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Posted: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:00 pm | Updated: 8:53 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

President Obama’s second inaugural address is now history, and unlike various posthaste pundits, I will reserve to history the right to judge it.

Nonetheless, the occasion of the inauguration does remind us that it is wise to be wary of speeches in general, and their grand pronouncements in specific, for oftentimes rhetoric does not reflect reality.

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          Welcome to the discussion.

          163 comments:

          • Bronco posted at 6:48 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: There should be NO path to citizenship for those here illegally; in fact, there should be no path to a "green card" either, for citizenship or a green card should continue to be granted ONLY to those who immigrated legally. It's a slap in the face to the tens of millions of other LEGAL immigrants to grant the same reward to those who cheated.
            Call it a "yellow card" or whatever, it should require learning English, being gainfully employed, having no criminal history and paying any back taxes which might be due
            ____________________________

            Study estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero

            I bet most of you didn't know undocumented immigrants contributed more - much more - to the national treasury last year than General Electric. Surprised? Yet it's true.
            While GE - which earned a whopping $14 billion last year - is reported to have paid nothing, nada, zero in taxes (GE denies it), the undocumented paid billions in state and local taxes in 2010.

            No, it's not me talking; it's the Institute for Taxation and Economic Policy (itepnet.org), a prestigious, nonprofit, nonpartisan research organization that works on federal, state and local tax policy issues.


            Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/study-estimates-illegal-immigrants-paid-11-2b-taxes-year-ge-paid-zero-article-1.113569#ixzz2JnRyf23c

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:09 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rebel Rouser: The right wings savior and lord gGod almighty recently stated that any new "amnesty" law should (or must) include a 25 year moratorium against voting, thus keeping the newly crowned American citizens from voting for any current parties politician.

            HTC: There should be NO path to citizenship for those here illegally; in fact, there should be no path to a "green card" either, for citizenship or a green card should continue to be granted ONLY to those who immigrated legally. It's a slap in the face to the tens of millions of other LEGAL immigrants to grant the same reward to those who cheated.

            Call it a "yellow card" or whatever, it should require learning English, being gainfully employed, having no criminal history and paying any back taxes which might be due. This card would convey essentially the same privileges as a green card but without there ever being a path to citizenship. It's different color would also show that the person originally broke the law in coming here.

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:35 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete: “Newtown Sides with NRA: Votes for Armed Guards In Schools”
            ------------------------
            I'm OK with the stun guns and tasers. I think the M79 Grenade Launcher has no place in grade school classrooms though. Just knowing the janitor has a napalm flamethrower should deter any psycho who wants to show up ready for mayhem.

             
          • who new posted at 12:55 pm on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Pete: “Newtown Sides with NRA: Votes for Armed Guards In Schools”

            Good for them, a decision made at the local level rather than at the state or federal level. I hate big government mandates, the notion that we should have a federal law requiring law enforcement in all schools is ridiculous. Let the individual school districts make these decisions for themselves.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1563

            "When the strategy for addressing the issues shifts from what's good for the country to what's good for the Republican Party, no shame is too great."

            The right wings savior and lord gGod almighty recently stated that any new "amnesty" law should (or must) include a 25 year moratorium against voting, thus keeping the newly crowned American citizens from voting for any current parties politician.

            Sounds like a good idea to me, although far from a win-win as the American tax payer has been footing the illegals living costs for way too many years. Another paragraph in the law should include a moratorium against collecting any state or federal "freebies" for at least five years.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:05 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            WASHINGTON (AP) — The immigration debate is threatening to split the Republican Party, pitting those who focus mainly on presidential elections against those who care mostly about congressional races.
            Strategists say that if Republicans are to win presidential elections, which they've been losing lately, partly because of dismal support from Hispanic voters, they must soften their rhetoric about illegal immigrants and embrace some version of "immigration reform."
            But granting illegal residents a path to citizenship, which critics call "amnesty," is deeply unpopular in many House Republicans' districts.
            ---------------------------
            When the strategy for addressing the issues shifts from what's good for the country to what's good for the Republican Party, no shame is too great.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:59 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Pete: A teacher with a gun!? A criminals nightmare, a parents hero and a progressives inconvenient truth.

            HTC: Touche! Sadly, the numerous incidents such as this which occur every year will not change the debate because progressives simply aren't capable of logically processing reality.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:52 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Newtown Sides with NRA: Votes for Armed Guards In Schools

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/02/01/Newtown-Votes-To-Put-Armed-Guards-In-Schools

             
          • Pete posted at 10:47 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family

            http://cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-cheapest-obamacare-plan-will-be-20000-family

            I'm still waiting for you Obamacare cheerleaders to explain this away.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:44 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Big brother to log your drinking habits and waist size as GPs are forced to hand over confidential records

            Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2272166/Big-brother-log-drinking-habits-waist-size.html#ixzz2JlTX0kCa

            Let's be just like them....please, please.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:37 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Martin Luther King Jr. High School coach shoots attackers

            Read more: http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/man-shot-near-martin-luther-king-jr-high-school-in-detroit#ixzz2JlQyL0a1

            A teacher with a gun!? A criminals nightmare, a parents hero and a progressives inconvenient truth.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:32 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            The White House has now released a photo which purportedly shows Obama skeet shooting at Camp David in August of last year. The picture shows the shotgun being fired almost at a dead-level position, so if this wasn't staged, the clay pigeon was strangely only a few feet above the ground.

            Maybe Jay Carney was tossing them like a Frisbee?

            There's not a skeet shooter anywhere who won't recognize this picture as a fraud.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:30 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 5:24 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013

            No worries. We just consider the source.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:24 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rob123: I sure hope posting this analysis from the Left doesn't cause any Far Right Republicans to come unglued?

            HTC: Now why would any mature, rational and informed adult "come unglued" over the droning of a raving lunatic?

            One can't help but wonder if the man's gone senile, since he seems to lost any and all comprehension of political history and of the nature of the political spectrum.

            When he refers to the "moderate Republicans of several decades ago, he must be referring to the so-called Rockefeller Republicans who were a significant political force within the party from the '60s through the '70s, until Reaganism overwhelmed their influence within the GOP. While these 'moderates' were comfortable with high taxes and some increased social spending, they were still fiscally conservative and insisted upon balanced budgets. They also favored minimal regulation of business, believing that an unfettered entrepreneural class would lead the economiy into sustained growth and job creation.

            For Chomsky to insist that this description now fits Obama and the Democratic Party is laughable at best. It's probably time for the old fool to retire before he finally destroys what's left of his legacy with his endless far-left claptrap.

            I do have to agree with him on one thing, however; namely, that Obama "has no moral center" and "[hasn't] much in the way of principal (sic) or commitment."

            That sums up Obama's 'character' VERY nicely.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:24 am on Sat, Feb 2, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/01/noam-chomsky-obama_n_2599622.html
            "Noam Chomsky: Obama Would Have Been A 'Moderate Republican' Several Decades Ago"

            I sure hope posting this analysis from the Left doesn't cause any Far Right Republicans to come unglued?
            [wink]

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:43 pm on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            FRI FEB 01, 2013 AT 07:30 AM PST

            National Review outraged that Obama called Holocaust 'senseless violence'
            byJed Lewison

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/01/1183861/-National-Review-outraged-that-Obama-called-Holocaust-senseless-violence

            Where could President Obama have learned this rhetoric? Hint: it was Nancy Reagan's husband.

            National Review media editor Eliana Johnson is outraged. Why? In her words:

            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/339003/president-obama-commemorates-senseless-holocaust-eliana-johnson

            ____________________________________________________

            President Obama issued a statement yesterday to commemorate International Holocaust Remembrance Day. He noted that survivors who bore witness to “the horrors of the cattle cars, ghettos, and concentration camps have witnessed humanity at its very worst and know too well the pain of losing loved ones to senseless violence.”

            Outrage! President Obama said Nazis committed "senseless violence." Clearly, that's something only a left-wing radical Kenyan neo-Marxist anti-colonialist would say. Because, as she says, "Nazism may have been an ideology to which the United States was — and to which the president is — implacably opposed, but it is hardly 'senseless.'"

            Yeah, how dare the president say the result of Nazism was senseless violence, because clearly Nazism made perfect sense. And, as Johnson points out, the president made matters even worse when he "lamented the 'the kind of senseless violence that took the lives' of four Americans in Benghazi."

            How awful. It's simply unacceptable for an American president to describe things like genocide or terrorist attacks on diplomats as "senseless violence." We need to get to the bottom of this, and quickly. We need to know where President Obama learned this disgusting and offensive rhetoric so we can put an end to it. Fortunately, Google has our answer: President Obama's thought crime was inspired by some guy named Ronald Reagan.

            "Those who perished as a result of Nazi terror, millions of individual men and women and children whose lives were taken so senselessly, must never be forgotten." —Ronald Reagan, February 2, 1983

            I have to say, I'm not surprised by this revelation. After all, Ronald Reagan lived in Chicago too. He might even have been Bill Ayers' father.

             
          • Pete posted at 12:34 pm on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:00 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013

            What is amazing to me is that folks are so marinated in STATE dependence that they don't question the verasity of reports by the STATE, for the STATE, evaluating the STATE using STATE generated criteria. But I guess it shouldn't surprise me since most are products of STATE education. The emperor may have no clothes, but he plays a mean game of monopoly.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:25 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IRS: Cheapest Obamacare Family Plan Will Be $20,000 Per Family
            by Matt Cover
            January 31, 2013 | CNS News

            In a final regulation issued Wednesday, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) assumed that under Obamacare the cheapest health insurance plan available in 2016 for a family will cost $20,000 for the year.

            Under Obamacare, Americans will be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty to the IRS.

            The IRS’s assumption that the cheapest plan for family will cost $20,000 per year is found in examples the IRS gives to help people understand how to calculate the penalty they will need to pay the government if they do not buy a mandated health plan.

            The examples point to families of four and families of five, both of which the IRS expects in its assumptions to pay a minimum of $20,000 per year for a bronze plan.

            “The annual national average bronze plan premium for a family of 5 (2 adults, 3 children) is $20,000,” the regulation says.

            Bronze will be the lowest tier health-insurance plan available under Obamacare–after Silver, Gold, and Platinum. Under the law, the penalty for not buying health insurance is supposed to be capped at either the annual average Bronze premium, 2.5 percent of taxable income, or $2,085.00 per family in 2016.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            (*Dailyinterlake.com - Final Posting)


            In The Heat, of The Light

            Over 2,000 years ago, The Holy Word of God would forewarn His Chosen,
            that, like my beloved big-brother Gregory, "...some will be killed...."
            and like myself "....some will be persecuted in city to city".
            Still, unbelievably, over 2,000 years later, not unlike their "faithless and perverse"
            forefathers, rather than learn from their grievous and immeasurably costly mistakes,
            they too, embraced The Darkness, and hated The Light.

            When I returned to Kalispell in early-December, both Earth and Sky -seemingly-
            glistened. With a dazzling-white snow-cover for the former, and on clear-nights,
            a silent symphony of stars, filled the latter. While, Big Mountain -PC police?-
            stood majestically Mount Zion-esque.

            Blessedly for me, a shelter-less brother gave me a nearly-new tent.
            With a frozen-creek near my front-door, I was surround by pristine brightness for
            months. Then slowly, began the thaw with sporadic days and their rays of Light.
            For one particular day, I wore only a t-shirt in sincere appreciation.
            Yet, with slow-thaw in the Flathead, the bright, white covering melted away.
            Exposing, the snow-hidden and unsightly refuse that surrounded my tabernacle,
            and Kalispell.
            It won't be much of a chore -for a former Boy Scout- to clean-up around my camp-site
            what was left-behind by so many others. For Kalispell? Not unlike so many cities and
            towns in "America" - just the dust off my shoes.

            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08
            NOW, The Most Blessed Christ King Yeshua reigns!


             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:18 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            Ha! good one HTC. That reminded me of Mr. Obozo's Nobel prize. For nothing more than the speeches and "hope & change" propaganda. Ya just gotta love that "FESTIVAL OF IDIOTS". Yea! Lt the destruc.....oops, let the TRANSFORMATION continue! Ya know, when Chairman obama is done, ya won't have to envy your neighbor's fine car or truck. He won't have one any more.! Oh, better save what "change" ya might have left. the unions are unhappy with Obama/Demo-care costs. They want taxpayer assistance to pay their premiums.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:28 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Senate Democrats, please listen carefully to the New York Times
            By Erick Erickson
            February 1, 2013

            The editors of the New York Times often come across as school girls at a Justin Bieber concert when it comes to the Democrats. Thursday, they upped their school girl skirt just a bit more for the Democrats. “If ever there were a moment for Democrats to press their political advantage, this is it,” the editors opined. “Political Power Needs to be Used,” the headline read. The editorial board at the New York Times, ten days after President Obama was sworn in, are impatient for the hope and change they expected last time.

            Hilariously, the editorial came out the same week news broke the State Department shut down the office created to shut down Guantanamo Bay, which was supposed to be hoped and changed into oblivion on Day 1 of President Obama’s first term. Hence the impatience for Democrats to finally do something.

            Walter Duranty was a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter for the New York Times. He is famous because he was an apologist for Stalinist extremism in the Soviet Union. Duranty, apologizing for the Stalinist regime, constructed a justification for abuse that revolved around the necessity of autocratic government and a rejection of individual liberty and free enterprise because of the Russian people’s culture. He covered up reports of Russian famine and attacked other journalists for reporting the truth. His reward was the Pulitzer Prize.

            Today it is as if Walter Duranty is ghost writing the Times' editorials. Instead, Andrew Rosenthal, a worthy successor to Duranty’s legacy, is in charge. Rosenthal is the editorial page editor of the Times and culprit of one of the biggest fables ever created by a political journalist.

            In 1992, Rosenthal covered the campaign of then President George H. W. Bush. On February 5, 1992, President Bush visited the National Grocers Association convention in Orlando, Fla. One of the exhibits was, according to Snopes.com, the urban legend debunking website, “a demonstration of NCR’s checkout scanning technology, an event Times reporter Rosenthal turned into a chiding front page story about Bush’s lack of familiarity with the details of ordinary life in America.”

            Rosenthal imagined details of the event, at which he himself was not present. Even the NCR employee who demonstrated the technology to President Bush disputed Rosenthal’s characterization. Other reporters took issue with Rosenthal too, but the Times stood by him. Since his promotion to editorial page editor, Rosenthal has continued imagining up and overseeing others creating fairy tale editorials to champion their favored liberal protagonists and attack conservative antagonists.

            When George W. Bush was president and won re-election with more than 50% of the vote, the Times still insisted Democrats fight and oppose him.

            In 2002, after Republicans made historic mid-term gains in the United States House of Representatives and Senate — only the third such time since the turn of the 20th century — the Times lamented the win and demanded restraint in Washington.

            In fact, while the Times editorial board now demands the Democrats “press their political advantage” because “[their] message … has widespread support, and they have increased their numbers in both houses of Congress,” they used their same editorials after major wins by Republicans in 2002 and 2004, to urge consensus and cautioned Republican majorities against overreach.

            Then the Times' editorial board wanted Republicans to restrain their power because the nation was divided. Now, with a divided Congress and Republican gains at the state level, the Times’ editorial board insists “power needs to be used.” Americans must never accuse the New York Times editorial board of intellectual honesty.

            Never mind that the Republicans kept the House of Representatives. Never mind that the Senate Democrats have several vulnerable Senators up for re-election in 2014 from states Barack Obama lost twice. The Democrats must act.

            Americans should welcome the Times’ editors’ call for the Democrats to do something. According to the editors, the Democrats’ should go big on “taxes, guns, education spending, [and] financial regulation.”

            Yes, please, act on all those items.

            The Democrats in the Senate should raise taxes. House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said last year the Democrats needed to raise taxes even on the middle class.

            The Democrats should try to pass an assault weapons ban.

            They should try to pass more financial regulations.

            They should try it all.

            The House Republicans will never go along for the ride. The American people will see just how far afield the Democrats really are. Then in 2014, the American voters can remind the New York Times editors that most Americans use their paper as a litter box liner, not as a guide Washington should ever follow.

            Along the way, the nation can watch Senators Baucus (Mont.), Begich (Ark.), Hagan (N.C.) Johnson (S.D.), Landrieu (La.), and Pryor (Ark.) — all Democrats up for reelection from states Barack Obama lost in 2012 — painfully squirm, cut deals, and undermine the New York Times’ editorial claim that their preferred policy solutions really are widely supported.

            Please Harry Reid, listen to the New York Times.

            -- Erick Erickson is editor of RedState.com.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:56 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            HTC: "Anyone who denies that we have long been experiencing a decline in real education levels has had their head in the sand for a very long time."

            Why Socrates, I hardly recognized you!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:46 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            King Obama gives the finger to the court:

            EPA raises biofuels target in spite of court order
            January 31, 2013 | AP

            Days after a federal appeals court said the Obama administration is setting overly optimistic production quotas for the struggling biofuels industry, the government issued new standards Thursday that raise production estimates for 2013.

            New standards announced by the Environmental Protection Agency require production of 14 million gallons of so-called cellulosic biofuels made from grasses and woody material. That's up from an 8.7 million-gallon requirement in 2012 -- when actual production was near zero.

            An oil industry representative said the Obama administration was thumbing its nose at a ruling last week by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. The court threw out the 2012 mandate for cellulosic biofuels, saying it was based on wishful thinking rather than accurate estimates for an industry the Obama administration wants to encourage. Administration officials have said that increased use of biofuels could lower greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming, as well as lower U.S. dependence on foreign fuel.

            "The court recognized the absurdity of fining companies for failing to use a nonexistent biofuel," said Bob Greco, director of downstream operations for the American Petroleum Institute, the principal lobbying group for the oil and gas industry.

            Greco said he was astonished that EPA would nearly double the mandate for biofuel in 2013. "EPA needs a serious reality check," he said, calling the mandate a "stealth tax on gasoline" and an "egregious example of bad public policy."

            EPA spokeswoman Julia Valentine said the agency believes the proposed standards "are a reasonable representation of expected production" of biofuels this year.

            "This projection reflects EPA's current estimate of what will actually happen in 2013," she said, adding that EPA will consider public comments before setting the final cellulosic standard.

            The biofuels mandate is part of a 2007 renewable fuels law that requires a certain amount of ethanol and other renewable fuels to be mixed in with gasoline each year. Despite annual EPA projections for millions of gallon of biofuels made from switchgrass, corn husks or wood pulp, little production has materialized.

            According to final EPA estimates, no cellulosic fuel was produced in 2010 or 2011. Only about 25,000 gallons was produced last year.

            Despite that track record, a spokesman for the renewable fuel industry called the 2013 mandate realistic, citing recent breakthroughs in which several long-delayed biofuel projects have come online.

            Two companies, in Mississippi and Florida, have recently begun production of cellulosic biofuel, and dozens more are moving forward, including plants under construction in Iowa, Kansas and Michigan, said Bob Dineen, president of the Renewable Fuels Association.

            Dineen said he understands skepticism from those who have seen promised production of biofuels fail to materialize, but said that after years of setbacks caused by the financial downturn and other issues, the industry is poised for a major breakthrough in 2013.

            "The skeptics should go take a look at the plants" in Mississippi and Florida, he said. "They are in operation."

            Dineen called the EPA's 14 million gallon estimate "conservative." If anything, production should exceed that level, he said, especially if a major project by Abengoa Bioengergy to convert crop residues into ethanol in southwest Kansas goes into operation this year as expected. The $550 million plant is expected to generate 75 megawatts of electricity and 15 million gallons of ethanol per year.

            Dineen said the API and others in the oil industry were "desperately afraid" that biofuels will succeed and threaten the oil industry's dominance.

            "They are trying to sow the seeds of doubt so people don't make investment in these future technologies and they can maintain their grip on the fuel pump," he said.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:43 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rob123: Number of U.S. adults with college degrees hits historic high

            HTC: One of the reasons that SAT scores have again begun to decline is precisely because more students are taking it; hence, we are seeing a broader cross-section of our high school seniors. This is why there's a move under foot to again recenter the scores on 1000 which would, of course, mask this decline for a while longer.

            Anyone who, like me, has been hiring knowledge workers for 40+ years has seen for themselves the dramatic decline in average skill and literacy levels of today's college graduates versus those of 25 or more years ago. Making matters even worse for employers, the sense of entitlement that many of them have is beyond belief.

            Anyone who denies that we have long been experiencing a decline in real education levels has had their head in the sand for a very long time.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:33 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:23 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            http://youtu.be/x4kWLUnorTU

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:23 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: Give Jenny a rest, she has been silent this week ....

            HTC: Your reading skills apparently aren't the best, as you seem to focus more on images than words. If you look above my avatar associated with that post to jennydoe, you'll notice that a certain juvenile delinquent who goes by the handle BRONCO actually posted that.

            Lacking any significant capacity for adult argument, he's fallen back upon his usual childish games.

            Just ignore the moron.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:41 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            kohana: "Please name one country the Jews have invaded......"

            Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I got a little hung up on the Book of Joshua......I'll try to get up to speed. It has been 40 years since my last Western Civ 101 Class. It will take a while to get to the 1940's and the Exodus from Europe and then the Decolonization Wars for Independence and the New Israeli State. It's complicated. Especially being an agnostic and having to deal with all the G_d Talk, real or implied.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:05 am on Fri, Feb 1, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            who new posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.
            Posts: 220
            HTC: “…test scores have long been in steep decline…”
            Reading, slightly down; math, about the same-
            http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_154.asp
            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Number of U.S. adults with college degrees hits historic high
            By Daniel de Vise,February 23, 2012
            Representing a historic high, three in 10 adult Americans held bachelor’s degrees in 2011, census officials reported Thursday.

            College attainment has crept upward, slowly but steadily. In 1947, just 5 percent of Americans 25 and older held degrees from four-year colleges. As recently as 1998, fewer than one-quarter of the adult population held college degrees.

            “We believe this is a notable milestone,” said Kurt Bauman, chief of the Census Bureau’s Education and Social Stratification Branch, during a telephone news conference to announce the data.
            -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Graduating from High School in the mid-60s, my preparation for taking the SAT on a Saturday Morning consisted of being home on a Friday Night by 10:00 P.M.. About 10-15% of my graduating class took the test. The only instruction I received before the test was "If you don't understand the question, go to the next one! Don't linger!"

            Today, the sampling is much larger. The test scores reflect a larger sampling of the general population, IMHO. My oldest son, a Math teacher at a College Prep High School in Oregon, also tutors students for the Math portion of the SAT. Great money! And it's enjoyable, having young, fresh, eager minds trying to Max the SAT, and all there because they want to be.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:06 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            IABD - You seem to suffer a similar impairment, but I think yours may be acute cranial-rectal inversion. Good luck with that.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:58 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. HTC, Have you ever had a hearing check with an audiologist regarding possible hyperacusis due to acoustic shock disorder (ASD) from excessive use of a police bullhorn and target practice without always using proper hearing protection? Your display of anger and rage together with your hypervigilant posts may reflect this rare domestic PTSD which escalated your psychological disorder.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:54 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. HTC, Have you ever had a hearing check with an audiologist regarding possible hyperacusis due to accoustic shock disorder from excessive use of a police bullhorn and target practice without proper hearing protection? Your display of anger and rage together with your hypervigilant posts may be due to your domestic PTSD which escalated your psychological disorder. Give Jenny a rest, she has been silent this week and everyone else is also hoping for a little domestic tranquility.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:01 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            A new Harris Interactive poll shows Ellen DeGeneres as the most popular TV personality among those without a college degree; whereas, for those with a college degree, it was Bill O'Reilly.

            http://www.harrisinteractive.com/NewsRoom/HarrisPolls/tabid/447/mid/1508/articleId/1142/ctl/ReadCustom%20Default/Default.aspx

             
          • Bronco posted at 8:01 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Wait for it...

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:53 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            for jennydoe...

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=522969127725708&set=o.156832574380566&type=1&theater

             
          • Pete posted at 7:22 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Army should fire author of report on conservative terrorism

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/28/army-should-fire-author-of-report-on-conservative-terrorism/#ixzz2JbtCtN32

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:57 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:00 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Mr. HTChickenhawk, what was your scholastic talentum expertus ustulo?

             
          • kohana posted at 4:33 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            State Department Recruits Future Diplomats at Muslim Brotherhood Jihadist Event

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On January 31, 2013

            Because one Huma Abedin just isn’t enough.

            The Obama administration is covertly recruiting Muslims to work at the State Department as Foreign Service officers representing the United States in one of 265 American embassies, consulates and diplomatic missions worldwide. It appears to be part of the administration’s Muslim outreach effort, which includes a variety of controversial moves.

            Ward held a 90-minute seminar at a recent convention sponsored by two groups—Muslim American Society (MAS) and the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA)—with known ties to radical Islam. Both nonprofits are associated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which is known as the parent organization of Hamas and al Qaeda. In fact, the Investigative Project on Terrorism reports that MAS was founded as the U.S. chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood which strives to indoctrinate the world with Islamic Sharia law.

            Yet there was a U.S. State Department official, side by side at a radical Islamic powwow in Chicago with a number of speakers who advocate violent jihad. Among them was Kifah Mustapha, a fundraiser at terrorist organization (Holy Land Foundation) convicted of funneling millions to Hamas and Jamal Badawi, a MAS founder who praised the jihad of Gaza terrorists during a speech titled “Understanding Jihad and Martyrdom.”

            The conference that Ward conducted focused on career opportunities for Muslim youth. Here is how the event was billed: “Besides being a citizenship duty, there are benefits that Muslims can add to the American Muslim community and the global Muslim world by joining the US Foreign Services. This session will shed light on the different career opportunities for Muslim youth in the US Foreign Services Department. It will also clear any concerns that many people have feared about pursuing in this career.”

            What about the concerns of Americans who may be concerned that Obama Inc. has decided to recruit members of Islamist Supremacist groups and supporters of Islamic terrorism into the diplomatic corps of the United States?

            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/state-department-recruits-future-diplomats-at-muslim-brotherhood-jihadist-event/

             
          • kohana posted at 4:14 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            FeralCat responds to an article from The American Thinker:

            "What will it take for the people who should care the most to understand the implications of their apathy?"

            What will it take? How to reach the 70% of American Jews who just voted to reelect Barack Hussein Obama? Let me see now.

            By his 20 year attendance in the rabid anti-Semite and rabid anti-Israel Jeromy Wright's so-called church, by his saying "The Arabic Call to Prayer is the most beautiful sound on Earth", by his celebrating Ramadan in the White House, by his 2009 speech in Cairo praising Islam, by his call to go back to the pre 1967 war borders, by his giving the Muslim Brotherhood and their auxiliaries entrance to the White House, the State Department and even the military, by his deep bowing to the Saudi King, by his declaring "The future does not belong to those who insult the prophet of Islam" - By each of these things Obama's calling was plainly revealed. That all united would fail to enlighten anyone who gives a hoot about Israel is almost inconceivable.

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/01/chuck_hagel_anti-semitism_and_american_jewish_apathy_comments.html#disqus_thread#ixzz2Jb7S3H7y

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:00 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            who new posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013

            If you look at the numbers in the SAT table you posted, you'll notice that scores were in decline until 1994-1995; then, they start to improve a bit.

            What the chart doesn't tell you is that are students weren't suddenly scoring better; in fact, they demonstrated continued decline when the scores aren't "re-centered" on 1000 as was done in 1994-1995 and which is again being considered.

            In other words, the entire "bell chart" keeps being moved towards the lower-scoring end of things as they "re-normalize" the test data. That's why our colleges and universities are reporting what seems like a disconnect between the SAT scores and the percentage of incoming freshman who need remedial reading, writing, math and science instruction.

            Test scores in the sciences have been adjusted the most, obscuring a steeper decline than that in the other areas.

            Standardized testing of secondary students more clearly documents the continued decline which is much worse in some states than others (Montana is one of the better states in these studies.) A majority of the states with the greatest decline in scores are liberal-dominated states such as California and Illinois with D.C. being the worst even though they spend three times the national average per student. In California, nearly 80% of high school seniors can't score "proficient" in reading, writing and mathematics at a ninth grade level!

            But we do ourselves and our children a disservice by only focusing on performance within our country rather than looking at the global picture, since we live in a global economy and compete internationally. A study done by Gary Phillips, chief scientist at the American Institutes of Research, shows that American students are significantly outperformed, especially in math and science, by several Asian nations such as Singapore, Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan. Our students scored comparably to students in countries such as Slovakia and Estonia. We can take little consolation in the fact that we bested students in countries like Egypt, Chile and Saudi Arabia.

            In a world which increasingly values engineers, scientists and other knowledge workers, being significantly outclassed by fast-rising Asia should strike fear in everyone's heart.

            You are correct that the first step toward reforming our educational system has to be returning it to local control but good luck with that effort. States and the federal government have had control for so long that they'll never give it up without one hell of a fight.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:04 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=tribble-panel-rhic-closure&WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20130131

            Decelerating American Physics: Panel Advises Shutdown of Last U.S. Collider

             
          • who new posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            HTC: “…test scores have long been in steep decline…”

            Reading, slightly down; math, about the same-

            http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d11/tables/dt11_154.asp

            HTC: “…and dropout rates are much higher than any other time in my lifetime.”

            Not sure where you’re getting this information-

            http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d12/tables/dt12_116.asp

            Also, with a little research, I think we would find Montana kids do much better in school than the national averages, particularly if Native Americans are excluded (to whom we need a better system of education tailored to them).

            However, I don't disagree with you regarding how much we spend on education. We need to get back to education being a local issue, rather than state or national.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:54 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:08 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            IABD: While you and other ignoramus {sic} were busy telling your kids that the schools were unable to teach anymore, I was telling my daughter to ignore the claptrap and respect the fact that they do indeed want to teach children, that is why they are there.
            HTC: I hope you didn't help your daughter with her spelling or grammar.
            IABD: I assume the Latin for Dummies manual in your Military Acadamy training only used four letter words such as: fool....After failing the latin requirement for the actual military you had to settle with becoming a chickenhawk.

            ig·no·ra·mus [ig-nuh-rey-muhs, -ram-uhs]
            noun, plural ig·no·ra·mus·es.
            an extremely ignorant person.
            Origin:
            1570–80; < Latin ignōrāmus we ignore (1st person plural present indicative of ignōrāre to be ignorant of, ignore); hence name of an ignorant lawyer in the play Ignoramus (1615) by the English playwright G. Ruggle, whence current sense

            Synonyms
            simpleton, fool, dunce, know-nothing.

             
          • kohana posted at 1:29 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Anti-Semitism in Europe

            by Guy Millière
            January 31, 2013 at 5:00 am

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3556/anti-semitism-europe

            "Jews who can do so, leave Europe. Those who do not have the means to leave know they must be extremely careful: it is dangerous again to be a Jew in Europe. It is even more dangerous to be a Jew who supports Israel."

            In 2012, the number of anti-Semitic crimes in France sharply increased. The six-month period that followed the March killings in a Jewish school in Toulouse were particularly harsh. The killer, Mohammed Merah, became a hero in many suburbs, his name on many graffiti. For some people, apparently, shooting children in the head just because they are Jewish is inspiring.

            Although acts such as the killing in Toulouse had no equivalent elsewhere, France is not an exception: statistics show that insults, assaults, and cries of hatred against Jews multiply throughout Europe. Jewish schools, synagogues and Jewish cultural centers are everywhere threatened and urgently require more stringent security measures.

            Political leaders say they are aware of the problem and are determined to act. In November, French President François Hollande said that "the struggle against anti-Semitism is a top priority." Angela Merkel used the same words a few weeks later in Germany. In the beginning of December, after a spike in verbal and physical anti-Semitic incidents in Britain, David Cameron said that he wanted to "tackle Anti-Semitism head on."

            Words such as that were uttered many times in recent decades, but clearly had no effect. They did not reverse the trend.

            When European political leaders and commentators speak of anti-Semitism, they are vague and almost never give more detailed explanations. They never say why anti-Semitism is despicable and dangerous. They perform a sort of abstract ritual that seems more and more detached from reality.

            On the other hand, when European political leaders and commentators are more precise, they generally refer only to a certain type of anti-Semitism: fascist anti-Semitism. Even if fascist anti-Semitism has not disappeared, it is not the most virulent anti-Semitism in Europe now, and no longer involved in much anti-Semitic crime. It is as if they are fighting a sickness by designating only one aspect of the sickness and sparing its most important dimensions.

            European political leaders and commentators almost never speak of the most virulent strain of anti-Semitism in Europe today: Islamic anti-Semitism. They are afraid to combine the two words "Islamic" and "anti-Semitism." They know that if they do, they will be immediately accused of being "racist" and "Islamophobic." They know that Muslim organizations will start to say in the mainstream media that Muslims are being unfairly "stigmatized." They also know that the Muslim population in Europe is increasing quickly, and that some of its members may react with violence.

            There is no fight against Islamic anti-Semitism in Europe today. If a non-Muslim bookseller wanted to sell The Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Paris, Berlin or Brussels, the police would intervene immediately, and he would be arrested and prosecuted. If a Muslim bookseller wants to do the same thing, he can, without risking anything. If a French or a German television station decided to broadcast anti-Semitic programs, it would be shut down, and it would cause a scandal. Islamic TV channels broadcast anti-Semitic programs that attract a wide audience in Europe, and nobody dares talk about it.

            A further cause of anti-Semitism never evoked in Europe is the spread of "anti-Zionism." The "Palestinian cause" and the "suffering of the Palestinian People" have become the main concern of a growing number of Europeans who, strangely, are not interested in the suffering of any other people -- Syrians for example. Israel has become the country that it is fashionable to hate. Widespread hatred of successive Israeli governments in Israel has led to hatred toward the Israeli population, and hatred toward the Jews in general, especially if they support Israel.

            European political leaders and commentators do not fight "anti-Zionism" except when it becomes extreme and when its anti-Semitic dimension becomes impossible to hide. Many seem to have anti-Israel prejudices and consciously or unconsciously contribute to the spread of this hatred.

            Anti-Semitism in Europe today is like a complex dark nebula. It includes remnants of fascist anti-Semitism and increasing levels of Islamic anti-Semitism, with "Anti-Zionism" added to the mix. Fascist anti-Semites, to hide their anti-Semitism, often join "anti-Zionist" movements, where they work hand in hand with Islamic anti-Semites to organize protests against Israel. Islamic anti-Semites use elements of fascist propaganda and disseminate them without any barrier.

            European political leaders and commentators pretend to fight anti-Semitism; some of them might think they really are fighting anti-Semitism. But as long as they will not take into account the whole nebula, and as long as they will not speak clearly of all its components, what they say and what they do will be useless.

            Jews who can do so, leave Europe. Those who do not have the means to leave know they must be extremely careful: it is dangerous again to be a Jew in Europe. It is even more dangerous to be a Jew who supports Israel.

            Jews who publicly despise Israel, or who say that the Jewish people does not exist, are widely praised. What Theodor Lessing called "Jüdische Selbsthass" (Jewish self-hatred), in a book published in Germany in 1930, impregnates the atmosphere again.

            Calling to mind the darkest period of the history of Europe may seem pessimistic. And those who say that history does not repeat itself are probably right, but certain forms of malevolence seem particularly able to find new clothing to survive and thrive again.

            In an interview in a French magazine a few years ago, a man who survived the death camp in Auschwitz said: "In the 1930s, the pessimists found ways to survive; it was the optimists who died."

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 1:15 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Mr. Miele, here's one for EVERYONE in the newsroom/OFFICE:
            Q. What's does the RIAA and the NAA have in common?
            A. Their MASSIVE checks are OVER-DUE.

             
          • kohana posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://davekopel.org/Testimony-Senate-Judiciary-Kopel-1-30-13.pdf

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:08 pm on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: While you and other ignoramus {sic} were busy telling your kids that the schools were unable to teach anymore, I was telling my daughter to ignore the claptrap and respect the fact that they do indeed want to teach children, that is why they are there.

            HTC: I hope you didn't help your daughter with her spelling or grammar.

            No one doubts that most teachers want to teach children and chose their career for the right reasons, but we can't ignore the fact that we're now spending three times more in inflation-adjusted dollars per student than when I went to school, but test scores have long been in steep decline and dropout rates are much higher than any other time in my lifetime.

            The DoD recently reported that nearly three-fourths of 17-19 year old males are unfit for the military, much of it due to poor aptitude testing because of our failed public school system. Colleges and universities report that half of all incoming freshman need remedial reading, writing and math training.

            Does that sound like a healthy, successful public education system to YOU?

            You lefties are always talking about all the things we must do "for the children", the latest being violating law-abiding gun owner's Second Amendment rights; yet, you don't care whether they're actually getting a good education, possibly because you're saddling them with so much debt in your pursuit of your perverted "social justice" that you realize they're futures are toast anyway.

            There is no one more despicable than someone who steals from their children, especially the entirety of their future hopes and dreams.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:56 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Apparently Obama thinks we have enough jobs now, in spite of last week's sharp rise in new unemployment claims, as his administration announced today that he has dissolved his Jobs Council, which last met a year ago and which Obama visited only four times since its creation two years ago. I guess the 25 million unemployed and underemployed don't matter, now that the election is over.

            Jay Carney, when asked why the president only met with the group four times, said that the president' schedule was too full to permit more time with the group.

            Full of what? Endless rounds of golf? Constant campaigning for four years? Big parties at the White House with celebs from all walks of life?

            Clearly addressing the misery of the long-term unemployed and our youth entering the workforce who can't find jobs is not near and dear to this fraud's heart.

            Of course, the Council only came into existence after the shellacking the Democrats got in the 2010 midterm elections, largely due to their focus on passing 'stimulus' and ObamaCare, which the people didn't want, instead of focusing on jobs which the people did want. True to form, Obama created it in order to appear to be doing something about our increasing joblessness while he actually didn't give a rats azz about it at all.

            It's all about politics and building his powerbase. That's all King Obama really cares about.

            But to the Obamatons like IABD, he's still "the only obvious choice."

            Incredible!

             
          • kohana posted at 11:39 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Yes you are anti-Semitic, Israel and Zionist bashing is a form of anti-Semitism.

            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/glossZ.html

            Zion, Zionism
            (Mount) Zion is an ancient Hebrew designation for Jerusalem, but already in biblical times it began to symbolize the national homeland (see e.g., Psalm 137.1-6). In this latter sense it served as a focus for Jewish national-religious hopes of renewal over the centuries. Ancient hopes and attachments to Zion gave rise to Zionist longings and movements since antiquity, culminating in the modern national liberation movement of that name. The Zionist cause helped the Jews return to Palestine in this century and found the state of Israel in 1948. The goal of Zionism is the political and spiritual renewal of the Jewish people in its ancestral homeland.

            So, you are against European Zionists who are pro-Israel?

            “Religious Empire over the lesser people” pray tell Rob, who are the Jews trying to convert to establish a religious empire? Please name one country the Jews have invaded, when they weren’t defending themselves and trying to stay alive, in the past 2000 years?

            Billions of Catholics vs 14 million Jews, and even more billions of Islamist. However, according to you and your catholic propaganda, the few million Zionists in the world are going to develop an evil religious empire.

            As of 2012, there are about 14 million Jews in the world. 40% live in Israel, 40% live in North America, and the rest live in almost every other country on the planet.

            catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=3423824.

            HOW THE JEWS INVADED THE HOLY LAND ... it gave the Zionists a sovereign Jewish state in the Holy Land. ... the centuries-old home of an established people.

            It may be argued that the abiding effects of a war are not always the precise effects intended by the war’s planners. But when two international conflicts, fought within twenty-five years of each other, have both resulted in the establishment and extension of the same two world powers (to the detriment of all others), then there is more than mere chance to be reckoned with.

            Those two powers, the chief two in the world today, are Communism and Zionism. The First World War gave them both a solid footing: the tracts of land they needed if they were to continue. The Communists announced a claim to all of Russia; the Zionists were granted one to Palestine. And World War II more than made good these claims. It gave the Communists the largest empire the world has ever known — stretching from Berlin to the China Sea. More unlikely, it gave the Zionists a sovereign Jewish state in the Holy Land.

            http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=9335

            The world’s Catholic population grew by 1.3% in 2009, reaching 1.181 billion, according to the latest Church statistics, published in the new Annuario Pontifici

            Oh yes Rob, I can see how the Jews are going to established a “Religious Empire” just like the Catholics did, at the point of a sword from the time of Constantine. And, after 2,000 years a million or so Jews managed to return to a little patch of land, 9-71 miles wide, and 263 miles long, they had mostly purchased from the Ottomans, and from where they originated; with the authorization of the French and English. They are now an EVIL WORLD POWER, according to your Catholic propaganda. I can see how well your Catholic upbringing educated you and where your anti-Semitism comes from.
            Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_France

            Did you ever read the “Conquistadors” by Michael Wood? I know it is a big read, but try it sometime. You might want to also try, “The Spanish Inquisition” by Jean Plaidy as well. Then try to find, somewhere in history, where the Jews ever committed such atrocities.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:15 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            "kohana: Your anti-Semitism gushes forth."

            No it doesn't. I am against Europeanized Zionists and, after last weeks election in Israel, it appears the Israeli People are too. It's about time.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:46 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            KOHANA:
            "This would seem to me that you were whining about the lack of consideration by your mother of the horrors you had survived, in favor of the Sydney Opera House. I wasn’t condemning her, but commiserating with you, however you chose to feel insulted."

            Gee, I must have got stuck on "Sorry Rob about how ignorant and naive your mother was.....".

             
          • kohana posted at 9:23 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            · · It's a beautiful day posted at 11:55 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013
            IABD- Did you experience a psychological debriefing after leaving the VietNam war?

            · · Rob123 posted at 3:42 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013
            No.....Left Viet Nam at 8:00a.m.,….The following morning, I was sitting at my house, having breakfast with my Mom, who of course wanted to know what it was like 'over there'. "The new Sydney Opera House is really something! And Sydney is a lot like San Francisco." "Didn't you go to Bangkok too?" "Yes....Twice, in fact! A great cultural experience, Mom. The people are very friendly."

            KOHANA:
            This would seem to me that you were whining about the lack of consideration by your mother of the horrors you had survived, in favor of the Sydney Opera House. I wasn’t condemning her, but commiserating with you, however you chose to feel insulted.

            · · Rob123 posted at 2:18 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013
            You're forceful 'Jewish Mom' and all it's stereotypes comes gushing forth, …

            kohana: Your anti-Semitism gushes forth. My mother was an ordained Christian minister. It took her 9 years of intensive study, and she could speak both Greek and Hebrew, but not French. She is also in the beyond.

            I learned to be a Jewish MOTHER from a book, “How to be a Jewish Mother,” by Dan Greenburg, a training manual published in 1964.

            Pete posted at 5:20 and 6:18 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013
            ROTHFL

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

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            Why Israel Will Rule the New Middle East
            by Arthur Herman
            January 31, 2013

            If you still think the future of Israel looks bleak, think again.

            A few months ago it looked like the Jewish state might not survive until 2013. Rockets were raining down from Gaza; revolution was about to install one Islamicist government in Egypt, and another was poised to take over in Syria. Iran was threatening to finish what Hitler’s Holocaust started, with an atomic bomb. The Obama administration seemed unwilling to stop that happening-- while Israel’s only alternative to nuclear annihilation was a preemptive strike that was bound to start a major shooting war in the Middle East.

            Now, however, Israel’s future may be brighter than ever.

            Iran remains the neighborhood’s unpredictable mad dog, although its nuclear bark is still far worse than its bite. But Israel itself is set to dominate the region like never before. Thanks to the industrial technological miracle known as fracking, Israel is about to become the new energy Mecca of the Middle East, and there’s very little its Arab neighbors can do to stop it.

            Indeed, instead of plotting Israel’s destruction, its Arab neighbors could find themselves courting Tel Aviv’s favor the way the United States and Europe courted OPEC in the 1970's and 1980's.

            What’s tilting the region’s dynamics toward Israel?

            For one thing, the Arab Spring has spawned a chaos and instability in every country it’s touched, that’s going to grind on for years to come. A new report warns that Egypt is on the verge of collapse; Israel’s old adversary Syria, already is. Both are also very likely headed toward economic ruin–as has already happened to Israel’s other foe, Hamas in Gaza, and could hit Iran next.

            Israel is going to be the famous “still point in a turning world”–a world turning in on itself, with little or no energy to spend confronting the Jewish state. And here’s where fracking comes in.

            Hydraulic fracking is, of course, is the technology that uses a high-pressure mixture of water, sand, and chemicals to crack open deep deposits of shale oil and natural gas. It’s single-handedly revived our domestic energy industry–to the point where by 2020 we’ll be the world’s biggest oil producer.

            What many people don’t know is that the land of Israel holds almost 250 billion barrels of oil shale reserves (that’s according to the World Petroleum Council). That’s almost equal to Saudi Arabia’s 260 billion barrels--and as conventional oil sources there and in the Persian Gulf gets harder to extract (it already’s happening) and the cost goes up, Israel will be the new energy frontier of the region.

            It’s already happening. The fracking-savvy Canadians have joined an Israeli energy technology fund, to help companies like Israeli Energy Initiatives begin production of oil shale in reserve-rich areas like the Valley of Elah near Jerusalem; the Russians have signed a deal to help open up the vast natural gas reserves discovered in 2008 and 2009 off Israel’s coast–some 16 trillion cubic feet worth.

            Right now production is still tiny, but as fracking technology continues to advance Israel could soon move beyond its declared goal of energy independence, and become a major oil exporting country–including to oil-poor neighbors like Egypt and Syria and Lebanon.

            The implications are nothing less than staggering.

            Instead of an embattled and isolated outpost of Western democracy, Israel would look like the Middle East’s new economic colossus.

            Instead of shunning Israel for fear of offending oil-rich Arab states, Western Europeans could find themselves beating a path to Israel’s oil shale fields–and rethinking who they want as their ally in the region, and who they don’t.

            That includes the United States. Fracking is changing the world’s economic map; it’s about to change the Middle East. It’s time policy-makers caught up with reality, and realized that our relationship with Israel may be our most important bond to that region’s future.


            -- Historian Arthur Herman is the author of the just released "Freedom's Forge: How American Business Produced Victory in World War II" (Random House May 2012) and the Pulitzer Prize finalist book "Gandhi and Churchill: The Epic Rivalry That Destroyed an Empire and Forged Our Age" (Bantam, 2008).

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

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            The bankruptcy of the Obama-Pelosi 'progressive' agenda
            By Peter Morici
            January 30, 2013

            No one can accuse the Democrats of being the party of personal responsibility. Confronted with an economy that contracted in the fourth quarter, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi blamed Congressional Republicans for obstructing the president’s agenda and creating uncertainty.

            In the wake of the financial collapse, the Democrats took full control of both the Congress and the presidency in 2009 and were presented with an historic opportunity to put their ideas into practice. Unfortunately, the newly elected President Obama and then-Speaker Pelosi treated the situation as a political opportunity to build a Democratic majority rather than an obligation to fix what’s broken in the economy.

            Shrewdly, President Obama cobbled together a broader Democratic coalition by delivering to women free health care services, to Hispanics amnesty for young adults, to younger folks overly generous student loans, to teachers and civil servants subsidies to protect their jobs, to labor unions a rebuke of Simpson-Bowles recommendation that the retirement age be raised, and to his political friends generous subsidies for solar panels, windmills and other whimsical projects. Meanwhile, he cut defense, raised taxes on small businesses, and imposed unproductive regulations on manufacturing.

            No surprise, the revolution of the takers has instigated a strike among the makers. Rather than be slaves -- yoked under burdensome taxes, regulations and endless hectoring from the Left -- small banks aren’t lending but instead are looking to sell out to the Wall Street barons who financed the President’s rise to power. Small businesses are not expanding, and multinational corporations are taking factories and jobs to China and other Asian venues where genuine enterprise and capitalism, paradoxically, is supported.

            Now, Mr. Obama’s tepid recovery is failing.

            When the President campaigned in 2008, he promised to address the huge trade deficits with China and oil, which together sap demand and slow growth and jobs creation, and address skyrocketing health care costs.

            Early in his presidency, Mr. Obama blamed China’s undervalued currency for slow U.S. growth and warned Chinese leaders if they did not cooperate to redress the situation, he could act unilaterally. Liberal economists like Paul Krugman, conservative economists like this author and moderates like the Peterson Institute’s Fred Bergsten all recommended viable courses of action.

            Sadly, the President talks tough in front of friendly audiences and to Republicans when he enjoys the high ground, but brings his kneeling pad when negotiating with Chinese leaders. He has simply done little to reverse the flow of money and jobs to the Middle Kingdom and other venues in Asia.

            In the wake of the Deepwater Horizon disaster, the President punished the entire oil industry to gain political points and appease environmentalists. So much for substantially reducing the oil deficit!

            His most significant accomplishment -- ObamaCare has turned into a massive subsidy for the health care industry and welfare program for working class voters he hopes to secure for the next generation. Health care costs 50 percent more than in Germany -- where outcomes are better -- and health insurance premiums and co-pays borne by business and the middle class keep rocketing.

            Government spending is up over a trillion dollars, the federal deficit is spinning out of control and the country faces a credit downgrade by Moody’s. Former Speaker Pelosi vilifies Republicans for not embracing the President’s “balanced” approach, but he shows no interest in cutting spending and only passion for raising taxes on success.

            America hardly lacks the technology, capital and enterprise necessary to succeed, but unfortunately, it is led by a man hell bent on building a political majority, and with little interest in fixing what’s broke in the economy.


            -- Peter Morici is an economist and professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland, and widely published columnist.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:15 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Here's another reason (as if we needed any more) to ban public employee unions: Firefighter unions are now forcing the termination of professional firemen who live in a different community than the one they serve and who assist that smaller community's volunteer fire department:

            Union bans on volunteer firefighting raise more questions with few easy answers
            by Janet Wilmoth
            Fire Chief Magazine | January 10, 2013

            A volunteer department in western Illinois proudly displays the phrase “Professionally Staffed by Volunteers” on its apparatus. A nearby department is smarting from the loss of a member who was prohibited from volunteering by his career department.

            I thought the two-hatter debate occured only on the East Coast. But it seems to be moving west, becoming a common concern in Michigan and now in Illinois. The International Association of Fire Fighters supports clauses in employment contracts that prohibit union members from volunteering for another department in their off-duty hours. A union firefighter can be fired for volunteering in his or her own community — a restriction that could close the doors on any potential SAFER Grant applications.

            How many volunteer departments trained firefighters who ultimately went on to career departments? The answer is in the thousands. But these same firefighters are unable to work in some of the departments where they live. A career department in a Chicago suburb not only prohibits its firefighters from working as volunteers, it also requires its them to register with the department their off-duty employment.

            The age-old thinking career firefighters who volunteer in their communities eliminate the needs for those volunteer departments to hire full-time responders. But is that the only reason?

            Joe Pawlis, a union representative in Illinois, explained that the union supports and favors full-time firefighters. Career firefighters must pass background checks and physical agility tests, and meet training and education requirements, which aren't always offered by volunteer departments. Pawlis told of a responder who could not pass the physical agility test to join a career department; volunteering allowed him to serve as a firefighter.

            “Firefighting isn’t a hobby, and we are committed to the job as well as to the training that comes with it,” he said. “It’s about the quality of employees that we’re looking at,” Pawlis added.

            Firefighters face dangers beyond the incident scene; research shows higher rates of cancer and other illnesses in firefighters, which has prompted more NFPA standards and presumptive laws. Do volunteers face fewer risks because they have other full-time occupations? Do career firefighters accept that the risks are just part of the job? There are no easy answers.

            I recently spent some time at several volunteer and paid-on-call fire departments in communities that would have no coverage without volunteer firefighters. But they don't get to take advantage of the knowledge and expertise that career firefighters could bring. This is a problem that will not be solved quickly or easily.

            I once volunteered answering phones in a surgical waiting room at a local hospital. The hospital workers didn’t like the volunteers; they felt that many of the volunteers were taking jobs that could be paid positions. Perhaps this problem is more widespread than we think.

            Volunteering for community service is a very American way of life. Why limit an American’s opportunity to give back to his/her community? If your full-time job can benefit your local community, why not? Yet I can’t imagine a career firefighter watch his neighbor’s house burn as he stands by with his hands in his pockets.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            So, did you see in the news the other day where the Chief Actuary for Social Security announced that the disability portion of the SS 'trust' fund will likely be exhausted BEFORE Obama completes his second term? Seems SO many people haven't been able to find jobs in Obama's jobless 'recovery' that they've filed for SS disability and intend to permanently leave the workforce and let Obama feed them for the rest of their lives; of course, they'd better not plan on living for long because the country will go bankrupt long before most of them are dead.

            I put the word 'trust' in scare quotes because a vault full of IOUs instead of real cash, especially when you're already borrowing over $1.2T a year, is hardly deserving of the word; but, those are the kinds of word games our spineless 'leaders' in Washington love to play.

            Even now, they still refer to SS and Medicare as being solvent, even though both of those programs have had to start dipping into their jar of IOUs for a few years now. Fortunately, those jars have tens of trillions of dollars worth of IOUs in them, so we can all rest better at night, knowing that those social programs have first dibs on money that we don't have.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:22 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            As evidenced below, the rules, regulations, bias, and regime "transformed" propaganda continues. Meanwhile - more decrees from King Obama now aimed at killing the American fishing industry. Well, obamatons, enjoy the fruits of your votes and/or other fraud. Too bad.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:18 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Herr HTC, do you see Kohana at the Klan rally's much? Or what about Sam? You know, the guy that Reb threatened to castrate the other day? He show up at the neo-Nazi parade too? I bet it was funny watching a libertarian trying to walk in lock-step with a bunch of socialists huh? Kind of like herding cats. And wait until they find out Kohana has JEW blood. Oh boy. No soup for her either. Then you have RLS, JB, Bill, etc...how the heck do you guys even agree on the color of the sheets?

            Well at least you all have one thing in common. You love the STATE. You believe in STATE-Corporate Partnership, you believe in STATE owned enterprises, you believe the STATE can make you buy stuff, you believe the STATE can make you sell stuff, you believe the STATE should educate you, medicate you, and tell you what to eat. You believe the STATE will save you from yourselves. You believe in creating gun-free ghettos where minorities can kill themselves off under murals of your Nobel Peace Prize winning LEADER. You teach our children to sing songs about your LEADER because you believe he is the second coming. (Particularly funny because you don't believe in the 1st coming) You believe in drones over Afganistan and drones over Nebraska, because an enemy of the STATE is an enemy of the STATE. You believe all wealth belongs to the STATE...and it has the moral authority to decide how that wealth is distributed. You believe that when someone disagrees with the above statements, they can "love it or leave it". You believe....

            What....????? What do you mean that's what the other guys believe? But I thought....? Oh boy.

             
          • Pete posted at 5:20 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 2:18 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013

            "Dreams of Religious Empire over the lesser people?"

            Yea...Kohana is a religious racist - I see that a lot in her posts. I'm glad you stood up like the big man you are and pointed that out. Bully for you, bully for you.

             
          • Pete posted at 5:06 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            laker1 posted at 10:41 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            Your welcome...I'm always happy to turn put your snarky ignorance on display. [smile]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:18 am on Thu, Jan 31, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            kohana posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.
            Kay: "Sorry Rob about how ignorant and naive your mother was about what was happening in Vietnam. I had two brothers and several cousins, one of whom was killed, and one who died later from the results of agent orange, and I knew exactly what they were suffering."

            I'm not sure how to respond to this? You're forceful 'Jewish Mom' and all it's stereotypes comes gushing forth, but I will leave comment concerning this to late night Jewish Comedians. Of course, I could always go down to the Catholic Church, light some Votive Candles and get in contact with my Mom, who will come back and defend herself, in French! Maybe tell you about her Uncle and Cousins who fought in Viet Nam in the 50's, and the big dream of a new French Catholic Colonial Era? Of course, you would have to learn French, since she tended to drop into her native tongue when excited or talking politics. I'm sure you two would actually enjoy talking about your Dreams of Religious Empire over the lesser people? Of course, you two would want to stay clear of "The Messiah is Coming!" vs "The Messiah is Coming BACK". A lot of bloodshed over that little jewel. [sad]

             
          • laker1 posted at 10:41 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            Pete,

            Thank you. That high school students in San Diego no longer get credit towards graduation for learning how to shoot BB guns certainly foreshadows the fall of the American republic.
            [smile]

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:57 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, You refer to educators as an elite group of liberals. While you and other ignoramus were busy telling your kids that the schools were unable to teach anymore, I was telling my daughter to ignore the claptrap and respect the fact that they do indeed want to teach children, that is why they are there. The parents who repeat your diatribe at home have a negative influence on their children's future when they listen to the bs. How can you possibly have any positive effect for the advancement of education and the future of children in society other than introducing firearms and changing a light bulb? All of your values show hostile antisocial tendencies that create tension and disharmony. Get over it. Your man Romney and the NRA lost.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:18 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:55 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            Assuming we are not off topic, may I ask are you preparing to change the lighting for the next inaugural auguring for your libertarian Illuminati NRA neoconservative neanderthals? If that is the case, your wonderbulb may likely explode in your face before then.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:04 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            It's a beautiful day posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            I forgot to mention that the "hybrid bulb" your link refers to are properly called "hybrid CFLs". I was referring to "hybrid halogen incandescents" which have no CFL component and will soon be more efficient than CFLs. The incandescent is far from being dead, but the same can't be said for CFLs (fortunately.)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:55 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: Even if this year's hybrid halogen incandescent bulbs were to contain no mercury, they are not manufactured in the United States. They would still contain halogen gas which is toxic and explosive.

            HTC: I hope you didn't tutor your daughter on chemistry, because your knowledge of the subject is pathetic at best.

            Halogen lamps have never used mercury and typically contain a tiny amount of either iodine or bromine gas which causes much of the tungsten evaporated off of the filament to be redeposited back on it. This allows the filament to be run much hotter, causing it to give off more light. It also lengthens the lifespan of the bulb.

            Iodine and bromine are toxic in larger quantities, but you're exposed to much more of those gases in medical tinctures and swimming pools than you'll ever be exposed to by halogen bulbs.

            Are there a lot of Luddites in your family?

            IABD: Can we reasonably assume you own many shares of GE stock?

            HTC: I don't own any GE stock whatsoever, not because it's a bad investment but because my personal ethics won't allow me to invest in companies in bed with Obama and his bull$hit 'green' agenda and who've been rewarded for their poltical fidelity at taxpayer expense by being given exclusive tax treatment by Harry Reid, Baucus and other Democrats which allows GE to legally move its profits offshore and pay NO U.S. income taxes.

            This has allowed GE to avoid taxes on tens of billions of dollars of profits. One of the reasons Obama saw to it that GE got this favorable treatment was in return for the Chairman and CEO of GE, a staunch Democratic and Obama supporter, getting out there and endorsing and supporting ObamaCare as a 'good' thing. The appeal in that message coming from GE was due to the fact that GE has several divisions which would be subjected to the new taxes on medical device manufacturers, so it sounded good to have their Chairman and CEO out there reassuring everyone that these new taxes were a good thing and weren't going to hurt jobs.

            That is, right up to when GE recently announced that they are now moving those divisions and jobs to China so they can avoid those taxes.

            You're betting on the wrong horses and are too ignorant to realize it. The GOP aren't saints but they look like saints when compared to Obama/Reid/Baucus and company!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:01 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            IABD- Even if this year's hybrid halogen incandescent bulbs were to contain no mercury, they are not manufactured in the United States. They would still contain halogen gas which is toxic and explosive.
            Can we reasonably assume you own many shares of GE stock?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:44 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            IABD: Hybrid halogen incandescent technology still contains mercury. I am content with LED for safety reasons. If they break or explode they pose a health safety risk.
            HTC: Good thing your daughter taught you and not the other way around. You're dead wrong about halogen bulbs containing mercury. No doubt you got that 'fact' from the same place you get your other 'facts.'------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            http://www.ecogeek.org/efficiency/3480-hybrid-bulbs-combine-cfl-and-halogen-bulb-features

            The hybrid bulbs have an expected lifetime of 8,000 hours, about 8x as long as incandescent bulbs, and close to the expected life of regular CFLs. Additionally, these hybrid bulbs have a lower level of mercury than most currently available CFLs. The hybrid bulbs contain just 1 mg of mercury, while most current CFLs have 1.5 to 3.5 mg of mercury.

            Your Green Efforts May Be Unlawful
            written by Michael Suleiman, April 20, 2011

            The solution that saves energy and reduces greenhouse gas emissions – those curly compact fluorescent light bulbs {CFLs} are replacing Edison’s original round bulbs and are seen everywhere, from local grocery stores to our homes. But what you may not know is that sealed inside each little bulb, a hidden danger is lurking, one that involves special handling and disposal and can possibly harm you and your family.

            Everyone’s heard of Mercury, not the planet… the metallic element. Hg on the Periodic table, Mercury is a highly toxic, developmental neurotoxin that can damage the brain, liver, kidneys and central nervous system. In 2007, Mercury ranked number three on the list of hazardous substances as outlined by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry {ATSDR} and the Environmental Protection Agency {EPA}. Every form of it is toxic and yet mercury is an essential element in millions of fluorescent lamps throughout the world. The Mercury from just one fluorescent bulb can pollute 6,000 gallons of water beyond safe levels for drinking!

            Read the rest here:

            http://blog.ecoellies.com/2011/03/10/your-green-efforts-may-be-unlawful/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:21 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: Hybrid halogen incandescent technology still contains mercury. I am content with LED for safety reasons. If they break or explode they pose a health safety risk.

            HTC: Good thing your daughter taught you and not the other way around. You're dead wrong about halogen bulbs containing mercury. No doubt you got that 'fact' from the same place you get your other 'facts.'

            IABD: Why are we reducing postal employees but increasing policeman?

            HTC: We're reducing postal employees because this new age of electronic communication has caused a dramatic decline in postal traffic. Ask your daughter to explain it to you.

            As for increasing the number of law enforcement personnel, wouldn't you want that to occur as the population grows? Nationally, the number of sworn officers per 1,000 residents has remained steady at around 2.3 officers and it has been steady for the last 30 years. We're adding cops, but only in order to keep up with population growth.

             
          • Pete posted at 2:20 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            laker1 posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            "Ahem, I don’t know what HTC is talking about..."

            Sometimes it's just that simple.

            http://www.sdnews.com/pages/full_story?hash=comments_1973377&page_label=BBP_home_news&id=1973377&article-District-cuts-marksmanship-program-in-schools%20=&widget=push&instance=BBP_right&open=&

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:04 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            laker1 posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            It's always amusing to observe the banter between the members of the asylum.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:47 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            Hybrid halogen incandescent technology still contains mercury. I am content with LED for safety reasons. If they break or explode they pose a health safety risk. They don't need to be in schools nor are firearms or policeman either. Why are we reducing postal employees but increasing policeman? Houston, I think we have a communication problem.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:12 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            Q. How many NRA members does it take to change a light bulb?

            A. 3 One to give up the old bulb when they pry it from his cold dead fingers, one to screw it in and pose for an "I'm the NRA" ad while doing so, and one to complain about the waiting period.

             
          • laker1 posted at 12:56 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            IABD:
            Ahem, I don’t know what HTC is talking about because, as often is the case, I am not sure HTC knows what he is talking about but maybe this will help.

            There has been a program called Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps, https://www.usarmyjrotc.com/ since 1916. When I attended boarding school (and dinosaurs ruled the earth), the school had such a program though it had been a military academy since the 1850’s.

            My school left the JROTC program in 1974. Needless to say, there was considerable discussion among the alumni about this decision. If I remember correctly, the school offered three reasons. First, during the draft, JROTC had given graduates an advantage in required military service. For example, I got a year’s credit in Senior ROTC. With a volunteer army, this was not such an advantage. Second, since 1964, the US Army had required the schools to pay the instructors. Third, with the defeat of the US in Vietnam, from being an asset in marketing the school, the JROTC program had become a deficit. Though many of the faculty were veterans, my impression when I was there was that most thought our time would be better spend learning Latin and a little Greek.

            As far as being “expensive holding facilities for unwanted, incorrigible boys from families of the libertarian elitists”, the only school in Montana with a JROTC program I can find is Lodge Grass High School. I think Flathead High School had a program but does not now. I don’t think that either of these quite fit your template. I must admit to some problems with the notion of libertarians sending their children to a military school but then I have run across some retired military and police who are great fans of Ayn Rand. Go figure.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:52 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Pete: Haven't you heard? Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are the new scapegoats. I guess you didn't get the memo? No soup for you!

            HTC: Silly me. I apparently allowed myself to fall a bit behind on modern mythology.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            The future of lighting technology:

            http://ntbpdf.techbriefs.net/2013/LT0113.pdf

            Be sure to check out the new hybrid halogen incandescent technology which will soon be more efficient than CFLs and eventually overtake LEDs as well.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:35 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 11:30 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            IABD- Being a Mr. Mom was tough. My daughter ended up teaching me everything from grade school through high school all over again as well as being a volunteer math tutor with the grade schools. My daughter worked very hard for her grades, respected all of her teachers and carried a backpack with 40lbs of books daily. She did a wonderful speech presentation in High School on Snoopy, and I love her dearly.

             
          • Pete posted at 12:19 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            kohana posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            I see you haven't gotten the memo either....its the weather silly.

            "Center for American Progress’ Christie Hefner: Climate change a factor in Chicago’s murder rate"

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/30/center-for-american-progress-christie-hefner-climate-change-a-factor-in-chicagos-murder-rate/#ixzz2JUK45hAA

             
          • Pete posted at 12:15 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:07 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            "But the Obamaton's will still blame this on Bush and the GOP; after all, there truly is no fixing stupid."

            Haven't you heard? Rush Limbaugh and Fox News are the new scapegoats. I guess you didn't get the memo? No soup for you!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:07 pm on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Pete: GDP Shows Surprise Drop for US in Fourth Quarter

            HTC: The numbnuts who reelected Obama are in for a wild ride but are simply too stupid to know it yet. With the additional dowward pressure on the economy being exerted by ObamaCare's 2013 additions, as well as the recent tax increases, and coupled with continue decline in exports as the EU sinks deeper into recession, this quarter is likely going to look much worse than Q4 of 2012.

            But the Obamaton's will still blame this on Bush and the GOP; after all, there truly is no fixing stupid.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:57 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rob123 posted at 10:20 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            That is a very sad story indeed. But that is the tragic reality of Chicago which has among the strictest gun control laws anywhere in the nation; yet, their children would be safer in Afghanistan than they are on the streets of Chicago.

            Chicago had nearly 500 gun-related homicides last year, with over 99% of them committed using a handgun even though handgun ownership has been banned in Chicago for a very long time. While homicides have been in steep decline in most of the U.S. for many years now, they are sharply on the rise in Chicago.

            An overwhelmingly Democratic city where the Democratic Party has long had a lock on government is the nation's premier killing field for our children. NONE of the gun control laws being promoted by that party in response to Newtown would have prevented that shooting nor would it reduce the sea of blood on the streets of Chicago.

            Yet, the MSM remains mum on Chicago's horrendous problem because to call attention to it would be to point out the absurdity and fecklessness of Rahm Emmanuel's and Obama's approach to the problem. Instead, they are bound and determined to infringe on the Second Amendment rights of responsible gun owners who have never been a problem.

            Either Emmanual and Obama are two of the stupidest people on the planet, or they have a hidden agenda.

             
          • Pete posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            bill39 posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013

            "I figure the guy is about 20 something."

            "It" is a caricature. FYI

            [wink]

             
          • kohana posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Wonder if Mayor Rahm Emmanuel demands will actually succeed in making the gangs give up their guns. Maybe with all the money received from the “buy back” the gangs could invest it into knives, chains, brass knuckles, and other weapons and go back to the gang wars of the 50s and 60s. Ya’ think? Probably not, as the gang wars are for territory to sell their drugs and to control their hookers. Maybe drugs and prostitution should be made illegal. Any possibility for a buy back program for them?

            Sorry Rob about how ignorant and naive your mother was about what was happening in Vietnam. I had two brothers and several cousins, one of whom was killed, and one who died later from the results of agent orange, and I knew exactly what they were suffering.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:30 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            bill39 posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013
            HTC: Sixty-something and you still don't know that?

            Bill39: I figure the guy is about 20 something.

            He actually has a daughter in med school, but she inherited her intelligence from her mother.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:20 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            A plethora of great research material on narcissists:

            http://www.softpanorama.org/Social/Toxic_managers/index.shtml

            Rob123 posted at 10:20 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013
            IABD- It is truly sad indeed...

             
          • bill39 posted at 10:59 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1050

            HTC: The media's silence in this matter is very telling. They are now the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party and no longer deserving of the title "journalist."

            The word "traitors" fits more appropriately than journalists.

            HTC: Sixty-something and you still don't know that?

            I figure the guy is about 20 something.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:40 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Chicago murders top Afghanistan death toll

            City where no handgun purchases allowed sets pace for violence

            Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/chicago-murders-top-afghanistan-death-toll/#zZfBhFArQUtS4ZzG.99

            Isn't this is about the point where Rahm gets a Nobel Peace Prize...????

             
          • Pete posted at 10:36 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            GDP Shows Surprise Drop for US in Fourth Quarter

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/100419252

            Surprised? Sure...like a kid who eats all the M&M's then holds the bag up-side-down and shakes it. What the heck happened? Sheesh.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:20 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/30/1514321/teenager-who-performed-at-obamas-inauguration-ceremony-is-the-latest-victim-of-chicago-gun-violence/

            Very sad......

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:18 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:58 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            What would you do if the government passed a law requiring mandatory military service for all NRA members regardless of age? The military spending budget has been deeply cut. We all must make great sacrifice in these trying times. Would you do your duty and serve, or burn your NRA card along with your fellow chickenhawks at the next Klan rally?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HTC: "Why do suppose that the liberal elite who run most of public education have long ago eliminated giving students a firm foundation in our Constitution and the writings of the Founders while they also eliminated shooting ranges and marksmanship classes from school grounds?"

            IABD- Was it your constitutional right to possess a firearm at school? Private military academies are often regarded as expensive holding facilities for unwanted, incorrigible boys from families of the libertarian elitists. Where was it that you attended?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:18 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

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            Judge rules in favor of ICE agents suing Obama
            by Jim Kouri
            January 28, 2013

            Federal Judge Reed O’Conner ruled on Friday that 10 ICE agents and officers indeed do have standing to challenge in Federal court the so-called Morton Memo on prosecutorial discretion and the DREAM directive on deferred action.

            The agents filed their complaint in October, charging that unconstitutional and illegal directives from DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano and ICE Director John Morton order the agents to violate federal laws or face adverse employment actions. This is a major first step for the ICE agents in their case against the administration!

            In his 35-page decision, Judge O’Conner found that the ICE agents and officers have standing, but that the State of Mississippi does not. He has not yet ruled, however, on the agents’ motion for a preliminary injunction to halt implementation of the DHS directives.

            The primary impetus for the lawsuit came last June, when Secretary Napolitano issued a memo offering deferred action and employment authorization to illegal aliens under age 31 who meet certain criteria similar to those outlined in the DREAM Act, which has failed to pass Congress on three occasions.

            Even before that, though, ICE Director John Morton essentially gutted immigration enforcement by issuing a memo on prosecutorial discretion that, in effect, prohibits ICE agents and officers from arresting or removing any but the most violent criminal aliens. Under Morton’s stated policy, most of the 12 million or so illegal aliens that the administration wants to legalize are currently safe from deportation.

            This is just one of the reasons that the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council voted unanimously that they have no confidence in Morton’s ability to lead the agency. Aside from ordering ICE agents to not enforce federal immigration laws, Morton has also gutted worksite enforcement and the 287(g) program, which is a cooperative effort between local law enforcement and federal immigration agents.

            The 10 Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents filed a federal lawsuit against the Obama administration seeking an end of President Barack Obama’s new non-deportation policy derided as Obama’s Dream Act Light by opponents of his illegal immigration policies, according to the ICE agents’ union.

            The ICE agents filed the lawsuit in federal court in one of the state’s most affected by the Obama policy — Texas. The agents allege that President Obama’s policies have reduced the number of illegal aliens who will be deported back to their country of origin.

            The ICE agents allege in their lawsuit that the Obama executive order causes a confusing situation in which they must choose between enforcing federal laws and being disciplined by their commanders, or obeying their supervisors thereby violating oaths of office and a Clinton administration law — passed by a bi-partisan Congress in 1996 — that mandates the deportation of illegal aliens.

            Kris W. Kobach, the secretary of state in Kansas, is representing the ICE agents in their lawsuit. Kobach has been a leading voice in support of state immigration legislation such as Arizona’s controversial law.

            In the 20-page legal complaint, the agents state they’ve been ordered to ignore an entire category of illegal aliens. The agents allege they were told to stop requesting proof of citizenship or immigration status.

            “Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and her underlings want their agents and officers to just take the word of an illegal alien without verifying his or her statement,” said former police commander David Scher. “It’s as ridiculous as releasing a suspected bank robber who states he didn’t commit the robbery without any verification by police officers,” he said.

            U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agent Christopher Crane, President of the National Immigration and Customs Enforcement Council, the union representing America’s more than 7,000 ICE agents and personnel, and Border Patrol agent George McCubbin, President of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing America’s more than 17,000 border agents and personnel, both blasted President Barack Obama’s de facto “Dream Act,” and the actions of superiors at their respective agencies.

            “The Administration claims it has diligently enforced immigration law and that the border is ‘more secure than ever.’ But those on the front lines know this to be untrue. They see the violence, chaos and lawlessness. They have lost confidence in the leadership of their agencies,” according to the outspoken Agent Crane.

            “This administration has engaged in a sustained, relentless effort to undermine America’s immigration laws. They have handcuffed and muffled those charged with protecting the public safety and the integrity of our borders. Such action has not only weakened our security but our democracy, as well,” he stated.

            “All Americans, immigrant and native born, will have a better future if our nation remains unique in the world for the special reverence it places on the rule of law and fairness in our immigration system,” Crane stated.

            “It‘s impossible to understand the full scope of the administration’s changes, but what we are seeing… concerns us greatly,” Crane said.


            Jim Kouri, CPP, is founder and CEO of Kouri Associates, a homeland security, public safety and political consulting firm. He’s formerly Fifth Vice-President, now a Board Member, of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, an editor for Conservative Base, and a columnist for the Examiner.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:11 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: I hope you don't believe the 2nd amendment trumps the 1st amendment.

            HTC: The Second Amendment doesn't 'trump' the First Amendment; rather, it exists to ensure its survival, along with the rest of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution itself.

            Sixty-something and you still don't know that?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            mooseberryinn: These days, Such debate could be ended if Americans educated themselves as to the words of our constitution, and writings from our country's founders. Wouldn't hurt if they knew something about guns also.

            HTC: Why do suppose that the liberal elite who run most of public education have long ago eliminated giving students a firm foundation in our Constitution and the writings of the Founders while they also eliminated shooting ranges and marksmanship classes from school grounds?

            Coincidence?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:01 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: When Will These Senseless Gun Debates Come To An End?

            HTC: Did you intentionally neglect to credit that satirical piece to The Onion?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:58 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rick Spencer: You can live in your world of dreams and I will protect you so that you can continue with your fantasies. That is America and It is as simple as that, so you better hope that I stay healthy. RLS

            HTC: Thanks again for your service, Rick. I hope you do stay healthy and enjoy a long, happy retirement.

            One of the annoying aspects of our form of government is that people like IABD who, if they had their way, would quickly be the death of our republic and personal liberty, continue to enjoy their freedom only because there are those (like you) who are far better men/women than they and who dedicate themselves to protecting our republic and our personel liberties.

            The salt in the wound for those brave and dedicated citizens is that people like IABD do not thank them for their service but rather insult and ridicule them instead.

            But that, ultimately, is the mission of the left: to destroy all that is good and right and which took mankind millenia to develop. Of course, that is not their stated purpose, but it is the end result of their idiotic, childish and selfish pursuits if they are allowed to go unchecked.

            They are a cancer on civilization and you know what inevitably happens if you try to live with cancer.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:42 am on Wed, Jan 30, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            IABD- Did you experience a psychological debriefing after leaving the VietNam war?

            No.....Left Viet Nam at 8:00a.m., flew to Tokyo with 100 strangers and one buddy from my unit, took on some fuel, flew to McChord AFB in Seattle, landing at 9:00a.m. the same morning.......Herded around all day for out-processing paper work and a clean Dress Uniform, and discharged from the Army around 5:00 p.m., with a free bus ride to SeaTac Airport. An efficiently run McNamara assembly line.
            The following morning, I was sitting at my house, having breakfast with my Mom, who of course wanted to know what it was like 'over there'. "The new Sydney Opera House is really something! And Sydney is a lot like San Francisco." "Didn't you go to Bangkok too?" "Yes....Twice, in fact! A great cultural experience, Mom. The people are very friendly."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:55 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Rob123 posted at 3:01 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            Rob123- "As a polite middleclass young man who went to Boot Camp and learned the Army Way of killing for the State, the answer to your question is quite simple: actual killing of another human being is quite difficult, in real time with real bullets. Behavioral Psychologists have worked on this for a long, long time, and found the best way is to dehumanize the enemy by calling them derogatory names and associating them with certain animals that are frowned upon in the culture. The surprising thing is how easy this is accomplished. Sure, some people don't buy it and are ridiculed as "Mommy Boys' and recycled back through Basic Training for one more try. But many, many give up their learned Human Nature and actually get into, and are successful at, killing. It's ugly, and usually turns into a Self-Survival mode at the Squad or Platoon Level, then it's over and one fly's home and gets to figure out how to live with it the rest of one's life. With suicide rates among Active Duty Military Personnel now 2 times greater than combat deaths (2012), one could say we are doing a horrible job?"

            IABD- When you stated: "It's ugly, and usually turns into a Self-Survival mode at the Squad or Platoon Level, then it's over and one fly's home and gets to figure out how to live with it the rest of one's life."

            IABD- Did you experience a psychological debriefing after leaving the VietNam war? For those soldiers returning from the Afghanistan War today a psychological debriefing period for preventing post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) takes place. Many soldiers must endure shock treatment to accomplish this. The memory flash backs of the trauma and horror eventually will still come back to haunt them forever.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:01 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            mooseberryinn posted at 9:48 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013

            I hope you don't believe the 2nd amendment trumps the 1st amendment. My earlier post
            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013, was not an actual mandate from Wayne LaPierre of the NRA to it's mindless minion. This was satire from the Onion. Don't let it go to your head.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:52 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            iabd 12:34 1/29. post.
            sorry, you're wrong (again). but, no surprise there.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:48 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            past history, not so long ago, has shown gun control debate was very effectively silenced by way of Government involvement in Hilter's Germany, Stalin's Russia, Chairman Mao's China, Pol Pot's Cambodia. etc. etc. These days, Such debate could be ended if Americans educated themselves as to the words of our constitution, and writings from our country's founders. Wouldn't hurt if they knew something about guns also.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:46 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 7:37 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            RLS- "La La Land where the Left lives never seems to leave most of those imbued with the false premise that mankind can live in a peaceful world designed by the elites."
            IABD- Elite is a french word for ruling or upper class.

            RLS- "Peace is so complex that it is beyond humanity’s reach and is considered merely an invention of the international bourgeois community."
            IABD- Bourgeouis is a french word for midde class.

            Mr. Spencer, In other words peace cannot be waged without a lower class to design and rule it, and as long as you live, you can't ever let that happen. It wouldn't be prudent. Not in your New World Order.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:39 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            When Will These Senseless Gun Debates Come To An End?
            COMMENTARY • Opinion • ISSUE 49•05 • Jan 28, 2013
            By Wayne LaPierre, NRA CEO

            We live in a great country. Between our democratic values, constitutional freedoms, and rich traditions, Americans enjoy immense privileges and benefits that allow us to enjoy the highest standard of living in the world. But, my friends, there is one area where I would like to say “Enough is enough.” For all our pride and progressivism, America still has a well-documented history of gun debates spanning back centuries—shocking and horrific debates that, despite our best efforts, show no signs of abating.

            So, as a concerned American living in the 21st century, I must ask: What will it take for these senseless gun debates to end?

            The answer is not a simple one. Sadly, the United States is a culture in which gun debates are deeply embedded and ingrained, with American children witnessing thousands and thousands of discussions on gun control and regulation by the time they are grown. For countless numbers of youths, these discourses on proper policing of handguns and rifles have become simply a fact of life. Why, it seems like everytime I turn on the television I see that some crazed reformer in Washington has unleashed yet another horrific gun debate, presenting their legislative arguments to dozens of colleagues.

            It’s truly tragic.

            Nearly every incident is the same: some progressive madman, having convinced himself that gun debates are the solution to some problem or another—God only knows what—devises a plan to present a meticulously researched plan on gun reform to a group of innocent citizens or pro-gun advocates, often at a large party, town hall, or congressional hearing. When the time comes, he lays out his arguments as comprehensively and coherently as possible and to as many audience members as he can. God, just talking about it now makes my blood run cold.

            What we need to do now is come together as a nation and agree on a plan to prevent these civil discussions from ever happening again. Personally, I believe the mental health of the legislators involved needs to be assessed. I also believe we need to make it harder for Congress to have access to gun debate platforms in the first place. After all, if we keep allowing the average member of Congress off the street to freely legislate in our nation’s capitol then these harrowing, senseless debates on gun control will continue to happen and we will be powerless to stop them.

            How many more gun control debates do we need to stand by and idly witness in horror before we put a stop to them altogether?

            I, for one, am confident that by working together, one step at a time, we can eliminate gun debates in America entirely. Yes, you heard me right. Now it may take some time before we are able to ban discussions altogether; after all, the right to discuss reform is in our constitution, whether we like it not. But by taking small actions every day, like pushing hard in Congress and cracking down on reformers now, I’m confident we can create a nation where every man, woman, and child can live without fear of gun reform.

            Please help me in this fight. The lives of our existing gun laws are too precious not to.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 7:37 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            IABD: After reading through the/your comments this week, I must say that you have convinced me that I should be a carrier. And, I imagine others have been so convinced as well. Has that been your motive? La La Land where the Left lives never seems to leave most of those imbued with the false premise that mankind can live in a peaceful world designed by the elites. It does not seem to me they are far removed from those who believe in the 72 virgin theory of afterlife. Both wreak of practical and philosophical nonsense formed through the childish notions that War is more complex than Peace, when the opposite is true. Peace is so complex that it is beyond humanity’s reach and is considered merely an invention of the international bourgeois community. I think that Thucydides was correct in his analysis and a modern version of his quote would be that “History has shown that peace is merely the interlude between wars?” And, that is why we have the second Amendment and why I am opposed to its demise. You can live in your world of dreams and I will protect you so that you can continue with your fantasies. That is America and It is as simple as that, so you better hope that I stay healthy. RLS

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 4:32 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 104

            Mr. Miele, your soft-peddling this week, is transparent (Cue: "America, The Beautiful").
            This, for your Pharaoh who just ordered MILLIONS of U.S. tax-payer dollars for
            his Muslim Brotherhood in Syria: "Humanitarian" Aid.
            Meanwhile, persecuted Christians/U.S. Veterans sleep in below-freezing cold.
            Only, in "America", but, GOD sees EVERYTHING.

            The House of David 2 Chronicles Victory, is HERE (ANY questions Print/Broadcast "Industries"?):
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08
            NOW, The Most Blessed Christ King Yeshua reigns!

             
          • who new posted at 2:20 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Governor unabashedly promotes Ponzi scheme-

            “Bullock's budget director argued it would cost more, particularly in the short-term, to switch to a defined contribution plan because there would be less money going into the pensions system to keep it solvent.”

            http://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/republican-proposes-to-end-pension-system/article_d4badaf0-fad4-59c5-bd45-a1739112b7fb.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:20 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            IABD- Nobody gets away with beating Snoopy and gets away with it. Read paragraph 4
            Snoopy demands federal witness protection.

            Peter Robbins pleaded not guilty Wednesday in San Diego Superior Court to two counts of stalking and 10 counts of making criminal threats.

            Prosecutors said the 56-year-old voice actor best known for his portrayal of Charlie Brown on the TV special "A Charlie Brown Christmas" repeatedly threatened his former girlfriend, calling her as many as 37 times in a 24-hour period on her cellphone and telling her he would kill her and her son if she did not give back his dog and car.

            Prosecutors said he also threatened the plastic surgeon in the coastal city of Carlsbad, calling her office so many times she moved to a hotel temporarily out of fear for her life and hired an armed guard outside her clinic. Authorities said Robbins paid for the breast enhancement and was demanding his money back after they broke up, according to the criminal complaint.

            On Dec. 31, Robbins allegedly confronted his former girlfriend in a hotel room, beating his dog and telling her he would not stop hurting the animal and would kill her if she did not get a refund for the surgery, Deputy District Attorney Elizabeth McClutchey told the judge in arguing that bail be increased to $550,000. McClutchey said he then grabbed his ex-girlfriend by the neck and shoved her against the door before fleeing.

            Prosecutors also told the judge that Robbins had recently purchased a gun and had been practicing at a shooting range. San Diego Superior Court Judge David M. Szumowski agreed to up the bail from $50,000 to $550,000.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/peter-robbins-charlie-brown-voice-actor-arrested-stalking_n_2533204.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:36 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            RLS-"In the vernacular of those from years past it is/was a piece of political Charlie, Romeo, Alpha, Peter! RLS

            IABD- Your post in military alphabet would actually be: Charlie, Romeo, Alpha, Pa Pa. Prior to 1957 back in your day it would be: Charlie, Roger, Able, Peter. Charlie has just been captured.

            http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/23/showbiz/charlie-brown-actor-arrested/index.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:34 pm on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            The majority of polls in the United States show the silent majority to be liberals that are willing to "live and let live." The silent majority is therefore a liberal majority, even though the word 'liberal' has taken a real beating by the neo-conservative libertarian neanderthal party over the last few decades.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:52 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            kohana: Hillary Gives Away the Game

            HTC: The media's silence in this matter is very telling. They are now the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party and no longer deserving of the title "journalist." Along with Obama, they are now doing all they can to try to marginalize Fox News and all others who refuse to march with them.

            Where are the hard questions that need to be asked by them but which have yet to be spoken?

            For example, "Mrs. Clinton, why are the survivors of Benghazi still being kept sequestered from the press?"

            And "Why weren't extra security measures taken as the date of 9/11 approached when you and the President previously acknowledged that date had special significance to the terrorists who were known to be in the area and other attacks have occurred on that date in the past?"

            There are many more questions which also need to be answered but which we are unlikely to ever see answered by this administration.

            Their malfeasance and incompetence is glaring; yet, the Obamatons don't seem to notice or care. Even when it's pointed out to them, they deny it or change the subject.

            They are a sad lot indeed, marching faithfully to the tune of their Pied Piper, oblivious to the fate which awaits them.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:39 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            kohana: Are Hackers The Last Hope To Prevent A Totalitarian State?

            HTC: The suicide of Aaron Swartz is a tragic ending to what would seem to be a clear abuse of government power by Obama's DOJ. However, since Obama is their guy, the MSM and left-leaning groups like the ACLU have been largely silent. The only person who seems to be demanding answers and belated justice for Mr. Swartz is Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform committee who has sent a letter to the DOJ demanding to know why they were prosecuting Mr. Swartz when no actual crime of 'hacking' had apparently been committed.

            The alleged victims in this case, MIT and their JSTOR document delivery service had even asked the DOJ to drop the case, stating that Mr. Swartz had only violated some of their terms of service but had not actually ripped them off in any way, nor had he hacked into their systems since they had given him an academic guest account (Mr. Swartz was a fellow at Harvard at that time.)

            No doubt answers will not soon be forthcoming from this administration which has a history of cover-ups.

            But apparently thuggery is something Obama supporters are more than willing to overlook as they profess to be the "good guys" and the real defenders of liberty.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:11 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            mooseberryinn posted at 8:35 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013

            The only requirement to be a liberal is to be stupid and they continue to demonstrate that on a daily basis.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:07 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rob123: Chicken Hawks don't get it, as they strut around talking the Young and Naive into joining.

            HTC: Actually, the public in general doesn't get it and Hollywood has done a great job making killing look easier than it is and even 'cool.'

            Studies done of law enforcement personnel who've had to use deadly force have found that it's just as hard to live with afterwards for them as it is for soldiers, even when they know they've saved lives by taking down a POS who was determined to kill them. Even knowing the dead perp had a long, violent rap sheet didn't help them deal with the guilt of having ended another's life.

            I knew officers who struggled with that burden. I was fortunate enough to have to draw down on someone but without having to pull the trigger because they immediately made the decision that they didn't want to die that day. The relief I felt when they immediately dropped their weapon was considerable.

            But while killing is diificult for good men, it isn't for bad men and thus we will always find ourselves having to ask some good men to do our killing for us. The answer isn't to refuse to fight and kill but to hopefully present such an overwhelming capability to kill that few are tempted to test it.

            And we have to pick and choose our wars carefully. This is where we seem to need the most improvement.

            We are fortunate that there are good men and women who are willing to kill if necessary to protect the rest of us. It is so wrong that we tend to abandon them after a job well done and leave them to deal with their demons on their own. They are the walking dead among us and society has not done right by them.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:17 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rick Spencer,

            I don't know which I found more disgusting - Obama's Marxist take-no-prisoners speech or the nonstop fawning of the MSM over their King and Saviour, with Newsweek even referring to Obama in terms of the "Second Coming."

            http://www.businessinsider.com/newsweek-on-obamas-second-coming-2013-1

            What a pathetically stupid nation that could elect such a man.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:10 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013 [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 9:00 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            Well, unlike Frank, I am not postponing my judgment about the inaugural address. My judgment will, I believe, hold up well in the present and into the future as the votes roll in. In the vernacular of those from years past it is/was a piece of political Charlie, Romeo, Alpha, Peter! RLS

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:43 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            Hey, now here is a truly inspiring thought.... Candidates for the Demo-dummy Communist party of 2016 - Old Joe D'Buffoon for Dictator, and..... tah dah.... Al Franken for Vice-Dictator! Classic! A comedy team worthy of Obama, (the Anointed One's) worshipers. What can possibly go wrong?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:35 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            Restating the obvious - Apparently the liberals cannot grasp the fact that "assault rifles" are merely made to LOOK like military weapons. Apparently the liberals are quite comfortable with allowing Chairman Obama to rule by decree and willing to dispense with the messiness of Congress, the Supreme Court and our Constitutional protections. Apparently the liberals believe that by limiting lawful citizens' right to bear arms, will somehow inspire criminals and nutcases to not bear arms??? Apparently, the liberals believe anyone who does not support El Commandante Obama, the demo-dummies of congress in all their gloriously bizarre ideas must be an extremist? My guess is the refusal of the liberals to even hesitate in the vicinity of facts or common sense, has greatly impaired their ability to observe or evaluate reality. Hmm, too bad for America, but it all does provide fitting macabre background music for the destruction.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:01 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            IABD: "If Right-Wing terrorists need assault rifles, why can't these terrorists be classified as mentally ill, too?"

            The terrorists you speak of, are they Foreign or Domestic? And what about Left Wing terrorists? They too, are well armed.

            As a polite middleclass young man who went to Boot Camp and learned the Army Way of killing for the State, the answer to your question is quite simple: actual killing of another human being is quite difficult, in real time with real bullets. Behavioral Psychologists have worked on this for a long, long time, and found the best way is to dehumanize the enemy by calling them derogatory names and associating them with certain animals that are frowned upon in the culture. The surprising thing is how easy this is accomplished. Sure, some people don't buy it and are ridiculed as "Mommy Boys' and recycled back through Basic Training for one more try. But many, many give up their learned Human Nature and actually get into, and are successful at, killing. It's ugly, and usually turns into a Self-Survival mode at the Squad or Platoon Level, then it's over and one fly's home and gets to figure out how to live with it the rest of one's life. With suicide rates among Active Duty Military Personnel now 2 times greater than combat deaths (2012), one could say we are doing a horrible job?
            Chicken Hawks don't get it, as they strut around talking the Young and Naive into joining.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:24 am on Tue, Jan 29, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            Editor of the DIL: "Apparently when President Obama rebuked the nation for “our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age,” he wasn’t talking about finding ways to put people back to work or how to stanch the bleeding of our already anemic economy by government leaches who always want just a little more from the private sector."
            vs
            Sen Bernie Sanders (Vt)
            www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=527002033989168&set=a.123290884360287.13113.113544412001601&type=1&theater
            ________________________

            It would appear from the last election, that a modified form of Bernie's (I.-Vt. but actually an unapologetic Socialist) argument is in the majority and will remain the majority opinion? The Republican Party has held some meetings to discuss demographics (Immigration Reform) and maybe lifting it's rhetoric up beyond the level of 'vile and stupid' concerning social issues, in order to NOT distract from it's economic mantra of small government, hard work, personal responsibility.

            A general lifting of the rhetoric would be refreshing? Class Warfare is how the 24/7 News Channels make money and try to control the Legislative Branch of government . It seems to be working.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:01 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            If Right-Wing terrorists need assault rifles, why can't these terrorists be classified as mentally ill, too?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013

            Bear spray on a key chain is more practical and safer for home defense as well as in public. Why would any American citizen want to shoot an armed stranger and find out later they were an undercover policeman? Your chickenhawk domestic terror strategy is become more transparent to the readers.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMUGJZrR9Jg

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            It's a beautiful day posted at 2:02 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            Just as I thought - you're completely incapable of adult, reasoned and fact-based argument. You're just another mindless Obamaton.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:02 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            HTC-"However, there is a contingent of wealthy libertarians who are actively promoting gun proliferation to transform America into a nation where domestic tranquility, and the population’s general welfare, are figments of one’s imagination and unattainable."

            IABD- Good grief, Mr. H, can't a guy take a nap in the middle of the day without you shooting your mouth off? Orderly, come and take Mr. H to the quiet room. It is time for his meds. Later at 3:00 you can go with Mr. Nugent and Mr. LaPierre for group shock therapy.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:57 pm on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:35 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013

            HTC: Like most of your posts, this piece is yet another lengthy, mostly fallacious, hyperbolic and emotion-filled bit of nonsense which is typical of the claptrap we've come to expect from the left. I don't have the time to rebut ever one of its numerous errors and false claims, but will focus on a few which are particularly erroneous yet typical of the bedwetting leftist propaganda which surrounds the gun control debate.

            It is unfortunate that we can't have a reasoned, unemotional and fact-based discussion of how society can best address violent acts against its citizens, but folks like you simply aren't adult enough and/or lack the intellectual honesty and discernment required by all, in order to have such a discussion.

            Instead, you grandstand and seek to build emotional and political capital upon the graves of the dead; so, besides being intellectually incapable of addressing the issue, you dishonor the dead in pursuit of false hope.

            IABD: "However, there is a contingent of wealthy libertarians who are actively promoting gun proliferation to transform America into a nation where domestic tranquility, and the population’s general welfare, are figments of one’s imagination and unattainable."

            HTC: This is a marvellous example of the kind of vile hyperbolic character-assassination rhetoric which has become typical of your side of the political spectrum. It is also as fallacious and laughable as it is vile. It is laughable because nutjobs like you are constantly attacking the right, accusing them of one ridiculous conspiracy theory after another when your side suffers greatly from the very paranoia you project upon them.

            If the "proliferation" of guns is the cause of our violent crimes against others, why have homicide rates been in steep decline in recent times, even though the number of firearms owned has increased by over 40% in the last ten years? And how do you explain the other 60% of homicides which are committed with weapons or by means other than a gun?

            There are now over 340 million firearms in the possession of ordinary Americans, so your concern about "proliferation" is more than a bit tardy as well as irrelevant.

            IABD: "Much emphasis by gun-proliferation zealots is put on the Second Amendment’s fallacious guarantee that every American has an American-defining dog-given right to unrestricted access and possession of military-grade weapons...."

            HTC: Your author is clearly as ignorant of the Constitution as you are. The purpose of the Second Amendment is NOT to guarantee a right to hunt or even to defend ourselves against criminal attack, but to ensure that we have the means to resist our government should it exceed its constitutional authority and seek to impose its tyranny upon us.

            This has been well understood by the courts and constitutional law experts and was further clarified in U.S. v. Miller when the Court ruled that the Second Amendment may, in fact, only protect a right to own weapons with a legitimate military application. While no doubt this very suggestion might cause many of your ilk to wet themselves, it is fact nonetheless, and liberty has never been kept safe and secure by bedwetters.

            IABD: "...before 1980, only five states allowed gun owners to carry concealed weapons in public; by 2012, 44 states had laws allowing concealed weapons."

            HTC: This is patently false. Before the '80s, only five states had "shall issue" CCW laws which required the permit be issued if the applicant met the requirements set forth by law. Most other states had "may issue" CCW laws which allowed local law enforcement to issue permits as they saw fit but which did not require their issuance.

            With the spread of "shall issue" CCW laws in recent times, we've seen a mushrooming in the number of permits issued; yet, homicide rates and violent crime rates have declined dramatically EXCEPT in those areas with strict gun control laws and which do not issue CCWs except to political patrons (e.g., Chicago, New York, D.C.)

            So, if gun control works and 'proliferation' is the problem, explain these conflicting data points, if you can. Your usual non sequiturs in response will only further convince me and others that you're just an old hippy with no capacity for wisdom or reasoned argument.

            IABD: "Under the Reagan administration’s anti-government regulation frenzy, and coupled with the emergence of a violence-promoting NRA, American Legislative Exchange Council and funding by the un-American John Bircher Koch brothers, the push to put as many firearms on American streets as possible led to six of the 12 deadliest shootings in America’s history; all in the past five years."

            HTC: You repeatedly mention libertarians, the Koch Brothers and the John Birch Society as "un-American", yet provide absolutely no evidence to substantiate those character attacks. If being a libertarian makes one "un-American", then the Founders were un-American as well. Furthermore, the Koch Brothers are not members of the John Birch Society but, even if they were, so what? The Birchers are fundamentally libertarians as well and merely want a return to the Constitutional government established by the Founders. If you regard that as "un-American", then it is YOU, sir, who are guilty of that charge!

            As for the recent shootings to which you refer, they were not due to "violence-promoting" by the NRA, an allegation which is just another vile attempt at character assassination which so dominates what you call 'argument.' Your 'arguments' are always long on insult and character assassination and WAY short on facts.

            Tragically, every one of the six shooters you mentioned were mentally ill but, thanks to privacy laws and laws making involuntary institutionalization of the mentally ill nearly impossible - laws written and pass by you lefties - they were free to roam the streets until they finally went postal. Well-reasoned laws which made reporting of such individuals to authorities a hard requirement and which would have enabled their families or authorities to remove them from society, in order to give them the help they needed, would have prevented ALL of those shootings without a single change to gun laws or a single new infringement on Second Amendment rights.

            IABD: "It is no coincidence that the vast majority of the world’s worst mass shootings in developed countries have taken place in the United States."

            HTC: History screams "BULL$HIT" to that steamy pile of liberal crap. ALL of the world's worst mass shootings were committed by communist/socialist tyrants such as Hitler and Stalin and they were crimes committed in mind-boggling numbers against a citizenry that were helpless to defend themselves because they had previously allowed themselves to be disarmed by what they'd gullibly believed to be a government which had their best interests at heart.

            There are some important lessons in that bit of history which you and your liberal buddies clearly lack the intellectual skills to finesse.

            IABD: "Unfortunately for the NRA, revolution-happy gun fanatics, and anti-Obama conspiracy theorists, a recent poll reveals that 62% of Americans are in favor of banning semi-automatic assault guns and high-capacity clips."

            HTC: A January 19-20 Gallup poll shows that 60% of respondents favored reinstating the original 'assault' weapons ban but only 54% favor restrictions on 'high-capacity' magazines.

            Regardless, our inalienable rights aren't subject to your approval; so, what a 'majority' want is irrelevant to this discussion.

            Far more important in that poll - and this WASN'T reported by the MSM because Obama and others are largely ignoring most of these other solutions - are the measures which FAR more respondents favored because they knew they were much more likely to be effective in reducing Sandy Hook type shootings.

            Thesse measures include:

            "Require criminal background checks for all gun sales" - 91% Favored
            "Increase government spending for mental health programs for young people" - 82% Favored
            "Increase government spending for training police officers, first responders and school officials on how to respond to active armed attacks" - 79% Favored
            "Increase criminal penalties for people who pass the required background check but who buy a gun for someone who has not passed a background check" - 75% Favored
            "Spend $4 billion of federal government money to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street" - 70% Favored
            "Spend $30 million of federal government money to help schools develop emergency response plans" - 69% Favored

            America needs to have a serious discussion of this issue but that discussion has never occurred, in spite of the repeated efforts of many, because your side simply isn't adult enough to allow it.

            The resulting lack of REAL progress in reducing these shootings and the additional deaths that result are blood on YOUR hands because YOU will not permit this issue to be addressed in a reasoned, fact-based, Constitutional and emotion-free way.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            HTC: "I once was similarly polled by phone after California enacted their own more stringent 'assault' weapons ban and I intentionally misled the caller......"

            OMG! You little Machiavellian devil.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:52 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Don't suspect that some of the more "progressive" readers on this blog will read my last two posts, but they certainly do support Frank's contention of Obama's administration of lies and deception.

            January 28, 2013

            Hillary Gives Away the Game

            By Daren Jonescu

            Hillary Clinton's angry flip-out at Senator Ron Johnson during her Benghazi testimony was a charmed moment. All at once, before the whole world, one of the highest ranking progressive authoritarians on the planet spilled the beans -- all of them -- about the left's modus operandi.

            The revelation might be overlooked, however, if we focus too closely on Clinton's easily quotable "What difference does it make?" The line as quoted merely shows Clinton to be a trapped liar trying to fake her way through an awkward moment with pomposity and bravado. In truth, however, "What difference does it make?" is merely a media-friendly ellipsis of her actual words. What she actually said, without the convenient editing, is far more telling.

            Here is the exchange:

            Johnson: We were misled that there were supposedly protests and then... an assault sprang out of that. And that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days -- and they didn't know that.

            Clinton (shouting, glaring, and waving her arms): With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference -- at this point -- does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened, and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator.

            Note in passing the obvious contradiction in saying that it makes no difference what happened, and then immediately saying that "our job" is "to figure out what happened." Clearly, in her flustered state, Clinton confused her talking points, the intended gist of which was presumably that the job of finding out what happened is the responsibility of the administration's own internal investigators alone, because only the administration itself will be able to construct a tale that "gets to the bottom of things" without incriminating anyone in the administration.

            All contradictions aside, however, let us turn to Clinton's central point. Johnson's question was a straightforward one, and the one people have been asking since the first days after the attack, when, thanks to foreign media sources, Americans were learning that there was no evidence of any video protest anywhere in Libya on September 11. That question gained force and significance when the world learned that the assault had lasted for seven hours, and that throughout the battle, administration officials in Washington were receiving live communications from those under attack, as well as real time images from a U.S. drone on the scene. It gained further urgency when Clinton promised Tyrone Woods' father that the government would hunt down... no, not the terrorists who killed his son, but the maker of the video that supposedly ignited the non-existent protests.

            The simple question Senator Johnson revived gained a fever pitch of relevance when President Obama went on television, and to the United Nations, to condemn an anti-Islamic video which by that time he had to know was in no way related to the attacks. (See here.) And of course the precise context which heightened the relevance of this "video protest" lie was on display when, during a debate, Obama refused to answer questions about what he had done to help the Americans under attack, instead glaring condescendingly at Mitt Romney while delivering a carefully prepared (and frequently repeated) diatribe about his supposed "three orders," none of which addressed the actual question as to what he had done during the assault to rescue the victims.

            The context, and the brazenness of the lie, provoked many speculations as to what the Obama administration was hiding, and why. The kindest, most generous interpretation, given what we now know, is that the administration was running a sophisticated smokescreen operation to evade damage to the Obama campaign's talking point that by "getting bin Laden" while endorsing the "democratic elements" of the Muslim Brotherhood, Barack the Avenger was freeing America from the threat of Islamic extremism. The video protest story, tarted up by the administration as "understandable outrage" about a "disgusting" case of "religious intolerance," was (minimally) designed to deflect blame from a foreign policy that, with its projection of weakness and its moral support for the global caliphate movement, was an invitation to aggression.

            It is in this light that we must view Clinton's angry outburst, and particularly her most revealing declaration: "Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they'd go kill some Americans? What difference -- at this point -- does it make?"

            Notice that her first question carefully avoids the true option, namely "a planned assault by well-armed Islamists affiliated with al-Qaeda." Had she included that one among her list of hypotheticals, the absurdity of her rhetorical question would have been crystal clear, even to her. Obviously, in the immediate aftermath of the attack, the answer to this question -- why were the men killed? -- made all the difference in the world. The administration's lies, obfuscations, and contradictory half-stories about the events were the crux of the issue -- at that time.

            But that was months ago. As Clinton so pointedly says, "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?" Clinton, the administration official most closely linked to this catastrophe, chose not to be available for questioning in September, when Susan Rice, who (conveniently) had nothing to do with any of it, was sent out to the Sunday talk shows to deliver the administration's lies. Clinton chose not to be available the first time she was asked to testify before Congress, due to an urgently important trip to Australia. And then, of course, she was unavailable for her second invited appearance, due to having reportedly hit her head after fainting.

            Now, four and a half months after the murderous assault on a woefully under-defended diplomatic staff by a well-known terrorist group; two and a half months after the presidential election was won by the man who made the unthinkably brutal decision to leave American government employees under attack for hours without taking any action to help them; months after the administration's point-man in its initial cover-up, Rice, was safely cordoned off from scrutiny on the inscrutable grounds that she was a complete naïf "just delivering the information that was given to her" (by whom?) -- after all this time, Clinton can simply bury the central question, and the main reason for the congressional investigation itself, by wailing, "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?"

            "At this point." That is, and has always been, the underlying strategy of the Obama administration on Benghazi: stall for time until they've reached a safe distance from the horrors they perpetrated on the ambassador and his brave defenders, on the American people, on an insignificant amateur video maker, and on the many Arab Muslims killed during real protests stoked by the administration's repeated citing of an "outrageous," "disgusting," "intolerant" video which in fact had nothing to do with anything. From this distance, they hoped, all the important questions would begin to seem less urgent, and all the ugly facts begin to drift into the dark recesses of public consciousness.

            Had Hillary Clinton, during any of those September Sunday shows she avoided, said "What difference does it make what actually happened?" even her mistresses of the robes in the mainstream media would have had a hard time carrying her train.

            Had Obama himself, during his re-election campaign debates, said "What difference does it make what really happened?" even Candy Crowley would have been hard pressed to leap to his defense.

            Now, at last, believing they have successfully run out the clock on the public's infantile attention span, the progressives can offer their only real defense of their terrifying inhumanity -- the argument they undoubtedly used privately from the beginning, but which they dared not utter in public while many were still disturbed about the details of the attack: "What difference does it make?" What's done is done.

            Furthermore, Hillary Clinton's angry blurting out of the truth is applicable to much more than just the Benghazi fiasco. With that revealing little qualification -- "at this point" -- she actually gave away the entire progressive game that has been played on Western civilization for more than a hundred years, and has now all but shut the door on the five hundred year adventure the West has dubbed "modernity."

            This is the big secret at the core of the progressives' conception of "progress": You cannot justify the unjustifiable in advance, or persuade people of the rationally unpersuasive. Rather, you must simply push "forward" into ever-deepening waters, repeatedly building reserves of social pressure and then releasing them in little thrusts of propelling energy to carry civilization ever nearer the vortex -- all the while promising to save men from the frightening depths, if only they will hold on tight, and follow you, the progressive, just a little farther forward, just a little farther forward.

            The key to the progressive "ratchet," as it is often, correctly, called, is that no step forward may ever be retraced. Each stage of degradation is to be rationalized after the fact, precisely by the means exemplified in Hillary Clinton's stark question: "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?"

            Was modern public education conceived as a tool for preventing the development of individualism and exceptional men, in favor of a morally and intellectually stunted "workforce" of the compliant to support an entrenched oligarchy? "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?" say the defenders of public education. "After all, we can't just abolish an education system we've come to depend on for generations to raise our children."

            Would ObamaCare's individual mandate stand up to the judgment of the framers of the U.S. Constitution? "What difference -- at this point -- does that make?" says the Supreme Court. "After all, it was passed by a duly elected Congress and president of today, so who's to say James Madison himself would not have approved, had he seen Barack Obama's well-creased pant leg?"

            FDR rammed New Deal legislation through an intimidated Supreme Court, and against strong Republican and public outcries that it betokened the thin edge of the socialist wedge. "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?" say subsequent generations of Americans when the question of "Social Security reform" is tentatively raised. "After all, we can't just unravel programs that have come to be taken for granted by generations of Americans, even if they are bankrupting the country."

            Throughout the dilapidated West, the same now goes, or soon will go, for wealth redistribution, government-controlled medicine, abortion, affirmative action, the abolition of private property, government-ordered euthanasia, gay/transgender/bi-species marriage, a ban on private gun ownership, anti-industrial "green" legislation, restrictions on soft drink serving sizes, government-mandated molestation at airports, the outlawing of all forms of private education, and mental health assessments for those showing excessive reverence for individual liberty.

            The key to the success of Western socialism's "progress" is not the periodic lurches toward the abyss. It is the art of effective stalling. All of today's political and moral outrages will be rationalized with a shrug tomorrow: "What difference -- at this point -- does it make?"

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          • kohana posted at 10:27 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Are-Hackers-The-Last-Hope-To-Prevent-A-Totalitarian-State

            Are Hackers The Last Hope To Prevent A Totalitarian State?

            Brian Watt · 2 hours ago

            This morning we awaken to the news that the shadowy hacker group Anonymous has hacked a federal government sentencing site and perhaps stolen an enormous amount of confidential information. They did so to avenge the suicide of Reddit founder Aaron Swartz, who they claim was hounded by federal prosecutors contributing to his sense of loss and despair.

            This comes in the same week that the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit ruled that the President of the United States overstepped his constitutional bounds by making appointments to the NLRB when Congress was still in session without its advice and consent.

            This is the same week that the Secretary of State expressed hostility to Congress about whether the false narrative put forth by the White House by a State Department official, the UN ambassador was important to discuss. In Secretary Clinton's words, "What difference does it make?" Perhaps only the difference between the life and death of four brave Americans and the difference between an honest administration or an administration that is knowingly lying to the American people and treating them as a necessary nuisance who are not entitled to know whether their leaders have engaged in criminal negligence and a cover up.

            This is the same week that executive orders have been issued by the president that place limitations on the Second Amendment right to bear arms wholeheartedly supported by those on Left who think those Americans who want some measure of protection from an increasingly powerful federal government are reactionary fringe wackos. What was it that George Washington said?

            "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

            For as much as many of us find the tactics of Anonymous and other hackers unlawful and a threat to our other rights — are they in fact the last line of defense from a government that could become more tyrannical and totalitarian?

            What do the lovers of liberty say here on Ricochet?

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Are-Hackers-The-Last-Hope-To-Prevent-A-Totalitarian-State

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:01 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Pete: Poll: Two-thirds of American voters with household guns would ‘defy’ gun laws

            HTC: I suspect that the actual percentage of those who would defy what they perceived to be unconstitutional gun laws is much higher; but, due to the nature of the poll and how it was conducted, many likely chose not to answer the poll honestly.

            I once was similarly polled by phone after California enacted their own more stringent 'assault' weapons ban and I intentionally misled the caller, not knowing who was actually behind the poll but well aware of the fact that the pollsters knew who they were talking to.

             
          • Pequot posted at 9:29 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            Pequot Posts: 525

            IABD: Well, you tried with humor but........

            Good Wikipedia definition of Congresspersons.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:03 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Blake: [Quoting Obama] "...generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf..."

            HTC: Not only has Obama chosen to ignore these restraints {e.g., violating religious freedom of conscience with ObamaCare and his current efforts to infringe Second Amendment rights), but he clearly chose long ago to ignore the fact that the Constitution is a contract between the people and their government which enumerates only a few powers which they delegate to that government, reserving all the rest to themselves and the states.

            No where among those enumerated powers is the authority to take from producers to give those fruits to nonproducers.

            Blake: I'll leave Obama's vile treatment of congressional Republicans to be documented by others. (Except to mention the time Obama specifically invited Paul Ryan to a policy speech, had him sit in the front row, and then lampooned him.)

            HTC: That is certainly one of the best and most notorious examples. There are countless others, but I'll also leave the task of documenting his many abuses to others, as it is clear to me that Tillie lacks the desire for the truth, which is necessary to obtain it, and likely the intellectual capacity as well.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:35 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.politicususa.com/nra-libertarians-firearms-industry.html

            It is safe to assume that no people on Earth would want to live in a violent society such as Taliban-controlled Afghanistan where armed men roamed the streets and the idea of peace and security were little more than an idealized notion. The Constitution’s drafters prefaced America’s most revered document with a guarantee that their intention in forming a more perfect union was, among other things, ensuring domestic tranquility that nations like the aforementioned Afghanistan could only imagine a fictional heaven would be like. However, there is a contingent of wealthy libertarians who are actively promoting gun proliferation to transform America into a nation where domestic tranquility, and the population’s general welfare, are figments of one’s imagination and unattainable.

            Much emphasis by gun-proliferation zealots is put on the Second Amendment’s fallacious guarantee that every American has an American-defining dog-given right to unrestricted access and possession of military-grade weapons and concealed handguns with high-capacity magazines in public places, but before 1980, only five states allowed gun owners to carry concealed weapons in public; by 2012, 44 states had laws allowing concealed weapons. Under the Reagan administration’s anti-government regulation frenzy, and coupled with the emergence of a violence-promoting NRA, American Legislative Exchange Council and funding by the un-American John Bircher Koch brothers, the push to put as many firearms on American streets as possible led to six of the 12 deadliest shootings in America’s history; all in the past five years. It is no coincidence that the vast majority of the world’s worst mass shootings in developed countries have taken place in the United States, including 65 mass shootings since Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in 2009.

            Last week during a Tucson Arizona voluntary gun buy-back event, the NRA threatened to take the police department to court to halt the destruction of unwanted firearms, and with model legislation from ALEC under the direction of the Koch brothers, it will be a recurring scene across America. After the tragic Sandy Hook school massacre, cities around the country have held community-wide voluntary gun buybacks for citizens to turn in their unwanted guns, but the NRA wants those guns back in circulation. Early in 2012, corporations and legislators on the ALEC Public Safety and Elections Task Force adopted a “Firearms Destruction Prevention Act” as a model that Arizona governor and ALEC alumni Jan Brewer signed at the behest of the NRA for the express purpose of putting as many guns on the street as possible. The concept of a heavily armed population was not the Founders intent in the Second Amendment, and until recent decades, states embraced strict gun controls today’s NRA religiously opposes as tyrannical and anti-American.

            During colonial times, in states such as New Hampshire and Rhode Island, public officials went door-to-door to document “gun ownership in a community,” and Massachusetts required every gun owner to appear annually in public with their firearms for listing on a statewide gun registry. In Boston, there were laws on where ammunition could be stored, and having a loaded gun in public and in one’s home was illegal and would result in the gun being confiscated by local authorities. In the seventy years between 1790 and 1860 14 of the 20 states that joined the Union included the right to bear arms in their state constitutions, but they also enacted strict gun-control laws, most notably banning concealed weapons in public the NRA decries as tyrannical and un-American since Reagan’s administration. In the great majority of frontier towns, guns had to be surrendered to local lawmen when their owners entered a city’s limits, and even in Texas, Governor James Stephen Hogg said the “mission of the concealed deadly weapon is murder. To check it is the duty of every self-respecting, law-abiding man.” The NRA, Koch brothers, and ALEC will not comport a nation with self-respecting law-abiding men and have worked tirelessly to put as many firearms in American homes and streets with sustained lobbying and legislative drives to rid America of any gun-control laws. The NRA’s goal since the 1980s is in stark contrast to the original intent and purpose of the organization.

            In the 1920s and 1930s, NRA leaders wrote and lobbied for the first federal gun control laws, and proposed model legislation for states including requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, adding five years to a prison sentence if a gun was used in a crime, created a waiting period between purchasing and acquiring a gun, and proposed gun dealers turn over sales records to police; provisions the NRA vehemently opposes today. After the NRA began paying legislators to oppose any gun-control legislation, former Supreme Court Chief Justice Warren Burger, no liberal activist judge, said in 1991 that the Constitution’s Preamble, to “ensure domestic tranquility” allowed for new federal gun controls “if we are to stop mindless homicidal carnage” and called for new handgun regulations the NRA labels as sheer tyranny, unconstitutional, and decidedly un-American.

            To garner support from gun-fanatics and dysfunctional Americans panting for a revolution since an African American man took up residence in the White House, gun extremists in Congress and neo-conservative pundits are inciting opposition to any gun control measures. A Texas Republican, Rep. Steve Stockman from Texas, threatened to file articles of impeachment against President Obama if he dared use the power of his office to address gun control, and Lou Dobbs, Fox Business host, ratcheted up the extreme conspiracy theory that President Obama wants to destroy the Second Amendment as a first step in eliminating the entire Bill of Rights.



            Unfortunately for the NRA, revolution-happy gun fanatics, and anti-Obama conspiracy theorists, a recent poll reveals that 62% of Americans are in favor of banning semi-automatic assault guns and high-capacity clips, but despite public opinion, the NRA wants more guns, even unwanted guns, in circulation and they have the funding to buy the votes to defeat common sense gun laws regardless how benign or ensuring Americans live in domestic tranquility. That really is the NRA’s goal, to keep the public frightened to the point that they believe the only means of being safe is carrying a loaded, concealed handgun with a high-capacity magazine and a fully automatic assault rifle that portends America becomes Taliban-controlled Afghanistan for one purpose; to enrich the gun manufacturing industry.

             
          • Blake posted at 10:43 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Blake Posts: 162

            Among Tillie's problems, the one in most evidence here is that she doesn't know anything. Hence, while slandering Mr. Miele with the claim that he writes "unsupportable claptrap," she generated her own heavy doses of unsupportable claptrap.

            To the larger point of redistribution of wealth, there's Obama's musings on Chicago public radio WBEZ in 2001:

            "If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vet formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples, so that I would now have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order, and as long as I could pay for it I’d be OK.

            "But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and the Warren Court interpreted it in the same way ... that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, because the civil rights movement became so court focused, I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. And in some ways we still suffer from that."

            You can hear that for yourself right now: http://baarswestside.blogspot.com/2012/09/2001-obama-wbez-interview.html

            That link has four choice minutes from an interview of Obama (and two others) that consumed a broadcast hour. I have listened to the whole thing online, but that might no longer be available, as I didn't find it just now. Anyway, upon listening to the whole thing, it's clear that no "context" is missing from the ~270 words quoted above: It's obvious that Obama is about "redistributive change" (this is apparent from his behavior as president, too), and one senses that he regrets the Warren Court went with the flow and continued to view the Constitution as a protector of negative liberties (which it obviously is, if you're willing to read the Bill of Rights).

            I'll leave Obama's vile treatment of congressional Republicans to be documented by others. (Except to mention the time Obama specifically invited Paul Ryan to a policy speech, had him sit in the front row, and then lampooned him.)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:34 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Wisconsin Sheriff Urges People to Arm Themselves
            says 911 not a viable option for defense
            January 27, 2013 | AP

            A sheriff who released a radio ad urging Milwaukee-area residents to learn to handle firearms so they can defend themselves while waiting for police said Friday that law enforcement cutbacks have changed the way police can respond to crime.

            In the 30-second commercial, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr. says personal safety is no longer a spectator sport.

            "I need you in the game," he says.

            "With officers laid off and furloughed, simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option," he adds. "You can beg for mercy from a violent criminal, hide under the bed, or you can fight back. ... Consider taking a certified safety course in handling a firearm so you can defend yourself until we get there."

            The ad has generated sharp criticism from other area officials and anti-violence advocates. The president of the Milwaukee Deputy Sheriffs' Association, Roy Felber, said it sounds like a call to vigilantism.

            "That doesn't sound too smart," Felber said. "People have the right to defend themselves, but they don't have the right to take the law into their own hands."

            Under Wisconsin's "castle doctrine," someone who uses deadly force against an unlawful intruder to their home, business or vehicle is presumed to have acted reasonably. A spokeswoman for the state Department of Justice said that as of this week, there are about 155,000 concealed carry permits in Wisconsin.

            In an interview with The Associated Press, Clarke said he just wants people to know what their options are. While self-defense isn't for everyone, some people see personal safety as their own responsibility, he said, and they should be trained properly.

            "I'm not telling you to `Hey, pick up a gun and blast away.' ... People need to know what they are doing if they chose that method -- to defend themselves," he said.

            But he also said he wanted to call on residents to be law enforcement "partners." He said he could either whine about budget cuts that forced him to lay off 48 deputies last year or he could get creative.

            "People are responsible to play a role in their own safety, with the help of law enforcement," Clarke said. "I'm here to do my part, but we have fewer and fewer resources. We're not omnipresent, and we have to stop giving people that impression."

            "After sitting down and thinking about this, I'm thinking `Hey, I've got an untapped reserve over here, and it's the public,"' Clarke said.

            Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett's office released a statement criticizing the ad: "Apparently Sheriff David Clarke is auditioning for the next Dirty Harry movie."

            Barrett was beaten up several years ago by someone with a tire iron, and Clarke said he thought that would make the mayor "a lot more sensitive to people being able to defend themselves in such instances. A firearm and a plan of defense would have come in handy for him that day."

            Jeri Bonavia, executive director of Wisconsin Anti-Violence Effort, said Clarke took a dangerous position with his ad. She pointed to the case of George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer in Florida who fatally shot an unarmed 17-year-old following an altercation. Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty to second-degree murder, claiming self-defense under Florida's "stand your ground" law.

            "I feel like this is such an irresponsible thing for our chief public safety officer of a county to do," Bonavia said. "I think he owes this community an apology. And if he really believes that he's not capable of providing for our public safety he should get a different job."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:29 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013

            Your mental BMI has to be well over 60.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:28 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            Tillie posted at 6:37 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013

            Undoubtedly you're someone's nutty aunt in the attic and your lack of even the slightest grasp of the real world around you must be a source of embarrassment to family members; that is, unless you managed to pass along your affliction to them as well.

            Obama's speeches, policies and cabinet appointments all make it perfectly clear that the massive redistribution of wealth is at the heart of almost everything he does. Whether it's his enlargement of the welfare state, his unlawful redistribution of GM and Chrysler bondholder interests to unions or his subsidies of 'green' energy and his desire to use international "climate change" policies to redistribute wealth from the developed countries to developing nations, it's all there in spades and your inability to see it only highlights your considerable lack of intellectual discernment.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:55 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/plank/105354/do-nra-members-support-more-gun-restrictions-members-congress-do#

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:30 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:45 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HTC-"If we didn't have as many fools as Germany or any other country, there'd never have been a President Obama."

            IABD- You are obviously programmed by old school Nazi propagandist techniques, and a tool for subversive mind-control Mr. H. If we have to resort to a deviated level of one-liner hate speech, why not: "America, Love it or Leave it"! and "y'all don't come back now"..

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:45 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            IABD: In other words, are you telling us Hitler was politically correct and the people are all fools?

            HTC: Hitler was proof that most people are fools; after all, he fooled the German people, didn't he? And how many of our own fools have you heard say that what happened in Germany could never happen here?

            If we didn't have as many fools as Germany or any other country, there'd never have been a President Obama.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:41 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            SorrySOB: They filibustered even good bills....

            HTC: Describe them; but, remember, the devil is always in the details, so dig deeper than the fifth-grade level coverage provided by the MSM. You, know, what you call "news."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Thank you tillie..
            IABD- For all of you Obamaphobes please check out obese version of NRA leader Ted Nugent, Sean Hannity and british agitator Lord Monkton at the Friends of America rally.....

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3YWGfQkeZU

             
          • Tillie posted at 6:37 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            "For the next four years, the president didn’t have time or inclination to meet with Republican lawmakers, and when he did, it seemed his main purpose was to scold them."

            This is an outright lie. Are employees of this paper allowed to make stuff up to prove their points?

            "most Americans think of government as a necessary evil to be endured whereas President Obama views it as a means to an end — namely redistribution of wealth"

            Wow, two lies in the same sentence. Even if addressing the extreme wealth inequality in this country is one of Obama's admitted goals, saying that this what he thinks is the primary purpose of government is unsupportable claptrap.

            Not that it really matters though. Frank's views on everything are so wacky and extreme that they are not convincing to anyone besides his fellow tinfoil hat-wearing tea party enthusiasts in a part of the country with almost no population anyway.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:00 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Pequot posted at 2:59 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            If you want to find out more about psychopaths and narcissists, check out:

            http://www.wisdomofpsychopaths.com/index.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Pequot posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Don't worry about 911 response time in Polebridge in the winter Pequot...
            Future news flash: Flight departs Glacier Airport en route to remote NW Montana Militia landing strip near Polebridge, MT.and becomes missing after being several hours late. 911 dispatch sends NRA member and GOP Flathead County Sheriff Coroner Chuck Curry several hours later. Reported missing are 5 national NRA members aboard the plane. Search helicopter confirms intense fire at site. Crash site is confirmed with report of no survivors. Ground teams recalled. Flathead County Sheriff Coroner Chuck Curry observes aircraft consumed by fire; announces five fatalities. Meanwhile two armed hikers missing for several days while hiking out of the Glacier National Park. Missing overweight hikers Wayne LaPierre and Ted Nugent make it safely out eating several game animals and frozen mooseberries according to FoxNews report.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:28 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            Pequot posted at 2:59 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy
            "A psychopath is characterized by shallow emotions (including reduced fear, a lack of empathy, and stress tolerance), coldheartedness, egocentricity, superficial charm, manipulativeness, irresponsibility, impulsivity, criminality, antisocial behavior, a lack of remorse, and a parasitic lifestyle."

            IABD- Most psychopathic manipulators are not easy to recognize and while using their charm will psychologically disarm the average person with a smile. Door to door salesmen and religious snake-oil groups know this and have an edge. Bear spray on a key chain is more practical and safer. Why would I want to shoot a stranger and find out later they were an undercover policeman?

             
          • Pequot posted at 2:59 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Pequot Posts: 525

            It's a beautiful day: I'm also interested in your views on what society should do about psychopathic and criminal behavior using firearms ? Do we calmly talk them out of whatever drives their behavior while staring into the business end of a firearm after they let us call 911 or do we prevent what might happen if possible. Would it be OK to have a firearm to protect yourself, family and home or would that be improper ?

             
          • Pete posted at 2:57 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            And...the other 1/3 already are.

             
          • Pete posted at 2:56 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Poll: Two-thirds of American voters with household guns would ‘defy’ gun laws

            http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/27/poll-two-thirds-of-american-voters-with-household-guns-would-defy-gun-laws/

             
          • Pequot posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Pequot Posts: 525

            Interesting post by 'It's a Beautiful Day@10:45 AM

            I'm curious as to his/her thoughts on the ability of a 911 call to protect you when in harm's way. What is a citizen to do when confronted by criminal evil and preservation depends on quick action to save lives and protect one's home and property ? Using as many lines as used for the 10:45 post would help us come up with a solution that each of us could use, from the winter resident way up in Polebridge to the year round resident of Chicago or New York.

             
          • Pete posted at 2:24 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Life after Chernobyl: Sergei Gaschak’s photography from inside 'the zone'

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/life-after-chernobyl-sergei-gaschaks-photography-from-inside-the-zone-8467725.html

            Seeing these pics after following last weeks...eh hem...."comments" on this sight, I thought huh...just maybe....[smile]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:49 pm on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            HTC: "It is actually quite simple; in fact, even more so than you've described.
            We know from decades of historical data from the study of democratic economies that national governments will get, on average, 18-20% of GDP, regardless of tax policies or what the top marginal tax rates happen to be."

            That's not totally accurate, within the argumentative world of macroeconomics. The definition of 'Taxable Income' plays a huge part on government revenue, as you know. A small example is CBS, who through a subsidiary, controls 25% of all outdoor advertising, be it billboards or electronic dazzle signs. It has requested, and apparently been approved, to become a tax free REIT......Another example is Tax Free Muni's and what some cities are actually doing with the money. Investments in Foreign Countries! Incredible.......
            http://www.econlib.org/library/Columns/y2013/Murphytaxrates.html
            "What Economic Research Says About Fiscal Austerity and Higher Tax Rates"

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:45 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            The American Disease

            by Ed Raymond
            I was horrified by the mass murder of 20 first graders and six school employees at Sandy Hook Elementary, but I wasn’t at all surprised. I have written over 1,100 weekly columns over the last 20 years, and I estimate that at least 50 of them have been about the National Rifle Association and its virulent connection to the great American disease, our violent society. Evidently facts don’t matter to the NRA and its financial and political supporters, but I need to repeat some to establish the fact that our violent gun society has a murder rate 15 times that of other wealthy countries. We murder 11,000 with firearms each year, kill about 20,000 others by suicide and accidents, and wound over 70,000 with bullets.
            I did not create the phrase “the American disease.” A lone gunman killed 35 Australians and wounded 23 in 1996. Within weeks the government passed laws virtually banning all semi-automatic assault weapons and shotguns, improved their licensing procedures, and financed amnesty and buyback programs for over 600,000 semi-automatic weapons. This was accomplished quickly because, as Prime Minister John Howard said, “We don’t want the American disease imported into Australia.”
            Why did we have over 30,000 gun deaths in 2008 while Japan had only eleven? Isn’t it time we figured out why? Personally, I don’t think the NRA and the gun lobby will move an inch from an ideology that says the more guns we have, the safer we will be. If 300 million guns in the U.S. can’t keep us safe, let’s arm all school employees and try 400 million! The NRA leadership is in its lobby hidey-hole waiting to pounce with its interpretation of facts. But some of its henchmen are beginning to crawl out of their holes, yelling it’s the fault of our mental illness programs—and that the solution for protecting the schools is to arm every classroom teacher with a Glock and the principal and secretaries with Bushmasters.

            How Many Dead First
            Graders Will It Take?

            If 20 dead first graders won’t force us to change our violent gun culture, would 100? Or 300? We don’t seem to have much regard for our children anyway. We don’t protect them from semi-automatic weapons with 100-round drum magazines. We lead the civilized world with child poverty, and underfund children’s health programs so that they can’t handle increasing rates of asthma and diabetes. Neither do we adequately fund education facilities in population centers.
            What would happen if adult groups were targeted? What if we lost 26 Wall Street banksters in a mass murder around the Wall Street Bull? What if we had a mass murder of 26 members of the Business Roundtable at the Four Seasons? What if we had a mass slaying of 26 Roman Catholic bishops at their annual conference in D.C.? What if 26 members of the Fargo Rotary Club were murdered in 26 seconds at their weekly meeting? What if 26 members of the NRA executive staff and board members were killed in 13 seconds at their annual meeting? What scares me is that I have no idea whether these deaths would make any difference either.
            I am not anti-gun, I am anti-insanity. I have firearms and have hunted with rifle and shotgun when young. Further, I have firearm experience not many have had. In the Marine Corps I commanded a heavy machinegun platoon and later a Marine Corps rifle company. I have trained with and fired semi-automatic pistols and rifles, fully automatic .30 caliber light and heavy machine guns, .50 caliber machineguns, 60 mm. mortars, 81 mm. mortars, 4.2 mortars, 105 artillery pieces, and even a few flame throwers.

            Are We Dealing
            With Psychopaths
            In The Gun Culture?

            A psychopath is a person with a brain disorder who lacks a conscience. If you are sane and have a conscience, you have regard for your fellow human beings. If you lack one, you are callous, lie with impunity, and are ruthless. As Martha Stout, one expert in the field, says, “The reality is... no one matters to a psychopath. In reality, a touch of psychopathy would mean a malignant streak of brutality, oiliness, predatory single-mindedness, callousness, carelessness, exclusive self-involvement, and clinical impulsivity.” If you have ever watched Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice-president of the NRA, give a speech, several of these traits are evident. Stout adds, “The majority of psychopaths are nonviolent... but some are psychopathic serial killers. Psychopathy is a profound and tragic disorder, one for which, at present, there is no cure.”
            I have lived through the period when loosely organized “militias” across the country were “snoopin’ and poopin’” in the woods preparing to fight, as Mollie Ivins would say, the “guvinment.” These were the days of Timothy McVeigh of the Christian Identity and fertilizer bombs, the deadly accuracy of Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Branch Davidians, and the Montana Freemen. These “forces” were psychopathic because they had the single-mindedness and callousness to kill other human beings, refusing to believe they could challenge their government with ideas instead of guns. Some prayed while they killed.
            When the Constitution was approved, it was musket versus musket in the woods and towns. Armies marched against the enemy in neat rows with overpowering numbers. Muskets always could pick off a few. But fumbling for a ramrod, a powder bag, and a round took over a minute, so the neat row could march on. A Bushmaster could have wiped out the neat row in seconds. Today “patriots” may have Bushmasters, but the government has tanks, Blackhawk attack helicopters, and aircraft carriers if needed. The idea of armed revolution against the “guvinment” is not only pathological, it is suicidal and stupid.
            It is absolutely essential that our government determine what technology citizens should have at their disposal for hunting, shooting sports, and personal protection. Is a .50 caliber spotting or sniper rifle proper technology for the guy in the middle of your block? Does a citizen need an armor-piercing round that can be accurate at a mile and go through an engine block? How about a 60 mm. mortar so you can shoot over the hill? Does a citizen need cop-killer bullets and those that “mush up” to mangle organs?

            Are Bullet Holes A
            Pre-Existing Condition
            In This Country?

            William Myers of St. Paul defined one of our really serious health problems in a letter to the Star Tribune: “We have a serious public health problem in the United States. I define it as too many bullet holes in people.” I have a question for those who support the NRA position on guns. What is the total cost projected to treat the wounds of the 70,000 people each year who don’t die from wounds they suffer when they are shot? The 20 school children killed in Sandy Hook School each suffered multiple gunshot wounds. A pathologist conducting the autopsies reported that one child was hit eleven times. What does a first grader weigh? Perhaps 45 pounds? What happens when eleven bullets designed to break up bones and flesh hit a 45-pound body fired from a weapon with a very high muzzle velocity? No wonder the police told the surviving students and adults to close their eyes as they were led from the building. Bullets are designed to wound and kill. In combat, one enemy dead doesn’t require any medical care. But one wounded may require two or three other soldiers to treat him and to save him from further damage.

            There were 58 wounded in the mass killing at Aurora. The total cost of the 58 will not be totaled until they all die. A few were treated and released the night of the shooting. Some remained in hospitals for months. A few are still hospitalized. Some have been permanently disabled and will require millions of dollars to survive for any length of time. One man suffered a severed spine and has to be on a ventilator permanently. Spleens, kidneys, genitals, guts, brains, and other organs were damaged beyond repair. Shattered bones put victims in wheelchairs. Five million dollars were collected in the first two months for use by the wounded. It was spent quickly. The Congressional Budget Office should be required to estimate the lifelong costs of the wounded of the Aurora killing. The American people and the gun lobby have to know what guns are costing us. No doubt Aurora will cost us many millions for the next half century. We need to have an accurate estimate. Among the 23 most populous high-income nations, we have 80 percent of the firearm deaths. We have had over one million citizens killed by guns in the last 40 years, and the wounded haven’t even been counted. After the CBO comes up with the cost estimate for Aurora, it can start figuring the cost for the 70,000 wounded in 2012. Such an estimate would be in the billions of dollars.

            Just What Was
            Adam Lanza’s
            Mother Thinking?

            In my career as a school principal and district administrator, I have had to deal with many parents, some much like Mr. and Mrs. Peter Lanza. Maybe someday the dots of their lives and their family will be connected, but with the information I have at this time, nothing seems to make sense. What assistance did they seek for Adam when as a young child he demonstrated unusual behavior, including anti-social body language? Adam’s father was a $500,000-a-year big wheel in the General Electric tax department. Adam’s mother, a stockbroker successful enough to get her husband through college, was called “very intelligent” by the firm that handled her divorce four years ago. Adam was 16 at the time.

            I may be making a quick judgment in this case, but if you have a child who is very bright but can’t look anybody in the eye, one who does not feel pain if he burns or hurts himself, one who is such a problem he must be home-schooled because he doesn’t react well in a school classroom, why didn’t you continue to pursue professional help for him? Why didn’t you put him in a special school for autistic children? Those schools are expensive, but you could have afforded it five times over. Peter, your ex-husband, paid you $289,800 in 2012. Don’t tell me Connecticut, one of the richest states, does not offer such services for mentally challenged students.

            Taking a child with those social and personal handicaps to shooting ranges so he could learn how to shoot a Bushmaster? Collecting and purchasing semi-automatic weapons because you are some kind of survivalist paranoid about an economic disaster? My God, Nancy Lanza, you sealed your own fate with the weapons you were amassing to survive.

            Is An Armed Society
            A Polite Society?

            LaPierre of the NRA says more guns equal more safety—and “an armed society is a polite society.” Brandishing semi-automatics on Main Street makes people more polite? Does such a polite society create more civility? Perhaps an OK Corral séance with Doc Holliday, the Earps, the Clantons, and the McLaurys would settle this once and for all.

            I see a few NRA stalwarts are finally coming out of their bunkers and saying they are willing to have armed guards in every school if they can lovingly cradle semi-automatic assault rifles that can fire a 100-round drum of bullets every 60 seconds.

            Most people who have had military training and have experienced combat understand what firearms can do. They have passed tests. But when a Bushmaster is advertised as a “manhood gun,” it appeals to adolescent wannabe Rambo-Earp-Clanton types who need a black, folding stock, semi-automatic rifle with flash suppressor that looks like the M-16. Evidently that rifle must serve the same purpose as those bottles of stuff that make you five inches longer and an inch wider.

            With our current politicians occupying toll booths in the Best Congress Money Can Buy, I see little hope that significant action will be taken against the gun culture. We have a group of politicians who cower before a paranoid, psychopathic NRA hierarchy supported by arms companies that go to the bank after each mass killing. This is the same crowd that sees UN black helicopters just over the horizon supporting blue-helmeted thugs coming to take our golf courses away.

            http://duluthreader.com/articles/2012/12/30/1309_the_american_disease

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:02 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:52 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013

            HTC- "The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools?" -- Henrik Ibsen

            IABD- Another of Henrik Ibsen's quotes: the strongest man in the world is the man who stands most alone." was from his play, an "Enemy of the People" and deeply inspired Adolph Hitler. In other words, are you telling us Hitler was politically correct and the people are all fools? I believe Mitt Romney was also saying the same thing.

            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/10/hitler-ibsen-and-political-theater/

            Ibsen and Hitler by Steven F. Sage

            To what extent was the Nazi movement suffused with pure theater? What explains the fascination that Nazi symbols and Adolf Hitler himself had for millions, then and even today? Classic theater in Europe, especially drama, has always been viewed as serious literature, and Germany to this day has more theaters than any other country in the world. During the National Socialist period the Nazi Party made great use of theatrical techniques to embellish Party events.

            In Ibsen and Hitler, Steven F. Sage assesses the impact Henrik Ibsen’s plays had on the development of Adolf Hitler’s Welt­an­schauung and place in history. Sage, who completed the book as a scholar at the Center for Advanced Holocaust Studies of the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, must be read with caution because he moves rapidly from Hitler’s appreciation of Ibsen’s plays, especially Emperor and Galilean, which is factual and convincing, to what the author considers the dictator’s slavish obsession and identification with the playwright’s other plots and characters, which is far less convincing. Always mindful that this book has been written to further traduce the National Socialist leaders of the period, nonetheless much of the material intro­duced is new to the American reader and well worth examining.

            Ibsen and Hitler argues that there are much more than coincidental similarities between the characters and plot lines in Ibsen’s plays and the policies and speeches of Adolf Hitler. Indeed, textual analysis of passages from Hitler’s speeches and passages in the plays reveals parallels that could hardly be accidental. The three Ibsen plays upon which Sage bases his study are: Emperor and Galilean, The Master Builder, and An Enemy of the People. Emperor and Galilean tells the story of Julian the Apostate, a nephew of the Christian emperor Constantine the Great, and his foiled attempt to reinstate paganism in the Roman Empire. Ibsen considered Emperor and Galilean to be his magnum opus. It was first published in Norway in 1873 and was translated into German in 1899.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 9:52 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            Oh yes, the poor Republicans were "scolded" and treated so poorly. Wah Wah Wah. You got past the point of silly Frank to stupid for thinking anyone other than your loyal puppies will believe any of it. The GOP made it clear (documented) during that speech they would do anything to get him out. They filibustered even good bills and tried every dirty trick possible to get him out and - guess what - they failed. Now any of the GOP with any sense (present company excluded) are starting to realize they don't want to play that game any more. Too bad you would rather sell newspapers than realize it.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:32 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2685

            Well done Frank. Part of this nation's problems is the view that Chairman Obama's 'big gov't" can be a benevolent dictatorship. it simply doesn't work that way. Too many of his visions view a Utopia where everyone will be given what they need. health care 'reform" - the ill-informed must realize this is about 'holding down costs" and ridding the U.S. of "non-productive"people. yes, say goodbye to Gramma and Grandpa, and any babies born with "defects" nor cost effective to fix. Too bad. When fuel and power costs soar beyond survive-ability for the "middle class", those ill-informed folks will most likely conclude that Chairman Obama and his regime's EPA did more damage than good. Maybe had the 'replacement infra-structure" been in place before shutting down coal power plants, the heavy-handed dictatorial regulations would have been seen as beneficial? Well, keep your guns hidden, stock up on ammo, keep your mouth-shut etc. Behave as if King Obama is our beloved monarch.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:16 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Those who love big government and see it is as the solution to our problems need to take a closer look at the lifestyles of their poltical masters.

            America has seen many boomtowns come and go, from the steel towns and Motor City (Detroit), to the goldrush towns and cattle towns of old. In every case they had one thing in common: they were producing something that consumers wanted and valued.

            Today, economic figures show that America's new boomtown is Washington D.C. Seven of the richest counties in the U.S. surround or lay within the Beltway. 15% (nearly $600B this year) of the dollars our government spends every year are spent in the D.C. area. The average federal wage in the area is now over $120K/yr. with benefits and a retirement package virtually unequalled anywhere in the private sector.

            While the rest of the nation enters its fifth year of a jobless 'recovery', coupled with rising unemployment, and most middleclass households have seen a significant decline in income over the past 4 years, D.C. is booming with more housing, business and shopping mall construction than ever.

            For the first time in American history, we have seen a major boomtown appear that prospers, not by producing wealth, but by appropriating it for itself at the expense of others who still struggle to get by.

            America is now ruled and extorted by a political class that makes the so-called "robber barons" look like altar boys.

            America, meet your new masters:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvgt1X1M26k

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:00 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Rob123: It is interesting, as everyone defends or attacks the current system of '25%(+/-) of GDP is now spent by the Government, while only collecting 20%(+/-) of GDP in taxes' to wonder how such a simple math problem could get so complicated? Increase revenue or cut spending, or both. It's actually quite simple.

            HTC: It is actually quite simple; in fact, even more so than you've described.

            We know from decades of historical data from the study of democratic economies that national governments will get, on average, 18-20% of GDP, regardless of tax policies or what the top marginal tax rates happen to be. Many attempts have been made to appropriate more than that, but none have succeeded except for a very short period of time. Most such attempts actually produced a slowing in the economy and in job creation and we will likely see that happen this year thanks to the tax increases passed at the beginning of the year.

            If we are to ever right our fiscal ship, we must all recognize that we have a spending problem, not a revenue problem. We cannot tax our way out of our fast-growing deficits, nor can we grow our way out of them. We simply must cut spending and cut it dramatically. With nearly 70% of federal spending currently going to entitlements, and that expected to grow to 90% by the end of the decade, most of these cuts will have to come from that side of the budget.

            Anyone who cannot or will not acknowledge this one inescapable fact simply does not deserve to be treated as an adult and our nation is seriously short of real adults.

            The Democrats will never agree to such cuts simply because they have built their power around the nanny state which they've spent 80+ years creating. To dismantle the nanny state is to simultaneously raze their party.

            America has chosen poorly its political 'leaders', particularly in the last two presidential elections, and the consequences of those choices will be visiting us soon enough.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:28 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9898

            Blake: [Quoting Edsall] "In broader terms, the political confrontation pits taxpayers, who now form the core of the center-right coalition, against tax consumers who form the core of the center-left."

            HTC: Economists have long warned that if we allowed the day to come where there were more tax consumers than taxpayers, the republic would be lost due to the resulting "tyranny of the majority." Sadly, we crossed that line in 2011.

            Whether or not Edsall or other progressives realize the unsustainability of this situation is debatable but the Democratic Party long ago recognized its utility for enriching their party's power and influence. No one has recognized the value of this imbalance and sought to grow and capitalize upon it more than Mr. Obama, and he has very successfully done both.

            The number of people now dependent upon various social programs has mushroomed in the past four years, as has the number of unemployed and underemployed, as well as those who now work for government. ALL government spending (federal, state and local) now accounts for 51% of GDP. More Americans than ever now feel that they can't succeed financially without the 'help' of government.

            There can be little doubt that this heightened level of despair in America helped to secure Obama's reelection, as all the GOP were offering were the familiar themes of personal responsibility, hard work and present suffering for the sake of our children's futures.

            The 2012 election offered us the choice between the siren call of being taken care of versus virtue's call for paying for our past sins rather than passing that burden on to our progeny. We are a selfish people, so last November's choice was obvious for many. We voted for ourselves at the expense of our children.

            Obama did not address job creation in his first term, nor even mention it or the economy in his second inaugural address because he has no intention of putting the private sector on a growth trajectory which would ultimately free the people from government dependency. He wants more dependency and more wealth-redistribution because, below his smooth, confident, lying exterior beats the heart of a true Marxist and a man whose cunning is frequently underestimated.

            And, so, our nation is firmly on a course to national bankruptcy which many economists believe will occur within the next 10-15 years, if not sooner. For all freedom-loving patriots who resent government's intrusion in every aspect of our lives, libertarianism by bankruptcy is our last, best hope.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:52 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

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            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:48 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Apparently you believe that if you requote such foolishness frequently enough, it willl transform itself into truth and wisdom.

            "The majority is never right. Never, I tell you! That's one of these lies in society that no free and intelligent man can help rebelling against. Who are the people that make up the biggest proportion of the population -- the intelligent ones or the fools?" -- Henrik Ibsen

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:28 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6595

            Blake: "In broader terms, the political confrontation pits taxpayers, who now form the core of the center-right coalition, against tax consumers who form the core of the center-left."

            [thumbup]

            It is interesting, as everyone defends or attacks the current system of '25%(+/-) of GDP is now spent by the Government, while only collecting 20%(+/-) of GDP in taxes' to wonder how such a simple math problem could get so complicated? Increase revenue or cut spending, or both. It's actually quite simple.
            Of course, Frank's use of the Old Testament Daniel to express the Hindu Law of Karma will cause many to splinter into groups to argue for the best methodology to address the problem, and soon everyone forgets the issue at hand and the next election becomes nothing but a Culture War argument.

            And an interesting tidbit concerning U.S. Mega Companies/Corporations and their profits held off shore for Tax Purposes. Until last week, I had no idea that a U.S.Company could hold money in a Tax Free Off Shore Account, but due to the nature of said country's stability and politics, said company can actually buy U.S.Treasury Bonds and feel secure without giving up the Tax Free Off Shore nature of the money.......incredible! Do our Senators know this? Of course, they wrote the law.

             
          • Blake posted at 2:19 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            Blake Posts: 162

            Probably nobody else besides "It's a beautiful day" will wade through the roughly 340 (aggregate) lines he has so skillfully pasted below.

            Instead, I'll offer something that's brief and readable from New York Times columnist Thomas Edsall, writing last November 18:

            "In broader terms, the political confrontation pits taxpayers, who now form the core of the center-right coalition, against tax consumers who form the core of the center-left."

            ( http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/18/is-rush-limbaughs-country-gone )

            That frank statement is especially significant, coming from a New York Timesman.

            It's not clear, however, if Edsall is any more cognizant of the **unsustainability** of the taxpayers vs. tax consumers imbalance we've evolved to than is "It's a beautiful day," with his voluminous and smug class-warfare boilerplate (evident from sparse sampling of it).

             
          • libra42 posted at 10:09 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            Great column, Frank. The country is at a crossroads and desperately needs leadership but instead is given illusion, speeches, promises and propaganda. We have survived much worse and I believe we will survive this. We may get a taste of ashes before we rise again, but if we can hang on until we learn that we can't survive on other peoples money, we will be back. As usual, we live in interesting times!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:08 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            The Guns AND Butter Myth

            by Gary G. Kohls, MD 01/25/2013

            Years ago I read a newspaper story about an elderly man who lived in an impoverished area of Cleveland, Ohio. The man was a friendless loner who seemed to have no caring family members. Neighbors had noticed his mail piling up on his porch, and, with no responses to knocks on the door, they called the police, who broke into the man’s house.

            What they found is an allegory for our time, especially after another, peculiarly American school shooting, the latest one involving non-hunting weapons and the gunning down of two dozen defenseless little children and staff members at an elementary school.

            The withered old man was found dead in his bed, surrounded by rifles, pistols, and guns of every description. Boxes of bullets and cartridges were stacked on the floor. He had a knife in his cold, dead hand and an actual harpoon was leaning against his refrigerator, which was empty.
            In a nation of plenty and with grocery stores in the man’s neighborhood, the well-armed man had starved to death.

            He had fiercely exercised his precious second amendment rights but had ignored his neighbors, family, and his health. He had apparently heard the National Rifle Association’s sermons about defending one’s property against intruders—by lethal means if necessary—but he had chosen to remove himself from civil society and starved to death, all alone in his well-defended room.

            The man had wasted away, in a paranoid state, while “defending” himself against imaginary “others” who never did come to rob him. He had spent all of his money, including his Social Security and pension checks, on guns and ammunition, but he had spent nothing on food or life-sustaining activities. He was obsessed by the fear of burglars and thieves, and it had cost him his life.

            And, what was perhaps a more tragic reality, he had been suspicious of his neighbors, all of whom were potential friends who were probably keeping their distance from the crazy old man with the guns.

            Painful lessons for
            our paranoid and heavily
            armed nation

            Our paranoid, militarized, and heavily armed nation will probably ignore the lessons that should be obvious from that story. The arms race that financially bankrupted the Soviet Union and morally (and nearly financially) bankrupted the United States during the Cold War was run at the expense of the sick, hungry, under-employed, homeless, and desperate people everywhere, including many who were living, unnoticed, in our own neighborhoods and in our local ghettos on the other side of the tracks.

            Mutual fear of the “other” caused the two superpowers and their allies to spend obscene amounts of money on inedible and unnecessary weapons systems. The training of tens of millions of “kill or be killed” warriors who were both spiritually and emotionally deprived and deformed (often for the rest of their lives) inevitably weakened the moral integrity of the nation as well, all in the name of “national security.” Contrary to what patriots who believe in American exceptionalism think (and expect the rest of us to think as well), America hasn’t been able to afford both guns and butter without borrowing money in order to keep that delusion going.

            The Pentagon’s wars ever since the Reagan years have been mostly paid for with massive amounts of borrowing and huge indebtedness, rather than with increased taxes, and the return on that “investment” has been lousy. The investor classes and lending institutions were happy, however, for they are the ones who receive the guaranteed interest payments on the T-bills and Treasury bonds. But the increasing number of under-water private citizens are finding themselves forced to use credit cards to even pay for basic human necessities like food, water, clothing, health care, shelter, and education. The increasing amount of joblessness, homelessness, home foreclosures, and bread lines shouldn’t surprise anybody.

            The disastrous moral and
            economic emaciation of
            militarized nations

            During the Cold War, the two saber-rattling superpowers each spent/wasted an irretrievable $12 trillion dollars. America spent trillions of dollars recruiting, training, and retaining troops; researching, developing, and producing expensive weapons systems; and maintaining hundreds of budget-busting military bases in countries ruled by brutal dictators and friendly fascist states as well as quasi-democracies, all the while virtually ignoring the growing numbers of impoverished and under-privileged people of color who helplessly watched their health, savings, civil rights, jobs, and food security wither and disappear.
            America has been ruled by a powerful insider group of over-privileged, body-guarded, chauffeured, and essentially conscienceless Wall Street elites who live in gated communities. They are also among the One Percent who have been fingered by the Occupy Wall Street movement as the criminal culprits who created the financial mess America is in.

            The so far unindicted and not yet behind bars One Percenters have been responsible for the Great Recession, which may still become the 21st century’s version of the Great Depression. The nefarious corporations that are responsible for the economic crash of 2008 have, with their ill-gotten gains, bought and paid for most of the major media and also many of the bribed politicians and judges who are in power, all of whom are faithfully serving their paymasters by helping to implement their agendas in state houses around the nation. Most of these pro-corporate political leaders (both un-elected and elected, including five of our nine Supreme Court justices) are dutifully promoting their greedy and godless agendas. These traitors to real democracy only preach fiscal responsibility when the bottom lines of their paymasters are at risk. They never seem to act when people in the lower 99 are in a financial crisis, including those needing jobs, healthcare, relief from Hurricane Sandy, or protection from illegal foreclosures.

            The moneyed ruling class, with large fortunes and investments to hide and protect, have conveniently forgotten that it was their Reaganomics-inspired predatory lending and the massive borrowing and spending tactics (the propaganda trick called “trickle-down” economics) that sky-rocketed America’s national debt to its current unsustainable level. The debt crises that follow are only being met with more borrowing and spending cuts for programs of social uplift, with no one questioning the obscene, nearly one trillion dollar annual budgets that continue to bloat the Pentagon. National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) budget requests are, year after year, approved by nearly unanimous majorities of our chicken-hearted legislators of both political parties in the dark of night, when the daily news cycle is at hibernation status.

            The chickens have
            come home to roost

            And now, predictably, the chickens (in more than one sense of the word) have come home to roost. Strongly deluded that there is “glory” in war—and with blank-check borrowing and spending on weaponry—America has spawned tens of millions of sick, hungry, homeless, under-employed, under-educated, addicted, psychologically traumatized, and impoverished people, many of whom are conveniently hidden in inner cities that the out-of-touch policy makers never see.

            Universal health care, which large majorities of the population desire, is habitually rejected by the powers-that-be in the medical, pharmaceutical, and insurance industries. After all, the politicians who have been financed by such industries have great health insurance and health care themselves. So why would greedy One Percenters want to have their taxes go up to help those they have made sick, poor, and hungry? (For that matter, why should the One Percent want to pay taxes that support public libraries and parks when they themselves have personal libraries and private playgrounds?) “Let ‘em eat grass” (the fateful comment made to starving Indians by the thoughtless Minnesota territory Indian agent who was later found dead with his mouth stuffed full of grass).

            But America’s rapidly deteriorating infrastructure can’t and won’t be fixed while bloated and wasteful military budgets go unopposed in Congress. You can’t afford both guns and butter! If readers of this column are seeing cuts to the programs that make life worth living, understand that much of the blame should be placed on the massive Pentagon borrowing and spending that has gone on every year since the massive increases in spending on nuclear weaponry during the administrations of old 666 himself, Ronald Wilson Reagan.

            Does our nation have
            a military, or does our
            military have a nation?

            What is the eventual outcome of putting a society’s basic human needs last? Poor mental and physical health, poor educational opportunities, a poorly trained workforce, underemployment, drug use (both illicit and prescription), hopelessness, suicidality, homicidality, addictive behaviors (including gambling), domestic abuse, street gangs, prostitution, ignorance, malnutrition, desperation, poverty, and inevitable anger at and a desire to retaliate against a system of government and corporate control that neglects its people and then shows no signs of remorse for having done so. It shouldn’t surprise us that the Occupy Wall Street and Arab Spring movements have emerged and are being crushed by the powers-that-be.

            Are average Americans going to continue to be perpetually sickened and impoverished while blindly cheering our unaffordable #1 Military Superpower status? Are we going to continue to waste scarce resources on bankrupting wars and military occupations worldwide while refusing to make investments at home that would ensure a sustainable economy, physically and mentally healthy citizens, and a healthy planet?

            Are the weapons makers, the gun runners, the Pentagon, the FBI, and the CIA (and the dozens of other intelligence agencies) really just expensive make-work jobs programs that protect the global investments of the obscenely wealthy, war-profiteering multinational corporations that further impoverish the rest of society? Knowing that the “black box” budgets of the dozens of American intelligence agencies now approximate a trillion dollars a year makes one wonder if our nation has a military or if our military has a nation.

            Are we going to continue ignoring the fact that wasteful war industry jobs cost twice as much to generate and fund as jobs in health care, education, infrastructure repair, or green technology? Are we going to continue to allow excessive military spending at the expense of the disappearing middle and burgeoning lower classes? Are we going to continue fearing the wrath of the 800-pound gorillas of the One Percent that intimidate and threaten us into silence and inaction?

            Or we going to courageously organize and band together to refuse to cooperate with the One Percenters who are withholding it from those of us in the lower 99?

            Is it too late to resist
            the unjust agendas of
            the One Percent?

            The military/industrial/congressional (MIC) complex that President Eisenhower warned us about in his farewell address has increasingly parasitized the U.S. economy since World War II, and it has proven to be disastrous for average Americans. The MIC has orchestrated the extinction of family farms, family businesses, and trade unions, starting with Reagan, and it has created the heartless union-busting multinational corporations that yearn to pay slave wages to their workers. That complex has been behind the “fouling of the nest” (the poisoned environment), with tens of thousands of lethal, immune system-destroying, and cancer-causing industrial pollutants, radioactive waste disposal sites, and toxic military dumpsites that will continue to foul the food, water, soil, and air for generations unless effective programs are instituted.

            Unsustainable levels of personal credit card debt, college loan debt, healthcare debt, and home mortgage debt among the lower 99 Percent, who were tempted, by predatory lenders, to imitate what seems to be the norm for the One Percenters, have resulted in an epidemic of home mortgage foreclosures, personal bankruptcies, and homelessness.

            Although it might already be too late, the lower 99 may finally be waking up and trying to reverse the nation’s descent toward total economic collapse, at which time the One Percent, with their fortunes un-depleted, will snap up everything they covet at fire sale prices.

            Being armed to the teeth and universally feared and hated (because of America’s exploitative bullying behavior around the world) is not a sustainable path to global security. Because of America’s bullying behavior and its misbegotten, generations-long over-spending on its weapons systems (that continue to victimize billions of people, including its own citizens), we will soon have nobody interested in rescuing us from our massive indebtedness and our self-imposed, suicidal path towards collapse. Without a change, America is destined to become a despised pariah state, just like the armed dead man in Cleveland, as it sinks further and further into moral and spiritual depravity.

            We Americans have to stop deluding ourselves into thinking that we can spend borrowed money on both guns and butter. America cannot continue to go the route of empty refrigerators and lethal weapons everywhere. It must reject one of the ways and embrace the other. What say you?

            Dr. Kohls is a peace and justice activist and a retired holistic mental health physician whose patients informed him about the disastrous mental and physical health consequences of racism, poverty, militarism, domestic violence, drugs, parental abuse and neglect, and malnutrition, especially the malnutrition of the brain.
            http://duluthreader.com/articles/2013/01/25/1384_the_guns_and_butter_myth

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:48 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            IABD- Mr. Miele, Another great sermon from the truly myopic visionary.
            Try viewing this from another angle....

            Give me liberty, give me hollow rhetoric, Part Two

            by Forrest Johnson

            Denial was once again on parade as the vastly uninformed New Conservative Neanderthal Party and its many candidates gushed over tax cuts for the rich and spending cuts for the rest of society in order to stimulate the economocracy. True to the head-in-the-sand philosophy of the neo-patriotic and neo-Christian, union-busting, family value climate change deniers, the free market disciples and self-styled protectors of the rich, the trumpeted cuts hold true to principles developed over the years by right wing fear mongers like Karl Rove and the billionaire Koch Brothers, silent partners in the Tea party movement.

            The mere notion that a nation and its people can cut its way to growth is ludicrous. Nothing cuts its way to growth. The idea is an oxymoron.

            Put a flag pin on your lapel and you’re in.

            This is a game on a grand scale, pure and simple and the electorate is the pawn, the feudal servant.

            For decades the right wing ideologues have commandeered the puppet strings, enhancing the vast military-industrial complex and the top few percent of income earners, swathed in a Christian hue while praying to the gods of empire.

            Let’s see, if elected aforementioned candidates and their minions will try to repeal the health care law and block Medicaid and food aid for the poor, eliminate the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, do away with AmeriCorps, restrict funding for the 2010 financial reform law, cut back on environmental regulations for clean air and water.

            All of the moves mask the intent to further de-regulate industry and fail to hold American financial and manufacturing companies at least partly responsible for the dismantling of the American middle class.

            According to Harold Meyerson, yes, an avowed lefty but his facts hold up, there is a new reality to our economy.

            “As corporate profits skyrocket, even as the economy remains stalled in a deep recession, Americans confront a grim new reality: Our corporations don’t need us anymore. Half their revenues come from abroad. Their products, increasingly, come from abroad as well. With each passing year, America’s leading corporations grow more and more decoupled from the American economy. Their interests grow increasingly detached from those of our workers, our consumers—and our economic future. That’s why the current downturn is different from it’s predecessors:

            Unlike any recession in American history—including the Great Depression—this one has come at a time when America’s leading employers can return to profitability without rehiring large numbers of American workers.”

            I have long said that we are failing to engage in the real discussions that impact our nation. Our most expensive health care system got right where it is under the watchful eye of the thinly regulated free market. Our economy crashed at the hands of the unregulated derivatives housing market, again under the watchful eye of the free market. Our manufacturing base has departed under the watchful eye of the free market.

            Right now the binge of rhetoric is on to encourage job growth and hiring. To the New Conservative Neanderthal Party that means letting loose the reins of any semblance of corporate or citizen responsibility for the shared costs of civil society. Using the rhetoric of victimization, the righties say the burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of business owners and the top two percent of income earners and any notion of taxation only hinders the effort to create jobs. The right has complained that the business community is encumbered by some of the highest taxes in the developed world.

            The tax rates may appear on the books but what is finally paid is a far different number if the company finance director has any say.

            So we’ll ignore the mess the finance industry and Wall Street made of our economy, the decades long fleeing of businesses from these shores in search of cheap labor, and protect the rich from tax increases.

            In Minnesota, the righties play victim and say the top income earners will flee the state for lower tax havens if the legislature doesn’t act to lower the tax burden.

            Flee the state! And they’ll take their jobs and dollars with them they claim.

            The top few percent of income earners are hurting? I’m sorry but the pain just isn’t the same pain that’s being felt by the other 95 percent of the state’s income earners plus the Army of the Unemployed and Underemployed.

            Flee the state? So long, take a hike I’ve always said.

            The denial continues. The blind eye to fact continues. Give me liberty, give me hollow rhetoric!
            http://duluthreader.com/articles/2012/08/16/846_give_me_liberty_give_me_hollow_rhetoric_part_two

             
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