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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2011 2:00 am

Last week, I had the pleasure of introducing many of my readers to author Dorothy Thompson for the first time.

Thompson, who died in 1961, started her career before World War I as a suffragette working to win American women the right to vote, then briefly worked as a social worker. After the war, she sailed to Europe and began a stint as a foreign correspondent in Europe, where she had the reputation for always being in the right place at the right time during a chaotic period of history. Later, she became an on-air commentator on world events and wrote a charming column about domestic life in the Ladies Home Journal for many years.

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          154 comments:

          • Bronco posted at 9:32 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oh. So supplying the enemy with information that threatens national security is allowed if they threaten you. Kinda veering off the path in order to defend Sarah, aren't you, JB?

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:08 am on Sun, Jun 5, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Bronco: "Oh. What do they call that today? When a captured 'patriot' reveals troop locations, number of troops, and planned troop movements?"


            Let's put a musket on YOUR chest and see if you get any chattier....OK....???

             
          • kohana posted at 5:48 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Palin wasn't right all along, but neither was Longfellow, both "out of the box" interpretations. But am so glad you looked up the historical story, not the one taught to 3rd graders. By the time this election is over Frank, you will be well versed in American history, if not world.

            HTC: Yeah, for a moment there I forgot the Senate is divided. Won't hold my breath either.

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:38 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oh. What do they call that today? When a captured 'patriot' reveals troop locations, number of troops, and planned troop movements? Is it still called ' telling the truth?' And had the British been better manned and used that information to their advantage, would we be drinking tea in the afternoons?
            Just asking...

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:08 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Frank: "So Sarah was right all along, and those darned arrogant know-it-all reporters didn't know so much after all. Who woulda thunk it?"

            Good to hear.

            Now, what is the likelihood the New York Slimes will run the real story.....???

             
          • posted at 3:27 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            Posts:

            OK... Even better than I had thought. It wasn't just that Revere was sending a metaphoric warning to the British through his act of rebellion; he actually did tell them that the conoists were coming after them and were well armed...

            Here is a citation of the incident from a reputable Paul Revere website:
            http://www.paul-revere-heritage.com/midnight-ride.html

            "Revere was captured and Dawes tried to run away but was arrested shortly thereafter. The British held Revere and interrogated him with a pistol on his chest. He was asked about the plans of the militia and where they kept their ammunition. When asked where the Patriots were hiding he told them the truth and replied that they had 500 militiamen in Concord protecting them and 1500 coming. As they rode towards Concord he was told that if he tried to escape he would be shot. Half a mile before they reached the Meeting House they heard guns being fired, the British apparently believed what Revere had told them in the interrogation and fearing for their lives released him."

            So Sarah was right all along, and those darned arrogant know-it-all reporters didn't know so much after all. Who woulda thunk it?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:48 pm on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: ...the GOP is now in control of congress and nothing has improved.

            HTC: With the Democrats still in control of the Senate, Congress is currently divided and the current legislative results attest to that reality. If enough Democrats joing the Republicans in the Senate to make meaningful spending cuts as well as lift some of the regulatory and tax burden on business, we may finally start to see the "recovery" gain momentum.

            Considering how difficult it was to extract even a few billion dollars of real cuts from the Democrats, most of whom seem to be betting their re-election chances on maintaining the nanny state, I wouldn't hold my breath.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Frank, I don't hate Palin, I laugh at her and find her immensely amusing which is definitely worse. She is not qualified to play on the world stage, and she is without the intelligence to pick advisers to keep her informed.
            But then neither is Obama. I don't laugh at Obama, he is dangerous with his ignorance and power. His picks are the same old, same old, and Palin's would be as well. the GOP is now in control of congress and nothing has improved. Petty squabbling, with no concrete action, just rhetoric.
            Do you think we need another president that the world will laugh at more than they are laughing at Obama? Both of them ignorant of American history and not even a clue of world history. Not only are they ignorant, but don't have people around them who are any more knowledgeable to advise them.

            Thank you for appreciating Geert Wilder's speech.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 6:33 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            HTC: "Now there's a great idea to campaign on: "patience.""

            The guy simply just can NOT take criticism.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:52 am on Sat, Jun 4, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Frank....." I really don't see why Sarah's outside the box interpretation of Paul Revere's ride is so confusing to you and others.".....Now that I realize she is a plant from the Onion, I'm getting a kick out of her. Thanks for the heads-up.

             
          • posted at 11:06 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Posts:

            Gosh Kohana, I really don't see why Sarah's outside the box interpretation of Paul Revere's ride is so confusing to you and others. Obviously Revere's act of warning the colonists that the British were coming after them was also a warning to the British that the colonists were not going to surrender without a fight. True, it is not presented that way in grade school when it is taught to third-graders, but I think we should be able to look a bit beyond the poetry to the meaning by this point in our history. I would concur with Palin that the actions of Paul Revere were the equivalent of a shot across the bow of the British. It was not as loud as the shot heard round the world, but just as meaningful.

            Anyway, if you hate Sarah, just hang around till Sunday to read my new column. That should really make you upset. We definitely need more "bimbos" like her.

            By the way, I used Geert Wilders' final statement at trial as the Montana Perspectives cover story on Sunday. Thanks for posting it here earlier.

            Frank

             
          • OH WILBER posted at 10:52 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            OH WILBER Posts: 275

            With Sarah Palin's election chances reduced to nil, the Tea Party will now have to find time to solve America's bigger crisis of replacing superman.

            Perhaps the Tea Party will soon look to Bolivia for an superman action figure replacement hero. In Bolivia's cultural mythology, the national superman is black. Bolivia's word is: Sumaya (superman) Morenada (afro-bolivian). Sumaya Morenada referred to the black supermen slaves who could work at high elevations as slaves in the silver mines with increased aerobic capacity with endurance from years of acclimation to higher elevations like Kenya, Africa.

            Bolivia had a work force where never was heard a discouraging word if slaves were hurt, injured or even killed. After all, they were all undocumented illegal aliens and even if the slaves became wise, they could never ever possibly become president without proof of live birth.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:46 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Bronco, I've shared your poetry with friends in ME, NH, and WI. Cheered them immensely, after the rotten weather they are having.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:42 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: So, it's all Obama's fault, eh?

            HTC: Never said that. He and his party have certainly played a significant role in dampening the recovery but it wouldn't be fair to blame it all on them.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:40 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 7:05 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HTC: Now THAT was enjoyable.

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:04 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            There once was a community organizer named Barrack,
            Who said, "The government's got your back.
            "The state is your mama
            "Or my name's not Obama."
            Well we got Osama but we ain't got jack.

             
          • kohana posted at 7:26 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            My post vanished! Bronco, that's wonderful and I love it. ROTFLMAO

             
          • kohana posted at 7:23 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Bronco, that's wonderful, I love it! ROTFLMAO

            Now write one for the rest of the dumb a$$es that think they are qualified to be the LEADER of the USA. And don't leave Obama as he isn't qualified either.

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:05 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Listen my children and you shall hear
            Of Sarah Palin’s tale of Paul Revere.
            On the second of June, in twenty-eleven,
            She put pundits in TV heaven,
            As far from the facts her words did veer.

            She said to a crowd: “He warned the British
            They wouldn’t be takin’ our guns away.
            He rang those bells lickity-splittish
            As he rode his horse though town, hooray!
            And he also sent out warning shots
            To show that security, we’d have lots,
            And that Americans were gonna be free,
            As all of us armed we were gonna be,
            One gun by land, and two if by sea"!

            And on to the next stop rode Sarah Palin;
            And so to the next stop went her entourage, too.
            Greta Van Susteren stuck to them like glue.
            A tour for publicity (not that she’s running),
            More stops in New Hampshire (is that Romney moaning?)
            The “One Nation” tour rolls on in the gloaming.
            For, borne on the right wing of the Party,
            Annoying the haters who think they’re so smarty,
            As the other contenders bore voters to tears,
            Ms. Palin distracts them. That’s what Newt fears.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:59 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            We simply must, must have this woman as our next president! If we are not already the world's laughing stock from the one we have, she would soon correct that. Her ignorance is astonishingly worse than Obama's.

            Sarah Palin walked the Freedom Trail yesterday, but apparently didn't learn much from the experience. She provided reporters with a stumbling rendition of her own version of Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s Midnight Ride of Paul Revere:

            He who warned, uh, the British that they weren’t going to be taking away our arms – uh - by ringing those bells and – um - makin’ sure as he’s riding his horse through town to send those warnin’ shots and bells that – uh - we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.

            For the record, the purpose of Paul Revere’s legendary ride was to warn the rebels that “The British are coming!” – not to warn the British of anything. Palin's latest gaffe is now up on YouTube.

            Frank, would you please stop pushing thses bimbos?

            Why, why don't we have a LEADER that will return the world's respect to the greatest nation in the world?

             
          • OH WILBER posted at 6:41 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            OH WILBER Posts: 275

            Sarah Palin claims Paul Revere warned the British

            http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/sarah-palin-claims-paul-revere-warned-the-british-that-they-werent-gonna-be-takin-away-our-arms.html

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:58 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            So, it's all Obama's fault, eh? Please explain to us peon's how $600Billion of QE2 was spent by the Feds yet only 50 cents on the dollar made it into the Real economy while the 10 biggest banks are now full fledged Commodity Futures players with Morgan Stanley now employing 1800 in their Futures Department and YET, M2(V) has slid into negative territory this past quarter. Explain that one. And ya might as well spell out how Obama is responsible.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:17 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            After two years of the most anemic recovery from any recession since 1945, President Obama said today that there will be "bumps on the road to recovery," as he appealed for patience on the economy following a government report that showed the pace of hiring slowed dramatically last month.

            Now there's a great idea to campaign on: "patience."

            After spending nearly a trillion dollars on his failed "stimulus" which he promised us would prevent unemployment from rising above 8%, and with unemployment heading back towards 10% and housing prices falling again and foreclosures soaring, we're still supposed to believe that recovery is coming.

            And it's Sarah who's delusional?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:06 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            @ Bronco,

            I just noticed that the selection tool in Wordpad dropped part of my previous response; in particular, where I commented on Sarah's statement that "In my opinion any mandate coming from government is not a good thing,"

            I'm sure Sarah is engaging in a bit of exaggeration and she certainly wouldn't be the first pol to do so.

            However, her sentiment is correct - particularly where the federal government is concerned because this federal government has vastly exceeded its constitutional bounds and usurped states' sovereignty. The "mandate" in ObamaCare is one of the best and more recent examples.

            Certainly some "mandates" within the government's constitutional limits are needed and we can all benefit from them; for example, federal laws which bar discrimination in commerce as well as state barriers to out-of-state products or produce.

            But much of the legislation and regulation which Washington has imposed upon us beyond its constitutional powers and either unconstitutional across the board or soley the domain of state governments.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:47 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: But no comment from you regarding Sarah's quote? [""In my opinion any mandate coming from government is not a good thing," Sarah Palin June 2, 2011]

            HTC: OK, I'll comment and then you can share your comments on Obama's endless list of major gaffes, lies, blunders and outright ignorance of the facts as demonstrated by the list I posted a couple of days ago - a list which barely scratches the surface.

            Neither one of them is any kind of Einstein, but at least Palin isn't in the Oval Office and likely never will be.

            Additionally, she opposes the nanny state and wants a return to the level of government actually defined in our Constitution, so I'm far less concerned about her, even if she were to be elected president, than I am about Obama.

            You should be, too.

            Bronco: Good post, Lakeside. Maybe Sarah's prayer shield also deflects facts.

            HTC: There's nothing good about it at all; not surprisingly, the Washington Post got wrong or twisted just as many facts, if not more, than Sarah did.

            First of all, on the subject of aid to Egypt, the WP falsely links Sarah's response to a speech by Obama when her comment was actually in response to aid commitments from the G8, including additional U.S. commitments. Her biggest concern, however, was that we were committing to support a government that hasn't even been defined yet and which might significantly involve factions hostile to the U.S. and Israel.

            Secondly, on the issue of the national debt and foreign aid, Sarah never said that every dollar of foreign aid was being borrowed. That's a strawman argument raised by the Washington Post and is a favorite ploy of the left.

            Still, we are currently borrowing 40% of everything we're spending and that's outrageous. That fact, coupled with the fact that studies have shown that very little of foreign aid accomplishes its intended purpose, we definitely should eliminate most of it.

            As for the national debt itself, the WP only tells part of the story. While it is true that foreign central banks own just 28% of the debt, when you also include foreign financial institutions and private investors, it jumps to almost 60%. That means that almost $8.5 TRILLION in principal and over $250 billion a year in interest is leaving our shores for foreign pockets.

            How long do you think any economic engine can thrive with that kind of "fuel leak?"

            The WP's editorial position on this subject is akin to folks at the stearn of the Titanic claiming that only the bow of the ship is sinking.

            While the WP did accurately point out that the award for largest ownership of that debt by a single entity goes to the federal government itself (Social Security, Medicare and QE debt), they note that fact as though it's no big deal whereas it's exactly those massive unfunded liabilities that will kill us when the boomers all retire.

            They then take issue with her comparing Social Security to a Ponzi scheme when that's exactly how most economists refer to it. Not only that, they talk about the "Trust Fund" as though it actually represents a pot of money somewhere that SS can draw down when it's really nothing more than tens of trillions of dollars more in unfunded liabilities.

            Clearly no one at the WP could even pass an Econ 101 exam.

            As for Sarah's comment that the "stimulus" bill was a massive failure, most economists would agree with her and not the WP's lame effort to defend it. To quibble over her referring to it as a trillion dollar expense when it was "only" 80% of that is a clear sign of the WP's desperation in trying to defend an administration they're still fawning all over.

            Lastly, Sarah got a lot more correct than the WP did on the oil exploration and drilling issue, which isn't surprising. Either they're all idiots at the WP or partisan hacks - take your pick.

            The Obama administration has reduced the number of new DRILLING permits issued by almost 60% since the BP spill. Just as importantly, they seek to confuse actually drilling permits with leases granted. Anyone in the oil business will tell you that this administration has increased the number of leases but dragged its feet on actually allowing leaseholders to drill.

            Some companies are considering suing the government because they've paid for dozens of leases but can't do anything with them.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:55 pm on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            @ Rebel Rouser,

            Just keep on smokin' that good sh_t, man. It's doing wonders for your analytical skills.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:07 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC, I support the mandate drug testing too. But no comment from you regarding Sarah's quote?
            "In my opinion any mandate coming from government is not a good thing."

            mandate
            noun
            an official order or commission to do something

            Perhaps the Palin administration will be the do-nothing government. Another Party of No.


             
          • Bronco posted at 10:16 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Good post, Lakeside. Maybe Sarah's prayer shield also deflects facts.

            HTC, we'll see this fall. I hope that's not a double entendre'.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:02 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            “Senator Obama said he wants to quote ‘spread the wealth.’ What that means is he wants government to take your money and dole it out however a politician sees fit,” Palin said in October 2008.

            Obama sure is a powerful man to be able to single handedly do all of that, must not be a Republican out there as smart (or as powerful) as he is.

            Yes, yes, I can see it now, the future, where less than 10% of the population of the world own everything and the other 90% are as poor as dry mud. HTC can proclaim to be their whipping boy.

            But, back on topic, isn't that Sarah Palin just a breath of fresh air? Cough, cough, choke!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:00 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: mandatory drug testing is all fine and dandy to dictate, and all the better if your personal bottom line increases because of it. aw, the republican way.

            HTC: That would be the AMERICAN way, since polls consistently show overwhelming support for drug testing of those on public assistance.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:44 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            @ LakesideMt,

            Considering Obama's impressive "bushel of Pinocchios" of his own, can we assume that you also regard him to be an idiot?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:41 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            LakesideMt: LakesideMt: I am shocked, shocked, I mean SHOCKED, that Bronco does not accept the impartial wisdom of these obviously unbiased 150 economists! SHOCKED, I tell you!

            HTC: You'd be demonstrating much better judgment if you were to express shock at the fact that Bronco continues to lecture on economics even though he's confessed to not knowing much about it and not having any interest in enlightening himself on the subject.

            But then, you guys are progressives and progressives go with whatever FEELS right at the moment.

            LakesideMt: (Boehner-Backing Economists Have Deep Republican Ties)

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/05/boehner-economists-republican-ties_n_844941.html

            HTC: Well, of course, they have Republican ties, silly. They understand what's actually going on. That fact alone prevents them from ever being aligned with the Democrats.


             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:27 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            mandatory drug testing is all fine and dandy to dictate, and all the better if your personal bottom line increases because of it. aw, the republican way.

             
          • LakesideMt posted at 9:19 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            LakesideMt Posts: 377

            I'm just sayin' it would be alot easier to like her if she could get the facts straight - what would Dorothy think!

            Sarah Palin collects a bushel of Pinocchios on her bus tour

            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/sarah-palin-collects-a-bushel-of-pinocchios-on-her-bus-tour/2011/06/02/AGkNAbHH_blog.html#pagebreak

            Really, you should read this article....Palin is an idoit. I'm sorry she just is - can't you teapartiers like a smart woman? I mean, I don't care for Michele Bachman or a few of the others, but at least they aren't as dumb as a rock.

             
          • LakesideMt posted at 9:12 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            LakesideMt Posts: 377

            Pete to Bronco: What in he// are you talking about?

            "150 Economists Back US Republicans in Debt Fight"

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/43234290

            -----------------------------------
            LakesideMt: I am shocked, shocked, I mean SHOCKED, that Bronco does not accept the impartial wisdom of these obviously unbiased 150 economists! SHOCKED, I tell you!

            (Boehner-Backing Economists Have Deep Republican Ties)

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/05/boehner-economists-republican-ties_n_844941.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Obama's economic policies are working so well, unemployment is climbing again:

            http://tinyurl.com/3tdbrxr

            http://tinyurl.com/43szkpc

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 9:03 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            We can't go on the way we are and we aren't coming up with any solutions.

            I fear the worst.

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:29 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            The democrat party has secured the media and public school systems for good reason, just look where it has gotton them.

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:23 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            HTC: It doesn't; however, if you aren't already aware of the fact that liberals have been running our public school system for several decades now, you really have been asleep. But HTC its for the children. Ya right.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Pete: What in he// are you talking about?

            "150 Economists Back US Republicans in Debt Fight"

            HTC: As usual, Bronco has no frickin idea what he's talking about; after all, he supports the Democrats who fought tooth and nail to prevent a mere $4 billion in cuts to a nearly $4 TRILLION dollar budget when even the CBO had quickly identified over $200 billion in waste and duplicated spending in the federal budget.

            At that rate it's going to be impossible to make the deep and quick cuts in social spending that we need to enact to avoid the economic train wreck that's coming - a train wreck that the Democrats DELUSIONALLY believe isn't coming.

            But defending the indefensible is what good little lap dogs like Bronco find themselves reflexively doing all the time.

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            Frank: It is just such lackadaisical acceptance of the “fundamental transformation” of America that the left-wing media has proposed for the American public in today’s political battle. And it is because of Palin’s loud and lingering insistence that America should be “restored” to its former constitutional ideals — not transformed — that she has been caricatured as a “cocky wacko,” (Sen. Lincoln Chaffee) a “Nazi” (comedian Joan Rivers) and “profoundly stupid” (MSNBC host Chris Matthews).

            I dont see how any american citizen could disagree with that.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:09 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Pete: "Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money"

            HTC: Isn't it amazing how far they'll reach to try to defend the indefensible? There was a time when progressives knew where not to go in their arguments because it would only make them appear stupid. Now, they're so stupid they can't even see the line anymore.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:04 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: How does one yearbook in one school in Arkansas somehow prove that all schools are full of Liberal B.S.?

            HTC: It doesn't; however, if you aren't already aware of the fact that liberals have been running our public school system for several decades now, you really have been asleep.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:03 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: So if the Republicans are wrong and the economists are right and we are plunged into bankruptcy because of the Republicans failure to listen to experts.....

            HTC: What the heck are you talking about?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:01 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: Then you agree that Sarah is delusional?

            HTC: What I KNOW is that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence; in other words, while I don't share her belief, I can't disprove it.

            What Sarah is calling a "prayer shield" is just a different way of describing divine intervention in response to prayer, a concept that even your beloved Obama has professed to believe in.

            So, if Sarah is delusional, we're in really trouble because that means we have a deluded idiot in the Oval Office right now.

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:57 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            pete: A smattering of other "delusional" prayers. Let me see....Patton or Bronco? Lincoln or Bronco? Graham or Bronco? Washington or Bronco? Jefferson or Bronco? Reagan or Bronco? I'd take Sarah's crowd any day, and leave the little man with the perpetual bitter beer face to sulk in the corner nursing his incessant antipathy toward truth. Good post.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:40 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Assisted-Suicide Doctor Jack Kevorkian Dead

            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/03/assisted-suicide-advocate-jack-kevorkian-reportedly-dies-at-michigan-hospital/

            Rob and Bronco....please ignore....FoxNews is lying, and 'ol Jack is alive and well on a tropical island sipping Mai Tai's with Elvis, Andy Kaufman and that alien from Roswell.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:17 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            "How does one yearbook in one school in Arkansas somehow prove that all schools are full of Liberal B.S.?"

            As if that's the only example...or the only news organization that reported it. You're fact challenged - as usual.

            http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/yearbook-causes-controversy-afer-it-names-george-w-bush-in-list-of-worst-people-of-all-time

             
          • Pete posted at 7:07 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            A smattering of other "delusional" prayers. Let me see....Patton or Bronco? Lincoln or Bronco? Graham or Bronco? Washington or Bronco? Jefferson or Bronco? Reagan or Bronco? I'd take Sarah's crowd any day, and leave the little man with the perpetual bitter beer face to sulk in the corner nursing his incessant antipathy toward truth.

            General George S. Patton, U.S. Army

            'God of our fathers, who by land and sea have ever lead us to victory, please continue your inspiring guidance in this the greatest of all conflicts.
            Strengthen my soul so that the weakening instinct of self-preservation, which besets all of us in battle, shall not blind me to my duty to my own manhood, to the glory of my calling, and to my responsibility to my fellow soldiers.
            Grant to our armed forces that disciplined valor and mutual confidence which insures success in war.
            Let me not mourn for the men who have died fighting, but rather let me be glad that such heroes have lived. If it be my lot to die, let me do so with courage and honor in a manner which will bring the greatest harm to the enemy, and please, oh Lord, protect and guide those I shall not leave behind.
            Give us the victory, Lord."

            General George S. Patton, U.S. Army


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            A Prayer for Peace

            Abraham Lincoln

            "Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet if God wills that it continues... until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid another drawn with the sword... so still it must be said that the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.


            With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and for his orphans, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and a lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

            --Second Inaugural address, March 4, 1865

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            Billy Graham's Prayer for the Nation
            "Our Father and Our God, we praise You for Your goodness to our nation, giving us blessings far beyond what we deserve. Yet we know all is not right with America. We deeply need a moral and spiritual renewal to help us meet the many problems we face. Convict us of sin. Help us to turn to You in repentance and faith. Set our feet on the path of Your righteousness and peace. We pray today for our nation's leaders. Give them the wisdom to know what is right, and the courage to do it. You have said, "Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord." May this be a new era for America, as we humble ourselves and acknowledge You alone as our Savior and Lord. This we pray in Your holy name, Amen."

            --- Billy Graham

            A Prayer for Guidance

            George Washington"O eternal and everlasting God, I presume to present myself this morning before thy Divine majesty, beseeching thee to accept of my humble and hearty thanks, that it hath pleased thy great goodness to keep and preserve me the night past from all the dangers poor mortals are subject to, and has given me sweet and pleasant sleep, whereby I find my body refreshed and comforted for performing the duties of this day, in which I beseech thee to defend me from all perils of body and soul....


            Increase my faith in the sweet promises of the gospel; give me repentance from dead works; pardon my wanderings, and direct my thoughts unto thyself, the God of my salvation; teach me how to live in thy fear, labor in thy service, and ever to run in the ways of thy commandments; make me always watchful over my heart, that neither the terrors of conscience, the loathing of holy duties, the love of sin, nor an unwillingness to depart this life, may cast me into a spiritual slumber, but daily frame me more and more into the likeness of thy son Jesus Christ, that living in thy fear, and dying in thy favor, I may in thy appointed time attain the resurrection of the just unto eternal life bless my family, friends, and kindred."

            --A prayer from Washington's prayer journal, Mount Vernon


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            A Prayer for Healing

            Ronald Reagan
            "To preserve our blessed land we must look to God... It is time to realize that we need God more than He needs us... We also have His promise that we could take to heart with regard to our country, that "If my people, which are called by my name shall humble themselves, and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

            Let us, young and old, join together, as did the First Continental Congress, in the first step, in humble heartfelt prayer. Let us do so for the love of God and His great goodness, in search of His guidance and the grace of repentance, in seeking His blessings, His peace, and the resting of His kind and holy hands on ourselves, our nation, our friends in the defense of freedom, and all mankind, now and always.

            The time has come to turn to God and reassert our trust in Him for the healing of America... Our country is in need of and ready for a spiritual renewal. Today, we utter no prayer more fervently than the ancient prayer for peace on Earth.

            If I had a prayer for you today, among those that have all been uttered, it is that one we're so familiar with: "The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make His face to shine upon you and be gracious unto you; the Lord lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace...." And God bless you all."

            -- A speech to the American people, February 6, 1986


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            A Prayer for the Nation

            Thomas Jefferson

            "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners. Save us from violence, discord, and confusion, from pride and arrogance, and from every evil way. Defend our liberties, and fashion into one united people, the multitude brought hither out of many kindreds and tongues. Endow with Thy spirit of wisdom those whom in Thy name we entrust the authority of government, that there may be justice and peace at home, and that through obedience to Thy law, we may show forth Thy praise among the nations of the earth. In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

            --Washington D.C., March 4, 1801

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:33 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Can Prayer Shields really work in the arena of Politics and Economics? Why not Prayer Flags like the Buddhists? You put one up, let it flap in the wind, then lead some rich Americans up Mount Everest knowing that your thoughts will blow in the wind even if the avalanche kills you? Kind of a neat notion. I must admit, neither do much for me, but a Prayer Shield seems awfully defensive? What is one trying to protect? I really don't understand, although Sarah being a political animal, using such words could influence donations from the '700 club' type donors?
            I await the avalanche...................

             
          • Pete posted at 5:14 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 12:29 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011

            What in he// are you talking about?

            "150 Economists Back US Republicans in Debt Fight"

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/43234290

             
          • Pete posted at 5:07 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            "Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, earn less money"

            http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money

            Penalize success. Encourage mediocrity. Reward failure.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:49 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            NatRes: "More typical liberal BS in the shcool sytems. "

            How does one yearbook in one school in Arkansas somehow prove that all schools are full of Liberal B.S.? Oh, it's from Fox News.....Never mind.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:29 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            So if the Republicans are wrong and the economists are right and we are plunged into bankruptcy because of the Republicans failure to listen to experts, do we still blame Obama and rally behind the Republicans? What a great opportunity for the Republicans...self-extinction.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:24 am on Fri, Jun 3, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: If "prayer shields" did work...
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            Then you agree that Sarah is delusional?
            ...as in...
            delusional
            noun; an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:37 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: "If "prayer shields" did work..."
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            Careful, you are undermining Frank's pinup girl and the Tea Party's great white hype.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:04 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            The Debt-Limit Drama
            House Republicans catch Democrats flat-footed.
            By JAMES TARANTO
            The Wall Street Journal

            Be careful what you wish for. On April 15, Rep. Peter Welch (D., Vt.) sent a letter to Democratic House leaders asking them "to convene the caucus and establish a Democratic position in favor of a clean extension of the debt limit": "To do otherwise, or to threaten to do so, or to leverage our duty to pay our bills into a partisan advantage in budget disputes, jeopardizes the full faith and credit of the United States of America."

            The letter had 114 signatures. Yesterday Welch and his colleagues got their way as the House voted on a clean debt-limit extension. The proposal was rejected by an overwhelming vote of 318-97. Of the 110 voting signatories to the Welch letter who participated in the vote, 30 welshed on their promise and voted "no"; an additional 5 voted "present." (The overall vote among Dems was 97 yes, 82 no, 7 present. One of the Welsh signers missed the vote, and three are nonvoting delegates from insular territories.)

            The background: The federal government is at or near its statutory limit of approximately $14.3 trillion in debt. That means the Treasury cannot borrow more money without congressional authorization. In theory, a failure to raise the debt limit could eventually lead to a default on U.S. government debt. Because everyone agrees this outcome would be catastrophic, Congress will in due course raise the debt ceiling.

            But Republicans control the House, debt is unpopular, and a fiscal catastrophe would hit a president seeking re-election harder than any other politician, Thus the need for a debt-ceiling increase gives the GOP leverage to win policy concessions (read spending cuts).

            The White House evidently recognizes it is going to have to make concessions, as evidenced by this Associated Press report:

            The administration appeared eager to avoid criticizing Republicans.

            "It's fine, it's fine," presidential press secretary Jay Carney said when asked about the Republican decision to tie spending cuts with more borrowing.

            "We believe they should not be linked because there is no alternative that's acceptable to raising the debt ceiling. But we're committed to reducing the deficit," Carney said.

            The Hill reports that Steny Hoyer, the House Democratic whip, said before the vote that "he was advising Democrats to oppose the measure to avoid political attacks from Republicans":

            Members, he said, should not "subject themselves to a political 30-second ad attack."

            "My advice to them would be not to play this political charade," Hoyer said at his weekly press briefing.

            But it was a trap, not a charade. Even Democratic blogger Josh Marshall acknowledges that the GOP took "a totally fair shot" at the Dems. For the 82 Democrats who voted "no," Marshall argues, following Hoyer's advice amounts to "surrendering your whole legislative strategy"--that is, conceding that Republicans may use the debt-limit vote to win concessions on spending.

            But the 97 who voted "yes" also put themselves on record in favor of more debt and against spending cuts in general--a politically as well as fiscally perilous position. Spending is popular in particular, not in general.

            For that reason, one shouldn't overestimate the importance of the House Republicans' tactical victory. As David Malpass observes in today's Wall Street Journal:

            In this game of chicken, the executive branch drives a Mack truck: As the Treasury Department exhausts its emergency resources, the White House gets to choose the course of the government shutdown, appeal the cuts to the American people, and pressure members of Congress to go along.

            Malpass urges Republicans to push for systemic spending reforms, not just cuts.

            Meanwhile, in making the futile case for a no-strings-attached debt-limit increase, Josh Marshall observes: "In any sane system, you just pay your bills." That is not without a grain of truth. So why are Marshall and his party so determined to put an increasing share of America's economy under the control of the insane system that is the federal government?

             
          • naturalresources posted at 7:10 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            More typical liberal BS in the shcool sytems.
            What do George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have in common with Adolf Hitler, Usama bin Laden and Charles Manson?
            They've been named the "Top 5 worst people of all time" in a yearbook published by a middle school in Russellville, Ark.
            School administrators say they don't know how the former president and vice president ended up in the book, and the school district covered the list with a piece of black tape when parents spotted it after its printing.


            Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/02/yearbook-names-bush-cheney-among-top-5-all-time-worst-behind-bin-laden-hitler/#ixzz1OAerVczh

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:07 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: This past week, Florida adopted two new drug testing requirements: one imposed on welfare recipients and the other on state employees. The irony is that these quintessential illustrations of Big Government were promoted by the Tea Party and one of its darlings, Governor Rick Scott.
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            Wasn't the Tea Party all about restoring limits on our government and protecting our constitutional rights?
            The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly held that government-mandated drug testing is a "search" governed by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

            HTC: I see you're still be tossed about on the great intellectual sea and with no life preserver either.

            The drug tests aren't being forced upon them as part of any effort to prosecute them criminally. If that were the case, they would be violating their rights.

            But that's NOT what's going on here and what we have here has long ago been upheld as constitutional. If you don't want to take the test, you lose your welfare/state job (pretty much the same thing in many cases), but you aren't facing criminal prosecution for anything.

            Tea Party types would rather eliminate the welfare thing altogether but, since that doesn't seem likely at this time, they'll settle for not supporting dopeheads.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:01 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: Um, I believe he's mocking her delusion; not her religious beliefs. In a world where 'prayer shields' exist, religious nations wouldn't have their World Trade Centers destroyed, oil slicks and deficits the size of Texas, Arab Springs, Palestines, Katrinas, sunblock 45 SPF, or Democratic presidents.

            HTC: If "prayer shields" did work, there wouldn't be any progressives either since they're clearly the spawn of the devil.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:55 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: That is your Right Wing take. Fine, take it. But don't put words in my mouth.

            HTC: That's hardly a Right Wing take and, since it's impossible to plant an idea in your head, why would I waste my time trying to put words in your mouth? Besides, you've got no more room in there anyway.

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:28 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            "In my opinion any mandate coming from government is not a good thing," Sarah Palin June 2, 2011
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            This past week, Florida adopted two new drug testing requirements: one imposed on welfare recipients and the other on state employees. The irony is that these quintessential illustrations of Big Government were promoted by the Tea Party and one of its darlings, Governor Rick Scott.
            ------------------------------------------------------
            Wasn't the Tea Party all about restoring limits on our government and protecting our constitutional rights?
            The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly held that government-mandated drug testing is a "search" governed by the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:41 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: to WEH "So you're mocking Palin because of her religious beliefs. You must be one of those TOLERANT progressives."
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            Um, I believe he's mocking her delusion; not her religious beliefs. In a world where 'prayer shields' exist, religious nations wouldn't have their World Trade Centers destroyed, oil slicks and deficits the size of Texas, Arab Springs, Palestines, Katrinas, sunblock 45 SPF, or Democratic presidents.

             
          • Two-gun Kate posted at 3:13 pm on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Two-gun Kate Posts: 83

            HTC: to WEH "So you're mocking Palin because of her religious beliefs. You must be one of those TOLERANT progressives."


            Ironic isn’t it? The preaching and intolerance that must be endured here, isn't coming from religious people, it comes from the anti-belief in a God people. And I don't mean atheists, as it has been my experience that most atheists respect the belief of others, so long as someone isn't pushing beliefs onto them. Whereas with the anti-belief in God people, their overt evangelism usually comes in an interjected form with a clear motive not to enlighten, but simply to irritate. In my view, just about anything you could think of to do would be more constructive. Wash some dishes maybe?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:58 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            "HTC: So, from your perspective, the American people are just innocent victims of the "moneyed class" and played no role in their own demise."

            That is your Right Wing take. Fine, take it. But don't put words in my mouth.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:50 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123 posted at 3:14 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HTC: So, from your perspective, the American people are just innocent victims of the "moneyed class" and played no role in their own demise.

            How thoroughly progressive of you.

            Apparently, the fact that millions of them chose to drop out of high school, which cost them nothing, has nothing to do with their poor station in life.

            That millions of them chose to have children out of wedlock and before they even finished high school, again has nothing to do with their struggle in life.

            That tens of millions allowed themselves to become dependent upon government programs and made little if any effort to improve their circumstances, once again that's irrelevant.

            Also blameless are the tens upon tens of millions of Americans who stood idly by while leftist "professional" educators destroyed our public school system, leaving their children functionally illiterate and barely qualified to be a Walmart greeter.

            For decades I've heard Americans from all parts of the political spectrum acknowledging that we have to do something to repair our public education system; yet they've done nothing other than approve bond measures for new schools, many of which weren't needed, and support political leaders who successfully resisted any REAL efforts to reform the system.

            As the value of the relatively unskilled American worker declined and, with it, subsequent generations' work ethic, unions became the answer to force unsustainable wages and benefits from America's businesses and higher taxes on businesses and the "rich" became the way to pay for the fast growing list of things they wanted government to provide.

            Then they blamed "corporate greed" when those businesses and capital fled our shores in order to compete in what was becoming a truly global economy.

            Even today, as the nanny state's cost is threatening to destroy our economy and our childrens' futures, a majority of Americans don't want the cure - the ONLY cure - which is massive cuts in social spending.

            The reality they rage against is one of their own making. There's nothing "progressive" about the destruction of what was once the greatest economy and the highest standard of living on the planet.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HTC..."Today's Obama flub..."

            He should have reserved a seat for his teleprompter.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:35 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HTC..."More amazing is that there are so many idiots that actually buy his crap."

            ...and regurgitate it almost word for word.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:25 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: And with a supply chain kink in Japan, caused by the Melt Down of 3 of 4 reactors and a dead zone as big as Chernobyl; with the engineering of a Tomb to contain the nuclear leak expected to take 10-30 years without any guarantees it can handle the next earthquake in an exceptional earthquake zone;....

            HTC: Still getting your news from the "braindead zone", I see.

            The "dead zone" at Fukushima doesn't even begin to compare in size to that at Chernobyl which covered much of Russia, the Ukraine and Belarus. Dangerous amounts of Cesium 137 and other radioactive compounds also peppered Sweden, Finland and Austria. Radioactive iodine was showing up in cow's milk over large swaths of Europe. The differences are immense because the two disasters differ substantially in how they occurred: Chernobyl blew up while Fukushima fizzled and melted. In size, you're comparing an ant to an elephant.

            Also, the real experts on these things scoff at the suggestions that entombing the site will take decades. That's just more greenie weenie fear mongering.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:37 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

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            Pete posted at 7:30 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HTC: Another great Michael Moore moment. Moore is VERY good at making lots of money hawking incredible lies.

            More amazing is that there are so many idiots that actually buy his crap.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:16 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            @ WEH,

            So you're mocking Palin because of her religious beliefs. You must be one of those TOLERANT progressives.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Today's Obama flub - Obama toasts the queen:

            http://tinyurl.com/3c56urr

             
          • Pete posted at 7:30 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob...Wow...quite the stream of consciousness dissertation of progressive ideology. Michael Moore would be proud.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzfd_sNw2-Y

             
          • WEH posted at 6:22 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            WEH Posts: 12

            Today's Palinism......"It's going to keep on coming, and you know, I feel like I have a prayer shield in front of me that deflects a lot of that. I just want to make sure that for my loved ones, for my parents, for my spouse and my children and those close to me, that they have that tool to deflect also so that they're not adversely affected."—on criticism from the media, in an interview with Fox News' Greta Van Susteren, May 19, 2011

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:14 am on Thu, Jun 2, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:36 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.
            Economic Outlook Darkens....WSJ....

            Yes it does.....very dark.....not as dark as 2007-2008, but not as good as a housing bubble with a war-on-a-credit-card, that's for sure. Hindsight is 20-20, eh? And with a supply chain kink in Japan, caused by the Melt Down of 3 of 4 reactors and a dead zone as big as Chernobyl; with the engineering of a Tomb to contain the nuclear leak expected to take 10-30 years without any guarantees it can handle the next earthquake in an exceptional earthquake zone; and Germany deciding to shut down all of it's nuclear energy plants by 2022 and 'going green and renewable'; while American Corporations sit on the largest Cash Horde in the History of Mankind as they fear spending anything on expansion of manufacturing but instead pick off suitable rivals that fit their economic matrix while eliminating pesky competition; and the Middle Class in America continues to shrink and deleaverage yet finds it's biggest asset, the Family Home, still losing it's value and wages stagnant.......unless, of course, your in the top 5% where income is still growing for the successful, but not everyone. Ah, what a mess......The only thing moving rapidly is the Volatility Index (VIX), a true Casino for the Moneyed Class ("Hand Off!" Scream the Constitutional Republicans by way of their Media Holdings and their Populace spokespersons.) . The rest of us just sit and stew and drift towards Authoritarianism With a Smile, waiting for Friday's Employment Report to tell us how we are doing and which number to bet on. What a reality? And the Right's drumbeat that it's all the Progressives Fault because they were to successful in securing wages and benefits ("But! But! We were the blokes who built then bought the whidgets from your factories! Don't you get it?") and has nothing to do with automation and Cash Hoarding by the Elite. In fact, if taxes were lower amongst the Elite, Money would actually trickle down, THIS time. Of course, they don't mention it just might trickle down into a sexy Emerging Market, but hey, Full Disclosure is a Moral, not Legal, nicety.

            The Message is the Massage! And if you don't believe it, wait until HTC wakes up and adds his Retort from Right Field.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:36 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

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            Economic Outlook Darkens
            Markets Stumble as Factories, Hiring Slow Down; Biggest Drop in Stocks in a Year
            The Wall Street Journal | June 2, 2011
            By JONATHAN CHENG And JUSTIN LAHART

            The drumbeat of bad news about the U.S. economy got louder on Wednesday, rattling financial markets and driving stocks to their biggest drop in a year.

            The U.S. factory sector, which has been an engine of the recovery, notched its biggest one-month slowdown since 1984 as companies hit the brakes on hiring and production. Another report showed private-sector hiring dropped precipitously in May, prompting economists to ratchet down their expectations for the closely watched non-farm payrolls report due on Friday.

            The Dow Jones Industrial Average tumbled 279.65 points, or 2.2%, to 12290.14, its biggest point decline since June for of last year. Investors piled into the safety of Treasury bonds, sending yields on the 10-year note below 3% for the first time this year. Yields move in the opposite direction of price.

            Private businesses barely added jobs in May as large companies cut workers, according to a report released Wednesday.

            The dreary economic reports could pose a political problem for President Barack Obama. The White House had hoped that a more robust recovery would take hold this summer, laying the ground for steady growth and declining unemployment during next year's election season.

            Now the indications of prolonged sluggishness raise doubts about how vigorous any election-year recovery will be, and even Democrats admitted that could be a problem.

            "Clearly any president is hurt to some degree by poor economic performance," said House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D.,Md.).

            Wednesday's reports marked a notable shift in sentiment, particularly among stock investors, who have largely shrugged off signs of economic weakness, choosing to focus on strong corporate-earnings growth. The slowdown of manufacturing output could crimp those profits.

            The disappointing U.S. economic data followed poor manufacturing reports around the globe. The numbers, together with evidence of a continuing downdraft in housing and signs that companies and consumers remain apprehensive about spending, suggest the economy is rapidly losing speed.

            To be sure, the slowdown could be short-lived. Economists predict some problems now hampering growth, including soaring gasoline prices and supply-chain disruptions caused by Japan's tsunami, will moderate in months ahead. But with unemployment high, the housing market moribund and ongoing financial turmoil in Europe, the slowdown could turn into something more ominous.

            "It definitely makes me more nervous about the outlook," says Morgan Stanley economist David Greenlaw. "The economy can't withstand much more than a temporary slowing at this point."

            The danger for the White House is that Republicans will seize on continuing sluggishness to argue that the administration's measures to rev up the economy swelled the budget deficit without producing results. The slowdown also could complicate the battle in Washington over whether to cut spending now to tame that budget deficit, or to instead continue pumping stimulus into the economy.

            The White House said the latest economic indicators have not changed the president's approach to bipartisan discussions on deficit reduction.

            Ron Bloom, Mr. Obama's adviser on manufacturing policy, said the slowdown is largely due to "external factors," such as disruptions in supply chains caused by the nuclear disaster in Japan and the recent run-up in gas prices. "The long-term trend on manufacturing since the bottom of the recession is quite positive, and I think we remain optimistic that manufacturing has a good future," Mr. Bloom said.

            The economic bumps have echoes of 12 months ago, when the economy was stalling and stocks declining. That led the Federal Reserve to initiate a second round of quantitative easing, known as QE2. That program to buy $600 billion of U.S. Treasury notes is scheduled to end on June 30, adding to investors' nervousness.

            Some investors argue that the stock market is in better shape than it was a year ago. The Dow is down about 4% since April 29, but remains up 6.2% this year. Stocks have marched steadily higher for the past two years, and are now 13% below their all-time Dow high of 14164.53, reached in October 2007.

            The Dow's tumble on Wednesday reversed a four-day winning streak. All 30 of the Dow component stocks declined, along with all but 10 stocks in the Standard and Poor's 500-stock index. Financial stocks were the biggest drag on the market, as investors fretted about the hit to lenders amid a weaker economy. Bank of America tumbled 4.3% and Citigroup fell 3.7%.

            Treasuries rose, extending a streak that has surprised many investors, in part because the gains come amid worries about the U.S. government's mounting debt pile, wrangling over the government's debt ceiling and the pending end to QE2.

            The yield on the 10-year Treasury note, a benchmark for 30-year mortgage rates, has dropped from 3.72% in February to 2.964%.

            The Institute for Supply Management's manufacturing index for May, based on a survey of purchasing managers, fell to 53.5 from 60.4 in April. Any measure over 50 represents growth. homosexual Messinger, chief executive of Power Curbers Inc. in Salisbury, N.C., which makes machines to lay curbs and sidewalks, said customers had expected conditions to start improving. "But we've seen people's optimism back off," he said.

            Payroll firm Automatic Data Processing Inc. and consultancy Macroeconomic Advisers said the private sector added 38,000 jobs in May, down from 177,000 in April. That prompted economists to slice their estimates for Friday\'s Labor Department report. They expect the economy to add 160,000 jobs in May, down from 183,000 anticipated earlier, and the 244,000 added in April, according to a Dow Jones Newswires survey.

            The automobile sector, in particular, has been hit by Japan's supply-chain disruptions. Honda Motor Co. on Wednesday said U.S. vehicle sales fell 23% in May, while Toyota Motor Corp.'s dropped 33%. Ford Motor Co. reported a 0.1% decline and General Motors Co. a 1.2% drop.

            —Steven Russolillo, Janet Hook, Bob Hagerty and Carol E. Lee contributed to this article.

             
          • Bronco posted at 8:32 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Jesus H. Christ. He's Muslim. He's not a Christian. He doesn't go to church. He goes to the wrong church. He's a Protestant. He's a Christian. He doesn't pray. He prays wrong. He wants others to pray. He says we're a Christian nation. He says we're no longer a Christian nation. He cancels Prayer Day.

            All you holier-than-thou Christian Republicans must pray every day. But he's still President. Your god has abandoned you. I will pray to Yeti for your salvation and dental health. Come, join me as we face Oregon. Now stoop forward like you're real tall. Yeti sees you. Praise Yeti! Pasta la vista, baby.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: We really ought to get rid of these two as obviously prayer isn't working.

            HTC: :)

             
          • kohana posted at 8:14 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Our president is so embarrassing, no class, no manners, no logic, so sad. Declared a day of protestant prayers the first part of May, guess Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, other deities, or mMuslim prayers don't count for much.

            Release of the Senate and House budgets reveals some decent money being made by two chaplains.
            In 2010, Senate Chaplain Barry C. Black makes $151,000 a year, according to the Capitol News Connection. Black also has a chief of staff, communications director and an executive assistant helping him do his job.

            House Chaplain Daniel P. Coughlin’s office receives $179,000, of which $172,500 goes toward his salary.

            What exactly are their jobs? Besides giving prayers before sessions, the chaplains counsel politicians by appointment.

            We really ought to get rid of these two as obviously prayer isn't working.

             
          • Pete posted at 3:33 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            kohana posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Very good indeed.

             
          • Pete posted at 3:27 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 12:27 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            1. Maybe you should ask Obama and add Afghanistan and Libya to the question? I want us out of all three places.

            2. I wouldn't spend it...that's never my first instinct...unless it was to pay down debt matched by spending reductions.

            3. The progressive "war on poverty" is our longest running conflict and has cost us more treasure and created more casualties than all our wars combined. Maybe a strategy shift? Or maybe the Feds should just withdraw to the lines delineated in the Constitution and not engage in conflicts they are not competent to win. *

            * You can apply answer #3 to every other program you listed and dozens more.

            4. The "military industrial complex" has nothing on the symbiotic behemoth that is the Progressive Movement / Big Government.

            5. I hope you're enjoying your new dog...you realize of course, that now you'll have to ride in the back seat?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            OH WILBER: It has been a month now since Superman renounced his US citizenship, and there are still no outcrying demands from the Tea Party Birther's for valid proof of live birth records. Since Superman was never formally adopted, he would be classified as an illegal alien. By the logic of most conservatives, he does not therefore have US citizenship to renounce.

            HTC: OK, so you're going to try to back up some mythological progressive "idea" with the fictional life experiences of a comic book character.

            You progressives really are getting desperate.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:44 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            @ WEH,

            Well, at least Sarah is just another private citizen and not actually president or vice president. Here's a sample of some of Obama's illuminating moments (I'll spare you Biden's best moments):

            "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems." –attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare, while simultaneously undercutting his own argument, Portsmouth, N.H., Aug. 11, 2009

            "We're not trying to push financial reform because we begrudge success that's fairly earned. I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service. We don’t want people to stop, ah, fulfilling the core responsibilities of the financial system to help grow our economy." —on Wall Street reform, Quincy, Ill., April 29, 2010

            "One such translator was an American of Haitian descent, representative of the extraordinary work that our men and women in uniform do all around the world -- Navy Corpse-Man Christian Brossard." –mispronouncing "Corpsman" (the "ps" is silent) during a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, D.C., Feb. 5, 2010 (The Corpsman's name is also Christopher, not Christian)

            "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." --Tampa, Fla., Jan. 28, 2010

            "The reforms we seek would bring greater competition, choice, savings and inefficiencies to our health care system." --in remarks after a health care roundtable with physicians, nurses and health care providers, Washington, D.C., July 20, 2009

            "It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." --confusing German for "Austrian," a language which does not exist, Strasbourg, France, April 6, 2009

            "No, no. I have been practicing...I bowled a 129. It's like -- it was like Special Olympics, or something." --making an off-hand joke during an appearance on "The Tonight Show", March 19, 2009 (Obama later called the head of the Special Olympics to apologize)

            "I didn't want to get into a Nancy Reagan thing about doing any seances." --after saying he had spoken with all the living presidents as he prepared to take office, Washington, D.C., Nov. 7, 2008 (Obama later called Nancy Reagan to apologize)

            "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." -- defending his tax plan to Joe the Plumber, who argued that Obama's policy hurts small-business owners like himself, Toledo, Ohio, Oct. 12, 2008

            "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." --in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified (Watch video clip)

            "I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

            "Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

            "Just this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

            "Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

            "How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

            "On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

            "Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers

            "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

            "Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

            "It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

            "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

            "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

            "You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

            "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people

            “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.” - Obama claiming his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement. Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965.

            “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.” - May 2008, as Senator Obama professes ignorance of the massive cleanup effort at the Hanford, WA nuclear reservation. I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear waste site.

            In March of 2008, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s “Dreams from My Father:”

            “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”

            I've barely scratched the surface of Obama's gaffes, inaccuracies and outright fabrications, but you get the point.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:27 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Pete posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            "Govt to lose $14B of auto bailout funds"


            One Day of the Iraq War = 720 Million Dollars, How Would You Spend it?
            One Day of the Iraq War = 84 New Elementary Schools
            One Day of the Iraq War = 12,478 Elementary School Teachers
            One Day of the Iraq War = 95,364 Head Start Places for Children
            One Day of the Iraq War = 1,153,846 Children with Free School Lunches
            One Day of the Iraq War = 34,904 Four-Year Scholarships for University Students
            One Day of the Iraq War = 163,525 People with Health Care
            One Day of the Iraq War = 423,529 Children with Health Care
            One Day of the Iraq War = 6,482 Families with Homes
            One Day of the Iraq War = 1,274,336 Homes with Renewable Energy

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 12:14 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Bronco: "Oh, boring. Another week of listening to HTC tell us how stupid everyone is. "

            What's worse...???

            THAT or you spending the bulk of the week proving how stupid you are......???

             
          • Pete posted at 12:09 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Govt to lose $14B of auto bailout funds

            ADP: U.S. Added Fewer Workers in May

            US Manufacturing Growth Slowest Since Sept 2009

            Labor Market Worries Rise on Weak Private Sector Job Growth

            Prepare for More Money Printing: Analyst

            77,000 federal workers paid more than governors

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:04 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Well, HTC, I doubt it, but hey, if you didn't get the pages with pictures all stuck together, go ahead and send it.

             
          • Pete posted at 12:00 pm on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Wall Street Baffled by Slowing Economy, Low Yields: Trader

            "We’re on the verge of a great, great depression. The [Federal Reserve] knows it.

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/43236764

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:15 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: I wish I had kept my subscription to the Aryan Nation's Intellectual Times.....

            HTC: Yes, I'm sure you miss it. Not to worry, though, as I'm sending you a copy of Progressivism for Dummies, personally signed by Nancy Pelosi. I'm sure you'll really enjoy it.

             
          • OH WILBER posted at 11:08 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            OH WILBER Posts: 275

            It has been a month now since Superman renounced his US citizenship, and there are still no outcrying demands from the Tea Party Birther's for valid proof of live birth records. Since Superman was never formally adopted, he would be classified as an illegal alien. By the logic of most conservatives, he does not therefore have US citizenship to renounce.

            http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/superman-becomes-a-superrebel-ndash-and-scourge-of-the-american-right-2276861.html

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:38 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oh, boring. Another week of listening to HTC tell us how stupid everyone is.


             
          • WEH posted at 10:35 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            WEH Posts: 12

            I don’t know how I could even get my week started had Frank Miele not informed me that Sarah Palin majored in Communications and Journalism in college. Which Ivy League school did she attend? Anyway, her studious academic years have given Sarah the ability to communicate in clear and concise sentences like the following:
            "To choose and be so adamant about this exact location just a block or two away from 9/11, again is that knife, it feels like."
            —On President Obama's comments on the "Ground Zero Mosque," to Greta Van Susteren on On the Record, Aug. 16, 2010
            "Nobody is more qualified really to multitasking and doing all the things you need to do as a president than a woman and as a mom."—speaking to the Long Island Association at the Crest Hollow Country Club in Woodbury, New York, Thursday, Feb. 17, 2011
            There is an entire book of these "Palinisms" out on the market, but it must need to be revised almost daily now that she is on her little field trip.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:46 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Thanks for the history lesson, HTC. I wish I had kept my subscription to the Aryan Nation's Intellectual Times so I don't keep forgetting how mean and nasty the Real World is. However, I did send some money to help save your endangered mascot......


            http://www.hulu.com/watch/188880/onion-news-network-bird-hunted-to-near-extinction-due-to-infuriating-fk-you-call#s-p1-sr-i1

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:08 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            ....................Right before the lineup cards were being exchanged on the field, a noise from above distracted the spectators as the 55-foot long helicopter buzzed over trees in left field, circled the outfield and landed in an adjacent football field. Christie disembarked from the helicopter and got into a black car with tinted windows that drove him about a 100 yards to the baseball field.

            During the 5th inning, Christie and First Lady Mary Pat Christie got into the car, rode back to the helicopter and left the game. During a pitching change, play was stopped for a couple of minutes while the helicopter took off........................

            http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/05/gov_christie_arrives_at_sons_h.html

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            and the rest of HTC's post is......Some of the details are a bit hazy. Most of the new limos were obtained in fiscal 2009, which covered the very end of George W. Bush's term and the first eight months of Obama's -- so the Bush administration could have initiated some of the purchases.

            The General Services Administration, which keeps the data, also told iWatch News that its "limousine" category refers to a range of vehicles, including sedans.

            But that doesn't mean the government is buying jalopies. The State Department said its vehicle of choice was the Cadillac DTS. The department told iWatch News the vehicles are mainly used by diplomats overseas and "distinguished foreign visitors" in the United States

            Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/31/limousine-liberals-report-shows-government-limo-fleet-swelling/#ixzz1O2Lf1oJf

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:55 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

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            SteelCon posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Good post, SteelCon.

             
          • kohana posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Since we honored our dead yesterday, who fought and died for our freedoms, these words of a person defending freedom might be appropriate.

            Final Remarks of Geert Wilders at His Trial in Amsterdam,
            June 1st, 2011
            By Geert Wilders

            Mister President, members of the Court,

            I am here because of what I have said. I am here for having spoken. I have spoken, I speak and I shall continue to speak. Many have kept silent, but not Pim Fortuyn, not Theo Van Gogh, and not me.

            I am obliged to speak. For the Netherlands is under threat of Islam. As I have argued many times, Islam is chiefly an ideology. An ideology of hatred, of destruction, of conquest. It is my strong conviction that Islam is a threat to Western values, to freedom of speech, to the equality of men and women, of heterosexuals and homosexuals, of believers and unbelievers.

            All over the world we can see how freedom is fleeing from Islam. Day by day we see our freedoms dwindle.

            Islam is opposed to freedom. Renowned scholars of Islam from all parts of the world agree on this. My witness experts subscribe to my view. There are more Islam scholars whom the court did not allow me to call on to testify. All agree with my statements, they show that I speak the truth. That truth is on trial today.

            We must live in the truth, said the dissidents under Communist rule, because the truth will set us free. Truth and freedom are inextricably connected. We must speak the truth because otherwise we shall lose our freedom.
            That is why I have spoken, why I speak and why I shall continue to speak.
            The statements for which I am being tried are statements which I made in my function as a politician participating in the public debate in our society. My statements were not aimed at individuals, but at Islam and the process of Islamization. That is why the Public Prosecutor has concluded that I should be acquitted.
            Mister President, members of the Court,
            I am acting within a long tradition which I wish to honor. I am risking my life in defence of freedom in the Netherlands. Of all our achievements, freedom is the most precious and the most vulnerable. Many have given their lives for freedom. We have been reminded of that in the commemorations of the month of May. But the struggle for freedom is much older.
            Every day the armored cars drive me past the statue of Johan de Witt at the Hofvijver in The Hague. De Witt wrote the "Manifesto of True Freedom" and he paid for freedom with his life. Every day I go to my office through the Binnenhof where Johan van Oldenbarneveldt was beheaded after a political trial. Leaning on his stick the elderly Oldenbarneveldt addressed his last words to his people. He said: "I have acted honorably and piously as a good patriot." Those words are also mine.
            I do not wish to betray the trust of the 1.5 million voters of my party. I do not wish to betray my country. Inspired by Johan van Oldenbarneveldt and Johan de Witt, I wish to be a politician who serves the truth end hence defends the freedom of the Dutch provinces and of the Dutch people. I wish to be honest, I wish to act with honesty and that is why I wish to protect my native land against Islam. Silence is treason.
            That is why I have spoken, why I speak and why I shall continue to speak.
            Freedom and truth. I pay the price every day. Day and night I have to be protected against people who want to kill me. I am not complaining about it; it has been my own decision to speak. However, those who threaten me and other critics of Islam are not being tried here today. I am being tried. And about that I do complain.
            I consider this trial to be a political trial. The values of D66 [a Dutch leftist liberal party] and NRC Handelsblad [a Dutch leftist liberal party] will never be brought before a judge in this country. One of the complainants clearly indicated that his intentions are political. Even questions I have asked in parliament and cooperation with the SGP are being brought as allegations against me by Mr Rabbae of GroenLinks [the leftist Dutch Green Party]. Those on the Left like to tamper with the separation of powers. When they cannot win politically because the Dutch people have discerned their sinister agenda, they try to win through the courts.
            Whatever your verdict may be, that is the bitter conclusion of this trial.
            This trial is also surrealistic. I am being compared with the Hutu murderers in Rwanda and with Mladic. Only a few minutes ago some here have doubted my mental health. I have been called a new Hitler. I wonder whether those who call me such names will also be sued, and if not, whether the Court will also order prosecution. Probably not. And that is just as well. Because freedom of speech applies also to my opponents.
            My right to a fair trial has been violated. The order of the Amsterdam Court to prosecute me was not just a decision but a condemning verdict by judges who condemned me even before the actual trial had begun.
            Mister President, members of the Court, you must now decide whether freedom still has a home in the Netherlands
            Franz Kafka said: "One sees the sun slowly set, yet one is surprised when it suddenly becomes dark."
            Mister President, members of the Court, do not let the lights go out in the Netherlands.
            Acquit me: Put an end to this Kafkaesque situation.
            Acquit me. Political freedom requires that citizens and their elected representatives are allowed to voice opinions that are held in society.
            Acquit me, for if I am convicted, you convict the freedom of opinion and expression of millions of Dutchmen.
            Acquit me. I do not incite to hatred. I do not incite to discrimination. But I defend the character, the identity, the culture and the freedom of the Netherlands. That is the truth. That is why I am here. That is why I speak. That is why, like Luther before the Imperial Diet at Worms, I say: "Here I stand, I can do no other."
            That is why I have spoken, why I speak and why I shall continue to speak.
            Mister President, members of the Court, though I stand here alone, my voice is the voice of many. This trial is not about me. It is about something much greater. Freedom of expression is the life source of our Western civilisation.
            Do not let that source go dry just to cosy up to a totalitarian regime. "Freedom," said the American President Dwight Eisenhower, "has its life in the hearts, the actions, the spirit of men and so it must be daily earned and refreshed – else like a flower cut from its life-giving roots, it will wither and die."
            Mister President, members of the Court, you have a great responsibility. Do not cut freedom in the Netherlands from its roots, our freedom of expression. Acquit me. Choose freedom.
            I have spoken, I speak, and it is my duty – I cannot do otherwise – to continue to speak.
            Thank you.


             
          • SteelCon posted at 8:43 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            SteelCon Posts: 42

            Fly Fish Brain - Think of a fish and how its brain works only in a reflexive manner, The Fish sees a shiny glimmer in the water and it immediately swallows a hook-line and sinker. You haul the fish into the boat, decide it is too small and toss it back. 20 minutes later the same dumb fish sees the same shiny glimmer in the water, and damn if you don't catch him again, and again and again. The brain of a fish, cannot learn.

            You are correct, the history you were taught in college was very likely presented to you by a Communist Professor. Especially if you attended UofM Missoula.

            To De-Program yourself on this one stupid idea that the Republicans were embracing Nazism, because that balances out the fact that liberal democRats were embracing Communism, read this excellent book that exposes yet another widely spread lie ....."Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left"

            After you read Liberal Fascism, then read "The Road To Serfdom" By Professor F.A. Hayek. Hayek's book was a popular seller in Europe just after the end of World War II. Hayek posits that there isn't a dimes worth of difference between a Nazi or a Communist. Hayek lays out the comparative parallels that both Communist and Nazi are totalitarian in nature, both believe the individual is subservient to the state, both use concentration and death camps to further their "socialist" programs, both proclaim they are working for the betterment of mankind while at the very same time they have become the worst nightmare in the history of mankind. Hayeks reasoning and comparative analysis just goes on and on and on and you can't refute the facts........ well unless of course if you are a dumbed-down democRat, .... then you can.

            In the forward of Hayek's book he states that although his book met with great success and critical acclaim in Europe, the book was refused by publisher after publisher in the United States around the late 1940s. Why? I believe that the dominant New World Order Socialists that operate inside the United States already had a stranglehold on the publishing industry in the U.S. and Hayek's book and the ideas it put forward would turn on its head the idea they wanted implanted into the limp brains of millions of American Sheeple......

            and that is "Socialism is good. Socialism, like recently introduced Obamacare, will make our lives better. Nazis are monsters, but Communists? Well, they may have gotten a little carried away,but in the end they just wanted to better the conditions for all mankind. I have heard this lie repeated time and time again throughout my lifetime in "Amerika."

            Hayek managed to get his book published in Canada and then distributed into the United States but by that time it was many years later. The so-called "Free Press" in America has been under the thumb of Socialists and Rockefeller types for many, many, many years.

            Some very powerful and evil elements inside the United States did not want the American Sheeple connecting Nazism and Communism together as one in the same. They're success in this endeavor is clearly evident to this very day sixty years later, and I have heard this drivel repeated time and time again. Well heck! Fly Fish Brain just posted it here, a day ago, on this blog comment section!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Ah, those "Limousine Liberals":

            Obama administration officials are riding in style.

            A new report from a watchdog group shows that the number of limousines owned by the federal government rose by 73 percent during the first two years of President Obama's administration. The State Department was the recipient of most the new luxury vehicles.

            The "Limousine Liberals?" report from iWatch News, part of the nonprofit Center for Public Integrity, showed that government data pegged the number of limos in the federal fleet at 412 in fiscal 2010, up from 238 in fiscal 2008.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:36 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: And I also wonder if our founding fathers were to come back to life if they would look around at what is happening in America and realize their country had become the British Empire, with the big difference being an Elected President every 4 years?

            HTC: Really? The British Empire?

            First of all, when there truly was a British Empire, they didn't have a nanny state like we do today.

            Secondly, they quickly executed their enemies, including pirates, unlike our current Skipper who wants to give our enemies constitutional rights and try them in criminal courts.

            Thirdly, they entered countries with the express intent to colonize them. We go in with the intent to liberate them.

            A mind is a terrible thing to waste, Rob.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:28 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            As DNC Chairwoman, Debbie Wasserman Schultz will make an easy target for the GOP as she "misspeaks" made-up "facts" and regurgitates traditional Democratic lies such as our needing "high-level immigration reform" which America (with the clear exception of jennydoe) realizes is just another Democratic code word for "amnesty".

            Americans don't like rewarding criminal behavior with a path to citizenship nor rewarding the Democratic Party (which has thrice promised "immigration reform" with past amnesties, only to block such efforts) with millions of new constituents which will vote for their party in exchange for more handouts, even as we're already going down in flames from the nanny state's red ink.

            All the GOP are saying is that they want to secure the borders first, BEFORE the effort to reform any parts of immigration law is undertaken. Who can blame them, since the Democrats broke their prior three promises to secure the border AFTER the GOP agreed to reforms to immigration law?

            President Reagan, a former Democrat, got stung by their immigration reform deceit and he never got over it. He believed he could trust them and was shaken by their display of complete dishonesty and raw party greed for power.

            I did find it amusing (in Pete's post) that Wasserman Shultz apparently doesn't know the meaning of the word "literally." I wonder if she knows how many states there are?


             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:13 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Pete posted at 5:35 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.
            --------
            Wow, DNC, just wow. Suggesting that comprehensive, high-level immigration reform is needed while pointing out that the right-wing solution of arresting and deporting every illegal currently in the country is both stupid and impractical? Some nerve...

             
          • Pete posted at 5:35 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Oh the horror!!!

            DNC Chair: Republicans Believe Illegal Immigration 'Should be a Crime'

            http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/new-dnc-chair-faults-gop-wanting-illegal

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:22 am on Wed, Jun 1, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Another interesting blurb concerning our tax dollars also happened last week. In light of the location of Bin Laden and the fact that he had been there for years, the Pakistani Intelligence Ministry had 40% of it's request for payments sent back by the Pentagon Billing Clerks as unacceptable. Kind of a "Take that you dumb bozo's!"
            I was a little surprised that we paid their bills directly......But control is important, I guess. I wonder how such payments are registered by the Pentagon to the Senate for yearly Budget approval? I wonder if they get TDY pay for going to a non-Muslim country to have sex with an infidel? Man, are we in financial trouble or what? And I also wonder if our founding fathers were to come back to life if they would look around at what is happening in America and realize their country had become the British Empire, with the big difference being an Elected President every 4 years?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:42 pm on Tue, May 31, 2011.

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            Bronco: House Republicans dealt defeat to their own proposal for a $2.4 trillion increase in the nation's debt limit Tuesday, a political gambit designed to reinforce a demand for spending cuts to accompany any increase in government borrowing.

            HTC: Naturally this account failed to mention that over 100 House Democrats, tired of the GOP insistence that spending cuts had to be part of any agreement to raise the debt limit, submitted a signed petition to Speaker Boehner which demanded a vote on raising the debt limit which wasn't tied to any other requirements or constraints.

            Well, that's exactly what Boehner gave them and, when they found out they were going to actually get what they asked for, they tried to talk him out of it.

            Apparently they didn't think he was smart enough to call their bluff.

            All this escapade proved is how stupid Democrats really are.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:40 pm on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            WASHINGTON – House Republicans dealt defeat to their own proposal for a $2.4 trillion increase in the nation's debt limit Tuesday, a political gambit designed to reinforce a demand for spending cuts to accompany any increase in government borrowing.
            The debate was brief, occasionally impassioned and set a standard of sorts for public theater, particularly at a time when private negotiations continue among the administration and key lawmakers on the deficit cuts Republicans have demanded.
            The bill "will and must fail," said Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., the House Ways and Means Committee chairman who noted he had helped write the very measure he was criticizing.
            But Rep. Sander Levin, D-Mich., accused Republicans of a "ploy so egregious that (they) have had to spend the last week pleading with Wall Street not to take it seriously and risk our economic recovery."
            He and other Democrats added that Republicans were attempting to draw attention away from their controversial plan to turn Medicare into a program in which seniors purchase private insurance coverage.
            The proceedings occurred roughly two months before the date Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner has said the debt limit must be raised. If no action is taken by Aug. 2, he has warned, the government could default on its obligations and risk turmoil that might plunge the nation into another recession or even an economic depression. (Which would be awesome for Republicans!)
            Republicans, who are scheduled to meet with Obama at the White House on Wednesday, signaled in advance that the debt limit vote did not portend a final refusal to grant an increase. (Uh, say what?)
            Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the second-ranking Democrat, accused the GOP of staging a "demagogic vote" at a time lawmakers should work together to avoid a financial default.
            The government has already reached the limit of its borrowing authority, $14.3 trillion, and the Treasury is using a series of extraordinary maneuvers to meet financial obligations.
            Among the areas eyed for spending cuts is the federal pension program, where the White House has signaled it is receptive to a Republican proposal for employees to make greater contributions. (But they wouldn't call them taxes)

             
          • Two-gun Kate posted at 9:37 pm on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            Two-gun Kate Posts: 83

            That's how I see it too HTC,

            I need to look into this again, but my recollection is that there were Fascist American groups, many of whom were German Americans. Among these Fascists and various “shirt movements” were those that did march within the ranks of the Republican party, but it was clandestine in nature. It wasn’t in any case a Republican party infatuation with Hitler as Flyfish puts it.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:34 pm on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            flyfish: To respond to your trying to link progressives with communists I say you are on the wrong track. In the 1930's many left leaning people did think communism was the answer, but after Stalins reign of terror the vast majority saw the true nature of communism and moved far away from it. The same can be said about the right wing of the Republican party and its infatuation with Hitler and his nazi regime.

            HTC: That's some really interesting rewriting of history that you're doing there.

            Stalin's Great Purge (alias "Great Terror") didn't turn American progressives against communism in the 30's because most of them never learned of its massive scope until after WW II.

            Progressives in the 30's were fascinated by both Nazi socialism and communism until Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, at which time they turned against the Nazis, preferring communism over the Nazis' brand of socialism.

            To accuse the GOP of being infatuated with Hitler is both factually wrong as well as incredibly tasteless.

            Even after Stalin's sins started to become apparent in the late 40's and 50's, progressives still passionately embraced communism and dreamed of bringing it to our shores. Only when they began to realize in the 50's that most Americans shunned communism, did they begin to reinvent it as what we now call "democratic socialism."

            flyfish: They teach the difference between socialists and communists at the 10th grade level at our high schools, maybe you should sit in on a few of these classes next year, you may learn something other than the dribble Ayn Rand put out.

            HTC: Arguing over whether progressives are "communists" or "socialists" is like arguing over whether one kind of cancer, which is 100% fatal, is worse than another kind of cancer which is also 100% fatal.

             
          • flyfish posted at 7:18 pm on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            flyfish Posts: 203

            Frank,
            To respond to your trying to link progressives with communists I say you are on the wrong track. In the 1930's many left leaning people did think communism was the answer, but after Stalins reign of terror the vast majority saw the true nature of communism and moved far away from it. The same can be said about the right wing of the Republican party and its infatuation with Hitler and his nazi regime.
            They teach the difference between socialists and communists at the 10th grade level at our high schools, maybe you should sit in on a few of these classes next year, you may learn something other than the dribble Ayn Rand put out.
            Also when Sinclair Lewis wrote "It Can't Happen Here" he wrote it in defense of FDR. He was warning America about the rise of the fascist movement. At least thats what I learned in college, probably was a communist teaching the course.
            Vice president Henry Wllace had a warning for Americain 1944 it went " The American fascist would prefer not using violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to deceive the public.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:14 am on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            MT_foundation: ...I do have to ask why the RNC Chairman said what he did?! Why did he basically concede that it was a political methodology that benefited racial polarization? Was that the by-product or intent?

            HTC: You raise a good question. Mehlman made his comments during a speech he gave to the NAACP. My guess is that he was trying to woo them via "false confession" which is one of many tools in the political toolbag. He earned much wrath from many of his GOP brethren for those statements because they knew there was no "Southern Strategy" (outside of the liberal media, anyway) and they also felt that this thinly veiled attempt to suck up to the NAACP would actually be counterproductive.

            Mehlman also "came out of the closet" shortly after being elected the RNC Chairman and understandably had issues with the so-called "anti-gay" contingent within the party. Perhaps he wanted to inflict some "payback" on them by coloring them as racial opportunists as well.

            All we can do is guess, however, since he has refused to answer questions on the subject. Many believe that the friction he generated within the party cut short what could have been a promising political career and it is undeniable that he was only a one term Chairman.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:38 am on Tue, May 31, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            MT_foundation posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.
            "HTC, a secret between you and me - frequently I agree with what you say....."

            We all do, but don't tell him that! He's already got a big head on his shoulders.....He's a smart guy, and very adamant about "Claw your way up!" while dismissing as totally unnecessary the notion of government sponsored "Trickle some down". It's a tension in politics that we are all aware of in our own ways. The current dilemma in America seems to be how to deleverage from excessive debt while offering opportunities for employment.

            There was an interesting article in the weekend WSJ concerning the current recession AND a drop in crime, which goes against the standard thinking of most social science classes.......Worth reading, although I place a lot of the reasons on the absolute ease of gaining access to Food Stamps along with the '3 strikes your out', both very expensive programs for us Tax Payers. Ye old tension in politics.

             
          • MT_foundation posted at 7:03 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            MT_foundation Posts: 64

            HTC, a secret between you and me - frequently I agree with what you say, learn from your comments, and enjoy this dialouge. So, I sincerely thank you for your posts. But back to the issue at hand. I do agree with what the Political Scientists said (about the Southern Strategy being a myth), but I do have to ask why the RNC Chairman said what he did?! Why did he basically concede that it was a political methodology that benefited racial polarization? Was that the by-product or intent?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:03 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            MT_foundation: the 'Southern Strategy' employed by the Republicans was a real thing. In 2005 then RNC Chairman Ken Mehlan said; "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong." HTC – I’m super reluctant to infringe on your grounds and the leading economist and historian in this space, but I find those comments pretty persuasive. Kinda a ‘straight from the horse’s mouth’ type of scenario, right? But, probably not...and I'm sure you'll tell us all why.

            HTC: The so-called "Southern Strategy" was principally about states-rights and the best economic strategies for the continuance of the wealth-producing industrialization of the south - NOT about race. The GOP did eventually abandon its efforts to draw more blacks into the party due to the nearly complete lack of results of their efforts to do so, which should have come as no surprise; with the Democrats buying votes with "War on Poverty" handouts and housing projects and reverse discrimination against whites ("affirmative action"), the GOP had nothing to offer blacks short of dignity and a sense of personal accomplishment.

            Two political scientists at the U. of Pennsylvania, Richard Johnston and Byron Shafer exposed as myth the allegations of a racist GOP "Southern Strategy" in their book "The End of Southern Exceptionalism." Their research notes that the post-war South became the new base for manufacturing, service, financial, R&D and other U.S. corporate interests as business abandoned the high-tax, high-regulation, union-dominated environment of the Democratically-controlled north in favor of the low-tax, low-regulation and low cost of living South.

            It is that transformation that built a massive new middle class and upper middle class that began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests (i.e., the GOP). Poor working-class southern whites who were often anti-black as well, stayed with the Democratic party as voting histories made clear in the scholars' analysis.

            Their review of other polls and studies showed that those now financially comfortable Southerners who shifted to the right in the voting booth were also largely accepting of blacks while a substantial percentage of the poor whites who did harbor racist attitudes towards the black community largely stayed with the Democratic Party.

            So, while the myth of a racist GOP "Southern Strategy" may play well in progressive circles, the facts do not support it. It is, however, such a widespread myth that some GOP leaders believe it just as some believe in AGW.

            That some of them would repeat that myth means nothing and certainly doesn't legitimize it.

            MT_foundation: BTW - I hope you're not referring to Lincoln when you spoke about the blacks being freed by a Republican president?! If so, it seems that you're about 150 year out-of-date.

            HTC: OK, so now the Emancipation Proclamation never happened? Where do you come up with this stuff?

            I guess you'd prefer to ignore the reality that the Democrats in the South tried desperately for over a hundred years after the Civil War to deny blacks their full civil rights in spite of the fact that they had been freed and guaranteed their rights by GOP-enacted Constitutional Amendments.

            It's a very large and ignoble chunk of history that many Democrats understandably would prefer to pretend never happened. That the blacks later abandoned the party that liberated them for some handouts from their former oppressor, says much about them and the Democratic Party - none of it good.

            But I guess in spite of all that, you're "Proud to be a Democrat."

             
          • OH WILBER posted at 5:01 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            OH WILBER Posts: 275

            @ Frank the editor-
            You mentioned: "These days, it is hard to find any liberal who seems to understand the danger of communism. If you are the exception, I am happy to hear it."

            Where can you find a commie to mow the lawn for free anymore?

            There was only one major typo in Flyfish's missive, "supremesists."

            "Supremacism is the belief that a particular race, ethnic group, religion, gender, sexual orientation, belief system or culture is superior to others and entitles those who identify with it to dominate, control or rule those who do not." Wikipedia

             
          • MT_foundation posted at 4:50 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            MT_foundation Posts: 64

            Hi HTC - sorry I haven't replied to your post from last week. My job/family/life/etc keeps me pretty busy.

            HTC - the 'Southern Strategy' employed by the Republicans was a real thing. In 2005 then RNC Chairman Ken Mehlan said; "Some Republicans gave up on winning the African American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization. I am here today as the Republican chairman to tell you we were wrong." HTC – I’m super reluctant to infringe on your grounds and the leading economist and historian in this space, but I find those comments pretty persuasive. Kinda a ‘straight from the horse’s mouth’ type of scenario, right? But, probably not...and I'm sure you'll tell us all why.

            BTW - I hope you're not referring to Lincoln when you spoke about the blacks being freed by a Republican president?! If so, it seems that you're about 150 year out-of-date.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:31 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            MT_Foundation: We all know that the most secure bastion for conservative politics is in the South and that came into being in the 1960s after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. So, by Frank’s logic, the Republican party (and the right wing of the political spectrum) is strong because of its racist beliefs. You can’t disguise it, Frank – there is much more historical evidence to substantiate this conclusion then the great Democratic Party-Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Nexus that you’re so aggressively lobbying against.

            HTC: Your knowledge of history is as limited as your understanding of economics.

            History records that the effort to fight desegregation and to thwart the black civil rights movement was led by Southern Democrats. The blacks were freed by a Republican president and it was Republicans that amended the Constitution to ensure that states could not deprive blacks of their civil rights.

            Per your own argument, racism should be solidly linked to the Democratic Party rather than the GOP. And since they are the party of "affirmative action", a set of policies based on the belief that blacks cannot be as successful as whites without some government-sponsored reverse discrimination against whites, I'd say the charge fits.

            BTW, I'm still waiting for your list of wonderful and successful government programs that truly benefitted the nation as a whole and which makes that government deserving of our respect and the surrender of more of our rights in the promotion of the success of the nanny state.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:20 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            MT_foundation: We all know that the most secure bastion for conservative politics is in the South and that came into being in the 1960s after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. So, by Frank’s logic, the Republican party (and the right wing of the political spectrum) is strong because of its racist beliefs. You can’t disguise it, Frank – there is much more historical evidence to substantiate this conclusion then the great Democratic Party-Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Nexus that you’re so aggressively lobbying against.

            HTC: Boy, you're really out there, MT_foundation. It's time to pull your orbit in a bit and try to get a little closer to the ground.

            History records that the southern effort to fight desegregation and the black civil rights movement was led by Democrats. It was a Republican president that freed the blacks and Republicans that amended the Constitution to ensure that states could not restrict the rights of blacks.

            Your knowledge of history is as sadly lacking as your understanding of economics.

            BTW, I'm still waiting for that list of fantastic and successful programs that government has done for our mutual betterment that makes them so deserving of our trust and the surrender of our own civil rights.

             
          • MT_foundation posted at 3:41 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            MT_foundation Posts: 64

            Hi Frank – in response to ‘flyfish’ you wrote: “In response I would say that it is not I who have linked "liberals, progressives, Democrats [and] socialists" together; it is history. At various times in the past 70 years, and from various factions of the Democratic Party, this has not been disguised.” In response I have to say that once again you seem to be cherry-picking bits of history and cobbling them together to make your point. If your argument is that Democrats, liberals, socialists, and progressives are interlocking terms (or at least closely related), then I guess Republicans, tea party backers, racists and fascists would be, too. We all know that the most secure bastion for conservative politics is in the South and that came into being in the 1960s after the passage of the Civil Rights Act. So, by Frank’s logic, the Republican party (and the right wing of the political spectrum) is strong because of its racist beliefs. You can’t disguise it, Frank – there is much more historical evidence to substantiate this conclusion then the great Democratic Party-Liberal-Progressive-Socialist-Nexus that you’re so aggressively lobbying against. Of course this isn’t true, and it’s sad that you’ve steered this forum (and this paper) into a venue to throw insults against the wall for sheer spectacle. If we step back from this hyperbolic edge then it’s pretty clear that this sort of conversation is intellectually dishonest, destructive, and utterly boring. Folks, if you are a fan of the tea party or a Republican beware of traveling down this path of selectively choosing chunks of history to legitimize your political beliefs (or to demagogue others) – it only helps the pugilists

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:59 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            LakesideMt: Interesting, apparently many in the GOP were FOR mandated health insurance BEFORE they were AGAINST it.

            HTC: There's a couple of things you need to keep in mind.

            First of all, most of the GOP bills discussed in this article were responses to Democratic socialist proposals for expanding health care. Most were merely meant to blunt the socialists' drive and claims of "the GOP have no solution of their own" and "they're just the party of 'NO'."

            In other words, they weren't serious proposals but political tools meant to stop the growth of socialism in this country.

            Secondly, some Republicans did like the idea of insurance mandates but later came to their senses, proving that many in the GOP can learn from their mistakes while most Democrats can't.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:43 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            LakesideMt: Now, call me crazy, but I don't want our next President to have "reality television star" in her/his two line bio....but,hey, thats just me!

            HTC: I hear you. I didn't want "affirmative action lawyer", "community organizer", "absentee Senator" or "raised by commies" on the Prez's resume either.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            SteelCon posted at 12:29 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            You sound like a real fun guy......

             
          • SteelCon posted at 12:29 pm on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            SteelCon Posts: 42

            One of the many lies and deceitful misrepresentations spread all over America for the past half century is that the "free market, free enterprise economic system does not work." Who is spreading those lies and misrepresentations? DemocRat-Communists and their fellow travelers in the dominant liberal-biased media.

            I could write a Magnum Opus on this subject. Yeah, right, the United States became the richest and most powerful nation on the planet through socialist economic planning and development, right? Somehow the United States managed to make socialism work, when every other nation who has tried it has suffered serious economic deficiency and economic privation.

            Lets look at one example. Wind energy. Do you really believe that if this was a valid, high profit making industry that private investment capital would not be falling all over itself to get into the (phony and socialist contrived) market? The Free Market of Capitalist Investors know this Wind Energy is a bunch of made up socialist crap and they will have nothing to do with it. Free Markets means that you are just as free NOT TO PARTICIPATE in them if you think they are a con-game or boondogle. But when you are taxed by stupid governments and your tax money is diverted into phony socialist markets, well, once again you see where "freedom" is smothered in favor of "totalitarianism."

            So where are all the jobs and development of wind energy coming from? From a repudiation and denial of free market and free enterprise principles, that's where. From your tax dollars! You idiots! (Idiots being those democRat fools who actually believe this stupid Wind Energy crap and go around touting it.)

            I see "Wind Energy" as just another arm of the same octopus I call "New World Order Socialism". It is a kissing cousin of another outrageous lie called "Global Warming" and the "Cap and Trade" insanity which is designed to destroy the American economy and merge our nation and its sovereignty into a one world, New World Order Socialist government.

            The Socialist Subversive Plan is obvious and blatant. 1. Impoverish the American people by gutting their Economic Engine of Prosperity, the Free Enterprise, Free Market Economy that made the U.S. so prosperous and powerful to begin with. 2. Once America is brought to its knees with incredibly treasonous and damaging economic programs and planning (See the Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae scandals as further evidence of another arm of the Socialist Octopus.) Suck the weakened and anemic American Republic into the more powerful and by then militarily dominant New World Order.) China fits in here nicely.

            Rob123 pours his poison kool aid all over the floor and I am just mopping it up with the sponge of truth and reality.

            "How China Plans to Leapfrog The American Economy" and its "Not What You Think"? No, its not what you think Rob123. The so-called "Capitalists" that everyone believes are "conservatives" are actually the people funding and supporting socialist communism and the democRat Party USA. The Rockefellers are one of those so-called "Capitalists." who are doing everyting in their power to destroy the sovereignty of the United States of America. The international investment banking, Bush Family of "capitalsts"have played their role too, by weakening the Republican Party and leaving it a smoking hole in the ground.

            Connect the dotted lines......Richard Nixon became a multi-millionaire "after" his failed 1964 run for governor of California. (This is where he got the wealth to own private compound mansions on both U.S.Coasts, Key Biscayne, Florida, and San Clemente, California, think of Nixon's infamous "Checkers Speech" and his wife's conservative cloth coat, American true history is so damn laughable and disgusting at the same time.) .......... Nixon was working for the Rockefeller connected law firm of Mudge Rose when he became filthy rich. You see, there is no law against bribing a future president, before you run him for president. Richard Nixon was introduced to Rockefeller Foundation think tank wonk, Dr. Henry Kissinger, before he became president .......... After Nixon got elected he appointed Kissinger his NSC adviser, later made Kissinger Secretary of State ....... Nixon is hailed by historians as the "Opener of the Door To China" ........... After the "Door to China" was opened, there was a very loud sucking sound of American Capital Investment blowing out the door and into China. Nixon the "political prostitute" had accomplished his main mission as president, on behalf of the Rockefeller family. David Rockefeller and his Chase-Manhattan Bank was in the "cat-bird" seat to service much of the loans and capital investment into China. Rockefeller creations such as the IMF or International Monetary Fund and the World Bank, are all vehicles of New World Order Socialism.

            And Henry Kissinger now runs a "consulting firm" known as Kissinger Associates. Kissinger's personal wealth is estimated conservatively to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars. What does Kissinger Associates do? They put together "New World Order" Socialist business deals that repeatedly weaken the American economy and American sovereignty. Kissinger Associates was very involved in all the dealings of American corporations relocating invesment and capital into Red China away from the United States.

            Now, I just gave you a history lesson that is is not allowed in the Fradulent-Lying Free Press of America.

            I just outlined for you how our nation has become an Oligarchy and named a few of he actual Oligarchs.

            Can you get a clue? For democRats is there even a "flicker" of that dim bulb up between your ears?

            What I have learned over the years that no amount of facts, reality, truth, or accurate, yet concealed history can ever change the mind of a committed Communist or a DemocRat-Communist.

            You can lead a donkey to facts, but can't make the donkey THINK!


             
          • JBSTONE posted at 11:59 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            When the Music Stopped....

            http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2165107060101969651iVRLPj

            (For those who are unaware: At all military base theaters, the National Anthem is played before the movie begins. )

            This is written from a Chaplain in Iraq :

            I recently attended a showing of 'Superman 3' here at LSA Anaconda.

            We have a large auditorium we use for movies, as well as memorial services and other large gatherings.

            As is the custom at all military bases, we stood to attention when the National Anthem began before the main feature.

            All was going well until three-quarters of the way through The National Anthem, the music stopped.
            Now, what would happen if this occurred with 1,000 18-22 year-olds back in the States?

            I imagine there would be hoots, catcalls, laughter, a few rude comments, and everyone would sit down and yell for the movie to begin.

            Of course, that is, if they had stood for the National Anthem in the first place.
            Here in Iraq, 1,000 Soldiers continued to stand at attention, eyes fixed forward.

            The music started again and the Soldiers continued to quietly stand at attention.

            But again, at the same point, the music stopped.

            What would you expect 1000 soldiers standing at attention to do??

            Frankly, I expected some laughter, and everyone would eventually sit down and wait for the movie to start. But No!!... You could have heard a pin drop, while every soldier continued to stand at attention.
            Suddenly, there was a lone voice from the front of the auditorium, then a dozen voices,

            and soon the room was filled with the voices of a thousand soldiers, finishing where the recording left off:

            "And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
            gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
            Oh, say does that Star Spangled Banner yet wave, o'er
            the land of the free, and the home of the brave."

            It was the most inspiring moment I have had in Iraq and I wanted you to know what kind of Soldiers are serving you.
            Remember them as they fight for us!

            Pass this along as a reminder to others to be ever in prayer for all our soldiers serving us here at home and abroad.

            Many have already paid the ultimate price.

            Written by Chaplain Jim Higgins. LSA Anaconda is at the Ballad Airport in Iraq, north of Baghdad .

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 11:52 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Palin Swings By National Archives As Presidential Plans Remain Mystery

            Published May 30, 2011

            | FoxNews.com

            Sarah Palin is taking her family around the country on the "One Nation" bus tour, fueling speculation on a possible presidential bid.

            Sarah Palin dropped by the U.S. National Archives in Washington, D.C., on her "One Nation" tour Monday, kicking off a bus tour that has fired up the chatter about whether she'll try to challenge President Obama in 2012.

            But the 2008 vice presidential candidate demurred about any plans for a bid, even as she maintains her place atop the Republican field of potential candidates.

            "This isn't a campaign bus, this is a bus to be able to express to America how much we appreciate our foundation," Palin said after heading toward the bus carrying her family to famous historical sites on their summer vacation.

            Palin said she doesn't doubt that a Republican could defeat Obama in 2012.

            "Any Republican candidate is very, very electable," she said. "I think Americans are ready for true change."

            But as for her own plans, "We're still kind of contemplating that," Palin said.

            Palin said she launched the bus tour -- with family in tow, including two children who've never been to Washington, D.C. -- to bring attention "to our charters of liberty."

            "The mission that we are on is to highlight America's foundation, and that's a nice thing that we're getting to do," she said.

            She said she is interested in restoring a sense of American exceptionalism by highlighting the historic sites. She reportedly was scheduled to be in Philadelphia later Monday to visit the Liberty Bell.

            That may be all that is behind Palin's "One Nation" tour, though she did offer a pitch behind why African-Americans should support the GOP.

            "I would believe that every American is very interested in making sure the economy's getting back on the right track, that jobs are created via the private sector, having the freedom to invest and prioritize. It doesn't matter skin tone on that. We all need good jobs, we need an economy roaring," she said.

            "I would hope that you are attracted to the planks and the platform that we'll be able to build, more of the prosperity and the health and the safety of this nation that has made us so exceptional," she added in answer to questions from a self-identified black Republican. "So those principles and planks of the platform. That's a good question."

            Whether the answers satisfied the questioner, on Sunday, Arizona Sen. John McCain, who made Palin a household name when he tapped her as a running mate in 2008, said he believes the former Alaska governor could defeat the president.

            "Of course she can, she can. Whether she will or not, whether she'll even run, I don't know," McCain told "Fox News Sunday." "She certainly is a major factor. And I believe that she can be very competitive."

            But political analyst and Fox News contributor Bob Beckel said, of course, McCain is going to say she can win because he has "no option" since he put her on the ticket to be his back-up to run the country if something happened to him.

            "I don't think he really thinks she can win," Beckel speculated.

            On the other hand, Beckel continued, Palin benefits from a lukewarm reception to the GOP pool of contenders. And she has the ability to attract media cameras like a magnet.

            "Do you think Rick Santorum would get this kind of attention?" Beckel asked of the media scrum that has surrounded Palin since she announced her bus tour last week.

            "I'm sitting three blocks from where she is, and I feel the air coming out of this room," Beckel said.

            Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/30/palin-swings-national-archives-presidential-plans-remain-mystery/#ixzz1NrLMR12D

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:46 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            LakesideMt posted at 11:01 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            Tar Sands and Shale Oil make sense at $45.00 a BBL......$65 to $80 they are very attractive......Everything over $75.00 is speculators who couldn't take physical ownership of even 1 BBL without running into zoning problems at their McMansion. And they are using other people's money, so their only risk is their Big Azz Bonus at the end of the year.

             
          • LakesideMt posted at 11:17 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            Interesting, apparently many in the GOP were FOR mandated health insurance BEFORE they were AGAINST it.

            http://www.latimes.com/health/la-na-gop-insurance-mandate-20110529,0,6753745.story?page=1

            Including the Heritage Foundation and the NFIB (National Federation of Independent Businesses). What a bunch of liberals!

             
          • LakesideMt posted at 11:01 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            LakesideMt Posts: 377

            I'm not too worried about China and oil - if the price of oil goes up much more Tar sand oil and Oil Shale start making alot of sense and we got something like 400 years of that stuff. Look at what is going on in North Dakato.

            The precious minerals might be more problematic - not sure what we do on that one. Does seem like we are fighting those guys, economically, with one hand tied behind our back. One things for sure, though, China's economic engine only works if someone is buying their stuff - which is us as in U.S. On the other hand, if we start to go down the tubes, maybe we can start making stuff again....FOR China! Yikes!

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:32 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            That's scary, Rob, unless you're Chinese. But gGod would never let those godless, dirt-worshipping heathens rule over our Founding Father's Christian Nation.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:46 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            Lakeside.....But she sure looked good on the back of that Harley yesterday! And she ain't no Socialist! So, as we kick each other around over 19th and 20th century ideologies, the world turns....:

            How China Plans to Leapfrog the American Economy (And it’s Not What You Think)

            Sunday 29 May 2011
            by: Ian Fletcher, Free Trade Doesn't Work [3]
            Many Americans are already concerned about China’s growing economic challenge to the United States. Indeed, the challenge itself is hardly news anymore. But a new book, Red Alert [4] by Stephen Leeb, argues that Americans have radically misunderstood just what this challenge consists of.

            Everyone who has “woken up” to the problem (i.e. not the administration, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, or the Republican leadership) understands the threat posed by China’s cheap labor and low standards for everything from child labor to environmental protection. Most people who aren’t hopeless laissez-faire ideologues are twigging to the fact that China’s state-directed capitalism is running rings around America’s private-sector capitalism right now. But what few people realize is that China has an even more radical economic strategy up its sleeve, a strategy that aims not just to equal the United States but to surpass it and quite possibly shut America out of the economic future.

            The basis of China’s strategy is the fact that the world is heading rapidly into the era of fundamental resource constraints.

            Up until the present time in human history, although various natural resources have been scarce enough to fight over, no important natural resource have ever been scarce enough that humanity simply ran out of it.

            This, the author argues, is going to change.

            The interesting thing is that the resource in question isn’t the usual suspect: oil—though oil is certainly going to become prohibitively expensive as we hunt down the last few drops in harder-and-harder-to-reach places that require more-expensive drilling and extraction techniques for less return. It isn’t gas or coal, either, though these have similar futures.

            (Any reader who believes these resources will last indefinitely can stop reading right here; those who are unsure should consult the persuasive analysis in the book itself.)

            The resource, paradoxically, is every environmentalist’s dream: green energy.

            Huh? How can the world run out of green energy? Isn’t that the whole point?

            Oops. In our rush to green energy, we’ve forgotten something. Those pretty blue photovoltaic cells glinting in the sunlight don’t grow on trees. Neither do those magnificent 300-foot windmills or their smaller cousins.

            They have to be made, and they are made out of some very scarce materials.

            Like Indium. And antimony. Beryllium. Gallium. Germanium. Tungsten. Lanthanum. Tantalum. Neodymium. Niobium. Rhenium. Cobalt. Tantalum. Even familiar platinum, silver, and chromium. Even humble graphite.

            Go look on the periodic table that you vaguely remember from high-school chemistry. These elements are the ones whose names you had to memorize but which nobody had much significant use for until recently. These obscure substances may one day be more strategic than the oil of the Middle East.

            These are elements, remember. That means—basic chemistry—that you can’t make them out of anything else. You either have them or you don’t.

            Why are they important? For example, the so-called rare earths among these materials are needed to make the super-strong magnets that are needed whenever you want to mechanically generate (or consume) electricity efficiently. The authors estimate that a three-megawatt wind turbine contains nearly two tons of rare earths of various kinds. Even a humble Toyota Prius contains 22 pounds of lanthanum in its battery.

            No lanthanum, no electric cars.

            “Fine,” you say. “Surely clever scientists will find other ways of making all these products if their present ingredients become unavailable?”

            Not so fast. The problem here is that, unlike inventing a new computer program, what these products do is closely constrained by fundamental laws of physics. There simply aren’t an infinite number of ways to make, say, a small but powerful magnet or a silicon wafer that will generate electricity when exposed to the sun.

            It’s like trying to find a substitute for water.

            Innovation and creativity will probably loosen some of these raw-materials constraints a little, as alternative ways of making things are discovered. But only a little. Mother Nature bats last.

            What about the old American faith that “innovation can solve anything.” Well, be careful with that word “anything.” If you look at the successfully innovative parts of our economy, they are all industries where innovation isn’t blocked by fundamental physical laws. So we simply cannot assume that technology is going to bail us out of this one.

            It is equally unjustified to retort that all gloom-and-doom analyses are wrong because gloom-and-doom analyses have been wrong in the past. So they have. (Club of Rome, anyone?) This proves, on its own, nothing but the need to examine every analysis on its own factual merits.

            How about the “magic of the marketplace” ? Nope. Having a market economy will (more or less) guarantee that whatever physical resources we have will be used in the way that adds the most economic value. It cannot itself magically bring those resources into being.

            Here’s where China comes in. China is seeking to establish a strategic lock on these key raw materials. It plans to build itself an economy powered by this energy and then just sit back and watch the United States run out of gas.

            This strategy doesn’t only consist in establishing a monopoly on key raw materials, though this is its hardest point of ultimate leverage. China also aims to dominate the industries that convert these materials into green energy products. It is using price competition to squeeze out the American solar industry, for example, which it hopes to dominate as Japan now dominates consumer electronics

            If China’s master plan reaches even partial fruition, it will gain a gigantic economic advantage over the U.S. Americans will be left struggling with $10/gallon gasoline and its likely inflationary and recessionary consequences. Our living standard will be hobbled for decades.

            And if China’s master plan reaches its full fruition, the game is simply over for us as a superpower. Indeed, under some scenarios, it may well be over for us as a developed nation.

            This is grand strategy on a civilizational scale.

            It is possible that economic and military decline will prove mutually reinforcing. If the world decisively moves—as it is already gradually moving—away from market allocation of natural resources to political allocation and so-called resource nationalism, then the inability to project sufficient power to guarantee access to key resources will itself curtail that access, weakening the economy that supports that military strength.

            There is a huge controversy right now about whether China is sincere about cleaning up its environmental act. The authors argue that in significant part, it is indeed, as evidenced by the fact that China is now the world’s largest producer of green energy technologies.

            But they’re not doing it because they’ve joined the Sierra Club. They’re doing it for the same reason they do everything: because it is a component of their plan for advancing national power.

            Beijing makes plans in very long increments. They, unlike our own election-cycle worshiping rulers, think through where they want their country to be 100 years from now.

            This is why China is busy economically colonizing Africa—now home to an estimated one million Chinese workers—and is making fools of us in Afghanistan, where American military power is currently protecting huge Chinese investments in coal, copper, and other resources.

            We, on the other hand, sold off most of our own strategic minerals reserve in 1992, confident that the end of history had arrived and the Soviet Union was the last enemy we would ever face. We allowed Molycorp’s Mountain Pass mine in California’s Mohave desert—historically one the entire world’s largest sources of rare earths—to be shut down by cheap Chinese competition.

            We almost allowed China to buy this mine outright in 2005, when it was owned by a subsidiary of Unocal petroleum. We didn’t. So there may be hope for us yet. Congress passed a strategic minerals bill , the Rare Earths and Critical Materials Revitalization Act [5],in 2010, albeit a tiny sop compared to Beijing’s grand strategy on the issue. Australia similarly checked a Chinese buyout in 2009.

            James Schlesinger, who served under President Carter as our first Secretary of Energy, once noted that the American public has only two attitudes towards energy policy: “complacency and panic.” I suspect, after reading this book, that a little bit of salutary panic might be in order.

             
          • LakesideMt posted at 9:32 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            From today's paper page A3, about Sarah Palin - last paragraph:

            "Palin, who abruptly resigned the Alaska gov-ernor’s office before com-pleting her first term, has worked to sustain a national profile. She’s a contributor to Fox News Channel, a best-selling author and a reality television star."

            Now, call me crazy, but I don't want our next President to have "reality television star" in her/his two line bio....but,hey, thats just me!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:26 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            Flyfish: As a moderate progessive Democrat I am no more a communist than most of my Republican friends are nazis.

            HTC: "Moderate Progressive" is an oxymoron. The progressive agenda has far more in common with socialism than it does with the 'center.' In fact, it is the antithesis of the principles upon which this country was founded which include (1) limited government, (2) the protection of individual rights (versus the subjugation of the individual and his wealth to the state and its agenda), (3) personal responsibility (versus the nanny state of progressivism) and (4) The right of the individual to retain the fruits of his labors (versus the redistribution of wealth by progressive policy).

            Progressivism has nearly destroyed every economy and country which has pursued it. Europe is now on the verge of economic collapse because of it and is desperately trying to save itself. Its beneficiaries riot and threaten further violence and property damage at the mere mention of cuts to social programs.

            Unfortunately, we're not far behind Europe on the road to ruination.

            Progressive ideology is like a cancer which initially leaves the host feeling fine and unaware of the mortal threat growing within it; then, when the cancer has advanced to the point where the host is obviously sick and finally aware of the killer mass within, it is often too late to do anything to save the host.

            Flyfish: Until people in the media, both left and right get beyond childish name calling we will never be able to work together to solve the problems this country faces. Although if we did get beyond this childish behavior Frank would be out of a job.

            HTC: As I said, progressivism is like a cancer that will eventually destroy our economy, standard of living and our freedoms. How can anyone in their right mind "work together" with progressives? Compromise is rarely possible with them and, regardless, who wants to agree to a "little bit of cancer" anyway?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 8:11 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            Bronco, HighTechCowboy posted at 7:36 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.
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            I believe that is his way of saying you are correct. Finally.

             
          • Tillie posted at 7:56 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            Tillie Posts: 69

            Wow, what a tedious series of columns. Jasus.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:56 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            @ Kohana,

            You presented some facts which the anti-Semites prefer most to be ignorant of. Israel took a big hit financially taking in their brothers and sisters who were fleeing Arab/Muslim persecution while the Arab states refused to help their own and continue to isolate them to this day.

            Lots to admire in the Jewish response. Nothing to respect in the Arab response.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:52 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            OH WILBER: You mention several quotes from Will Rogers in which you show your admiration and respect. Are you not putting principle ahead of popularity? Will Rogers was the leading political wit of the progressive era, and was a life-long democrat. It is very liberal of you to share his wit.

            HTC: No, it is very HONEST (not 'liberal') of me to share his wit, even though he was a life-long Democrat. Liberalism is the enemy of honesty, as to be liberal requires one to ignore the universe of facts which show it for the fraud that it is.

            I liked Will's writing and I like Zell Miller, too, another life long Democrat. Both have many characteristics in common which included loyalty to a party they felt had lost its way and which they hoped to help find its Jeffersonian roots once again. Rogers frequently attacked FDR and also supported some Republicans such as Calvin Coolidge. Miller also frequently attacked some Democratic leaders as well as supported and partnered with some Republicans.

            One of the things Rogers had to say about the New Deal: "Lord, the money we do spend on Government and it’s not one bit better than the government we got for one-third the money twenty years ago."

            So, Will Rogers was a smart man and an honest man. Lot's to respect there.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:36 am on Mon, May 30, 2011.

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            Bronco: Then that Christian nation, the USA, started on the road to socialism (and communism, just like the Early Christians) but early 21st century Conservatives started complaining, shut the borders, closed down welfare, Medicare, Social security, Medicaid, Health and Human Services, and cut funding for medicine and science. Dark Ages followed.

            HTC: You're WAY ahead of the game - you've been living in the dark all of your life.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:15 pm on Sun, May 29, 2011.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            kohana, "Tell me, have the Christians done as much to rescue their people from Islam countries that are slaughtering them, or the Hindus, Buddhists? Who rescues and saves? From what I can tell, only the Jews."
            ----------------------
            Well there was that one time Christians rescued a whole bunch of Jews. Back in the '40's it was. Of course the Pope was no help.
            Then that Christian nation, the USA, started on the road to socialism (and communism, just like the Early Christians) but early 21st century Conservatives started complaining, shut the borders, closed down welfare, Medicare, Social security, Medicaid, Health and Human Services, and cut funding for medicine and science. Dark Ages followed.

             
          • posted at 5:32 pm on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Flyfish writes: "It is OK when Frank links liberals, progressives, Democrats, socialists and communists together as one, buy it is not OK to say that Republicans, social conservatives, tea party , white supremesists and nazis are all the same. Please explain to me why the double standard is allowed?"

            In response I would say that it is not I who have linked "liberals, progressives, Democrats [and] socialists" together; it is history. At various times in the past 70 years, and from various factions of the Democratic Party, this has not been disguised. At other times, it has been fairly well hidden. But there is no doubt that if you read the history of the progressive movement there is virtually no difference between the Democratic agenda and the so-called socialist agenda. As for communism, there were certainly many Democrats who were strong fighters against communism such as Martin Dies and even Lyndon Johnson. They both paid a significant price for their stand. These days, it is hard to find any liberal who seems to understand the danger of communism. If you are the exception, I am happy to hear it.

             
          • SteelCon posted at 4:39 pm on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            One commenter suggests because he is a democRat he is not a Communist.

            There are millions of democRats that fit the description given to them by Vladimir Illyich Lenin, ..... they are "useful idiots". People who enthusiastically support Communist goals and objectives that are presented to them as "humanitarian" or "compassionate" And these democRats are incapable of extending out, the logical consequences of what is wrapped in shiny paper and sugar coated with beautiful empty words. Obamacare is an excellent example of what I am talking about.

            DemocRats are the kind of people who fail to see the "darkness" inside of what is presented to them as "light."

            Not recognizing the evil for what it truly is, millions of democRats take the Communist Party Line, and swallow it, ....... hook, line and sinker.

            In much the same way society refuses to allow certain mentally defective human beings the privilege of a driver's license. DemocRats voting to destroy this nation should be denied Voter Registration.

            Don't understand how DemocRats can be put in the same pod with Communists? Read the facts documented in the five or six books I recommended in the post below.

            Beyond reading books, it is perfectly understandable to me why DemocRats are not my "fellow Americans."

             
          • kohana posted at 1:12 pm on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Also remember that the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the Jewish refugees are also now in Israel. Don''t forget the Ethiopian Jews. Operation Moses began on November 18, 1984, and ended six weeks later on January 5, 1985. In that time, almost 8,000 Jews were rescued and brought to Israel.

            On Friday, May 24, and continuing non-stop for 36 hours, a total of 34 El Al jumbo jets and Hercules C-130s—seats removed to accommodate the maximum number of Ethiopians—began a new chapter in the struggle for the freedom of Ethiopian Jewry. A total of 14,324 Ethiopian Jews were rescued and resettled in Israel, a modern exodus of the grandest design. Operation Solomon rescued twice the number of Jews in Operation Moses and Joshua, in a mere fraction of the time.

            Tell me, have the Christians done as much to rescue their people from Islam countries that are slaughtering them, or the Hindus, Buddhists? Who rescues and saves? From what I can tell, only the Jews.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:59 pm on Sun, May 29, 2011.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            I'm not impressed with Dorothy Thompson, one sided reporting, anti-Semitic, and a useful idiot for the Muslims. The so-called Palestinian refugees must be absorbed into the Arab countries, let them use the monies and properties stolen from the Jews.

            http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/jewref.html

            Although much is heard about the plight of the Palestinian refugees, little is said about the Jews who fled from Arab states. In 1945, there were more than 870,000 Jews living in the various Arab states. Many of their communities dated back 2,500 years. Throughout 1947 and 1948 these Jews were persecuted. Their property and belongings were confiscated. There were anti-Jewish riots in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Iraq. In Iraq, Zionism was made a capital crime. Approximately 600,000 Jews sought refuge in the State of Israel. They arrived destitute, but they were absorbed into the society and became an integral part of the state. In effect, then, a veritable exchange of populations took place between Arab and Jewish refugees. Thus, the Jewish refugees from Arab countries became full Israeli citizens whereas the Arab refugees who fled their homes in Palestine, remained “refugees“ unaided by the neighboring Arab countries.
            Little is heard about the Jewish refugees because they did not remain refugees for long. Of the 820,000 Jewish refugees, 586,000 were resettled in Israel at great expense, and without any offer of compensation from the Arab governments who confiscated their possessions. During the 1947 UN debates, Arab leaders threatened the Jews living in their countries with expulsion and violence if partition were to occur. Egypt's delegate told the General Assembly: “The lives of one million Jews in Muslim countries would be jeopardized by partition.“ Following the 1947 United Nations vote to partition Palestine, Arab violence against Jews erupted throughout the Middle East and North Africa.
            On January 18, 1948, the president of the World Jewish Congress, Dr. Stephen Wise, appealed to U.S. Secretary of State George Marshall: “Between 800,000 and a million Jews in the Middle East and North Africa, exclusive of Palestine, are in 'the greatest danger of destruction' at the hands of Moslems being incited to holy war over the Partition of Palestine. . .Acts of violence already perpetrated, together with those contemplated, being clearly aimed at the total destruction of the Jews, constitute genocide, which under the resolutions of the General Assembly is a crime against humanity.“ The United States, however, did not take action to investigate these pleadings.
            On May 16, 1948, a New York Times Headline read “Jews in Grave Danger in all Muslim Lands: Nine Hundred Thousand in Africa and Asia face wrath of their foes.“ The story reported of a law drafted by the Arab League Political Committee “which was intended to govern the legal status of Jewish residents of Arab League countries. Their bank accounts would be frozen and used to finance resistance to 'Zionist ambitions in Palestine.' Jews believed to be active Zionists would be interned and their assets confiscated.“ Pogroms and persecutions, and grave fears for their future, regularly preceded the mass expulsions and exoduses of the Jews, whose ancestors had inhabited these regions from time immemorial. Beginning in 1948, more than 650,000 Jews left their homes in the Arab world to become refugees, and were eventually integrated into Israel, even as the country was being threatened with annihilation by neighboring Arab League states. Since their belongings were confiscated as the price of leaving from their repressive homelands, they arrived in Israel penniless, but they were welcomed and quickly absorbed into Israeli society. Approximately 300,000 more Jews found refuge, and a new homeland, in Europe and the Americas.
            Read more: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/jewref.html

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:58 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            With all of Frank's writing about Dorothy Thompson the past few weeks, I assume people have looked her up and got a feel for who she was? Certainly a strong woman.......

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Thompson
            Political Views

            Thompson was an active political proponent and a deeply democratic woman. She was strongly pro-women’s rights and anti-fascism. These political beliefs were very influential in her career and life in general; she was strongly guided by her political code. Thompson devoted much of her career to her anti-fascist ideology. Her most influential work came during World War II. After being a strong anti-fascism advocate in Germany until her expulsion, Thompson returned to the United States. Seeking a new issue and a new audience after the war, Thompson turned her attention to the Middle East. Although she had supported Zionism (the movement to establish a Jewish nation in Palestine) since 1920, she ultimately became anti-Zionist and pro-Arab when their methods appeared imperialistic.[2] She wrote an article in Commentary cautioning American Jews about Zionism as it would lead to dual loyalty. The Jewish Oscar Handlin rebutted her in the same issue. Later, she became very critical of the newly created state of Israel. She visited the Palestinian refugees camps in 1948 after the establishment of the state of Israel. She began to write and talk about the refugees' conditions during (Nakba or the Palestinian exodus)and criticized Israel. In 1950 she produced a documentary film about the Palestinian refugees under the title Sands Of Soro any sand grief, which is considered one of the oldest documentary film on the plight of Palestine (can be viewed on the internet under his name), the documentary has demonstrated the tragedy of Palestinian refugees and the Joint suffering. As a result, she was blocked by various media that were previously wish to work with her or even to hold a meeting with her, until she died in Portugal in 1961.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 11:30 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            "Damn your principles! Stick to your party." - Benjamin Disraeli

             
          • flyfish posted at 11:04 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            It is OK when Frank links liberals, progressives, Democrats, socialists and communists together as one, buy it is not OK to say that Republicans, social conservatives, tea party , white supremesists and nazis are all the same. Please explain to me why the double standard is allowed? As a moderate progessive Democrat I am no more a communist than most of my Republican friends are nazis. Until people in the media, both left and right get beyond childish name calling we will never be able to work together to solve the problems this country faces. Although if we did get beyond this childish behavior Frank would be out of a job.

             
          • OH WILBER posted at 10:05 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            @HTC
            You mention several quotes from Will Rogers in which you show your admiration and respect. Are you not putting principle ahead of popularity? Will Rogers was the leading political wit of the progressive era, and was a life-long democrat. It is very liberal of you to share his wit.

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:47 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            One of my favorite quotes"Everything about liberalism is a lie".

             
          • roylofquist posted at 8:47 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Frank, you ARE a crypto-Nazi, fascist, right-wing troglodyte. I am too. And I'm also a racist baby killer.

            I've been following politics for many years but I've never been emotionally involved to the point where I was angry with anyone. Played hockey for 45 years. That might have something to do with it. Even when I had to dish out some on-ice attitude adjustments it was never personal - just business.

            This is different. I lost my temper last week in front of a dear friend - at the damned TV! I haven't done that in many a year. Pols have always gone negative but this year it is so far over the top personal, without even a pretense of a rational debate. And they are going after their opponent's supporters. I can't remember when that has ever been done.

            If the American people don't throw these low-life cretins out then I guess I'll move to the mountains and become an angry old man. My people will have fallen and I won't want to have much to do with them. If they do humiliate the bastards I'll have a two-scoop schadenfreude sundae with extra walnuts - three times a day.

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:44 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            DFR's democrat senate and house majorities were 18-78 and 93-342 in 75th congress(1937-39).

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:59 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Some of my favorite quotes from Will Rogers:

            "Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what's going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?"

            "Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock."

            "Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."

            "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him "father."

            "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts."


             
          • SteelCon posted at 7:33 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            It is a pleasure to open a newspaper that is not drenched with dishonest socialist lies and contrived distortions. Frank Miele must know that his "Politically Incorrect" writing is not allowed by a large majority of the dominant liberal-socialist-democRat-Marxist sympathizing "journalism profession".

            In support of what I am saying there are other professional journalists who have written books about how dishones and untrustworthy the media is, and how they go about misleading the American public with their socialist inspired lies.

            Bernard Goldberg former 30-year CBS journalist did an excellent job exposing the lying liberals in the media with his two bestsellers, "Bias" and "Arrogance". And William McGowan another journalist wrote an excellent book titled: "Coloring the News: How Political Correctness Has Corrupted American Journalism."

            Lets be clear on something... It is democRats and their fellow traveling socialist friends in the Unions and the Communist Party USA who use "political correctness" to destroy our American freedom and our Constitution that supports America's "Republic" form of government.

            It is democRats and their Communist friends that cause Frank Miele to end his excellent Op-Ed above with the sentence, quote:

            "In fact, just by quoting Dorothy Thompson’s quasi-defense of McCarthy, I expect to be branded as a crypto-Nazi, a fascist or a right-wing troglodyte. That’s just the way liberals express their tolerance of ideas they don’t agree with."

            We need not look across the seas for the next war to come. The enemy is among us, and inside the gates.

            Another Consevative woman and poignant current writer is Ann Coulter. Read Ann's books, "Treason: Liberal Treachery From The Cold War To The War On Terrorism", - "Slander: Liberal Lies About The American Right" - "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" - and now Ann's latest harpoon into the heart of Communism in America ......."Demonic: How The Liberal Mob Is Endangering America."

            How widespread is this diseased cross fertilization of DemocRat-Communist in our nation today? They live right here in Flathead Country and you don't have to look very far or very hard to find one.

             
          • nailheadtom posted at 7:15 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Journalists with regular columns have been some of America's best writers and thinkers but strangely are soon forgotten when their bylines no longer appear. H.L. Mencken, Will Rogers, William Cowper Brann, Westbrook Pegler, and others were the stars of the golden age of newspapers but most people today have never heard of them. Sadly, the population doesn't realize that many of the current problems are hardly unique, but have been discussed and analyzed in depth throughout history. .

             
          • naturalresources posted at 6:33 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

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            Rob..."That's funny! "Which version, old sage? The one where Puritans talk about Slick Willy's willy? Or the one where McCarthy did Guilt by Association and screwed one's life up on hearsay".

            Natres...I'm talking about the version where slick Willie did irreparable harm to the office of the President of the United States of America. The one where the left bashed anyone who dared to mention the despicable behavior of the leader of the free world, let alone try tp prosecute him for his outright lying tactics that were accepted and promoted by everyone on the left as normal behaviour for someone of his politcal stature. The one that damaged a lot of young peoples perspective in the United States, who looked up to the President as a leader, and put them on a collision course of disrespect of our own country.
            Go figure...Rob.....isn't it funny?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:01 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

            Rob123 Posts: 6604

            "Young people beware of revisionist history."

            That's funny! "Which version, old sage? The one where Puritans talk about Slick Willy's willy? Or the one where McCarthy did Guilt by Association and screwed one's life up on hearsay? Or maybe your favorite, the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution?"

             
          • naturalresources posted at 5:11 am on Sun, May 29, 2011.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            Great article, Frank.
            One thing that caught my attention is the reference to McCarthyism.
            As I recall, even Ken Starr was accused of McCarthyism by the left for unveiling the obvious truths about slick Willy. Who would have ever believed what took place in the oval office? Yet Ken Starr took the beating.
            Young people beware of revisionist history.