gun." -- Patrick Henry

            "Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" -- Patrick Henry

            "Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson, Third President of the United States

            "The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that … it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; … " -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Justice John Cartwright, June 5, 1824. ME 16:45.

            "The best we can help for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." -- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8

            "The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution."
            Thomas Jefferson
            Third President of the United States

            "There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. " -- Noah Webster, American Lexicographer. No words better describe today's Democratic Party.

            "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.", Edmund Burke, British Statesman, 1784

            "What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." -- Thomas Jefferson to James Madison

            "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

            And now a few words from those on the left:

            "Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." -- Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

            "This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -- Adolph Hitler, Chancellor, Germany, 1933

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            So, remember: An armed man is a citizen. A disarmed man is a subject.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: Thank you all so much. I made a buttload on S&W stock.

            Bronco: That WAS leftist propaganda....sucker.

            Bronco: Making fun of my Right Wing brother who wanted me to buy SWHC at 10.70.

            HTC: That's the best story you could come up with? You need to spend more time studying your guy Barack Obama if you hope to become a more accomplished liar.

            Taking your statements together, either you're lying now or you're a leftie who's mocking his right-wing brother and have been lying every time you've insisted that you're not a leftie.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:22 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            We don't need a ban on 'assault' weapons. What we need is a ban on assault idiots, otherwise known as Democrats. All of my life I've had to watch these cretins attack one Constitutional right and protection after another. If they really wanted a just society, they'd leave us alone.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            who new posted at 1:09 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013

            Uncle Remus is filled with truisms. I'll bet your spell check went nuts. My grandmother had the accent down pat.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:05 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Pete posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.
            Posts: 2128
            Rob123 posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013
            "Tom's not the sharpest tack is he? Not only is his interpretation of history a joke...."

            Tom wasn't off by much......the 2nd Amendment certainly had some "Slave State" concerns, but it was more about Protestants defending themselves from Catholics, back across the pond and the 'what if' by our founding fathers, who were mainly Protestants and very aware of the Religious Wars and Blue Bloods regaining Control of their New Republic.

            "Whereas the late King James the Second by the Assistance of diverse evill Councellors Judges and Ministers imployed by him did endeavour to subvert and extirpate the Protestant Religion and the Lawes and Liberties of this Kingdome (list of grievances including) ... by causing severall good Subjects being Protestants to be disarmed at the same time when Papists were both Armed and Imployed contrary to Law, (Recital regarding the change of monarch) ... thereupon the said Lords Spirituall and Temporall and Commons pursuant to their respective Letters and Elections being now assembled in a full and free Representative of this Nation takeing into their most serious Consideration the best meanes for attaining the Ends aforesaid Doe in the first place (as their Auncestors in like Case have usually done) for the Vindicating and Asserting their ancient Rights and Liberties, Declare (list of rights including) ... That the Subjects which are Protestants may have Arms for their Defence suitable to their Conditions and as allowed by Law.[13]
            The historical link between the English Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment, which both codify an existing right and do not create a new one, has been acknowledged by the U.S. Supreme Court."

             
          • who new posted at 1:09 am on Wed, Jan 16, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            A little more Uncle Remus-

            Lazy fokes’ stummucks don’t git tired.

            Mighty po’ bee dat don’t make mo’ honey dan he want.

            Rooster makes mo’ racket dan de hin w’at lay de aig.

            Licker talks mighty loud w’en it git loose fum de jug.

            Youk’n hide de fier, but w’at you gwine do wid de smoke?

            Watch out w’en you’er gittin all you want. Fattenin’ hogs ain’t in luck.

            (spell-check went berserk.)

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:36 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/senate_weapons/?p=senate_weapons&r=6994701&id=53305-6647618-AFGSKCx

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            IABD- Instead of attempting to be the Flathead Valley's resident NRA mob psychologist, please read:

            NRA "Solutions" Are Straight Out of Hollywood

            Rachel Marsden

            After a tragedy like the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Newtown, Conn., the injection of anything short of seriousness into the subsequent public discourse about guns is touchy. But last week, the National Rifle Association blasted numerous rounds into that particular barrier with NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre's mouth.

            The organization's hysteric solution to gun violence in America is to put designated sitting ducks -- er, "armed police officers" -- in every American school. Apparently the secret is now out that such places are "gun-free," and LaPierre says that "(gun-free school zones) tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk."

            Why don't school shootings happen every day, then? Probably because "insane killers" aren't bestowed with the logical thought processes attributed to them by the NRA chief. That's why they are, by definition, insane.

            Similarly, why does every scenario proposed by the NRA always amount to something straight out of a Sylvester Stallone movie? Here are a few examples:

            -- A burglar enters your home with a gun. Most likely he just wants to steal your stuff and take off. The fact that he's already desperate enough to have committed a burglary means that he's hard up for cash or goods at best, unstable at worst. So, best to get your gun, point it at the intruder and pull the trigger, right? NO!

            While that might sound easy, he still has the advantage -- unless you're a legitimate psychopath yourself. Brigadier Gen. S.L.A Marshall pegged the firing rate among World War II combat soldiers at only 15 percent to 20 percent of maximum rate, even when the enemy was exposed -- meaning that soldiers found killing to be prohibitively counterintuitive and wouldn't kill the enemy despite having a clear shot. So if you think that you'd just blow the guy away like in the movies, you're either lacking in self-awareness, or you're precisely the kind of person who should not be unilaterally meting out justice as you see fit.

            -- Someone runs up to you in a parking lot, holds up a gun and tells you to give him your money. The NRA would have you pull out your own gun and shoot him. Problem solved, right? NO!

            The perpetrator has two significant advantages over the average person with a gun: He's first, and he's crazy. And if he sees the slightest hint that you're packing a gun, you're as good as dead. In reality, if he's close enough to want to take something from you, then he's close enough for you to use an alternative to a firearm. You'd be better off with one of these new high-tech 10 percent pepper gel devices made in Switzerland. I carry one myself and have never felt that a gun would make me any safer. At a deployment speed of 110 miles per hour (using airbag technology), and with an effective distance of 13 feet and a radius of about 2 feet, the gel can disable the perpetrator without killing him -- all before he figures out what that gizmo is in your hand. Besides, you're psychologically more likely to use it without hesitating, knowing that it won't kill the guy.

            -- A gunman walks into a shopping center and opens fire with an assault weapon. In NRA-land, everyone would have a gun and just take the guy out. So if there were 100 people with guns present -- the NRA's dream -- every single bullet would slice through the bad guy and everyone would just continue on with their business. More realistically, everyone would be firing bullets into each other, into storefronts, into the guy dressed up in an animal costume handing out promotional flyers.

            Indeed, there are people who have the skills, training, expertise, physical and mental rigor, discipline and psychological training to perform the sort of heroism that the NRA likes to attribute to anyone capable of holding a firearm. Those people are called snipers, and even among military members, they are uniquely qualified for their roles. Their specific psychological training to overcome the natural human aversion to killing at close range is what gave the British the advantage against the Argentineans in the Falklands War. People who believe themselves to be similarly capable probably also think that they can beat Michael Phelps in the pool.

            We need sensible, effective, intelligent solutions, not gratuitously self-serving agenda-pushing. Because the more out of hand things get, the greater the risk of reaching the point of total crackdown on freedom.

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:28 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            @ HTC and Pete: Bronco posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.
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            Making fun of my Right Wing brother who wanted me to buy SWHC at 10.70. He said he got 500 shares because gun sales and stocks "really go up fter a shootin'." Now it's at 8.30

             
          • kohana posted at 1:38 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Pierre posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            An' when de fox grab em, he was de tar baby!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:29 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: New Video Game Allows Players to Murder NRA President

            HTC: More evidence that the 'tolerant' and 'peace-loving' left are just as big a hypocritical fraud as the "religion of peace" (Islam.)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:19 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: Tom's not the sharpest tack is he?

            HTC: No, but he's definitely faster than Rob.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:16 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            You must think we're as stupid as you are. Think again.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAFAywYZK-M&feature=youtu.be

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:45 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            To preserve the 2nd amendment for all peaceful law-abiding citizens, a mandatory psychiatric evaluation requirement for all firearms purchases and ownership should be considered. If a person has never committed a crime or displayed mental instability before does not mean they are responsible enough to handle or possess a firearm. The NRA certainly is incapable of discerning who is competent. Does anyone believe that HTC's aggressive narcissistic personality disorder be an exemption?

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:24 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            Frank: Nowadays, being anti-American is cool. Just bring some potato salad for the pot luck and all is forgiven. Or, if you are Al “Inconvenient Truth” Gore, just spend enough of your ill-gotten loot on progressive causes, and no one will even think to ask why you sold your cable network to oil-rich, repressive Qatar.

            Speaking of "inconvenient truth", Gore should read YOUR column.

             
          • Pierre posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pierre Posts: 137

            An' ole' Brer' Rabbit...... he set in de bushes...... watch an' he wait........ lay low an' he don' say nuffin.

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            HTC: ...........and, when the going gets tough, the Democrats get going on nonsolutions which will rally their ignorant base.

            For sure.

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:05 pm on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            Pete's early morning posts. [thumbup]

             
          • Pete posted at 11:50 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:41 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            [beam]

             
          • Pete posted at 11:40 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Des Moines Register publishes gun-ban column advocating deadly violence against NRA, GOP leaders

            Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/01/02/liberal-ex-columnist-death-threats-published-in-des-moines-register/#ixzz2I4SmbE7k

             
          • Pete posted at 11:39 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            New Video Game Allows Players to Murder NRA President

            http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2013/01/15/new-video-game-allows-user-to-shoot-nra-president-in-the-head-n1489825

             
          • Pete posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            Tom's not the sharpest tack is he? Not only is his interpretation of history a joke, but he's also managed to bite his own argument in the backside by showing that unarmed people are subject to enslavement. (Imagine that!!!?)

            Bronco has some stock he'd like to sell you. [beam]

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 11:17 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Jenny Doe: "Time Warner cable already dropped the channel.

            Time Warner Inc. OWNS -among countless others "Media" properties- the channel.
            A truly monstrous, monopolizing, and Godless corporation. Their days, are numbered.


            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:11 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/14/1441321/yeager-gun-permit/

            Firearms Training CEO, Who Threatened To ‘Start Killing People’ Over Gun Debate, Loses Gun Permit
            By Rebecca Leber on Jan 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm

            James Yeager, CEO of Tennessee-based Tactical Response, delivered a frightening rant last week on YouTube, declaring that gun owners “load your damn mags” and “get ready to fight,” because if gun violence prevention “goes one inch further, I’m going to start killing people.” His followup video was not any better: Yeager clarified he does not “condone anyone committing any kind of felonies, up to and including aggravated assaults and murders, unless it’s necessary. Right now, it’s not necessary.” There was no retraction.
            As a result, Yeager has had his handgun permit suspended because of “material likelihood of risk of harm to the public.” Tennessee Department of Saftey and Homeland Security Commissioner Bill Gibbons said, “Mr. Yeager’s comments were irresponsible, dangerous, and deserved our immediate attention. Due to our concern, as well as that of law enforcement, his handgun permit was suspended immediately.”

             
          • Pete posted at 11:09 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            Yea sure.....egg on your face. So what'd you do flag my post because I called you a moron?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            This should go over real well! But hey, why not consider the 'Original Intent' as we experience 90+ murders a day in the olde USA.
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            The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery
            Tuesday, 15 January 2013 09:35 Tom Hartmann

            The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.
            In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.
            In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.
            As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."
            It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.
            Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 - including physicians and ministers - had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.
            And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.
            By the time the Constitution was ratified, hundreds of substantial slave uprisings had occurred across the South. Blacks outnumbered whites in large areas, and the state militias were used to both prevent and to put down slave uprisings. As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.
            If the anti-slavery folks in the North had figured out a way to disband - or even move out of the state - those southern militias, the police state of the South would collapse. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.
            These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned over 300 slaves) and the southern Christian evangelical, Patrick Henry (who opposed slavery on principle, but also opposed freeing slaves).
            Their main concern was that Article 1, Section 8 of the newly-proposed Constitution, which gave the federal government the power to raise and supervise a militia, could also allow that federal militia to subsume their state militias and change them from slavery-enforcing institutions into something that could even, one day, free the slaves.
            This was not an imagined threat. Famously, 12 years earlier, during the lead-up to the Revolutionary War, Lord Dunsmore offered freedom to slaves who could escape and join his forces. "Liberty to Slaves" was stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. During the War, British General Henry Clinton extended the practice in 1779. And numerous freed slaves served in General Washington's army.
            Thus, southern legislators and plantation owners lived not just in fear of their own slaves rebelling, but also in fear that their slaves could be emancipated through military service.
            At the ratifying convention in Virginia in 1788, Henry laid it out:
            "Let me here call your attention to that part [Article 1, Section 8 of the proposed Constitution] which gives the Congress power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States. . . .
            "By this, sir, you see that their control over our last and best defence is unlimited. If they neglect or refuse to discipline or arm our militia, they will be useless: the states can do neither . . . this power being exclusively given to Congress. The power of appointing officers over men not disciplined or armed is ridiculous; so that this pretended little remains of power left to the states may, at the pleasure of Congress, be rendered nugatory."
            George Mason expressed a similar fear:
            "The militia may be here destroyed by that method which has been practised in other parts of the world before; that is, by rendering them useless, by disarming them. Under various pretences, Congress may neglect to provide for arming and disciplining the militia; and the state governments cannot do it, for Congress has an exclusive right to arm them [under this proposed Constitution] . . . "
            Henry then bluntly laid it out:
            "If the country be invaded, a state may go to war, but cannot suppress [slave] insurrections [under this new Constitution]. If there should happen an insurrection of slaves, the country cannot be said to be invaded. They cannot, therefore, suppress it without the interposition of Congress . . . . Congress, and Congress only [under this new Constitution], can call forth the militia."
            And why was that such a concern for Patrick Henry?
            "In this state," he said, "there are two hundred and thirty-six thousand blacks, and there are many in several other states. But there are few or none in the Northern States. . . . May Congress not say, that every black man must fight? Did we not see a little of this last war? We were not so hard pushed as to make emancipation general; but acts of Assembly passed that every slave who would go to the army should be free."
            Patrick Henry was also convinced that the power over the various state militias given the federal government in the new Constitution could be used to strip the slave states of their slave-patrol militias. He knew the majority attitude in the North opposed slavery, and he worried they'd use the Constitution to free the South's slaves (a process then called "Manumission").
            The abolitionists would, he was certain, use that power (and, ironically, this is pretty much what Abraham Lincoln ended up doing):
            "[T]hey will search that paper [the Constitution], and see if they have power of manumission," said Henry. "And have they not, sir? Have they not power to provide for the general defence and welfare? May they not think that these call for the abolition of slavery? May they not pronounce all slaves free, and will they not be warranted by that power?
            "This is no ambiguous implication or logical deduction. The paper speaks to the point: they have the power in clear, unequivocal terms, and will clearly and certainly exercise it."
            He added: "This is a local matter, and I can see no propriety in subjecting it to Congress."
            James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution" and a slaveholder himself, basically called Patrick Henry paranoid.
            "I was struck with surprise," Madison said, "when I heard him express himself alarmed with respect to the emancipation of slaves. . . . There is no power to warrant it, in that paper [the Constitution]. If there be, I know it not."
            But the southern fears wouldn't go away.
            Patrick Henry even argued that southerner's "property" (slaves) would be lost under the new Constitution, and the resulting slave uprising would be less than peaceful or tranquil:
            "In this situation," Henry said to Madison, "I see a great deal of the property of the people of Virginia in jeopardy, and their peace and tranquility gone."
            So Madison, who had (at Jefferson's insistence) already begun to prepare proposed amendments to the Constitution, changed his first draft of one that addressed the militia issue to make sure it was unambiguous that the southern states could maintain their slave patrol militias.
            His first draft for what became the Second Amendment had said: "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed, and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country [emphasis mine]: but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person."
            But Henry, Mason and others wanted southern states to preserve their slave-patrol militias independent of the federal government. So Madison changed the word "country" to the word "state," and redrafted the Second Amendment into today's form:
            "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State [emphasis mine], the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
            Little did Madison realize that one day in the future weapons-manufacturing corporations, newly defined as "persons" by a Supreme Court some have called dysfunctional, would use his slave patrol militia amendment to protect their "right" to manufacture and sell assault weapons used to murder schoolchildren.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Bronco: Thank you all so much. I made a buttload on S&W stock.

            HTC: So what kind of powder do you use in a "buttload?"

            HTC: You're such a sucker for leftist propaganada.
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            That WAS leftist propaganda....sucker.[wink]

            And Pete...hook, line, and sinker....[smile]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Crabby Obama Caught in Budget Trap
            By Chris Stirewalt
            January 15, 2013

            "Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."

            -- Then-Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in a March 16, 2006 floor speech explaining his decision to oppose a request to increase the federal debt limit, then set at $8.2 trillion.

            Welcome to the reality of living in a nation with a government that either will not or cannot pass a budget.

            When borrowing and spending happen out of tandem, the pleasure of purchasing isn’t tinged with the pain of additional debt and, likewise, the discomfort at new debt isn’t leavened with happy thoughts for politicians of welfare checks and new fighter jets.

            The Constitution gives Congress the power to spend and to borrow, but when the two things happen out of step, things get hairy.

            In September, Congress voted to spend something like $525 billion to keep the government running until late March – a bump of about $8 billion over the previous six months. Lawmakers didn’t need to address the other two thirds of federal spending, “mandatory” entitlement programs that were designed to rise in perpetuity.

            The members who voted “aye” on the “continuing resolution” did so knowing that the outlays would outrun the current debt limit. As the world’s largest debtor, the federal government has to borrow something beyond a quarter of everything it spends.

            Now, though, the government has actually exhausted its borrowing power and, without a hike in the credit limit, would have to slash spending dramatically – all the way back to 2008 levels.

            While 2008 levels don’t sound too bad at first blush, the cost of those “mandatory” programs and the cost of servicing the debt already accrued has increased dramatically in the past four years.

            In rough terms, the government spends about $250 billion a month. Of that, $36 billion is to pay off the existing $16.4 trillion in debt – about $8.3 billion a month more than in 2008.

            By deciding to spend without budgeting, Democrats have left themselves wide open to the current showdown.

            Rather than having the politically dangerous regular budget process, the Obama Democrats have opted for straight spending bills for most of the president’s first term.

            When a budget is completed, as the rules require, hawks and spenders have to reach some agreement about how much to spend and tax and borrow. Deals are made and politically painful votes are cast.

            Obama, who is a big believer in more spending to keep the economy afloat, was not interested in seeing cuts in an election year and Senate Democrats, concerned about protecting their majority, were not inclined to be profiles in political courage.

            And in 2011 and 2010 there were similar political pressures and, well, a desire to not face the nasty business of voting to borrow another $1 trillion. The economic emergency of the recession that followed the Panic of 2008 gave way seamlessly to the political calculations of 2012.

            But by leaving the borrowing limit for another day, the Obama Democrats have empowered the small-government budget hawks in the House to make fresh demands for cuts in order to raise debt ceiling.

            As a result, the government is dangling at the brink of what Democrats call “default on our obligations” and Republicans call “partial government shutdown.”

            Whatever you call it, it would be stark stuff. By the time the “mandatory” programs and interest payments were done and the military was funded to the degree necessary to protect the nation there wouldn’t be much left over. Whatever you think of John Maynard Keynes, sucking that much money out of the economy all at once would be a blow.

            Add to that the full-throttle freak-out of creditors and investors who wondered what in the name of Sam Rayburn was going on in Washington, and you could see some serious disruptions, including the start of a worldwide recession.

            Obama was cross and crabby at the final press conference of his first term, scowling in exasperation at Republicans who want to use the debt limit as leverage.

            But it was the political calculation by Democrats to spend without budgeting – to avoid the process by which the pleasure of spending and pain of borrowing and taxing are intertwined – that has left the president in this bind.

            For the conservatives who watch the nation hurtling toward fiscal oblivion, now is a better time to take the medicine and force reform than to shuffle along for another year or two or four without making big changes.

            Liberals are proud that Obama risked his re-election to pass an unpopular new health-insurance entitlement program. Conservatives are looking for similar audacity from their representatives in Congress when it comes to debt and spending.

            And it is the Obama Democrats who have given them the chance.

            And Now, A Word From Charles:

            “If we didn't do hypocrisy here every night we would probably have a three-minute panel every night. It is quite staggering. It's not just that [President Obama] changed his position [on the debt limit], but the way he heaps opprobrium on the people who are saying today exactly what he said seven years ago.”

            -- Charles Krauthammer on “Special Report with Bret Baier.”


            Chris Stirewalt is digital politics editor for Fox News, and his POWER PLAY column appears Monday-Friday on FoxNews.com. Catch Chris Live online daily at 11:30amET at http:live.foxnews.com.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/15/crabby-obama-caught-in-budget-trap/#ixzz2I3pligsB

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:41 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: [addressing Bronco] Yea....we believe that. Lol....your so full of it. Might want to check reality before you try to make political points with lies. What a moron you are.

            HTC: You might want to explicitly point out that S&W's stock is down by 20% from its pre-Newtown shooting high. Bronco doesn't do too well with the obvious.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Pete: Biden: W.H. readies 19 executive actions on guns

            HTC: True to form for today's Democrats, they're not only looking at how far they can go in sidestepping the Constitution, but they're also focusing on the wrong end of the problem. And who better to lead these Keystone Kops than Joe ("Wrong Way") Biden.

            Not mentioned in any of the widely aired proposals is mental health and other factors which we must deal with if we want to significantly reduce shootings like that at Newtown. The logical thinker knows that the shooter is the problem, not the gun, but that's a much tougher problem to deal with and, when the going gets tough, the Democrats get going on nonsolutions which will rally their ignorant base.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:22 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: Thank you all so much. I made a buttload on S&W stock.

            HTC: So what kind of powder do you use in a "buttload?"

            Bronco: http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-exaggerates-planned-parenthood-abortion-funding-by-100s-of-millions

            HTC: You're such a sucker for leftist propaganada. The Examiner claims that "...only 3% of the total operating budget is allocated for all abortion related services", but that is a flat out LIE. 3% of SERVICES provided are abortion related, in terms of the appearance rate for those billing CODES among all billing codes generated; however, 15% of their operating funds come from abortion services, as does most of their net operating revenues (versus grants and donations.)

            Laura Ingraham is correct that abortions are a high-profit item for PP and their revenues for those services have long trended upwards. The Examiner lies again when it claims that abortion services only generated around $15M in revenues for PP; in fact, according to the PP's last published annual figures, abortion services generated almost $165M.

            Many former PP workers have gone on the record to talk about how PP plays accounting games to hide and obscure these numbers as best they can and how they've gone out of their way to boost abortion revenues.

            But if you're concerned about accuracy in the media, while the Fox folks may have been off by a factor of two or three, the MSM that you follow are off by orders of magnitude when it comes to their coverage of our real fiscal cliff. They have also greatly assisted in the fleecing of hundreds of billions of dollars from the worlds' population with the fabricated threat of "global warming."

            So I suggest you focus on your own egregious errors in facts and logic before you worry too much about Fox.

             
          • Pete posted at 5:34 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            http://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2013/01/09/106290

             
          • Pete posted at 5:14 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Levin: If Obama sidesteps Congress on debt ceiling, ‘no choice’ but impeachment

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/levin-if-obama-sidesteps-congress-on-debt-ceiling-no-choice-but-impeachment/#ixzz2I2tT0chj

             
          • Pete posted at 5:11 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            GOP congressman threatens impeachment if Obama uses executive action for gun control

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/gop-congressman-threatens-impeachment-if-obama-uses-executive-action-for-gun-control/#ixzz2I2snq041

             
          • Pete posted at 5:05 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 4:51 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            Heck...if you can make stupid allusions so can I.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:51 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            Pete posted at 4:39 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.
            "And the fair question in return is...did the political science major "Hans" jump for joy?"

            I was just back from Vietnam, and hadn't declared a Major yet. Sorry.....can't stick it to me with that one. But keep circling.

             
          • Pete posted at 4:39 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 3:53 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013

            "On August 15, 1971, a Sunday, President Nixon unilaterally announced...... "Now I am a Keynesian!"

            As a Professor of Economics at the time, did you Freak Out?

            - And the fair question in return is...did the political science major "Hans" jump for joy?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:53 am on Tue, Jan 15, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 7:05 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.
            Posts: 286
            "Yes, FDR and his staff and most of the academics in America were fascinated with Communism..."

            "On August 15, 1971, a Sunday, President Nixon unilaterally announced...... "Now I am a Keynesian!" "

            As a Professor of Economics at the time, did you Freak Out?

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:34 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Thank you all so much. I made a buttload on S&W stock.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:33 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            RLS:
            As a matter of curiosity, why am I the only person willing to use my name, other than Frank, in these discussions?
            -----------------
            The Left won't because the Right becomes a little testy when confronted with a different perspective on the issues. The Right won't because of their paranoia.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:29 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-exaggerates-planned-parenthood-abortion-funding-by-100s-of-millions

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:15 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            The three Als and a national shame...

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcJjMnHoIBI

             
          • Pete posted at 8:23 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Here we go....

            Biden: W.H. readies 19 executive actions on guns

            Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/biden-guns-executive-actions-86187.html#ixzz2I0ixZCV7

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:42 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Progressive Neoconservatism 101-

            Politically, Herbert C Hoover identified with the progressive wing of the Republican Party, Hoover began supporting Theodore Roosevelt's progressive third-party bid in 1912. In 1917, after the United States entered the war, the progressive President Woodrow Wilson asked Hoover to run the U.S. Food Administration and fed all of Europe as America starved and lived in tent camps known as "hoovervilles" during the great depression.

            Class, before the "freedom bell" rings and you are all excused, will RS and HTC stay after class and write on the chalkboard 100 times: The progressive republican Herbert C Hoover was president when the depression started. FDR as a Democrat pulled us out of the depression.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 7:05 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            Yes, FDR and his staff and most of the academics in America were fascinated with Communism as HTC has noted. It has had a continued and wicked influence upon the Progressive movement and a devastating impact upon our Republic leading to their dream that created the unaffordable Affordable Care Act. But, the most arrogant aspect of this history has been within the Academy and why have scholars neglected the crimes committed by the Communists while names such as Himler and Eichmann are infamous? Why has the academic community neglected its duty to speak the truth? Why do Lenin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, and even Stalin enjoy a surprising reverence among them? it is believed hat any realistic accounting of Communist crime would effectively shut the door on Utopia. Unlike Nazism, most conclude that it will be a very long time before Communism is accorded its fair share of absolute evil.

            The answer to this neglect of truth revolves about the concealment of the misdeeds by the perpetrators and the systematic attack against all who dare expose the crimes. But, the indifference of contemporary scholars to the criminal dimension of Communism and to their fellow humans can never be forgotten. It borders on criminality itself. The truth destroys the Liberal/Progressive dream.

            However, a most promising scholarly work by Vladimir Tismaneanu, "The Devil in History", has just been published and reveals the doctrinal foundations of Communism along with its evil intent and its wicked potency. Communism in spite of its murderous history remains a core for the Progressive movement, and it continues as the basis for their false promises for a Utopian existence that has now led us to borrow forty cents of every federal dollar spent, reject American Exceptionalisn, and attempt to make all citizens a ward of the state. I am always saddened by reader comments who tend to agree with Marxism without understanding its indecency and the indignities it has foisted upon millions as they attempt to defeat the human spirit. And, that is why Frank continues to speak about the truth of history. If one does not understand it and take seriously its message, then one will repeat it. "And, if that doesn’t scare you, nothing will". RLS

            As a matter of curiosity, why am I the only person willing to use my name, other than Frank, in these discussions?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:01 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            TELL CONGRESS: NO MORE TWO-DAY WORKWEEKS IT'S A NATIONAL SHAME

            Most Americans put in a five-day workweek. Yet in 2012, the U.S. House of Representatives scheduled only two weeks where it was in session for five days.

            Of course, members of Congress need to travel back to their districts from time to time as part of their work, but a two-day work week is simply unacceptable.

            No Labels is a non-partisan organization working to make Congress more effective. Sign the petition to join us in demanding that members of Congress work five days a week, just like everybody else.

            http://hq.nolabels.org/page/s/workweekdisp

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:35 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:36 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013

            HTC:" You can be forgiven for believing that crap because that's exactly the false FDR legacy that progressives, especially those in education, labored so hard to create. I can remember being taught this garbage in the parochial schools I attended."

            IABD- President Theodore Roosevelt was of the Progressive Bull Moose party. Franklin D. Roosevelt, was his fifth cousin who differed with Teddy's politics and was a non progressive Democrat.
            Progressive leaders were more like dictators offering "trickle down" economics from the top downward to the people. Democratic leaders such as FDR offered power to the people that "trickled upward".
            Did your parochial school nuns, in spartan type fashion, wear leather and whipped you too hard on the head as a child?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 4:50 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2197

            HRHprince:
            Firstly, a de facto "Al Jazeera" has long-operated -covertly- in "America": Time Warner (See: CNN).
            --------
            Time Warner Cable already dropped the channel.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:03 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            HTC: "You have NO idea what a POS FDR really was. A good Readers' Digest summation can be found here: http://www.zundelsite.org/basic_articles/worth.rep.001.html "

            http://www.zundelsite.org/

            If this site seems a bit extreme, and you would like a more balanced objection to FDR, the National Review has been pounding away since the 1950's, without the emotional and juvenile nature Herr HTC and his borderline personality deficit, seems stuck in.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:36 pm on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Bronco: ...what Franklin Delano Roosevelt did was to institute reforms that benefited the working class, but he was still a capitalist leader.

            HTC: You can be forgiven for believing that crap because that's exactly the false FDR legacy that progressives, especially those in education, labored so hard to create. I can remember being taught this garbage in the parochial schools I attended.

            FDR hardly helped the middle class; in fact, his policies greatly extended the Great Depression in duration and depth; his conspiring with big business supporters caused great harm to small businesses owned by the working class; his agriculture and pricing policies artificially raised the prices of food products, seriously hurting working class families and he even outlawed family farms from growing food for themselves in excess of the limits he placed on all farm production.

            FDR threatened those in the media who resisted his socialist and unconstitutional policies and programs and even imprisoned some of them. When the Supreme Court ultimately struck down many key parts of his New Deal, he even tried to eliminate them.

            FDR's New Deal and Social Security set the stage for the massive growth in government and entitlement spending which now threatens to bankrupt this country and destroy our childrens' futures.

            His incompetent foreign policies helped to set the stage for WW II which caused millions of deaths of working class citizens around the world and cost taxpayers a small fortune.

            A friend of the working class? Hah!

            You have NO idea what a POS FDR really was. A good Readers' Digest summation can be found here:

            http://www.zundelsite.org/basic_articles/worth.rep.001.html

            But I highly suggest that you read this book:

            http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/140005477X

            That is, if you really want to know the truth about his legacy.


             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 10:49 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Firstly, a de facto "Al Jazeera" has long-operated -covertly- in "America": Time Warner (See: CNN).


            Secondly Mr. Miele, we must first properly define and identify ACTUAL Anti-Americanism,
            before we recognize the true perpetrators. (Note: A comment left at the Washington
            Post website -regarding Anti-Americanism- was suppressed. Our nation will be better
            without that shamelessly "government"-propagandist outlet):
            Unquestionably, any individual and/or organization which defies, desecrates, or nullifies
            -both- the letter and the spirit of our Divinely-inspired U.S. Constitution, is patently
            Anti-American. To merely speak-out against "American" Powers-that-won't-be,
            is more akin to true patriotism:
            "Any government which practices Deception upon it's citizens, is not worthy to be preserved"
            Thomas Jefferson
            "Ultimately, man shall be governed by tyrants of by God"
            Benjamin Franklin
            "For nearly a century, a sinister, confirmed Confederacy of Evil has desecrated and defiled the
            U.S. Constitution and American citizens. This Godless enemy, shall fall."
            HRH Prince Michael of The House of David


            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:35 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 9:14 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            There is actually very little about FDR's time in office which was good for our country, neither from an economic and political standpoint, nor in terms of national and global security; however, since progressives were already solidly in control of much of academia, in particular our colleges and universities, far too many 'historians' have painted a rosy picture of FDR which simply cannot be supported by the facts.

            FDR's long courtship of Stalin actually helped to create the conditions which made WW II invevitable:

            http://www.mmisi.org/ma/30_3-4/nisbet.pdf

            It's only been fairly recently that we've started to see some honest coverage of the FDR presidency, including the fact that FDR's policies actually extended the pain and the duration of the Great Depression.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: In his soul, FDR was a flaming commie and, while some suggest he stood for "liberty", had not even the most basic understanding of it.
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            YES! And as a commie, FDR advocated violent revolution of the proletariat against the capital-owning classes. He also advocated the establishment of people's collectives based on public ownership of the means of production. That crazy commie tried his very best to nationalize the means of production and distribution. He also did his utmost to end the rule of the capitalist class in the USA...because all good communists never rest until these things are accomplished...

            OH SNAP! Wrong FDR...what Franklin Delano Roosevelt did was to institute reforms that benefited the working class, but he was still a capitalist leader.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:01 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzAA-o2vncg

             
          • kohana posted at 9:24 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            In my last post, it was Freeman Dyson I was going introduce to my grandson. Haven't had my 2nd cup of coffee yet.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:14 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HTC, I had no idea, as I've never studied much about FDR! I read his whole 1st Inaugural speech last night and swear the O's speech writer had just rewritten it for the O. I don't ever remember my parents or grandparents thinking he was so wonderful. But then as a small child probably wouldn't have heard many political expressions.

            I've just started reading Churchill's WWII, and what our countries did after WWI just stuns me. They and we scuttled our military so all countries could have an even playing field. Then less than 20 years later Hitler came along. We didn't do that after WWII and have remained strong, but now the O is trying to do the same thing. Just thinking about the slaughter of WWII makes me sick, so must not have learned my history very well and certainly the schools are not teaching it.

            My 14 year-old grandson visited me this week-end and he said he is starting to take a science class. So I was going to introduce him to Richard Feynman, or Dyson Freeman, and ask if he had heard of them. No, he hadn't so asked if he had studied WWII yet, no, so then asked if he knew anything about the atomic bomb. Well, he's heard a little about that, but not enough to know why it was used. He is in a high school in Kalispell. Hopefully within the next 4 years they will teach him something.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 8:53 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2197

            Rob123 posted at 7:43 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.
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            I've noticed that over 200 people have 'like'd Al Jazeer on facebook in just a couple hours. I gotta thank Frank for taking me to www.aljazeera.com as opposed to reading linked articles here and there.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:28 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.geni.com/people/Herbert-C-Hoover-31st-President-of-the-USA/6000000003076423522
            The worst president in US history....
            "Post-World War II

            Because of Hoover's previous experience with Germany at the end of World War I, in 1946 President Harry S. Truman selected the former president (Herbert C Hoover Republican Progressive) to tour Germany to ascertain the food status of the occupied nation. Hoover toured what was to become West Germany in Hermann Göring's old train coach and produced a number of reports critical of U.S. occupation policy. The economy of Germany had "sunk to the lowest level in a hundred years." He stated in one report:

            "There is the illusion that the New Germany left after the annexations can be reduced to a "pastoral state". It cannot be done unless we exterminate or move 25,000,000 people out of it."

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:43 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            jennydoe posted at 6:02 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            [thumbup]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:17 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            kohana posted at 9:32 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013

            FDR and his wife were fascinated with communism, as were most leading progressives of that era. FDR so admired the communist experiment in the U.S.S.R. that he long refused to believe the intelligence briefings he was given that showed that Stalin was killing incredible numbers of his own people.

            He also greatly admired Hitler and the Nazi experiment for quite some time, again long rejecting the intelligence briefings which informed him of the mass murder of the Jews by that regime.

            In his soul, FDR was a flaming commie and, while some suggest he stood for "liberty", had not even the most basic understanding of it.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:02 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2197

            So when was the last time you linked on an Al Jazeera article?
            I read one the other day about a Scotish guy making petrol from fresh air.
            Should we hang Al Gore, or perhaps respect him as a good American Capitalist? And who else should we be hating?
            You guys are bonkers!!! Nobody is forcing you to watch Al Jazeera, and we live in such a paranoid society that it might not even make the airwaves. If you look into it you'll find that AJE is mainly managed by the Brits. If you can pull yourself away from FOX long enough, and venture into global news, one might find some interesting news on AJE.
            pathetic.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:04 am on Mon, Jan 14, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6572

            kohana: "Ever wonder why Afghanistan is now an eleven year WAR? It has become a war of attrition that is defined by our enemy....."

            330BC – Alexander the Great invades region including modern day Afghanistan and spends two years fighting and facing repeated rebellion.
            667AD – Arab armies sweep into Afghan territory, but only partially subdue locals and face frequent revolts.
            1220 – Genghis Khan's Mongol armies sweep through Afghanistan.
            1722 – Birth of Ahmad Shah Durrani, first Emir of Afghanistan.
            1839 to 1842 – First Anglo-Afghan War sees British occupy Kabul and impose puppet leader to oppose Russian influence. Ends in disastrous retreat from Kabul in which 4,500 soldiers and 12,000 camp followers are massacred, except a sole survivor and a handful of prisoners, trying to get back to India.
            1878 to 1880 – Second Anglo-Afghan War. Britain invades Afghanistan again and fights two years of costly battles including a humiliating defeat at Maiwand. British withdraw after defeated Afghans cede control of foreign policy.
            1919 – Third Anglo Afghan War sees Afghanistan effectively regain independence.
            1929 – RAF uses biplanes to airlift entire expat community from Kabul after tribal uprising in eastern Afghanistan.
            1933 – Zahir Shah becomes king and country remains a monarchy for four decades 1973 – King deposed by Mohammed Daud, who declares a republic and tries to play off Soviet Union and West.
            1978 – Daud is overthrown and killed in a leftist coup. The coup leaders fight among each other, while conservative Islamic and ethnic leaders angered by modernising social changes begin an armed rural revolt.
            1979 – Soviet Union sends in troops.
            1980 onwards – America, Saudi Arabia and Gulf states provide money and arms channelled through Pakistan to the Mujahideen resistance.
            1986 – US begins supplying sophisticated Stinger missiles allowing the Mujahideen to shoot down Soviet helicopters.
            1989 – Last Soviet troops leave.
            1992 – Soviet puppet Najibullah falls from power. Mujahideen take Kabul and begin squabbling. Country collapses into civil war.
            1994 – Strict Islamic Taliban movement arises in reaction to civil anarchy.
            1996 – Taliban take Kabul and impose strict social laws.
            1998 – America fires cruise missiles at suspected camps of Osama bin Laden in retaliation for embassy bombings in Africa.
            2001 – US special forces and air power help Northern Alliance topple Taliban after regime refuses to hand over Osama bin Laden for the September 11 attacks on America.
            2003 – US-led invasion of Iraq shifts attention and resources from Afghanistan.
            2004 – Hamid Karzai elected president.
            2006 – British troops move to Helmand and face daily fire fights against Taliban.
            2007 – Opium production reaches record levels.
            2008 – Security continues to plummet. Massive jailbreak of Taliban prisoners in Kandahar. Suicide bombers target Indian embassy.
            2009 – Barack Obama agrees surge of 30,000 more American troops.
            2010 – Nato says it aims hand over security operations to Kabul by end of 2014, but says it is an "aspirational goal", not guarantee.

             
          • who new posted at 10:38 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Before we become too paranoid about the Islamic threat, perhaps we should look at some demographics of the Muslim population. Not only could there be less of them who are a threat to us than we are led to believe, but proportionately, there may be even less of them in the future.

            “Although upwards of one fifth of the world’s population today is thereby estimated to be Muslim, a much smaller share of the population of the “more developed regions” adheres to Islam: perhaps just over three percent of that grouping (that is to say, around 40 million out of its total of 1.2 billion people).”

            “In aggregate, the proportional decline in fertility for Muslim-majority areas as a whole was -41 percent over these three decades: by any historical benchmark, an exceptionally rapid tempo of sustained fertility decline.”

            http://www.hoover.org/publications/policy-review/article/118261

             
          • kohana posted at 9:32 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Taken from FDR's 1st Inagural speech, which sounds like Obama now that I read it:

            "If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife."

            And people elected him 3 more times. Egads!

            Read the entire speech: http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5057/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:27 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 7:17 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013

            RS-"I like what Frank has written as it rings the bell of truth during my lifetime that began in the 30's."

            IABD-Was it the fact that 'Liberty" was on the coinage during the your youth in the depression and FDR did not want "In God We Trust" minted on coinage during his time in office. Then your divine opportunity came when Eisenhower, Nixon and McCarthy in the 50's wanted a change in government. "In God We Trust" replaced "Liberty" and the anti-communist witch-hunt began. Did this opportunity give you new desire of rekindling terror in America again with a renewal of an unconstitutional domestic insecurity? The neo-conservative far-right detested listening to FDR's famous quote: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." Was liberty was just too progressive of a postwar concept for you to deal with? Was it a combination of your religious fundamentalist reasoning and Nixon's bounty money for detecting a possible communist threat existing when students during your tenure in the local public school system in the 60's spent too much time in the library? Time and Life magazines were considered communist magazines by Herbert Hoover as well. The bell of truth was censorship apparently.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:29 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Flavius_Maximus

            OBAMA'S AGENDA INCLUDES THE HOMELAND...

            Everyone needs to understand the scope of the problem it is not “Radical Islam” which is a facade dressed-up for our consumption with the handy catch-all face of al Qaeda. It is simply Islam, more importantly the Shariah doctrine of Islam thanks to Obama’s forays into Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. Obama has purposely embedded the Muslim Brotherhood (through operatives) into our government at the national security level so much so that it has destroyed the Command and Control function for the recognition of Shariah at the DOJ, FBI, NSA, DHS, CIA, State Department and even our Military by Islam controlling information dominance over us.

            Ever wonder why Afghanistan is now an eleven year WAR? It has become a war of attrition that is defined by our enemy...made worse by Obama.

            What's more Obama has created the seeds of our destruction through sedition by these embedded operatives through Civilization Jihad and Jihad with Money for Shariah compliant finance initiatives and the disinformation/misinformation tradecraft they practice through front groups like ISNA, CAIR, IIIT, MSA and others to practice stealth jihad. It is akin to Communism with God and their successful spycraft of the Cold War as they use our own principles of the 1st Amendment religious freedoms against us as they subvert our will to resist under the banner of inclusion and multiculturalism and bring us to submission.

            In better days we were alert to these seditious acts and took steps to exclude Communist and Nazi operatives from becoming embedded into our government no more as these Islamists’ are rife within our power structure and government (second link has operatives at the White House). Obama will never denounce Shariah and Jihad unless he absolutely has to as he practices Taqiyya (pronounced Ta-key-a which is deceit of the kafir, non-muslim) as he and the Muslim Brotherhood implement Shariah within our nation (3rd link has Obama's declaration to Allah).

            Every citizen needs to be educated against this threat and work tirelessly to root these operatives out and stop the spread of Shariah in our nation; follow the links below to get a feel for the scope of the problem; take the course found in the first link to become better informed.

            Links:
            http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/part-1-the-threat-doctrine-of-shariah-the-muslim-brotherhood/

            and
            http://www.investigativeproject.org/3777/a-red-carpet-for-radicals-at-the-white-house

            and
            http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

            This is what John Quincy Adams our 6th President had to say about the shariah doctrine of jihadist Islam in 1829:

            “The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force.”

            It is interesting to compare what John Quincy Adams had to say about the jihad of shariah Islam and what Obama, Hilary and the Islamist apologists in this regime have to say it is simply night and day, clearly John Quincy Adams knew an enemy when he saw one; Obama just sold us out to shariah.

            That’s TREASON…!

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/the_closed_circle_of_the_arab_comments.html#disqus_thread#ixzz2HueOLyo9

             
          • kohana posted at 7:21 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            This is our future, as the Saudis have purchased us with our own money, paying for their oil. They have infiltrated our country with their mosques, their propaganda, their shari’a laws, and it is called stealth Jihad. We still have time to develop our own sources of fuel, and stop this, but doesn’t look likely as too many people think these folks are “just like us.” Not only do the Saudis dislike us criticizing Islam, they don’t want the world to criticize their barbaric laws of shari’a either. Of course, this would empty our jails and prisons in a hurry, or else build their army.

            http://www.france24.com/en/20130113-saudi-criticises-world-reaction-maids-beheading

            13 January 2013

            Saudi criticises world reaction to maid's beheading

            By blade

            Created 13/01/2013 - 15:24

            Saudi Arabia on Sunday criticised world reaction to its beheading a Sri Lankan maid convicted of killing her employer's baby, the official SPA news agency reported.
            Riyadh "deplores the statements made... over the execution of a Sri Lankan maid who had plotted and killed an infant by suffocating him to death, one week after she arrived in the kingdom," the government spokesman said.

            Rizana Nafeek was beheaded on Wednesday in a case that sparked widespread international condemnation, including from rights groups which said she was just 17 when she was charged with murdering the baby in 2005.

            Nafeek was found guilty of smothering the infant after an argument with the child's mother.
            The case soured diplomatic relations with Sri Lanka which on Thursday recalled its ambassador to Saudi Arabia in protest.

            The government spokesman condemned what he called "wrong information on the case," and denied that the maid was a minor when she committed the crime.

            "As per her passport, she was 21 years old when she committed the crime," he said, adding that "the kingdom does not allow minors to be brought as workers."

            He said the authorities had tried hard to convince the baby's family to accept "blood money," but they rejected any amnesty and insisted that the maid be executed.
            Saudi Arabia "respects... all rules and laws and protects the rights of its people and residents, and completely rejects any intervention in its affairs and judicial verdicts, whatever the excuse," the spokesman said.

            The UN's human rights body on Friday expressed "deep dismay" at the beheading, and the European Union said it had asked the Saudi authorities to commute the death penalty.
            Human Rights Watch said Nafeek had retracted "a confession" that she said was made under duress. She said the baby accidentally choked to death while drinking from a bottle.

            Rape, murder, apostasy, armed robbery and drug trafficking are all punishable by death under Saudi Arabia's strict version of sharia, or Islamic law.

            Last year the ultra-conservative Muslim kingdom beheaded 76 people, according to an AFP tally based on official figures, while HRW put the number at 69.

            So far this year, three people have been executed.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 7:17 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            I like what Frank has written as it rings the bell of truth during my lifetime that began in the 30's. During my years the fight was against Fascism and Communism where millions upon millions of innocent citizens were killed by inane concepts of governance and fairness for those they governed. There were few world leaders that were willing to take on these thugs, but as we know, they slowly eat their way to you no matter how you tend to defend their actions as benign since you feel separated from their evil of radical egalitarianism. In the end, It was the people who rebelled against totalitarianism that sought not only to control politics and the economy but to establish permanent state ownership of truth and morality.

            We are now faced with a different enemy that consists of an intellectual academy that embraces anti-Americanism and a foreign enemy that embraces the radical side of Islam bent upon destroying liberal democracies around the world. Sound familiar? That has been the history of the world and the scholarly literature will confirm such. Sadly, I see many of the readers willing to defer to the Progressive's side of the threat that also embraces the concept of "anything goes" as Frank states. I would say to you: Do not live a lie. Do not surrender your free will. Take responsibility for yourself, your town, and your country. Do not believe in the Progressive experiment that suggests the state owns the truth rather than its citizens. If you do not, then you live at your own peril! History confirms that, and Frank is warning us of it. If history does not scare you, then nothing will! RLS

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:33 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 1:47 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013

            IABD- What else would the guillotine be used for during the American Revolutionary war? Perhaps it was predestined to become a future moon-cheese slicer for Al Gore.

             
          • kohana posted at 1:59 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/

            Troy Senik, Ed.

            The Week in Review -- January 12, 2013

            January 12, 2013

            -- In a severe embarrassment to the Obama Administration, it was revealed that the White House Task Force on Guns being led by Joe Biden has consisted almost entirely of the Vice President leading eight-hour sessions of the classic video game “Duck Hunt.”

            -- Democratic New York Congressman Jose Serrano proposed amending the Constitution to abolish presidential term limits, a development which experts agree could lead to the real-world fruition of the plot to the "Terminator" films.

            -- At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Lenovo unveiled plans for a tablet the size of a coffee table that allows a family of four to use the device simultaneously. “Never before,” said the company’s press release, “will you have been able to completely ignore blood relatives from such close proximity.”

            -- On his New York Times blog/dream journal, Paul Krugman insisted that calls for him to be appointed Treasury Secretary were misguided, claiming that he may actually have more influence in his current role as a Times columnist. A 12-week old Labrador puppy in Omaha currently being housebroken on Krugman’s “influence” could not be reached for comment.

            -- On Saturday, the Treasury Department announced that it will not embrace plans to mint a trillion-dollar platinum coin to avoid a showdown over the debt ceiling (yeah … this part isn’t even the joke). The official reasoning was that the coin wouldn’t actually have any meaningful effect on the nation’s debt crisis, though one anonymous Treasury staffer conceded, “We’re also all pretty scared that Geithner would follow it to Mordor.”

            -- Human rights groups expressed their outrage that a 90-year-old man in Saudi Arabia has purchased an underage girl for $20,000 with the intent of making her his wife. A clear cultural divide was at work, with the Saudi man insisting he had done nothing wrong while Western critics insisted he should at least abide by American mores and get her a show on the E! network for a couple of seasons.

            -- America’s short-lived war on mental illness ended, as Piers Morgan interviewed Alex Jones on national television. The growing consensus among psychological experts is that both men are projections from within the mind of a schizophrenic currently housed in a facility in upstate New York.

            Read all of them:
            http://ricochet.com/


             
          • kohana posted at 1:47 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Huffington Post likens "Prophet Muhammad" to George Washington

            You remember when George Washington made the British line up beside a trench and beheaded 900 of them, don't you? And when he consummated his marriage with John Adams' nine-year-old daughter?

            Read the rest:

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/01/huffington-post-likens-prophet-muhammad-to-george-washington.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:25 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Whether you love Al Gore or hate him for his forewarning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth (2006)", how can anyone still deny global warming as liberal pseudo-scientific theory after witnessing the extreme global climate changes in the 7 years following? Al Gore is no idiot.

            It is an extremely dissapointing reality however that Al Gore would rather move to a moon station with the wealthiest individuals on the planet and return after we destroyed it because of our dependence on oil. Two Al's don't make a right either.

            http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence
            http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/record-heat-in-australia-fuels-wildfires-as-temperatures-soar-over-100f/2013/01/08/fcf8f04a-59a0-11e2-88d0-c4cf65c3ad15_blog.html

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 12:36 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            "Must be special not to have your indecent, vulgar posts pulled. I don't put in half the crap you do but mine somehow never make it past the editor. Classic case of two Rights making a wrong."

            Of course not. HTC and his 24/7 ramblings is about all Frank has left to keep his ragged troops together (and that ain't saying much).

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 12:21 pm on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            Ah, the "Muslim Brotherhood", Al Jazeera, Al Gore (The Inconvenient Idiot) - All is well, they speak only peace and tranquility, Love for all Humankind and all religions. Hey, let's just keep on sending those brothers in Egypt more weapons and more "foreign aid". (our tax dollars at work). This column and the resulting flapping and clucking from the leftist worshipers of El Presidente Obama, (the Anointed One) and the regime is expected. It is apparent, that anything Frank writes will be attacked with vigor and fantasy. But still, ya just gotta admire that level of enduring ignorance. Well done to all the Liberal Cluckers.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:51 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            HTC: Listening to you is like watching the 'magic' of a talking t_urd.
            ----------------------------------
            Must be special not to have your indecent, vulgar posts pulled. I don't put in half the crap you do but mine somehow never make it past the editor. Classic case of two Rights making a wrong.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:41 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:38 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013

            "HTC: Listening to you is like watching the 'magic' of a talking t_urd."

            IABD- Listen closely to one of your fellow neoconservative's:

            http://www.break.com/index/elimination-the-first-step-2404910

             
          • kohana posted at 11:31 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE www.nationalreview.com

            Hate-Crime Stats Deflate ‘Islamophobia’ Myth

            By David J. Rusin
            January 11, 2013 4:00 A.M.

            A detailed analysis of FBI statistics covering ten full calendar years since the 9/11 terrorist attacks reveals that, on a per capita basis, American Muslims, contrary to spin, have been subjected to hate crimes less often than other prominent minorities. From 2002 to 2011, Muslims are estimated to have suffered hate crimes at a frequency of 6.0 incidents per 100,000 per year – 10 percent lower than blacks (6.7), 48 percent lower than homosexuals and bisexuals (11.5), and 59 percent lower than Jews (14.8). Americans should keep these numbers in mind whenever Islamists attempt to silence critics by invoking Muslim victimhood.

            The federal government defines a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin, or sexual orientation.” Though statutes mandating harsher punishments for hatred-inspired acts raise the specter of thought crimes, emphasize group identity over the individual, and seemingly favor certain victims over others, the FBI’s tracking of such deeds shines important light on the state of the nation. Annual reports assembled from local law-enforcement data are accessible on the website of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Especially useful is Table 1 of each compilation, which summarizes the number of incidents, offenses, victims, and known offenders for hate crimes committed against members of different groups.

            No class of hate crimes has seen more fluctuation than anti-Muslim ones. The norm was a few dozen incidents per year in the late 1990s, but the number jumped from 28 in 2000 to 481 in 2001, a spike attributed to post-9/11 backlash. However, it dropped to 155 in 2002 and held remarkably steady through 2006, before falling again to 115 in 2007, 105 in 2008, and 107 in 2009.

            Anti-Muslim incidents rose to 160 in 2010, an increase that Islamists and their mouthpieces eagerly blamed on rampant “Islamophobia,” particularly opposition to a proposed giant mosque near Ground Zero. Based on freshly released FBI data, there was little change in 2011, with 157 incidents, 175 offenses, 185 victims, and 138 known offenders. Mark Potok of the reliably leftist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which puts foes of radical Islam in the same category as Klansmen and neo-Nazis, has declared that “hate crimes against perceived Muslims . . . remained at relatively high levels” as a result of “Islam-bashing propaganda,” anti-Sharia legislation, and ongoing resistance to new mosques, relaying that “several were attacked by apparent Islamophobes.” Note the key word: “several” in a country with at least 2,106 mosques, a few million Muslims, and 300 million–plus non-Muslims.

            As hinted above, the dark portrait of America as a nation of violent bigots uniquely hostile to Muslims does not withstand quantitative scrutiny. To smooth out year-to-year variations, consider the past decade (2002–11) of FBI-recorded hate crimes. There were 1,388 incidents against Muslims during this span, compared with 25,130 against blacks; 12,030 against homosexuals and bisexuals; 9,198 against Jews; and 5,057 against Hispanics. Even majority whites endured 7,185 incidents, while Christians (Protestants and Catholics combined) were targeted in 1,126 incidents. Adherents of “other religions” faced 1,335, very close to the anti-Muslim tally.

            Due to the different sizes of minority groups, however, raw numbers cannot tell the complete tale. More insightful are per capita rates. Some back-of-the-envelope calculations follow.

            The U.S. Census Bureau derived the total, Hispanic, and black populations for 2000 and 2010 from direct counts. Approximating their evolution with linear models, one can obtain estimates for any non-census year and, most important, the 2002–11 averages: total (299.2 million), Hispanic (45.2 million), and black (37.4 million). Surveys indicate that around 3.5 percent of American adults identify as homosexual or bisexual; applying this percentage to the total population gives a 2002–11 average of 10.5 million. Two studies have pegged the number of American Jews at about 6.5 million in 2010. Figures for 2000 vary (5.3–6.2 million), so for simplicity we set the average Jewish population between 2002 and 2011 at 6.2 million to account for moderate growth. As for Muslims, whose population estimates have a convoluted history, reputable recent numbers have been provided by the Pew Research Center (2.75 million in 2011) and the Association of Statisticians of American Religious Bodies (2.6 million in 2010; full data extractable here), which agree on the current size and growth rate (around 100,000 per year). The 2002–11 average is roughly 2.3 million Muslims.

            Adding the FBI data yields per capita frequencies of hate crimes for the past decade. Of the five main minority groups discussed above, Jews were most likely to experience hate crimes, with 14.8 incidents per 100,000 Jews annually. Homosexuals and bisexuals (combined) came next (11.5), followed by blacks (6.7), Muslims (6.0), and Hispanics (1.1). Rates for majority whites and Christians were much smaller.

            With hate crimes befalling Muslims far less often than they do Jews or homosexuals and bisexuals and slightly less often than they befall blacks, it is clear that anti-Muslim incidents are disproportionate to those targeting other minorities only in terms of the hype generated on their behalf. A closer look reinforces this conclusion.

            First, despite claims about a surge of prejudice, anti-Muslim hate crimes in 2010 and 2011 merely returned to the typical post-9/11 (2002–06) pace of 150–160 incidents per year. Further, a similar number of hate crimes in 2002 and 2011 implies a lower per capita rate in 2011 because of strong population growth.

            Second, what of the Muslim-population estimate? In hopes of inflating their presumed clout, Islamist groups routinely assert the existence of around 7 million American Muslims, three times as many as the more objective measurements. Note, however, that this Islamist-promoted figure actually would weaken their narrative of anti-Muslim hate crimes, because a higher population reduces the per capita frequency, thus painting them as even less significant in a statistical sense.

            Third, though 2001, whose rash of hate crimes against Muslims was an outlier tied to a unique event, has been excluded from the above analysis, the 2001–11 rate for Muslims was just 7.4 incidents per 100,000 per year, still far short of that applying to Jews or homosexuals and bisexuals. Self-pitying Islamists also want us to forget that in spite of 9/11-related anger, anti-Jewish hate crimes outnumbered anti-Muslim hate crimes that year by more than two to one.

            Fourth, could incomplete data affect the finding that Muslims are victimized less often than many non-Muslim minorities? Theoretically, yes, but evidence for this is scant. SPLC talking heads regularly cite a 2005 Justice Department study, using surveys of victims’ perceptions of whether prejudice had motivated crimes against them, to argue that the FBI underestimates overall hate crimes by an order of magnitude. Yet even if those claims are valid, nothing suggests that anti-Muslim crimes are more or less likely to be ignored than others, which would be necessary to alter the relative frequencies of hate crimes against different groups. Another source of incompleteness is that not all local law-enforcement agencies take part in the FBI’s tabulation, but once again there is no obvious bias here that would preferentially diminish hate crimes against Muslims. Also note that the percentage of participating agencies (see the FBI’s Table 12) is large and slowly climbing, covering 86 percent of the U.S. population in 2002 and 92 percent in 2011, meaning that improved reporting could have helped elevate the number of FBI-recorded hate crimes in later years. Although this impact is probably small, it further chips away at the meme of rising hate.

            Fifth, consider hate crimes with the worst possible outcome: death. The subject has been in the headlines after a deranged woman suspected of murdering a Hindu man, Sunando Sen, by pushing him from a New York subway platform on December 27 told police that she “hate[s] Hindus and Muslims,” whom she collectively blames for 9/11, and that she believed Sen to be Muslim. Following the initial rush to label Sen’s murder a hate crime, journalists have learned that the alleged murderer had a long history of severe mental illness, had received only intermittent treatment despite numerous pleas for help and warnings from the family, and had repeatedly gone off her medication.

            As the usual voices fault “our oversaturated Islamophobic environment” and “growing anti-Muslim hate,” they neglect to mention how rare it is for an actual or perceived Muslim to die in a hate crime. By the FBI’s count, 74 people were killed in hate crimes (“murder and nonnegligent manslaughter” in Table 4) from 2002 to 2011, but not a single one in an anti-Muslim incident. Indeed, the FBI lists no anti-Muslim fatalities since 1995, corresponding to the earliest report available.

            Why do Islamists obfuscate? The false picture of an epidemic of physical assaults on Muslims distracts Americans from Islamist hatred and enshrines Muslims as the country’s leading victim class, a strategy intended to intimidate citizens into remaining quiet about Islamic supremacism and lay the groundwork for granting Muslims special privileges and protections at the expense of others. In short, anti-Muslim hate crimes are a powerful Islamist weapon.

            At its extreme, the desire to achieve victim status in this manner has fueled the phenomenon of fake hate crimes, through staging, blatant misrepresentation, or both. An illustrative example is the March 2012 murder of Shaima Alawadi, a hijab-wearing California woman found beaten to death at home with a note calling her a terrorist beside her body. Islamists and their credulous media allies pounced at the opportunity to condemn the supposed tidal wave of “Islamophobia,” even as marital problems emerged as a potential motive. In November, police arrested Alawadi’s husband.

            Genuine hate crimes committed against any group are deplorable, but they must be placed in the proper context. First, hate crimes are uncommon across the board. Second, despite hyperbole about “anti-Muslim violence spiralling out of control in America” and producing “one of the most hostile moments that the Muslim American community has ever experienced,” the real story is the amazing tolerance and restraint of the American people. Imported Muslim fanatics murdered thousands on 9/11, the threat of homegrown jihad has crystallized, and Islamists abroad continue to slaughter innocents daily. Though Americans could find no lack of excuses to strike out at their Muslim neighbors, almost nobody does – and thankfully so. As such, the annual victims of anti-Muslim hate crimes average between three and four per U.S. state and would have trouble filling a decent-sized jetliner.

            Many Americans take a critical view of Islam, but virtually all restrict their negative sentiments to the domain of words and ideas, as civilized human beings should. People are free to have opinions, including anti-Islamic ones, regardless of how Islamists long to muzzle them. Islamists, in turn, are entitled to their own opinions about life in America. But they are not entitled to their own facts.

            — David J. Rusin is a research fellow at Islamist Watch, a project of the Middle East Forum.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:16 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:18 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013
            "...do you really believe the Right side of the room will speak out against Murdoch for his contribution to anti-Americanism? Will they label Fox as part of his "agenda" like the do the Liberal Al Gore?

            Al-Jazeera is a blatant anti-Western civilization propaganda source. Murdoch's News Corp is more subtle. I have never watched Fox News but I think the word needs to be spread just who is behind News Corp.

            Al Gore is not a liberal, he is truly "the hypocritical "greedy" capitalist" that calls himself a Democrat. Maybe you could convince him to pay his fair share in taxes of the nearly $100 million he received. I met the Gores, back before I left CA, even have a photo of me taken with Tipppy. He is most of the reason I am no longer a Democrat, Obama finished it for me.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:58 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 5:13 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013
            “I'm not going to even attempt putting my 2 cents into this little piece of prejudice. It's over-the-top, Frank.”

            Prejudice – noun.

            1. A strong feeling for or against something formed before one knows the facts; bias.
            2. Irrational hostility toward members of a particular race, religion, or group.

            Is Frank lacking facts? He has his facts down pat regarding the sale of Current TV, and the “hypocritical environmentalist” who sold out to big oil. Is he hostile to a despicable Islamic ideology? You bet. But is it “Irrational?”

            http://thereligionofpeace.com/

            Islamic terrorist have carried out more than 20,223 deadly terror attacks, world wide, since 9/11/2001. However, it is not politically correct to say so; the UN is trying to pass a law to make it illegal to criticize Islam, that religion of peace, anywhere in the world. And now, the US of A has a TV station to promote this "religion of peace" to any ignorant person who is foolish enough to listen.

            Maybe you are the one who is prejudiced, with a strong feeling FOR this “religion of peace.”

            The following is a list of Islamic terrorist attacks in just the last 30 days.

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks


             
          • Bronco posted at 10:18 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Well, cordwood, do you really believe the Right side of the room will speak out against Murdoch for his contribution to anti-Americanism? Will they label Fox as part of his "agenda" like the do the Liberal Al Gore? I would be very surprised if even one would stand up. Pathetic, really. We'll see excuses, maybe. But most of them will just crawl into the corner...or go off-topic.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:10 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Do some research. cordwood and Stewart report the hypocrisy.

            http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-january-10-2013/qur-rent-tv

             
          • cordwood posted at 10:01 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            As the ink still dries on the Current TV-Al Jazeera deal, Fox News has unsurprisingly sounded the alarm on Al Gore's "anti-American" nature. However, as Jon Stewart pointed out on last night's Daily Show, somehow they've overlooked boss Rupert Murdoch's twenty-percent stake in Rotana, an Arab station co-owned by Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal and accountable for airing Valley of the Wolves, a film in which American soldiers massacre Iraqi civilians and sell their organs to Jews. "Rupert Murdoch profiting from the airing of that type of anti-American propaganda?" says Stewart.

             
          • cordwood posted at 9:44 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            Ever since Al Gore sold Current TV to Al Jazeera, the network founded and funded by the oil-rich emirate of Qatar, the former vice president has drawn continuous fire in conservative media. Fox News, the New York Post and The Wall Street Journal, for example, have all castigated Gore, a man of the Left and leading avatar of "global warming," for such hypocrisies as timing the deal to avoid Lefty tax hikes and bagging $100 million in greenhouse-gas money.

            These same news outlets share something else in common: They all belong to Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. That means they also belong to Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

            Alwaleed owns the largest chunk of News Corp. stock outside the Murdoch family. Shortly after his purchase of 5.5 percent of News Corp. voting shares in 2005, Alwaleed gave a speech that made it clear just what he had bought. As noted in The (U.K.) Guardian, Alwaleed told an audience in Dubai that it took just one phone call to Rupert Murdoch -- "speaking not as a shareholder but as a viewer," Alwaleed said -- to get the Fox News crawl reporting "Muslim riots" in France changed to "civil riots."

            This didn't make the "Muslim" riots go away, but Alwaleed managed to fog our perception of them. With a phone call, the Saudi prince eliminated the peculiarly Islamic character of the unprecedented French street violence for both the viewers at home and, more significantly, for the journalists behind the scenes. When little owner doesn't want "Muslim" rioting identified and big owner agrees, it sets a marker for employees. Alwaleed's stake, by the way, is now 7 percent.

            At the annual meeting of News Corporation, parent of Fox News, chairman Rupert Murdoch confirmed that a call from a Saudi Prince had resulted in a change in how the Fox News Channel covered the Muslim riots in France in 2005. Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, a significant investor in News Corporation, told Murdoch he objected to highlighting the Muslim role in the riots. Murdoch said the change was made after it was determined that there was a Catholic role in the riots

             
          • Pequot posted at 9:29 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Nothing like obfuscating the issue with a discussion about the meaning of Al-jazeera. It is ALWAYS interesting to read the comments of our far left contingent posting inane drivel and always taking an anti-Miele stance.

            We can only thank God, or our lucky stars if you prefer, that this opportunistic liar and potential traitor failed to be elected president in 2000. Being 'sold down the river ' would be the most gentle of phrases one could use to equate Gore's leadership. This "slug", as another posted as what I would term a compliment, should be quickly scraped off into the dust bin of history.

             
          • capnbutch posted at 9:21 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            capnbutch Posts: 98

            High TechCowboy,

            I was startled to read your text a second time. Again you are right that separating the children is a powerful way to do propaganda and to get a shift in popular opinion.

            The word, "tease" as used in modern education is the best example that I can offer. AAUW and a string of other institutions are openly advocating changes in the definition of this word. One of the cheapest dictionaries, one from Random House, is now using the new definition after 30-years of prodding.

            The new definition includes sex and harassment. You and I know that this is profoundly unreasonable and yet, without input from the population as a whole, the new approach is already being used in schools.

            Here is the way it works; children are taught that any sort of teasing is sexual harassment. This encourages them to make accusations irrationally, accusations that are generally unrelated to sex or harassment.

            It goes pretty smoothly in the grade schools but by the time a kid is hiring on in business, that young person is a threat to the people who created and who own the companies where they work. Young adults casually make accusations against their supervisors and against management.

            Any kind of teasing is considered wrong. Interestingly, there are people who are born without the ability to understand humor of any kind. It is kind of like that Kid in Connecticut who killed all those people; He was born without the ability to feel pain and therefore without the ability to empathize with others. This disability makes the new concept of teasing even damaging.

            Because sexual harassment law in the workplace allows accusers to make complaints without identifying themselves or even describing the alleged affronts, the accused has no practical right to a defense.

            Victims don't talk about it much but the problem is real. If you are unaware, ask around. Only close friends will feel free to discuss.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            capnbutch: Your idea of propaganda being ineffective may be right but I think that when propaganda works properly, we do not know that this is what it is.

            HTC: Good point and one way to 'sneek' things past the public is to make it socially unacceptable to question that propaganda. That's exactly the purpose of 'political correctness' coupled with 'moral relativism.'

            I've often heard it said that our culture has strayed far of course because of the death of shame. Frank alludes to that in today's column as well; but, it seems to me that shame is alive and well and has merely been co-opted by the progressives in order to make people fearful to publicly question their perspectives and policies. Without shame, 'political correctness' would have no power of the public.

            For those who feel compelled to rebel against their cultural tyranny anyway, there's the media, Hollywood and a host of actors who will then engage in the most vile forms of character assassination in an attempt to shut them up. If that doesn't work, they'll go after their family and friends and even their source of income.

            After all, it's important that EVERYONE learn that the First Amendment only protects THEIR right to free speech.

             
          • capnbutch posted at 8:40 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            capnbutch Posts: 98

            High TechCowboy,

            You are exactly right that, "The Fourth Estate has now become the Fifth Column... " I have never seen it stated better though I spent 10-years as a radio station News Director. Many papers openly report opinion as news. That ain't the way it's supposed to be done.!

            Your idea of propaganda being ineffective may be right but I think that when propaganda works properly, we do not know that this is what it is. Propaganda is the means by which every product is sold and every politician is elected.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            capnbutch posted at 7:14 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013

            From my perspective, 'propaganda' has never been terribly effective EXCEPT in the classroom when it is substituted for actual instruction in the facts, reality and history of the world around us. The communists knew this well and knew that the key to molding a generation of compliant citizens was to begin with the kids of those who would never buy their garbage and, in the process, isolate those kids from their parents and their influence upon them.

            The 'progressives' ('digressives' might be more appropriate, given the superficial relevance of their policies and perspectives to reality) figured this out in the Nineteenth Century and have spent decades getting control of our public education system in order to convert it into the important propaganda tool it has now become. With the assistance of much of the entertainment industry and the media, they have already done an excellent job of convincing nearly two generations of the 'evil' and 'folly' of any perspective other than their perspective.

            The Fourth Estate has now become the Fifth Column and represents a far greater risk to the future of our Constitutional Republic than Al Jazeera ever will.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:52 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9885

            Rob123: No it isn't!....It would be interesting if one of the retired generals living in the Flathead would care to maybe get you up to speed, on geography, geopolitics, and the influence of Doha's ruling family and it's history in the Gulf and along the Straits of Hormuz.

            HTC: I think it is YOU who needs to schedule some time with those generals, as Al Jazeera does indeed refer to the Arabian penninsula, NOT the penninsula occupied by Qatar. The media outlet itself has repeatedly made that clear in many ways and if you understood the history of Islam better than you've demonstrated, you'd know why it refers to the Arabian penninsula.

             
          • capnbutch posted at 7:14 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

            capnbutch Posts: 98

            We are all disappointed with Senator Al Gore for his misuse of information to hijack the Global Warming scientific argument and throw it into politics.

            Nonetheless, we know for certain that when we keep people out of dialog, those people become aggressive and often cruel against the rest of us. We might maintain physical barriers but American commerce cannot survive without international dialog of every kind.

            Frank, I'd sure like to see a series of articles on how little we are doing in Afghanistan in that critical matter of propaganda. It looks to me like no matter what military victories we make, we can never win their minds.

            And if we think that winning with power is a complete solution, we think wrong. We will always have conflict.

            We must show that we are willing to listen to them before we can expect them to be willing to listen to us.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:13 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Frank: "The name Al Jazeera literally means The Peninsula in Arabic, and it is a reference to the Arabian Peninsula....."

            No it isn't! Qatar itself is a small peninsula, with 250,000 residents and U.S. Central Command’s Forward Headquarters and the Combined Air Operations Center.

            It would be interesting if one of the retired generals living in the Flathead would care to maybe get you up to speed, on geography, geopolitics, and the influence of Doha's ruling family and it's history in the Gulf and along the Straits of Hormuz. I'm not going to even attempt putting my 2 cents into this little piece of prejudice. It's over-the-top, Frank.

             
          • posted at 1:59 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Who New: The reference to the "50 years ago" was intentional. That brings us to 1962/63. The only figure relevant in your list was Malcolm X, and no, there never was a time when everything was perfect. Free speech has always allowed some criticism of our American systems and institutions, but since the assassination of Kennedy, that criticism has BECOME the institution. --Frank

             
          • who new posted at 12:07 am on Sun, Jan 13, 2013.

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            Frank: “No way, no how such an organization could have ever gotten a foothold in the United States 50 years ago.”

            Ah, yes, the Patriotic 1960s.

            Malcolm X
            Lenny Bruce
            Black Panthers
            Haight-Ashbury
            Che Guevara
            Students for a Democratic Society
            Chicago Seven
            Greenwich Village
            Hippies
            LSD
            Weather Underground
            Easy Rider
            Vietnam War protests
            LBJ
            Medicare
            Watts
            Conscientious objector
            Detroit riots

            In my opinion, the 1960s is not a period of time we should aspire to.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:50 pm on Sat, Jan 12, 2013.

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            Frank Miele comments in paragraph 5:

            "There was a nearly united front against the forces of anti-Americanism. Indeed, strange as it sounds today, we even had representatives in Congress who investigated un-American activities in order to keep us safe."

            http://www.thefinaledition.com/article/the-chickenhawk-diaries.html

             
          • libra42 posted at 9:03 pm on Sat, Jan 12, 2013.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            Well said, Frank. Saying something anti-American in most venues today will get you a round of applause. It's fashionable to bad mouth the US.

            Gore is and always has been the creepiest slug around. This latest move proves it once more.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 8:06 pm on Sat, Jan 12, 2013.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            Listening to Frank is like having a magic eight ball. Every week the US and/or the world as we know it is ending somehow. "Help me Mr. Wizard" he cries as he hopelessly spins deeper into a progressive nation from which there is no return. God and the Koch bros. will help Frank if you just keep believing.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:50 pm on Sat, Jan 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Thank you Frank for an excellent post. I couldn't have said it better.

             
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