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Posted: Saturday, December 8, 2012 7:00 pm

Last week, the world was told that Syria’s President Bashar Assad is poised to use chemical weapons against his own people in a last-ditch effort to retain power despite his growing unpopularity.

Such a maneuver can certainly be classified as insane, because it would have the opposite result of that which is intended. Most likely, the people of Syria in combination with the people of the world would not only depose Assad, but would try him for war crimes as well — should he live that long!

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          203 comments:

          • Rob123 posted at 9:33 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: "Oh, but I forget that you're not big on the Constitution."

            Oh, I don't know.....I guess I'm just not a dogmatic worshiper of holy things. Kind of a living document sort of guy, with a couple gun cabinets full of rifles and pistols and shotguns. And lots of ammo...... go figure, eh?

            I still think the graph was interesting. I also knew it would raise a scream from you, despite it being soaked in KY Jelly. Try to relax.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:12 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123 posted at 4:37 am on Sun, Dec 16, 201

            Naturally you miss the fact that there's this little thing called the Second Amendment and that any right that is substantially regulated is no longer a right but a privilege.

            If you can demonstrate where driving a car on public roads is a right guaranteed in the Constitution, your comparison would be valide.

            Oh, but I forget that you're not big on the Constitution.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:08 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 1:17 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012

            HTC: The point is they didn't run away, did they? It's easier to control people than you think.

            Then there's serial killers, most of whom haven't used guns.

            Mexico and many other countries with strict gun control laws and much higer homicide rates prove that, when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Our own states with concealed carry laws have also proven that violent crime rates go down when the general population is armed and criminals don't know who does or does not have a gun.

            I don't 'worhship' handguns - I desire peace and security and, unlike you, I'm smart enough to realize that only a well-armed population as well as well-armed nations enjoy those wonderful things.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:37 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492615064112690&set=a.367249613315903.85664.354522044588660&type=1&theater

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:17 am on Sun, Dec 16, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:07 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012. :Seems it's easier than your logic-challenged brain will allow.
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            You blithering idiot. You compare the murder of 20 children by a man with a handgun to this?--------------

            Chinese man attacks 22 children, 1 adult with knife outside primary school
            Case is the latest in a spate of school attacks in China in recent years. Min Yingjun, 36, slashed an elderly woman before zoning in on the schoolchildren, police said. No deaths have been reported.
            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/man-attacks-22-kids-knife-china-school-article-1.1220230#ixzz2FCSXlJuB

            FU azzwipe. Worship your handguns all you want, you fool. Ask ANY parent of one of those DEAD kids in Newton if they'd rather the guy had used a knife instead. They'd be alive today if he had.
            And your asinine report about Mexico's firearms murder rate is misleading. About two-thirds are officially classed as being part of the drug war, which has transformed into a fight between paramilitary death squads.

            And while drug war killings have shot up, so-called “common” killings — including crimes of passion and bar brawls — have actually gone down.

            Again, you're an ignorant conservative with an agenda. You're a dangerous little man.

            Gloves are coming off this week, you tool.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:33 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:07 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.
            "In Mexico, where most people can't legally buy or own guns, the homicide rate last year was 24 per 100,000."

            Any clue as to why it is so high? Or are you satisfied that the statistic speaks for itself?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:07 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 1:21 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012

            Your understanding of crime statistics is as pathetic as your understanding of economics.

            Last year, the homicide rate in the U.S., the most heavily-armed population in the world, was 4.8 per 100,000.

            In Mexico, where most people can't legally buy or own guns, the homicide rate last year was 24 per 100,000.

            Seems gun control doesn't prevent violent deaths worth a crap; but don't expect a liberal to EVER understand what is for them such an EMOTIONAL subject.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:59 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 3:31 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012

            Just a few days ago, a madman in China attacked 22 children and a teacher with a large knife, with many of them still in critical condition in the hospital.

            Seems it's easier than your logic-challenged brain will allow.

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:31 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            mooseberryinn, handguns make it so easy though.
            "Hold still, kids, while I pour this gasoline on you and dig this Bic outta my pocket."
            "Stop running, I only have so many arrows and yer gettin' outta range!"
            box-cutters? You're joking.
            Explosives? I get mine at Home Depot.

             
          • libra42 posted at 3:12 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            Please see my comment under the news story.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 1:43 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            Standby for the hordes of shallow minded "blame it on guns" crowd. In spite of the fact none of the weapons used aimed themselves or pulled their own triggers, guns will be blamed. There are literally millions of weapons of all types loose on Earth. The wacko could have used gasoline, explosives, arrows etc. or even "box-cutters". It's a shame the Principal or a teacher didn't have a suitable weapon for defense. Humans have become warped to the point where to many, "life" has little value. Witness the Islamic jihadists as merely the example of today. I suspect many of us, had we been there and armed would not have hesitated to shoot the wacko. Personally, I'd have shot him ten times.

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:21 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Last year, handguns killed:
            48 people in Japan-
            8 in Great Britain-
            34 in Switzerland-
            52 in Canada-
            58 in Israel-
            21 in Sweden-
            42 in West Germany-
            and 10,728 in the United States.

            We need more guns!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:05 pm on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana posted at 10:17 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012

            That's just WAY too much logic for a poor little progressive to digest. They prefer surface analyses only (the limit of their intellectual depth), which is why they get almost everything bass ackwards.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:17 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            December 15, 2012

            Good Guns Can Kill Bad People
            Russ Vaughn

            The progressives hadn't let the blood dry on the classroom floor in Newton, CT before they were using the deaths of all those children to leverage their cause of gun control. Had conservative broadcasters attempted to exploit such human suffering, they'd be roundly denounced as soulless ghouls and rightly so. When I first read online of the killings, I just shook my head in sadness then immediately steeled myself for what I knew was coming from the hysterical lefties. They did not disappoint although, I must confess to a certain despair that Mayor Bloomberg has become such a predictable old scold. Can we not somehow sue this turkey for calling himself a Republican?

            Another horrific mass murder and if we could not predict its timing we could predict its site within certain parameters. With predictable regularity, the most lethal of these types of attacks take place in public venues such as shopping malls, restaurants, theaters, with the deadliest frequently being institutions of learning. We are all familiar with the Columbine High School killings in which 12 students and a single teacher died or the Virginia Tech massacre where 32 people died. Fewer remember the 2006 killing of five Amish schoolgirls by a milk truck driver or the Jonesboro, AR school shooting in which five died, gunned down by fellow students. How many remember the memorable name of Kip Kinkel, an Oregon high school student who murdered his parents and two students in 1998? Or what about that Red Lake, MN mass killing where nine died in 2005? Of course everyone remembers the Aurora, CO theater shooting, but what about the 2007 Arvada, CO school shooting that left five dead?

            The point I'm attempting to make here is that these tragedies recur with an irregular chronological predictability, but with a largely predictable targeted area, school campuses, be they elementary as with this latest tragedy, or high school as at Columbine, or university as with Virginia Tech. Other than their educational bond, they all share another commonality, the one which most likely leads to their selection by the perpetrators as the scenes for their slaughters: they are all sites where the presence of firearms is strictly prohibited and enforced with zero tolerance. There is no one to shoot back and thus deter the shooter from his maddened mission. Think about it, most of these mass shootings end with the suicide of the killer after he has accomplished his goal. Few are ever killed by authorities or captured.

            These killers control the events because they have picked the setting where that is most easily accomplished, where they can inflict the most pain and death in a very brief period of time before an armed response can be mounted. We hear them called cowards for killing the helpless. I believe they are more viciously cunning than cowardly, picking a target so vulnerable as to permit them to accomplish their goal of creating as much mayhem and death as possible in the shortest period of time.

            It's a cliché to say there's never been one of these mass shootings at a gun show, but it's a cliché birthed in truth. How about at a shooting range where a madman could walk in fully armed with total impunity, unquestioned, with multiple lethal weapons and begin firing? His entrée would be easy. Problem is, so would his predictably rapid departure. How about gun shops or sporting goods stores where guns and ammunition are sold and in plentiful supply, filled with shoppers who have a much likelier chance of carrying concealed, unlike a mall theater or food court? Ask yourselves, when was the last mass shooting at a rodeo or a NASCAR race?

            Ponder that for a while, those of you liberals who equate the presence and availability of guns with criminal shootings. The truth operates in the obverse: it is precisely where there are the most guns and people who know how to use them where the massacres do not occur. And it is precisely where guns are not present where these slaughters do take place. That is no accident; rather it is a demonstration of the awareness of mass killers as to where it will be most expedient for them to attack, where they will have the most time to conduct their slaughter.

            Some may try to prove me wrong by pointing out the Fort Hood shooting but that argument is easily refuted. As a general rule, soldiers on US military bases are not allowed to carry firearms, so the shooting took place at a de facto gun free zone, the Soldier Readiness Processing Center, a medical processing facility. Like all these other shooters, the cowardly physician who forsook his medical oath knew quite well he was targeting a place where no armed opposition would be present.

            Those who are so angry, frustrated and fed up with the futility of their lives that they have no desire to continue living have multiple ways of dealing with their problems. Fortunately, most finally accept that they must have external help and seek it, continuing to live. Others refuse that option and take their lives themselves. A few, perhaps more angry than most, go out in in flash of angry defiance, what we call death by cop. Tragically, we always have the few whose warped reasoning and boiling anger leads them to believe they must go out of this world on a stream of innocent blood from a place where the very lack of guns guarantees the fulfillment of their horrific madness.

            If you liberals want to assign morality to firearms, consider: As any combat infantryman, and I am one, can tell you, guns don't kill people; good people with good guns do kill bad people. Unfortunately, bad people with bad guns kill good people unless they are stopped by those good people with good guns. When defensive guns are known to be in the target area, such as schools, the massacre-minded madman will have second thoughts about his target selection, perhaps sending him to a gun range or a gun show to perpetrate his madness.

            Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/12/good_guns_can_kill_bad_people.html at December 15, 2012 - 11:02:06 AM CST

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:41 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: "Plato was right - people do ultimately get the government they deserve and we deserve every bit of what's coming next."

            I don't think Plato would appreciate being called a cynic. In fact, you might want to reread some of Plato's warning concerning cynicism and it's life consuming, endless pit. Check your references? "Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite" by de Maistre in Lettres et Opuscules Inédits is probably the origin, and he being French, during the French Revolutions, it kind of fits.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:35 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            An absolute MUST READ excellent summary of our economic problems:

            The Federal Reserve's Zombie Economy
            by Elizabeth MacDonald
            December 13, 2012

            Deutsche Bank is out with a new warning that says the Federal Reserve’s latest round of an estimated $1.02 trillion in total annual purchases of U.S. Treasuries and mortgage-backed securities is creating lemon socialism, a U.S. economy filled with the financially undead.

            Deutsche notes that stock markets are based on winners and losers, but there are neither right now. That’s because the Fed keeps pumping liquidity into the system, so everyone wins. When everyone wins, no one makes money, a bridge to nowhere Japan has already crossed.

            The Fed’s balance sheet could rise from $2.8 trillion currently to $4 trillion by the end of the year, even $6 trillion by the time the U.S. jobless rate gets down to the new 6.5% level the central bank wants, as the Fed stuffs a lot of paper padding at the foot of the fiscal cliff.

            “Central banks should be more selective with their intervention,” says Deutsche’s equity research team. “Normally, weak companies fail, leaving the winners to advance and new companies to enter; but at the moment no company can win because the losers never leave the field as they receive support through continuous liquidity injections.”

            Deutsche's equity team adds if the Fed were to “let markets decide, then equity markets would probably fall." It also notes: "But, as it is, if real investors can’t predict which way markets will go, then they will stay on the sidelines."

            Deutsche also says that all of this government help essentially turns into government resentment, and it turns profits--or your wallets--into sitting ducks, a bulls-eye painted on them.

            "Capital is rewarded through profits, but currently high profits can either appear socially unacceptable or as easy targets for taxation," Deutsche says.

            Consumers will pay dearly for the Fed’s new 6.5% jobless rate as cash gets trashed, a jobless rate paid for with the Fed’s new inflation target of 2.5%, higher than the Fed’s previous 2% target rate.

            “The Fed continues to operate an open bar for the fiscal drunks in Washington,” says economist Ed Yardeni.

            This is the heavy flip side to all the cheering about Fed intervention and the federal government’s AWOL "balanced" approach to the budget.

            The end game: Fix a U.S. jobs crisis borne out of a debt crisis. Avoid social unrest and protectionism. Drive down borrowing costs by buying U.S. Treasuries, with the central bank now buying two-thirds of the U.S. Treasury’s annual output. Get long-term mortgage rates down to 3% to lift homes out of negative equity.

            Give bailouts to zombie companies and zombie consumers to start spending money again by making money really cheap. The financially undead who can only just barely pay their fixed operating expenses and interest costs only on their debts (and not reduce principal).

            Also, let the U.S. government avoid tough fiscal decisions so political cronies can get re-elected by spending whatever they want on “stimulus,” with the Federal Reserve only charging the federal government a quarter of a percentage point in interest for its massive Treasury purchases. Don’t ever raise rates, you’ll rock the Treasury and muni bond markets and not flush out rotten politicians who don’t know what they’re doing with your tax dollars.

            But stimulus isn’t a magic lever in an economy where domestic demand is still sluggish, and where debt burdens are high. Creating more money doesn’t magically create credit-worthy borrowers nor induce banks to lend to borrowers who still are not credit-worthy.

            Instead, the result is this: Lemon socialism, a term coined in 1974 by New York Democrat politician Mark Green to describe the chronically dysfunctional utility Con Ed, running with a tin cup even back then to the government.

            A field of dreams economy run by the U.S government, a “you didn’t build that, we built it" economy, a build-it-and-growth-will-come field of dreams, President Barack Obama believes.

            But growth hasn’t come.

            Instead, we have zombie companies and zombie banks and zombie government balance sheets in a zombie-land economy growing at just around 1.5% annually.

            Look at the zombie resurrection of GM (GM), Citigroup (C), Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and AIG (AIG), the still-dead insurer just barely walking.

            Look at the federal government’s zombie balance sheet. A big stake in GM that’s still underwater; bad student loans that will never be repaid; green energy assets on the government’s dialysis machine, including solar energy and wind farms; empty federal buildings littering the landscape; loans to zombies Amtrak and the U.S. Postal service, and much more.

            The Federal Reserve’s hundreds of billions in mortgage-backed debt rotted through with delinquent payments.

            The Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury have kept afloat “zombie” companies at a very high cost to U.S. taxpayers and consumers, not just due to coming inflation.

            Industry sectors are overloaded with too many companies, impeding profitability, aggravating the moral hazard of the government picking winners and losers, giving them unfair market advantages.

            “Crony capitalism is remaking American business to be more like government.” Who said that? The much-maligned Koch brothers. But it’s a point that should be taken, and it’s not.

            The Federal Reserve has been keeping zombie banks alive, too, in order to help banks continue to buy U.S. Treasury debt.

            If the U.S. government broke up big banks, those bank assets would end up on the Federal Reserve balance sheet, is likely the fear, as recent history shows with Bear Stearns, AIG and Lehman Brothers. So, let those assets sit moldering out there. Even though there are plenty of banks overseas who would buy them.

            Look at the U.K., where an estimated one in 10 businesses are really zombies and now stalk the British economy, resuscitated with central bank help (for more, see here.)

            Ernst & Young’s U.K. division has already warned zombie companies in Britain are grabbing market share from healthy companies that now can’t grow because of the detritus. "The whole thing grinds along very slowly," an executive at E&Y has warned, adding, “capital is not being recycled and reinvested as it should be.”

            Japan has already impeded the “creative destruction” process Joseph Schumpeter warned is necessary in any healthy economy.

            Japan enjoyed a robust period from around 1954 to 1972, where GDP growth averaged 9.7% annually, akin to China’s breakneck growth of more than 10% annually in the mid-‘90s up until late last decade (a country also now loaded with zombie banks and companies).

            Japan continued along through the eighties, until late in that decade Japan went hog wild buying all sorts of property and bad assets. That bubble burst, and for nearly three decades now Japan has been in a juggling act trying to keep afloat zombie companies while still fixing bad balance sheets.

            To do that, Japan has created a big mountain of government debt to reflate its economy. That failed.

            Japan’s politicians now stare morosely at this debt, while accepting slower economic growth on the order of 1.5% to 2%, similar to what the Federal Reserve predicts for the U.S., 1.7% to 1.8% growth. Meanwhile, despite all this liquidity, Japan’s savings rate is lower than the rate in the U.S. because, you got it, spending is the end game.

            “Central banks cannot solve structural problems in the economy,” Stephen Cecchetti, head of the monetary department at the Bank for International Settlements, tells The Wall Street Journal. “We've been saying this for years, and it's getting tiresome.”

            Or, as Stephen Roach of Morgan Stanley has said: “Washington policymakers are doing everything they can to forestall rational economic adjustments.”


            Elizabeth MacDonald joined FOX Business Network (FBN) as stocks editor in September 2007. Prior to joining FBN, MacDonald was a senior editor at Forbes Magazine, where she covered stock market and earnings news and created "The World's 100 Most Powerful Women" annual list.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:13 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

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            Bronco: Hmmm...why don't you Right Wing nuts here step up to the podium and call the majority of Republicans the same names you call Liberals?

            HTC: And what would you like me to call them? "Cowards" for failing to tackle head-on the massive nanny state which the Democrats, with the support of an ignorant and greedy electorate, have built over 8 decades and which has now brought us to the brink of economic ruin and threatens to completely destroy our children's and grandchildren's futures?

            Or are they "pragmatists" who recognize that the electorate itself is infected with a disease called "greed" which makes them covet the success of others? Perhaps they recognize that their party is dead if they actually tell the electorate the truth and propose what we really need to do to save our economic and our progeny's future. Perhaps they hope to just slow down as much as possible our race for the economic cliff.

            Even a large percentage of the GOP base is suffering from a kind of political bipolar syndrome where they demand smaller government and balanced budgets while simultaneously insisting that the two biggest contributors to our coming fiscal apocolypse, Social Security and Medicare, must somehow magically be preserved.

            At least Democratic voters are a bit more honest with themselves on this score than are many Republicans. Nearly two-thirds of them acknowledge that we'll have to run up substantially more debt to continue those programs and that their children and grandchildren will have to struggle to pay that debt. Their just more comfortable than Republicans with the thought of screwing their own progeny.

            Thanks to our public education system and the entertainment media, we once again believe in Santa Claus and miracles and that the consequences of our choices can somehow be magically avoided forever.

            It is an electorate gone greedy AND mad. As mind-boggling as is the fact that the electorate was stupid enough to elect Obama in 2008, the fact that they reelected him in 2012 easily eclipses that level of lunacy.

            Plato was right - people do ultimately get the government they deserve and we deserve every bit of what's coming next.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:39 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

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            Remember how the left jumped all over Romney for 'politicizing' Benghazi?

            Not surprisingly, the hypocritical left is at themselves, trying to harvest political capital for their absurd and illogical gun control efforts while displaying profound insensitivity towards the grieving families:

            Elementary School Shooting a a Tragedy, Not a Political Platform
            By Mercedes Colwin
            December 14, 2012

            I had just finished a meeting with a client when I heard about the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. As a parent of two, my first thought was how I couldn't wait to hug my children. My next thought turned to the victims and the parents who, due to the unfathomable actions of a monster, will not be able to do the same tonight. All I can think about are these children, their lost dreams and wasted futures. However, to my dismay this unspeakable tragedy has immediately become a springboard for gun-control advocates to lambast our gun laws. It disturbs me greatly that literally hours after one of the worst events in modern American history, media pundits and publications like, The New Yorker are politicizing the murder of kindergarten students to further their gun control agenda.

            White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, when asked a question about gun control in the immediate aftermath of the massacre, responded by saying, "I think it's important, on a day like today, to view this -- as I know the president, as a father, does, and I as a father and others who are parents certainly do, which is to feel enormous sympathy for families.....There is, I am sure -- will be, rather -- a day for discussion of the usual Washington policy debates, but I do not think today is that day."

            Alex Koppelman of The New Yorker criticized Carney by describing his statement as cowardly. "This is the way that we deal with such incidents in the U.S. - we acknowledge them; we briefly are shocked by them; then we term it impolite to discuss their implications, and to argue about them. At some point, we will have to stop putting it off, stop pretending that doing so is the proper, respectful thing. It's not either. Its cowardice," Koppelman writes.

            What Koppelman fails to appreciate is that every school that faces such a tragedy is an individual isolated event that demands our respect and does not deserve to be desensitized into a political debate.

            By grouping today's Sandy Hook massacre as just one of "such incidents in the U.S.," Koppelman shows zero respect to any of the victims and the families affected by immediately turning this tragedy into a debate on gun control.

            As our nation mourns collectively, each of the parents and family members who lost loved ones Friday face a different level of individual sorrow. They deserve our respect. And they also deserve not to have their pain used as political equity.

            Before we jump to conclusions and make this a debate about the second amendment, it appears that the shooter, Adam Lanza borrowed his mother's guns for his heinous acts of murder. The guns were purchased legally.

            Make no mistake about it we have to do everything in our power to prevent a tragedy like this one from occurring again. Over the next few weeks we will learn about Lanza and whether he had any mental health issues that went ignored.

            You will hear people mistakenly argue that no matter how big of a monster Lanza was, the *real* villains who entered Sandy Hook Friday morning were the guns in his hand.

            Are we sure the absence of guns would have definitively prevented Lanza from killing? It didn't prevent Zheng Minsheng from walking into a classroom with a knife in Fugian Province on China's East Coast in 2010 and stabbing eight children to death. I am sure the parents of those eight children feel the same unimaginable pain that the parents in Connecticut feel today.

            Killers find a way to kill.

            Ultimately, what has me fuming as a parent is the fact that a person was able to enter a public school with a weapon, any weapon. My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone affected by Friday's tragedy.


            Mercedes Colwin is an attorney and the managing partner of Gordon & Rees's New York office. She is widely regarded as one of the top legal minds in the country and regularly defends executives from Fortune 500 companies.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:26 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

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            Who would kill children?
            By Dr. Keith Ablow
            December 14, 2012

            After the horrific events of Friday at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, an understandable and frequent question has been, "What sort of person can shoot innocent children?"

            The answer to that question, in short, is this: 1) Certainly, someone who has lost the capacity for human empathy--that God-given quality that allows us to resonate with the suffering of others, and 2) Probably, someone who is, probably unconsciously, making a statement about the random nature of destructiveness, about how innocence and youth confer no safety upon an individual, and about how his rage--likely unexamined and left to fester underground--knows no bounds.

            The psychiatric diagnoses that can be connected to a lack of empathy are numerous. Someone can have fallen victim to schizophrenia and be suffering the delusion that others must die to save the earth. Hence, there is no grief for the people who must die. Someone can be drug dependent and inebriated to the point that his core empathy is suppressed, due to intoxication. Someone can be personality disordered--a "sociopath" who steals, cheats and commits violent acts without guilt.

            Yet, these diagnoses still don't speak to the underlying cause of someone losing empathy. What about that? Regardless of what diagnosis we speak of, we still need to think about what causes those conditions marked by having little or no feeling for others.

            Perhaps there is a genetic vulnerability in such individuals. Perhaps there is a defect in the serotonin (a calming brain chemical messenger) systems of such people. Perhaps head trauma can play a role in damaging the frontal lobes. Some will even claim symptoms of autism could be involved. But consider this: In every case I have ever treated in which empathy is in short supply or absent, it was eroded through suffering inflicted upon that person himself or herself, usually early in life. Psychological trauma--whether chronic or acute--has been present in every violent person I have ever evaluated during the past two decades.

            In the case of the shooter in Connecticut, Adam Lanza, 20, now deceased, we must, sadly, imagine someone so devoid of empathy that he could shoot one child after another, seeing each go lifeless, ignoring the shock and terror on the faces of the victims, ignoring the grief being visited upon so many families. And such a person is, without question, an individual entirely without empathy, and, therefore, by definition, severely mentally ill.

            I have not evaluated anyone in Adam Lanza's family. But the fact that he reportedly killed his mother by shooting her in the face, then left 18 dead children as his legacy, would make any psychiatrist with grounding in psychological reasoning wonder whether the 18 children represented what was "dead" inside him (psychologically or spiritually), and whether he believed--rationally or irrationally--that his mother was complicit in his demise. That terrible canvas of bloodshed would paint the picture of a tortured life.

            That would square with #2 above--namely a child killer's likely underlying, even entirely unconscious, belief (perhaps learned firsthand) that destruction is random, that innocence and youth is no protection and that rage knowing no bounds can, nonetheless, be denied by a force of will, or buried with substances, or kept under wraps through silence--which, ultimately, is the path to it exploding out of a person.

            I am reminded tonight of Charles Manson who, upon considering that he might face the death penalty, said something very close to, "You can't kill me; I'm already dead."

            The myth of vampires is instructive here--those living dead among us out for the blood of others, taking it with no remorse and no feeling for those who fall to the ground, lifeless, because they are lifeless, too.

            Adam Lanza opened the door to a new kind of horror in America--the massacre of children. The likelihood that he was, for all intents and purposes, destroyed just as early on, is not 100 percent, but it is very high.


            Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team. Dr. Ablow can be reached at info@keithablow.com.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:39 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: The political demographics of Sandy Hook, New Jersey is similar to Kalispell, MT as seen in the republican dominated voting booth. Many angry wealthy white gun toting republicans have moved here with their neglected and troubled children who have access to weapons in their parent's house. A similar scenario existed with the Columbine shooters. Hopefully there may soon be a medical cure for the mental disorder known as republicanism.

            HTC: First of all, the shooting occurred at Sandy Hook, CT, not NJ.

            Secondly, registered voters there are 58.5% Democrats.

            But do keep sharing your hallucinations with us. Makes us glad to be who we are.

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:09 am on Sat, Dec 15, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1052

            Pete: I'm also sure that at this moment, none of this matters to those touched by this tragedy.

            [sad]

            Pete: Bless the children.

            [smile]

             
          • Pete posted at 10:21 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            It's a beautiful day posted at 9:17 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            Chicago's annual murder rate passed 400 in Oct.

            Here's the stats for the other progressive plantations.

            http://www.redeyechicago.com/news/redeye-homicide-rates-of-large-us-cities-20120724,0,1457967.photogallery

            I'm also sure that at this moment, none of this matters to those touched by this tragedy.

            Bless the children.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:00 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:27 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            Thanks, I enjoyed that!

             
          • Pete posted at 9:49 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            What a heartbreaking tragedy...and yes I do pray for the comfort of the victims and their families.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:44 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HTC: So now you're abandoning impractical and expensive electric cars in favor of cars which don't exist?

            IABD- It took you almost 2 hours to realize it was just a concept car requiring special underground infrastructure. Our existing national highways are in shambles in many parts of America. The Minneapolis St Paul bridge collapsed due to years of road salt corrosion. Rebuilding smart highways could make this concept car a future reality which in turn make highways last longer, safer and less hazardous to the environment.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:42 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Evil Is to Blame

            Posted By J. Christian Adams On December 14, 2012

            Pay close attention to what gets blamed for the Newtown school shooting. Evil is to blame for these horrific murders and nothing else. Listen closely to the rhetoric over the coming weeks. How often will evil be named as the cause of the horror?

            Not often, I suspect.

            Some dispute the existence of conscious, deliberate, unseen evil. Perhaps that’s why blame for the murderous horror will fall elsewhere. Some consider the mention of evil in public discourse to be unseemly. Belief in pure deliberate evil can be inconvenient, because it includes other necessary beliefs.

            Failing to name it evil lets evil flourish. If the sight of planes slamming into the World Trade Center towers wasn’t enough to comfortably believe in evil, maybe the horror in Connecticut will be.

            Denial of conscious, deliberate evil makes it easier to deny the existence of conscious and deliberate good. If deliberate evil exists, then deliberate good must also. Otherwise human history would be one long ruinous loop of Stalin’s gulags and Pol Pot’s murder factories. Thankfully, those black times are broken up by goodness.

            Evil seeks to destroy human life, human dignity, and even civilizations. Goodness and light offer an alternative. The sort of world we have is determined by what you and those around you choose. A man in Connecticut accepted evil.

            Conditions, rough upbringings, or worldly objects are convenient explanations when evil manifests itself for all to see. Find any news account today and inventory what is being blamed for the mass killing of children.

            But the systematic and deliberate slaughter of innocents is not a new story. It happened once before, after the arrival of an alternative way. It was also featured in the industrial scale eradication of European Jewry.

            Spare no child of light, and usher in an age of darkness.

            How vile that the evil in Connecticut arrived in this season of light and season of lights. All of those innocent smiles and joyous expectations destroyed by a black wretched thing.

            We’ll hear lots of bluster about how to prevent more school house murders. Nearly all of it is meaningless. The only way to prevent such horror is to choose to love your neighbor as yourself, to respect the dignity of human life, and to follow familiar laws thousands of years old.

            Easier said than done, right? How could the goodness in many prevent the evil in one?

            A culture that values goodness is a necessary prerequisite to discouraging evil. A culture of light and life relegates evil to the diminishing margins. This is a story as old as time. A culture of violence toward life and toward the dignity of every human eventually produces violence toward life, period. What else would you expect to happen?

            The Romans were dumbfounded by the strange stubborn Jewish sect that prayerfully martyred themselves to Roman savagery. The intoxicated and bloodthirsty roars of the coliseum could not overcome the transformational power of the new alternative. Rome crumbled while the philosophy of those martyrs transformed the world.

            That’s the story of this Christmas, and that’s why the evil in Newtown must be called by its true name.

            Article printed from Rule of Law: http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams
            URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2012/12/14/evil-is-to-blame/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:27 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCgzWak4e5E&feature=youtu.be

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk95ClADuEI&feature=youtu.be

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:17 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            HTC- Authorities recovered high-quality firearms, a Sig Sauer and two Glock handguns and a Bushmaster .223 rifle, apparently belonging to his mother who he shot in the face before heading to the school where she taught.

            IABD- The political demographics of Sandy Hook, New Jersey is similar to Kalispell, MT as seen in the republican dominated voting booth. Many angry wealthy white gun toting republicans have moved here with their neglected and troubled children who have access to weapons in their parent's house. A similar scenario existed with the Columbine shooters. Hopefully there may soon be a medical cure for the mental disorder known as republicanism.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/volkswagen-hover-flying-car-nevada_n_1499501.html

            HTC: So now you're abandoning impractical and expensive electric cars in favor of cars which don't exist?

            You can watch the video with English subtitles here:

            http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/25/volkswagen-pretends-its-chinese-hover-car-is-real/

            The physics involved don't compute nor do the shadows in much of the video; but, hey, facts aren't important to liberals, are they?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:58 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: hey IABD, how about this one?

            HTC: Can you imagine getting hit by an SUV while driving a Lit 'car'? How much in the way of groceries do you think it can carry? It's definitely a lot more expensive than a used car, so if price is turning off young people to owning their own transportation, why would they buy this, especially when they can't carry their friends in it?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: Why would anyone be suddenly surprised about school shooting massacres anymore with imported Chinese 9mm semi-automatic pistols selling new for under a hundred dollars, and having an average illegal street price of fifty dollars?

            HTC: I'm certainly not surprised that you have a crackpot explanation for the shooting.

            Cheap Chinese handguns have nothing to do with this situation. Authorities recovered high-quality firearms, a Sig Sauer and two Glock handguns and a Bushmaster .223 rifle, apparently belonging to his mother who he shot in the face before heading to the school where she taught.

            Were you more farsignted than you've demonstrated, you'd realize that making schools a "gun free" zone virtually guarantees such carnage as it's literally like shooting fish in a barrel. Imagine if some of those teachers had been allowed to carry concealed and had been in a position to quickly end the matter before the body count grew so large.

            In fact, the situation might never have occurred if the shooter knew in advance that some of the teachers or other school staff were likely armed. History has proven that a well-armed society is a polite and generally well-behaved society.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:30 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: Tesla Model S Named Motor Trend's First All-Electric Car Of The Year

            HTC: And for a mere $87,400 (after Federal tax credit), you can have one, too. Be sure to buy the extended warranty because it will save you $$$ on the replacement battery - only $12,000, after an expected eight year life, instead of the usual $16,000. You'll also need a 230V outlet in the garage and allow 10 hours for a full recharge.

            Definitely a rich man's toy and the taxpayer is subsidizing his purchase! No doubt you like that idea and have already written to Obama to tell him to also extend the Bush tax cuts for the rich.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:44 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            A good web site and it needs new members.

            http://ricochet.com/

            The Founders: Rob Long and Peter Robinson

            The End of Ricochet?
            December 14, 2012

            This isn’t a post we ever thought we’d have to write.

            Ricochet is a labor of love for us. We envisioned it, from the very start, as a place for civil and witty conversation between and among our members and contributors -- a place for great audio content, political analysis, and even more importantly, cultural conversations.
            But it’s also a business. And, to be honest, it’s a business in trouble.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:14 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832


            jennydoe posted at 6:26 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It look's very interesting. The feasibility of electric cars in Montana is still questionable when electronic wiring and components are ruined from MagChloride de-icer sprayed on the highways. VW Hovercraft may provide a better alternative.

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/08/volkswagen-hover-flying-car-nevada_n_1499501.html

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:26 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            hey IABD, how about this one?

            http://www.theatlantic.com/sponsored/goldman-sachs-progress/archive/2012/12/lit-motors-builds-a-car-that-breaks-the-rules/265768/?oref=goldman-ob

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:47 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Why would anyone be suddenly surprised about school shooting massacres anymore with imported Chinese 9mm semi-automatic pistols selling new for under a hundred dollars, and having an average illegal street price of fifty dollars?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:00 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Tesla Model S Named Motor Trend's First All-Electric Car Of The Year
            The news prompted Elon Musk to mock Mitt Romney. Who's the loser now?

            By Rebecca Boyle

            In a striking sign of the future to come, the car-kingmakers at Motor Trend magazine have for the first time named an all-electric vehicle their Car of the Year. The Tesla Model S is the first car without an internal combustion engine to win the coveted award. It’s also much-loved by PopSci, FYI.

            And for the first time since anyone can remember, the winner was a unanimous choice, according to Motor Trend. “Not a single judge had any doubts about the 2013 Motor Trend Car of the Year,” the magazine said. The Model S--now Tesla’s only offering after it ceased production on its Roadster--beat the Ford Fusion, the Porsche 911 and nine other finalists.

            It was one of the most efficient cars ever tested, but that was hardly its most important factor. “At its core, the Tesla Model S is simply a damned good car you happen to plug in to refuel,” wrote Motor Trend editor-at-large Angus MacKenzie.

            It’s a shining moment for Tesla, which briefly became a flash point in the presidential campaign when Mitt Romney dumped it in the same camp as failed solar-energy firm Solyndra. He called them “losers” that were bad bets for public funds.

            The car is huge, seating seven people when you outfit it with some interesting rear-facing child seats. And its cargo capacity rivals an SUV--there’s no hulking engine, so there are two trunks to store all your groceries and camping gear. It can travel up to 300 miles on its optional 85-kilowatt battery, and its motors can bring it from 0 to 60 mph in 4.4 seconds.

            Tesla CEO Elon Musk was gleeful at the New York announcement Monday night, according to Slate and CNN, saying “This is a point at which the gears of history moved.” He also recalled Romney’s loser remark: “In retrospect, he was right about the object of that statement, but not the subject,” he said.

            http://www.popsci.com/cars/article/2012-11/tesla-model-s-motor-trends-car-year-first-all-electric-winner-ever

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:21 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Mine too, kohana. And can you imagine that some folks will be praying to the same gGod who allowed this to happen? Ewe should all participate in this wonderful life, not become bleating victims of it.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:39 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            My heart goes out to the parents, families, and friends of the CT school massacre.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:37 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            fish posted at 11:31 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012
            "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel" ??? Really???

            Really. Skull and crossbones have been used at least since the 1300s as a symbol of death and it is recognized world wide. Also known as the Jolly Roger, and used by the Barbary Pirates on their ship flags.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:26 pm on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Hmmm...why don't you Right Wing nuts here step up to the podium and call the majority of Republicans the same names you call Liberals?
            --------------------------------------------------

            ...cutting entitlements is certain to be politically painful, and Republican lawmakers understandably appear reluctant to be seen as “owning” those changes. Particularly when recent polling suggests that even many Republican voters wouldn’t support them.

            As Reason’s Peter Suderman pointed out this week, a new poll by McClatchy/Marist found that nearly every proposed entitlement reform is strongly opposed by a majority of voters – including a majority of Republicans.

            Cutting spending for Medicare? Seventy-four percent of voters said no way, including 68 percent of Republicans. How about raising the eligibility age for Medicare? Nope, 59 percent of voters – and 56 percent of Republicans – don’t like that idea, either.

            Even the GOP’s preferred means of raising taxes – by eliminating deductions rather than raising rates – appears at least somewhat problematic with its base. When asked if they’d support eliminating the home-mortgage deduction, 66 percent of Republicans said no.

            Mr. Suderman concluded: “[T]he unwillingness to face up to our actual long-term budgetary challenges explains a lot about why the GOP’s last presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, talked a big game about cutting deficits and reducing the debt, but when asked for specifics focused heavily on small-ball spending cuts. It also helps explain why Republicans now are so often wary of talking about overhauling the entitlement system. And it also speaks to a larger confusion within the party about what government should do and be: In theory, the GOP is the party of small government. But polls like this one suggest that it’s really the party of the status quo.”

             
          • fish posted at 11:31 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            fish Posts: 130

            Surprisingly, this column is sprinkled with a couple of facts. Including, but not limited to "The story was never confirmed..." and "...we may never know whether any of the weapons in the hands of Bashar Assad originated in Iraq."

            Some people adopt political and philisophical positions by gathering all the information availible from all angles and carefully determining fact from fiction. Others, develop their opinions first and than go to the ends of the earth to find anything that justfiies it, even if it is just an unprovable story that obviously helps sell books.

            "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel"??? Really??? It wasn't Hussain, those barrels sound more like they belonged to Dr. Evil. If only Scooby Doo was on the case we would have solved this a long time ago.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob123 posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            Generally people collect the works of artists, not only for their talent, but whom they admire in other areas as well. I have lost a lot of respect for numerous professional people in all aspects of public endeavors, because of their backing a communist and socialist who is destroying our country, with their help.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:37 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Pete: " Why don't you do a leeeetle research before you write such rot and embarrass yourself? "

            I tend not to pay attention to such stuff, Pete.....However, I certainly don't want Kay to trash her LPs. The rest was for your entertainment.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            In the land of the free...
            Hollywood producer too conservative for Montana high school?

            http://www.dailyinterlake.com/opinion/letters/article_1c1edc80-a747-11e1-85a7-0019bb2963f4.html

             
          • Pete posted at 10:23 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            Hey now....liberals "are able to appreciate an Artist despite his personal politics." EVERYBODY knows that.[wink]

             
          • Pete posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            "Don't trash them! Remember, outside of certain geographical regions, like Montucky and the Deep South, people are able to appreciate an Artist despite his personal politics. Or send them to your friends in Israel. They understand Socialism."

            Now that IS funny. [beam] Why don't you do a leeeetle research before you write such rot and embarrass yourself? Just google some celebrities who came out in support of Republicans last election cycle and see how the "cultural" world reacted. Lol...the lies you spread.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:48 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 3:18 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            Your comments putting blame on "tea party" types reminds me of a William F. Buckley Jr. quote:

            "To say that the CIA and the KGB engage in similar practices is the equivalent of saying that the man who pushes an old lady into the path of a hurtling bus is not to be distinguished from the man who pushes an old lady out of the path of a hurtling bus: on the grounds that, after all, in both cases someone is pushing old ladies around."

            I'll let you decide who plays which role - I'm pretty sure you'll get it wrong, but most won't.

             
          • who new posted at 9:32 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            who new Posts: 367

            Thank you, Kohana, for those excellent quotes from Thomas Sowell. Here are some quotes from that other intellectual, Harry Belafonte-

            “Come, Mister tally man, tally me banana
            Daylight come and me wan' go home”

            “Down at the market you can hear
            Ladies cry out while on their heads they bear
            `Akey' rice, salt fish are nice
            And the rum is fine any time of year”

            “Coconut woman says you'll agree
            Coconut make very nice candy
            The thing that's best
            If you're feeling glum
            Is coconut water with a little rum”

            “Watcha gonna do when your chair gives out, my sweet thing
            Watcha gonna do when your chair gives out, my babe
            When you got no liquor, no chair, no shoes
            Well you lay cross the bed with your head in the blues”

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:30 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            kohana: "I will not be sending her my Harry Belafonte collection, nor my Barbra Streisand's for that matter, and am thinking about trashing them."

            Don't trash them! Remember, outside of certain geographical regions, like Montucky and the Deep South, people are able to appreciate an Artist despite his personal politics. Or send them to your friends in Israel. They understand Socialism.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:09 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/denmark-youths-in-muslim-dominated-area-demand-money-from-church-for-being-in-their-area.html

            SaleemSmith | December 14, 2012 1:45 AM |

            A new era dawning in Europe.
            Or is it deja vu all over again?
            Muslims demanding the Jizya.

            The Jizya. A demand based squarely on the dictates of the Qur'an. That much lauded "protection" and Islamic "justice" that Sharia law has instore for non-Muslims who refuse to convert to Islam.

            After all, among other evils, the vile Qur'an does call upon Muslims to "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (009.029)

            We ex-Muslims living with Islam's formal and informal death penalty for apostasy know that the cruel cult of Mohammedanism is essentially a crime racket masquerading as a respectable religion.

            With zombie-like obedience, the Islamic scholars and khalifas followed murderous little Muhammad's every word and deed and elaborated upon the dictates of the Qur'an which are to be applied in jihad against those who do not accept Islam nor agree to pay the Jizya.

            The infidel males capable of bearing arms are to be massacred; the infidel women and children are to be enslaved; the movable properties of the infidels are to be plundered; their lands are to be expropriated; their places of worship are to be destroyed; their priests and monks are to be killed and their scriptures burnt.

            Those who agree to pay Jizya are to be treated as dhimmis who are allowed to live and work for the Islamic state under the following 20 disabilities: (1) they are not to build any new places of worship; (2) they are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the Muslims; (3) they are not to prevent Muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship; (4) they are to entertain for three days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes, and for a longer period if the Muslim falls ill; (5) they are not to harbour any hostility towards the Islamic state, or give any aid and comfort to hostile elements; (6) they are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam; (7) they have to show respect towards every Muslim; (8) they have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings; (9) they are not to dress like Muslims; (10) they are not to name themselves with Muslim names; (11) they are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle; (12) they are not to possess arms; (13) they are not to wear signet rings or seals on their fingers; (14) they are not to sell or drink liquor openly; (15) they are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status, and which separates them from the Muslims; (16) they are not to propagate their customs and usages amongst the Muslims; (17) they are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of Muslims; (18) they are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the Muslims; (19) they are not to observe their religious practices publicly, or mourn their dead loudly; and (20) they are not to buy Muslim slaves.

            The “law” of Islam also prescribes death penalty for those who (1) question the exclusive claim of Islam as the only true religion, and of Muhammad as the last prophet; (2) try to revert to their ancestral faith after having been forced or lured to embrace Islam; and (3) marry Muslim women without first getting converted to Islam. Non-Muslims are also discriminated against in matters of testimony in law courts, taxation, and appointment to public offices. To sum up, the status of non-Muslims in an Islamic state is that of hewers of wood and drawers of water. They are subjected to every possible indignity and pressure in order to force them into the fold of Islam.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:02 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152


            Rob123 posted at 3:18 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012

            The President can certainly OFFER a budget...

            http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget

            ...there's just no guarantee it won't be laughed out of the legislature by BOTH parties. The Senate rejected Obama's 2013 budget in a 99-0 vote and his 2012 budget failed 97 to 0 last May. That's one big "tea party".


             
          • kohana posted at 8:54 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012
            Would it be fair to say that you've found your Sowell mate?

            Yes indeed! I'm going to introduce my brilliant, black, and beautiful, great granddaughter to his writings. I was particularly impressed with the same 4 comments as well.

            I will not be sending her my Harry Belafonte collection, nor my Barbra Streisand's for that matter, and am thinking about trashing them.

            What a disappointment.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Black ESPN commentator slams Redskins rookie quarterback Robert Griffin III as "Not one of us.... a cornball brother":

            http://tinyurl.com/cwb33q6

            Can racism on the left get any more vile and absurd?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:33 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Ah, those 'tolerant' socialists who profess to LOVE "civil rights" (only theirs)!

            "What do you do when it has been a while since you made headlines? If you are Harry Belafonte, apparently you say the president should jail Republicans.

            "The American singer-songwriter, once considered the “King of Calypso,” this week ignited outrage – and plenty of eye rolls – after speaking with MSNBC’s Al Sharpton and saying President Obama should rule like a third-world dictator and toss his GOP opponents behind bars.

            "“That there should be this lingering infestation of really corrupt people who sit trying to dismantle the wishes of the people, the mandate that has been given to Barack Obama, and I don’t know what more they want,” he said. “The only thing left for Barack Obama to do is to work like a third world dictator and just put all these guys in jail.”

            "Belafonte went on to claim that Republicans are "violating the American desire" by working to keep government limited, taxes low and the country solvent. Sharpton was clearly amused by the suggestion – and could be heard laughing in the background."

            http://tinyurl.com/bn9dzor

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:26 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Yet another painful aspect of the Obama 'recovery':

            Medical companies brace for "devastating" ObamaCare tax and layoffs next year

            http://tinyurl.com/a2kjfxr

            Remember when Obama promised that ObamaCare would CREATE jobs rather than destroy them.

            What kind of idiot ever bought into THAT load of crap?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:22 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            Would it be fair to say that you've found your Sowell mate? [wink]

            I especially like these four:

            “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”

            “Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.”

            “I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you’ve earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”

            “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions that by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:59 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: As you know, over the past couple years, many, many, many 'Tax and Spending' bills have started in the House, and die in the House. The Senate MAY take a House Bill, and work it into a Senate version, and vote on it.

            HTC; Quite true, but that's not what happened with S.3412 which was entirely new legislation introduced by that socialist pig Harry Reid.

            At least with ObamaCare they pretended to conform to the Constitution by taking a House bill on disability benefits that Sen. Kennedy had been working on but which died with him, and gutted it and replaced its contents with ObamaCare. Because the disability bill had passed out of the House, they pretended that their new version was an "amendment" to it.

            I stand by my DemoRat comment.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:18 am on Fri, Dec 14, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: That's just like those DemoRats. They don't give a damn about the Constitution, including the requirement that all tax and spending bills originate in the House.

            As you know, over the past couple years, many, many, many 'Tax and Spending' bills have started in the House, and die in the House. The Senate MAY take a House Bill, and work it into a Senate version, and vote on it. If and when the House votes to pass said Bill, the two versions are then worked out and a Bill becomes Law. If the original House Bill never gets out of the House, then the Senate Bill sits on a shelf, collecting dust. Or among younger Senators and/or their aides, the Bill sits on their computer occupying memory space and causing many to plead for more money to increase their gigabytes of memory before their computer crashes. Of course, with the election of Tea Party "My way or the Highway" Representatives, many in the Senate are increasing their Memory to Terabyte size, while you cry loudly that "Obama hasn't passed a Budget!", knowing full well the President can't pass a budget, only the House can, then the Senate can, then the President can sign on to it, or Veto it.

            But it's good to see you understand everything and are staunchly in favor of the Republican Right-Hegelian Dialectical thinking-and the need to just go over the cliff and end it all as we know it in order to enter into your version of an Ideal Constitutional Republic. At least we are fortunate that you are an Engineer in love with technology and not a stern, old Anabaptist in a buggy, waiting for the collapse and the End, and more than willing to discuss it with anyone willing to listen. Strangely similar psychology, just different methodology to reach certain goals.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:15 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            There's a lot of wisdom in those Sowell quotes but they might as well be in an unknown language where idiot liberals are concerned, for they'll fail to grasp ANY of it.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:11 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's the spending, stupid -- the GOP must stay on message
            By Liz Peek
            December 13, 2012

            John Boehner held a press conference Thursday, at which he accused President Obama for “just not being serious about cutting spending.” It’s about time.

            Republicans are being hammered in the court of public opinion, and they have only themselves to blame. Americans are sick to death of political bickering, and want to see a deal done to avoid the fiscal cliff. Most people think a tax hike on the wealthy is part of a reasonable approach to narrowing our budget deficits. Republicans bucking this popular notion continue to drag out the tired arguments about hitting small businesses where it hurts; most people don’t imagine that the local barbershop is in the top one percent – and they’re right.

            Here’s what the GOP should be talking about: our ever-increasing spending. For the first two months of the current fiscal year, federal spending is up 16%. No one has broadcast that figure -- and it is a stunner. Because spending is up more than revenues, which have climbed 10 % so far this fiscal year, our budget deficit is higher – by 25% -- than a year ago. That’s right—higher. Even as President Obama claims to have cut spending.

            Imagine: our budget deficit for the first two months equals $292 billion. Not long ago, Americans would have swooned over that much red ink. In fact, our annual deficit has exceeded that amount only eight times in our nation’s history – and four of those have been under President Obama.

            Americans don’t like deficits; they consistently rank as a top priority reining in spending. Voters know that we are borrowing heavily – one of every three dollars we spend – to finance our red ink, and in the process debasing our dollar.

            They know the Federal Reserve is spinning out new money at an unprecedented rate to keep the ship of state afloat; that institution now has a balance sheet of more than three trillion dollars.

            They are unhappy that our federal debt now tops $16 trillion – and that President Obama is now demanding free rein to raise our debt limit even further. They know it is only a matter of time before some investor, somewhere, decides that the U.S. is no longer the best of a bad bunch, and starts demanding higher returns on his loans to Uncle Sam.

            Republicans need to tap into America’s innate conservatism, and they have failed to do so. They have allowed President Obama to tag them as the party of “no” -- weapons of mass obstruction. It’s time the GOP got some new talking points, and told Americans the truth about our budget and this White House.

            During the election, the back-and-forth between Mitt Romney and President Obama became a bewildering swirl of facts and figures, with both parties denouncing the other for misleading the public. Both candidates very nearly accused the other of lying.

            The truth is that budget projections are based on myriad assumptions and projections; the data is confusing. Here’s what is not confusing: the record. Had the GOP focused on what Obama has actually spent, and not on his fanciful visions of the future when mythical cuts to Medicare (which really are poppycock) and to other programs take hold, they would have scored higher. As it was, a newly cynical public got bored and tuned out. What voters remembered was that Obama pledged to go after the wealthy – and not them.

            Republicans have a chance to turn this conversation around. But they better act fast. A new poll from CNN shows the GOP “brand” taking a big hit. Only 30% of Americans have a favorable view of Republicans – down from 36% before the election. Possibly worse: 45% view the GOP unfavorably today, up from 43% before Romney was defeated. Karl Rove is thinking aloud about a Republican comeback in the midterm elections. Good luck with that. Until and unless the GOP crafts a new and compelling message they are toast in the next cycle.

            Republicans lost the election when they lost their main selling point: that they could do a better job than Democrats of managing the economy.

            Mitt Romney never convinced voters that his remarkable business success – which, as Paul Ryan noted, is a “good thing’ – could translate into sensible stewardship of our government.

            Given the hash that President Obama has made of our recovery -- the weakest on record other than the Great Depression – and his clear failure to connect with the business community – aka actual job creators, that was a remarkable failure.

            Voters should question: why is spending still rising? Most people acknowledge that Mr. Obama took office under tough circumstances. They cut him some slack on puffing up spending with the $800 billion Stimulus bill, which was meant to be a temporary fix for high unemployment. They should ask, today, why is spending not advancing at the 2% rate of the overall economy? What programs are out of control?

            They might want to review Senator Tom Coburn’s annual survey of federal extravagance, aka "The Waste Book." Providing 16.5 million people with free phone service, or food stamps to buy frappaccinos, or spending $700,000 on a musical about climate change are a few tokens of our government’s wasteful spending. There are plenty more.

            In a recent Public Policy Polling survey, 44% of Americans think Santa Claus is a Democrat, while only 28% think he’s a Republican. In other words, voters may already know why spending is rising.

            Liz Peek is a financial columnist who writes for The Fiscal Times. For more visit LizPeek.com

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:02 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            Yet another face on the Obama 'recovery'. A new Wells Fargo-Gallup poll shows that the number of small businesses, our nation's primary job-creators, who plan to invest in their businesses in 2013 has plunged dramatically:

            http://tinyurl.com/coppt37

            Voting stupidly has consequences....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:55 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: Running on Empty: Cars that Never Need Gas

            HTC: After purchasing the RAv4EV for about $17,000 more than the gas version, he'll need to replace the battery pack at around 8-10 years or 100,000 miles. That will cost him substantially more than the value of his vehicle at that point and approximately $13,000 at current prices. (Depending upon his usage and charging patterns, battery life can be substantially shorter as many owners have learned the hard way.)

            So, our "green" driver, will have spent $30,000 more for the vehicle than the 4-cylinder gas version, not including the cost of his solar charging system.

            The guy who buys the 4-cylinder gas Rav4 will use approximately 4100 gallons of fuel to drive the same 100,000 miles. At an average cost of, say $4/gal, that will cost him $16.400. So he'll realize a savings of $13,600 compared to our "rocket scientist" greenie and his resale value at that point will also be higher.

            Factor in the added cost of the solar charging system, and the greenie is WAY behind on the value curve and still has a vehicle that can't even do 70 miles on a charge.

            Just goes to show once again that lefties are horribly challenged where math and critical-thinking skills are concerned.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:13 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            lousia posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            Merry Christmas to you and your family as well. And a very Happy New Year.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:12 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Republicans are in a bad negotiating position, Conrad said, noting that the Democratic-controlled Senate has already passed a bill preserving tax cuts for the middle-class, leaving the Republican-controlled House standing in the way.

            HTC: That's just like those DemoRats. They don't give a damn about the Constitution, including the requirement that all tax and spending bills originate in the House.

            Of course, their constituents are just as ignorant of the Constitution as they are of economics or real climate science, so it's fly just fine with those morons.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:23 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Running on Empty: Cars that Never Need Gas

            http://www.sierraclub.org/wecandoit/home/electric_cars.asp

             
          • kohana posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Thomas Sowell is an economist, social theorist and, author. He is a Senior Fellow at The Hoover Institution, Stanford University, and has some very interesting things to say.

            “If you have been voting for politicians who promise to give you goodies at someone elses expense, then you have no right to complain when they take your money and give it to someone else, including themselves.”

            “Liberals seem to assume that, if you do not believe in their particular political solutions, then you do not really care about the people that they claim to want to help.”

            “It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication, and a government bureaucracy to administer it.”

            “Elections should be held on April 16th – the day after we pay our income taxes. That is one of the few things that might discourage politicians from being big spenders.”

            “I think this man [Obama] really does believe he can change the world, and people like that are infinitely more dangerous than mere crooked politicians.”

            “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”

            “Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.”

            “One of the consequences of such notions as “entitlements” is that people who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their presence.”

            If you have always believed that everyone should play by the same rules and be judged by the same standards, that would have gotten you labeled a radical 60 years ago, a liberal 30 years ago and a racist today.”

            “I have never understood why it is “greed” to want to keep the money you’ve earned, but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”

            “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions that by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”

            Thomas Sowell, http:Quotefulness.com

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:10 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            IABD- Our sun is also an shining example of a solar magnetic dynamo. Efficient as it is has been will not last forever either. Earth's geodynamo will not last forever either, but what a free ride it has been!

             
          • lousia posted at 4:57 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            lousia Posts: 196

            Merry Christmas High Tech Cowboy; Thats the best I heard in quite a while ------LOL-----

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:52 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            At least Congress passed the "No Loud Commercials!" on T.V. law. What a relief. And I guess even written opinion pieces will have screaming outlawed next? "ARE YOU LISTENING, MOOSE!" [wink]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:50 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            "An ABC News-Washington Post poll released Tuesday indicted that nearly half of Americans approve of Obama's handling of the negotiations versus the quarter of respondents who approved of Boehner's.

            At the same time, Obama's public opinion rating has reached about 54 percent in the Real Clear Politics polling average, above the level where it peaked in May 2011, when bin Laden was killed.

            Republicans are in a bad negotiating position, Conrad said, noting that the Democratic-controlled Senate has already passed a bill preserving tax cuts for the middle-class, leaving the Republican-controlled House standing in the way.

            "And so Republicans are really in an awkward position," he said.

            Boehner, meanwhile, faces increasingly conflicting pressures, from the right to hold firm, from the Republican center to be flexible and from the polls to abandon his position."

            http://news.yahoo.com/republicans-losing-public-opinion-wars-fiscal-cliff-talks-132424569--sector.html

             
          • kohana posted at 1:20 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            "Glad you were able to spend some time with your grandson...even if you got wrangled into doing the dishes."

            I spent about 15 min on the dishes, but 2 hours gazing into the most incredible salt water tank, with about 7 or more living coral, crabs, shrimp, snails, fish, etc, even sea mushrooms. Having the grandson explain it all to me was a bonus.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:17 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            We should have known. After declaring CO2 a 'pollutant', it couldn't be long before the EPA decided that water itself was a pollutant:

            http://www.science20.com/science_20/blog/epa_says_water_pollutant-93162

             
          • kohana posted at 1:14 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            ROTFLMAO

             
          • kohana posted at 1:02 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            · · HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012
            · · Pete posted at 9:18 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            Ditto


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            What Obama Is Really Bargaining For
            If the GOP caves on taxes, the hope is for an intraparty civil war and loss of the House in 2014.
            By KARL ROVE
            November 13, 2012

            As the country waits to see if Washington avoids plummeting over the "fiscal cliff," let's consider what President Obama's demands reveal about his motivations.

            Mr. Obama wants more revenues, lots more. He's asking for $1.6 trillion over the coming decade, twice as much as he had tentatively agreed to with House Speaker John Boehner this summer (until the president blew up the deal by demanding more).

            According to a CNNMoney.com report this month, a sizable chunk of his current demand, some $200 billion, is for short-term spending on measures such as the extension of unemployment insurance benefits, infrastructure projects and the extension of the payroll tax holiday. The president also wants authority to unilaterally decide how much money the government borrows.

            The tax increases and stimulus spending are similar to the budget he submitted early this year to Congress—a budget that was unanimously rejected. Nor will Congress surrender its right to set the debt ceiling.

            So why ask for these things? Part of the explanation is ideological. The president does want to expand government's size, cost and reach in order to, in his words, "transform" America.

            Mr. Obama's strategy is also partly political. The obvious budget deal is to agree to the GOP offer to raise revenues by closing tax loopholes and capping deductions and exemptions, while keeping the current tax rates. This is what Mr. Obama's deficit-reduction commission, aka Simpson-Bowles, recommended in December 2010, and Mr. Obama endorsed a cap on deductions last year to pay for a stimulus bill.

            But the president is now less interested in raising revenues than in raising marginal tax rates on top earners. He apparently believes that Republicans, in a weakened state and defending an unpopular position, might buckle on a central GOP tenet, opposition to any increase in marginal rates. That might kick off a Republican civil war, resulting in divisive party primaries in 2014 that leave the president's opposition even more weakened and produce more subpar candidates like this year's Republican Senate candidates in Indiana and Missouri.

            This brings us to Mr. Obama's real goal: having Democrats recapture the House in 2014 and once again stave off losses in the Senate.

            Mr. Obama may be right that he can pit Republicans against Republicans, and there is a certain political logic to making this a priority—if you are the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Still, the strategy will probably fall short, and it could cause him significant collateral damage.

            Republicans will be the majority in the House of Representatives at least for the next two years. The president's actions now will make future cooperation more difficult. The less Mr. Obama achieves in the next two years, the more his party suffers in 2014 and perhaps in 2016.

            Moreover, it is likely that the GOP will retain and even grow its House majority in 2014. Since 1938, the incumbent president's party has lost an average of 33 House seats and seven Senate seats in the midterm following a re-election.

            It is not just history that suggests that the president's strategy for 2014 is a stretch. There are five Democratic representatives whose districts were carried by Mitt Romney and 39 other House Democrats re-elected with less than 55% of the vote. Seven of the 20 Democratic senators up next time are in states Mr. Romney won, six of which he carried by double digits.

            To get things done, Mr. Obama needs both the House speaker and the Senate minority leader to be strong partners who can deliver on a deal when it is negotiated, even if they are of the opposite party. If Mr. Obama is successful in weakening Speaker Boehner, then it will be more difficult to get legislation like comprehensive immigration reform brought to his desk. On the other hand, the president may prefer to have immigration as an issue, not an accomplishment.

            Mr. Obama's shortness of vision is puzzling. Ten years from now, what will be more important—that he raised marginal income-tax rates on the wealthy, or that he struck a bargain with new revenues and spending cuts that put America on the road to fiscal health and avoided a damaging crisis? The question answers itself. Or does increasing taxes on the top 2% really mean that much to the president?

            Mr. Obama has less than two years before the window for serious legislative action comes to a close. All his bludgeoning of House Republicans to raise marginal rates may well appeal to his political instincts. But when the animating force for a president is humiliating the opposition rather than working with them, bad things usually come to pass.

            Mr. Rove, a former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush, helped organize the political action committee American Crossroads.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:41 pm on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            Folks,

            With the Holidays upon us, I would like to share a personal experience with you about drinking and driving. As you may know, some of us have been known to have brushes with the authorities from time to time on the way home after a "social session" out with friends.

            Well last weekend, I was out for an evening with friends and had several cocktails followed ...
            by some rather nice red wine. Though feeling jolly, I still had the sense to know that I may be slightly over the limit. That's when I did something that I haven't done in a long time - I took a cab home.

            Sure enough, on the way home there was a police sobriety checkpoint, but since it was a cab, they waved it through. I arrived home safely without incident. This was a real surprise as I had never driven a cab before, I don't know where I got it and now that it's in my garage, I am not quite sure what to do with it.

            Merry Christmas

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:12 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete: 5. I've never liked bullies. (until I met HTC)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            Hayek on Friedman and monetary policy:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXqc-yyoVKg

             
          • Pete posted at 9:35 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            "That's just a large dynamo. You can buy flashlights and radios that have them instead of batteries. Of course, they consume more power to wind them up than they deliver as electrical power, which is why no one uses them today except as emergency power sources where the dynamo is wound up by hand-cranking or pedaling."

            Speaking of which...I see you woke Jenny. Pedal - Post - Puff - Pedal - Post.......[beam]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:33 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            If you want to understand true narcissism, just study the guy you helped to reelect president. He is the king of narcissists.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:32 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            kohana posted at 9:53 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            My wife watched the video and couldn't keep her eyes dry. It was truly inspiring.

            Glad you were able to spend some time with your grandson...even if you got wrangled into doing the dishes. [wink]

             
          • Pete posted at 9:18 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            mooseberryinn posted at 7:10 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012

            I can't speak for anyone else, but I'll give you a few reasons I post on here. There is no significance to the order.

            1. There are a lot of folks who follow this site but choose not to post. I try to keep them in mind as well.

            2. It is not in my nature, or my belief system to "give up" on people. Who needs to hear the truth more than those who despise it?

            3. It's a great education. There are few better ways to test/strengthen your belief system than having to present and defend it against those with opposing viewpoints.

            4. Like I said before...this is as much a function of placing my voice in the historical record as anything else. As we have seen from the past, this can be an important legacy for those who had the guts to "dissent from the descent" if you will.

            5. I've never liked bullies. (see the Michigan Union thugs)

            That's just a few...but you get the idea.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:13 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

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            Rob123: "Inside the Risky Bets of Central Banks"

            HTC: Scary stuff, especially since they are practicing the ultimate form of central management of massive economies, all with the goal of avoiding the pain for past fiscal and monetary mistakes.

            That trick never works and has always made matters worse; generally, much worse.

            Only free markets can work through past mistakes and help avoid future mistakes. When the 2008 crisis hit, we should have taken the hit and let the weaker, dumber banks fail and let a free housing market deal with the surplus of homes amid an abundance of foreclosures.

            Sure, it would have been painful, but we humans only seem to learn when considerable pain is involved. The government's approach with bailouts, continued cheap money, funding of mortgages and business loans and the printing of money only further encourages the bad behavior which caused the 2008 crisis.

            Worse yet, Dodd-Frank now codifies the concept of "too big to fail" and guarantees more reckless behavior by the very institutions it seeks to regulate away from such activities.

            But what do you expect from Democratic dummies who pass bills without reading them?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTIC posted at 8:19 with a high level of narcissism
            ---------------
            Oh.My.Flying.Spaghetti.Monster.
            What a bastion of asinine.

            https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GWYF,GWYF:2011-51,GWYF:en&q=narrcasitic#hl=en&tbo=d&rls=GWYF,GWYF:2011-51,GWYF:en&spell=1&q=narcissistic&sa=X&ei=RvTJUOekIqKsjALuuYDwCw&ved=0CDQQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&bvm=bv.1355325884,d.cGE&fp=cbcee5c67ee3fda9&bpcl=39967673&biw=1328&bih=851

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            mooseberryinn: Why do you even try to educate the liberals?

            HTC: Actually, I'm not trying to educate them; after all, we know that there's no fixing stupid.

            I post for the benefit of those who read these comments so that the facts are there in addition to the garbage the liberals post.

            I've heard from others who read these comments but never post and they've made me aware of the fact that they have family members and friends who read them as well.

            As an added bonus, every once in a while I manage to shame or humiliate a liberal who then quits posting. These are liberals who are a bit smarter than Bronco, jennydoe, et al, and realize that they are outgunned with the facts; hence, they have the common sense to remain silent.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:06 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's a beautiful day posted at 8:00 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            That's just a large dynamo. You can buy flashlights and radios that have them instead of batteries. Of course, they consume more power to wind them up than they deliver as electrical power, which is why no one uses them today except as emergency power sources where the dynamo is wound up by hand-cranking or pedaling.

            You don't also believe in perpetual motion machines, do you?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:03 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            61% of voters say that major spending cuts are needed to deal with the deficit.

            In addition, while a majority of Republicans (59 percent) thinks major cuts to entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare should be made now, even if it is tough on families, a majority of Democrats (52 percent) thinks those programs should continue to be funded at their current levels, even if it means passing on trillions of dollars of debt to future generations.

            Looks like Democrats don't love their children after all:

            http://tinyurl.com/a76kkq4

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:55 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: The guy YOU voted for:

            HTC: Romney didn't win, so this isn't HIS economy, is it?

            Regardless, you'll notice that what Romney was saying involved Congress passing his tax reform plan. Much of the rest was substantially under his control, such as opening up federal oil lands again, approving pipelines, reducing regulatory burdens and expanding trade agreements.

            In all of those areas, Obama has done exactly the wrong things; hence the tepid 'recovery.'

            But we already know that you don't understand economics; if you did, voting for Obama wouldn't even be a consideration.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 7:10 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            HTC - Kohana - Pete and others. Why do you even try to educate the liberals? It does not make any difference how many facts you show them. They are totally convinced that Obama is infallible, and the democrats have the best "plan". Even as our country drifts toward ruin, they simply cannot comprehend the causes, or possible cures. It is very much King Obama's way or nothing.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:17 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            http://www.upworthy.com/map-for-a-global-superpower-america-sure-doesnt-measure-up-here?c=ufb1

            Dear America, I know we're fascinated by things that are unnaturally large, but we need to start shrinking THIS right now. - Rebecca Eisenberg

            Interesting map......

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:49 am on Thu, Dec 13, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:17 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            "This is pure lunacy. It is cheap money and the massive debt which it fostered which got us into the financial crisis of 2008."

            Yup, that's it! Thanks for clarifying the issue, I was a little confused.
            On your long flights from Silicon Valley to China, did you use Singapore Airlines, Business Class, so you could get some excellent leg room and feel relaxed and refreshed, while contemplating 'the spread' on your electronic whidgets as you turned a profit, no thanks to the American Government, Democrats, Investment Bankers, or Shelf Alignment/Position at the Big Box Stores? gGod Bless those Underwriters, eh? Ha-ha! Thank gGod you got out before the Ponzi Scheme crashed, and was able to buy a little piece of paradise in the Last Best Place under The Big Sky! And filled with Republicans for the past 100 years!

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323717004578157152464486598.html?KEYWORDS=Inside+the+Risky+Bets+of+Central+Banks
            "Inside the Risky Bets of Central Banks"

             
          • kohana posted at 9:53 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Pete posted at 8:56 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            You're welcome, thought it worth sharing.

            I had an interesting day hanging out with a grandson. He took me to his home, and while he cleaned his salt water fish tank, I washed his dishes. He also returned a good book.

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:13 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: you overlook the fact that THIS president who you elected (twice) has claimed that he can create jobs
            ---------------------------------------
            The guy YOU voted for:

            “Let me tell you how I will create 12 million jobs when President Obama couldn't. First, my energy independence policy means more than 3 million new jobs, many of them in manufacturing. My tax reform plan to lower rates for the middle class and for small business creates 7 million more. And expanding trade, cracking down on China and improving job training takes us to over 12 million new jobs.”
            — Mitt Romney, “in his own words,” in a campaign television ad

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:00 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            "While Obama LOVES electric cars, Americans don't"

            IABD- Check out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvO9XMBZ4DI

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:47 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            NORAD is now tracking 4 objects apparently placed into earth orbit by North Korea's recent launch.

            Interesting.....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:17 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 6:06 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            This is pure lunacy. It is cheap money and the massive debt which it fostered which got us into the financial crisis of 2008. If cheap money was all the economy needed to crawl back out of that hole, a real recovery would have happened already.

            There's nothing the Fed can do at this point to kickstart the economy. What stands in the way now are fear of higher taxes, a massive regulatory burden, ObamaCare and an anti-business president and Democratic Party. There's nothing the Fed can do to combat the absolute lunacy of this president and his party.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:19 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Syria fires SCUD missiles on rebels:

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/12/world/meast/syria-civil-war/index.html

            Good thing for Assad that Obama considers a few thousand Libyan lives more important than 50,000 Syrian lives.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:06 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/12/12/1325871/bernanke-jobs-waste/

            "Federal Reserve Chair Decries ‘Enormous Waste Of Human And Economic Potential’ To Explain New Fed Actions"

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:02 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Those Dems are really good at vetting their staff. NJ Sen. Menendez had an illegal immigrant and registered sex offender on his staff:

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/12/govt-arrests-illegal-immigrant-senate-intern-for-menendez/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:53 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: I thought you agreed the president doesn't create jobs, that the House controls the purse strings. Now you want to blame who? Just tell us how stupid we all are and how awesome you are. We thrive on that shiit.

            HTC: Ah, little pony, you overlook the fact that THIS president who you elected (twice) has claimed that he can create jobs and that his prior stimulus is working and he just needs more time. He even campaigned on the basis that what he'd done in his first term was finally getting traction and that the recovery had begun.

            Since he's taking credit for the situation, it's only appropriate to point out what his 'recovery' really looks like.

            I realize this is way over the head of a little pony, so I'm not surprised that you missed the connection.

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:04 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:37 pm
            ---------------
            I thought you agreed the president doesn't create jobs, that the House controls the purse strings. Now you want to blame who? Just tell us how stupid we all are and how awesome you are. We thrive on that shiit.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:37 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            This is what the Obama 'recovery' looks like:

            Fed projects high unemployment for next three years

            http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2012/12/fed-high-unemployment-for-next-3-years?et_cid=2992477&et_rid=54694580&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.manufacturing.net%2fnews%2f2012%2f12%2ffed-high-unemployment-for-next-3-years

            or

            http://tinyurl.com/ajzrlm8

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:12 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete, I wanted to get by the censor and used the term to define secksual recreation.

             
          • Pete posted at 1:35 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            "non-gay procreation"

            As opposed to gay cloning?

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            mooseberryinn: Ya know, somebody should tell them poor women down there what it is that causes babies.
            ----------------------------------
            Rape, incest, natural biological urges, rock 'n roll, reefer madness, non-gay procreation, the list is staggering!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:00 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Pete posted at 9:38 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012 [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • Pete posted at 9:38 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            "While Obama LOVES electric cars, Americans don't."

            They could always recycle them into musical instruments. In fact they should just recycle Detroit. They could turn it into one of those "extreme tour" sites like Chernobyl...demonstrating the toxic effects of liberalism. Or it could be the next Survivor setting. The possibilities are endless.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:29 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Obama's America Will Become Detroit

            By Terence P. Jeffrey
            December 12, 2012
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            President Barack Obama travelled to Michigan this week and made his case for class war in defense of the welfare state.

            We need to take more money from the rich, he said, or schools will not be able to afford books, students will not be able to afford college, and disabled children will not get health care.

            "Our economic success has never come from the top down," said Obama. "It comes from the middle out. It comes from the bottom up."

            Obama spoke these words a few miles from Detroit — the reductio ad absurdum of his argument.

            If America continues down the road to Obama's America — a road that began when President Franklin Roosevelt started building a welfare state here — our entire nation will become Detroit.

            Obama's economic and moral vision has played out in that city. What he seeks has been achieved there.

            Last week, as reported by the Detroit Free Press, Michigan's state treasurer told Detroit's mayor and city council that the state may soon appoint an emergency financial manager for the city. Under Michigan law, the paper said, only such a manager can initiate the steps leading to a bankruptcy filing for the city.

            By current calculations, Detroit faces obligations over the next six months that exceed its revenues by $47 million. The city, the Free Press reported, now pays $1.08 in benefits to municipal workers and retirees for every $1.00 it pays in salary.

            What happened to Detroit? It is achieving socialism in one city.

            Traditional two-parent families and the productive taxpaying citizens they produce have fled. In 1950, according the U.S. Census Bureau, Detroit had 1,849,568 people and was the fifth-largest city in the nation. By 2000, its population had dropped to 951,270; by 2010, to 713,777; and by 2011, to 706,585.

            What has happened to the people who remain? The Census Bureau estimates there are 563,055 people age 16 or older in the city who could potentially work and be part of the labor force. But only 54.3 percent of these — or 305,479 individuals — actually do participate in the labor force, meaning they either have a job or are looking for one.
            Another 257,576 of Detroit residents age 16 or older — 45.7 percent of that demographic — do not participate in the labor force. They do not have a job, and they are not looking for one.

            In fact, these 257,576 people in Detroit who do not have a job and are not looking for one outnumber the 224,846 residents who do have jobs. But of the 224,846 residents who do have jobs, 34,500 — or 15.3 percent — have jobs with the government. Thus, this city that boasted 1,849,568 residents in 1950 has only 190,346 private-sector workers today.

            There are 264,209 households in Detroit, and 91,204 of them — or 34.5 percent — get food stamps.

            Very few of the people who are staying out of the labor force in Detroit are staying out because they are stay-at-home moms with working husbands. Of the 264,209 households in Detroit, only 24,275 — or 9.2 percent — are married couple families with children under 18. Another 78,438 households — or 29.7 percent of the total — are "families" headed by women with no husband present. Of these, 43,742 have children under 18.

            There were 12,103 babies born in Detroit in the 12 months prior to the Census Bureau survey, and 9,124 of them — or 75.4 percent — were born to unmarried women.

            Of the 363,281 housing units in Detroit, 99,072 are vacant. Indeed, vacant houses have become a powerful visual symbol of what advancing socialism has done to the city. Traditional family life is nearing extinction in this once vibrant corner of America.

            Obama said in Michigan that if the federal government does not take more money away from people who have earned it, the public schools may not be able to buy school books. But the Department of Education says that in the Detroit public schools — which have books — only 7 percent of the eight graders are grade-level proficient in reading and only 4 percent are grade-level proficient in math.

            School books are not lacking here. Self-reliance, the spirit of individualism, and the Judeo-Christian values that support marriage and family are. They have been driven out by a government that wants the people to depend on it rather than on themselves, their families and their faith.

             
          • Pete posted at 9:19 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            Did you see this bit just a little further down? Kind of makes your earlier point don't you think?

            "Chrysler Forced to Rehire Workers Caught Drinking on the Job"

            In further news...."Chrysler recalling over 900,000 Jeeps over airbag issue" [beam]

             
          • Pete posted at 9:09 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:28 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            Interesting. I wonder if they come in Cherry Flavor? [smile]

             
          • Pete posted at 8:56 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 7:58 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            Spectacular....thanks for that, you made my day.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            While Obama LOVES electric cars, Americans don't:

            http://automotivediscovery.com/more-bad-news-on-the-electric-car-front-with-coda-automotive-layoffs/9215939/

             
          • Pete posted at 8:38 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 3:30 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            "Of course, it will be interesting to watch those Southern Right to Work States start to compete against the North instead of just each other, in order to land those big, juicy factories."

            I think you meant to say, "watch those Southern Right to Work States start to compete against each other instead of just the North..."? However, I fail to see the downside in States vying to create a favorable business climate. The danger is when politicians use the power of the government to pick winners and losers via tax code, regulation, etc. to fit a certain ideology or social theory - that IS a concern of mine. Whether they come from the left, right, or center, politicians are not to be trusted...this we know.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:31 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            jennydoe: Why don't you conservatives ever think of the effect your personal decisions make upon society?

            HTC: That is absolutely laughable coming from a progressive, since it is your bunch which practically invented personal IRRESPONSIBILITY as well as unintended consequences!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:28 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Treating autoimmune diseases with parasites:

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=helminthic-therapy-mucus

             
          • kohana posted at 8:26 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/egyptian-president-summons-3000-foreign-jihadis-to-terrorize-opposition/

            3,000 Foreign Jihadis to Terrorize Egyptian Opposition?

            Posted By Raymond Ibrahim On December 11, 2012 @ 12:42 am In FrontPage

            The title of a recent Al Khabar News report declares: “Morsi summons 3,000 jihadis from Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Somalia and Iran to be an Islamic army to strike the police and army forces” of Egypt.

            According to the report, Ibrahim Ali, a lawyer of various Islamic groups, said that 3,000 leaders and members of the Jihad Groups and the notorious Islamic Group—including the brother of Khaled al-Islambouli, the army officer who planned and participated in the assassination of President Anwar Sadat—will arrive in Egypt in a few days.

            Ali added that most of these leaders are coming from Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Somalia, Kenya, Iran, and even London. Similar reports had appeared earlier, in November: these seasoned jihadis may already be in Egypt. Moreover, back in August, days after Morsi assumed Egypt’s presidency, he released jihadi convicts from the nation’s two most notorious terrorist organizations, Islamic Jihad and the Islamic Group—including several held under tight security and on death row for committing especially heinous acts of terror in Egypt.

            It is often forgotten that Morsi himself, Egypt’s president, was a former convict in Egypt, imprisoned for his designs to impose Sharia on the social order—precisely what he is doing now unfettered, including by summoning and releasing jihadis to subdue his fellow Egyptians who oppose the Islamization of Egypt—which has millions of Christians and liberal Muslims. At the very least, one can argue that, at the time of the elections, half the nation was against Islamization, as the vote between Morsi and the secularist Ahmed Shafiq was split down the middle (some authoritative sources even say that Shafiq won).

            Now, even more Egyptians are going against Morsi, as evinced by these popular revolts.
            A recent talk show on El Balad TV expressed the popular resentment being felt by the average Egyptian, when a Muslim woman called in saying to the MB official on the show:
            You people [Muslim Brotherhood] must give people and their ideas some room, you can’t always get angry and fight—it’s unacceptable…. Come on you guys, what’s the deal? We have come to hate the world. I swear to God, if there is an empty mountain for me to live in, I would take my children and go there! You’ve made us hate our lives! Let me tell you something: I voted for Morsi. May God have paralyzed my hand! May a car have run me over when I went to the voting booth!

            In other words, Morsi needs all the help he can get, and it is certainly not far fetched to believe that he would summon the aid of foreign jihadis. For example, here is a list circulating on twitter by the jihadi organization Ansar Al Sharia—“the Supporters of Sharia”—indicating who it will kill should Muhammad Morsi fail; among the names is new Coptic Pope Tawadros.

            Moreover, the amount of violence inflicted so far on Egyptian protesters certainly can be described as terrorism. Aside from those killed, here are some pictures of those beat and tortured. Many of these victims tell the same story: they were threatened to admit publicly that “outside” sources had hired them to protest otherwise they were severely beat and tortured.

            In typical Islamist projection fashion, the Muslim Brotherhood, which is enlisting the aid of fellow but foreign Islamists and jihadis, is trying to portray the grassroots revolts against it as a foreign conspiracy.

            Nor is there any doubt that the Muslim Brotherhood was always more interested in empowering Islam over improving Egypt—a natural consequence of the Islamist mentality, which sees the triumph of Islam and Muslims, the collective Umma, more important than the triumph of one’s nation and immediate neighbors.

            A couple examples: Brotherhood representative Safwat Hegazy—who earlier predicted the group would be “masters of the world”—is more interested in seeing Jerusalem as capital of the Islamic caliphate than Cairo prospering for Egypt; and the former General Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Akef, when pressured to talk more about Egypt and less about Islam, declared “the hell with Egypt,” clearly indicting that the interests of his country are secondary to Islam’s.

            Speaking of the General Guide, only recently, more evidence emerged demonstrating that Morsi is little more than a tool of Islamization: although many accused Morsi of simply being a stooge to the General Guide—currently Muhammad Badie, who, as head of the Muslim Brotherhood, has one goal, the enforcement of Sharia in Egypt—Morsi brushed aside such talk, saying he was his own man, that his policies for Egypt would have nothing to do with Brotherhood interests, that he was a president for all Egyptians, etc., etc.

            Amazingly, however, a couple days ago on Egyptian satellite TV, a Muslim Brotherhood official actually admitted that “Yes, the General Guide rules Muhammad Morsi,” to a flabbergasted host, who in resignation, said, “Well that’s it; it’s over. What else is there to say?”

            Indeed, what else is there to say about an Egyptian president who terrorizes Egyptian citizens into accepting Sharia law?

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/raymond-ibrahim/egyptian-president-summons-3000-foreign-jihadis-to-terrorize-opposition/

             
          • Pete posted at 8:14 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            mooseberryinn posted at 6:07 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            "Ya know, somebody should tell them poor women down there what it is that causes babies."

            Oh they know. They also know that the state rewards such behavior with a nice bump in benefits. The men love it because they face no consequence and no responsibility for some fun. Its a nice little "friends with benefits" threesome with the government right in the middle.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:58 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Look at what these children received from "dumpster diving" and it wasn't free cell phones.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O6rgkCUstaE

            Landfill Harmonic

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Do you ever push your fine leather Captains Chair back from your fine Walnut Desk, and take a deep breath as you look around your 2500 sq. ft. Home Office/Library, and wonder who is worse: Unionized Labor Cartels or Ivy League CEO-COO-CFO Cartels? Shouldn't Trust Busters-Cartel Smashers- be 'Even Handed' and all inclusive?

            HTC: Where are those Ivy League 'cartels' that you refer to? Describe them and how they operate. You and the lefties you hang out with love to talk about them but I've never run across anyone who could make a factual case for their supposedly widespread existence.

            They certainly don't exist in the high tech world, a major segment of the U.S. economy and the ONLY segment which has done comparatively well through all four years of the Obama 'recovery.' But the unions want to change that because high tech is almost virgin ground where organized labor is concerned. Apparently they don't know or care that that fact, along with the fact that it is the least regulated industry in the U.S., are two key reasons for their success.

            But even our high tech industry is losing ground rapidly, particularly to China, thanks to our high taxes and the fast-growing regulatory burden on high tech manufacturing. The latter is why we've been seeing so much of the manufacturing arm of high tech move abroad while engineering and management remain here.

            Now we're at risk of losing the engineering side as well, due to our horribly failed public school system which now forces univerisites to reject more science and engineering applicants than ever before in favor of foreign students who are qualified for those programs.

            In the past 15 years, China has moved from 14th place to second in the world in published research articles, trailing only the U.S. Two Chinese universities – Tsinghua and Peking – supply the most foreign Ph.D.s in American universities.

            Ten years ago, America’s share of the world’s high-tech export market was 25 percent, while China sat at just 10 percent. Today, America’s share had fallen to less than 15 percent, while China’s share has jumped to 20 percent.

            We have to dramatically reform our education system and lower the burden of government to turn this around and where has opposition to such things come from in the past?

            Oh, yeah, public employee unions.

            Rob123: Never mind! Heck, you're an Ayn Rand freak?

            HTC: You'd no doubt say the same thing about the Founders. That says a lot more about you than you know.

            Rob123: Of course, it will be interesting to watch those Southern Right to Work States start to compete against the North instead of just each other, in order to land those big, juicy factories. How deep will the individual States cut the Fortune 500 sized Corporation's state taxes/fees/utility hookups/ in order to lure the factory(s) to their State, especially if Congress decides to quit subsidizing individual State Sponsored Stupidity?

            HTC: The South has been 'stealing' industry from the north for better than 30 years now. Even more impressive is the number of new manufacturing facilities which never were in the north but for which they competed with the north and won. RIght-to-work has played a big role in that process and many studies done among workers there show broad support for those laws and little desire to unionize.

            The highly progressive north has had a LONG time to figure out why they're losing and change things; but, because they think like you do, they haven't learned a damn thing and just keep losing while turning to Washington in hopes that the D.C. can somehow unconstitutionally prevent what's happening.

            Just goes to show that you can't teach progressives new tricks.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:48 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 6:35 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            Since you obviously get most of your news from Maher and Colbert that does make you an expert on trolls seeking attention...it also explains your boorish comment(s). * Twice.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:24 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 6:35 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            Your hypocritical ability to excuse violence against conservatives while pretending to abhor all violence is truly astounding.

            But that's what we've come to expect from you progressives.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:22 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Pete posted at 6:06 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012

            You're doing it again, Pete - trying to reach Bronco with facts, logic and reason. Have you forgotten that never works with Bronco or his progressive pals?

            Bronco is always opposed to the welfare state, just before he supports it again.

            That's one confused little pony.....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:13 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Bronco: foxnews.com...wow, there's a fair and balanced news report.

            HTC: You're such a clown. Show me what's false or 'spin' in either of those articles. You're like a dog who's been trained to bark when the doorbell rings. Mention Fox and you immediately start barking your biases against Fox while all other proven biased news sources are OK with you.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:09 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: I went in and looked at my EFT settlement for Food Stamps yesterday on my bank account, and it was $16.45. WOW!

            HTC: Nice try but no cigar. Food stamps are but one of dozens of means-tested welfare programs and those receiving food stamps are going to stretch them by buying their groceries elsewhere. However, fully one-fourth of the population of your area is at or below the poverty line, so they receive other forms of assistance which do benefit you and other merchants.

            Suddenly losing a quarter of your consumers were the welfare state to end would be quite damaging, wouldn't it?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:06 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            mooseberryinn posted at 6:07 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.
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            Ya know, somebody should tell them poor women down there what it is that causes babies.

            Sweet talking Flyboys in fancy uniforms? Here today, gone tomorrow?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            twice.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            moosedingleberry, it is males like you joining up with women that causes poor babies.
            Those poor women don't get pregnant on their own. Why don't you conservatives ever think of the effect your personal decisions make upon society? It is wrong to abort, won't support it. Will complain when tax dollars go to raising such unloved, unaborted child. Jeeessh. What is funny is when they grow up to become President.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:35 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HTIC: Those public employee unions and their supporters are a real crass act:
            ------------------
            So your comedian/fox news reporter "crowder" didn't taunt the man? It's just a good thing he had a local network to vent all the harm against him or we'd never know. (in all fairness, they did get a photo of the incident, but wasn't important enough to warrent enlightment in the detroit news) Crowder is a troll, seeking attention. If he was a reporter he would have been reporting instead of making the story about him. I am embarrassed for you not to have realized that.

            http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121211/POLITICS02/212110362/

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:07 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            Ya know, somebody should tell them poor women down there what it is that causes babies.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:06 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 4:23 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012

            Having "been there" I have absolute empathy and that is why I know this program is not needed. However, my empathy doesn't end there. I also have empathy for those who have overcome obstacles to obtain their measure of success only to have crusaders for the sSTATE (such as yourself) punish that success.

            In my opinion progressives have much in common with the pharmaceutical industry in that they create a need and then offer themselves as the answer to the need. The difference being that pharma uses their own money to work the con, while progressives use everyone else's. Progressives also have a way of turning every life challenge into a violation of "rights" that can only be mitigated by the intervention of the sSTATE. And while government does have a legitimate role to play in society, progressives want life to revolve around it.

            I believe private enterprise, charity, and ingenuity can fill most societal needs with greater sufficiency, EMPATHY, and human touch without creating a new class of "victims" every other day. (Look at the cell phones for soldiers programs) I don't see a reason why you and your liberal friends can't start a 501c3 and do the same for the phone-less masses since you view it as such a problem. If it's your passion, it should be your empathy that meets the need, not someone else's.

            Lastly...it seems a little skewed to be taking money from producers to give to non-producers in order to find jobs from producers. But that is the progressive dilemma isn't it? How to love jobs while hating the job creators?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:08 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            Rob posted at 4:32

            Seems like cutting off the funding for planned parenthood is a bit much for the state of Texas to afford.

            .......The latest Health and Human Services Commission projections being circulated among Texas lawmakers indicate that during the 2014-15 biennium, poor women will deliver an estimated 23,760 more babies than they would have, as a result of their reduced access to state-subsidized birth control. The additional cost to taxpayers is expected to be as much as $273 million — $103 million to $108 million to the state’s general revenue budget alone — and the bulk of it is the cost of caring for those infants under Medicaid. .........

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/us/likely-increase-in-births-has-some-lawmakers-revisiting-cuts.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1355313618-No98CM1fdA+jEET/PQxh+g&howisbabbyformed=&

            The more the merrier.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:32 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            And the same day that the Republican National Committee Chairman comes on T.V. and expresses a need for Republican Senate and Presidential candidates to quit talking about stupid things and focus on Economics, the Texas Republican Taliban comes rushing out of the closet!

            http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/12/11/1319871/rick-perry-abortion-goal/
            "Rick Perry: Outlawing All Access To Abortion Is ‘My Goal’ "

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:30 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.
            Posts: 6527
            Those public employee unions and their supporters are a real crass act:

            Do you ever push your fine leather Captains Chair back from your fine Walnut Desk, and take a deep breath as you look around your 2500 sq. ft. Home Office/Library, and wonder who is worse: Unionized Labor Cartels or Ivy League CEO-COO-CFO Cartels? Shouldn't Trust Busters-Cartel Smashers- be 'Even Handed' and all inclusive?

            Never mind! Heck, you're an Ayn Rand freak? Sometimes I forget that your in love with your own naked self image/interest.

            Of course, it will be interesting to watch those Southern Right to Work States start to compete against the North instead of just each other, in order to land those big, juicy factories. How deep will the individual States cut the Fortune 500 sized Corporation's state taxes/fees/utility hookups/ in order to lure the factory(s) to their State, especially if Congress decides to quit subsidizing individual State Sponsored Stupidity?

            Since 2000, Individual and Corporate Federal Taxes have decreased 24+/-%, while State Taxes have increased 26+/-%. And certain States still need HUGE bailouts and Grants and Operation Twist and QEinfinity......

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:08 am on Wed, Dec 12, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 pm
            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:30 pm
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            foxnews.com...wow, there's a fair and balanced news report.


            It's a beautiful day posted at 9:04 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.
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            IABD, don't show mooseberryinn reality. It confuses him. And the nurses get angry.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:30 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Federal court strikes down Illinois' ban on concealed carry:

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/federal-court-strikes-down-illinois-ban-on-carrying-concealed-weapons/?test=latestnews

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Those public employee unions and their supporters are a real crass act:

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/fox-news-contributor-punched-in-face-at-pro-union-protests-in-michigan/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:04 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            There are currently no free smartphone upgrades for the current Motorola Mooseberry users.

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/cellphone.asp

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:08 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            Bronco - well obviously this guy didn't hear about Obama, (the great One, the most holy of holes, The Commander, Comrade in Chief, savior of the free world etc. etc. etc.) - He was given away phones for anybody who would vote for him! Hey, I'll tell ya what - have that guy drop by the Demodestructor Party shop and ask for a phone. I'm sure they'll fix 'em right up..

             
          • Bronco posted at 4:23 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete, you sure are on a crusade against the poor. Typical GOP mindset.
            Unemployed guy applies for a job. He is told he will be contacted by phone to set up an interview time. He has no phone, no internet, no necessary means of being contacted or connecting with the world. In today's society, if you ain't connected, you ain't gettin' no job.
            A little empathy, Pete?

             
          • Pete posted at 2:47 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            75 Percent of Obama's Proposed Tax Hikes to Go Toward New Spending

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/75-percent-obamas-proposed-tax-hikes-go-toward-new-spending_666067.html

             
          • Pete posted at 2:43 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 5:17 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012

            I notice the postal service at 7 billion a year didn't make the cut, nor "higher education" at 25-35 billion a year, to name a couple off the top of my head. Not to mention the numerous SOE's, GSE's, or the official propaganda wings of the STATE....PBS & NPR who by percentage receive much more in the way of subsidy. How about we get rid of it all....across the board?

             
          • Pete posted at 2:32 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 12:45 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012

            At 2.4 billion a year...yes. And where do you think the money comes from? Fees...otherwise known outside the beltway, as taxes, which are in turn passed along via higher prices to people who actually pay for their phones and the privilege of using them.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:17 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: "But, then, without the nanny state, what would your business look like? The reason for your defense of it and redirection of attention to defense spending is quite clear."

            You are just full so of cr@p.....incredible. I went in and looked at my EFT settlement for Food Stamps yesterday on my bank account, and it was $16.45. WOW!

            But please continue on your crusade. It's a hoot!

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:10 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            kohana: "You told us who published this article, who translated it, and who edited it, but not who wrote it."

            NOUREDDINE MERDACI
            Noureddine Merdaci, frequently described as 'the dean of Algerian journalists,' wrote this article for 'The Sham Times.

            Don't get carried away! I merely found an opinion piece written in and for Syria rather interesting. A lot of forces at work?

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:45 pm on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete:
            Sure...and just like most government programs that start out with good intentions to fill a need in time, this program has turned into another out of control entitlement. Don't take my word for it, go to the site.
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            Thanks, Pete! Here's a page from the site.

            Who Pays for the Obama Phone?

            Lifeline is a government sponsored program, but who is paying for it. Some people claim that the government is using taxpayer’s money to run this program, however, the claim is false. Universal Service Fund (USF) which is administers by Federal Communication Commission along the Universal Service Administration Company (USAC), pays for the Lifeline phone assistance program.
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            Does this still qualify as an 'out of control entitlement'?

             
          • Pete posted at 11:05 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 10:22 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012

            Sure...and just like most government programs that start out with good intentions to fill a need in time, this program has turned into another out of control entitlement. Don't take my word for it, go to the site.

            http://obamaphone.net/

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:22 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Pete: Please pass the pretzels and the free cell phones
            ----------------------
            “Obama Phones” are actually a creation of your beloved Ronald Reagan, who began the program in 1984.
            Called the “Lifeline program,” the legislation permits some households to receive a free landline under Congress’s rationale that "telephone service provides a vital link to emergency services, government services and surrounding communities."
            That idea dates back to 1934, under the Communications Act, but Reagan was the first to actually implement the legislation.
            I think you have to buy your own pretzels though.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:48 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            HTC - golly how did we get back to obama/demo-care? Isn't it strange how damaging things from that amazing furball keep rising to the top? Yes indeedy, our heroes like Pelosi, Reid, Max, Tester - maybe should have read that law? Ya think? I see our Fearless Leader, El Presidente, Comrade, King, The great One Obama has made great progress in saving our country and the world. Now there is a Dufus, First Class.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            After months and months of denying that the medical device tax in ObamaCare was harmful, Democratic lawmakers are now joining Republicans in calling for a delay of the tax:

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/11/dems-join-in-calling-for-delay-to-obamacare-medical-device-tax/

            If only they were smart enough to figure this stuff out BEFORE enacting bills they haven't read. Is that too much to ask for?

            Probably....

             
          • kohana posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.danielpipes.org/

            You would do better to read Daniel Pipes, PhD, and his articles are translated into 15 different languages.

            http://www.danielpipes.org/about.php

            Daniel Pipes is president of the Middle East Forum. His bi-weekly column appears regularly in the National Review and in newspapers around the globe, including the Jerusalem Post (Israel), Al-Akhbar (Iraq), Die Welt (Germany), La Razón (Spain), Liberal (Italy), National Post (Canada), and the Australian..

            His website, DanielPipes.org, offers an archive of his work and an opportunity to sign up to receive e-mails of his current writings. With 64 million page visits, it is of the Internet's most accessed sources of specialized information on the Middle East and Muslim history.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Your metaphor is getting old and tired.

            HTC: So is your illogic of focusing on the wrong problem. While there's certainly room to cut some fat and a need for better efficiencies in spending (i.e. buying what the DoD needs and wants, NOT what some Congressmen decide they should have), defense spending is constitutional, while the nanny state is not. It is also quite affordable at its historical average, once the illegitimate and unaffordable nanny state is excised from the picture.

            But, then, without the nanny state, what would your business look like? The reason for your defense of it and redirection of attention to defense spending is quite clear.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:58 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            Rob123 posted at 4:44 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012

            The following is a translation of an article originally published in The Sham Times, Syria.
            Translated by Chrysanthie Therapontos, edited by Henry Crapo, translators for Humanité in English.

            You told us who published this article, who translated it, and who edited it, but not who wrote it. What were their qualifications as to truth of the matter? This appears to be an opinion and propaganda piece not factual.

            Two things stand out;
            Item 8. To allow water pipes to pass through the Syrian territory from the Atatürk Dam to Israel.
            Israel would never depend on a country whose goal is to destroy them, on their water.

            2. Israel will never give up the Golan Heights, you'd actually have to see the area to determine why. Israel would never depend on any treaty to protect the Golan, as all Islamist are notorious for lying and breaking any treaty.

            And last but not least: Its called the "Doha Protocol," and sounds suspiciously like the "Protocols of Zion" A hit piece of phony propaganda about Jews taking over the world, published in Russia in the 19th century, then published again by Henry Ford and distributed far and wide throughout the USA and Europe.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:17 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            http://www.upworthy.com/list-billion-dollar-industries-that-dont-even-need-the-tax-dollars-youve-been?c=ufb1

            LIST: Billion-Dollar Industries That Don't Even Need The Tax Dollars You've Been Giving Them

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:44 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            RLS: "And, this is the exact reason our Constitution was built around the concept of defending the country so that citizens could enjoy the fruits of their labor without the fears that Frank speaks about. I see that the intelligence services now indicate that we are losing our super power status so where does that leave us? "

            Well, ye retired Air Force Officer from the Cold War, we may not be able to kill everyone on the planet 80 times anymore, but we still are able to run Covert Gun Operations and play loose with our old 'Cowboy sticking our finger in the eye of people we don't like' with all the sophistication of a naive, self-centered, geopolitical idiot. Are we being used? Hard to say, but the following editorial is interesting, if one wants to understand the thinking of 'the enemy'? One could even ask, is Syria a "Nation" or merely a strongman style conglomeration of "Ruling Alawite Tribes"?

            The following is a translation of an article originally published in The Sham Times, Syria.

            "It will perhaps take months, if not years, before we will be able to reconstruct the process by which Syria found itself trapped in this civil war. Obviously, Damascus had not measured the danger, not only for the regime in power, but even for Syria itself, now in danger of disappearing as a nation-state. However, the veil begins to lift on the circumstances of the "conclave" held in Doha in early November, which saw a heterogeneous "opposition" - divided, without a program and without perspective - provide itself with a leader, Moez Ahmed al-Khatib, and a "coalition."

            But to achieve this, according to sources familiar with the matter, the Syrian "opponents" were ordered by Qatar to "find" an agreement, sine qua non, before leaving the room they were provided. This means that the "Syrian opposition" had a gun to its head, forcing it to reach this minimum agreement. Qatari Prime Minister, Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani, took a personal interest in the proceedings. In reality, the "revolt" in Syria, totally managed by foreign countries and their intelligence services, was a proxy war against the Syrian national state, a war which needed "Syrians at their service" only to serve as "local color."
            In Syria, it is fighters coming from many Arab countries, elements of al-Qaeda, jihadists from Afghanistan, Somalia and Pakistan - well-armed - who kill Syrian civilians and fight against the Syrian army alongside a handful of deserters. So, in Doha, it was necessary to "unify" the opposition, whose credibility was placed in question, even by one of its main sponsors, the United States, which has applied its full weight to restore a semblance of consistency and visibility to an opposition created completely by France, Qatar, and the United States in particular, and supported by Turkey, which "persuaded" NATO to install "Patriot" missiles on its territory - more precisely on the borders with Syria. Doha has been a refocusing of a rebellion that had not been able to achieve the goals ordered by its sponsors.
            In fact, we can better understand the situation when we know the terms of the "Doha Protocol," a document we have been able to consult, which contains the following 13 points:
            1. Syria should reduce the number of soldiers of the Syrian army to 50,000;
            2. Syria will assert its right to sovereignty over the Golan only by political means. Both parties will sign peace agreements under the auspices of the United States and Qatar;
            3. Syria must get rid of, under the supervision of the United States, all its chemical and biological weapons and all of its missiles. This operation must be carried out on the land of Jordan;
            4. To cancel any claim of sovereignty over Liwa Iskenderun (Alexandretta) and to withdraw in favor of Turkey from some border villages inhabited by Turkmens in "muhafazahs" in Aleppo and Idlib;
            5. To expel all members of the Workers Party of Kurdistan, and to hand over those wanted by Turkey. This party should be added to the list of terrorist organizations;
            6. To cancel all agreements and contracts signed with Russia and China in the fields of subsurface drilling and armaments;
            7. To allow Qatari gas pipeline passage through the Syrian territory toward Turkey and then on to Europe;
            8. To allow water pipes to pass through the Syrian territory from the Atatürk Dam to Israel;
            9. Qatar and United Arab Emirates pledge to rebuild what has been destroyed by the war in Syria on the condition that their companies have the exclusive access to contracts for reconstruction and for exploitation of Syrian oil and gas;
            10.To terminate relations with Iran, Russia and China;
            11.To break off relations with Hezbollah and with Palestinian resistance movements;
            12. The Syrian regime should be Islamic and not Salafi;
            13. This agreement will come into effect as soon as power is taken ((Algerian) Editor's note: by the "Opposition").
            This is the price of foreign pressures and of resignation and treachery on the part of Arab states. A high price, an exorbitant price for Syria that persons calling themselves "Syrian" have endorsed. Indeed, this agreement, or rather "Protocol," is thus the price that the Syrian opposition will have to pay once installed in power in Damascus, as stated in Article 13 of the "Doha Agreement."
            In this way, each of the sponsors of the "revolt of the Syrian people" has helped himself according to his own interests and appetite. The United States, by disarming Syria and distancing the nation from its friends; Turkey, by retrieving Syrian villages and modifying the common borders according to its interests; Qatar, by being granted contracts for the "reconstruction" of the country; and Saudi Arabia, by the establishment of an Islamic regime of its devotion.
            This is a virtual castration of Syria, to be stripped of its sovereignty just as Egypt was by the Camp David Agreements in 1979. Actually, it is as if the "opposition" - supported at arm's length by Qatar - were to demand the immediate recognition of Israel, with, however, as in Article 2 of the Doha protocol, a negotiated settlement.
            This is a sharing of Syrian hoard! Nowhere is there any question of democracy, freedom, human rights, building a new Syria in which the Syrians, whatever their ethnicity, religion and belief, enjoy the same rights. Instead, each of the "sponsors" served himself first, taking whatever he wanted.
            For those who know the turbulent history of the Ottoman Middle East, everything is explained, and Doha was the point of no return for a Syrian opposition that no longer had a voice. It was only to justify the "syrianity" of the events. This was clearly seen in Cairo when the new "boss" of the "coalition," Moez Ahmed al-Khatib, arrived in the baggage of Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani for the Arab League meeting that took place in the mid-November.
            In Syria, the scenario acted out for Libya is surpassed, and there is now danger of a general destabilization of the world, even that fragmentation for which American civilian "experts" and military have been working without interruption. We should consider this situation seriously!"
            Translated by Chrysanthie Therapontos, edited by Henry Crapo, translators for Humanité in English.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:49 am on Tue, Dec 11, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: Still adhering to the belief that it's the smaller rather than the larger hole which sinks the boat, eh?

            Your metaphor is getting old and tired. Having actually lived on a boat for 3 months, in the South China Sea, with machine guns and grenades and just about everything a guy like you would die for, believe me when I say: Little holes will sink you too! A Big Hole that is close to a bilge pump and is recycled out of the compartment until repairs are made (entitlements)is much better than a little hole that leads to a dead-end and floods the controls (DoD Preemptive Wars of questionable threat to US).

            Try to get up to speed, and a little less condescending.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:04 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rick Spencer posted at 7:57 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012

            In light of your post RL, here is another aspect of this same subject.

            New post on Rabbi Lawrence A. Hoffman, Ph.D.

            Chanukah, Thanksgiving, and War

            by Lawrencea Hoffman

            As I sat down to write this, it was Thanksgiving in America, and Chanukah was on its way; but the big news was the uneasy truce just announced in Israel. While the rest of New York watched the Thanksgiving Day Parade, therefore, my thoughts turned to this latest round of war and to Chanukah, which commemorates yet another failed attempt to destroy us.

            The war that gave us Chanukah was described in I and II Maccabees, whence we get the heroic tales of Judah and his brothers, a priestly family called Hasmoneans. Like all wars, that one too claimed innocent victims in abundance, but eventually, the Hasmonean army prevailed and went on to establish only the second Jewish commonwealth in a thousand years (the first had been the kingdom of David and his descendants).

            Not all wars end that well, however, so even though I am not one to overstate the victimhood of Jews – the lachrymose theory of Jewish history, as historian Salo Baron named it -- something moved me, as I left for the airport, to take along Yeven M'tsulah, Nathan of Hannover's chronicle of the 1648 slaughter of Ukrainian Jews by Cossack leader Bogdan Chmielnicki. This was no “Happy Chanukah” tale in the end! We had no Jewish army at all; the Chmielnicki massacres left their mark for centuries as the Shoah of their time. “I've recorded it,” Nathan explains, “so that people can compute the day of their parents' death and be able to mourn them appropriately.” That's the best he can offer: proper mourning. Today's war in Gaza should be viewed against the backdrop of these two existential bookends: Chmielnicki on one hand and Chanukah on the other.

            With Chmielnicki, we were helpless; with Chanukah, we were not. Herzl founded Zionism so that we might put Chmielnicki behind us. He even envisioned the Jews of his Jewish State becoming “a new breed of Maccabee.” They would direct just the third Jewish commonwealth of all time.

            War is war. All wars randomly maim and erase lives; and all wars are political; there is nothing pure about them. The Hasmoneans were embroiled in internecine civil war as well, one priestly family against another. The Hasmonean chroniclers paint the anti-war party as selfish collaborators and assimilationist idolaters, but they were really just good men and women who saw things differently. The problem is, you never know until after wars are over how they will turn out, so good people are properly divided on whether a war should happen; and if so, with what force, for what duration, and to what end. This time, in Gaza, war was necessary, it seems, given Hamas intransigence against a Jewish state and the stockpile of fire power raining down on Jewish settlements. Thank God this looks more like Chanukah than Chmielnicki. Most Americans did not give thanks on this Thanksgiving Day for being spared a holocaust. Perhaps at least some Jews did. We have, I hope, put well behind us the day when enemies could slaughter us at will. I now read Yeven M'tsulah as a historical memory of the way things used to be. I read I and II Maccabees as the way they are again: Jewish power to prevail against forces larger than our own; but also the terrible fact that we are still threatened by those forces, and the stunning reality of what war does in crippling, maiming, burning, and slaughtering, all around. There is yet another way that we have left the world of Nathan of Hannover behind us. Nathan comforted Chmielnicki's Jewish victims by assuring them that God somehow desired their martyrdom al kiddush hashem, “for the sanctification of God's name” -- an idea that goes back to the Maccabean era, took root after the wars against Rome, and flourished especially in the Middle Ages when Jews were powerless to protect themselves. With Chanukah too, we chose officially to recall God's role: the miracle of oil when the war was over, and the conviction that God fought on our side, giving us victory over a power much greater than ourselves.

            Long before Adam Smith usurped the term to explain the economy, the invisible hand of history was held to be God. Nowadays, we quite properly believe that God has no hand at all in the wars we fight. We are on our own, having to rally political support, explain our position to the world, build Israel's military capacity, and then agonize over when and how to use it. Small comfort, that. But it's better than writing another Yeven M'tsulah with nothing to offer beyond the proper dates for remembering our dead.

            lawrenceahoffman | December 10, 2012 at 11:29 am | Tags: biblica


             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:04 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            Hmm, musta been Tillie's was overwhelmed with 5 bits?

             
          • Tillie posted at 9:13 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            Look It's a beautiful day, don't be trying to add more facts to this debate. kohana already has binders of documents. And his brain is already overwhelmed with the better part of 10,000 bits of information.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:59 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://chemistry.about.com/od/metalsalloys/f/what_are_olympic_medals_made_of.htm

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 7:57 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            In my opinion Frank's article is more about war than taxes, so I think this is a really good piece suggesting that man's inhumanity against man has no bounds, and it never has. Several years ago while visiting the Museum of the USMA at West Point I noted in the history section a quote by Thucydides the Greek (471 – 400 B.C.), “… peace is an armistice in a war that is continually going on….” Given our experiences during the 20th century that may seem self-evident; but it has not been the teaching within modern Western Civilization. I began to think seriously, “What actually is peace?” Michael Howard, a leading British military scholar over the past 50 years, takes this question on in a short but powerful essay explaining why peace is a far more complex affair than war.

            Howard’s thesis is that the idea that a Society could be organized without war was something developed during the 18th century Enlightenment and ultimately became the accepted view of Western societies.

            ...And, on September 11, 2001, came a direct attack upon our soil and we entered into a worldwide conflict against Islamic/Fascist terrorism. At this time no one knew where it would lead; we just knew that we were up against an implacable enemy dedicated to the destruction of our way of life. Most serious students of military history did not think it would lead to a nation upon nation conflict but decades of Iraq and Afghanistan type military actions. But, it again raises the question of whether peace is so complex that it is beyond humanity’s reach and is merely an invention of the international bourgeois community. Maybe, Thucydides was correct in his analysis and a modern version of his quote would be that “History has shown that peace is merely the interlude between wars?”

            And, this is the exact reason our Constitution was built around the concept of defending the country so that citizens could enjoy the fruits of their labor without the fears that Frank speaks about. I see that the intelligence services now indicate that we are losing our super power status so where does that leave us? Do you really believe in peace among mankind, do you really think we are safer by being weaker, and do you really think there is a limit to protecting ourselves given the history of war? I am not sanguine that our country's safety relies upon a perceived or actual weakness by the international community as the present administration touts as its policy. It is unfortunate that might makes right, but be it ever so. To expect sanity among these cultures driven by a dead end religion seems absurd. Peace is just too complex, making war easier. So complex that it often seems beyond humanity’s reach; and, that I believe, is the underlying textural story Frank is writing about. So, I am not surprised that a poisonous gas may be used, what does Assad have to lose in the culture he lives, a death is his culture is a personal victory isn't it? RLS

             
          • Pete posted at 7:06 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Eric Schmidt declines Obama cabinet post

            Google chairman Eric Schmidt has publicly declined to join the Obama administration in the new year after a rumoured offer for the post of Treasury Secretary.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/9723401/Eric-Schmidt-declines-Obama-cabinet-post.html

            Which I am sure had nothing to do with this typical bit of liberal hypocrisy......

            Google Revenues Sheltered in No-Tax Bermuda Soar to $10 Billion

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-10/google-revenues-sheltered-in-no-tax-bermuda-soar-to-10-billion.html

            [beam]

             
          • Pete posted at 6:55 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            kohana: An Obama speech is now all refrain and chorus with not a new line to be had.

            HTC: How true, and only the staunchest of fools and idiots still buy into his garbage.

            Why should he change his tune when the electorate loves the party and the HOUSE is picking up the tab? Everybody loves a good-time Charlie. Please pass the pretzels and the free cell phones.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:10 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Peter Schiff: The Fantasy of a 91% Top Income Tax Rate

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324705104578151601554982808.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

             
          • Pete posted at 6:08 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:59 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012

            "HTC: Once again, it's not tax rates but how the money is being spent that's the issue here. Try to stay focused."

            Not only that, but it's not the rates it's the revenue...something progressives;

            1. Can't seem to comprehend.
            2. Choose to ignore for political gain and/or to advance a discredited governing philosophy.

            The 90% Tax Rate Myth

            http://almostclassical.blogspot.com/2011/03/90-tax-rate-myth.html

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:47 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HTC: How true, and only the staunchest of fools and idiots still buy into his garbage.

            Well, you sure understood the message that was trying to be conveyed. Typical.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: An Obama speech is now all refrain and chorus with not a new line to be had.

            HTC: How true, and only the staunchest of fools and idiots still buy into his garbage.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:59 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: What was the top tax rate from 1950 to 1960? 70+/- %?

            HTC: So what's your point? Those taxes weren't paying for a welfare state, so my original point stands.

            Rob123: A lot of things have changed, over time, and we certainly need to get a handle on them. Yet, I reject your Neo-Rightist, modern day John Birch Society, interpretation. Your just going to have to cough up more money!

            HTC: Once again, it's not tax rates but how the money is being spent that's the issue here. Try to stay focused.

            Rob123: Especially if you want to chase the terrorists through Africa, while guarding the Straits of Hormuz and increasing our presence in Southeast Asia, again. Darn Nixon and our implied Dollar-to-Oil tie in, eh?

            HTC: Still adhering to the belief that it's the smaller rather than the larger hole which sinks the boat, eh?

            The nanny state costs us four times what defense spending does. By the end of this decade, it will be five going on six times defense spending; yet, you insist on focusing your attention on the smaller of the two problems as well as the only one which is authorized in the Constitution.

            Is the other more important and threatening problem too big to get your head around?

            Rob123: Of course, to get enough votes Republican's will have to address Immigration Reform intelligently, along with Gay Marriage and Woman's Rights, for a start. Not to big of a hurdle? Then people might start listening to spiels about Fiscal Conservatism.

            HTC: We don't need "immigration reform" nearly as badly as we need real border security and an substantial majority of Americans agree on that point.

            Gay marriage should be a state issue and if Republicans play it smart, they'll steer it that way.

            Women still have the right to abortion and contraception and the rest of us still have the right to not have to pay for it.

            Aren't really any major hurdles there to get over; however, since none of those issues made it into the top 5 issues on most voters' minds this past election, their 'solution' isn't going to do much to make fiscal responsibility more palatable to the electorate.

            The same polls show that the economy, job creation, ending our deficits and balancing the budget were the top issues. The GOP should have easily won their battle for their hearts and minds because their policies have been historically proven to address those very things while Obama's have been proven to achieve the exact opposite.

            Even Tea Party types say that they REALLY want smaller government and balanced budgets, BUT you'd better not touch Social Security and Medicare. When the electorate itself makes the right things to do completely off limits, there's not much the GOP can do to make them support those things.

            But go ahead an blame the GOP for the lack of appeal of their message; after all, it can't possibly be the fault of the electorate including people like you, Bronco, jennydoe and Rebel Rouser.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:47 pm on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 11:44: "........at times we might do better with tragic voices rather than accusatory ones -- to remind the public that it was the left, not the right, that turned mean and crass and decided that its utopian means justified almost any means necessary."

            Really? I mean, REALLY?

             
          • kohana posted at 11:44 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/

            Victor Davis Hanson

            L'élégance, Encore de L'élégance, et Toujours de L'élégance

            December 10, 2012

            They say conservatives can sound shrill. It is true that there is a sort of desperate edge sometimes to talk radio, Fox News, the conservative blog sites, or the Drudge Report as they attempt to challenge the established monopoly of the network news, the wire services, and news feeders —AP, Reuters, Bloomberg, Google and Yahoo News — the marquee newspapers such as the New York Times or the Washington Post, and the left-leaning government owned NPR and PBS.

            To be heard above that cacophony, conservatives must be loud, persistent, and repetitive.

            And the message of limited government, free markets, and self-reliance is easily caricatured as selfish and greedy, at least in comparison to the idea of a paternalistic government and its egalitarian Siren songs of taking care of the collective at the supposedly small price of surrendering liberty.

            Although MSNBC certainly seems more hysterical than Fox, The Huffington Post far more accusatory than is the National Review, Air America more crass than right-wing talk radio, at times we might do better with tragic voices rather than accusatory ones -- to remind the public that it was the left, not the right, that turned mean and crass and decided that its utopian means justified almost any means necessary.

            How, for example, did it happen that the liberal movement forsook its classical roots and instead opted for the tribe—the resort to illiberal voting along ethnic lines, as if those who look or speak similarly are not so much individuals as racial automatons. And how strange that we now speak so casually of the Latino vote, the black vote, the Asian vote, gay vote, the youth vote—as if there is not a human vote? Are there not to be any individuals within these stereotyped castes? Was the pathos of Martin Luther King to look to the content of our characters rather than to the color of our skin to end with the bathos of Rev. Joseph Lowery's pre-election venom that whites belong in Hell?

            The reason we read Lincoln and Churchill and not Andrew Jackson or David Lloyd George is not just the greater wisdom of the former, but the greater beauty of their words as well. Conservatives cannot, as competing would-be emperors bidding for the services of the Praetorian Guard, trump the big-government entitlements of the Democrats. But we can offer more cogent—and more elegant—arguments for smaller government, fewer taxes, and greater individual freedom.

            Barack Obama, it is true, is at times mellifluous on the teleprompter, but his rhetoric grows wearisome because it long ago became stereotypical and trite. We tire not just of the faux cadences and patois; of his monotonous fillers like ‘Make no mistake’, and ‘Let me be perfectly clear’; or the constant straw men “they”, or the obsessive use of the first-person “I”, “me”, “my” and “mine”; or the psychodramatic braggodacio about Skip Gates, Trayvon Martin, and Susan Rice; or the occasional mean-spirited threat like “punish our enemies” and “get in their faces”; but also the banality of “pay your fair share” ad nauseam, and all of its predictable formulas like "spread the wealth", "corporate jet owner", "fat cat banker", and "you didn’t build that" business. An Obama speech is now all refrain and chorus with not a new line to be had.

            Cannot a conservative answer in a simple, straightforward and logical manner? At what point did success become morally suspect, and dependence a virtue? If paying over half an income in local, state, and federal taxes is not a fair share, what, then, would be? Is not half a man’s waking hours enough for others? Mr. President, we can understand why you might brag to your base that you shut down new oil and gas leases on federal lands, but why at the same time boast that those whom you sought to stop—despite, not because, of your hostility—produced more gas and oil on private lands than at any time in our recent history? Are they to be damned or praised for providing more domestic carbon-based fuels?

            Forget birth certificates and college transcripts. Let us show how Barack Obama is absurd and juvenile—but let us do it in a manner unlike that of Barack Obama.

            http://ricochet.com/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:48 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            are you "golddiggers" trying to impress HTC?

             
          • kohana posted at 10:18 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 9:53 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            From the American Heritage Dictionary:

            Medal: A flat piece of metal, often in the form of a coin, issued to commemorate an event or person or to reward bravery or achievement.

            Metal: 1.) Any of a category of chemical elements, as copper, iron, or gold, with….

            2.) Basic Character; mettle.

            I used exactly the word I wished to use, as you were negating my worth as an expert researcher, and the Olympians are supposed to get a gold metal coin for their achievement in their field.

            You are mocking my use of language, and you mock other poster’s ideas, showing you have no metal. Do you also mock the disabled or the Special Olympics as the POS sitting in OUR White House did on the Jay Leno show?

            “Appearing on the late night Jay Leno talk show, the president compared his skills at bowling to those of a handicapped athlete.”

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:15 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            "If the facts do not conform to the theory, they must be disposed of" Or - "if the facts do not conform to the current cover story, they must be disposed of". This is the current mantra of El Presidente, Comrade Hugo Obama and his merry regime of "true believers". The legend of obama "the most holy, and/or great one" will live on for many years. Ya just gotta laugh. Well at least until the Obama/Demo - care taxes hit. or - may as well laugh now, 'cause we won't be later on.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:38 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            HTC: "To his generation, such massive socialist redistribution of private wealth within this country was simply incomprehensible. Communism/socialism was widely seen as the enemy of free men everywhere, so its embrace here seemed simply impossible."

            What was the top tax rate from 1950 to 1960? 70+/- %? And how much did a CEO make in relation to his average worker's pay? 35 to 1?

            A lot of things have changed, over time, and we certainly need to get a handle on them. Yet, I reject your Neo-Rightist, modern day John Birch Society, interpretation. Your just going to have to cough up more money! Especially if you want to chase the terrorists through Africa, while guarding the Straits of Hormuz and increasing our presence in Southeast Asia, again. Darn Nixon and our implied Dollar-to-Oil tie in, eh?

            Of course, to get enough votes Republican's will have to address Immigration Reform intelligently, along with Gay Marriage and Woman's Rights, for a start. Not to big of a hurdle? Then people might start listening to spiels about Fiscal Conservatism.

             
          • who new posted at 9:20 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            Even though the payroll tax cuts are exacerbating the unsustainable entitlement programs debacle, they should be continued. This is why-

            Don’t Get Rolled

            By The Editors, National Review Online

            What if we were to tell you there is a tax on wages that hits working families hardest, that the purported purpose of this tax — to pay for old-age entitlements — is a fraud, and that John Boehner wants to raise it as part of a fiscal-cliff deal?

            Unfortunately, that is exactly where we are. President Obama and many congressional Democrats are on record supporting a one-year extension of the two-year-old payroll-tax cut, which reduced the employee piece of Social Security withholdings from 6.2 to 4.2 percent of taxable income. But buried in House Republicans’ counteroffer is the fact that it would let that cut expire at year’s end. If that were to happen, nearly every paycheck in America (certain government employees are excepted) would get smaller on January 1, and over the course of the year, the average family earning $50,000 would get to keep about $1,000 less.

            Many middle-class households pay more in payroll tax than in income tax (for some families in the middle quintile, as much as three times more), making action on the former as consequential as action on the latter when it comes to kitchen-table economics. Nor does the money generated from the expiration have even the cosmetic virtue of being counted in the $800 billion in new revenue to which Boehner has already committed. Instead it is being treated as an extension of “current law,” no doubt in part to sidestep the of-late sensitive issue of whether failing to vote to renew the cut constitutes voting to raise taxes.

            And yet despite all this — indeed, despite the fact that it was right-of-center economists who floated a payroll-tax cut as a part of the stimulus deal, a year before the White House took up the cause in 2010 — Republicans now find themselves in danger of being seen to obsess over marginal rates for “the rich” while endorsing a massive tax hike for every wage-earner in the country as a kind of afterthought.

            This is folly. Congressional Republicans must change course and back an extension of the payroll-tax cut.

            Doing so would have another benefit, indirect but potentially far more consequential. Nominally, payroll-tax revenue winds up in the Social Security trust fund. With the payroll-tax cut, the government has been making up for that lost revenue with general funds from the Treasury. Progressives and other interest groups fear such a precedent, as they are ideologically invested in the illusion that old-age entitlements are not modes of redistribution but earned benefits in a pay-in system. They fear that breaking down the wall between Social Security and other federal spending will destabilize this illusion.
            We hope they are right. The trust fund is a fiction, and the wall has already been broken down. The government for years used payroll taxes to fund general operations — and now that entitlements cost more than payroll taxes bring in, it uses income taxes and borrowing to make up the difference. This would be true even without the payroll-tax cut.

            Preserving lower payroll-tax rates is good for working families, and for the economy. If it also reveals our entitlement problem and our debt problem to be one and the same, so much the better.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:43 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 6:32 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012

            Believe it or not, I'm with you in principle on this one.

            We knew that Saddam long had an active WMD program, actually had such weapons and had actually used them; heck, we've been discovering some of them every year we've been there. We also knew that Saddam sponsored terrorism. But, the question is whether he was likely to try to use them against us and that's where things get complicated.

            Before Operation Iraqi Freedom, there was no solid public evidence that he did. Due to that lack of evidence, I was initially opposed to going into Iraq and felt that we should focus on finishing the job, if possible, in Afghanistan; after all, no nation can long afford to be the world's self-appointed policeman when they're spending four times as much on entitlements as they are on their military.

            But invade we did and now that we've captured tons of Iraqi government documents and interrogated thousands within the Saddam administration, we know that he was planning terrorist attacks against U.S. interests abroad and possibly on our own shores as well. So, this would seem to be a case of having done the right thing but for the wrong reason.

            As for President Eisenhower, he obviously could not envision the possibility that we would abandon our Constitution and allow our political parties, in particular the Democratic Party, to buy votes with the public treasury as they constructed the massive nanny state which now threatens to drag us off the economic cliff.

            To his generation, such massive socialist redistribution of private wealth within this country was simply incomprehensible. Communism/socialism was widely seen as the enemy of free men everywhere, so its embrace here seemed simply impossible.

            If Eisenhower is turning over in his grave, it is because we've embraced the socialist enemy he sought to protect us from. He would be pleased to see that the defense sector, as a percentage of GDP, had not grown substantially as he'd once feared.

            Eisenhower, like every great military leader, realized that one has to really know who one's enemy is if they are to be successful at defending themselves from that enemy. He'd undoubtedly acknowledge that he'd failed to foresee our real enemy when he warned us about the "military-industrial" complex and that he should have warned us instead of the coming "welfare-government-Democratic Party" complex.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:23 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 9:51 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            I'm sorry if that simple logical concept is WAY over your head; but, fortunately for you, most of us get it and, because we do, we give you the benefit of that doubt that you're not completely devoid of intellect even though we've yet to see any evidence of intelligence from you.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:32 am on Mon, Dec 10, 2012.

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            So, I guess the reasons for the invasion of Iraq, and if said reasons were valid or not, are split along ideological lines? How unusual! Even Republican Deficit Hawks think the $1 Trillion in borrowed money was worth it! And to speed up repayment of said borrowed money, while shifting the emphasis of the War on Terror to Africa, all we need to do is cut Entitlements and Infrastructure spending. Good thinking, guys! And poor Eisenhower rolls over in his grave, a big sigh. [sad]

             
          • Tillie posted at 9:53 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            "Gold Metal Olympians are amateurs."

            Gold Metal? Metal??? HAHAHAHAW!!![beam]

             
          • Tillie posted at 9:51 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

            What kind of blithering idiot believes this kind of pablum? Not even HTC, because he would never leave the house otherwise, or could take no actions in life. "Well, just because I don't see or hear any evidence of a pack of wolves outside my door does not mean they are not really there. I had better stay in today." "Well, I bought this food from the store only days ago, but I have no evidence that it does not contain flesh-eating bacteria. I guess I will go hungry today."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:29 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 7:24 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            Congratulations! You've proven yourself to be a professional idiot.

             
          • kohana posted at 8:49 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Mr. Kohana: Gold Metal Olympians are amateurs.

             
          • Tillie posted at 7:24 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            T: Mr Kohana, what is your profession?

            K: I, sir, am an amateur geneologist.

            T: Your Honor, I rest my case.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:44 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 2:01 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            It cracks me up how you mock others for your own context-free 'thinking'. I guess it won't be long before you mock them for your own content-free postings.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:34 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Bronco: 'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'

            HTC: 'Tis true, but thou applieth it wrongly, knave. I have provided a considerable amount of evidence. 'Tis thy limited capacity for understanding which getteth in thy way.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 3:33 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            Speaking of taking action without evidence, that whole voter fraud charade really made the GOP look great this election didn’t it? Passing all those laws to suppress voters under the guise of a problem that didn’t exist – and you still want us to believe there were WMD?

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:01 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            jrobinson posted at 1:32 pm
            --------------------
            Where does it say in my post anything about ignoring evidence, Saddam's WMD, or Bush? It was merely reminding His Arrogance that his statement cuts both ways. Now wipe your boots off and go back inside. Time for your meds.

             
          • jrobinson posted at 1:32 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            jrobinson Posts: 10

            @bronco: "You obviously need to be reminded of yet another axiom which you conservatives just can't seem to retain for more than 5 nanoseconds: 'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'"

            You on the Left need to be reminded that dismissing and ignoring evidence does not equal a lack of it. The very reason you all have a blindpsot for all the evidence surrounding Saddam's WMDs, is SO you can dismiss this inconvenient truth. You hate Bush so much, that you will bury the truth - now matter, how big, or how obvious, or how important.

            That is how your groupthink works.

             
          • laker1 posted at 12:03 pm on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            [The Duelfer Report]

            Prewar Movement of WMD
            Material Out of Iraq

            ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi officials, examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve.

            The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a flexibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq—at least when there was considerable profit for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined. There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation.

            ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be noted that no information from debriefing of Iraqis in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.

            Nevertheless, given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation. It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely that conclusive information would have been found. At best, barring discovery of original documentary evidence of the transfer, reports or sources may have been substantiated or negated, but firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible.

            Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.

            Addendums to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on
            Iraq’s WMD, March, 2005. https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/addenda.pdf

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:47 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            HTC: You obviously need to be reminded of yet another axiom which you progressives just can't seem to retain for more than 5 nanoseconds:
            The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
            ---------------------------------
            You obviously need to be reminded of yet another axiom which you conservatives just can't seem to retain for more than 5 nanoseconds:
            'What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.'

             
          • kohana posted at 9:50 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 8:16 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            Here is little background on myself, for your edification. I am an amateur genealogist, meaning I don’t charge for my services, with about 35 years of experience. I have binders of documents with the better part of 10,000 bits of information obtained from the National Archives, courthouses, etc. from across the country. I do know what the word “research” means, to seek out information. I did spend about 2 hours last evening, researching the subject. Data regarding this subject is available on the Internet from many sources, most of it concurring with Frank’s opinion.

            Your implied slur as to Frank’s and my abilities to research, and wouldn’t know our sources, are beneath my further consideration of your opinions.

             
          • laker1 posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            News conference, August 21, 2006:
            . . .
            Q. Quick followup: A lot of the consequences you mentioned for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn't gone in. How do you square all of that?

            “The President. I square it because, imagine a world in which you had Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would—who had relations with Zarqawi. Imagine what the world would be like with him in power. The idea is to try to help change the Middle East.

            Now, look, part of the reason we went into Iraq was—the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction. But I also talked about the human suffering in Iraq, and I also talked the need to advance a freedom agenda. And so my question— my answer to your question is, is that, imagine a world in which Saddam Hussein was there, stirring up even more trouble in a part of the world that had so much resentment and so much hatred that people came and killed 3,000 of our citizens.

            You know, I've heard this theory about everything was just fine until we arrived, and then—kind of the "stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water, as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

            Q. What did Iraq have to do with that?

            The President. What did Iraq have to do with what?

            Q. The attack on the World Trade Center?

            The President. Nothing, . . .”

            http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=614

             
          • locomotivebreath1901 posted at 9:18 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            The trolls are quick to accept Dear Leader's pronouncement of WMD's in Syria, yet are absolutely convinced that there's no way - EVUH - these chemical weapons could've come across the border from Iraq.

            So... the question remains: where did Syria get chemical WMDs??

            One cannot simply go down to the druggist, or feed store, and purchase chemical weapons, such as the highly toxic Sarin Gas - an 'organophosphate,' which is a ten dollar word for nerve gas. It's a sophisticated and expensive process to manufacture, yet relatively safe to stockpile. Sarin is what Saddam Hussein unleashed upon the Kurds in north Iraq during the 1980s.

            Since Iraq did business for many decades with the Soviets , some suspect Iraq purchased those WMDs from the Russians; a violation of int'l law. Other spooks and analysts take the deposed Saddam regime at its word when it reveal the Iraqis mfg'd their own WMD's, like Sarin Gas (with raw materials supplied by the Soviets in order to circumvent int'l law).

            Syria currently is allied with Russia and Putin, and it's still a violation of int'l law to mfg. or sell nerve agents. Plus, it's still very expensive.

            So... the question remains: where did Syria get chemical WMDs??

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 9:05 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            "Great" column as always Frank. As usual, you did a great job of painting the world as you and the choir boys would like to see it since reality doesn't fit where youi live. As many of us have been scolded for in previous articles, bring up the past when you can't handle the present.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:47 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 8:16 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            You obviously need to be reminded of yet another axiom which you progressives just can't seem to retain for more than 5 nanoseconds:

            The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

            Regardless, there is a LONG list of evidence which you simply reject because you don't want to accept it. It is laughable that you would ridicule others' research efforts when you've obviously done none yourself. If you had, you'd realize how wrong you are.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:47 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Saddam Hussein, as a quietly fed and supplied U.S.Ally during his long war with Iran, had and used various chemical weapons against the Iranians. The Iranians returned the favor. And of course, after the Gulf War 1, Saddam used such weapons on various tribal Kurds, which Bush 1 kind of ignored, for some reason. Probably because Kurdistan, if realized, would affect land and politics insideTurkey, our ally and home for a large U.S.Military presence.

            Did Saddam have enough production and means of delivery to warrant Bush 2 and the NeoCon's Foreign Affair and War in Iraq? Not in my opinion. Or most of the world, for that matter.

             
          • Tillie posted at 8:16 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            Frank did not do any research. He possibly read a book, but most likely just pored over many right-wingnut websites to cobble this crap together. kohana, your saying that there is more evidence does not make there any more. Just because you were able to find some mentions of it on the internet does not constitute "research."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:53 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Obama cares SO much for the "little guy", in this case Ground Zero workers, that nearly two years after the money was appropriated, he's not compensated a single victim. I guess he's just too busy with all those Hawaiian holidays, Hollywoodite parties at the White House and rounds of golf he loves so much:

            http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/zilch_from_zadroga_OVXHXJcP8A3g6Igem57V5N

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 7:52 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Well done Frank. Saddam had many many months to hide/export his WMD. Now, standby for the minion mushrooms of Obama the great to start chipping their drivel about how wrong you must be.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:45 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 6:14 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

            There's far more evidence than simply General Sada's statements and your insistence otherwise merely displays the ignorance common to the progressive specie. It's a mistake your type make all the time.

            Every since we invaded Iraq, we have been stumbling across buried stores of artillery shells filled with chemical agents. Many of the IEDs used against us are of that type and the disposal teams carry special gear and decon materials to deal with it.

            The records of the Saddam government that are now in our hands detail his chemical weapons programs and purchases and interrogations of his generals who led those programs showed that, in the latter years of his reign, much of the money he thought they were spending for him on those programs was being spent on themselves instead. In other words, Saddam himself believed that his chemical weapons programs were still active.

            There's also the fact that Saddam gassed tens of thousands of Kurds and Iranians with weapons the left insist that he never had.

            Then there's the manufacturing equipment that later turned up in Norwegian steel recycling plants with traces of sarin and other precursor chemicals - equipment that was later matched to purchases made by the Saddam regime.

            Captured documents also showed a long-active biological weapons programs as well, with emphasis on weaponizing anthrax and stachybotris.

            Clearly Saddam long had an aggressive chemical and biological weapons program and even used those weapons more than once.

            But feel free to ignore all that and put your head back into that warm, dark place where you keep it most of the time.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:20 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Tillie posted at 6:14 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012

            You saying Frank's article is a myth has even less credibility. Frank does his research, and I spent several hours last night also researching. I read about these chemicals from even before Iraq and Iran's war. Both had them and apparently used them. Your need to insult Frank because you refuse to face the possibility of the reality of a situation is shabby indeed.

             
          • Tillie posted at 6:14 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            This story (as in "myth") is built on a single source, General Sada, whose credibility is questionable because he may have had ulterior motives to saying what he did. John Bolton and Ariel Sharon just said something, their saying something provides no corroborating evidence whatsoever that what Sada wrote was true. How strange that the movement of a large amount of materials, 56 planes' worth, would not produce a single other witness or piece of corroborating evidence.

            Two-bit cub reporters make this sort of mistake all the time.

             
          • bill39 posted at 5:25 am on Sun, Dec 9, 2012.

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            Another excellent column Frank. Makes one wonder how many phone lines the democrats have tapped of republicans and have successfully covered up since Watergate. And before Watergate. Probably hundreds, maybe thousands.