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Posted: Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:00 pm

What do these all have in common: The Ottoman Empire, the Nazi Empire, the Soviet Empire and the New Islamic Caliphate?

If you are a student of history, you will recognize that the first three of these expansionist empires have all been the underlying or overt cause of millions of deaths, and that they were central players in three world conflicts. The fourth empire, which is the only one still extant, cannot yet be measured in terms of the damage it will eventually do, but it is the largest in both geography and population and it is still growing.

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          196 comments:

          • bill39 posted at 6:17 am on Mon, Jan 28, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            HTC: Do you listen to Rush? Because, I don't. Unlike you lefties, I think for myself.

            If fish would have asked that question of me I would have replied, No, Rush listens to me.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:24 am on Sun, Jan 27, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTIC you insinuated that a woman doesn't pay for her own abortion.
            I never thought anyone else would.
            So stop spreading rumors and aborting every post.

            iabd, yes.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:43 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832


            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:43 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            IABD- At least I did not vote for the GOP's Romney who said 47 percent of Americans were completely wrong. It is the arrogance and ignorance of 1 per centers like your man Romney and Fox News pundits that insured Obama's victory. But you will always blame Obama and the Democrats.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:43 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's a beautiful day posted at 4:16 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013

            You do have a knack for finding bloggers just as ignorant of economics, finance, business, etc. as you are.

            Too bad it's not a skill that can earn you a living or you'd be in the top 1%.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            fish: HTC: just curious, is dominating the Daily Interlake's message boards with recycled Rush Limbaugh quotes

            HTC: Do you listen to Rush? Because, I don't. Unlike you lefties, I think for myself.

            fish: jennydoe, I just wanted to say that I always enjoy your posts....

            HTC: It's always amusing to watch fools high-five each other.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:39 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Who else is going to pay for it?

            HTC: Here's a novel thought for you: How about having HER pay for it?

            Sheesh! There's nothing obvious enough for you lefties, is there?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:16 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            jennydoe posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Does turtle-wax give you all the feminine protection you need?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            IABD: ....should not a woman and their doctor have the same rights when it involves unwanted pregnancy?

            HTC: Not if she wants someone else to pay for it.
            ------------
            Who else is going to pay for it? not the government. I think you'd like to see the names of women that have had abortions next to the photos of newborns in DIL? Chastise!

            Thanks fish.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:25 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 5:30 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            IABD- I expect you will someday have something very impotent to tell us. Please explain to the readers
            why you pro-lifers demand and expect respect from women when you're trying to physically and mentally control them similar to a cult group would brainwash their followers? If women's health is not a public issue is the alternative solution to drag them to a 'wife-beaters' church such as the promise-keepers.org and listen to Pat Buchanan videos?

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:38 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oh, and HTC, Pete, mooseberryinn...that last post was not the real deal. It's a blog by my friend's neighbor up in Alaska.

            http://www.stonekettle.com/2011/06/if-constitution-was-written-today.html

             
          • bill39 posted at 5:30 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            HTC: Not if she wants someone else to pay for it. The minute you insist that someone else pay for your medical care, you've made your issues a public matter.

            [smile]

            RR: If you can't wrap your mind around this, and respect his sacrifice, you will loose any respect from us as well.

            The guy has never earned any respect from me since he started posting here. Just speaking for myself.

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:27 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            The Constitution of the United States of AWESOME!!!!!
            Version 2, 2013


            The Preamble

            We the PATRIOTIC naturally born CHRISTIAN conservative ENGLISH speaking patriots of the awesomely exceptional GOD blessed United States of Awesome!!!! … in Order to form a bunch of states that have their own laws and do whatever the he// they want without regard to a central government (but in no way resemble that sissy European Union) … establish JUSTICE for people who look and think just like us … insure domestic Tranquility by deporting all the people we don’t like … provide for the common defense contractor, eliminate any and all social programs, and secure the Blessings of JESUS and Wall Street unto our exceptional selves and to he// with wussy future generations, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of By GOD America!!!!

            Alternatively, instead of this preamble, Americans may just misquote a bunch of random stuff from the Declaration of Independence and/or made-up quotes attributed to Ben Franklin that they find on the Internet.

            Amen.

            The Middle Part

            (That Nobody Reads Anyway Except for Stupid Liberal Judges who hate AMERICA)

            The Government of the United States of AWESOME will be made up of three parts: The President, Jesus … and some other stuff.

            The President must be a born again white guy from TEXAS or OHIO who believes in JESUS!!! and can trace his ancestry back to the Mayflower … he should have some kind of law degree but not from one of those fancy elitist colleges full of stinky Liberals who hate America, he must be a man of the people whose family lives in some kind of “compound” or “Estate” and owns at least one major defense contractor or a bank, he must have started his own Fortune 500 hundred company, served in war or have a minimum of two draft deferments, was an astronaut or fighter jock, was director of the CIA, a former governor, is an ordained Baptist minister, and can leap over tall buildings in a single bound, also he should be humble too. Also, he must believe in JESUS!!!!! Also he should have gray hair, but the distinguished kind of gray not that creepy old guy gray, and he should be tall but not freakishly so, he should always wear a little flag pin on his lapel and he should be able to JUGGLE or do a funny dance at BBQ’s. Also he should own a boat or a baseball team. Also, his wife should be HOT and love AMERICA and hate Muslims and eat meat and pie (NO Salad!). Also she should be HOT, like cheerleader hot and have a girl job (No LAWYERS!) like making brownies and babies and stuff like that.

            Congress should work for free and PRAY a lot … Also they should call each voter (but not during dinner or the game) and ask how to vote on each bill! They should make laws and speeches and stuff that makes JOBS but no taxes or regulations. Also we should have like, roads and airports and big wall across Mexico and some stuff like that, and it shouldn’t cost us anything because it’s, like, PATRIOTIC.

            Judges should always pray to the Ten Commandments before making any ruling!!!!!!

            We should have a big honking military made up totally of Navy SEALS and MARINES and Stealth Bombers who blow up brown people and go around saving the world … Also, Soldiers must either die heroically or come home perfectly OK and go to work in a car factory so that they don’t cost us anything and we don’t have to listen to that sissy liberal crap about how we owe them VA benefits and shite! They get a parade, that’s all the Greatest Generation got and they were GRATEFUL and totally humble and not all screwed up … Also, they should keep their uniforms and put them on and march in 4th of July Day Parades and be AWESOME, and then never mention their service for the rest of the year because that makes us feel guilty about how we spent all of Vietnam serving in the Young Republican 82nd Draft Deferment Brigade of Patriotic Americans For Patriotism.

            Screw cholesterol!!!!!

            Also, we officially hate France, homosexuals … and Al Gore…

            That’s pretty much it. The states will take care of everything else because STATE governments are super awesome and always do exactly what we say in a totally AWESOME manner that we approve of….


            The Bill of Righteousness:

            1. Right: Guns, Jesus!!!! plus Guns. And Jesus. Also, guns that fire Jesus bullets.

            2. Wrong: Brown People, Red People, Yellow People, Poor People, Homeless People, Gay People, Female People, Foreign People, Handicapped People, Hungry People, Sick People, Liberal People, Moderate People, Progressive People, People Who Don’t Love Jesus, People Who Drive Too Slow In the Fast Lane, Electric Cars, Tofu, and the French.

            This Constitution is perfect and totally AWESOME and always will be for all generations, forever. Period. Americans will consider this document holy writ handed down directly from GOD to Moses who gave it directly to Thomas Jefferson personally. Jesus then blessed Ben Franklin’s Glock and told him that all REAL Americans have the inalienable right from their AWESOME creator (GOD!) to rise up in armed rebellion against the government any time they feel scared by black people. Or Latinos. Or Liberals. Basically, whenever, because TRUE Americans love America enough to blow it up and live in a bunker. That’s freedom! All true Americans are born with complete knowledge of the Constitution printed on their brain directly by Jesus and anybody who disagrees is a filthy beret wearing communist homosexual who probably drives a Prius and eats tofu made from aborted Babies. Also, Nazis.

            Signed,

            John AWESOME Hancock.

             
          • fish posted at 5:05 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            fish Posts: 130

            jennydoe, I just wanted to say that I always enjoy your posts and I appreciate the sarcasm. Almost as much as I despise HTC's unreal arrogance and condescension.

            HTC: just curious, is dominating the Daily Interlake's message boards with recycled Rush Limbaugh quotes the most important thing in your life or is it just the last resort because everyone you know in real life just had enough with your ranting?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:16 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Give me liberty, give me hollow rhetoric, Part Two

            by Forrest Johnson

            Denial was once again on parade as the vastly uninformed New Conservative Neanderthal Party and its many candidates gushed over tax cuts for the rich and spending cuts for the rest of society in order to stimulate the economocracy. True to the head-in-the-sand philosophy of the neo-patriotic and neo-Christian, union-busting, family value climate change deniers, the free market disciples and self-styled protectors of the rich, the trumpeted cuts hold true to principles developed over the years by right wing fear mongers like Karl Rove and the billionaire Koch Brothers, silent partners in the Tea party movement.

            The mere notion that a nation and its people can cut its way to growth is ludicrous. Nothing cuts its way to growth. The idea is an oxymoron.

            Put a flag pin on your lapel and you’re in.

            This is a game on a grand scale, pure and simple and the electorate is the pawn, the feudal servant.

            For decades the right wing ideologues have commandeered the puppet strings, enhancing the vast military-industrial complex and the top few percent of income earners, swathed in a Christian hue while praying to the gods of empire.

            Let’s see, if elected aforementioned candidates and their minions will try to repeal the health care law and block Medicaid and food aid for the poor, eliminate the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, do away with AmeriCorps, restrict funding for the 2010 financial reform law, cut back on environmental regulations for clean air and water.

            All of the moves mask the intent to further de-regulate industry and fail to hold American financial and manufacturing companies at least partly responsible for the dismantling of the American middle class.

            According to Harold Meyerson, yes, an avowed lefty but his facts hold up, there is a new reality to our economy.

            “As corporate profits skyrocket, even as the economy remains stalled in a deep recession, Americans confront a grim new reality: Our corporations don’t need us anymore. Half their revenues come from abroad. Their products, increasingly, come from abroad as well. With each passing year, America’s leading corporations grow more and more decoupled from the American economy. Their interests grow increasingly detached from those of our workers, our consumers—and our economic future. That’s why the current downturn is different from it’s predecessors: Unlike any recession in American history—including the Great Depression—this one has come at a time when America’s leading employers can return to profitability without rehiring large numbers of American workers.”

            I have long said that we are failing to engage in the real discussions that impact our nation. Our most expensive health care system got right where it is under the watchful eye of the thinly regulated free market. Our economy crashed at the hands of the unregulated derivatives housing market, again under the watchful eye of the free market. Our manufacturing base has departed under the watchful eye of the free market.

            Right now the binge of rhetoric is on to encourage job growth and hiring. To the New Conservative Neanderthal Party that means letting loose the reins of any semblance of corporate or citizen responsibility for the shared costs of civil society. Using the rhetoric of victimization, the righties say the burden has fallen unfairly on the shoulders of business owners and the top two percent of income earners and any notion of taxation only hinders the effort to create jobs. The right has complained that the business community is encumbered by some of the highest taxes in the developed world.

            The tax rates may appear on the books but what is finally paid is a far different number if the company finance director has any say.

            So we’ll ignore the mess the finance industry and Wall Street made of our economy, the decades long fleeing of businesses from these shores in search of cheap labor, and protect the rich from tax increases.
            I
            n Minnesota, the righties play victim and say the top income earners will flee the state for lower tax havens if the legislature doesn’t act to lower the tax burden.

            Flee the state! And they’ll take their jobs and dollars with them they claim.

            The top few percent of income earners are hurting? I’m sorry but the pain just isn’t the same pain that’s being felt by the other 95 percent of the state’s income earners plus the Army of the Unemployed and Underemployed.

            Flee the state? So long, take a hike I’ve always said.

            The denial continues. The blind eye to fact continues. Give me liberty, give me hollow rhetoric!

            http://duluthreader.com/articles/2012/08/16/846_give_me_liberty_give_me_hollow_rhetoric_part_two

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:13 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Reb, Before you get too diametrically opposed to reality, please remember that your comments are your own individual viewpoint. If JBS has an independent comment he can post it without your attaching the word "WE." JBS has the right to speech and doesn't require you to lip sync for him.

            As for the 'anti-abortion' crowd, they should also remember: "Don't count your chickens before they are hatched."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:22 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Rebel Rouser posted at 12:24 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.
            RR-"What have you done to help make our country strong?"

            IABD- I chose the path of leading a good example by maintaining a regular monthly hair cut, and shaving my beard daily. Trying to look like a Charles Manson wannabee doesn't make it practical for a successful job interview. Are you employed?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:24 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            "as they are both right footers."

            Yes, I have diametrically opposed is-shoes too. However in this particular instance, I have chosen, out of respect for the individual American Patriot who, like many, has made a considerable sacrifice, (albeit not totally by his choice) for our country. If you can't wrap your mind around this, and respect his sacrifice, you will loose any respect from us as well. What have you done to help make our country strong?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:01 pm on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://grist.org/article/food-2010-12-10-leaked-documents-show-epa-allowed-bee-toxic-pesticide/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:52 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Natural empires are not chemically resitant to human imperialism: Lessons from history

            IABD: Tell the EPA: Immediately suspend the pesticide that's killing bees!

            http://www.credoaction.com/campaign/efsa_bees/?rc=homepage

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:29 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Rebel Rouser posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013

            If JB's shoes fit, wear them. Don't stumble as they are both right footers.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:26 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: I'm curious - what's significant about the boundary between the second and third trimester? Is this when magically the fetus now becomes a human being?
            ------------------
            During the Founders' (remember those guys?) timeline, it was called the 'quickening.' Abortions were legal then.
            And the fetus does not magically become a human being between the second and third trimester: The embryo becomes a fetus at that time...during the gestation period.

            "Fetus: The term used to describe a developing human infant from approximately the third month of pregnancy until delivery. The term embryo is used prior to the third month."----Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.
            ***********
            The human embryo has a very long tail, and branchial arches that resemble gill slits. It first forms a primitive fish like kidney, which is later discarded and replaced with a mammalian kidney. Indeed, in many respects an early human embryo more resembles a fish than a human.
            Only about half of Human fertilized eggs survive to birth. The vast majority of loss is very early, within the first few days after conception, and the mother never knew she was pregnant. This means that for every person alive, a total of about seven billion, there was a natural embryonic death.----Steve Potter, PhD, is a Professor of Pediatrics, in the Division of Developmental Biology, at Children’s Hospital Medical Center in Cincinnati.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            "JBS is still currently commenting on other blogs sites"

            You're not stalking Mr. Stone are you?

            "You would also run the risk of appearing to be an ignorant @sswhole..........................."

            I guess you've made your decision?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:50 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Soviet poster from 1918:

            http://m.flickr.com/#/photos/marussja/2633142568/sizes/in/photostream/

            Of course, we know what happened after the citizens complied and handed over their guns.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:23 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Rebel Rouser posted at 11:42 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013

            I did not make any direct or indirect disrespectful comment towards JBS. JBS is still currently commenting on other blogs sites. You, HTC and Rob123 should not be his spokesman or gossip about his medical history. If I were JBS, I would not want an invitation to an unwarranted invasion of privacy by your rabble-rousing by proxy. Do you have a signed release of information agreement with JBS? I would seriously doubt it.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:04 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/01/25/pope-tweets-support-for-dc-anti-abortion-protesters/

            IABD- The former Nazi pope Benedict shows support of violent protest.

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            IABD- You were a mental midget at birth and obviously never grew up to respect life among the living. Is this why you and the pope are anti-social by nature.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: ....should not a woman and their doctor have the same rights when it involves unwanted pregnancy?

            HTC: Not if she wants someone else to pay for it. The minute you insist that someone else pay for your medical care, you've made your issues a public matter.

            Should be easy enough for anyone to understand but it might as well be rocket science where many of the mental midgets on the left are concerned.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:44 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: Not magically, maybe not even logically, but a good place to start. The abortion foes may accept abortion up to the point where the fetus appears to be a "baby". I'm not advocating a particular time period as much as a non-arguable point of development. Abortion proponents will still have the option to abort responsibly.

            HTC: The firmly-convinced pro-lifers will never agree to any definition of human life other than at conception, so full societal buy-in to any compromise will never happen; at least, not in our lifetimes.

            While setting the upper boundary for abortion at the point when the fetus is clearly human-like in all key ways would seem to be a reasonable standard, that would limit abortion to the first trimester and many hardcore 'pro-choicers' would never agree to that.

            Some of suggested making the upper limit the point at which premature births have survived, a point which continues to creep downwards towards the beginning of the second trimester. Currently, a number of preemies have survived at 21 weeks, so that would currenlty set the limit at 5 months.

            Others have suggested that the ability of the fetus to feel pain should be the determining factor, but that would set it at somewhere between 16 weeks and 20 weeks, depending upon which scientific studies one chooses to embrace. This would seem to be a reasonable standard, given the fact that we now have many laws across the land which can make pet owners felons for inflicting pain on house pets; so, if we'll extend such protections to animals, does not a human fetus deserve the same protections?

            But we do need some standard, even though 100% agreement is impossibl, and it needs to be decided via the legislative process, not by unconstitutional and completely arbitrary judicial fiat.

            Rebel Rouser: I always (most of the time) keep scraping until I can find a win, win, you know, just like our President, Barrack Obama.

            HTC: Everyone lost when Obama was reelected, but only half of the country is smart enough to realize that.


             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:42 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Sam, perhaps owning a firearm at age 12 or 13 is 'cool', but a grown man who uses that term seems to be trying to compensate for something. And destroying anything is not cool. Inanimate or not. Had you said 'target shooting is fun' or such would have kept respect, but you might be the kind that feels it is okay to shoot and kill an abortion doctor...'for the innocent' Please render all your firearms to the local sheriff department for your safety and ours. Thanks.

            SA: Either the unborn are persons or they are not, it's that simple
            ----
            yup. it is that simple that fetus' are not a person. As the catholic church has pointed out in their lawsuit.
            Do you feel it helps the republican party that Boehner has ending abortion a number one priority this year?

             
          • who new posted at 12:12 am on Sat, Jan 26, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Sam Adams: “This is a watershed issue because there is no middle ground between life and death.”

            So turning off life support from someone who is alive, but brain-dead, is murder?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 11:42 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            IABD, you make some interesting points. Now, please stop making comments which include disrespectful references towards JBStone. If you continue doing this, you run the risk of making yourself appear to have a total lack of respect and/or compassion for a person who deserves nothing less than our utmost respect. You would also run the risk of appearing to be an ignorant @sswhole and we wouldn't want that, right?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:21 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/25/1182010/-GOP-senator-says-policy-of-pretending-women-aren-t-already-in-combat-works-just-fine-thanks

            IABD- If JB happened to be a quadriplegic female combat veteran who was raped in a combat zone, should she have the dignity and privacy to the right to an abortion?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:26 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Since everyone agrees JB has a human as well as medical right to privacy and confidentiality, should not a woman and their doctor have the same rights when it involves unwanted pregnancy?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:17 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            Hang in there, JB!

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 5:38 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Complacency led to our "standing in a sea of scum. The right left paradigm is part of their scheme to divide and conquer the electorate. If you continue to participate, they will surely win.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 5:31 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            HighTechCowboy posted at 5:09 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Dittorama!!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:09 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser posted at 4:42 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013

            Thanks for the update, RR.

            JB, if you're at least reading this once in a while, I wish you ALL the best and thanks again for your service. You've sacrificed much for our country.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 4:45 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Rebel Rouser posted at 4:25 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Sorry, I forgot to add, hahahahaaaaa! to the end of that post!

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 4:42 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            IABD, thanks for your concern, however I would never post anything (hopefully) that would cause anyone any pain or hardship.

            Mr. Stone is doing as well as he can, considering what the military did to him and his shipmates.

            To all, thanks for your concern from me, and JBS.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 4:25 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            "HTC: I'm curious - what's significant about the boundary between the second and third trimester? Is this when magically the fetus now becomes a human being?"

            Not magically, maybe not even logically, but a good place to start. The abortion foes may accept abortion up to the point where the fetus appears to be a "baby". I'm not advocating a particular time period as much as a non-arguable point of development. Abortion proponents will still have the option to abort responsibly. I always (most of the time) keep scraping until I can find a win, win, you know, just like our President, Barrack Obama.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:12 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Always the consummate hypocrite and Chicago-style lady thug, Diane Feinstein held a press conference to promote her newest 'assault' weapon ban and invited the Dean of the D.C. National Cathedral to speak, even though she's always protested people of faith bringing religion into the abortion issue and criticized their resistance to Obama's order forcing them to pay for others' abortions.

            She and other Democrats also threatened churches and pastors who took political positions unfavorable to them from the pulpit during the last election cycle, threatening to revoke their tax exempt status if they continued to exercise their free speech rights.

            But she didn't hesistate for a moment to make backing her attempted violations of Second Amencment rights a religious issue, with the Dean claiming essentially that anyone of faith who didn't back it was a bad person.

            Meanwhile, Rahm Emannual is now calling major banks and threatening them if they don't stop doing business with ALL gun manufacturers. Apparently he's not aware of federal laws against interfering with lawful commerce or, more likely, he realizes that Obama's DOJ will, in spite of their sworn oaths, merely look the other way.

            Those who claim to be "Democrat and Proud!" are making their statement while standing in a sea of scum.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:49 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Rebel Rouser posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            "I'm one of the few posters on this blog who has the ability to call Mr. Stone, in your learned opinion, do you think it would be too intrusive to contact him out of concern for his well being, or would that be just too rude?"

            IABD- It is nobody's business. If Mr. Stone has a medical issue, he has the medical right of privacy. When I worked for the hospital locally, I recall the local idiots known as the 'promise-keepers' visiting with patients due to the fact there wasn't any privacy at the time and their room number was public. When a person's medical information is breeched, such as news they are in the hospital, patient's homes were then robbed.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:30 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Cisco CEO: "U.S. NOT attractive for business":

            http://www.impomag.com/videos/2013/01/cisco-ceo-canada-best-business?et_cid=3059607&et_rid=60885047&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.impomag.com%2fvideos%2f2013%2f01%2fcisco-ceo-canada-best-business

            Unfortunately, Obama is doing everything he can to make the U.S. even less conducive to business growth and expansion.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:22 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: However, I also believe a sensible solution to the issue could be to NOT allow abortions after the beginning of the third trimester, or the end of the second trimester.

            HTC: I'm curious - what's significant about the boundary between the second and third trimester? Is this when magically the fetus now becomes a human being?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:33 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            "I'd bet that he'd appreciate the sentiment. Please keep the rest of us posted. Thanks."

            [thumbup]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:23 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013

            I'd bet that he'd appreciate the sentiment. Please keep the rest of us posted. Thanks.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 2:18 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Sam Adams posted at 1:07 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Sammy, trust me, the last thing that would ever happen, is me, creeping into your son's bedroom around 2 in the morning, or ever (I don't creep). Also, you might be surprised to know, that I think if a woman gets pregnant (for reasons other than incest, rape, or immaculate conception), they should NOT be restricted from aborting the pregnancy. However, I do believe a sensible solution to this issue, could be to not allow abortions after the beginning of the third trimester, or the end of the second trimester. At that time, (if the woman can't decide or fails to abort), she should be required to "own up" and continue with the pregnancy. This solution should be acceptable and apparent to both sides of the issue, however, neither side is willing to risk giving the other the first step, in fear of their opponent not stopping with their emotional drive to win at all costs. Surely our society can agree that abortion is not acceptable beyond a specific stage of development. I also believe there should be more alternatives for the mother (if she should choose not abort for any reason), thus allowing the (oftentimes confused) woman a real choice/option to continue with the pregnancy and give birth to the child.

            See, I'm not the monster you thought I was, right?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 2:09 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Sam Adams posted at 1:07 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Sammy, trust me, the last thing that would ever happen is me, creeping into your son's bedroom around 2 in the morning, or ever (I don't creep). Also, you might be surprised to know that I believe if a woman gets pregnant (for reasons other than incest, rape, or immaculate conception), they should not be restricted from aborting the pregnancy. However, I also believe a sensible solution to the issue could be to NOT allow abortions after the beginning of the third trimester, or the end of the second trimester. At that time, if the woman can't decide, or fails to act upon her pregnancy and abort, she should be required to "own up" and continue with the pregnancy. This solution should be acceptable and apparent to both sides of the issue, however, neither side is willing to risk giving the other the first step, in fear that there opponent won't stop there with their emotional drive to win at all costs. Surely our society can agree that abortion is not acceptable beyond a specific stage of development. I also believe there should be more alternatives for the mother if she should choose not to abort for any reason, thus allowing the (oftentimes confused) woman a real choice/option to continue with the pregnancy and give birth to the child.

            See, I'm not the monster you thought I was, right?.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            "HTC: No, I don't. He's not posted for some time, which has me worried. His last few posts were also very short and atypical of the more energetic JB. I hope he's OK."


            I'm one of the few posters on this blog who has the ability to call Mr. Stone, in your learned opinion, do you think it would be too intrusive to contact him out of concern for his well being, or would that be just too rude?

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 1:07 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            Reb: I would bet mt last dollar that you support the right to bear arms? Allowing you to exercise your gGod given "right" to own weapons that are mainly (globally) used to rip flesh and tear people to shreds rendering them before the feet of your lord, gGod almighty? Hypocrisy runs deep in people like you

            SA: Reb, you know so much that just isn't so. I own several firearms, and I own them for three reasons. 1) Because they are cool. 2) To destroy inanimate objects (because that's cool too) and 3) I own them for the same reason I oppose abortion: To protect the innocent. If you are not sure what I mean by that, try creeping into my son's bedroom around 2 in the morning. You are awful quick to judge, but, I think you just don't have a clue.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 12:58 pm on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            who new posted at 11:58

            My goal is not to be the most articulate, or the most popular... just right.

            who new: For some reason, this issue has become one of conservatives versus liberals. I suspect this subject more than any other is why so many people identify themselves as independent rather than conservative

            SA: This is a watershed issue because there is no middle ground between life and death. Either the unborn are persons or they are not, it's that simple. There is no room for some sort of Hegelian synthesis. We oppose the abortion for the same reason we oppose infanticide and all other forms of murder: Because "all men are created equal and endowed with certain inalienable rights, among these are life..." If we, as a society can decide to start killing the unborn, we can choose to do anything we want. That murder is wrong is written in the stars, it is, as they say, 'self evident'.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:45 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            Rebel Rouser: So, do you know what's up with Stone?

            HTC: No, I don't. He's not posted for some time, which has me worried. His last few posts were also very short and atypical of the more energetic JB. I hope he's OK.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:29 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            Court: Obama's 'Recess' Appointments Unconstitutional
            January 25, 2013 | AP

            WASHINGTON – A federal appeals court ruled Friday that President Obama violated the Constitution when he sidestepped the Senate to fill open spots on a labor relations panel.

            In December, Senate Republicans forced a courtroom showdown with the president after they said he didn’t have the power to make three appointments to the National Labor Relations Board.

            Attorneys for the Obama administration argued that he had the authority because the Senate was in recess. The case is a test of the White House’s authority to bypass Congress’ power to block nominations. Recess appointments have a shelf-life of two years.

            “Considering the text, history and structure of the Constitution, these appointments were invalid from their inception,” a panel said.

            The ruling is an embarrassing blow to the Obama administration and could call into question his recess appointment of Richard Cordray as head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.

            White House attorneys are expected to appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court, but if it stands, it means hundreds of decisions issued by the board over more than a year are invalid. It also would leave the five-member labor board with just one validly appointed member, effectively shutting it down. The board is allowed to issue decisions only when it has at least three sitting members.

            On Jan. 4, 2012, Obama appointed Deputy Labor Secretary Sharon Block, union lawyer Richard Griffin and NLRB counsel Terence Flynn to fill vacancies on the NLRB, giving it a full contingent for the first time in more than a year. Block and Griffin are Democrats, while Flynn is a Republican. Flynn stepped down from the board last year.

            Obama also appointed Cordray on the same day.

            The court's decision is a victory for Republicans and business groups that have been attacking the labor board for issuing a series of decisions and rules that make it easier for the nation's labor unions to organize new members.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:28 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:11 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            I've never read that "The mere presentation of a firearm............" blah, blah, blah, anywhere, but I won't argue the "fact" with you.

            So, do you know what's up with Stone?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:11 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: Allowing you to exercise your gGod given "right" to own weapons that are mainly (globally) used to rip flesh and tear people to shreds rendering them before the feet of your lord, gGod almighty?

            HTC: As in many others of your posts, your 'facts' are complete horsepuckey. The mere presentation of a firearm by a perp's intended victim prevents more crimes globally, often violent crimes, than firearms are actually used to "rip flesh and tear people to shreds."

            Perhaps you also suffer from an overactive anterior cingulate cortex (ACC)?

            And do continue the 'class' act. It's so refreshing to see the REAL you finally come to light.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:05 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            'Justice' Insanely Liberal California Style:

            http://www.modbee.com/2013/01/22/2543721/judge-orders-release-of-woman.html

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 9:58 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            On a much lighter note, JBS, are you out there? Are you doing OK man? I haven't been able to stay on top of the blog lately and I haven't seen your usual 4 cents.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            'Accountability' Obama-style
            January 25, 2013

            Secretary of State Hillary Clinton confirmed this week that several employees who were "removed" from their positions in the wake of the Libya terror attack are still being paid and have not actually left her department.

            But she also gave a surprising answer when asked why: Her hands are tied, she said.

            Amid complaints from lawmakers that no government official has really been held accountable for missteps in the run-up to the attack, Clinton claimed current federal regulations limit what disciplinary actions can be taken.

            The sticking point appears to be what constitutes a "breach of duty," which is the threshold for action. Whether it turns out the secretary has more leeway, lawmakers expressed a keen interest Thursday in changing the law.

            "I'm sure that Congress will work on this important issue so that those held responsible for ignoring repeated requests for more security will not continue to enjoy their paid vacations, which is what administrative leave with salary is," Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., former chairwoman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, said in a statement to FoxNews.com.

            Ros-Lehtinen said her understanding is that department lawyers determined the review board "did not cite the correct causes that would have allowed such disciplinary action."

            The congresswoman pointedly questioned Clinton on Wednesday during a House hearing about the four employees who were supposedly punished after a long-awaited report on the Sept. 11 attack was released late last year. She accused the department of doing "nothing to correct the record" when media reported at the time that department officials were being held accountable.

            "There's just been a shuffling of the deck chairs," Ros-Lehtinen said.

            Clinton confirmed that, while four individuals were "removed from their jobs," three of those employees who were placed on administrative leave are still on leave and being paid.

            The New York Post reported last month that the fourth, Assistant Secretary of State Eric Boswell, resigned from his position but not the department. The State Department has not disputed that.

            But Clinton claimed Wednesday that "we have taken every step that is available."

            "Under federal statute and regulations, unsatisfactory leadership is not grounds for finding a breach of duty," she said. "And the (review board) did not find that these four individuals breached their duty."

            Clinton was referring to the findings of the Accountability Review Board, which said "certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus in critical positions ... demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability appropriate for the State Department's senior ranks."

            The board, though, said it did not find any employees "engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored his or her responsibilities, and, therefore did not find reasonable cause to believe that an individual breached his or her duty so as to be the subject of a recommendation for disciplinary action."

            That language is important, because of the rules laid out by the Omnibus Diplomatic and Antiterrorism Act of 1986.

            According to the law, an accountability review board can recommend disciplinary action if it believes someone has "breached the duty of that individual."

            As the Libya board explained, though, "poor performance" does not necessarily "constitute a breach of duty" that could lead to disciplinary action.

            The board recommended a change. In the Libya report, the board said the "unsatisfactory leadership performance" at issue "should be a potential basis for discipline recommendations by future ARBs" -- and recommended the department regulations be changed.

            Clinton, too, said she was submitting legislation to "fix this problem."

            "Because I agree with you," she said. "There ought to be more leeway."

            Lawmakers were nevertheless dubious.

            "I come from industry. I come from government. And there are individuals that just have to be cut loose when they're not performing their tasks," Rep. Tom Marino, R-Pa., told Clinton on Wednesday. "What's the hold-up from a management perspective of saying, `You three let me down, this should have been brought to my attention. I no longer need your services?'''

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/25/clinton-says-hands-tied-on-disciplining-staffers-over-benghazi-calls-for-change/#ixzz2J0VGB1ST

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 9:53 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Sam Adams, I would bet mt last dollar that you support the right to bear arms? Allowing you to exercise your gGod given "right" to own weapons that are mainly (globally) used to rip flesh and tear people to shreds rendering them before the feet of your lord, gGod almighty? Hypocrisy runs deep in people like you, as you probably love your fellow man so much that you can't wait for them to burn in hell for eternity. Hey, I have a good idea, let's abort YOUR genitalia so you won't procreate!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:43 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            Obama Doubles Down on Socialism
            by Charles Krauthammer
            January 25, 2013

            The media herd is stunned to discover that Barack Obama is a man of the left. After 699 teleprompted presidential speeches, the commentariat was apparently still oblivious. Until Monday's inaugural address, that is.

            Where has everyone been these four years? The only surprise is that Obama chose his second inaugural, generally an occasion for "malice toward none" ecumenism, to unveil so uncompromising a left-liberal manifesto.

            But the substance was no surprise. After all, Obama had unveiled his transformational agenda in his very first address to Congress, four years ago (Feb. 24, 2009). It was, I wrote at the time, "the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president."

            Nor was it mere talk. Obama went on to essentially nationalize health care, 18 percent of the U.S. economy — after passing an $833 billion stimulus that precipitated an unprecedented expansion of government spending. Washington now spends 24 percent of GDP, fully one-fifth higher than the postwar norm of 20 percent.

            Obama's ambitions were derailed by the 2010 midterm shellacking that cost him the House. But now that he's won again, the revolution is back, as announced in Monday's inaugural address.

            It was a paean to big government. At its heart was Obama's pledge to (1) defend unyieldingly the 20th-century welfare state and (2) expand it unrelentingly for the 21st.

            The first part of that agenda — clinging zealously to the increasingly obsolete structures of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid — is the very definition of reactionary liberalism. Social Security was created when life expectancy was 62. Medicare was created when modern medical technology was in its infancy. Today's radically different demographics and technology have rendered these programs, as structured, unsustainable. Everyone knows that, unless reformed, they will swallow up the rest of the budget.

            As for the second part — enlargement — Obama had already begun that in his first term with Obamacare. Monday's inaugural address reinstated yet another grand Obama project — healing the planet. It promised a state-created green energy sector, massively subsidized (even as the state's regulatory apparatus systematically squeezes fossil fuels, killing coal today, shale gas tomorrow).

            The playbook is well known. As Czech President (and economist) Vaclav Klaus once explained, environmentalism is the successor to failed socialism as justification for all-pervasive rule by a politburo of experts. Only now, it acts in the name of not the proletariat but the planet.

            Monday's address also served to disabuse the fantasists of any Obama interest in fiscal reform or debt reduction. This speech was spectacularly devoid of any acknowledgment of the central threat to the postindustrial democracies (as already seen in Europe) — the crisis of an increasingly insolvent entitlement state.

            On the contrary. Obama is the apostle of the ever-expanding state. His speech was an ode to the collectivity. But by that he means only government, not the myriad of voluntary associations — religious, cultural, charitable, artistic, advocacy, ad infinitum — that are the glory of the American system.

            For Obama, nothing lies between citizen and state. It is a desert, within which the isolated citizen finds protection only in the shadow of Leviathan. Put another way, this speech is the perfect homily for the marriage of Julia — the Obama campaign's atomized citizen, coddled from cradle to grave — and the state.

            In the eye of history, Obama's second inaugural is a direct response to Ronald Reagan's first. On Jan. 20, 1981, Reagan had proclaimed: "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." And then succeeded in bending the national consensus to his ideology — as confirmed 15 years later when the next Democratic president declared "The era of big government is over." So said Bill Clinton, who then proceeded to abolish welfare.

            Obama is no Clinton. He doesn't abolish entitlements; he preserves the old ones and creates new ones in pursuit of a vision of a more just social order where fighting inequality and leveling social differences are the great task of government.

            Obama said in 2008 that Reagan "changed the trajectory of America" in a way that Clinton did not. He meant that Reagan had transformed the political zeitgeist, while Clinton accepted and thus validated the new Reaganite norm.

            Not Obama. His mission is to redeem and resurrect the 50-year pre-Reagan liberal ascendancy. Accordingly, his second inaugural address, ideologically unapologetic and aggressive, is his historical marker, his self-proclamation as the Reagan of the left.

            If he succeeds in these next four years, he will have earned the title.

            Charles Krauthammer's email address is letters@charleskrauthammer.com.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:09 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            who new: ....polls have consistently shown that roughly 75 to 80% of Americans believe abortions should be allowed under certain or all circumstances

            HTC: You are correct, of course, as this Gallup poll shows:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

            Interestingly, more Americans support abortion in some or all cases as support Roe v. Wade itself:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/160058/majority-americans-support-roe-wade-decision.aspx

            That chart shows a sharp drop both in those who support Roe and those who would overturn it, all in the past 7 years. It is the "undecideds" which gained in size. A detailed study to find out why this has occurred could be an interesting read.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:00 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            Rob123: Proposed New Mexico Law Would Send Rape Victims Who Abort Pregnancies To Prison For 'Tampering With Evidence'

            HTC: Hopefully she gets very few GOP cosponsors for her bill which is so bad on so many fronts that's it's difficult to decide where to begin ripping it apart; fortunately, most people don't need its many faults pointed out to them.

            If this bill had focused on the perp rather than the victim by adding yet another felony to the rapist's charges by criminalizing a rapist's efforts to have his child by a minor aborted to coverup his crime; then, it would make sense.

            But criminalizing the victim is simply outrageous. It also lacks a legal basis as pregnancy was never the standard for proving rape.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:51 am on Fri, Jan 25, 2013.

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            Sam Adams posted at 8:48 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            I thought the Dred Scott Decision and then the 14th Amendment had to do with the status of "people" 'Born', along with notions of 'Pursuit of Liberty' by said 'Born People'? As you push these notions into the initial cellular reaction, and attempt to call these cells 'people', certainly you have the burden of proof along with the need to transcend Faith Statements?

            I would hate to find out I am arguing with an educated person, obviously, who is still firmly within the fold of his Ultra-Conservative Lutheran upbringing, just like his parents who came to NW Mt. to cut & mill trees and worship God? Just a guess.

             
          • who new posted at 11:58 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Sam Adams, correct me if I am wrong, but based on your statements I believe you would oppose abortion under any circumstances. Unfortunately for you, for the last 40 years or so, polls have consistently shown that roughly 75 to 80% of Americans believe abortions should be allowed under certain or all circumstances. You are in the less than 20% minority.

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx

            Advocates much more articulate than you have tried to argue the moral high ground but their efforts have never really changed people’s opinions.

            For some reason, this issue has become one of conservatives versus liberals. I suspect this subject more than any other is why so many people identify themselves as independent rather than conservative. Were it not for polarizing effect of this emotional cause, I believe conservative issues would have much more support.

            But one thing I know for sure, the pro-lifers are extremely passionate and will never allow to issue to go away.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:59 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            HTC: Really? Only recently has the percentage of the population which favors legalizing marijuana finally reached the halfway mark:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/150149/record-high-americans-favor-legalizing-marijuana.aspx
            But hang in there - it will become a majority soon enough and we might see things change on that score.

            IABD- HTC and the Gallup pollsters must have been smoking marijuana last election when Romney was reportedly leading in their polls.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 8:48 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            Rebel: The zygote, embryo, fetus, is the biological property of each woman to do with as she will

            SA: Wow... I haven't heard logic like that since the Dred Scott Decision. I thought you progressives were supposed to be, er, progressive. You sound a little regressive to me.

            Rebel: Usuck! I would personally be willing to cut off your......, and shove them down your esophagus, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

            SA: All because I oppose deliberately dismembering people? You seem to be a very reasonable and tolerant guy; I hope my children grow up to be just like you.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 8:33 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            and why do tightie righties always screw up their sentence when ridiculing the intellegence of the left?

            oh... you got me! I made a typo, but you failed to make an argument.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:15 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            jennydoe: If we really cared about what the majority of Americans want, we'd find that marijuana would be legal and the republican party would be annihilated.

            HTC: Really? Only recently has the percentage of the population which favors legalizing marijuana finally reached the halfway mark:

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/150149/record-high-americans-favor-legalizing-marijuana.aspx

            But hang in there - it will become a majority soon enough and we might see things change on that score.

            But some in Washington, particularly Democrats, continue to show that they really don't give a damn what the majority want. They gave us 'stimulus', even though a solid majority of Americans were opposed to it. They gave us ObamaCare, even though a sizable majority of Americans did everything they could to make it clear they didn't want that either. The Democrats in the Senate have not passed a budget in four years, even though over 70% of survey respondents have long made clear that they want that done as required by law and the Constitution. The Dems refuse to address ANY meaningful spending cuts to entitlements or welfare, even though polls consistently show roughly three-fourths of Americans want that and know that we need to make those cuts.

            I could go on but it should be clear enough from those examples that it's the Democrats who don't give a rat's azz what the people really want.

            jennydoe: And HTIC, you are a toliet critter for saying anyone is 'pro-abortion'. you know better, but you are really scum sometimes.

            HTC: Struck a nerve did I? Can't take it when the table's turned?

            It's OK for you lefties to call those who oppose government redistribution of wealth "uncompassionate"; or who oppose illegal immigration "anti-immigrant" or "xenophobes"; or who opposed Obama's policies "racist"; but, you can't handle a far more accurate label such as "pro-abortion" when you've repeatedly gone out of your way to label "pro-lifers" as "anti-abortion" and "anti-women" and "sexists" and other things I can't mention here.

            Your adding hypersensitivity-based name calling to your blatant hypocrisy is anything but impressive.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:50 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/01/24/proposed-new-mexico-law-would-send-rape-victims-who-abort-pregnancies-to-prison-for-tampering-with-evidence/

            OP/ED | 1/24/2013 @ 3:01PM |5,398 views
            Proposed New Mexico Law Would Send Rape Victims Who Abort Pregnancies To Prison For 'Tampering With Evidence'

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:48 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            If we really cared about what the majority of Americans want, we'd find that marijuana would be legal and the republican party would be annihilated. And HTIC, you are a toliet critter for saying anyone is 'pro-abortion'.
            you know better, but you are really scum sometimes.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:43 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Sorry, I didn't word that last post correctly, it's "why we need to keep control of our guns."

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:39 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            and if you want the unborn fetus of a rape victim to not be aborted than perhaps you should consider New Mexico who thinks you are "tampering with evidence" if one aborts in such a case. Has nothing to do with personhood tho.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:35 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            SAM ADAMS: Q: Why do leftists constantly obfuscate and distract rather than provide and intellectual response? A: Because leftists know their arguments can not hold water under scrutiny.

            ----
            and why do tightie righties always screw up their sentence when ridiculing the intellegence of the left?

             
          • kohana posted at 6:34 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F584p5kJL-U&feature=youtu.be

            The 3rd amendment, why we need gun control.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:07 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:34 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HTC- "And keep in mind that there's still a lot more that we don't know than what we do know regarding the operation of the human brain."

            IABD- Thanks to true pioneers in rugged individualism, and home correspondence courses from the Henry David Thoreau School of Self Brain Surgery, HTC will someday have an answer to the riddle of left-wing liberalism.

            http://www.figurerealm.com/userimages/customs/7000/6871-2.jpg

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:07 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            theological noncognitivist

            "I suspect that the legislative process probably would keep abortion legal, but most likely with some controls/limitations that the left would not like. For this reason, BOTH parties are loathe to settle this the proper way."

            Yup....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eryxAcsTcOA&feature=youtu.be

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:03 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

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            A reminder from George Washington to many on the left AND the right:

            "The basis of our political systems is the right of the people to make and to alter their Constitutions of Government. But the Constitution which at any time exists, 'till changed by an explicit and authentic act of the whole People, is sacredly obligatory upon all." -- George Washington (1796)

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 3:47 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            Do you feel a woman has the right to having an abortion if she was raped? SA: I would not sentence the child to death because the father is a rapist.

            Do women have the right to use contraceptives? SA: That's a goofy question. Although there are many who do not believe in using contraceptives, I do not know of any sane person who would make it a matter of public policy to outlaw the use of contraceptives.

            Should HTC be required to have a condom machine in the employee mens room? SA: Although every person has the right to access and use contrceptives, HTC has no obligation to facilitate their use. No, neither HTC nor any other employer should be required to provide contraceptives against their wishes. Just because I have the right to own an AR-15 does not mean that I can force the Amish or UC Berkely to provide me with one.

            I believe women should have the right to decide what will become life. SA: Sorry, life is life. It does not 'become' life. Does the zygote or embryo or fetus become human merely because the mother wishes it were so? If mom wants a baby, then does the mass of tissue become human? What if she changes her mind, does the human revert to being just a mass of tissue again?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:46 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: I would personally be willing to cut off your......, and shove them down your esophagus, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

            HTC: Ah, you're such a class act, RR. And your tolerance of others is SO exemplary!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:41 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: A straight up or down vote 'by the people' would be interesting? Roe vs Wade would, in my opinion, be approved.

            HTC: It would not only be interesting, it is demanded by the Constitution. Roe v. Wade was a horrendous example of legislating from the bench and it is time that the people themselves get to settle this the right way.

            I suspect that the legislative process probably would keep abortion legal, but most likely with some controls/limitations that the left would not like. For this reason, BOTH parties are loathe to settle this the proper way.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:34 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            IABD: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1342239/Brain-study-reveals-right-wing-conservatives-larger-primitive-amygdala.html

            HTC: Before you inflate even further that already too-empty head, I'd strongly suggest you do a lot more reading about the human brain and our latest scientific findings where these two areas of the brain (amygdala and anterior cingulate cortex (ACC)) are concerned. And keep in mind that there's still a lot more that we don't know than what we do know regarding the operation of the human brain.

            It is also important to note that SERIOUS researchers in brain function use FMRI's, (Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging), not simple MRIs, as this 'study' did. It is generally accepted that the size of an area of the brain is NOT an accurate indicator of level of activity or capability, and that is why newer tools such as FMRIs have been and are still being developed. Newer tools are already coming on the scene which allow us to measure electrical activity in brain areas of interest which, combined with FMRI's, are enabling the development of far more accurate models of brain function including what portions of the brain are involved in what step in the performance of a particular function.

            A more thorough review of the research on these two areas makes clear that it is widely accepted that the amygdala plays a key role in enabling us to recognize potential threats in the vast amount of information being processed by the sensory control areas of the brain. While 'primitive' in the sense that it is an older part of the brain in evolutionary terms, that should not be taken to mean that it is 'outdate' or that its activity makes one 'primitive' as well.

            Much research has already demonstrated that this area is more active in those who test as 'conservative' than those who test as 'progressives/liberals' when test subjects where confronted with test scenarios, some of which involved some real threats. Not surprisingly, the conservatives were much better at recognizing those threats than were the liberals.

            This is why it took a Winston Churchill to save his nation from the Hitler that liberal Chamberlain failed to see as the threat that he was.

            As for the ACC, the prevailing view is that it is heavily involved in the subjective experience of emotions and plays little, if any, role in cognitive function, since severe tumors or lesions to this area produce little cognitive deficit other than on the Stroop Test. Some research has shown higher levels of activity in this area in liberals versus conservatives, which may help to explain their frequent emphasis on 'feelings' over other considerations such as simple issues of unaffordability.

            But I have to stress that we have a VERY long way to go in deciphering how the human brain works, so don't consider any of this as "settled science" quite yet. While much of the latest neurological research would seem to give conservatives something to gloat over, they appear smart enough to wait until the science is more robust and complete.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:56 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            SAM ADAMS: Q: Why do leftists constantly obfuscate and distract rather than provide and intellectual response? A: Because leftists know their arguments can not hold water under scrutiny.

            HTC: You give them more credit than they deserve, Mr. Adams. Most of them talk the same way they 'think.' What you call 'obfuscation' and 'distraction' for most of them is simply a manifestation of how their mental processes actually work. Someday we may well categorize liberal 'thinking' as a mental disorder.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: As you fear a SCOTUS ruling which removes your "gGod given right to bear arms?

            HTC: SCOTUS would be on dangerous ground were they to attempt that; for, unlike any 'right' to abortion, our right to bear arms is expressly protected in the Bill of Rights and any attempt to violate that right would be an assault on the Constitution and an act of treason.

            Rebel Rouser: The main point I was trying to make via "a: one who stirs up public feeling on controversial issues" was the right wings propensity to lie to the electorate, catering to their emotions, to achieve greater intrusiveness into OUR lives, something which I believe you to abhor?

            HTC: Oh, yeah, the Democrats NEVER lie or engage in fear-mongering, right? Hah, hah, hah....

            While the Democrats may not have invented lying, they've certainly elevated it to an art form. They've engaged in a nonstop barrage of lies about conservatives/libertarians my entire life, from insisting that those who are opposed to throwing more good money after bad on our failed public education system are "anti-education"; that those who are opposed to illegal immigration are "anti-immigrant"; that those who oppose government dependency programs are "anti-poor"; to allegations that those who are for free markets are "pro-corporate monopolization of our economy and government."

            That is far from being an exhaustive list of the nearly countless lies that constantly spill from the lips of Democrats and you'll soon get to add another: that those who oppose their bull$hit 'assault' weapons ban are "anti-children."

            Q: You know how you can tell when a Democrat is lying?

            A: His/her lips are moving.


             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 2:37 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Sam, I will take the liberty to assume, based on your apparent fanatical X-ian B-S belief in fairy tales, that you think because you don't agree with abortion, that women should carry the fertilized egg until birth, have birth (including all expenses), and raise the b@st@rd child, just because you say so? This is your concept of government staying out of peoples lives? The zygote, embryo, fetus, is the biological property of each woman to do with as she will, and has absolutely nothing to do with you and your Effed up mental disorder, let alone any business of the U. S. government. Usuck! I would personally be willing to cut off your......, and shove them down your esophagus, in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:19 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Sam Adams posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013

            I view myself as a centrist however anyone who disagrees with your extreme bi-polar position is obviously a leftest. Perhaps we have a misunderstanding. Do you feel a woman has the right to having an abortion if she was raped? I certainly do. Do women have the right to use contraceptives? I certainly do. Should HTC be required to have a condom machine in the employee mens room? I certainly do. I believe women should have the right to decide what will become life and not some International Fraternal Order of Snake-Oil Salesmen such as the pope who was a former Nazi brownshirt.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 2:06 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            Rob123: One should follow one's logic, eh? Unless, of course, you cop out in a Kierkegaardian leap and only recognize us Human bipods as 'special' and 'in the image of God'

            Sam Adams: I don't need Kierkegaard to tell me that humans are special and set apart from the animal kingdom. Our distinction from the rest of creation is, as one dead white guy wrote, 'self evident'.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 1:53 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            SAM ADAMS: Q: Why do leftists constantly obfuscate and distract rather than provide an intellectual response? A: Because leftists know their arguments can not hold water under scrutiny.

            Looks like IABD made my point for me:


            IABD- Would you ever give up your right to have a mental abortion.

            Sam Adams: I made the mistake of trying to have a substantive discussion with a leftist... and what do I get? No substantive response, just a lame snide comment. Not too original either. By his lack of counter argument, it appears that Mr. IABD is willing to concede the fact the unborn are people. Will IABD take the next step and agree that we ought condone murder?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:59 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 12:34 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Mr. bill, Because the original constitutional rights of man is greater than of a woman, do you have the capacity to conceive of a woman ever having greater intellectual ability than yourself? Would an equal rights amendment seem too treasonous to you?

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:34 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            IABD- Would you ever give up your right to have a mental abortion.

            intellect: the power of knowing as distinguished from the power to feel and to will : the capacity for knowledge. (which you have none)

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:19 pm on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            The only thing Roe vs Wade did, in my opinion, was open the door to 'choice' for people without the money to travel to foreign countries IF they decided to have an abortion, which people with money had been doing for at least 100 years prior to Roe vs Wade.

            And when you pull the argument into the "a zygote, an embryo, a fetus......" belief level, you are very close to a confirmation of what the zealots at PETA argue. One should follow one's logic, eh? Unless, of course, you cop out in a Kierkegaardian leap and only recognize us Human bipods as 'special' and 'in the image of God'.

            A straight up or down vote 'by the people' would be interesting? Roe vs Wade would, in my opinion, be approved.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:50 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Sam Adams posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            IABD- Would you ever give up your right to have a mental abortion?

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1342239/Brain-study-reveals-right-wing-conservatives-larger-primitive-amygdala.html

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 11:24 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            JENNYDOE: they are only innocent until someone files a lawsuit.....so it is you rm.........

            SAM ADAMS: Q: Why do leftists constantly obfuscate and distract rather than provide and intellectual response? A: Because leftists know their arguments can not hold water under scrutiny.

            Lawsuits filed by hospital administrators cannot add nor detract from an individual's person-hood and you know that, jennydoe. It doesn't matter if the person is a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, an infant or a toddler... he or she is still a person and you should know that too.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:20 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 10:47 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HTC: The religious right within the GOP is the least of our country's problems at this point.
            bill38: Well said.

            IABD- Do you as a religious far right-wing agitator find divine inspiration from the agnostic mystic comments of HTC?

             
          • bill39 posted at 10:47 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            HTC: The religious right within the GOP is the least of our country's problems at this point.

            Well said.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:36 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            "A SCOTUS ruling on that issue might not go the way the pro-abortionists want and that is precisely what they fear."

            As you fear a SCOTUS ruling which removes your "gGod given right to bear arms?

            The main point I was trying to make via "a: one who stirs up public feeling on controversial issues" was the right wings propensity to lie to the electorate, catering to their emotions, to achieve greater intrusiveness into OUR lives, something which I believe you to abhor?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:32 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Hey Sam, why are these four more important than those involved in the attacks during the Bush years?
            Like the 10 killed at the U.S. Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan - 2002
            or the 2 killed, 9 injured at the U.S. Embassy that was bombed in Uzbekistan - 2004
            or the 8 killed when gunmen stormed the U.S. Consulate in Saudi Arabia - 2004
            or the 1 that lost his life at the U.S. Embassy in Syria - 2006
            or what possibly could have happened when a grenede was launched into the Athens U.S. Embassy -2007 an how the U.S. Embassy fire in Serbia could have been deadly - 2008
            or the 10 killed in Yeman at the U.S. Embassy - 2008

            And please don't forget about the republican congress slashing the budget for embassy security back in 2/2011.

            I hope you or kohana didn't get any vomit on yourselves.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:27 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            who new: Greatest right? Where, in the Constitution, is a fetus referred to as a citizen?

            HTC: I never said it did. Like most issues we face, the Constitution expects us to resolve this issue via the representative process. I was merely making the point that Roe v. Wade sidestepped that process, demonstrating exactly the kind of elitism and abuse of power which Jefferson always feared would come from the judicial branch.

            We open ourselves to great risk when we start allowing 9 people, not elected by nor accountable in any way to the people, to start making decisions such as when a life is subject to the full protections of the Constitution and the law and when it isn't. What's next, a judicial mandate authorizing euthanasia because we can't afford to care for the sickest of our elderly and decided on the basis that, per the precedent in Roe v. Wade, they cannot survive outside the womb any longer without life support; therefore they no longer are 'human'?

            who new: Reb is right about one thing, though, about Republicans being in favor of intrusive government.

            HTC: That is true, but certainly to a far lesser degree than has been the case with Democrats who want to control every aspect of our lives and have made great progress in doing so over the past 80+ years. The religious right within the GOP is the least of our country's problems at this point.

             
          • who new posted at 10:06 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            HTC: “That said, abortion involves TWO lives, not one, and the greatest right of every citizen in a democratic republic such as ours is the right to life.”

            Greatest right? Where, in the Constitution, is a fetus referred to as a citizen?

            Ultimately, though, it really doesn’t matter because polls consistently show the majority of Americans favor abortions despite whatever logic pro-lifers would like to argue. The best the pro-lifers can hope for is further restrictions.

            Reb is right about one thing, though, about Republicans being in favor of intrusive government. The party is rapidly being identified as being philosophically associated with the likes of Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock, and small town newspaper editors desperately pleading for society to bring God back into our lives.

            That intrusiveness will eventually result in the irrelevance of the Republican Party, and will accelerate HTC’s “libertarianism via bankruptcy”. For me, that is a good thing and the sooner it happens, the better.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:57 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Htic, are you such an ignorant sociopath that you can't see the defense for a fetus as a person, until someone calls you on an error you made, than that fetus is just what it is, a fetus?

            We are all forced to pay for things we don't like. BFD. And with your granddaughters on the front line, we will be forced to pay for their sanitary needs.

             
          • WillK posted at 9:56 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            WillK Posts: 66

            I read this blog on a regular basis but normally do not comment on the content. The Hillary display of late was a perfect example of incompetence and arrogance on parade. Her statement regarding the four dead Americans making little difference at this point was ludicrous at best. There sure was and is a "difference" to those that got killed. Claiming ignorance of incoming "cables" due to the large volume is quite deceptive. In any organization such as the military or State Department, duty officers screen and immediately escalate important or critical issues to appropriate levels. Claiming ignorance is claiming incompetence as well as admitting to gross negligence.

            Jobs- Prior to the recent election every politician (regardless of party) claimed that if elected he/she would "create" endless jobs for the American public. You may have noticed that on November 8th this idea became totally silent and has not been heard of since.

            The Presidential election- I was disappointed but not surprised. Our 'Road to Serfdom' is being paved right in front of our eyes and the majority that voted Obama into office cannot understant or do not care, with the exception of their current wants and needs that they demand be furnished by others.

            We will all know for sure in a few years the outcome or results of such "leadership".

            Willk

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:49 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: It's a tragic story, but one that reveals the hypocrisy of those same Catholic hospitals who argued against allowing their employees the right to make reproductive choices for themselves....

            HTC: Are you really such a hopeless numbskull that you can't see the difference between "allowing their employees the right to make reproductive choices for themselves..." and being forced to pay for those choices against your own religious conscience?

            Is that really too nuanced for that little 8-bit processor you call a brain?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:47 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 7:33 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            ag·i·ta·tor noun
            :one that agitates: as
            a : one who stirs up public feeling on controversial issues
            b : a device or an apparatus for stirring or shaking

            IABD- You are correct. It is definition b Come on over and check out my new bBlender. I will show you how to make a wonderful mMooseberry smoothie for bBrunch bBill.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:30 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            So, Reb... you think it ought to be legal to just kill the kids? Now, who are the retarded morons? The people trying to protect the innocent, or those (like yourself) who just don't give a damn?
            -------
            they are only innocent until someone files a lawsuit.....so it is you rm.........

            It's a tragic story, but one that reveals the hypocrisy of those same Catholic hospitals who argued against allowing their employees the right to make reproductive choices for themselves and who pressure and terrorize women at their "pregnancy centers." When it's a woman seeking legal medical assistance for an unwanted pregnancy, it's all about taking her needing to take responsibility and God's will and giving that fetus inside her personhood status. But when it's about medical negligence allowing the death of two potentially viable fetuses, well then, personhood goes right out the window......

            http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/catholic-hospital-argues-fetuses-aren

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            California school district gets high-powered rifles
            January 24, 2013 | AP

            FONTANA, Calif. – The school police force in this Southern California city has acquired 14 high-powered semiautomatic rifles for officers to bring to campuses.

            Fontana Unified School District police purchased 14 of the Colt LE6940 rifles last fall, and they were delivered the first week of December, a week before a gunman killed 26 students and educators at a Connecticut elementary school.

            "I think it just further solidified the need to give our officers the tools they need to respond to an active shooter on campus," schools Police Chief Billy Green said Wednesday about the tragedy.

            "If someone were to come onto one of our school campuses and kill our students ... and they were wearing body armor or were equipped with a rifle, our officers were not properly equipped to respond to the danger," Green said.

            The rifles were purchased to address a "critical vulnerability," although there has never been such an attack at any of the 45 Fontana campuses, the chief said. The 14 officers currently carry handguns, according to police officials.

            The weapons, which cost $1,000 each, are high-powered weapons that are accurate at longer range and can pierce body armor.

            The guns are stored in a fireproof safe at school police headquarters. Officers who have received 40 hours of training in their use can check them out and keep them in locked safes at high school and middle school police offices during school hours before returning them, Green said.

            "They're not walking around telling kids, `Hurry up and get to class' with a gun around their neck," the chief said.

            The guns did not require approval from the school board but member Leticia Garcia said she will ask the board to discuss the issue. There should have been a public discussion before they were purchased, Garcia said.

            "Those rifles have ricocheting ammunition ... they can go right through people," Garcia said. "We're talking about a war-zone rifle, and so are we going to militarize our public schools? We have to provide a safe haven for people to learn ... but this, to me, seems a little bit too much."

            Reaction at schools in Fontana on Wednesday was mixed.

            Lorraine Meeks, the attendance supervisor at Fontana High School, said she was conflicted about the merits of having police officers armed with semiautomatic rifles.

            "It does look pretty intense," she said. "But I know we have to keep up with what's going on all around. Our officers are armed anyways and I feel as long as they have the training I feel really safe."

            Teresa Henriquez enrolled her 16-year-old son at the high school this week and said she was pleased to learn about the addition of semiautomatic rifles, but she said she worries about her son's safety after watching shootings at other schools.

            "It's getting crazy everywhere," Henriquez said. "They are just trying to protect, and if they think that this is the best way to protect then so be it."

            Henriquez's son, James, said he did have concerns about the new policy.

            "I think it's scary for the cops to keep them at school because if a shooting was going on, it would take quite a while to get them," he said. "And what if a student gets it? Then we have another student with a gun walking around."

            The weapons are an uncomfortable but necessary evil, said BarBara L. Chavez, the board's vice president

            "In my world, everything should be peaceful, we shouldn't hate each other," said the mother of five. "However, that's not the world we're living in. We're living in a violent world, crazies are out there constantly. ... We need to be prepared."

            Fontana is a city of 200,000 about 50 miles east of Los Angeles.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:57 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser,

            Since you also mentioned "jobs" in your last post, did you happen to notice that there was absolutely nothing in Obama's recent inaugural speech about the economy and creating more jobs? Everything he talked about essentially came down to preserving the entitlement state; essentially, taking from producers to give to nonproducers.

            One can make a strong case that another fundamental 'right' we all have is the right to work and provide for ourselves and our families. Apparently Obama doesn't see it that way or simply doesn't care. Given the structural problems which the economy now faces, most economists agree that today's high unemployment will be with us for a VERY long time unless major changes are made in our education, tax and regulatory systems, but that apparently isn't part of Obama's plans for the next four years.

            The only thing which seems certain for Obama's second term is that he will do everything he can to ensure that our eventual rendezvous with bankruptcy occurs as soon as possible.

            Does this not concern you?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:48 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013

            Most Americans would probably agree that what you do with your own life and body shouldn't be a matter for the government's concern, provided that the rest of us aren't expected to pay for what should exclusively be YOUR consequences.

            That said, abortion involves TWO lives, not one, and the greatest right of every citizen in a democratic republic such as ours is the right to life. That's why we have such harsh laws against murder. In such a republic, it becomes the right of the citizenry to define when that life in the womb becomes eligible for the same protections guaranteed the rest of the citizenry.

            This means it should be decided by the electorate via their elected representatives and not a bunch of black-robed elites who grossly exceeded their constitutional authority in Roe v. Wade. Many, many constitutional law scholars who support abortion have acknowledged that this decision was one of the worst abuses of judicial power since the Dred Scott decision.

            What the left fears is that resolving this contentious issue via the proper mechanisms outlined in the Constitution would result in an outcome different than that of Roe v. Wade.

            They also fear that extending protection to a fetus killed by anyone other than the mother and her abortionist will eventually lead to the banning of that exception as well. Some states have already made it a crime for someone to harm a fetus such as in a DUI accident or physical assault on the mother. This does raise some interesting "equal protection" issues when 'murder' is OK, but only if the mother kills her child. A SCOTUS ruling on that issue might not go the way the pro-abortionists want and that is precisely what they fear.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 8:23 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            Rebel Rouser posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            So, Reb... you think it ought to be legal to just kill the kids? Now, who are the retarded morons? The people trying to protect the innocent, or those (like yourself) who just don't give a damn?

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:33 am on Thu, Jan 24, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            IABD: Is the United States any different than India?

            ?

            It's a beautiful day posted at 2:19 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            Do you really think you will change him from a man who supports the constitutionin its original form to a man who supports socialism and wreckless spending as you do? A word to describe you is agitator. Unless it would be a weasel.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 6:18 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Just a little reminder to Moosepoop and the rest of you retarded right wing morons, this is the true, and only, type of intrusive governance the fanatical duncervatives focus on. Everything else they spew about "smaller government", "less intrusive government", "more jobs", "lower taxes", etc., etc., is nothing more than the most deceptive, pre-election, lies which can be told!

            What citizens choose to do with their own bodies, is no God Damned business of theirs, or yours!


            Jan 23, 5:19 PM EST

            House endorses plan to criminalize killing fetus

            By MATT GOURAS
            Associated Press

            HELENA, Mont. (AP) -- The House is backing a proposal sought by abortion foes to criminalize the killing of a fetus.

            The measure is steeped in abortion politics even though it exempts legal procedures, like abortion, and miscarriage from prosecution.

            The House endorsed the bill Wednesday in a 60-40 initial vote.

            The measure adds "unborn child" to homicide offenses. Currently, homicide laws cover the death of a human being.

            Supporters argue it is necessary to place value on the fetus if an unborn child is killed during a crime; opponents argue it is full of anti-abortion undertones and opens up a woman's medical records to inspection during criminal trials.

            A similar measure cleared the Legislature two years ago, only to be vetoed by former Gov. Brian Schweitzer.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:19 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, Did Nixon's Vice President Spiro Agnew who also shared a deep resentment of college professors and students against the war in Viet Nam inspire you as well? He once described a group of his opponents as "an effete corps of impudent snobs who characterize themselves as intellectuals." Agnew was chosen to make several powerful speeches in which he spoke out against anti-war protesters and media portrayal of the Vietnam War, labeling them "Un-American"* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew

            Agnew's hate speeches influenced a war against students and professor on campuses. Is the NRA on the same warpath?

            Is the United States any different than India?

            A devastating expose' of
            everything that is
            ugly, beastly and ghastly
            with the
            police in India!

            RIP THE KHAKI
            By
            Dr. Anjali Nirmal http://thelastpolymath.com/khaki.html

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:17 pm on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:36 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            Why is it you never finished your college education to become an actual MD or attain a Doctor's degree in engineering? Did you display a superiority complex with students and professors and quit due to having your ego shattered by the rejection of your peers and intellectual authority? Perhaps evolving to a policeman because the word 'authority' became synonymous during the 60's, and seemed logical to you during the Nixon administration.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:36 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            OK, so now you're expecting us to believe that the reason you don't know the difference between an allegation and actual evidence supporting that allegation is because I'm supposedly a narcissist?

            Seems you've been hanging out with that goof ball IABD and drinking from his cup.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:29 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            This woman is so disgusting it makes a person want to vomit, and she plans on running for president some day?

            Wednesday, January 23

            Hillary on Libya: 'What Difference Does It Make?'

            BY JOHN NOLTE

            After being pressed today by Republican Senator Ron Johnson to explain how it was that over the course of weeks, the Obama Administration stood by an absurd story claiming that four Americans we're murdered in Libya due to a spontaneous protest gone bad, outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton played the indignation card.

            Because she obviously had no answer to justify the ongoing White House deception, Secretary Clinton chose chose theatrics over a straight answer and clarity:

            "With all due respect, the fact is we have four dead Americans. Whether it was because of a protest or because guys outside for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans. What difference at this point does it make?"

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/23/Hillary

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC in a nut shell...a literal nut shell:

            "....When criticized, narcissists show themselves incapable of retaining any (receptivity)...They just don't seem to be able to take criticism, period.... these individuals demonstrate an abnormally developed capacity to criticize others."- L.F.Seltzer,Ph.D

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:34 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            mooseberryinn posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013

            Once a little girl named River of the Valley lived in a great big
            mushroom under a tree trimmed with stars.

            One day she picked some mooseberries, puzzleberries and
            fairyberries.

            She brought them home and put them in the cupboard.

            That night the fruits disappeared! A white ghost took them.

            The white ghost took the berries home. And he made some
            pies.

            He gave the pies to his mom. She put them on the table to cool.

            Then a witch landed, took the pies and rode off on her flying fish.

            The witch put the pies on her windowsill to cool while she went
            to catch frogs.

            Along came the girl from the mushroom house. River of the
            Valley was very smart. Fairyberry? Puzzleberry? Mooseberry?
            How did my berries get in these pies?

            She took the pies and put them in the cupboard.
            Then River of the Valley lay down to take a nap.

            And along came a white ghost....!

            The End.

            http://wxxi.org/education/k12/writers/2002/1st1/page12.html

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            IABD - The 1st amendment is alive and well. You? not so sure.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:20 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            AP: Recession, Technology Kill Off Middleclass Jobs:

            http://www.manufacturing.net/news/2013/01/ap-recession-tech-kill-middle-class-jobs?et_cid=3054667&et_rid=54694580&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.manufacturing.net%2fnews%2f2013%2f01%2fap-recession-tech-kill-middle-class-jobs

            or:

            http://tinyurl.com/a5x4aht

            A slow economy, coupled with our massive tax and regulatory burden on business, have forced companies to embrace technology at a record pace. Sadly, ObamaCare will only further pressure companies to replace more workers with technology since machines don't require expensive health insurance.

            The only thing puzzling in all of this is why the progressives can't/won't embrace these inescapable facts and start thinking like rational adults where governance is concerned.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:51 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:12 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013

            Mr. H, "As an agnostic well-trained in the sciences, I do not believe in creationism but I do find it interesting that most 'professional' educators object to exposing students to it, even when presented within the context of various religious beliefs which have evolved in an attempt to explain the origin of life on earth before science came along."

            IABD- How does such a militant agnostic narcissistic pseudoscientist who suffers from a Type B personality disorder interpret the discovery of the Higgs Boson God Particle? Do you reinforce your agnosticism relative to the Milky Way losing it's mass as a revelation God has just left the building and you and the NRA are now taking charge?

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:31 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1057

            HTC: The speech was largely a train of platitudes and progressive double-speak such as this one:

            "We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future."

            Translation: We must not make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But, we do NOT reject the belief that government must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:30 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Quadruple Helix DNA Proven to Exist in Human Cells

            http://www.scientificcomputing.com/news-IN-Four-stranded-Quadruple-Helix-DNA-Structure-Proven-to-Exist-in-Human-Cells-012113.aspx?et_cid=3054770&et_rid=467291283&linkid=http%3a%2f%2fwww.scientificcomputing.com%2fnews-IN-Four-stranded-Quadruple-Helix-DNA-Structure-Proven-to-Exist-in-Human-Cells-012113.aspx

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:12 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's a beautiful day posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            As an agnostic well-trained in the sciences, I do not believe in creationism but I do find it interesting that most 'professional' educators object to exposing students to it, even when presented within the context of various religious beliefs which have evolved in an attempt to explain the origin of life on earth before science came along.

            One would think that a well-rounded 'liberal' arts education would expose the student to a very DIVERSE array of cultural and religious systems which have evolved with man; however, most such educators display a paranoid, almost tin-foil-hat type of response to the mere suggestion of exposing students to such things, at least when Christianity is included in the mix. But they'll gladly teach them about Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.

            Apparently they value racial diversity (in spite of race being a scientifically discredited concept) but not diversity of thought and opinion.

            The rest of that article merely displays the author's own ignorance of the scientific method, for most scientific knowledge gained by indirect observation has been verified mathematically, unlike macro evolution. Furthermore, unless empirically verified, the scientific method prevents us from claiming something as scientific 'fact' or 'law', permanently relegating such knowledge to the category of 'theory' or even just 'postulation.'

            But that hasn't stopped evolutionists from presenting it in the classroom as though it was scientific fact. They did that when I attended college and they're still doing it today.

            Evolutionists still have one BIG hurdle to overcome and that is explaining how life itself originated. Microbiologists have uncovered such incredible complexity in the simplest cells that mathematical probability calculations show the odds against life inventing itself is simply astronomical. This has sent many hardcore atheist microbiologists scrambling to try to come up with a long and complex sequence of chemical reactions which would virtually guarantee that life had to arise from the chemical soup.

            But don't hold your breath waiting for that announcement as microbiology is still uncovering more mysteries of simple cellular life, even as these atheists struggle to explain what we already know.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:32 am on Wed, Jan 23, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 4:36 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            More allegations and, this time, from a problematic organization with deep vested interests in the area.

            How about some real evidence such as quotes from actual textbook pages which would substantiate these allegations?

            There's a reason why these vested interests only make allegations and don't substantiate them with actual references from the textbooks in use; which, as education 'professionals', they should know that all :HONEST academics always include. That reason is because their claims aren't supported by the facts.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            ""I tremble for my nation, when I reflect that God is Just"
            Thomas Jefferson"


            I tremble for my nation, when I reflect that God is Just a big fat lie!

            Reb, The Magnificent, Princier than thou, of all humankind, and Lordiest of all!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            mooseberryinn posted at 4:42 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            "IABD - 1619/ 01/22 - Ease up on the MM"

            IABD- To discuss the republican stance on science vs. creationism debate somehow violates the 1st amendment?
            Is the Mooseberryinn getting special government funding posing as a homeschool for the scientifically challenged?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 4:42 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            Hey Pete - 1110, Tuesday - Well done. that was funny. keep up the good work.
            IABD - 1619/ 01/22 - Ease up on the MM.

             
          • Bronco posted at 4:36 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC,

            http://www.nea.org/home/39060.htm

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:19 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Senator Mike Walsworth-R, starts his 17th year in the Louisiana State Legislature as the 2012-2016 term begins. The creationist Senator debates over whether to repeal Louisiana's creationism law.

            Monday morning levity: Louisiana senator asks science teacher if E. coli evolves into persons

            http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/the-curious-wavefunction/2013/01/21/monday-morning-levity-louisiana-senator-asks-if-e-coli-evolve-into-persons/

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hQObhb3veQA#t=17s

            It’s a painfully familiar scene. A Louisiana state senator (Mike Walsworth) is asking a high-school science teacher about the teaching of evolution in class. He asks if there’s any direct example of evolution that can be taught in class. In response the science teacher settles on one of the most elegant and convincing experiments in evolutionary biology – Richard Lenski’s decades-long study in which he froze selected generations of E. coli bacteria while allowing others to evolve. The differences between the evolved and original bacterial populations clearly demonstrated evolution.

            At that point the good senator asks if the E. coli evolved into a person.

            The senator’s quip might be regarded as a particularly startling admission of ignorance – not to mention anthropomorphism – if it weren’t one of the oldest ploys in the creationist playbook. The march of evolutionary science has left creationists very few places to hide, but one of the most common, apparently killer questions they have lobbed from these nooks is to question the difference between “microevolution” and “macroevolution”. Microevolution in which mutations in amino acids lead to gain or loss of functions is all well and good they say (well, not all of them), but presumably there’s still no evidence of macroevolution. The skeptics refuse to be convinced unless, as the senator helpfully points out, they see an example of a bacterium directly transforming into a human being.

            Until now those of us who have even the most basic understanding of science have pointed out that such a transformation would be impossible if standard evolutionary theory is well understood since it completely ignores the non-linear, branched nature of the evolutionary tree and the role of contingency in evolution, not to mention the completely solipsistic belief that man must be the pinnacle of every creature’s aspirations.

            But what we should be really pointing out is how fundamentally this accusation questions not just evolution but the basic scientific method. In questioning macroevolution, the creationists are essentially questioning the whole premise of scientific understanding based on indirect evidence, a philosophy most starkly pioneered by Galileo. Most of science including atoms, the Big Bang, black holes, biochemistry and the understanding of disease, lasers and computers is derived not from direct observation of things we can all see but from indirect but foolproof evidence gained through an exceedingly accurate array of instrumental techniques and conjecturing.

            So if you are really denying “macroevolution”, you should be questioning the validity of pretty much all of science. Next time a creationist denies macroevolution, we should not be hard pressed to point out that he or she is effectively denying the existence of the material universe.
            By Ashutosh Jogalekar | January 21, 2013

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:16 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 12:20 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            I see you still haven't learned the difference between "allegation" and "evidence." Nor have you yet wised up to the fact that you should be suspicious when you only find allegations such as these in the liberal blogoshpere, as there are plenty of big names in the MSM who would have been all over the story, IF there had been anything to it.

            The report from the Texas Freedom Network Education Fund does not allege, let alone prove, your original assertion that these courses taught that blacks and Jews are inferior. It does document the absence of fidelity to legislated requirements for the courses, but nothing more.

            Your original article also failed to mention that these courses are elective, creating the appearance that they are mandatory.

            If you keep digging in the progressive garbage heap, all you'll find is garbage.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:24 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Scientists seek woman to give birth to Neanderthal child
            01/22/2013

            http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/22-01-2013/123546-neanderthal_child-0/

            A Harvard scientist has started searching for the woman, who would agree to give birth to a Neanderthal child. The woman will be used to test the abilities of modern science to clone a caveman.

            American geneticist George Church shared his thoughts of the unusual project with Germany's Der Spiegel. He said that he was almost ready to clone a Neanderthal, but he needed a woman for the project, who could bear and deliver the unusual baby.

            The woman will receive an embryo with the Neanderthal DNA, placed in stem cells. George Church warned that child labor would be significantly different from what women usually experience. The birth canals of Neanderthal mothers were significantly wider than those of modern women, so their babies did not have to turn to get in the canals. In addition, the head of the Neanderthal baby is expected to be larger than that of normal children.

            The professor is one of the authors of the project to decipher the human genome. He is sure that as long as modern science can clone a mammal, then one should try and clone a human or his next of kin.

            Sexologist Yuri Levchenko commented the Harvard ​​Professor's idea to Pravda.Ru:

            "Let's experiment. If it works out - ok, if it doesn't - let it be disgusting. This is disgusting. There are psychological issues here. During the Neanderthals era, our left hemisphere was very weak, and our right hemisphere is older in the evolutionary process. As you can imagine, an unknown creature can be born," said the expert.

            "We may see the creature - I do not even want to call it a human being - that will have a poorly developed left part of the brain. It will understand that it was born in this society, to this mother.

            If medics find abnormalities in the fetus of a woman, they recommend her to terminate the pregnancy. What is the point to give birth to an unknown creature deliberately? For what? This is an experiment beyond good and evil. We are going to create a monster deliberately. The left hemisphere is responsible for the speech center, consciousness," said Levchenko.

            "And what do we achieve with this? This is not a scientific experiment at all. You can not experiment with the things that you can not experiment with," said the doctor.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:38 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HRH Prince Michael posted at 11:13 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            If you are truly are the light of man, do you cast any shadow? We stand frozen like deer loaded on valium in your path with the high beams on. Should we get out of your way or is resistance futile?

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:20 pm on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: Virtually every hit piece I've seen on Texas' supposed devolution of their educational system has proven to be rubbish once investigated.
            -------------------------------------

            http://www.scribd.com/doc/120671388/Reading-Writing-Religion-II-Texas-Public-School-Bible-Courses-in-2011-12

            http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/01/report-shows-bible-courses-in-texas-public-schools-are-biased-lack-strong-curriculum-standards.html/

             
          • Pete posted at 11:13 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            laker1 posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            You're one confused pup.

             
          • HRH Prince Michael posted at 11:13 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            HRH Prince Michael Posts: 105

            After I read this Sunday Morning, only three-words came to mind:
            Succinct. Concise. Brilliant.
            Once again congratulations, on -yet another- MUST read for all Americans.

            "...America, is no longer a Christian nation...."
            The Pharaoh of The "United" States
            "Man will ultimately governed by Tyrants of by God"
            Benjamin Franklin
            "I tremble for my nation, when I reflect that God is Just"
            Thomas Jefferson
            "Pharaoh, Feds, and other Fascists shall fall"
            HRH Prince Michael of The House of David
            "By your words you shall be justified and by your words you shall be condemned"
            The Most Blessed Christ King Yeshua

            The House of David 2 Chronicles 13 Victory, is HERE:
            http://www.all4webs.com/x/w/all4yahweh
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/72265268@N08

             
          • Pete posted at 11:10 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            mooseberryinn posted at 9:15 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            Hey Moose...Why do you need to use words like that? Or use so many? Those words were only meant to hurt someones feelings and that was obviously not the original intent of our founders when they drafted the 1st Amendment. I hearby restrict you to the use of 7 primary words before you have to hit the refresh button and start again. The words are: "Obama", "Savior", "Love", "Hope", "Collective", "STATE" (always capitalize), "The", and sometimes "I" (If you submit the proper application and pass the STATE administered phsyc analysis). I realize this may limit your ability to defend your belief system, but too bad....if we save the feelings of at least one Hawaiian it will be worth it.

            This should go without saying, but you are STRICTLY forbidden to use words such as: "Debt", "2nd Amendment", "Rights", "Hypocrisy", "Individualism", "Morality", "Cold", etc. These words are deemed too penetrating and could be used to harm the Collective. However, I will be granting waivers for certain words based on a minimal processing fee...I will let you know where you can send the check. (I am in the process of setting up a non-profit for this purpose) Of course the phraseology must still reflect your love of STATE. There are also restrictions on pictures (I would refer you to our propaganda minister in Libby for those guidelines) so don't go all Egyptian on me and use hieroglyphics. BTW...smilie faces, thumbs up, etc. are also a no-no.

            There are numerous reasons why these restrictions are good for the collective, which in turn is good for you, and I will provide you some quick examples. 1. You will get more exercise by not sitting in front of the computer...that will help the national healthcare budget. 2. You will use less power and stop the progress of global warming. 3. Because you're nice others will automatically be nice - just because. 4. Our great leader Obama will feel better about himself and be able to lower the unemployment rate even farther than he already hasn't because he feels good about himself. (What? Doesn't make sense? Shut up...I make the rules here.) 5. Iran will see we are a country of nice people and might even sell us some of their nuclear energy. 6. Terrorism will end. 7. Solar power will actually become cost effective. 8. Crime will go down in Chicago. 9. The Cubs will win the World Series. 10. Obama will give you a free cell phone.

            I know this sounds Utopian, but it just takes each of us giving up a little of our rights and all will be right with the world. Do it for the collective Moose. Do it for Michelle. Do it for Barack. Do it for the Earth.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:57 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 9:50 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            Still rumagging around in the progressive trash pile, I see.

            Notice that there's no links to supporting documentation in that blog? Virtually every hit piece I've seen on Texas' supposed devolution of their educational system has proven to be rubbish once investigated.

            But you're not much on research, are you?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:53 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            laker1 posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013

            The serious student of our Constitution and our founding principles relies not just upon the founding documents for guidance but also upon other works meant to further clarify their meaning, such as the Federalist Papers. When one widens their horizon to include those other contemporary works, it becomes clear that national defense was seen as the duty of the new federal government and Article 1, Section 10 even prevents the states from attempting to perform this necessary function on their own.

            Furthermore, the power to tax exists only as far as those taxes are used to fund the legitimate exercise of federal authority under the Constitution. This, the power to tax for national defense is beyond question while the power to tax for the unconstitutional purpose of redistribution of wealth is not supported by the Constitution. The clear meaning of the words "promote the general welfare" is also found in the Federalist Papers and it does NOT mean "provide" for the general welfare as is argued by some today.

            "A fool sees not the same tree that a wise man sees." -- William Blake

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:30 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-21/world-s-cheapest-oil-crimps-alberta-budget-with-price-gap.html

            The Gov of Nebraska just approved of a new route for the TransCanada Pipeline that skirts the sand dunes . Cool!

            Of course, Montana gasoline would no longer be 35 cents a gallon cheaper than the national average, as the boxed in crude oil would find access to world markets.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            mooseberryinn: Now here is a good one - Chris Matthews (MSNBC) - calls Chairman Obumov's speech - "The Gettysberg address of our time" - Now that is funny!

            HTC: Mr. Thrill-up-my-Leg is a comical character indeed.

            Obama's second inaugural speech makes clear that he has fully embraced the destructive path of progressivism and that the GOP must do everything they can to resist his efforts to transform this country into the antithesis of its founding principles and founding documents.

            The speech was largely a train of platitudes and progressive double-speak such as this one:

            "We, the people, still believe that every citizen deserves a basic measure of security and dignity. We must make the hard choices to reduce the cost of health care and the size of our deficit. But we reject the belief that America must choose between caring for the generation that built this country and investing in the generation that will build its future."

            Of course, anyone reasonably skilled in economics can immediately spot the glaring contradictions in that statement. But Obama is only skilled at one thing: deception.

            It is precisely because of government entitlement programs such as Medicare and Medicaid that healthcare costs have long risen much faster than the rate of inflation as had historically been the case until Medicare's enactment. ObamaCare will only further increase that upward pricing pressure in spite of its ridiculous claims to the the contrary.

            It is government entitlements which now account for nearly 70% of federal spending and which will grow to over 90% by the end of the decade which now drag us to the brink of the real fiscal cliff which will decimate our economy and our children's futures.

            No, Mr. Obama and his party have consistently shown that they are NOT willing to make the "hard choices" because to do so would mean the dismantling of their nanny state and, along with it, the Democratic Party which has built its base via the vote-buying which the nanny state enabled.

            Yesterday, Obama made it perfectly clear that he's put the pedal to the metal in his Marxist pursuits and will do everything he can to hasten our rendezvous with the real fiscal cliff.

            Let us hope that the resulting economic train wreck does indeed produce "libertarianism via bankruptcy."

             
          • laker1 posted at 10:08 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 112

            One of the reasons for providing links or references to court decisions is to allow those who are not familiar with the issues to learn about them. For example, if one actually reads the decisions in the cases concerning objections to the uses of tax money or, having read them, has attempted to understand them, one sees that the constitutional power in question is “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, . . .”. It is not the power to “. . . provide for the common Defence. . .”

            As to the claim that the grant of a power in the Constitution means there is a duty to exercise the power, e.g. Congress must provide for the common defense, the same claim could be made for any power granted in Section 8 of Article I. For example, Congress would be required to borrow money even if there were no need to do so. Me, I think the founders knew the difference between a power and a duty but I am just guessing.

            Proverbs 17:28

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:50 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Hey, mooseberryinn, here's some of your republican hopes and dreams becoming reality...in Texas.

            http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/01/21/texas-schools-teach-blacks-jews-ineferior/

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:39 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            [Meeting the Red Queen]
            The Mad Hatter: You have a regrettably large head! I would very much like to hat it!

            The Red Queen: [the Mad Hatter is brought into The Red Queen's court] Where is Alice?
            The Mad Hatter: I've been considering words that start with the letter M. Moron. Mutiny. Murder. Mmm-malice.
            The Red Queen: Well, we're looking for an A word right now. Where is Alice?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:15 am on Tue, Jan 22, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            Ah bronco - I merely comment to "kick the anthill" as it were. His majesty, the Marxist Meadow-Muffin, Cow-pie chairman Obumov provides ample subject matter for ridicule. Very sad, but still suitable for the demo-dummies. Now here is a good one - Chris Matthews (MSNBC) - calls Chairman Obumov's speech - "The Gettysberg address of our time" - Now that is funny! The boss of CBS news (used to be a part of the "main stream Media") - Says King Obumov must destroy the GOP. Any of you demo-dummies see that as maybe slightly - not objective? As so,...the entertainment continues on. Emperor Obama gleefully celebrates the fall of America.

             
          • Tillie posted at 10:58 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            If you're getting your "lessons from history" from cub reporter Frank Miele, you are not getting much. What books has he written on any subject? None. Just a dozen inches every Sunday where he summarizes the current opinion from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. Even Republicans don't want teebagger nutjobs around anymore.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:36 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Fast posted at 8:30 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            I can see from your previous posts you are a former marine son, and I presume fast and furious. Mine are fully loaded, Could you quickly give me a hand?

             
          • Fast posted at 8:30 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Fast Posts: 248

            Hey go change your diapers.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:34 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            mooseberryinn posted at 5:42 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            What HTC and Ted Nugent are not telling you Mooseberry is in regards to the top secret testing at the National Rifle Association (NRA) Whittington Center near Raton, New Mexico. With the aid of HAARP EM primary waves along with secondary devices to exploit ELF/VLF radiowaves, detection and imaging of underground bunkers and weapons will be easily found. You can't hide your gold, silver or firearms Mooseberry.
            I will trade my many guns to sit in the sweatlodge smoking a clay medicine peace pipe while eating dog meat and berry soup.
            .

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:34 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            mooseberryinn, why don't you use your imagination to solve problems instead of creating them? Contributions welcome...

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:02 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIGrFHy463g&list=PL96C68393C051B38C

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:42 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            awrighty now, the Coronation of King Obama is done and we start another four years of destruction, 'transformation", inflation, economic ruin, high unemployment, crippling gas prices... well you know, same as the last 4 years. too bad. Hey, maybe old Buffoon Joe will take up target shooting!
            Cordwood - "Comrade" typically (or at least used to be typical) used in West Berlin in the 70s for the slimy GDR characters who kept trying to steal anything "western". also used stereo-typically to refer to the brainless Stalin- like followers of the party. The Marxist-moron Obama fits the category.
            Bronco - when Jesus returns, I'm pretty sure you won't even be noticed.
            Y'all have a nice day. again - hide your money and your guns.

             
          • Bronco posted at 4:28 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: Secondly, the courts have traditionally recognized long-existing religions and religious beliefs as 'legitimate' versus new 'religions' which arise opportunistically. For example, there were a few new 'religions' which emerged after SCOTUS ruled that certain Native American tribes had a religious right to peyote and these 'religions' claimed that other drugs were an essential part of their religious practices. Because they had no history and only came into existence after the court's ruling, they were not recognized by the court.
            ----------------------------
            So if Jesus came back again, and began another religion, one that forbid killing, we would still have to 'render to Caesar '?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:01 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: I'm curious. Can conscientious objectors opt out of their 40% tax-share of supporting the armed forces?

            laker1: So far as I can tell, the Supreme Court has routinely denied petitions for writs of certiorari to review decisions of the circuit courts in this area. While the Extremes could take the issue on, I doubt they will. If they were to do so, their decision would lead to the immediate creation of a religion which holds that its members should not pay any taxes for any purpose.

            HTC: There are a couple of things worth noting here.

            The first is that the Constitution gives the federal government the clear authority, even 'duty' to provide for the nation's defense, whereas it gives it no power to force something like ObamaCare on us, regardless of what the convoluted and perverse opinion of John Roberts might say on the matter.

            Secondly, the courts have traditionally recognized long-existing religions and religious beliefs as 'legitimate' versus new 'religions' which arise opportunistically. For example, there were a few new 'religions' which emerged after SCOTUS ruled that certain Native American tribes had a religious right to peyote and these 'religions' claimed that other drugs were an essential part of their religious practices. Because they had no history and only came into existence after the court's ruling, they were not recognized by the court.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:39 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 1:22 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013

            "For gGod's sake, man. I asked Moose a simple question concerning his post, and I get thrown into a wormhole and flung straight into a Giant Gas Planet. To much gravity!"

            "Support wanes for conscript system in Europe ... Austrians vote on army conscription this weekend, an issue on which voters in Switzerland might also be polled this year. In the post-Cold War era various European countries have grappled with the topic, each in their own way. Seventeen countries in Europe have abolished or suspended conscription in the 21st century."

            IABD- Sheer genius Rob! If all armies in the world were made up of volunteers instead of conscription, we could send them all into a wormhole to the far side of the universe where Romney's planet Kolob was, there could finally be world peace. :)

             
          • laker1 posted at 2:05 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 112

            Bronco posted: “I'm curious. Can conscientious objectors opt out of their 40% tax-share of supporting the armed forces?”

            The short answer is “No”. A longer answer can be found at Adams v. Commissioner, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-3rd-circuit/1441988.html. As far as religious objections to abortion, the same result, with a long answer at Goehring v. Brophy, http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1120776.html . Though the RFRA was held to be unconstitutional, City of Boerne v. Flores, 521 U.S. 507 (1997), the analysis under the First Amendment is pretty much the same. Autenrieth v. Cullen, 418 F. 2d 586 (1969)

            So far as I can tell, the Supreme Court has routinely denied petitions for writs of certiorari to review decisions of the circuit courts in this area. While the Extremes could take the issue on, I doubt they will. If they were to do so, their decision would lead to the immediate creation of a religion which holds that its members should not pay any taxes for any purpose.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:55 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: Would The Left Accept The Philosophy of Dr. King Today?

            HTC: Considering that most of them can't even accurately describe his philosophy, I'd have respond with a resounding "No!"

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:22 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            For gGod's sake, man. I asked Moose a simple question concerning his post, and I get thrown into a wormhole and flung straight into a Giant Gas Planet. To much gravity!

            Elites Now Building Professional European Army
            By Staff Report
            News & Analysis
            MONDAY, JANUARY 21, 2013

            Support wanes for conscript system in Europe ... Austrians vote on army conscription this weekend, an issue on which voters in Switzerland might also be polled this year. In the post-Cold War era various European countries have grappled with the topic, each in their own way. Seventeen countries in Europe have abolished or suspended conscription in the 21st century. Only six European Union member states still maintain the principle of mandatory military service and nearly two-thirds of the total 43 states with armed forces have a professional army. Just what has led to the gradual scrapping of conscription over the past two decades and is there a pattern? ... In Switzerland a proposal by a pacifist group to end conscription is pending. Parliament began discussions on the Switzerland Without an Army initiative last December, to be continued in the Senate before cabinet sets a date for a nationwide ballot. – SwissInfo

            Dominant Social Theme: Let's get rid of conscription. It's slavery.

            Free-Market Analysis: Across Europe we learn conscription is a dead letter as 17 European countries have "abolished or suspended" it. Now Switzerland is considering it (once again), too.

            The standard libertarian approach to conscription is that it is a kind of state-mandated slavery. But as with many libertarian observations, practice does not always advance the cause of freedom.

            Certainly getting rid of conscription is admirable and an advance for civil society. But in its place, the power elite has continually substituted standing (national) armies. Thus, a citizen army is turned into a professional one.

            The pan-European army has a name, of course. It is, in part, called "NATO." But how responsive it is to the taxpayers funding it is most questionable. Citizen input into NATO seems minimal and NATO – and the United Nations – rarely justify military actions beyond the most formal of platitudes.

            It is certainly feasible to suggest that these "voluntary" standing forces are serving interests other than those of the country they purport to support. A dominant social theme pro-offered by the power elite would be that the all-voluntary army is more efficient and less controversial. A subdominant theme would be that they fulfill a democratic mandate more thoroughly than a conscription army. In truth, they are likely being turned into a global – and globalist – fighting force.

            The great Milton Friedman was famous for suggesting libertarian solutions that did not fully advance the causes he wished to promote. He suggested a "steady-state" Federal Reserve, for instance, in lieu of removing it altogether. And Friedman came up with the idea of US "income-tax withholding" in the 1940s.

            The problem with getting rid of conscription is that it has done nothing to reduce the availability of state force. With a conscripted army, political and military leaders have to be careful; they are risking the lives of their citizens in taking certain actions. With an all-volunteer army, such care is apparently not nearly so necessary. After all, those in an all-volunteer army understood their lives were to be at risk when they joined.

            And now Switzerland may be added to the list of countries that has scrapped mandatory military service. Here's more from the article:

            It will be the third time in less than 25 years that [Swiss] anti-conscription initiatives by the group have been put to voters. In 1989 the group won a surprising 35.6 percent in favour of what was a taboo-breaking proposal. Support for a similar plan – the scrapping of the forces and the creation of a voluntary peace corps – dropped to 21.9 per cent in a 2001 vote. Last year the pacifist group, backed by centre-left parties, handed in the necessary signatures for their initiative aimed at scrapping conscription ...

            Able-bodied male citizens are liable for military service at age 19. Military service for women is voluntary. Men and women are discharged at 30 or when they complete military service. In some cases, different regulations apply for non-commissioned officers (NCOs), senior NCOs and officers. An alternative service in Switzerland was only introduced in 1996 as a result of a constitutional amendment, following years of debate ...

            We think Swiss conscription has something to recommend it within the given parameters of modern power elite strategies. After all, if the Swiss moved to an all-volunteer army, what's to stop the elites from beginning to influence Swiss military policy?

            Switzerland is a small, "independent" republic and while it does not work especially well, it surely works better than "Europe." So this is one time (among others) where practicality trumps theory. Conscription is surely a kind of slavery but having a volunteer army co-opted by a secretive and unresponsive elite is a worse fate to contemplate.

            We can certainly see "professionalism" at work as regards the US military – and it is not a pretty sight. It took years for US officials to get out of Vietnam, but not nearly so long as the current round of (mostly) Middle Eastern wars that are still ongoing. The war in Afghanistan has stretched well beyond a decade and the elites running the US via mercantilism have used the all-volunteer army to surreptitiously ignite wars throughout the region in the meantime.

            The all "voluntary" army seems to be serving other interests than "US" ones. There has never been an open forum to confront the Pentagon or various US Intel agencies about the so-called "war on terror" and who benefits from it and why it is prosecuted in the first place.

            Conclusion: There should be.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:28 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 11:37 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            kohana- "Every morning when I take my 5 a.m. walk, I clamp on my headphones and listen to a podcast of Mark Levin’s radio show. He’s the only man who properly articulates Seraphic Secret’s frustration and rage at this Obamaland to which we are subject."

            IABD- Blessed are the deaf. Have you ever thought of taking off your headphones while walking?

            The amplified voice in the moment of public address fundamentally changed
            the nature of ‘the voice of authority.’ Hitler, in a 1937 German Radio Manual, said
            ‘without the loudspeaker we couldn’t have conquered Germany.’*

            * http://www.princeton.edu/~artspol/workpap/WP41-Cluett.pdf

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:11 pm on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Russian Teenager Designs Noiseless Electric Rifle
            03.03.2010
            http://english.pravda.ru/science/tech/03-03-2010/112458-russian_teenager-0/

            Russia’s Defense Ministry has shown interest in the new electomechanical rifle the performance of which exceeds that of sniper weapons. The rifle was invented by a schoolboy in the city of Ufa.

            Maxim Kotelnikov, an eighth-grader, designed his weapon after he had seen a TV program about the use of similar rifles in the USA and Korea. It took the boy a year to design the new weapon. He used his friend’s broken game rifle as the basis.

            The rifle weighs nearly six kilos; it fires special cartridges that need to be magnetized in advance.

            Russia’s Defense Ministry showed interest in the new weapon and asked the boy’s permission to test his rifle.

            “This weapon is unique for it fires noiselessly. There is no shock of discharge and a shot does not produce a flare. No other sniper rifle can do it. I designed my own system, which I called the “Nucleus System,” the boy said.

            The rifle is based on the principle of accelerating coil. The rifle is powered with electricity only. A bullet gathers speed immediately, PolitOnline reports with referecne to Life.ru.

            Maxim showed his creation to his teacher of physics. The teacher sent the wunderkind to St. Petersburg, where the boy took part in “Russia’s Young Intellectuals” forum.

            The 15-year-old boy took the first place at the forum and received a special invitation for practice at the defense ministry. All further tests of Maxim’s weapon will be conducted under the guidance of ministerial scientists.

            The boy will assemble three other rifles in St. Petersburg during one month. If the tests are successful, it is not ruled out that the electromagnetic sniper rifle will be launched into serial production for the needs of the Russian armed forces.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:37 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            http://www.seraphicpress.com/inaugural-message-from-mark-levin/#more-14834

            By Robert J. Avrech | January 21, 2013

            Inaugural Message From Mark Levin

            Every morning when I take my 5 a.m. walk, I clamp on my headphones and listen to a podcast of Mark Levin’s radio show. He’s the only man who properly articulates Seraphic Secret’s frustration and rage at this Obamaland to which we are subject. Obamaland, argues Levin, is well on its way to becoming a post-constitutional country ruled by crypto-Marxists and race-hustling opportunists.

            Levin does not spare his own party withering criticism. The Constitutional scholar and best-selling author has only contempt for the current Republican leadership and its apparatus. He calls for a new Conservative alignment with fresh new Republican leaders.
            Mark Levin doe not minimize the multiple dangers to this republic. Nor does he shrink from warning of the rise of a new American tyranny. But he does offer remedies, which begin with a resolution to fight for liberty.

            “I don’t think Obama knows exactly what he’s going to go for in his second term,” Levin said, “as he will look for opportunities to exploit as events unfold. That said, I am sure they’ve drawn up a partial a list, and we already know that it includes, but is not limited to, gun control; attacks on the First Amendment such as religious liberty; amnesty for illegal aliens; union expansion; institutionalizing Obamacare; institutionalizing voter corruption; de-industrialization via the EPA; destroying the capitalist-based economy via tax increases, smothering regulations, massive deficit spending, and endless borrowing; and hollowing out our military; etc.

            This will effect all of us. It will do extreme damage to the nation in many respects. I think Obama sees himself as correcting historic wrongs in this country, as delivering the fruits of the labor of other people to people who he believes have historically been put upon. I think there’s a lot of perverse thinking that goes on in his mind, radical left-wing thinking.

            He was indoctrinated with Marx and Alinksy propaganda. You not only see it in his agenda but in his words — class warfare; degrading successful people unless, of course, they help finance his elections, causes, and organizations; pretending to speak for the so-called middle class when, in fact, he is destroying their jobs, savings, and future. Obama’s war on our society is intended to be an onslaught in which the system is overwhelmed.”

            Read Ben Shapiro’s full story at Breitbart.com.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:34 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.
            HTC-"Or have you also decided to blur the boundaries between war and criminal activities?"

            IABD, Did you have an early prototype of the LRAD crowd control device at your disposal at San Francisco peace rallies? Please speak quietly within the Ear of Dionysus.

            LRAD or (long range acoustic devices) were used for crowd control at the 2009 G20 Summit in
            Pittsburgh. Air-occupation of projected sound can not only dissolve the traditional boundaries of property ownership but also influence the mind. NRA's Ted Nugent became deaf and insane.

            http://www.lradx.com/site/content/view/2111

            Robocops Employ Scary Crowd-Stopping Technology at Pittsburgh Protests

            By Mike Ferner,

            September 28, 2009.

            An arsenal of “crowd control munitions,” was deployed with a massive, overpowering police presence in Pittsburgh during last week’s G-20 protests.

            No longer the stuff of disturbing futuristic fantasies, an arsenal of “crowd control munitions,” including one that reportedly made its debut in the U.S., was deployed with a massive, overpowering police presence in Pittsburgh during last week’s G-20 protests.

            Nearly 200 arrests were made and civil liberties groups charged the many thousands of police (most transported on Port Authority buses displaying “PITTSBURGH WELCOMES THE WORLD”), from as far away as Arizona and Florida with overreactingand they had plenty of weaponry with which to do it.

            Bean bags fired from shotguns, CS (tear) gas, OC (Oleoresin Capsicum) spray, flash-bang grenades, batons and, according to local news reports, for the first time on the streets of America, the Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD).

            Mounted in the turret of an Armored Personnel Carrier (APC), I saw the LRAD in action twice in the area of 25th, Penn and Liberty Streets of Lawrenceville, an old Pittsburgh neighborhood. Blasting a shrill, piercing noise like a high-pitched police siren on steroids, it quickly swept streets and sidewalks of pedestrians, merchants and journalists and drove residents into their homes, but in neither case were any demonstrators present. The APC, oversized and sinister for a city street, together with lines of police in full riot gear looking like darkly threatening Michelin Men, made for a scene out of a movie you didn’t want to be in.

            As intimidating as this massive show of armed force and technology was, the good burghers of Pittsburgh and their fellow citizens in the Land of the Brave and Home of the Free ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Tear gas and pepper spray are nothing to sniff at and, indeed, have proven fatal a surprising number of times, but they have now become the old standbys compared to the list below that’s already at or coming soon to a police station or National Guard headquarters near you. Proving that “what goes around, comes around,” some of the new Property Protection Devices were developed by a network of federally-funded, university-based research institutes like one in Pittsburgh itself, Penn State’s Institute for Non-Lethal Defense Technologies.

            Raytheon Corp.’s Active Denial System, designed for crowd control in combat zones, uses an energy beam to induce an intolerable heating sensation, like a hot iron placed on the skin. It is effective beyond the range of small arms, in excess of 400 meters. Company officials have been advised they could expand the market by selling a smaller, tripod-mounted version for police forces.

            M5 Modular Crowd Control Munition, with a range of 30 meters “is similar in operation to a claymore mine, but it delivers…a strong, nonpenetrating blow to the body with multiple sub-munitions (600 rubber balls).”

            Long Range Acoustic Device or “The Scream,” is a powerful megaphone the size of a satellite dish that can emit sound “50 times greater than the human threshold for pain” at close range, causing permanent hearing damage. The L.A. Times wrote U.S. Marines in Iraq used it in 2004. It can deliver recorded warnings in Arabic and, on command, emit a piercing tone…”[For] most people, even if they plug their ears, [the device] will produce the equivalent of an instant migraine,” says Woody Norris, chairman of American Technology Corp., the San Diego firm that produces the weapon. “It will knock [some people] on their knees.” CBS News reported in 2005 that the Israeli Army first used the device in the field to break up a protest against Israel’s separation wall. “Protesters covered their ears and grabbed their heads, overcome by dizziness and nausea, after the vehicle-mounted device began sending out bursts of audible, but not loud, sound at intervals of about 10 seconds…A military official said the device emits a special frequency that targets the inner ear.”

            In “Non-lethal Technologies: An Overview,” Lewer and Davison describe a lengthy catalog of new weaponry including the “Directed Stick Radiator,” a hand-held system based on the same technology as The Scream. “It fires high intensity ‘sonic bullets’ or pulses of sound between 125-150db for a second or two. Such a weapon could, when fully developed, have the capacity to knock people off their feet.”

            The Penn State facility is testing a “Distributed Sound and Light Array Debilitator” a.k.a. the “puke ray.” The colors and rhythm of light are absorbed by the retina and disorient the brain, blinding the victim for several seconds. In conjunction with disturbing sounds it can make the person stumble or feel nauseated. Foreign Policy in Focus reports that the Department of Homeland Security, with $1 million invested for testing the device, hopes to see it “in the hands of thousands of policemen, border agents and National Guardsmen” by 2010.

            Spider silk is cited in the University of Bradford’s Non-Lethal Weapons Research Project, Report #4 (pg. 20) as an up-and-comer. “A research collaboration between the University of New Hampshire and the U.S. Army Natick Research, Development and Engineering Center is looking into the use of spider silk as a non-lethal ‘entanglement’ material for disabling people. They have developed a method for producing recombinant spider silk protein using E. coli and are trying to develop methods to produce large quantities of these fibres.”

            New Scientist reports that the (I’m not making this up) Inertial Capacitive Incapacitator (ICI), developed by the Physical Optics Corporation of Torrance, California, uses a thin-film storage device charged during manufacture that only discharges when it strikes the target. It can be incorporated into a ring-shaped aerofoil and fired from a standard grenade launcher at low velocity, while still maintaining a flat trajectory for maximum accuracy.

            Aiming beyond Tasers, the Homeland Security Advanced Research Projects Agency, (FY 2009 budget: $1B) the domestic equivalent of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), plans to develop wireless weapons effective over greater distances, such as in an auditorium or sports stadium, or on a city street. One such device, the Piezer, uses piezoelectric crystals that produce voltage when they are compressed. A 12-gauge shotgun fires the crystals, stunning the target with an electric shock on impact. Lynntech of College Station, Texas, is developing a projectile Taser that can be fired from a shotgun or 40-mm grenade launcher to increase greatly the weapon’s current range of seven meters.

            “Off the Rocker and On the Floor: Continued Development of Biochemical Incapacitating Weapons,” a report by the Bradford Disarmament Research Centre revealed that in 1992, the National Institute of Justice contracted with Lawrence Livermore National Lab to review clinical anesthetics for use by special ops military forces and police. LLNL concluded the best option was an opioid, like fentanyl, effective at very low doses compared to morphine. Combined with a patch soaked in DMSO (dimethylsufoxide, a solvent) and fired from an air rifle, fentanyl could be delivered to the skin even through light clothing. Another recommended application for the drug was mixed with fine powder and dispersed as smoke.

            After upgrades, the infamous “Puff the Magic Dragon” gunship from the Vietnam War is now the AC-130. “Non-Lethal Weaponry: Applications to AC-130 Gunships,” observes that “With the increasing involvement of US military in operations other than war…” the AC-130 “would provide commanders a full range of non-lethal weaponry from an airborne platform which was not previously available to them.” The paper concludes in part that “As the use of non-lethal weapons increases and it becomes valid and acceptable, more options will become available.”

            Prozac and Zoloft are two of over 100 pharmaceuticals identified by the Penn State College of Medicine and the university’s Applied Research Lab for further study as “non-lethal calmatives.” These Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs), noted the Penn State study, “…are found to be highly effective for numerous behavioral disturbances encountered in situations where a deployment of a non-lethal technique must be considered. This class of pharmaceutical agents also continues to be under intense development by the pharmaceutical industry…New compounds under development (WO 09500194) are being designed with a faster onset of action. Drug development is continuing at a rapid rate in this area due to the large market for the treatment of depression (15 million individuals in North America)…It is likely that an SSRI agent can be identified in the near future that will feature a rapid rate of onset.”

            In Pittsburgh last week, an enormously expensive show of police and weaponry, intended for “security” of the G20 delegates, simultaneously shut workers out of downtown jobs for two days, forced gasping students and residents back into their dormitories and homes, and turned journalists’ press passes into quaint, obsolete reminders of a bygone time.

            Most significant of all, however, was what Witold Walczak, legal director of the Pennsylvania ACLU, told the Associated Press: “It’s not just intimidation, it’s disruption and in some cases outright prevention of peaceful protesters being able to get their message out.”

             
          • kohana posted at 11:28 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            melaniephillips.com

            Unless we become as single minded as the fanatics, we are all hostages now.

            By Melanie Phillips, January 21, 2013.

            The immediate response to the Sahara atrocity must be revulsion, and deep sorrow for the families of those British and other hostages who were murdered in cold blood or killed in the rescue attempt. (ko: also American)

            Condemnation of the Algerian authorities for the loss of those hostages’ lives, in what has been termed a ‘bungled’ operation against the Islamist terrorists who stormed the Algerian gas complex, is nevertheless inappropriate.

            The Prime Minister yesterday struck a more supportive note than his earlier reported fury that the Algerians had gone in with all guns blazing without even informing the UK government.

            A measure of common sense thus seems belatedly to have broken through the panic in Whitehall.

            For it is not just that the Algerians’ response in that hideously complex situation cannot be judged without understanding precisely what they thought the hostage-takers were about to do. It is also that the ruthless Algerian approach acknowledges a reality on the ground that the West seems incapable of grasping.

            The Algerians refuse to negotiate because they know that the Islamists’ position is simply non-negotiable.

            Unlike other hostage-takers, they usually have no interest in getting out alive; they intend to die as ‘martyrs’, and of course have no compunction about killing their captives.

            Moreover, the purpose of taking hostages is either to kill ‘infidels’ or to extract ransom money for them — which will merely finance more kidnappings and terrorist atrocities.

            Such terrorists thus regard with contempt all negotiation as a sign of weakness. And in the world of Islamic fundamentalism, weakness is an incentive to further violence.
            Only a display of uncompromising strength — including, most importantly, strength of resolve — has any chance of being a deterrent.

            The Algerians understand this very well. The West does not — instead assuming that everyone on the planet thinks like it does and is thus similarly governed by self-interest.

            But in dealing with Islamist fanatics who regard themselves as the army of God, and for whom death is the highest calling, this is a catastrophic mistake.

            The most devastating consequence has been the West’s refusal to acknowledge that it is not fighting a series of brush fires based on local political grievances, but a war of religion being conducted against the free world in order to destroy it.

            This fundamental misjudgment has meant not merely that Western governments failed to grasp the threat that would be posed by the dispersed al Qaeda franchise in the Sahel region of west and north-central Africa.

            It has also caused them to make a series of dreadful errors which have led Islamic extremists to conclude that victory is within their grasp.

            Failing to deal firmly with terrorist regimes such as Syria, Iran or North Korea, which pose a mortal threat to peace and freedom, Western governments instead helped remove admitted tyrants in the Muslim world who were nevertheless allies (however fragile) of the West.

            Blundering about with their asinine belief that elections are the antidote to holy war, they have merely produced chaos in which Islamic fanatics and terrorists have been the main beneficiaries.

            In a bitter irony, advanced Libyan weaponry that fell into terrorist hands after Colonel Gaddafi was ousted — courtesy of the UK, France and the U.S. — has been used against the French in Mali.

            In Egypt, where the U.S. and UK helped lever out President Mubarak, his replacement, Mohamed Morsi, is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood which increasingly appears committed to holy war against the West.

            In similar vein, Western governments have soft-pedalled Iran through fruitless negotiations and slow-burning sanctions, thus giving it time to build its nuclear bomb with which it hopes to finish off the West.

            Worse still, those governments have themselves shown a lack of stomach for a fight.

            This has been demonstrated by the ignominious way they scuttled from Iraq, and fought a war in Afghanistan which — despite the unquestioned courage of the soldiers fighting it — often appeared so half-hearted it all but guaranteed what historians will surely regard as defeat.

            By contrast, Islamist fanatics play the longest game in town. With their heads still stuck fast in the seventh century, they think nothing of fighting at least until the end of the 21st.

            What inspires them to further violence is their perception that the West is wide open for the taking — because it simply doesn’t have the will to fight for what it believes in.

            This is demonstrated not just in the military sphere, but in the way in which it has allowed the radical Islamist agenda to make inroads into its own societies, courtesy of the perversities of human rights culture and the craven willingness to silence all such concerns on the grounds that they are ‘Islamophobic’.

            This lack of will is on show in the U.S. no less than in Britain. Indeed, one of the most devastating blows to the defence of the West is that President Obama, having helped the Muslim Brotherhood to power in the Middle East, has in effect pulled up the drawbridge by declaring that his interests now lie across the Pacific instead
            .
            America may be committing a few drones to the fight in Mali or the badlands on the border of Pakistan. But with its strategic shift and planned defence reductions, the Obama administration is signalling that the U.S. is no longer willing to lead the defence of the West against its most deadly enemy.

            And that should terrify us, because without America we are lost.

            The belief that Britain should similarly sit on the sidelines in glorious isolationism is misguided. The jihadists in Africa directly threaten us, not least through the two-way traffic between UK-based Somalis, Sudanese, Algerians and so on and al Qaeda in the Sahara.

            While we must certainly be discriminating in our use of military force abroad, we have to alter the deadly perception of confusion and weakness which will encourage further atrocities.

            The modest help the UK gave the French in Mali was proportionate, but Mr Cameron is right to suggest we may provide more to fight al Qaeda in Africa. It will finally be defeated there only through a concerted effort of international will and commitment to the long haul.

            But that’s not all. There is a seamless connection between jihadi movements abroad, the blind eyes turned to polygamy or the oppression of Muslim women in the UK, and debacles such as the failure to extradite Abu Qatada.

            To win this great civilisational battle of our time and protect all our citizens —including Britain’s many moderate Muslims — Britain must abandon its current incoherence.

            That means holding the line against Sharia law in Britain, and tearing up human rights law in order to deal properly with the human wrongs of Islamic terrorists.

            It means treating the Muslim Brotherhood as a deadly threat to freedom everywhere, rather than embracing them within Whitehall as helpful to the West.

            It means a steely resolve to act against the whole continuum of extremism that links British boys in Tower Hamlets or Sheffield to al-Qaeda in the Sahara.

            And it means no soft-pedalling or negotiation with those threatening violence against us or our interests abroad.

            Only if we display such moral clarity and unwavering resolve will this menace ever be defeated, both at home and abroad. Otherwise, we are all hostages now.

            melaniephillips.com

             
          • cordwood posted at 10:51 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            DingleBerryInn refers to the president as "comrade." My dictionary defines comrade as: "1. a person who shares in one's activities, occupation, etc.; companion, associate, or friend. 2. a fellow member of a fraternal group, political party, etc. " So, Moose, are you two buddies, or fellow Odd Fellows, or what?

             
          • kohana posted at 10:41 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

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            Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. 1967, “A Knock at Midnight”

            Tommy De Seno

            Would The Left Accept The Philosophy of Dr. King Today?

            January 21, 2013

            http://ricochet.com/

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:32 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: (2) Violating the First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion, including the very important right of conscience by forcing people of faith to pay for abortions inspite of their religious beliefs that abortion is murder.
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            I'm curious. Can conscientious objectors opt out of their 40% tax-share of supporting the armed forces?

            HTC:
            (4) Seeking to infringe our Second Amendment rights by controlling the kinds of guns we can own, pursuing a national database of gun owners, and limiting the ammunition capacity of firearms.
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            I'm with you on this one. As a proud owner of a Russian-made AK47 and some 30-round clips, I find having it (besides the cool factor) is more of a statement than anything else...unless the zombies come.

            HTC: (8) Refusing to enforce laws that he doesn't like (e.g., immigration)
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            ...and federal marijuana laws. One toke over the line, sweet jesus.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:15 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Pequot posted at 8:45 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013

            You're welcome. Just trying to do my part in awakening folks.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Are you talking about his "Hit List" and the use of Drones in Sovereign Foreign Nations?

            HTC: Would you mind showing me where the Constitution prohibits such things? Or have you also decided to blur the boundaries between war and criminal activities?

            If you're truly incapable of figuring out where Obama has or is trying to trample upon the rights of U.S. citizens, here's a partial list:

            (1) Forcing us to buy a government-defined and regulated product merely because we breathe (ObamaCare). When you start taxing the "right to life", you've offended the foundation of ALL civil rights.

            (2) Violating the First Amendment right to the free exercise of religion, including the very important right of conscience by forcing people of faith to pay for abortions inspite of their religious beliefs that abortion is murder.

            (3) Going to war in Libya WITHOUT authorization from Congress.

            (4) Seeking to infringe our Second Amendment rights by controlling the kinds of guns we can own, pursuing a national database of gun owners, and limiting the ammunition capacity of firearms.

            (5) Appointing agency Czars with all the power of a cabinet position but no accountability to Congress or even prior confirmation by Congress.

            (6) Violation of the rule of law and the Constitution by unlawfully taking the secured interests of GM and Chrysler bondholders and giving those interests to the unions which helped get him elected. If you own any California muni-bonds, you might want to dump them now because the unions in CA, recognizing that the state and many of its cities are bankrupt, are already suing in court to have muni-bondholders similarly stripped of their rights for the benefit of the public employee unions and their woefully underfunded pensions.

            (7) Making unconstitutional recess appointments.

            (8) Refusing to enforce laws that he doesn't like (e.g., immigration)

            (9) Unconstitutionally enacting the Dream Act by executive fiat when he couldn't get Congress to pass it.

            (10) Violating states' Tenth Amendment rights by suing them for enforcing laws which he refuses to enforce.

            (11) Using the NLRB as a goon squad to attack businesses which expand in "right to work" states.

            Now that he is unfettered by any concerns for reelection, I shudder to think what might be in store for us for the next four years.

            But I keep forgetting that you were a PolySci major, so you probably think the Constitution is an outdated document and not to be taken too seriously.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:52 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            mooseberryinn: "top 18" climate "Scientists" are they the guys that figured out what started and stopped the last ice age? Is that the 18 out of 1287 Scientists?

            HTC: While it is obvious to those with training in the appropriate sciences that AGW is a hoax, it is taking a very long time for the myth do die; but, it also took a very long time for the myth of the sun orbiting the earth to die as well.

            The reason in both instances is the same: Politics - more specifically, political power. Whereas in the case of the earth orbiting the sun, the Catholic Church and rulers backed by it had a vested interest in maintaining the mythical authority of the Church in ALL matters, including science, the myth of AGW is the perfect strategy for ending nationalism in the name of a fake global crisis and for facilitating the massive transfer of wealth from developed countries to developing countries.

            Fortunately, polls continue to show that most Americans have already figured out that it is a hoax. It's mostly only our much slower progressive neighbors who are struggling to catch up.

            mooseberryinn: Note - Unemployment, about the same as 4 years ago. too bad. but no surprise.

            HTC: It's the same only by the government's own metric which doesn't count those who've given up looking for a job or who took a parttime job so as not to starve. Once they're included, the real figure of the unemployed and underemployed has worsened dramatically over the last four years.

            With Obama continuing to do exactly ALL the wrong things to turn the situation around, the misery index for those folks will continue to worsen.

            As you said, no surprise.

             
          • Pequot posted at 8:45 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Pequot Posts: 525

            Kohana has helped me understand why I often value my dog's life over the life of some of those I meet or whose comments I read. Thanks Kohana !.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:10 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            hey, Cheerios are supposed to be good for ya.
            "top 18" climate "Scientists" are they the guys that figured out what started and stopped the last ice age? Is that the 18 out of 1287 Scientists? let us know if you find out. King Obama, the Anointed One has promised to stop climate change. He will grow a beard, wear white, raise his walking stick in an imperial manner, while scowling mightily. There, problem solved. Um, "State Department" - the same guys (or gals) who didn't know anything about Benghazi? Now they're going to know nothing about climate? Well, no surprise there. Obama has promised action - would that be with or without legislative action? A "most holy and divine edict"? or a merely imperial decree?
            Ya know, you folks who disagree with the rest of America, or at least the people who despise Chairman Obumov and the demo-dummy regime have really got to do better to clarify your propaganda. Make it sound more "official", toss in more numbers, at the very least make the "WAGs" more professional sounding. Note - Unemployment, about the same as 4 years ago. too bad. but no surprise.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:50 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Is to preserve, protect and defend our nation's environment seem too patriotically unconstitutional and unacceptable?

            18 Top Climate Scientists Call on President Obama to Reject Keystone XL

            Jan 15, 2012

            Nation’s Top Climate Scientists Urge President Obama to Reject Keystone XL Pipeline

            OAKLAND CA -- Eighteen of the nation’s top climate scientists released a letter to President Obama today urging him to say no to the Keystone XL tar sands pipeline.

            “Eighteen months ago some of us wrote you about the proposed Keystone XL tar sands pipeline, explaining why in our opinion its construction ran counter to both national and planetary interests," wrote the scientists. "Nothing that has happened since has changed that evaluation; indeed, the year of review that you asked for on the project made it clear exactly how pressing the climate issue really is."

            Indeed the past year has shown that climate change is here. A few months after Superstorm Sandy flooded parts of the Northeast, NOAA announced last week that the average temperature for 2012 was 55.3 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.2 degrees above normal and a full degree higher than the previous warmest year recorded -- 1988.

            The State Department is expected to soon release its supplemental environmental impact statement (SEIS) required for the northern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline. The department’s previous pipeline EIS downplayed climate risks by arguing that the tar sands would be developed with or without Keystone XL and therefore the project had no responsibility for the additional greenhouse gas emissions that come from burning tar sands oil.

            But two of Canada's largest banks, TD Economics and CIBC, have recently said that without added capacity, "Canada's oil industry is facing a serious challenge to its long-term growth" and that “Canada needs pipe — and lots of it — to avoid the opportunity cost of stranding over a million barrels a day of potential crude oil growth.”

            The Obama Administrations has promised action on climate change but if KXL is approved, the Administration would be actively supporting and encouraging the growth of an industry which has demonstrably serious effects on climate.

            Thousands of concerned citizens will come to Washington, DC on February 17th, President's Day weekend, to oppose the Keystone XL pipeline. Rally information is at www.350.org/presidentsday.


            Deadline Approaching: Tell Montana’s DEQ to Stop Coal Exports!
            Posted on January 8, 2013

            http://coalexportaction.org/

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:46 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            mooseberry you really must stop talking with your mouth full of cheerios.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:29 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Montana and North Dakota native people are comparably exploited as the native people of Mali.

            http://www.ienearth.org/shale-oil-boom-in-north-dakota-is-impacting-native-americans-especially-hard/

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/16/1179549/-Obama-EPA-Shut-Down-Study-on-Fracking-Water-Contamination-in-Texas

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:03 am on Mon, Jan 21, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            Moose: ".....he didn't understand what "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" meant."

            Are you talking about his "Hit List" and the use of Drones in Sovereign Foreign Nations?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:57 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            Well Golly, there's some folks out there who believe America is a godforsaken, bunch of meany empire people. Well, .... have ya thought about emigrating to Canada? (sorry, we won't miss you).
            ah ha, a nooz flashy - Comrade Obumov, has to take the oath of office 4 times? he didn't understand what "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" meant. Must be related to either tillie or iabd?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:32 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            IABD- Does anyone else view former Montana Dem. Gov. Brian Schweitzer and Montana's US Dem Sen. Jon Tester guilty of an environmental 'hate-crime' or domestic extremism?- Our 2nd amendment rights will likely be abolished to prevent accidental or deliberate attempts by sportsmen shooting at Keystone Pipeline. Did you read this in the 'intelake'? Is Brian Schweitzer being groomed for US President in 2016? Stay tuned.....

            http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/land-board-approves-keystone-lease/article_b5aac91c-2048-5b3f-9e2c-90daeac6c7c0.html

            Montana Land board approves Keystone lease

            December 17, 2012 10:41 am • Associated Press(9) Comments
            HELENA — Montana on Monday approved easements to let the Keystone XL pipeline cross state-owned land, including the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers.

            The Land Board, chaired by Gov. Brian Schweitzer, running his last meeting before leaving office, sold the package of 50-year easements to TransCanada for $741,000. The board also finalized approval for land leases for the completion of the Montana-Alberta Tie Line.

            But it was the lease for the oil pipeline that brought out some critics, who argued that the board isn't doing enough to make sure the pipeline will be safe for the environment. They pointed to last year's oil spill on the Yellowstone River, caused when a pipeline ruptured, of the danger posed when rivers are crossed. Opponents also argued it shouldn't be built at all due to global warming concerns from oil production.

            The Northern Plains Resource Council, representing some Eastern Montana ranchers and landowners affected by the pipeline, wrote a letter to the board advising it that the river crossing points are particularly dangerous.

            Jim Jensen, executive of the Montana Environmental Information Center, said the board should at least postpone a decision on the portions of the lease package that cross the major rivers. He said there should be no rush since it is conditioned on receiving presidential approval, a process that has been bogged down in Washington, D.C., politics.

            Jensen said the tar sands product is very different from normal crude oil, and its potential impact on aquatic environments is untested. He said the Land board also has an obligation to review the global warming impacts of developing the Canadian oil fields.

            "I don't believe it is responsible for the Land Board to make this decision before it has all the information in front of it," he said.

            TransCanada told the board that it has agreed during regulatory permit proceedings to bury the pipeline 40 feet under the major rivers, a depth much greater than the older pipeline that ruptured last year.

            Schweitzer told the critics that they need to take their concerns to state or federal agencies that offer the environmental permits.

            The governor said the same groups made similar requests of the board when it was making decisions on coal development in Eastern Montana. He argued, again, that the land board makes the decisions regarding the state's financial interest in such cases, while regulatory agencies make sure environmental laws are followed.

            "I don't know why MEIC and Northern Plains went back to this well again," Schweitzer said. "We handle the money. The environmental permits are handled elsewhere. That's why we have a Department of Environmental Quality that does these things."

            The 36-inch oil pipeline still faces several much larger hurdles than the Montana Land Board, including court battles elsewhere and the pending request for the presidential approval needed for such a cross-border project. The pipeline, which will have an on-ramp for Montana oil developers, would eventually carry crude oil to refineries in southern Texas.

            The board also gave the backers of the Montana-Alberta Tie Line some final easements needed across state land in north-central Montana to complete its project. The company told the board that it could be done in the first half of next year.

            Schweitzer lauded the project as a key component to the state's development of wind energy.


            Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/land-board-approves-keystone-lease/article_b5aac91c-2048-5b3f-9e2c-90daeac6c7c0.html#ixzz2IZXBvNjr

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 4:40 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Hate Crimes and Domestic Extremism
            Senate Committee
            Sep 19, 2012

            http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/CrimesandD
            http://www.c-spanvideo.org/clip/3950643

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:10 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Pierre posted at 12:59 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            IABD- Did you happen to read any recent 'Intelake' article about next month's USPS closure? I too have had negative stories about my family printed that were never retracted as well. Didn't care for Dan Black either.

            Extra patrols planned when Kalispell USPS center closes
            Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:17 AM by Laura Wilson - KAJ News
            Updated: Jan 16, 2013 7:20 AM

            http://www.kpax.com/news/extra-patrols-planned-when-kalispell-usps-center-closes/

             
          • Pierre posted at 12:59 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            Pierre Posts: 137

            Frank, I hadn't read the Intelake since 1982 when Mr. Black published an article about our family, an article which was later retracted, but not until the damage had been done. You, sir, are the very reason my family has begun reading the Interlake again.
            Sorry it took so long, but then again OldGuys and stubborness......... you know.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6607

            MT_foundation posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            [thumbup] I didn't even know where to start.....good job.

             
          • cordwood posted at 12:00 pm on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            Thank you MT_foundation. I believe Frank has just received a very appropriate and articulate comeuppance. Well done. well said. I'm sure he left out all christian atrocities due to limited space (even if he is the editor and has filled entire pages with his falling-sky hysteria in the past......)

             
          • MT_foundation posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            MT_foundation Posts: 64

            Frank, I assume that you did not include other empires, namely the Spanish and the British, because you didn’t have enough space available – is that correct? I mean, in a discussion of empire, especially those that killed people, how couldn’t you discuss how the Catholic Spanish ravaged two continents and killed tens of millions of people or the British who did the same in N. America, Africa, Oceania, and Asia. I don’t want to think that you intentionally left them out of your piece because they were Christians while the other four you cited were not. Or, are we missing something here?!

            Of course your argument about the Ottoman empire had an especially loose relationship with conventional understanding as it (the Ottoman Empire) is generally regarded as a much more tolerant and inclusive political organization then what replaced it: The French areas of control in the Middle East (Syria, Lebanon), Israel, and, again, the British. And I guess we should forget that it was an ally with the strongly Catholic Austro-Hungarian Empire during WWI. Any insinuation that it was some sort of [Islamic] outlier, threatening the security of Europe, therefore, is just not true. Suffice it to say, the Ottoman Empire’s involvement in WWI should be seen through the lens of 19th century / early 20th century ‘Great Power’ politics and not in the way you described.

            As for Russia looking the other way while Nazi Germany expanded its power, that’s particularly amazing as Russia didn’t exist at that time, the Soviet Union did, and it was complicit in Nazi Germany’s expansion as evidenced by the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact which, among other things, divided what remained of Poland between Nazi Germany and the USSR.

            Moving along, you lump Vietnam a part of the Soviet Union’s atrocities while not mentioned the U.S.’s role in that debacle. Anyone who has read the history of that war knows that it really had to do with the fight against French (Catholic) imperialism. The U.S. had the chance at the end of WWII to put an end to French imperialism in S.E. Asia and help create a peaceful, stable, independent, and friendly Vietnam, but we appeased the French and allowed them to continue their exploitation of that land.

            Next, your idea that there is a cohesive Islamic empire that stretches from Morocco to Indonesia is baffling as it’s a deeply fractured region – religiously, politically, and socially. And if you cite 1.5 Muslims as a menacing threat, please do so with other religions and their leadership – the Catholics don’t exactly have the best track-record in the fight for human equality and peace.

            Finally, the French’s fight in Mali has more to do with neocolonialism as it does with stopping a dangerous (and weak) band of terrorists. To say that the U.S. has been sitting quietly by after we’ve fought two big wars in the region this past decade and our involvement in Libya is curious. Are you saying that we should be a power that intervenes in more places around the world like, say, an empire?

            I’m a fan of revisionist history, too – it’s tons of fun. But please next put a BOLD and CLEAR disclaimer explaining that’s what you’re doing. Otherwise readers might confuse this fiction with what actually happened.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Donald Duck Meets Glenn Beck in Right Wing Radio Duck

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfuwNU0jsk0

             
          • cordwood posted at 11:07 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            Tillie is right Frank - you left out one rather obvious empire and its decimation of an entire race of people through countless wars and acts of terrorism: the good ol' American empire as it moved east to west killing any native in its way. And what did they use as justification? Why, their God of course. Sound familiar? Manifest destiny." Our god wants us to kill all of these people and we sure can't let Him down."

            Nice try Frank, but not including the American Empire in your scholarly dissertation, well, your whole argument fails.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            What the future holds for all of us:

            Islam and Environmentalism: United in Anti-Humanism

            Posted By Theodore Shoebat On January 18, 2013

            With Al Gore’s Current TV now sold to Al Jazeera, Woodstock and Mecca now unite, and Allah and Mother Earth are joined together in marriage. The purchase brings us to a much deeper topic, and that is that the ideology of Islam coincides with much of what the environmentalists uphold. Al Gore claims to be a Christian, but in fact he would rather praise Islam than subscribe to any Christian ideals. Gore actually once wrote:

            "Islam, for example, offers familiar themes. The prophet Muhammad said, “The world is green and beautiful and God has appointed you His stewards over it.” The central concepts of Islam taught by the Qur’ân – Tawheed (unity), khalifa (trusteeship), akharah (accountability) – also serve as the pil- lars of the Islamic environmental ethic. The earth is the sacred cre- ation of Allah…The Qur’ân declares that “we have created everything from water.” In the Lotus ‘Sutra,’ Buddha is presented metaphorically as a “rain cloud,” covering, permeating, fertilizing, and enriching “all parched living beings, to free them from their misery to attain the joy of peace, joy of the present world and joy of Nirvana…”

            Islam really is rooted in naturism. Allah is a product of the Venus goddess Athtar, and is the male counterpart to the earth goddess Allat. The Blackstone itself, the holiest idol in Islam, was originally a fertility symbol, which is still placed in a frame shaped in the form of a vulva.

            The result of wholly accepting environmentalism is the exalting of animals and the belittling of man. Hence why the Quran says that humans are of lesser value than is creation: “The heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of man; but most people know not” (Q 40:57). Even the animal kingdom is on par with humans: “No creature is there on earth nor a bird flying with its wings but they are nations like you” (Q 6:38). Abdul Haseeb Ansari, in Islamic Law, explaining the significance of this verse, warns against arrogance and says that the believers (Muslims) are “no better than other creatures” (p. 34). This reminds me of when Ingrid Newkirk, the president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), declared: “When it comes to feelings, a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. There is no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights.”

            The result of disrespecting human life is collectivism, since the individual is trampled upon and made no better than a herd servile to the state. Human life does not belong to God, but to the government. This is exactly what Thomas Malthus, the father of modern human population paranoia, wanted when he wrote:

            "All children born, beyond what would be required to keep up the population to a desired level, must necessarily perish, unless room is made for them by the deaths of grown persons. We should facilitate, instead of foolishly and vainly endeavoring to impede, the operations of nature in producing this mortality."

            To deem human life as no better than an animal leads to actions such as those committed by these Syrian jihadists, who opened fire on innocent people driving in their car:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GFo9zRc9e4&feature=player_embedded

            Or to purely evil practices, such as burning human beings alive simply for being Christians:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1EEgXS6e4&feature=player_embedded

            Christianity is the greatest foe to the demeaning of human life, and to the anti-human movement found in both environmentalism and Islam.

            It is no marvel, then, that Paul Ehrlich, a proponent of human population control, wrote that in order to dramatically decrease the population in America, the country needs to replace its Judeo-Christian roots with Animism – a religion which only exists predominantly in third world nations:

            "Somehow we’ve got to change from a growth-oriented, exploitative system to one focused on stability and conservation. Our entire system of orienting to nature must undergo a revolution. And that revolution is going to be extremely difficult to pull off, since the attitudes of Western culture toward nature are deeply rooted in Judeo-Christian tradition. Unlike people in many other cultures, we see man’s basic role as that of dominating nature, rather than as living in harmony with it. Professor Lynn White, Jr., has elegantly discussed this entire problem in Science magazine. He points out, for instance, that before the Christian era trees, springs, hills, streams, and other objects of nature had guardian spirits. These spirits had to be approached and placated before one could safely invade their territory. As White says, “By destroying pagan animism, Christianity made it possible to exploit nature in a mood of indifference to the feelings of natural objects… Both our present science and our present technology are so tinctured with orthodox Christian arrogance toward nature that no solution for our ecological crisis can be expected from them alone. Since the roots of our trouble are so largely religious, the remedy must also be essentially religious, whether we call it that or not.’"

            Islam too wants to replace Christianity with its cult of Mecca and the Blackstone. Any country which has been taken by Islam loses its respect for human life. Where Christianity is, life is honored; where Islam or Leftism prevails, humanity is lost.

            Ko here: Do watch the videos!

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/theodore-shoebat/islam-and-environmentalism-united-in-anti-humanism/

             
          • kohana posted at 10:43 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            What the future holds for your little daughters and granddaughters:

            http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/uk-muslim-bought-11-year-old-girl-branded-her-with-m-for-mohammed/

            UK Muslim Bought 11 Year Old Girl, Branded Her With “M” for Mohammed

            January 20, 2013 By Daniel Greenfield

            This is Islam.
            “You [Mohammed] are not permitted to take any further wives, nor to exchange the wives you have for others, even if these attract you with their beauty. But this does not apply to your slave-girls.” (Quran 33:52)

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/07/james-m-arlandson-slavery-in-the-quran-traditions-and-classical-law.html#_Sex_with_Slave-Girls

            This is Islam in the UK.
            [Karrar – known as Egyptian Mo – bought the youngest victim from an unnamed man just after her 11th birthday.

            He befriended her with gifts of perfume and hard drugs but then began to beat her up and raped her, the Old Bailey was told.

            He branded her with one of her hair pins, which he had twisted into the shape of an ‘M’ and heated with a cigarette lighter. It left a scar on her left buttock.

            ‘He regarded her as his property,’ Mr Lucas said. ‘He showed her no regard. If she had the temerity to resist, he beat her.

            ‘He branded her to make her his property and to ensure others knew about it.’ At the age of 12 she was introduced to Karrar’s brother Bassam, 33, who is also accused of raping her.]

            Nothing you’ve read here is against Islam. Muslims are permitted by the Koran to capture women and girls in the Dar-Al-Harb, the non-Muslim territories that the Dar-Al-Islam is forever at war with.

            Mohammed married a six year old. Egyptian Mo raped an eleven year old. But the Koran doesn’t recognize the existence of rape for slavegirls or wives. So there was nothing wrong done there under Islam.

            In Malaysia, an Islamic court permitted the marriage of a 12-year-old. British Imams have no problems agreeing to marriages involving 12-year-olds.

            [British Muslim clerics are willing to carry out sharia marriages involving child brides as young as 12, an investigation has found.

            More than 1,000 of the 8,000 forced marriages of Britons each year are believed to involve girls of 15 or under, with one case last year allegedly involving a girl of five.

            The clerics were approached by man posing as the father of a 12-year-old who wanted her to marry to prevent her being tempted into a decadent Western lifestyle.

            Imam Mohammed Kassamali, of the Husaini Islamic Centre in Peterborough, stressed the need for secrecy with such a ceremony.

            He allegedly said: ‘If it (the marriage) was not possible, I would have told you straight away… I would love the girl to go to her husband’s houses (sic) as soon as possible, the younger the better.

            ‘Under sharia (Islamic law) there is no problem. It is said she should see her first sign of puberty at the house of her husband.]

            This is Islam. This is what Islamic immigration means. It means children being raped with the sanction of Islam.

            The great dream of Islamic mass murderers is to die and ascend to Islamic paradise where 72 virgins will be at their disposal. Until Allah comes through with his supernatural sex trafficking, the Mohammeds have to do with with sex trafficking in British little girls.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com
            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/uk-muslim-bought-11-year-old-girl-branded-her-with-m-for-mohammed/

             
          • kohana posted at 9:51 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            About our commander in chief:

            http://ricochet.com/

            Pejman Yousefzadeh

            Barack Obama Is So Awesome that His Awesomeness Impedes His Eloquence
            January 19, 2013

            Or … something:
            http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2013/01/can-obama-speak-to-history-in-his-second-inaugural.html

            “… Obama isn’t a phrasemaker. I have the sense that he disdains the glibness of sound bites, for very good reason but also out of an incorrigible and self-undermining need to rise above politics. (What else but a sound bite was “with malice toward none, with charity for all”?) If Obama is the best writer-President since Lincoln, it’s not because of an extraordinary gift for language—it’s because of his breadth of experience and depth of thought.

            The fact that Obama has given so few truly great Presidential speeches didn’t turn out to be politically fatal, but it’s not irrelevant. It’s made him more vulnerable, put him more on the defensive than he should have been. He’s never given himself a phrase or sentence to wield in the crunch, conveying an idea that’s simple and yet profound enough to embed itself in the public’s mind, and that truly defines his political vision. Obama is too complex, too nuanced, too elusive, and too careful, for words that stick.”

            Got that? If the president doesn’t leave us with any memorable phrases in his inaugural address, it is only because he is “too complex, too nuanced, too elusive, and too careful” to do that kind of thing. But he may still be “the best writer-President since Lincoln” because of his “breadth of experience and depth of thought,” so if we get no memorable phrases, it may only be because we don’t match the president in the “breadth of experience and depth of thought” business, in addition to not being “complex, nuanced, elusive, and careful” in our listening.

            Of course, George Packer is able to give us examples of Obamaian speeches with memorable phrasing, but he tells us that those speeches were memorable because they represent instances in which the president has “been challenged as a thinker or touched as a man.” In the event that you are wondering why the president cannot be “challenged as a thinker or touched as a man” in advance of his inaugural address, it is because the president’s “strongest political impulse is inclusive, and inclusiveness rarely makes for great rhetoric.” I leave it up to readers to decide whether that means that in speeches which produced memorable Obamaian phrasing, the president wasn’t being particularly inclusive. I have trouble believing that to be the case; after all, Packer praised then-state senator Obama’s speech to the Democratic National Convention in 2004, in which the future president stated that “[t]here’s not a liberal America and a conservative America; there’s the United States of America.” Sounds like an attempt at inclusion to me, and it certainly became a memorable phrase, but Packer assures us that inclusive Obamaian rhetoric doesn’t make it into our long term memory banks.

            As one can readily tell, Packer has pretty much tied himself up in knots with his argument. But I think I know what’s going on here. Packer writes for the New Yorker, and he and everyone else working at the New Yorker are big Obama fans. I’m sure that they want the president to hit it out of the park with his inaugural address, but they may not be sure that he will be up to the task. So they are downplaying expectations for him. They have the freedom to do that, I guess, but I wish that Packer and his friends would stop portraying themselves as writers and journalists. Because if my suspicions regarding their motivations are correct, they are nothing more than spinmeisters.


             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:39 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 8:51 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

            http://www.centcom.mil/en/about-centcom/media-and-speaker-info/speaker-request-form/

             
          • Pequot posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            American generals parrot the political correctness stance of their civilian leaders. Once they retire and have their lucrative pensions safe from encroachment some are willing to say or write what they really believe. Others, not as bright as many Americans like to believe, clam up in tribute to their ignorance. A few keep hewing the party line looking for a cushy government job unwilling to relinquish the opportunity to retain power and prestige.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 9:36 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            "What do these all have in common: The Ottoman Empire, the Nazi Empire, the Soviet Empire and the New Islamic Caliphate?"

            As Frank would love to have you believe... Let me guess, they were all run by Obama's ancestors. He gets the blame for everything else, why not that too? Poor desperate and despondant Frank. Cheer up. You'll get another chance to blow it in for more years.

             
          • Pequot posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            Interesting to note that a spokesman for France stated the French objective was to prevent the Islamists from moving further south and taking over the Malian capitol. Nothing about totally removing Islamic extremists and Al Queda from the northern half of the country which they have illegally seized. Once again, a western 'power' unwilling to tackle the complete job thus leaving subversives in place providing a base for encroachment on neighboring countries.

            Until we form a coalition of nations willing to commit to the containment of Islamic extremism the difficulty and price of doing so will increase over time.

             
          • lousia posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            Thanks Frank for another great column, It sure is interesting and very well done.
            Thanks Kohana your comment was right on, I sure am glad we have people that know what is going on and tell it really like it is. Instead of trying to cover up what is really going on, we sure have enough of that poison from other sources on a daily level.
            And Mooseberryin you write the best comments to thanks, have a great Jan. Sunday.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:57 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            Good post Frank. As usual, the collection of American apologists and low IQ folks rise from their steaming piles to add words of no substance. ya just gotta love it. Once more we must suffer the Majestic Marxist Moron and Buffoon Joe for another term. And, lest we forget the parade of Demo-Dummies will follow. Ah, check "Newsweek" cover - "Obama- - the second coming" What they obviously meant was 'Obama - the second conning". Then too, remember these folks lack any capacity to learn, but they are entertaining.

             
          • kohana posted at 8:51 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 1:58 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013

            ko: my short synopsis of: Statement of U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, U.S. Central Command commander, before the Senate Armed Services Committee on March 6, 2012, about the posture of U.S. Central Command

            Arab Awakening
            "As Egypt continues its transition to a fully-functioning democracy,…"

            ko: obviously he hasn’t a clue about Morsi’s determination for Egypt to become a fully Islamic state under shiria law.

            Middle East Peace
            "It should come as no surprise that the lack of a sustainable solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is a preeminent flame that keeps the pot boiling in the Middle East, particularly as the Arab Awakening causes Arab governments to be more responsive to the sentiments of their populations."

            ko: Always of course, it is the JEWS and their country who keep the ME aboil! Mustn’t blame the Arabs/Muslims who proclaim from the hilltops and all their TV stations as well as all their Mosque, each and every day that their hatred must remain for the JEWS until the last one on earth is DEAD. And when were the Arab governments ever responsive to the sentiments of their people? How many has Syria slaughtered now? But of course it’s all Israel’s fault.

            Non-State Threats in Under-governed Areas
            "Our terrorist adversaries are networked and globalized, not bounded by geography, rules or specific organizational or hierarchical lines. They operate in the shadows of under-governed spaces and safe havens, and remain ever determined to harm us, our allies and innocent civilians around the world. …….We must focus on undercutting ideological extremism in order to reduce its attractiveness to disappointed peoples. "

            ko: obviously there is no ideological extremism in the Islamic desire to control the world and establish a Caliphate.


             
          • Tillie posted at 7:50 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            Poor myopic Frank. So obsessed with right-wingnut websites he forgot to include the American empire.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:58 am on Sun, Jan 20, 2013.

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            http://www.centcom.mil/en/about-centcom/posture-statement/

             
          • who new posted at 11:11 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

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            Since we’re going broke anyway, we might as well become Muslims and have the Arabs pay off our debts.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:36 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

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            IABD- Is it islamic religious extremism at work or is it: IN GOLD WE TRUST?

            The War on Mali. What you Should Know: An Eldorado of Uranium, Gold, Petroleum, Strategic Minerals
            By R. Teichman
            Global Research, January 15, 2013
            News Beacon Ireland

            The French government has stated that:

            “it would send 2,500 troops to support Malian government soldiers in the conflict against Islamist rebels. France has already deployed around 750 troops to Mali, and French carriers arrived in Bamako on Tuesday morning…..

            We will continue the deployment of forces on the ground and in the air…..

            We have one goal. To ensure that when we leave, when we end our intervention, Mali is safe, has legitimate authorities, an electoral process and there are no more terrorists threatening its territory.” [1]

            So this is the official narrative of France and those who support it. And of course this is what is widely reported by the mainstrem media.

            France is supported by other NATO members. US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta confirmed that the US was providing intelligence to French forces in Mali. [2] Canada, Belgium, Denmark and Germany have also publicly backed the French incursion, pledging logistical support in the crackdown on the rebels. [3]

            If we are to believe this narrative we are misled again about the real reasons. A look at Mali’s natural resources reveals what this is really about.

            Mali’s natural resources [4] (emphasis added)

            Gold: Mali: Africa’s third largest gold producer with large scale exploration ongoing. Mali has been famous for its gold since the days of the great Malian empire and the pilgrimage to Mecca of the Emperor Kankou Moussa in 1324, on his caravan he carried more than 8 tonnes of gold! Mali has therefore been traditionally a mining country for over half a millennium.

            Mali currently has seven operating gold mines which include: Kalana and Morila in Southern Mali, Yatela, Sadiola and Loulo in Western Mali, and mines which have recently restarted production notably Syama and Tabakoto. Advanced gold exploration projects include: Kofi, Kodieran, Gounkoto, Komana, Banankoro, Kobada and Nampala.

            Uranium: encouraging signs and exploration in full swing. Exploration is currently being carried out by several companies with clear indications of deposits of uranium in Mali. Uranium potential is located in the Falea area which covers 150 km² of the Falea- North Guinea basin, a Neoproterozoic sedimentary basin marked by significant radiometric anomalies. Uranium potential in Falea is thought to be 5000 tonnes. The Kidal Project, in the north eastern part of Mali, with an area of 19,930 km2, the project covers a large crystalline geological province known as L’Adrar Des Iforas. Uranium potential in the Samit deposit, Gao region alone is thought to be 200 tonnes.

            Diamonds: Mali has potential to develop its diamond exploration: in the Kayes administrative region (Mining region 1), thirty (30) kimberlitic pipes have been discovered of which eight are show traces of diamonds. Some eight small diamonds have been picked in the Sikasso administrative region (southern Mali).

            Precious stones consist of the following and can be found in:

            Circle of Nioro and Bafoulabe: Garnets and rare magnetic minerals
            Circle of Bougouni and Faleme Basin: Pegmatite minerals
            Le Gourma – garnet and corindons
            L’Adrar des Ilforas – pegmatite and metamorphosing minerals
            Hombori Douentza Zone: quartz and carbonates
            Iron Ore, Bauxite and Manganese: significant resources present in Mali but still unexploited. Mali has according to estimates more than 2 million tonnes of potential iron ore reserves located in the areas of Djidian-Kenieba, Diamou and Bale.

            Bauxite reserves are thought to be 1.2 million tonnes located in Kita, Kenieba and Bafing- Makana. Traces of manganese have been found in Bafing – Makana, Tondibi and Tassiga.

            Other mineral resources and potential in Mali

            Calcarous rock deposits: 10 million tonnes est. ( Gangotery), 30 million tonnes est. ( Astro) and Bah El Heri ( Nord de Goundam) 2.2 Million tonnes est.

            Copper: potentialities in Bafing Makan ( Western Region) and Ouatagouna ( Northern Region)
            Marble : Selinkegny ( Bafoulabe) 10.6 MT estimated reserves and traces at Madibaya
            Gypsum: Taoudenit ( 35 MT est.), Indice Kereit ( Nord de Tessalit) 0.37 MT est.
            Kaolin: Potential estimated reserves ( 1MT) located in Gao ( Northern Region)
            Phosphate: Reserve located at Tamaguilelt, production of 18,000 t/per annum and an estimated potential of 12 million tonnes. There are four other potential deposits in the North of 10 million tonnes.
            Lead and zinc: Tessalit in the Northern Region ( 1.7 MT of estimated reserves) and traces in Bafing Makana ( Western Region) and Fafa (Northern Mali)

            Lithium: Indications in Kayes ( Western Region) and estimated potential of 4 million tonnes in Bougouni ( Southern Region)
            Bitumen schist: Potential estimated at 870 million tonnes, indications found in Agamor and Almoustrat in the Northern Region.
            Lignite: Potential estimated at 1.3 million tonnes, indications found in Bourem ( Northern Region)
            Rock Salt: Estimated potential of 53 million tonnes in Taoudenni ( Northern Region)
            Diatomite: Estimated potential of 65 million tonnes in Douna Behri ( Northern Region)
            Mali’s Petroleum potential already attracting significant interest from investors

            Mali’s Petroleums potential has been documented since the 1970’s where sporadic seismic and drilling revealed probable indications of oil. With the increasing price of global oil and gas resources, Mali has stepped up its promotion and research for oil exploration, production and potential exports. Mali could also provide a strategic transport route for Sub-Saharan oil and gas exports through to the Western world and there is the possibility of connecting the Taoudeni basin to European market through Algeria.

            Work has already begun to reinterpret previously gathered geophysical and geological data collected, focussing on five sedimentary basins in the North of country including: Taoudeni, Tamesna, Ilumenden, Ditch Nara and Gao.

            So here we have it

            Whatever is reported by the mainstream media, the goal of this new war is no other than stripping yet another country of its natural resources by securing the access of international corporations to do it. What is being done now in Mali through bombs and bullets is being done to Ireland, Greece, Portugal and Spain by means of debt enslavement.

            And the people suffer and die

            The Guardian reported 2 days ago [5] :

            “The human toll has not yet been calculated, but a communique read on state television late Saturday said that at least 11 Malians were killed in Konna.

            “Sory Diakite, the mayor of Konna, says the dead included children who drowned after they threw themselves into a river in an effort to escape the bombs.

            “Others were killed inside their courtyards, or outside their homes. People were trying to flee to find refuge. Some drowned in the river. At least three children threw themselves in the river. They were trying to swim to the other side. And there has been significant infrastructure damage,” said the mayor, who fled the town with his family and is now in Bamako.”

            Who knows what the death toll is today.

            God help any country and its people with natural resources to be exploited.

            Notes:

            [1] [2] [3] http://rt.com/news/france-mali-french-troops-006/

            [4] All information taken from Le Journee Miniere et Petrolieres du Mali (government information) http://www.jmpmali.com/html/miningandpetroleum.html

            [5] http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/13/mali-neighbours-troops-french-intervention

             
          • kohana posted at 7:58 pm on Sat, Jan 19, 2013.

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            Excellent post Frank.

            That pos sitting in OUR White House should be arrested for treason, now, for aiding and abetting our enemies. All his admirers are going to watch him get sworn in on a false oath for 4 more years, at the end of which time we will be under the rule of some Imam. Folks don't read history anymore Frank, if they even bothered to read it in the first place. We post history on your blog and get insults from the nay sayer/s, and attacks on the messengers.

             
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