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Posted: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:30 pm | Updated: 8:48 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

There have been lots of interesting responses to last week’s column about Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, but none more interesting than the response of al-Mansour himself.

I accidentally put al-Mansour back in the national spotlight with my column about a 1979 article by Chicago Tribune writer Vernon Jarrett that stated unequivocally that al-Mansour was trying at that time to put together a massive aid program to benefit minority colleges and students with money from Arab countries.

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          241 comments:

          • Rob123 posted at 6:57 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: " I sure wouldn't loan any of them any money, ...."

            Well! I don't borrow dirty money.

            p.s. I miss the 6th grade recess bully. Thanks for showing up.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:38 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Former "Reading Rainbow" host LeVar Burton is PISSED after Mitt Romney threatened to cut PBS funding last night -- telling TMZ, Romney would be stealing an invaluable educational resource from underprivileged children.

            Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2012/10/04/levar-burton-reading-rainbow-pbs-mitt-romney/#ixzz28Z2aHWBG

            This is so much cow patties it’s unreal. PBS is floating in money and doesn’t need puboic support, and LeVar Burton is also floating in money, he’s one of the 1%.

            http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/05/pbsrip

            LeVar Burton’s mother was Erma Christian, a dear and close friend. I met her in Feb 1982. We had a long working relationship until about 1996 when I retired from the Sacramento County Dept of Human Services. Erma had already left Sacramento Co. and had taken a position with the State in Elderly Abuse.

            LeVar seems to have a leftist view these days, very different from his mother. There wasn't a drop of prejudiced blood in Erma, and she didn't put up with garbage from anyone, least of all her famous son. She was the person who taught me many of the tricks and lies people would pull to get fraudulent welfare assistant. Her son's fame didn't impress her much. Erma insisted LeVar and his sisters take full responsibility for their lives and acts. She would tell me stories of their growing up and antics of their teen years. A lovely woman.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:19 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob, I liked your Chinese joke, and understood it when you posted it.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            I looked it up, under what circumstances someone could arrest the sitting POTUS for breaking a law or committing a criminal act, or even treason, and, THERE IS NONE. The president cannot be arrested, due to our constitution and laws, as this prevents the takeover of our government by the military, or invasions, etc. He first has to be impeached which makes him an ex-president. However, it would be unlikely he'd be arrested as the newly sworn in V.P. would probably be pardoned, as Ford did Nixon.

            What really, really, bothers me, is why our congress has not seen fit to impeach him during all these years.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:06 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: "There you go, again!"

            HTC: That worked well for Reagan but, from you, it merely sounds desperate and hollow.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:59 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HighTechCowboy posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            "There you go, again!"

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:56 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Thank you, Frank for unmasking the Mansourian Candidate.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            kohana: Circumventing the law - again

            HTC: Every notice how many times Bronco, Reagan-Dem, jennydoe, Rob123 and others choose to overlook the unlawful and frequently immoral acts of Obama? I sure wouldn't loan any of them any money, as it would seem certain that their morals and ethics are on the level of Chicago sewer scum.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:43 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: You do understand how many participants it would take to pull off a conspiracy of this nature?

            HTC: Yes, I do: Only a handful. When you understand how the household survey is done, you realize it would only take a couple of people who knew what they were doing to massage the phone database without anyone else's knowledge.

            Far easier than LBJ's Gulf of Tonkin fabrication and look how long LBJ got away with that lie! He managed to get a whole nation to go to war over that one!

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            JB: "....who'd you go to this time.......The Onion.....???"

            No, I thunked it up all by my lonesome.......

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:32 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Pete posted at 7:16 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012

            I couldn't help but wonder if any of those youthful idiots might be related to Bronco.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:17 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558


            Rob123 posted at 3:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.


            THAT's why I keep asking people to CITE their sources...........who'd you go to this time.......The Onion.....???

             
          • kohana posted at 4:08 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob, I suspect China wouldn't touch this. Those "Prison Planet" shows must be airing again in CA.

            http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/36526/fema-camps-jesse-venturas-conspiracy-theory-debunked/

             
          • kohana posted at 3:49 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Drat! Mythology again.... had to call my friend at tell her the "detention camps" was debunked in 2009 by Glen Beck and by Popular Mechanics.

            http://www.prisonplanet.com/conspiracy-theory-with-jesse-ventura-fema-camps-police-state.html

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            kohana posted at 2:26 pm:

            From what I could gather from the web, the Chinese Bankers were all excited about the financing of said detention camps, however the Chinese Government stepped in and passed a law that "no more than 7.5% of the U.S.Debt can be held by China". Since it currently holds 8%, some selling has started, again. When asked why the new limits, the Chinese Government stated "We have great concerns over Human Rights Violations in America".

            But I will keep looking.....ya never know.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:26 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Does anyone here know anything about "detention camps" being built? A friend just called me about them. I will have to research.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:16 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            JBSTONE posted at 12:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012
            "Obama did not want to come off as "unlikeable" to important independent white voters by coming across as angry and defensive."

            What’s to be angry about if you make positive statements regarding your accomplishments? He had no economic achievements to defend. Just about everything he touched went downhill. It’s going to be just as bad as to his foreign policy. It’s all gone wrong in all venues, plus he allowed his ambassador to get assassinated, along with 3 other Americans. Not much there to brag about.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 1:43 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Debate with empty chair.........???

            http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n546/Cars514/Theemptychair.jpg

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 12:34 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            A PROGRESSIVE TAKES THE STAND..........

            DrFrank2012 wrote:You'd think David Remnick and friends - who, unlike myself, are establishment press people - would know Obama better than to think that what happened last week was anything less than intentional, and a stroke of genius. First of all, Obama did not want to come off as "unlikeable" to important independent white voters by coming across as angry and defensive. In America, only white politicians can pull this off successfully. Obama in contrast played it cool; and frankly, the fact that he allowed Romney to get away with lie after lie without calling him on it has created a sympathy among every person white and black watching events play out. Accordingly, in the second debate, Obama will have a mandate to let loose. And that he will. It is difficult to believe that people continue to underestimate Obama's genius. Wind bag anger ala Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, Rachel Maddow, etc. will not win white independents (and certainly not the angry black man ala Al Sharpton...sadly, that is the reality in this country). You underestimate Obama's political genius at your own peril. This was calculated from the very beginning.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:43 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            EPA at it's finest:

            October 6, 2012
            An Eco-Fascist Gassing Experiment with Diesel Fumes at the EPA
            By Mark Musser

            It has been recently revealed that the EPA has far surpassed the dark humor of blowing up kids and people on film that global warming scare-mongers promoted a few years back. In real life, the EPA has been conducting human experiments on people by piping diesel fumes from a running truck mixed with air into their lungs at a North Carolina university. The agency has ginned up yet another green crusade -- the lethal dangers of diesel fumes. They even had a gas chamber set up to accommodate the environmental research project that shockingly recalls the death camps in Poland.

            Not surprisingly, the EPA is now in the process of being sued for conducting dangerous experiments on human guinea pigs. The courts will decide whether or not serious laws and practices were violated, including the international Nuremberg Code that was set up after sixteen Nazi doctors were executed for medical terrorism. After the barbaric fallout of Nazi Germany, where many people were treated like experimental animals, the Nuremberg Code was designed to be an international governing set of principles to regulate the practice of human experimentation. The whiff of the Jewish holocaust is therefore unmistakable.

            When the Nazis found out how difficult it was in practice to shoot so many Jews on the Eastern Front at the outset of the war, they switched to gassing them en masse at death camps with engine fumes. Such gassing methods became notorious at Treblinka, where almost one million Jews were killed.

            In the early part of the war, the infamous commandant of Auschwitz, Rudolf Hoess, visited Treblinka. Hoess testified at Nuremberg that the Treblinka motor room used tank and truck engines to pipe diesel fumes into the gas chambers. According to Hoess, it usually took about half an hour before the gas chambers fell silent. Another half-hour passed before the doors were opened.

            Hoess commented that the engine fumes at Treblinka were not always entirely effective in killing the Jews. While all the victims fell unconscious, many of them were still alive and had to be shot afterwards. Adolf Eichmann told Hoess that they were experiencing the same problems in other death camps at the time. Auschwitz used Zyklon B, which was far more effective.

            The Nazis killed so many people that they were forced to industrialize the process by making crematoriums that turned countless cadavers into ashes. All of the ghastly work connected to this assembly line of death was performed by Jewish victims, called Special Detachment Jews, whom the Nazis specifically kept alive for this very purpose. When the war effort started to go badly for Germany, the Special Detachment Jews were required to unearth old bodies that had been buried and burn them up, too.

            When Hoess was forced to oversee such a grisly operation at Auschwitz, he would recover from such horrifying scenes by finding solace in nature: "If I was deeply affected by some incident, I found it impossible to go back to my home and my family. I would mount my horse and ride, until I had chased the terrible picture away. Often at night, I would walk through the stables and seek relief among my beloved animals."

            Hoess's nature-loving tendencies are far more revealing than most scholars would care to admit. While Jews were treated like experimental animals and were burned up in sacrificial smoke, Hoess said his family lived a free and untrammeled life: "My wife's garden was a paradise of flowers." Hoess was far more concerned about untreated stormwater discharging directly from the camp into the nearby Sola River than he was about the incredible slaughterhouse plans that the Nazi leaders were foisting upon him. The cunning of nature was indeed an escape route from moral responsibility.

            When Rudolf Hoess stood trial at Nuremberg, he concluded his testimony by saying he was not a sadistic man and that he had never sanctioned the extermination of the Jews. He was even proud of how much more humane the gassing process was at Auschwitz compared to Treblinka.

            Rudolf Hoess was SS. The SS was the greenest faction of the Nazi Party. It was run by Heinrich Himmler, who was an animal lover, vegetarian, and organic farming enthusiast. Himmler detested hunting. In an instructional letter sent to Dachau Concentration Camp and Ester-wegen, Himmler stated, "I wish the SS and the police also will be exemplary in the love of nature. Within the course of a few years the property of the SS and the police must become paradises for animals and Nature." In many ways, the SS was Hitler's "green" praetorian guard.

            Both Hoess and Himmler belonged to a proto-Nazi wandervogel youth group called the Artamanens. The wandervogels of the early 20th century in Germany were nature-loving youth groups that promoted many green ideas and practices. Artaman basically means "country man," with certain racial-indigenous connotations.

            The SS promoted an ideology called "blood and soil," where evolutionary biological racism, peasant agrarianism, and environmentalism were all fused together into a fascist whole. Many leading SS men actually believed that German racial biology was being destroyed by the cosmopolitan life of the cities, that Germans were being uprooted from their homeland and enslaved to the artificial materialistic values of what they considered to be international Jewish capitalism and communism. The Jews were vilified for their city ways. They were also considered unnatural and outside the evolutionary laws of biological racism. Many Nazis believed that such a violation of the "scientific" laws of Nature had to be remedied.

            This flammable cocktail between German biology and environmentalism was at the heart of the holocaust at death camps like Treblinka. When Jews were crammed into cattle cars on the way to Treblinka, the SS broke strict animal transport laws the Nazis themselves established. While the SS side of Treblinka was a virtual garden camp, the Jewish side was a hell on earth. While the SS were all involved in rehabilitating fox populations on their side of the camp, Jews were being exterminated on such a massive scale that the gravestones that still stand today at the Treblinka monument do not have individual names on them, only entire cities. While the SS had beautiful picnic grounds that showcased a little zoo, the last sight that the Jews were given before they entered the gas chambers was the most exquisite flower garden in the entire camp. After Treblinka was closed down, the Nazis planted lupine on top of what was left of the Jewish graves. Lupines are wolf flowers. Hitler used to call the SS his pack of wolves.

            While no one died in the EPA's gas chambers, the agency is increasingly acting like proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. Under the guise of acting on behalf of everyone's health, the EPA has crossed a pathological line where people have been potentially treated like experimental animals under questionable methods that conjure up the horrors of the holocaust. More telling is the EPA subjected human beings to a concoction of diesel fumes that it already said was lethal. If the EPA were truly concerned about human health, they would not have performed such experiments on more than forty people in the first place.

            Mark Musser is a contributing writer for the Cornwall Alliance, which is a coalition of clergy, theologians, religious leaders, scientists, academics, and policy experts committed to bringing a balanced biblical view of stewardship to the critical issues of environment and development. Mark is also the author of Nazi Oaks and Wrath or Rest.

            Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/../2012/10/the_ghastly_echoes_of_treblinkas_diesel_fumes_at_the_epa.html at October 06, 2012 - 12:37:03 PM CDT

             
          • kohana posted at 11:32 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            October 6, 2012
            Circumventing the law - again
            Bruce Johnson

            The President seems completely comfortable with circumventing passed law and Congress itself. With his instructions for ICE agents to disregard portions of passed immigration law still fresh, instructions are issued from the Department of Labor to employers to disregard WARN Act notifications.

            "DOL concluded that it is neither necessary nor appropriate for Federal contractors to provide WARN Act notice to employees 60 days in advance of the potential sequestration because of uncertainty about whether sequestration will occur and, if it did, what effect it would have on particular contracts, ..."

            Additionally, the Office of Management and Budget insulated contractors from any legal costs that might be incurred in contract complications due to following this new guideline from the Federal Government. What powers they possess!

            From the aforementioned report, "...any resulting employee compensation costs for WARN Act liability as determined by a court, as well as attorneys' fees and other litigation costs (irrespective of litigation outcome), would qualify as allowable costs and be covered by the contracting agency, if otherwise reasonable and allocable."

            Could it be political considerations?

            It is no wonder that this President and those who advise him view the Constitution as an impediment rather than a guide. Anyone who listened to his National Pubic Radio interview back in 2001 was forewarned of his attitude, but it was difficult to measure his brash disregard. I think we now have the full measure.

            Bruce Johnson

            Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/circumventing_the_law_-_again.html at October 06, 2012 - 12:24:50 PM CDT

             
          • Reagan-Dem posted at 11:24 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Reagan-Dem Posts: 21

            Bronco amen to your comment Fri. 11:26pm!!!

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:16 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            I think HTC is in this lineup:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrC2pFaaR70&feature=youtu.be

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            Ya ever notice how so many "odd" things seem to crop up with this regime? Then everyone starts analyzing while Comrade/King Obama gives speeches about how great he is. He's counting on the "stupid vote" to get him reelected.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:32 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: No, I'm inclined to buy into his theory because it fits the facts, those nasty little things that you and Bronco so abhor.

            You do understand how many participants it would take to pull off a conspiracy of this nature? Rooms full of Dr. Spencer's crunching numbers and then with a 'wink and a nod' all fudging the results with not a single whistle blower! That's a big one, Cowboy! Not even the Chief Explain-er of the Chicago Commodity Pits/Bond Trading Floor, and an original Tea Party member, Rick Santelli, is willing to go that far. "It stinks!"......I agree with that, BUT NOT you and your rush to the Guillotine.

             
          • Pete posted at 8:02 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152


            “We had 600,000 government jobs added in the last two months. We had 873,00 jobs by a household survey — which is a total estimate — from 50,000 phone calls. Of those, 600,000 were temporary workers. Chris, these numbers are all a series of assumptions. Tons of assumptions. And it just seems somewhat coincidental that the month before the election, the numbers go one-tenth of a point below where the president started. Although, I don’t see anything in the economy that says these surges are true.” - Jack Welch

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:58 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            HTC: It was the treasonous liberal media seeking to destroy their weak and inept candidate's competition who made this a tempest in a teapot. (I find it hilarious that they've NEVER stopped campaigning for him since 2008 .......

            Boy thats for sure. (I use boy merely as a figure of speech).

             
          • Pete posted at 7:51 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Jobs Report Met with Skepticism

            Labor secretary responds

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jobs-report-met-skepticism_653731.html

             
          • Pete posted at 7:44 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 6:23 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012

            The real question is whether you are buying the jobs report and its 'Highest one month jump in 29 years..." And, oh gosh...a revised number won't be available until after the election so you're going to have to think for yourself.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:37 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:46 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012

            When they were done chanting, the USDA took up the next item on their agenda.... "Terrorism And Our Food Supply: How the Amish are threatening the homeland with free-range chicken eggs and whole milk." Also known as "Drones Over Lancaster".

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:29 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: So, you are buying into Jack Welch's political conspiracy theory concerning statistics and the labor department, since it suits your politics and personal psychology?

            HTC: No, I'm inclined to buy into his theory because it fits the facts, those nasty little things that you and Bronco so abhor.

            Historically, the "underemployed" (those working part time) have never been included in the jobs data which suddenly showed over 800,000 jobs created in one month after months of declining job growth which, in the previous month, only amounted to one-eighth that amount.

            You probably won't see that happen again because Obama only needed that one boost, just before the election.

            But you're obviously inclined to overlook a multitude of sins where Obama is concerned, perhaps because "it suits your politics and personal psychology?"

            And you progressives need to decide whether we had a great economy during the Bush years which was a 'bubble' or a bad economy because Bush was an 'idiot.' You change stories more frequently than you change your underwear.

            The housing bubble could have been reined in early, and the GOP even tried a few times, but the Democrats blocked those efforts. Don't believe me? Then, will you believe these Democrats:

            “I think that the responsibility that the Democrats had may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress, or by me when I was President, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.” – Former President Bill Clinton (D-AR), September 25, 2008 (of course, Clinton is lying about his own role since he amended the CRA to BOOST subprime lending.)

            “Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong.” – Congressman Artur Davis (D-AL) , September 30, 2008

             
          • Pete posted at 7:28 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012

            "ALL electrons have a NEGATIVE charge."

            They aren't going to believe it until it's confirmed by their science guru Al Gore and he's busy calculating the effects of altitude on Barry's IQ. [smile]

             
          • Pete posted at 7:16 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/10/05/Obama-Supporters-President-Should-Have-Teleprompter-At-Debates

            [beam]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:46 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            USDA diversity training session included "our forefathers were illegal immigrants" chant, group claims
            October 04, 2012

            The U.S. government paid a Chicago consultant hundreds of thousands of dollars to put on diversity training workshops that, according to one watchdog, included an exercise in which employees were told to chant "our forefathers were illegal immigrants."

            Conservative group Judicial Watch made the claim this week as it released a handful of documents pertaining to the program -- and alleged that the sessions held by the Department of Agriculture ended up enforcing political views more than promoting tolerance.

            "Instead of being diversity-oriented or tolerance-oriented, it's more about adopting a mindset," said Lisette Garcia, a senior investigator with the group. "It seemed to go so far as to encourage illegal immigration."

            But the USDA denied that the workshop was anything more than a training exercise to "examine stereotypes."

            "Participants did not chant during these workshops," a department official said. "In one portion of the session, the presenter had participants repeat provocative and potentially offensive phrases as part of an exercise to examine stereotypes. The statements were not reflective of USDA or its policy."

            Judicial Watch began to investigate the sessions earlier this year after being approached by a tipster at USDA who was "offended" by them, Garcia said. Judicial Watch claims it has identified at least $200,000 spent by the USDA over the last two years on the company Souder, Betances & Associates.

            The USDA later confirmed that amount.

            The tipster, Garcia said, described one session in which the speaker led workers in chanting "our forefathers were illegal immigrants" while pounding on the table and getting others in the room to join in.

            "How does that fit into the USDA mission at all?" she said. "The price tag makes it more egregious."

            It's unclear how much total federal money was spent on these kinds of sessions at USDA and other agencies. Federal contract records show the Department of Defense has also contracted with the company, though it's unclear what that work entailed. The company's website says its clients include an array of federal departments, from Commerce to Energy and Interior, as well as USDA.

            "For over a decade Souder, Betances and Associates has been a leader in the field of diversity training and consulting," the company site says.

            The USDA did not confirm or dispute the anecdote from Judicial Watch about the illegal immigrant chant. However, in a statement to FoxNews.com, a USDA spokesperson stressed that the sessions were meant to foster diversity and were well-received by employees.

            "USDA offers a number of optional workshops and professional development opportunities in order to help employees better serve our customers," the statement said. "The Souder Betances & Associates sessions were designed to foster overall diversity awareness -- not to focus on any specific minority group -- and received positive feedback from employees across the department."

            A representative with Souder, Betances & Associates did not return a request for comment.

            Judicial Watch apparently has received little documentation from the USDA on the program, but it released an email exchange in which a USDA official discusses the "diversity intelligence advantage course" with an official from the Chicago firm. In one email from January, the USDA official asked about when he might be able to attend the course later in the year.

            Another email released by the group showed an analyst at USDA who handles record requests advising other records officers about the Judicial Watch request. The officer said that most would probably issue a "no records denial" but said because of the group's history of lawsuits "I want to at least say a USDA wide search for material was conducted despite ... knowing that most ... agencies will have no records."

            Judicial Watch later wrote in a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack that the email "reinforced the expectation of agency noncooperation."

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/usda-diversity-training-session-included-illegal-immigrants-chant-group-claims/?test=latestnews

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:23 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            So, you are buying into Jack Welch's political conspiracy theory concerning statistics and the labor department, since it suits your politics and personal psychology? Shouldn't you acknowledge the role that old Jack had in turning General Electric from a manufacturing power house into a huge player in the bubble economy during the go-go days of the Bush-Cheney debt reign with G.E.Capital ending up at the Discount Window of the Federal Reserve in order to survive? At least mention it, FGS. That will allow your followers to freely decide how much credibility to place in an old man's theory of conspiracy, unless you love the power of dragging people around with a fish hook and line?

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:26 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: Since you don't know that you're a progressive, I doubt you'd know a real conservative either. Or maybe I should say that I doubt a real conservative would want to know you.
            ------------------------
            Yep...you're one of a kind. Like my last BM.
            What a condescending prik. Why anyone here in the room can stomach you is beyond belief. I guess when one signs the Republican contract, one also denies any concerns for one's fellow human beings...unless they are kin. How very Appalachian. GO HATFIELDS!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:18 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: "Many"? Really? As in "Many electrons have a positive charge. Most don't.".

            HTC: ALL electrons have a NEGATIVE charge. Some (the Paul Krugmans of electrons) would have a positive charge if they could profit from doing so; but, since electrons are elementary particles, they aren't capable of violating their character like Paul Krugman does.

            Most economists agree that the REAL employment data is bad. Employer jobs data shows fewer jobs created than last month or the month before, continuing the downward trend.. The household survey has a margin of error of plus of minus 400,000 jobs, so it's a complete joke. The drop in unemployment is primarily due to people getting desperate and taking part time, seasonal jobs and more people giving up looking for work.

            Of course the Liar-in-Chief, is spinning it to his advantage anyway and his nondiscriminating base is lapping it up like the good little Obamatons that they are.

            Perhaps you are as well?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: This was posted by my very Conservative friend on his Facebook page.

            HTC: Since you don't know that you're a progressive, I doubt you'd know a real conservative either. Or maybe I should say that I doubt a real conservative would want to know you.

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:51 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: Ah, yes, progressive "enlightenment": What if reality wasn't real and we could live entirely for ourselves?
            This 'enlightenment' is the real reason why progressives want everyone else to buy stuff for them.
            -----------------------------
            This was posted by my very Conservative friend on his Facebook page. He's a construction worker with a wife & three kids. I showed him what you said about his post. He said you're an idiot and he feels sorry for your kids.

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:41 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            UP.

            ..................................................waiting for HTC to put that down too, like he does every post on mine.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:47 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: "Is the Obama administration fudging employment data? Many economists and CEOs think so."

            "Many"? Really? As in "Many electrons have a positive charge. Most don't.".

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 4:22 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            THe New Yorker's take on the debate:

            http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/romneyemptychair-441x600.jpg

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:10 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: First, some enlightenment: What if Money was no Object?

            HTC: Ah, yes, progressive "enlightenment": What if reality wasn't real and we could live entirely for ourselves?

            This 'enlightenment' is the real reason why progressives want everyone else to buy stuff for them.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:57 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            kohana: "The media is like the man with the shovel following behind Obama the circus elephant." [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • kohana posted at 10:25 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Remember-When-You-Could-Call-an-Archbishop-s-Theology-Oppressive-and-Still-Expect-a-Warm-Welcome#comments

            Remember When You Could Call an Archbishop’s Theology Oppressive and Still Expect a Warm Welcome?

            Mollie Hemingway, Ed.

            In anticipation of Salvatore Cordileone’s installation as Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco yesterday, Marc Andrus, the Episcopalian Bishop of California, issued what could be called a welcome letter. Here's how a friend characterized it:

            Welcome to Super Gay San Francisco, Salvatore! I'll be civil toward you because we've worked together on the Millennium Development Goals, but I consider your theology about sex oppressive and will not sugar-coat that. Meanwhile, I trust you will never say anything critical of the Episcopal Church or of me. And hey, if anyone in your archdiocese's sexual left is reading this, life is great in the Episcopal Church. Come on over!

            Read the rest, and the comments, a delightful read.

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Remember-When-You-Could-Call-an-Archbishop-s-Theology-Oppressive-and-Still-Expect-a-Warm-Welcome#comments

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:22 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            First, some enlightenment: What if Money was no Object?

            http://www.wimp.com/noobject/

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 10:14 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            IT JUST GETS WORSE...........

            Obama's Mask Slips
            By Pamela Geller

            Much is being made of the devastating blow that Mitt Romney administered to President Obama in the first presidential debate Wednesday night. Romney was masterful; Obama was incomprehensible. Romney was presidential; Obama was incoherent. Romney schooled Obama; Obama responded by doing the hand motions to "The Wheels On the Bus Go Round and Round." Republicans and conservatives alike were cheering. Even Romney skeptics like me happily conceded that Romney was the right guy all along. There will be an October surprise from the Obama camp, but they got one themselves Wednesday night.

            Obama was rambling, fumbling, stuttering. He was terrible. This was a great night for freedom-lovers. If sixty million Americans were watching, freedom has a shot at resuscitation. Even Obama's own camp was crestfallen. Bill Maher tweeted: "Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." And: "I can't believe I'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter." Maher is noticing only now? Andrew Sullivan tweeted in dismay: "This is a rolling calamity for Obama."

            But is Obama worried? Not for a second. He doesn't care. Because that's not his job. Obama is merely the pretty face for the über-left monster. Let's face it: Obama is merely a figurehead. A happy face for the anti-American, anti-individual, anti-capitalist revolution. He's a movie star, nothing more. He's an impressive façade with nothing behind it, like a Hollywood set. But the American people should be concerned about his puppet masters: Reverend Wright, George Soros, Bill Ayers, and a cabal of Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood operatives. That's who's running the country.

            Obama is implementing and instituting everything on the radical, socialist, and Islamic supremacist wish list, without compromise. As far as Obama is concerned, it's up to them to deliver him. It's up to the culture, it's up to the media, it's up to J-Lo and the other soulless airheads in Hollywood. Obama is merely the face that the monster is wearing.

            So is he worried? Not on your life. His contempt for the American intellect has been demonstrated. He doesn't think his constituency is even watching. They get their talking points from the mothership -- whether it's Media Matters, the Center for American Progress, or MSNBC. Goebbels-style talking points devoid of logic, accuracy, and fact. Obama goes on The View, Letterman, and Jimmy Kimmel, and he would even go on Romper Room if it were still on the air, exuding cool, hip, and groovy vibrations. And all is right with the world, even as U.S. embassies are attacked, our ambassadors are killed, jihadi revolutions overthrow our secular allies, and the economic machine that empowers this magnificent nation is routed, and the Saturday Night Live band plays on. What, me worry?

            As soon as the bell rang on the close of the debate, the leftist/Islamic machine went into huddle and started hammering on an imaginary inconsistency in Romney's flawless performance. And they've been jackhammering ever since. Obama knows this going in: he's counting on America watching Real Housewives of...pick a city. But sixty million people watched. Can they be talked out of what they saw? Chris Matthews and the rest of Obama's media and civilian army are counting on it.

            Obama doesn't have to worry because the media will provide for all his deficiencies. As far as the left is concerned, the debate doesn't start until after it's over. The media is like the man with the shovel following behind Obama the circus elephant. Ever since the debate ended, they've been in fifth gear, spinning a completely new narrative. America, don't believe your eyes; believe the leftist lies. They are busy answering points Romney made and impugning the accuracy of Romney's assertions.

            And if miraculously Romney pulls it out, Obama will not accept any of the blame. Instead, the blame will lie squarely on the shoulders of the enormous leftist machine.

            Is it true that it doesn't matter? That as brilliant and in command and presidential as Romney was, it's a fait accompli? That remains to be seen. There's no question about it: the first presidential debate was a game-changer. The question is: is the game already over? That question will ultimately be answered by the American people.

            Is Obama right, and we are beneath contempt? Unworthy of respect? And this great constitutional republic that millions before us fought and died for is also unworthy of respect and beyond redemption? Or will the wheels on Obama's bus come off before the finish line? That's the question.

            Pamela Geller is the publisher of AtlasShrugs.com and the author of the WND Books title Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/obamas_mask_slips.html#ixzz28RS5amti

             
          • kohana posted at 10:08 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            More of the game plan:

            October 5, 2012
            Obama's Debate Con?
            Lee DeCovnick

            Barack Obama has always been a fine actor and Wednesday night he deftly played the role of a debate loser with Oscar-worthy brilliance. I think it was a con.

            During my college days I hustled pool to make ends meet. The "hustle" was to give the "mark" enough adrenaline that he really thought he could beat me with money on the line. That meant losing decisively, with feigned emotion, early and often.

            Isn't that what's happening now, after the first debate, a simple hustle to create the appropriate emotions in the Obama base? The Obama campaign can then channel these amped up emotions into a much stronger turnout than his miserable performance in office would otherwise generate.

            America loves the underdog, the bottom-of-the-ninth inning home run and the Hail Mary pass with two seconds left in the fourth quarter. The $750 an hour Democratic political consultants also know this phenomenon well. So, perhaps there were paid focus groups this past spring that batted around what kind of big come-from-behind "wins" in October might look like for Obama; big enough to overcome all the truly lousy economic news and a resurgent Republican?

            Does anyone doubt that this Administration has already coordinated a series of well-planned domestic and foreign policy "October surprises" during the final month of the Presidential campaign? To believe otherwise is naïve at best. Manipulation of the public mood with the cooperation of the media is what the Obama political team does best.

            One possible October surprise could be, as WND.com speculated:

            Iran could announce a temporary halt to uranium enrichment before next month's U.S. election in a move to save Barack Obama's presidency, (emphasis added) a source affiliated with high Iranian officials said today.

            The source, who remains anonymous for security reasons, said a three-person delegation of the Obama administration led by a woman engaged in secret negotiations yesterday with a representative of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

            The delegation urged the Iranian leader to announce a halt to enrichment, even if temporary, before the Nov. 6 election, promising removal of some sanctions.

            The source said the delegation warned that a Mitt Romney presidency would change the U.S. relationship with Iran regarding its nuclear program.

            The U.S. representatives reminded the Iranians that President Obama has stood in front of Israel, preventing the Jewish state from attacking Iran over its illicit nuclear arms policy.
            Yesterday's meeting, which took place in Doha, Qatar, was coordinated by the Qatar monarchy, whose members attended at the request of the Obama administration.

            A second (brietbart.com) October surprise has also been surmised:

            A report in The Telegraph suggests the White House is considering drone strikes in Mali against Al Qaeda.

            According to the report, the attacks could be carried out by intelligence agencies rather than the U.S. military per se. This allows the Obama administration to attack Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) and simultaneously stand by head of U.S. Africa Command General Carter Ham's statement that there are "no plans for U.S. direct military intervention."

            When asked, White House spokesman Tanya Bradsher did not confirm or deny the report. She would only say: "The President has been clear about his goal to destroy Al-Qaeda's network and we work toward that goal every day."

            Perhaps these strikes are to be the October surprise intended to make a flailing foreign policy president look strong?

            And a third October surprise too. From breitbart.com

            Today, a Defense Department official confirmed to Breitbart News that there is advance planning for a "substantial air package" against targets in Libya. Military sources suggest that this means that flight missions against Libyan targets will include manned flights, not merely drones.

            The New York Times reported yesterday that the Obama administration is preparing an operation to "kill or capture militants" involved in the Benghazi attack resulting in the murder of our ambassador to Libya and three other Americans. According to the Times, the Joint Special Operations Command is putting together "so-called target packages of detailed information about the suspects." These files are a coordinated project with the CIA and the Pentagon.

            Can you imagine the MSM headlines and cable news bulletins? " The O's Magic Is Back!" There would be 24-hour wall-to-wall coverage on these stories. $4.60 a gallon gas, who cares? Manufacturing down, so what? Our guys just wiped out some bad guys and there was live video from the UAV! Mitt who?

            On a much more serious note, let's ask the question that stalks this election. Is it possible that the Libyan and Egyptian attacks occurred through a selective negligence by senior members of the Administration, so that the follow up military strikes would be timed to influence the election? Knowing what we do about the character of this President and his hand picked amoral sycophants, is there any doubt that such ideas are not only warranted, but demand a further exploration.

            Page Printed from: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/obamas_debate_con.html at October 05, 2012 - 10:45:25 AM CDT

             
          • kohana posted at 10:04 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            The left shouldn't be too dismayed about Obama's failure Wed's night, they just don't know his game plan.

            October 5, 2012
            Obama's Mask Slips
            By Pamela Geller

            Much is being made of the devastating blow that Mitt Romney administered to President Obama in the first presidential debate Wednesday night. Romney was masterful; Obama was incomprehensible. Romney was presidential; Obama was incoherent. Romney schooled Obama; Obama responded by doing the hand motions to "The Wheels On the Bus Go Round and Round." Republicans and conservatives alike were cheering. Even Romney skeptics like me happily conceded that Romney was the right guy all along. There will be an October surprise from the Obama camp, but they got one themselves Wednesday night.

            Obama was rambling, fumbling, stuttering. He was terrible. This was a great night for freedom-lovers. If sixty million Americans were watching, freedom has a shot at resuscitation. Even Obama's own camp was crestfallen. Bill Maher tweeted: "Obama made a lot of great points tonight. Unfortunately, most of them were for Romney." And: "I can't believe I'm saying this, but Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter." Maher is noticing only now? Andrew Sullivan tweeted in dismay: "This is a rolling calamity for Obama."

            But is Obama worried? Not for a second. He doesn't care. Because that's not his job. Obama is merely the pretty face for the über-left monster. Let's face it: Obama is merely a figurehead. A happy face for the anti-American, anti-individual, anti-capitalist revolution. He's a movie star, nothing more. He's an impressive façade with nothing behind it, like a Hollywood set. But the American people should be concerned about his puppet masters: Reverend Wright, George Soros, Bill Ayers, and a cabal of Islamic supremacist Muslim Brotherhood operatives. That's who's running the country.

            Obama is implementing and instituting everything on the radical, socialist, and Islamic supremacist wish list, without compromise. As far as Obama is concerned, it's up to them to deliver him. It's up to the culture, it's up to the media, it's up to J-Lo and the other soulless airheads in Hollywood. Obama is merely the face that the monster is wearing.
            So is he worried? Not on your life. His contempt for the American intellect has been demonstrated. He doesn't think his constituency is even watching. They get their talking points from the mothership -- whether it's Media Matters, the Center for American Progress, or MSNBC. Goebbels-style talking points devoid of logic, accuracy, and fact. Obama goes on The View, Letterman, and Jimmy Kimmel, and he would even go on Romper Room if it were still on the air, exuding cool, hip, and groovy vibrations. And all is right with the world, even as U.S. embassies are attacked, our ambassadors are killed, jihadi revolutions overthrow our secular allies, and the economic machine that empowers this magnificent nation is routed, and the Saturday Night Live band plays on. What, me worry?

            As soon as the bell rang on the close of the debate, the leftist/Islamic machine went into huddle and started hammering on an imaginary inconsistency in Romney's flawless performance. And they've been jackhammering ever since. Obama knows this going in: he's counting on America watching Real Housewives of...pick a city. But sixty million people watched. Can they be talked out of what they saw? Chris Matthews and the rest of Obama's media and civilian army are counting on it.

            Obama doesn't have to worry because the media will provide for all his deficiencies. As far as the left is concerned, the debate doesn't start until after it's over. The media is like the man with the shovel following behind Obama the circus elephant. Ever since the debate ended, they've been in fifth gear, spinning a completely new narrative. America, don't believe your eyes; believe the leftist lies. They are busy answering points Romney made and impugning the accuracy of Romney's assertions.

            And if miraculously Romney pulls it out, Obama will not accept any of the blame. Instead, the blame will lie squarely on the shoulders of the enormous leftist machine.

            Is it true that it doesn't matter? That as brilliant and in command and presidential as Romney was, it's a fait accompli? That remains to be seen. There's no question about it: the first presidential debate was a game-changer. The question is: is the game already over? That question will ultimately be answered by the American people.

            Is Obama right, and we are beneath contempt? Unworthy of respect? And this great constitutional republic that millions before us fought and died for is also unworthy of respect and beyond redemption? Or will the wheels on Obama's bus come off before the finish line? That's the question.

            Pamela Geller is the publisher of AtlasShrugs.com and the author of the WND Books title Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance.

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          • JBSTONE posted at 9:57 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            The Left is derailed, deranged and determined..........

            Teacher Compares Student’s Romney Shirt to KKK Robe

            Oct 3, 2012

            By Todd Starnes

            A Philadelphia high school teacher is under investigation after she reportedly ordered a student to take off a t-shirt supporting Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign and compared the shirt to a Ku Klux Klan sheet.

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            The incident occurred at Charles Carroll High School in Port Richmond. When the student refused the order, she tried to throw the girl out of class.

            The teacher reportedly told the 16-year-old student that the high school was a “Democratic school” and then threatened to use a marker to cross out Romney’s name.

            Philadelphia School District spokesman Fernando Gallard confirmed to Philly.com that, “a teacher made some comments to a student wearing a Romney t-shirt in their classroom.”

            “The comments were of a political nature, and also of a personal nature,” he told the newspaper. “We are looking into the comments, and the conduct of the teacher.”

            Gallard said the student was well within her rights to wear the t-shirt and was not in violation of any school dress codes.

            In the meantime, the teacher was switched out of the class “to allow the student to feel comfortable to come to the class.”

            Gallard said the student was within her rights.

            “She was expressing her freedom of speech, and was not in violation of any school or district policy,” he told the newspaper.

            The incident became public when the child’s father called radio station IQ 106.9 FM.

            Richard Pawlucy told radio host Larry Mendte that the incident happened on a day when students were allowed to “dress down.”

            He recounted what his daughter’s Geometry teacher told the girl.

            “Are you seriously wearing a Romney shirt — and then she told her to get out,” Pawlucy told the radio station. “My daughter took it as a joke. But the teacher left the room and called other teachers and students into her classroom.”

            She said the teacher pointed at his daughter and said, “Look at this girl — wearing a Romney shirt.”

            “My daughter refused to leave the classroom or acknowledge this bullying,” he said.

            That’s when the teacher compared the Romney shirt to a KKK garb and told her, “This is a Democratic school.”

            “I never knew a school had a party affiliation,” he said.

            When his daughter went back to class she hid in the bathroom until the teacher left. He said other students were taunting her.

            “Her classmates were telling her –‘how can you do this to our teacher?’” he recounted. “Why don’t you like Obama? We all like Obama – why don’t you like Obama?”

            Mendte was astounded by the incident — especially since it happened in the city where they signed the U.S. Constitution.

            “A child shouldn’t be bullied going into a classroom just because she’s politically aware — just because she has an opinion and just because she happens to support a candidate that you do not support,” Mendte said.

            http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/teacher-compares-students-romney-shirt-to-kkk-ro.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:25 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Is the Obama administration fudging employment data? Many economists and CEOs think so.

            Said Jack Welch, former GE Chairman and CEO: "Unbelievable jobs numbers..these Chicago guys will do anything...can't debate, so change numbers."

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/05/jobless-rate-falls-to-78-percent-in-september

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:50 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Gotta' love that gaffe machine Joe Biden. Now's he's out there confirming that he and Obama want a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR tax hike on job creators! Guess they're not done "burying the middle class" quite yet.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:41 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

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            Did you see where Al Gore is now excusing Obama's pathetic debate performance on "altitude" and many other media pundits are beginning to promote that theory?

            Funny that it didn't affect a man nearly 15 years Obama's senior.

            In any event, if that truly is the case, they'd better make certain that the president is always on oxygen when flying in Air Force One because the "equivalent effective cabin altitude" in its pressurized cabin is 8000ft, 3000ft. higher than the Denver, the Mile High City.

            We wouldn't want the man with his finger on the button suffering from hypoxia, would we?

            Progressives have no idea how ridiculous and desperate they appear to people of sound reason.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:24 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 4:54 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012

            You are indeed highly skilled at running from the truth; but, if you weren't, you wouldn't be able to maintain your friendship with Bronco. Birds of a feather....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:21 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: Romney on '47 percent': I was 'completely wrong'.........

            HTC: I'm disappointed in Romney for saying that he was "completely wrong" because, the fact is, he was mostly right. Polls show that 80% of Americans believe that everyone should pay some income tax and have some skin in the game.

            When he originally responded that his remarks were "less than elegantly stated", he should have gone on to explain that not all of those who don't pay income taxes see themselves as "victims" or are handout-seekers because many of them are on Social Security and paid into that "Contract with Americans"; many are also on disability, including veterans who nearly give it all for their country. I know many people in these catagories and NONE took offense at Romney's remarks because they understood what he was trying to say.

            They knew, in spite of the liberal gang-banging media's distortions of his statements that Romney cares about everyone; that he was simply stating that there is, indeed, a group that do depend upon and want handouts (e.g., Sandra Fluke) and who will vote for Obama no matter what and he can't worry about trying to earn their votes.

            It was the treasonous liberal media seeking to destroy their weak and inept candidate's competition who made this a tempest in a teapot. (I find it hilarious that they've NEVER stopped campaigning for him since 2008 and all they asked of him was that he do his part for a mere 90 minutes on stage and he couldn't deliver. It's no wonder they're so embarrassed and disappointed with him right now. But they won't let that stop them and make them reassess and actually think clearly for a change; heck, they're already rewriting history on the pages of their National Enquirer style rags and declaring him the winner of the first debate!)

            Romney should have corrected his original statement and explained more clearly that there's something seriously wrong with America when so many pay no income taxes and receive other's contributions instead, even though they're not disabled or of retirement age. He should have pointed out how dramatically those folks have increased in number just in the last four years. He should have warned that this republic is in serious danger when there are nearly as many tax consumers as there are tax payers and that no economy can be strong and vibrant when that is the case.

            It is that structural weakness in America which, unless corrected, will guarantee that America's glorious economic times are indeed behind it.

            That weakness itself is symptomatic of a decline in education, in opportunity and in culture, some of it the fault of the electorate itself and much of it the fault of a meddlesome, controlling, bloated government which has vastly exceeeded its constitutional boundaries. Those are the things we SHOULD be talking about, not whether Romney's remarks might have insulted some.

            But that is the honest and necessary discussion that Obama and his party do NOT want to have and have been ducking for decades.

            Rob123: "No skin in the game, NO voting!". "Original Intent, and NOT an inch more!".

            HTC: Hey, if you want a different Constitution, move to another country or see if you can get enough states to amend it the way you'd like it. I find it amazing that someone supposedly educated in political 'science' doesn't understand that a Constitution is a contract with the people that isn't supposed to be alterable simply by arbitrary reinterpretation, least of all by a branch of the very government it was intended to keep honest to its terms. (But maybe you copied in class and didn't really understand the material?)

            I can't imagine you entering into a contract and then NOT screaming bloody murder if the other party started arbitrarily redefining its terms.

            But then, I can't imagine you tolerating in your employees a level of incompetence even remotely approaching that of Obama, whom you're still considering.

            Split personality, perhaps?

            The reason that we have no accountabliity in government is precisely because too few people have skin in the game and therefore don't suffer the consequences of their poor voting choices. But since there's no real 'science' in "political science", that's probably beyond your comprehension.

            But I do give you permission to copy my answers on these pages.

            Rob123: TGIF.

            HTC: Why? Every day must be confusing to you.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:39 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/10/05/romney-47-percent-i-was-wrong/1614703/

            Romney on '47 percent': I was 'completely wrong'.........

            Next up, a complete apology by HTC, for expressing that Romney didn't go far enough with his original '47%' statement? "Only white Male Property Owners should be allowed to vote!". "No skin in the game, NO voting!". "Original Intent, and NOT an inch more!". TGIF.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:23 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            kohana posted at 7:33 pm:
            "I've been reading some of the liberal left's blogs and news columns, and wow! They have used every spin possible to make Obama look better after last night, still coddling him. "

            It's the nature of politics, Kay. Heck, I know people who still feel bad that Sarah Palin isn't in the White House fixing things. And they have visions of her standing in front of the National Mall, chest heaving in righteous indignation shouting into her Bull Horn; "What do you mean I can't drill and frack here! It's a Free Country! Don't you love Freedom!". When an aide whispers that the monuments will crack, and the secret bomb shelters will be exposed and compromised, she fires her 'leftist-socialist-Marxist' aide. Go figure....?.....(-:

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:54 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: "So who's really full of it here?"

            Obviously you.....However, I do recognize my own Dutch genes and will take a deep breath, back off of 'stubborn' and move on to something that matters. Et tu, Cowboy?

            An old fighter pilot was asked, "At your ripe age, what would you prefer to get Parkinsons or Alzheimer's?"

            The fighter pilot answered, "Definitely Parkinsons!!!

            Better to spill half an ounce of Scotch than to forget where you keep the bottle!!"

             
          • kohana posted at 7:33 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            In case any of you are feeling sorry for "big bird" and think he might get cooked.

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/10/04/Big-Bird-Richer-Than-Romney

            I've been reading some of the liberal left's blogs and news columns, and wow! They have used every spin possible to make Obama look better after last night, still coddling him. Making excuses for him. Try reading Gail Collins of the NYT. Yech!

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/opinion/collins-the-season-of-debates.html?_r=1&ref=gailcollins

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:50 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Romney - Ryan campaign logo:

            http://legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Chainsaw-590-Li.jpg

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:40 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:41 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            I figured Bronco didn't have anything, but I wanted to find out WHO he gets this crap from. Whoever it is, they don't even comprehend "fair and balanced".

            [thumbdown]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:23 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: You're so full of it....good grief.....go out in the real world and talk to some people who actually do these things.

            HTC: I have. So far, I've offered a long list of facts to substantiate my case and you continue to respond with nothing more than "Good grief!" or "Spin it all you want." Even the last article you posted on this subject supports MY case, not yours (unless you decide to go with the Sierra Club's clueless moron as your 'expert' source.)

            So who's really full of it here?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:17 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            As a manufacturer myself, there are a few things I'd like to say about Obama's policies, attitudes and statements on the manufacturing sector.

            Obama stated last night that there are tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. I can assure you that is an absolute lie. I defy anyone to show me in the tax code where that is the case. It simply can't be demonstrated to be the case because it simply isn't true.

            Obama has also stated the Romney wants to "eliminate taxes on American companies' foreign profits which would actually encourage more outsourcing." This, too, is a grand lie. What Romney wants to do is eliminate taxes on foreign profits so that those already-taxed profits (taxed by the country where they were earned) can be brought home to the U.S. where those funds can be used to expand business operations and fund new investment in the U.S.

            As it stands now, companies face losing 35% of those funds if they bring them home; or, they can invest them where they're currently located, creating jobs overseas instead of here in the U.S. The latter is the choice they often make, meaning that our CURRENT tax policy is actually encouraging more outsourcing, NOT Romney's proposal. This is why no other major trading partner of ours taxes foreign profits like we do.

            Obama has stated that we need more manufacturing jobs and has mocked Romney for criticizing the president's encouragement of young people to pursue careers in manufacturing. Romney again is correct and Obama is wrong. Obama apparently does not realize that manufacturing in the 21st century will not at all resemble what it did in past centuries. This is the age of robotics which guarantees lower cost but higher quality production at higher volumes than was ever possible when it depended upon manual labor.

            Robotics free up human labor for less dangerous and less monotonous jobs and it those new jobs which we should be focusing upon. We need to be encouraging young people to become tomorrow's technicians, engineers, scientists and skilled repairmen who design, build and service manufacturing robotics and other robotics such as those increasingly used in medicine, the utilities industry, security and many other fields. We need to dramatically reform public education so that it prepares our young people for these careers and for continued college level education in the sciences, engineering and other related fields.

            It is Obama, not Romney, who "wants to take us back to the past."

            Romney has managed manufacturing companies in very competitive industries, so he understands their issues as Obama does not nor ever will. He understands how capital intensive manufacturing can be and how much the regulatory burden on manufacturing has held it back.

            Obama naively and wrongly believes that training and education creates jobs (he repeated that message several times during the debate), while Romney knows that those things only help to provide people with the skills required for jobs created by the real job creators in the private sector. Obama demonstrates his massive ignorance of basic economics by showing that he doesn't even begin to understand something as basic as job creation.

            One area where government can provide some real help to manufacturing is by negotiating trade agreements with our trading partners that level the playing field and protect American intellectual property; but, Obama has been completely absent here.

            While Obama has been playing golf and hanging out with celebrities or partying with them at the White House, the European Union has signed trade agreements with nine countries and pursued negotiations with sixteen others. China has signed agreements with four countries and pursued negotiations with fifteen others. In August 2011, a group of Asian nations announced their goal to create an economic bloc that would include China but not the U.S.

            Meanwhile, China has been building its own economy by misappropriating western technology and Obama has done essentially nothing to stop it.

            Dodd-Franks Financial Reform has saddled manufacturers with new regulations which will further consume precious capital that could otherwise have been used to expand and modernize their operations, even though they had absolutely nothing to do with the financial crisis of 2008. ObamaCare further adds to their expense burden and provides further encouragement to outsource rather than face its added financial burden.

            I find it impossible to recall a president more clueless, where business and economics is concerned, than the man currently in the White House. A vote for Obama this November is a vote for the end of the middle class.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:55 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            You're so full of it....good grief.....go out in the real world and talk to some people who actually do these things. Get a life. When I read your manufactured reality, I understand why Zen Monks go over to the large log on a rope and swing it into a large bell. "Hello!".

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:41 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            JBSTONE: CITE them.........!!!

            HTC: Hey, go easy on Bronco! Asking him to put together a fact-based argument is like asking a colt to pull an Abram's tank out of the mud.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 4:13 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            Oops! Thought I cancelled my subscription to "Premature Gloaters of Amerika"...Must be an infomercial.

            Romney's performance was dissected by many...'hypocrite' and 'liar' came up on nearly all views

            CITE them.........!!!

            BS.

            It appears even Chris Matthews and Jon Stewart DISAGREE with your stance.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 4:08 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Chris Matthews Freaks Out At Obama: "What Was He Doing?"

            "Tonight wasn't an MSNBC debate tonight, was it?" Chris Matthews said after the first Obama-Romney presidential debate concluded on Wednesday night.

            "I don't know what he was doing out there. He had his head down, he was enduring the debate rather than fighting it. Romney, on the other hand, came in with a campaign. He had a plan, he was going to dominate the time, he was going to be aggressive, he was going to push the moderator around, which he did effectively, he was going to relish the evening, enjoying it," Matthews said.

            "Here's my question for Obama: I know he likes saying he doesn't watch cable television but maybe he should start. Maybe he should start. I don't know how he let Romney get away with the crap he throughout tonight about Social Security," Matthews complained.

            Matthews then demanded that President Obama start watching cable news, specifically his program.

            "Where was Obama tonight? He should watch -- well, not just Hardball, Rachel, he should watch you, he should watch the Reverend Al [Sharpton], he should watch Lawrence. He would learn something about this debate. There's a hot debate going on in this country. You know where it's been held? Here on this network is where we're having the debate," Matthews said.

            "We have our knives out," Matthews said, admitting his network is trying their best to defend Obama and his policies. "We go after the people and the facts. What was he doing tonight? He went in there disarmed."

            "He was like, 'Oh an hour and half? I think I can get through this thing. And I don't even look at this guy.' Whereas Romney -- I love the split-screen -- staring at Obama, addressing him like prey. He did it just right. 'I'm coming at an incumbent. I got to beat him. You've got to beat the champ and I'm going to beat him tonight. And I don't care what this guy, the moderator, whatever he thinks he is because I'm going to ignore him," Matthews said.

            "What was Romney doing?" Matthews asked. "He was winning."

            "If he does five more of these nights, forget it," Matthews added. "Obama should watch MSNBC, my last point. He will learn something every night on this show and all these shows. This stuff we're watching, it's like first grade for most of us. We know all this stuff."

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 3:36 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            HONEY, I SHRUNK THE PRESIDENT:

            James Taranto, in today’s Best of the Web column writes, “Journalists and pundits turn on Obama for failing to make their fairy tales come true,” and notes that one reason why last night’s debate “came as such a shock to Obama” — and by extension, Obama’s Palace Guard MSM — “is that it was the first time in his career that he shared a debate stage with a serious opponent:”

            Think about it: John McCain was feeble. Alan Keyes, whom Obama beat in his 2004 Senate campaign, was crazy. All the Democrats who ran in 2008 were preposterous except Hillary Clinton, and she, as a beneficiary of nepotism, was highly overrated as a politician. He used Chicago-style dirty tricks to dispatch his original opponent in 2004, as well as the state senator he replaced back in the 1990s. The test he failed last night is one to which he had never been put.

            But the journalists who are pointing the finger at Obama have three fingers pointed back at themselves. Instead of challenging the president, the press corps–with a few honorable exceptions, like ABC’s Jake Tapper and the guys from Univision–have spent the past four-plus years puffing him up and making excuses for him. The American Spectator’s Jeffrey Lord explains:

            The great James Taranto . . . long ago posited what is called the “Taranto Principle.” In short, it means that the liberal media so coddles liberal politicians that they have no idea how to cope outside that liberal media bubble. . . .

            Barack Obama has been so totally coddled by the liberal media that he looked absolutely shell-shocked in this debate. Stunned, unhappy, angry, sour–and at some points genuinely incoherent.

            Romney has had nowhere near that kind of treatment. He had serious opponents in the primaries–all of whom in their own way forced him to confront his ideas in a serious fashion. Conservatives were on his heels. The Obama media never let up. The man went through the political equivalent of boot camp.

            Tonight, the Taranto Principle kicked in. Big time.

            Outside the liberal bubble–forced to be alone on a stage with a very serious, very prepared candidate–Barack Obama was in trouble. Big Trouble.

            One quibble, on a point of personal privilege: “Great” is not the right adjective. Isn’t “inimitable” in the Spectator stylebook?

            Otherwise, though, Lord is right. What we saw last night was the real Obama–a bright but incurious and inexperienced man who four years ago was promoted well beyond his level of competency. The Obama that guys like Matthews and Sullivan expected instead was a character in a fairy tale–a fairy tale written by guys like Matthews and Sullivan.

            Oh well, at least there are more debates. The last one, on Oct. 22, is on foreign policy, which is Obama’s strong suit. Then the handsome prince killed Osama bin Laden, and the ambassador lived happily ever after.

            Ouch.

            http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/152711/

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 3:11 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            EVEN THE LEFT IS PILING ON.............

            7:42 a.m. EDT

            LARA SPENCER: The presidential candidates not the only ones duking it out this week. The Daily Show's Jon Stewart and Fox News’s Bill O'Reilly, gearing up for a showdown, a rumble of sorts. A pay-per-view debate streaming online this Saturday, half of all proceeds go to charity. It's called the Rumble in the Air Conditioned Auditorium. And we’re so happy to have the one and only Jon Stewart here with us this morning.

            JON STEWART: Thank you. Very happy to be here. Very excited.

            SPENCER: And what a great day to have you. I want to find out right away from you, what did you think of the debate last night?

            STEWART: Here's what I thought Lara and I say this in all respect. As Americans, I think we can all be very satisfied in knowing that no matter what happens in this election, we're going to have an incredibly good-looking president. That was some beefcake up there last night. The two of them and when they take this thing into the swimsuit competition. I think it’s going to get– I mean there's not a country in the world, talk about American exceptionalism -- put those two up against what? Merkel? Come on. It's a slam-dunk.

            SPENCER: Absolutely. Not only are they good-looking, but they're pretty smart.

            STEWART: They're very smart. Listen, I'm sure president Obama now realizes, preseason's over.

            SPENCER: It’s time to –

            STEWART: "I should probably familiarize myself with my presidency and learn some of the various numbers and things that go along with it." Yeah. He had -- I thought he had a very difficult night. I'm concerned that he may not reelect us. He may walk away.

            SPENCER: Was that your take away on his body language? That he had other things to do?

            STEWART: It wasn't so much his the body language as the mouth language that he was using. The pauses in between. You know, I used to think the pauses, he was just trying to think of smaller words for the little brains to figure out what he was saying. This time, I really think the pauses were just, 'I like food.' You know, I think he was just thinking, 'my children are nice.' It didn't seem present in the same way.

            Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2012/10/04/jon-stewart-mocks-obamas-very-difficult-night-wonders-if-president-i#ixzz28MoKYSnM

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:44 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: Spin it into your absolute government negativity all you want.......and for gGod's sake, don't ever ask questions like "If Ma and Pa sign a contract with Driller X, and the Royalty Factor is 1/2 of the Royalty Factor over at the Leased Government Land, why would Driller X choose Ma and Pa's Private Land?". Do the math.

            HTC: Little wonder why you and Bronco are good buddies - you're both clueless. The only real difference between you two is that you're slightly better at masking it with words and phrases that you don't understand.

            Many math problems involve things called "constants". One constant here is Obama's unbridled contempt for fossil fuels and active sabotage of every effort to affordably increase access to our own abundant supplies, including his recent proposal to significantly increase onshore royalties, which have traditionally been much lower than offshore royalties.

            Obama's proposal is intended to further discourage oil exploration and development on public lands, especially by small "wildcat" companies who've been some of the most aggressive and most successful in recent years.

            Royalty pricing has traditionally taken into account the cost to extract that oil as well as the quality of that oil. Many of the deposits on federal lands are cheaper to access and contain higher quality oil deposits when compared to the recent finds on private lands which require more expensive drilling techniques (i.e., deep horizontal drilling) along with more costly extraction techniques (i.e., fracking).

            Another factor driving down these private royalty rates is Obama's insistence on making it as difficult and expensive as possible to get that private oil to market by blocking pipeline and rail spur applications, leaving expensive trucking methods as the only other means to bring it to market.

            Those are the primary reasons why private royalty agreements are frequently priced below federal royalty rates. Take Obama and his whackjob pseudo-environmentalists out of the picture, and the whole picture changes very quickly.

            Your spin may work on Bronco, but the rest of us can see right through your crap.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 1:01 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            The smile that says it all: Romney celebrates debate win as top Obama aide admits defeat and promises change of strategy

            Mitt Romney revels in aftermath of crushing debate victory
            Obama strategist David Axelrod admits presentation is 'not President's strong suit' and promises re-set of debate planning
            Democrat comes out fighting in Denver speech to supporters

            By Toby Harnden In Denver and Hugo Gye

            PUBLISHED: 11:54 EST, 4 October 2012 | UPDATED: 13:09 EST, 4 October 2012

            Barack Obama's top strategist said that the campaign will take a 'hard look' at how to approach future debates in the light of last night's failure - and appealed to the media to challenge Mitt Romney on the issues which the President avoided in Denver.

            All but stating that the Republican had won the debate, David Axelrod conceded that the performance aspect was 'not the President's strong suit in these events' but insisted that 'I don't see us adding huge amounts of additional prep time.'

            The remarks came after the Obama campaign was left reeling by Mr Romney's knockout performance in the candidates' first head-to-head clash, with polls suggesting that voters regarded the former governor of Massachusetts as the debate winner by a margin of more than two to one.

            http://tinyurl.com/9h8htxl

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:47 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Bronco: My earlier opinions have been verified. (Clue irrational and desperate personal attacks)

            Coming from someone as clueless as you, you make me laugh.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            Spin it into your absolute government negativity all you want.......and for gGod's sake, don't ever ask questions like "If Ma and Pa sign a contract with Driller X, and the Royalty Factor is 1/2 of the Royalty Factor over at the Leased Government Land, why would Driller X choose Ma and Pa's Private Land?". Do the math.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            (Cue...) on my second cup.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:12 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oops! Thought I cancelled my subscription to "Premature Gloaters of Amerika"...Must be an infomercial.

            Romney's performance was dissected by many...'hypocrite' and 'liar' came up on nearly all views. My earlier opinions have been verified. (Clue irrational and desperate personal attacks)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:06 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: Remove the wedgie, take a deep breath, then go to ......

            HTC: Ah, nothing stings like the truth, eh?

            Your responses are as lame as last night's responses by Mr. Obama.

            And remove your wedgie yourself; but, I do have to say that I did enjoy giving it to you!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:02 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: In short, both sides said: "Oil companies kind of drill where the geology dictates 'there might be oil'.....".

            HTC: Apparently you also share Bronco's inability to read with comprehension. Your quote is exclusively that of Mr. Manuel of the Sierra Club and it is complete 'environmentalist' B.S. It would be accurate if he rephrased it thusly: "Oil companies kind of drill where there's likely to be oil and there's nothing we can do to stop them because it's private land."

            Under Obama, new federal oil leases have fallen to half the level they were under Clinton, and new drilling permits are almost nonexistent; in fact, Obama has a really good racket going where he's selling leases and then refusing to allow drilling on them. Several oil companies are now suing him in court to get out of those fraudulent lease agreements.

            Now that the legitimate deductions known as "oil depletion allowances" (lyingly referred to as a "subsidy" by Obama last night) are beginning to overtake federal revenues from leases and royalties, the schemers known as Democrats want to eliminate that lawful and necessary deduction, all because they don't want to maintain that revenue stream via new leases and drilling on those leased lands.

            This is particulary perverse, given the fact that the government badly needs to grow its revenue stream any way it can which would not hurt the economy in the process. This is one of the very few such avenues available that would not only bring in trillions in royalties but add hundreds of thousands of high-paying jobs in the process while simultaneously reducing the hundreds of billions of dollars of badly needed capital that flow out of this country's economy and into the wallets of our enemies in the Middle East.

            It is simply unthinkable that you would seek to defend Mr. Obama on this score and seriously causes me to question your sanity.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 10:44 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 9:55 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.


            In the first Presidential debate of 2012, Barack Hussein Obama had his head handed to him by Governor Mitt Romney.


            "And let’s face it, Obama without a teleprompter, is like a fish out of water."

            More like a fish that washed up on the shore line several days ago in the hot sun................heehee.......!!!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            kohana: [Quoting Robert J. Avrech ] "Because Obama has skated through his political life on image, he has never really had to defend any of his Marxist ideas or his failed policies."

            HTC: Obama's own supporters in this forum have yet to be able to clearly describe Obama's policies and why and how they would work to turn this economy around but Romney's would not; so, why should we expect anything more from Obama himself?

            Obama merely demonstrates the same blind and ignorant adherence to Marxist philosopy, an adherence which is completely detached from reality.

            Heck, even guys like Rob123 can't describe those policies and the mechanics behind them; yet, insist that they're still deciding who to vote for. Well, if you can't express those things, what the heck are you pondering over? Your navel?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:10 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: I will watch the next debate. Still undecided.......
            HTC: Obviously, honesty isn't an aspect of character that you consider important in a president; otherwise, last night's nearly nonstop stream of lies pouring out of Obama's mouth would have you no longer "undecided."

            Remove the wedgie, take a deep breath, then go to ......

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:07 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: Nice spin......
            HTC: Yes, you do tend to 'think' like a progressive: If you don't like the facts, well then, they're simply not facts at all!

            What is it about Engineers who decide to become Political and the first thing they do is totally forget the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and instead try to force a strict rule of Right/Wrong, Black/White, plus micromanage any concept that floats by? At least you don't farm peanuts, like that other Engineer on the opposite side of your teeter totter.

            If you would actually read the article I attached, from the depths of Tulsa, Ok and Oil Country, with quotes from Geologists AND the President of the Sierra Club, you would see that your statement was not WRONG, merely not broad enough. In short, both sides said: "Oil companies kind of drill where the geology dictates 'there might be oil'.....".

             
          • kohana posted at 9:55 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            A well stated review:

            http://www.seraphicpress.com/romney-obama-debate-the-emperor-has-no-clothes/#more-12347

            By Robert J. Avrech | October 4, 2012
            Romney — Obama Debate: The Emperor Has No Clothes

            In the first Presidential debate of 2012, Barack Hussein Obama had his head handed to him by Governor Mitt Romney.

            Obama’s strategy was simple: deliver a series of lies that will leave Mitt Romney flustered and on the defensive. But Romney was well prepared for Obama’s Alinsky tactics, and he fired back with facts and confident arguments that made Obama look small and peevish. It also helps that Romney can do simple math. Obama, like all leftists since Karl Marx, cannot deal with plus or minus signs, much less Economics 101. No, Obama and his radical friends do not live in the real world. They move forward relentlessly towards Thomas More’s utopia where money does not exist.

            And let’s face it, Obama without a teleprompter, is like a fish out of water.

            Because Obama has skated through his political life on image, he has never really had to defend any of his Marxist ideas or his failed policies.

            As Seraphic Secret pointed out yesterday, the mainstream media have devolved into Democrat campaign workers, thus, Obama has relied on a groveling press corps to protect him from the hard probing questions that is the obligation of a free press.

            So: when Mitt Romney, in command of facts and figures, with a superior knowledge of business and domestic policy, steps into the ring and calls out Obama on his fantastical notions, Obama stutters and smirks — the cool kid has at last been unmasked as a fraud.
            Seraphic Secret would like to draw your attention to one small moment in the debate. It wasn’t a show stopper, there were no memorable zingers, and it wasn’t particularly dramatic, but the moment was emblematic of the entire evening.

            Obama claimed that there are tax incentives for Americans to do business on foreign shores. The implication being that the tax system favors clever (evil) business people who take jobs away from Americans.

            Mitt Romney responded that no such tax incentive exists. “I have been in business for over twenty-five years and I’ve never heard of such an incentive.”

            In short, Obama was lying.

            And Obama has never been in business for one day in his entire life so the false claim is made even more outrageous.

            Barack Hussein Obama is a narcissist, a pathological narcissist. He has skated through a life of privilege being told by all around him how wonderful and absolutely brilliant he is. And with the aid of a compliant media, Barack Hussein Obama slithered to the highest office in the land.

            But finally, seemingly out of nowhere, Mitt Romney — where has he been hiding? — unmasked Obama as a pile of nothingness, a man who, at one point in the evening, once again — and really, this was just desperation — summoned the evil specter of, dum-da-dum-dum: corporate jet owners.

            Class warfare plays to the debased base of the Democrat party, to those creatures like Sandra Fluke, spoiled brats who wallow in their resentment and their selfish needs. But for most Americans, it is ugly, divisive and un-American.

            If Romney keeps this up, Obama will get buried in November and our long national nightmare will be over.

            P.S. You can expect Obama to start bombing Libya some time next week. Anything to deflect.

            http://www.seraphicpress.com/romney-obama-debate-the-emperor-has-no-clothes/#more-12347

             
          • bill39 posted at 9:40 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            HTC: Obama looked off balance and very uncomfortable almost the entire time, because he knew he was going to get hammered on the facts and ............

            Obama being a good actor, watch out for the next debate, and especially the last one.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:27 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            I dedicate this song - "Things to do in Denver When You're Dead" - to President Obama:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o33--xgYFQY

             
          • WillK posted at 9:24 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            My last post stated that Obama had not been asked an adult question in the past 6 years. Last evening he attempted a few answers, but without a teleprompter or ear bud he made a fool of himself. Platitudes and falsehoods work with his base but not the rest of America and I might add, the world.
            Willk

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:19 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            TPM's "best zingers" in the debate:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCyjKqdk93M

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:45 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: I will watch the next debate. Still undecided.......

            HTC: Obviously, honesty isn't an aspect of character that you consider important in a president; otherwise, last night's nearly nonstop stream of lies pouring out of Obama's mouth would have you no longer "undecided."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:39 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Obama looks like a tourist reading a map

            Top tweets from comedian Greg Gutfeld, "Red Eye" host and co-host of "The Five" followed Wednesday's debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama on Twitter:

            *This is a businessman, talking business, to a grad student. Obama should be taking notes and asking for an extension.

            *Media coddled Captain Precious, and are now sad he got stomped. Sometimes beta males need to fight.

            *Romney is killing it. Killing it. Seriously, this is a terrible wedding anniversary.

            *Watching MSNBC discuss the debate is like watching the Titanic discuss the iceberg.

            *Obama is rolling down a mountain like Homer Simpson hitting every rock along the way.

            *I guess prepping with Joy Behar was a mistake.

            *Obama is now like a Best Buy employee trying to sell you something he cannot fully explain.

            *This should be called "Nightmares of My Father."

            *Trying to read the stuff on the wall. Pretty sure it's from Jonathan Livingston Seagull

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:34 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            kohana: Having a hard time watching Obama lie and spin on the debates, makes me want to up-chuck.

            HTC: There's an old joke that goes: "How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips are moving."

            In Obama's case it's not a joke but fact. There was hardly a moment when what Obama was saying wasn't an outright lie or serious distortion of the facts. You could tell that he knew that he was lying by his body language, facial expressions, eye movements/focus, etc. He wasn't his usual cocky self because he knew he had nothing to work with, as all the facts and business/economic acumen were on Romney's side of the stage.

            Obama looked off balance and very uncomfortable almost the entire time, because he knew he was going to get hammered on the facts and that he didn't understand the things which were second nature to a successful businessman like Romney. His greatest fear was everytime Romney had a chance to ask him questions - questions he knew were going to be WAY over his head and his only hope would be to be able to quickly retrieve what seemed to be the most relevant talking point he'd previously rehearsed.

            Perhaps Obama now realizes that staged crowds and teleprompters can be hazardous to one's reelection prospects.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123: Nice spin......

            HTC: Yes, you do tend to 'think' like a progressive: If you don't like the facts, well then, they're simply not facts at all!

             
          • Pete posted at 8:07 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 8:01 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012

            [smile]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:01 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Pete: "Aren't you the one who said Obamacare details be d*mned, we'll figure those out later?"

            No, good grief! That was that Catholic Legislator who wears High Heels and has her face done. I'm agnostic, as you know.

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:43 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Since the intrest on the national debt is growing at 1 million dollars every 2 minutes 45 seconds, which party is on the side of big money.

             
          • Pete posted at 7:27 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Quote of the night to Dennis Miller:

            Obama better hope a kicked a*s is covered under Obamacare. [beam]

             
          • Pete posted at 7:25 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 3:43 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012

            "Romney really needs to clarify his simplified and lower rate Tax Code's ambiguous 'Less Deductions'/'Revenue Neutral' mantra. That really is a big ? for him, and us undecideds."

            Aren't you the one who said Obamacare details be d*mned, we'll figure those out later? That was kind of a big deal...and it sure as heck isn't "revenue neutral". I was impressed with Romney's pragmatism and enthusiasm for the task he will face....he is a problem solver with a pretty good track record. Is he the "messiah" ? He// no...but he will most certainly be an improvement over the mess we have in the WH now.

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:17 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            CNN says the moderator gave Romney too much time, so consequently the next debate, moderator will favor Obama, intentionally.

             
          • bill39 posted at 6:52 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            I'll watch some left wing media this morning to see how they try to prop up Obama.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:23 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Well, that was refreshing. ("debate"). Romney did very well, but the obama worshipers probably won't be swayed. Now the "Ryan vs Biden" debate has the potential to be hilarious. Old Joe Bumpus should be fun to watch.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 6:22 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            Graph of last night's debate outcome:

            http://i50.tinypic.com/2ecku1d.jpg

             
          • bill39 posted at 5:41 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            Kohana: Having a hard time watching Obama lie and spin on the debates, makes me want to up-chuck.

            Sickening, isn't it.

            JBS: Couldn't give a straight answer to ANYTHING.

            Of course not, if he would give an honest portrayel of himself and his policies, being the communist that he is, he would still lose big time in America. Besides there is no way TO defend failed policies. But DID he fail as far as the stimulus money goes. Evidently he failed at stimulating the economy, which he knew it would, but DID succeed in losing(?) nearly a trillion dollars. His/their true intent to begin with.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:49 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

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            It would appear that bill39's input into the debate has created quite a backlash?

            https://www.facebook.com/pages/BIg-Bird-for-President/162552163796547

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:43 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            Oh, you 3! Neither candidate was talking to you 3! You have already made up your minds......and your feet are firmly set in concrete.

            I was impressed with the basic level of civility by both candidates. A lot of Environmentalists on the Left and Tea Partyers on the Right fell asleep soon after it started, since there was no screaming or outrageous emotional slaps/zingers.

            Romney really needs to clarify his simplified and lower rate Tax Code's ambiguous 'Less Deductions'/'Revenue Neutral' mantra. That really is a big ? for him, and us undecideds. His ability to handle himself well in a debate is a very positive attribute, IMHO, and bodes well as a Chief Executive who promises to take on the entrenched bureaucracy and cut out the Fat and the just plain Silly. That is an absolute MUST, and he showed he was up to the task.

            I will watch the next debate. Still undecided.......

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 10:07 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            The VP debate is in one week..........talk about a bloodbath.........wouldn't wanna be Joe Biden.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 10:06 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Obama showed himself to the charlatan he IS.

            Couldn't give a straight answer to ANYTHING.

            [thumbdown]

             
          • Pete posted at 8:49 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Well, just watched the debate and...wow...didn't expect it to be so one-sided. To quote Bill Maher, "Obama looks like he DOES need a teleprompter."

             
          • kohana posted at 7:50 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Having a hard time watching Obama lie and spin on the debates, makes me want to up-chuck.

             
          • kohana posted at 4:30 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Read and weep as won't be long before it is here in USA. What do you think our POTUS will do?

            Muslim Riots Reach Europe: Part II
            by Soeren Kern
            October 3, 2012 at 5:00 am

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3379/muslim-riots-europe

            Abu Assad al-Almani asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

            Muslim protests over an American-made anti-Islamic YouTube film, Innocence of Muslims, have spread to more European cities. Muslim rioters had initially clashed with police in Belgium, Britain and France, but since then, protests have spread to Austria, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Norway, Serbia and Switzerland.

            In Germany, while thousands of Muslims took to the streets in various cities, the biggest demonstration took place in the Dortmund, where 1,500 Muslims holding Turkish flags marched through the city center on September 22. In Hanover, protests involved about 1,000 Muslims on September 23. In Baden-Württemberg, North Rhine-Westphalia and Lower Saxony police reported protests involving 1,600 people. Protests were also reported in Bergisch Gladbach, Cuxhaven, Münster, Freiburg and Karlsruhe.

            A radical Islamist, Abu Assad al-Almani, has called for bombings and assassinations in Germany after it emerged that the actor who plays Mohammed in the anti-Islam movie was allegedly German. In an 8-page document, entitled "Settling Scores with Germany," and posted on the Internet on September 25, Abu Assad states: "In addition to the ugly cartoons, now the Americans have produced a film in which those pigs poke fun at our dear prophet and insult him."

            Abu Assad continues: "The one who played our noble Messenger was a German;" he then calls for revenge attacks. He asks Muslims in Germany to attack any German citizen who supports the film by "cutting their heads from their bodies and capturing it on film so that it is accessible to the public, so that the whole of Germany, and even the whole of Europe, knows that their criminal games will be thwarted by the sword of Islam."

            The Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) says the document has been produced by a group called the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), the European propaganda arm which supports Al Qaeda and other radical Islamic organizations. The BKA says it is taking the threat "very seriously."

            In Berlin, Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich has postponed at the last minute a poster campaign aimed at countering radical Islam for fear it might have incited violence by extremists. The posters had been due to go up as of September 21in German cities with large immigrant populations. The posters were aimed at those who suspected that a friend or family member might be drifting towards radical Islam.

            In another sign that German officialdom is coming unhinged by political correctness, the ruling Christian Democrats (CDU) lashed out at Baden-Württemberg's Integration Minister, Bilkay Öney, for stating what many Germans believe is obvious, namely that "Islam tolerates no criticism." She also said it was easier to dialogue with Muslims in Germany because they are relatively well educated. "In other parts of the world," she said, "some take to the streets and set fire to embassies."

            CDU regional director Thomas Strobl rebuked Öney, a Turkish-born German politician, saying: "What Mrs. Öney says is surprising and shocking. Such remarks are unacceptable, as they emphasize what divides us, instead of linking and integrating." Strobl wondered how Öney, who is a Muslim, could hold such politically incorrect views about Islam.

            Elsewhere in Germany, more signs emerged that the threat of Muslim violence is endangering free speech in Germany. Development Minister Dirk Niebel (FDP) called for a ban on broadcasting the anti-Islam video in Germany. "Such a film should not be shown. We should not be adding fuel to the fire," he told the newspaper, Bild. "The person who demands limitless freedom of expression has no idea what conflicts can be provoked by it," Niebel said. His comments follow similar statements by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle and Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich.

            In Greece, the center of Athens (recently dubbed the "New Kabul") turned into a war zone (videos here) on September 23, when more than 1,000 Muslims -- mostly immigrants from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh -- hurled bottles and other objects at police, who were trying to prevent the rioters from descending on the American Embassy.

            Protesting Muslims, chanting "All we have is Mohammed," gathered in Omonia Square holding banners reading, "We demand an immediate punishment for those who tried to mock our Prophet Mohammad." Shouting "Allah is Greater," they then assaulted police with stones, bottles and slabs of marble they broke from the sidewalks.

            When Greek riot police used tear gas to control the protesters and protect the security zone they had established around the embassy, infuriated Muslims responded by vandalizing streets and buildings in downtown Athens, as well as by setting fires to trash bins, smashing shops and display windows and vandalizing automobiles. Around 30 Muslims were arrested.

            Also in Athens, Muslim inmates at the Korydallos prison (Greece's main prison, in which an estimated 70% of the inmates are Muslim) went on a rampage and protested the anti-Islam video by burning mattresses, sheets and clothing. Security officials at the prison brought the situation under control after using teargas to force the rioting inmates to return to their cells.

            In Austria, some 700 Muslims descended on the American Embassy in the Alsergrund district in downtown Vienna on September 22. They carried banners and shouted slogans of protest against the film, and called for the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate. The protests were well organized: some Muslims wearing orange vests were waiting at the nearby metro station to guide protestors toward the embassy. According to the Austrian newspaper Tageszeitung Österreich, one young woman wearing a headscarf said, "The film has triggered such a rage in me, I had tears in my eyes." Other protesters wondered how it was possible that the film portrayed "our beloved prophet as a child molester and misogynist."

            In Norway, in front of the American Embassy in Oslo on September 21, more than 150 radical Islamists gathered, shouting, "This world needs another Osama." Separately, hundreds more Muslims gathered at Youngstorget Square in central Oslo to protest the anti-Islam film. Oslo's imams were joined in the protest by the city's Conservative Mayor Fabian Stang, as well as Lutheran Bishop Ole Christian Kvarme, who said in a speech: "With this peaceful protest we want to maintain and strengthen our unity. As believers we understand each other."

            In Italy, the Interior Ministry announced on September 25 that it had expelled two Libyan jihadists who were urging attacks against Western targets in revenge for the film denigrating Mohammed. Police said the Libyans, aged 26 and 28, had been in a hotel in Rome for several months, receiving medical care after being injured during the Libyan conflict. Police said they were expelled after they "began activities of proselytizing and propaganda to jihad within the Libyan community."

            In Serbia, several thousand fans from a local football club in the country's Muslim-majority Sandzak region protested against the film on September 21. Defying a ban on political slogans at the march, supporters of Torcida Sandzak football club waved banners reading, "The Prophet is in my heart" and "Freedom for Palestine, Afghanistan and Libya." There was a heavy police presence at the march, where protesters also waved the flags of Turkey and Bosnia.

            In Spain, the Islamic Commission, a Muslim umbrella group, has sent a letter to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon demanding the enactment of an international law that would outlaw blasphemy "so that no attack against religious sentiment will go unpunished."
            Soeren Kern is a Senior Fellow at the New York-based Gatestone Institute. He is also Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: Only if those ideologues are progressives. There are at least three messages in this bit of news which are bad news for Obama.

            Nice spin......like I said, it will be interesting to see how the ideologues react.

            " "Companies are going to go where the oil is," Manuel said, adding that producers have had access to public lands in the past but found deeper reserves elsewhere. "The shifts in the industry are due to geology, not politics. There's not this big regulatory hurdle."

            The Sierra Club opposes drilling in national parks, wildlife refuges and coastal areas. The group also wants the federal Bureau of Land Management to maintain strict standards for hydraulic fracturing on public lands. "

            Read more from this Tulsa World article at http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120926_49_E1_Therev73281

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:09 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: This could be seen as 'bad timing' by certain ideologues, just before tonight's debate?

            HTC: Only if those ideologues are progressives. There are at least three messages in this bit of news which are bad news for Obama.

            First of all, the increase in U.S. crude production is due to private drilling on private lands, using deep horizontal drilling and fracking technology, which Obama and his supporters have tried to stop. Drilling permits on federally-leased lands are down 18% on Obama's watch and Brazil now has one-third of our deep sea drilliing rigs which used to be in the Gulf of Mexico, along with $2B of U.S. taxpayer monies now funding jobs for Brazilians instead of Americans.

            Obama has tried to stop private oil development and delivery of Canadian oil by nixing virtually all pipeline applications and, along with them, tens of thousands of jobs Americans could badly use. When these new oil finds started trucking their oil to market, he even tried to lower load limits on federal highways to prevent that as well.

            The second bit of bad news in this is that Obama and his party have long been claiming that bringing our own supplies online wouldn't have a big effect on prices; clearly, they're dead wrong (as usual.)

            Lastly, why is demand down so much? Oh yeah, Obama inherited a recovery and turned it into a virtual 4-year recession.

            There's a lot of good material in this news for the Romney camp, should they choose to use it.

            There's also several clues in there as to why only an idiot would even be considering Obama for a second term.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:57 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: You need to be hoisted by your own canard. Any improvements in the economy over the past three and a half years you've called a blip or you assign credit to in-place Republican policies. The economy was nearly bottomed out before Obama took over so it had no place to go but up.

            HTC: You are as delusional as you are ignorant. What 'improvements' can you possibly be talking about?

            While the 'recovery' officially began nearly one month before Obama became president, there are now millions more Americans without jobs; poverty has increased 42%; median incomes have declined by nearly $5,000; gas prices have doubled; food prices have increased 42%; and civilian Americans are once again dying at the hands of terrorists!

            And you call that "improvement"?

            You are one clueless dude!

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:48 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-03/oil-declines-after-u-s-supplies-gain-a-fourth-week.html

            "Oil Tumbles as Crude Production Surges to 15-Year High"

            "Oil fell to a two-month low in New York after the government reported that U.S. crude output climbed to the highest level in more than 15 years and fuel consumption decreased.

            Futures dropped as much as 3.9 percent after the Energy Department said crude output rose 11,000 barrels a day to 6.52 million last week, the most since December 1996. Total fuel demand fell 0.3 percent to 18.3 million barrels a day in the four weeks ended Sept. 28, the lowest level since April. Crude and distillate stockpiles declined as gasoline supplies rose.

            Crude inventories at Cushing , Oklahoma, the delivery point for futures traded in New York, advanced 105,000 barrels to 43.8 million in the week ended Sept. 28, according to the API.

            “There’s plenty of supply,” said Todd Horwitz, chief strategist at Adam Mesh Trading Group in Chicago. “We’re going lower. The demand picture is looking poor and the market’s in the midst of a down trend.”

            This could be seen as 'bad timing' by certain ideologues, just before tonight's debate?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:39 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            Pete posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.[thumbup]

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/10/03/what-does-it-take-to-lose-credibility-for-right-wing/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: But the simple fact remains that Obama inherited a recovery
            ---------------------------
            You need to be hoisted by your own canard. Any improvements in the economy over the past three and a half years you've called a blip or you assign credit to in-place Republican policies. The economy was nearly bottomed out before Obama took over so it had no place to go but up. If it had been the a democratic administration responsible for that fiasco you'd be catatonic by now with all the vitriol. But keep supporting those who got us into this mess and insulting everyone who disagrees with you. You could have been a dictator had you been born with a measure of courage and in a different country.

             
          • Pete posted at 11:04 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012

            I said nearly. Yes, I noticed that BS creep into the GOP debates...hence my other comment about politicians. I hold to the philosophy of one of my favorite people...

            “It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen.” - George MacDonald

             
          • kohana posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://pjmedia.com/blog/norton-reader-teaches-obamas-2009-cairo-speech-to-college-students/

            Norton Reader teaches Obama's 2009 Cairo speech to college students.

            All I can say, for those of us who fell for Obama’s hopy, changy, thingy, is to thank the powers that be, our votes didn’t count in putting him into office. So we no longer have to carry that burden of sin, and shouldn't be condemned any longer. We’ll try to do better this time in putting him out of office. (Some of us, that is.)

            As I’ve mentioned before, my first real alert was the disrespect of our brand new POTUS’s wife’s lack of pride in being an American prior to the election. The clincher was the Cairo speech. If you had any knowledge of history, of what it meant to be an American, love of our constitution, that speech should have made you ill. And everything the person has done since has confirmed my disgust with who he is and what he has done.

            The above article clarifies why the Cairo speech is so wrong and why it should not be taught as a college subject.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            Pete: "Yes, but ginning up "class tension" is nearly the exclusive purview of the Democrat Party. "

            That's not very accurate. Did you watch the Republican Primary debates?

            HTC: HighTechCowboy posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            As Ronald Reagan so effectively said, twice: "There you go again!".

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            Why ObamaCare has doctors depressed and discouraged
            By Dr. Marc Siegel
            October 01, 2012

            Wednesday night the first presidential debate will take place in Denver. The focus will be on domestic policy. But it’s a safe bet, while you’ll likely hear about ObamaCare, you won’t hear about the doctors on the front lines of medicine in the United States today. President Obama has said he likes the term ObamaCare because it signifies that "Obama cares," but if he does, why has he failed to consider life here in the medical trenches, where me and my fellow physicians are discouraged and concerned about how we will care for you and your family in this brave new world of health insurance expansion.

            You may remember the famous ad that took aim at Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan (now the GOP’s vice presidential nominee) and his proposed privatizing of Medicare -- that showed the congressman pushing an elderly woman off a cliff. The hard truth is that it is we doctors who are going off the cliff, not granny.

            President Obama and Congress should have checked with the country’s physicians before passing a law that relies on our efforts to handle health insurance expansion to more than 30 million more people.

            A new on-line survey by the non-profit The Physicians Foundation, one of the largest doctors surveys ever performed, confirms that over two thirds of physicians are pessimistic about the future of medicine, over 84 percent feel that our profession is in decline, and a majority would not recommend it as a career for their children. (The survey was sent to over 600,000 doctors and over 14,000 responded).

            If you ask my three children you will find that neither my wife or I (also a physician) are recommending a medical career to them despite the fact that we still manage to find ways to enjoy what we do.

            Survey after survey from Deloitte, Sermo.com, the Doctor-Patient Medical Association, and Investors Business Daily have all previously shown that doctors are not happy with the direction of medicine and that it is impacting how we practice.

            Over the past two years I’ve taken my own informal survey as have my patients and patients all across the country. Doctors everywhere are complaining. We are overburdened, underpaid, ill equipped to handle what we already have on our plates let alone the expected expansion under ObamaCare. Technology provides us with more complex tests and treatments that we are paid less for administering to an increasing volume of patients.

            Patients are rightly worried that they won’t be able to reach us when they need us the most.

            No one bothered to check with doctors before ObamaCare was passed but you better believe that they are checking with us now. And if you don’t like what doctors across the country are saying, forgive me if I say “I told you so.”

            Perhaps most disturbing, more than half of doctors surveyed by The Physicians Foundation revealed that they will cut back on patients (including Medicare) or reduce patient access to their care over the next three years.

            Doctors are exhausted, and we simple can’t handle all the paperwork or the growing list of medical problems presented to us by the chronically ill. This loss of man hours comes at a time when ObamaCare is expanding the entitlement and we are already faced with a physician shortage which will reach 160,000 by 2025, according to the Association of American Medical Colleges. This patient expansion is taking place while we, doctors, are contracting -- it is a perfect storm.

            I may be not one of the 60 percent of doctors (according to the survey) who would retire now if I had the means, but the federal government can’t rely on all of America's doctors having the resources, passion, or wherewithal to soldier on with the heavy burden of ObamaCare.

            We doctors feel powerless. According to The Physician’s Foundation over 80 percent of us don’t feel we have a say about the future of medicine. How disturbing is that, to be riding on a train that is heading over a cliff and we can’t afford to get off, to slow the speed, or to change direction? We have been shouting at the engineer but he isn’t listening.

            It isn’t granny who is going over the cliff, it’s me and my fellow doctors. Unfortunately, you patients are going along for the ride.

            Marc Siegel MD is an associate professor of medicine and medical director of Doctor Radio at NYU Langone Medical Center. He is a member of the Fox News Medical A Team and author of The Inner Pulse: Unlocking the Secret Code of Sickness and Health

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:54 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            When asked who would be better for the economy, economists picked Romney over Obama by a 3-to-1 margin, but CNNMoney manages to downplay it:

            CNN story shows economists favor Romney -- but headline stresses they do so 'reluctantly'
            October 02, 2012

            Even the good news for Mitt Romney come wrapped in a bad news ribbon.

            A recent CNNMoney story reported that the Republican presidential nominee, despite trailing in a number of swing state polls, is the overwhelming choice among economists surveyed. They picked him, according to CNNMoney, by a 3-to-1 margin. However, CNNMoney made sure to stress in the headline that they did so "reluctantly."

            The article was part of a CNNMoney survey in which nine of 17 economists picked the Republican presidential nominee when asked whose election would help the economy grow more.

            Only three picked President Obama, and the remaining five made no pick, “with several suggesting neither (candidate) would provide much of a lift to the sagging economy."

            The headline, though, sounded like it was a downer for the GOP nominee: "Economists reluctantly pick Romney."

            “Would CNNMoney have reported that economists ‘reluctantly’ picked President Obama by a 3-to-1 margin?” the website NewsBusters asked in a story Tuesday pointing out the headline.

            CNN was contacted about the headline early Tuesday afternoon but has yet to respond.

            The first two economists quoted in the story were less than flattering for Romney, saying “he doesn’t understand how to govern” but that his policies compared against Obama’s would be “less bad for the economy.”

            The most supportive economist comment for Romney is the final quote in the story.

            Allen Sinai of Decision Economics said Romney's calls for “cutting growth of government outlays, lowering tax rates and closing loopholes, less regulatory uncertainty ... smaller government and entitlement reform all must be tackled."

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/02/cnn-story-shows-economists-favor-romney-3-1-but-headline-says-choice-made/print#ixzz28FBUvtqE

             
          • Pete posted at 7:46 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            Report: JP Morgan Makes Over Half A Billion Dollars Off Food Stamps

            A new report by the Government Accountability Institute finds that JP Morgan has made at least $560,492,596 since 2004 processing the Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards of 18 of the 24 states it has under contract for the food stamp program.

            Indeed, JP Morgan’s Christopher Paton told Bloomberg News that food stamps are big business for the big bank:

            “We are the largest processor of food stamps in the country…[the EBT program] is a very important business to JP Morgan. It’s an important business in terms of its size and scale…. Right now volumes have gone through the roof in the past couple of years or so. The good news from JP Morgan’s perspective is the infrastructure that we built has been able to cope with that increase in volume.”

            While some may be glad that a private company—not a government agency—is tasked with EBT transactions, the GAI report reveals that JP Morgan does not use the same fraud detection systems commonly used by today’s credit card companies. In fact, federal and state agencies—not EBT processors—are the ones tasked with policing food stamp fraud.

            That means EBT processors enjoy multiple pathways to profits that run counter to efficiency and strong oversight. For example, writes GAI president Peter Schweizer:

            Any time TANF recipients withdraw their cash benefits or make balance inquiries through out-of-network ATM machines, the user may incur ATM transaction fees generally ranging from $.75 to $1.50. In addition, most states allow EBT processors to charge card replacement fees. Arizona cardholders, for example, are permitted one free replacement a year, after which a $5 per card fee is imposed. The same goes for customer service calls: After an EBT cardholder exceeds the state’s maximum number of free calls, EBT processors typically tack on a $.25 per call fee.

            By making welfare inefficiency and abuse lucrative, the poverty industry has created a potentially toxic brew of corporate cronyism and government inefficiency that lets food stamp abuse enforcement slip through the bureaucratic cracks:

            According to the USDA’s website, the federal food stamp program has “over 100” inspectors to police the nearly 200,000 retailers nationwide that accept EBT cards. For its part, the state of Florida has 63 positions allocated to police over 3 million EBT users. JP Morgan is currently involved in an eight-month pilot project with Florida focused on EBT fraud and abuse. The total staff? Just one JP Morgan employee and five to ten state employees, according to Florida officials.

            So how did EBT processors like JP Morgan land its lucrative half-billion dollars worth of contracts?

            The GAI report, Profits From Poverty: How Food Stamps Make Corporations Money, says JP Morgan’s political donations to members of the House and Senate Agriculture Committees (who oversee the food stamp program) skyrocketed once the bank entered the EBT market:

            Between 1998 and 2002, JPMorgan’s total contributions per election cycle averaged $82, 897. After JP Morgan entered the EBT services market until the 2010 election cycle, their average donation per cycle more than doubled to $215,120…. JPMorgan’s donations to political campaigns also show a clear trend. During the 2008 election, Barack Obama received more than twice the contributions of John McCain: $807,000 for Obama compared to McCain’s $345,505.

            Today, one out of every seven people in America receive taxpayer-funded food stamps.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:46 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            Doctor summarizes ObamaCare in one sentence:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:37 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

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            What the media isn't telling you about our economy
            By John Lott
            October 01, 2012

            Judging from the media coverage, you might think that our economy was improving. You’d be wrong.

            The truth is that the slowest recovery on record appears destined to set even more records for slow growth. That’s not good news for President Obama. And more bad economic news hit him this past week. Here's a short list of indicators:

            -- Slow GDP growth: GDP rose at an annual rate of just 1.25% during April through June, barely keeping up with the growth in population. The economy has been getting slower and slower since the end of last year.

            -- Durable goods orders plunged 13.2 percent in August.

            -- Median household income has actually fallen. Income has dropped from $53,718 to $50,678 since the “recovery” started in June 2009.

            Despite all this, the news media has been uncharacteristically cheerful the last couple of months. Take some of the newspaper headlines from August, when the unemployment rate had gone up again for the second time in three months, rising from 8.2 to 8.3 percent. The Wall Street Journal headline read: “Job Gains Spark Stock Rally.” The New York Times reported: “Hiring Picks Up in July, but Data Gives No Clear Signal.”

            These headlines can’t truly be labeled “dishonest,” but they are misleading. Initial job growth was reported to be 163,000 (later revised downward to 141,000), but the working age population had grown by 198,000.

            The media decided to emphasize the small grain of positive news that they could find in the report which was the slight uptick in jobs.

            But the press isn’t always so consistent. You won't be surprised to learn that when there is a Democratic president in the White House, the media tend to view things in a positive light. When Republicans are at the helm, they are more negative.

            Kevin Hassett at the American Enterprise Institute and I recently studied newspaper headlines from 1985 to 2004. We looked at the percentage of newspaper headlines that were positive when new economic numbers were released. For example, after accounting for the unemployment rate and new jobs and whether those numbers were increasing or decreasing, we looked at the percentage of newspaper headlines for those stories that could be classified as positive, negative, neutral or mixed.

            Here's what we found: For the top 10 largest newspapers, for the same types of unemployment news, the headlines were 15 to 16 percent more positive when a Democrat was president.

            Today, it appears that the mainstream press is particularly eager to support President Obama. They are bending over backward to spin the economic numbers in a positive way.

            In September and August, The Wall Street Journal and New York Times gave Obama slightly more positive headlines than Bill Clinton would have received with the same economic news.

            President Obama also got more than 20 percent more positive headlines than our data indicated that similarly situated Republicans would have gotten. This more positive coverage has a real impact on people’s perceptions of the economy. More positive headlines raised people’s perceptions that the economy was getting better. The average difference in positive headlines between Democrats and Republicans produced about a four-percentage point increase in respondents viewing the economy as getting better.

            In a close election, that difference can mean a lot.

            John R. Lott, Jr. is a FOXNews.com contributor. He is an economist and co-author of the just released “Debacle: Obama's War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future” (John Wiley & Sons, March 2012). Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr.


             
          • Pete posted at 7:37 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 5:46 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012

            "I am not a Class Warfare junkie, however I do recognize and try to understand Class Tensions, real or imagined; both economic and cultural. However, I am enough of a realist to know there is no final answer, only understanding and empathy. A work in progress."

            Yes, but ginning up "class tension" is nearly the exclusive purview of the Democrat Party. The sad thing is, that the poor don't recognize that the Left/Progressive/STATE-ist power base views them as a foundational voting bloc and as such, has no interest in "progressing" them out of dependency (they actually want to grow their ranks)...all this despite their "sincere" professions of "understanding" and "empathy". Understanding and empathy never pulled anyone out of poverty in any permanent sense...but it sure as he// has kept a lot of folks in it. The conservative/libertarian view offers those in poverty an invitation to prosperity. Our voting bloc consists of the successful and those who believe they can be; therefore, we have an interest in growing our voting bloc by raising people out of poverty and giving them real hope based on sound fiscal policy and the understanding that they can do for themselves better than government can do for them.

            "My dislike of Rehberg goes back to his stint as Lt. Gov., and is a personal dislike. His years in the House and his reactionary -reelection voting-didn't change my opinion of him. I just flat don't like the guy."

            If we voted on who we personally liked, who the heck would we vote for? After all, they are politicians...not the most likable bunch.

            "All I can do is point out, to the Bankruptcy Court, his beautiful house, his beautiful protected assets, and what it cost me to enable his Life Style. I wonder if he had turned off Russ Limbaugh Radio and actually put his thinking hat on, things would be different?"

            Where is your understanding and empathy? I get your frustration on the personal level, but you can't have it both ways. You're upset because he is playing by the rules that are a result of progressive legislation and incentivized by GSE's. He is simply one of millions taking part in re-distribution of wealth. Ain't so much fun when it's your wealth, is it? This happened millions of times across the country when folks purchased homes with sub-primes or NMD and then took loans on the rising equity and spent like drunken sailors. When the bubble burst they simply walked away...with new cars, boats, etc. and rented an equally nice house across the street for less than the mortgage they had been paying. It was/is a taxpayer funded lottery and the most massive re-distribution of wealth in history. It also sounds to me like he needs to listen to more Limbaugh, not less. He certainly gets no "empathy" from me...but he lives in a small town where shafting your neighbors is never a good idea, so I'm sure he'll get educated rather quickly.

            P.S. I hope you had fun with the twins...you can always take a nap later. That's allowed at your age.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: At a personal spending level, I am a fiscal conservative.

            HTC: But apparently not so much at a public spending level, at least when spending OTHER people's money.

            Rob123: At the National Voting Booth, I have voted for 2 Democrats for President: McGovern in 72 and Obama in 2008. Both votes were reactions to my observations as to what was wrong and sick in America.

            HTC: So, in response to what you perceived as being "wrong and sick in America", you voted for the two most far-left, radical socialists ever fielded by either major political party. Talk about "sick and wrong!"

            That's equivalent to trying to get rid of your dog's worms by poisoning the dog! And you consider that a rational response?

            Rob123: I am not a Class Warfare junkie, however I do recognize and try to understand Class Tensions, real or imagined; both economic and cultural. However, I am enough of a realist to know there is no final answer, only understanding and empathy. A work in progress.

            HTC: There is no final answer to what ails mankind other than the end of mankind; that is, unless we figure out a way to change human nature and the science to do that, if possible, would put us into a "brave new world" with the possiblity of previously unthinkable horrors.

            Poverty will always be with us as long as there are people who chose to live and vote irresponsibly; but, if you subsidize that poverty, you'll only get more of it.

            Class warfare has always been the tool of the scum-sucking socialist; so, when you see it, you already know what kind of vermin you're dealing with.

            Rob123: At this point in the re-election cycle, I don't like either presidential candidate. At the State Level, I 'like' Jon Tester at a personal level, but shudder at his fiscal policies and old school 'Dept. of Agriculture' opinions/legislation. My dislike of Rehberg goes back to his stint as Lt. Gov., and is a personal dislike. His years in the House and his reactionary -reelection voting-didn't change my opinion of him. I just flat don't like the guy.

            HTC: I'm actually not a big fan of Romney; however, logic dictates that, after four years of economic misery due to policies which were guaranteed to be ineffective or even dead wrong, it's a no-brainer to go with the guy who's successfully built and turned around big companies, rather than betting again on the guy who's built nothing other than a massive ego.

            As for Rehberg v. Tester, I have issues with Rehberg as well, but none as great as those I have with Tester, who said he was going to make D.C. look more like Montana, but immediately became an Obamaton and began trying to make Montana look more like D.C.

            Easy choice on that one, too!

            Rob123: Sadly, politics in America being what they are, I look forward to 1Jan, and the Fiscal Cliff. Spending $1.40 for every $1.00 received MUST end. Will it affect me? Probably not as much as the Chapter 7 bankruptcy of a contractor 3 weeks ago, who I have been banking for the past couple years as small and regional banks tighten up their lending standards and hoard cash in order meet Basel 3 Capital Requirements. And sitting in my office listening to him blame Obama for his ills was emotional nausea for me, especially when I know the Federal Rules of jumping into the face of someone after one receives the notice of bankruptcy. All I can do is point out, to the Bankruptcy Court, his beautiful house, his beautiful protected assets, and what it cost me to enable his Life Style. I wonder if he had turned off Russ Limbaugh Radio and actually put his thinking hat on, things would be different?

            HTC: Obviously, it was incorrect for your contractor client to blame ALL of his troubles on Obama; after all, his party had a lot to do with the slow strangulation of our economy and has been gradually bringing us to the edge of the financial precipice for 80+ years. And there's the fact that he probably made some poor business decisions, over-leveraged himself during the boom years, etc.

            But the simple fact remains that Obama inherited a recovery that was already underway and turned it into the first 'recovery' that feels more like four years of recession. There's nothing any individual can do to counter THAT and save his business, Limbaugh Thinking Cap or not.

            You voted for Obama (poison the dog to get rid of the worms) and now you're paying for that choice. Elections do have consequences, my friend.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:46 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            JBSTONE: All this despite an April 11 battle — which included antiaircraft guns and RPGs — that erupted just two-and-a-half miles from the consulate.

            HTC: It is important to note that the ambassador, and the three others who died with him, were likely killed by weapons that were part of Qaddafi's arsenal which we failed to secure after his regime was toppled. In addition to countless light arms, that arsenal also included RPGs, rockets, artillery, anti-aircraft guns, an estimated 200,000+ tons of Semtex, a high explosive similar to C4, and mustard gas.

            Intelligence sources say that most of those weapons are now unaccounted for and many have fallen into the hands of terrorists elsewhere in the Middle East and in Africa.

            Additionally, the Obama administration approved the release of $33B of Qaddafi's liquid assets in the U.S. to help fund their liberation effort, but with no real accounting as to who was withdrawing those funds and for what actual purpose.

            To call this administration's foreign policy "naive" is simply too kind. "Insane" would be a more appropriate word.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:46 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            Pete posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            At a personal spending level, I am a fiscal conservative. At the National Voting Booth, I have voted for 2 Democrats for President: McGovern in 72 and Obama in 2008. Both votes were reactions to my observations as to what was wrong and sick in America.
            I am not a Class Warfare junkie, however I do recognize and try to understand Class Tensions, real or imagined; both economic and cultural. However, I am enough of a realist to know there is no final answer, only understanding and empathy. A work in progress.
            At this point in the re-election cycle, I don't like either presidential candidate. At the State Level, I 'like' Jon Tester at a personal level, but shudder at his fiscal policies and old school 'Dept. of Agriculture' opinions/legislation. My dislike of Rehberg goes back to his stint as Lt. Gov., and is a personal dislike. His years in the House and his reactionary -reelection voting-didn't change my opinion of him. I just flat don't like the guy.

            Sadly, politics in America being what they are, I look forward to 1Jan, and the Fiscal Cliff. Spending $1.40 for every $1.00 received MUST end. Will it affect me? Probably not as much as the Chapter 7 bankruptcy of a contractor 3 weeks ago, who I have been banking for the past couple years as small and regional banks tighten up their lending standards and hoard cash in order meet Basel 3 Capital Requirements. And sitting in my office listening to him blame Obama for his ills was emotional nausea for me, especially when I know the Federal Rules of jumping into the face of someone after one receives the notice of bankruptcy. All I can do is point out, to the Bankruptcy Court, his beautiful house, his beautiful protected assets, and what it cost me to enable his Life Style. I wonder if he had turned off Russ Limbaugh Radio and actually put his thinking hat on, things would be different?

             
          • Pete posted at 5:24 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Uh oh....Barry (Sharpton) Obama without the teleprompter. Amazing how the MSM "missed" this nonsense...and weeks later Barry suddenly didn't know Brother Wright.

            Exclusive: In heated ’07 speech, Obama lavishes praise on Wright, says feds ‘don’t care’ about New Orleans [VIDEO]

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/02/obama-speech-jeremiah-wright-new-orleans/#ixzz28EXRJf1a

             
          • Pete posted at 5:08 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            JBSTONE posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012

            [beam]

             
          • laker1 posted at 9:32 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:17 pm on Sat, Feb 4, 2012.

            Rick Spencer: Here is the first public authored response I have seen to the ruling. RLS

            HTC: While I fully expected the judge to chicken-out and toss this hot potato, I wondered how he was going to sidestep the code of statutory construction. It was simple - he ignored it altogether, even though it is a binding principle which every court is required to follow.

            Per that principle, a judge would be forced to acknowledge that the Constitution and the law recognize that there are "born citizens" (also called 'natives', who acquired their citizenship by birth on U.S. soil) and "naturalized citizens". The code requires a jurist to recognize that the phrase "natural born citizen" contains a qualifier that obviously had additional meaning and he/she must attempt to ascertain that meaning.

            Judge Malihi chose to sidestep that requirement altogether and chose pseudo-jurisprudence as his escape door.

            This debate will continue until SCOTUS finally feels compelled to take it.

            Editor posted at 11:13 pm on Sun, Jan 29, 2012.

            Posts: 324 Staff

            Jennydoe wrote: "Frank, I am still perplexed by this line in your article last week, "President Obama certainly can make a strong case that he meets the definition of a “natural born citizen,” especially if he presents a hard copy of his Hawaiian birth certificate instead of the digital copy released last year." I just don't see where it fits in this case. "

            I'm not sure where your confusion lies, Jenny. The point is that since "natural born citizenship" hasn't been established as a point of law yet by the Supreme Court (despite the glancing blows in Minor v. Happersett and in a few other cases) it is entirely possible tat President Obama could convince a court that birth on native soil does itself establish "natural born citizenship" regardless of parentage. The birth certificate would of course need to be valid in order to prove this applied to Barack Obama.
            As I have said repeatedly in the past two columns, the matter remains unresolved. I have not claimed to know which way a court would rule on the matter, merely said that a court SHOULD rule. Those who belittle that argument show themselves to be mere partisans unable to behold the principle behind the point of law. --Frank

            PS: In last week's column, I too (like HTC this week) explicitly said that the wording in Minor v. Happersett was ambiguous and therefore could not be relied upon to resolve the matter of how parentage affects "natural born citizenship."

            Nor were HTC and Our Dear Editor alone:

            “Supreme Court Reviews Eligibility Petition Monday
            09/24/2012
            The Supreme Court is scheduled to review our petition of the Georgia Court’s Obama eligibility ruling sometime Monday. During this conference, they will be deciding whether or not to accept our petition to review the decision of the lower court. Remember that the Judge Malihi ruled that Obama is a natural born citizen in defiance of standing Supreme Court precedent. The higher courts in Georgia then refused to overrule the unconstitutional ruling of Judge Malihi.

            After exhausting required procedure in Georgia, we filed a petition directly with the Supreme Court of the United States. Our petition asks two questions:

            Question #1:

            Does the right to associate force states to
            accept any candidate from political parties for
            presentation on state primary ballots when such a
            candidate does not meet the minimum legal
            qualifications for the office sought, thereby negating
            state election laws and state control of elections?

            Question #2:

            Are all individuals born on U.S. soil Article II
            “natural born citizens,” regardless of the citizenship
            of their parents?

            These are fundamental questions that must be addressed for our election process to have any validity. Please pray with us that the Court will make the right decision tomorrow.”

            http://libertylegalfoundation.org/2265/supreme-court-reviews-eligibility-petition-monday/#.UGum1k3YHEw

            On Monday, October 1, 2012, the Supreme Court issued an order denying this petition for a writ of certiorari among others.

            The Supreme Court of the United States is not the court of last resort because it is always right: it is always right because it is the court of last resort.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:54 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            JBSTONE posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012

            Very, very good JB, sitting here l m a o.

            If those 4 letters are put together the computer thinks it profanity. Frank, you have to get a different program that doesn't blush so easy.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:35 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Danger is everywhere..........

            John Cleese: Alerts to threats in 2012 Europe


            The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

            The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

            The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

            Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

            The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

            Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

            The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

            Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

            -- John Cleese - British writer, actor and tall person A final thought -“ Greece is collapsing, the Iranians are getting aggressive, and Rome is in disarray. Welcome back to 430 BC."

            http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002555582

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:22 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            ......just in time for the elections......

            Suspect In Benghazi Attack Was Freed From Egyptian Prison After Obama Demanded Mubarak Vacate His Throne Immediately;

            http://minx.cc/?post=333385

            Administration Ignored Repeated Attacks in Benghazi, and Repeated Warnings To Consulate Security

            Taking the second headline first: Wired's Danger Room reports on a long string of Al Qaeda-like attacks on Western interests (including the consulate itself) in Benghazi in the months leading up to the deadly attack. And Obama seems to have been the only person not anticipating an attack:

            As Danger Room first reported, the U.S. military never protected the Benghazi outpost. That job was instead left to a small British private security firm, named Blue Mountain, that was paid $783,000 for it efforts. In the weeks leading up to the September 11 assault, the unarmed Libyan guards employed by Blue Mountain Group were “warned by their family members to quit their jobs… because there were rumors in the community of an impending attack,” Issa and Chaffetz write. There were no smoke-protection masks or fire extinguishers, so consulate staff couldn’t put out the flames once the place started to burn. A source tells Fox News that the only protective equipment stationed at the consulate were a few video cameras.

            All this despite an April 11 battle — which included antiaircraft guns and RPGs — that erupted just two-and-a-half miles from the consulate. Fifteen days after that, an American Foreign Service Officer had to be pulled out of a firefight by members of a local militia, the February 17 Brigade.

            Just a few weeks later a militant group launched RPG attacks at a Red Cross office in the vicinity of the consulate. The group then updated its Facebook page to read:

            “We didn’t want to hurt the Christians; it is just a warning. Now we are preparing a message for the Americans.”

            When Jake Tapper asked the White House if consulate staffers had asked for increased security prior to the attack, the White House said "No comment."

            Issa and Chaffetz wrote:

            “[M]ultiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 (2012) attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi. The mission in Libya, however, was denied these requests by officials in Washington.”

            Jay Carney's response? Same crap they keep saying.


            “I’m not going to get into a situation under review by the State Department and the FBI,” Carney said.

            Well that's convenient.

            What level of naivete is required to blow off serious threats to US personnel? Who denies a request for more security in a roiling Al Qaeda town?

            The Administration denied, Chris Stevens died.

            A suspect in the attacks is one Muhammad Jamal Abu Ahmad. He seems to have been released as part of that Arab Spring that Obama was once so crazy about.

            Fighters linked to one freed militant, Muhammad Jamal Abu Ahmad, took part in the Sept. 11 attack on U.S. diplomatic outposts in Libya that killed four Americans, U.S. officials believe based on initial reports. Intelligence reports suggest that some of the attackers trained at camps he established in the Libyan Desert, a former U.S. official said. …

            On returning to Egypt in the 1990s, a former U.S. official said, Mr. Ahmad became head of the operational wing of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was then headed by Ayman al-Zawahiri, a physician who is now the chief of al Qaeda. Associates of Mr. Ahmad agree he was part of Egyptian Islamic Jihad but say he wasn’t among its leaders....

            So this guy is a disciple of Zawahiri, and a day before the attacks Zawahiri called for "vengeance" for the death of an Al Qaeda operative there.

            And he was sprung from prison, it seems, in an effort to appease the Muslim Brotherhood -- which now controls Egypt, and which is pressuring Obama to release the Blind Sheikh who masterminded the 1993 WTC bombing.

            Despite Nina Totenberg chuckling off this murder/terrorism cover-up business, it does appear the Administration is covering up a case of colossal negligence and incompetence.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:21 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: A Bubble Factory buys your vote? And when it bursts, blame someone else?

            HTC: That train of thought would make Clinton the ultimate hypocrite, since he had FAR more to do with the housing and subprime bubble than Bush ever did; yet, he blamed Obama's troubles on Bush as well.

            In fact, Clinton's dotcom bubble is what left Bush with a recession, further aggravated by the 9/11 attacks.

            But that's the nature of progressives: always blame somebody or something else; and, if that doesn't work, lie about the situation. Carter did that, too, and, like Carter, Obama's going down hard.

            There's alot to learn about REAL character when you contrast Reagan's approach to the Carter-caused recession he inherited versus Obama's. Reagan took charge AND responsibility for what happened on his watch because HE now had the job, not Carter.

            It's very difficult to find that kind of character on the Democratic side of the aisle and Obama is far from that end of the spectrum as one can possibly get.

             
          • Pete posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 1:56 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012

            Please educate yourself on this instead of bottom feeding with the rest of the class-warfare dupes and peddling nonsense. Look at who pushed cr*p legislation, ill-conceived regulation, and social agendas...not to mention nearly out-right vote buying. Most (nearly all) of them had a D before their name. And....please....don't call yourself a fiscal conservative while parroting Krugman.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:08 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            Well, due to a scheduling snafu, I am off to babysit the twins. You guys keep your weapons on safety. I'll get back to you. Shalom.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:58 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/TheList.htm

            About the List of Terrorist Attacks

            (I attempted to post the list of just 2012 however the atrocities couldn't pass the obscene test)

            19,692

            This list of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims since 9/11/01 (a rate of about four or five a day) is incomplete because not all such attacks are picked up by international news sources, even those resulting in multiple loss of life.

            These are not incidents of ordinary crime involving nominal Muslims killing for money or vendetta. We only include incidents of deadly violence that can reasonably be determined to have been committed out of religious duty - as interpreted by the perpetrator. Islam needs to be a motive, but it need not be the only factor.

            We usually list only attacks that result in loss of life (with a handful of exceptions). In several cases, the deaths are undercounted because deaths from trauma caused by the Islamists may occur in later days, despite the best efforts of medical personnel to keep the victims alive.

            We usually don't include incidents related to combat, such as in Iraq and Afghanistan, unless it involves particularly heinous terror tactics. Unprovoked sniper or bombing attacks on foreign military personnel serving normal police duties are sometimes included depending on the circumstances (although rarely). We do include suicide bombings.

            We acknowledge that a handful of incidents on the list may not fit the traditional definition of 'terror attack.' A small portion, for example, are of honor killings - although we usually omit those in which the woman is killed by her husband, since this is often indistinguishable from a crime of passion (barring explicit circumstances).

            Our counter reflects the number of deadly attacks on our list. This number will be a bit greater than the number of line items, since multiple incidents are sometimes grouped in the same record.

            Unfortunately, this list of Muslim terrorist attacks barely scratches the surface of atrocities committed in the name of Islam occurring world-wide each day. For that reason, we don't tally up the dead and dismembered, except on a weekly and monthly basis.

            As an example, most news articles on the violence in Southern Thailand note that about 900 people were killed in 2005. We estimate that 150 of these deaths are of the Islamic militants themselves, which means they killed some 750 people that year. But TROP only recorded the deaths of 314. We under reported more than half the casualties in a country with a decent news infrastructure. Imagine what we don't catch in the Sudan, where the overall toll has run into the hundreds of thousands!

            The ridiculous level of violence that Islam serves up to the world makes it impossible to compile a complete list.

            The incidents are collected each day from public news sources. There is no rumor or word-of-mouth involved. Although every attempt is made to be accurate and consistent, we are not making the claim that this is a scientific product.

            Unlike the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), which publishes a tally of alleged "hate crimes" each year without supporting data, we do provide detail of each incident that we claim as a terror attack and make it available for verification.

            No other religion inspires the sort of terrorism that the "Religion of Peace" produces. We hope that this list offers a dose of perspective against so-called "Islamophobia" and other complaints from Muslim identity groups that are petty by comparison.

            Who knows - perhaps one day Muslims will have a change of heart and decide to take the sort of action that one might expect of people who believe that it really is wrong to kill in the name of their religion. We'll know when this happens because it will be when Islam exchanges self-absorbed whining for true contrition and an end to the violence.


            This is Ismail Haniyeh, the leader of the Hamas terror group, which the Palestinians have chosen to run their government. He wants your money... unconditionally.

            These are his people, the Hamas terrorists who have slaughtered hundreds of innocent people in shopping malls, cafes and even on buses. (They're holding Qurans).
            This is an example of who they murder: Mazal Marciano a talented and devoted mother of two small children. She made easy pickings for Haniyeh and his henchmen.


            Are you burning with the Peace of Islam?

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          • Pete posted at 2:55 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 5:11 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012

            "....in fact the 2 year delay allowed Britain to manufacture enough Hurricanes and Spitfires to push back the German Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. A great military strategy! Just not favorable to American Right Wing Neo-Con political thought, however."

            I see you are peddling Chamberlain's effete revision of reality as the truth now? How convenient...how "progressive" of you. Would you like a low fat, high sugar school lunch to go with that? I guess ol' Nev was even fooling himself if you read his diary letters huh? While he did finally embark on a re-armament program, it was hardly a "brilliant military strategy". Good grief, ask the Czech, Poles, French, etc. etc. and six million Jews how "brilliant" Chamberlain's strategy was. If it hadn't been for Goering's bumbling idiocy and Hitler's insanity Britain would have lost the "Battle of Britain" quite handily. I see you also left out the part the Labor Party played in the tragedy after Chamberlain had reality shoved down his throat.

            "Chamberlain's policy of rearmament faced much domestic opposition from the Labour Party, which favored a policy of disarmament and until late 1938 always voted against increases in the defence budget (afterwards Labour merely switched towards a policy of abstention on defence votes).[12] Labour repeatedly condemned Chamberlain for engaging in an arms race with Germany, and instead urged that Britain simply be disarmed out of the expectation that this example would inspire all of the other powers to do likewise.[12] Throughout the 1930s, Labour frequently disparaged Chamberlain as a crazed war-monger who preferred high levels of military spending to high levels of social spending.[13]"

            Sound familiar?

             
          • kohana posted at 2:40 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob, you don’t read enough. Sweden has one of the highest rapes statistics in the world. They don’t get bombed as much, the Muslims just rape their children. I know you hate reading any of the web sites that keep track of Islam’s misdeeds, but you really ought not to be so naive. More than 19,200 Jihadists attacks have occurred round the world since 9/11/01. Of course during this past Sept, and yesterday more have been added.

            Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time
            www.thereligionofpeace.com/

            Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11 .... innocent victims and complain after every Jihadist terror attack that all Muslims should not be punished ...
            Myths of Islam - Ten Reasons Why Islam is ... - About the List of Islamic Terror ...

            Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/

            Gates of Vienna
            http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

            Geert Wilders, Fitna
            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html

            Cavatus’s Blog, The situation in Sweden..
            http://cavatus.wordpress.com/2012/03/24/sweden-a-raped-country/

            Daniel Greenfield
            http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/

            The following from just a google inquiry.

            Sweden | Terrorist Attack | Stockholm
            www.globalpost.com/.../suicide-bombing-sweden-stockholm-terrorist...
            Dec 12, 2010 – Suicide bombing shocks Stockholm, Sweden. Malfunction contained damage from car bomb in central Stockholm. The attack is being called...

            Terror suspect 'Swede' held in Kenya was Swiss - The Local
            www.thelocal.se/40854/20120515/
            May 15, 2012 – The “Swedish” national who was arrested in Kenya on suspicions of having links to the Somali Islamist militia al-Shabaab turned out not to be ....

            So terrorism has just come to Sweden? Get real | Per Wirtén ...
            www.guardian.co.uk/.../2010/.../sweden-sheltered-terrorism-get-real
            Dec 14, 2010 – Magnus Ranstorp, an expert on terrorism based at the Swedish National Defence College, said that "Sweden has before this been a sheltered ...

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:56 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: Hmmm.....Bush: Net 1.8 million new jobs; Obama: barely above zero.

            A Bubble Factory buys your vote? And when it bursts, blame someone else? Oh, that's right.......5% of your income is from patents on Predator Drones. Fear is good business, eh?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:43 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: "Researchers are now beginning to understand to some degree why so-called "conservatives" and many "libertarians" are much better at threat recognition than are most progressives. It could ultimately explain why so many progressives can't recognize the Islamic threat or the threat of big government, and why they believe those who can are "racists" or "conspiracy nuts." "

            OMG! Yes, even paranoid people actually have some enemies. Just not as many as they think.

            "Sweden and Switzerland are not targets for terrorism because they do not bully the world. If we want to stop Middle Eastern terrorists from targeting the United States, we should stop messing with the Middle East.… Since 9/11, the United States has become increasingly oppressive toward its own people. Obama asserts that he has the right to assassinate American citizens without due process. (pp. 154, 157)"
            http://mises.org/daily/6216/What-Is-Neoclassical-Liberalism

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:36 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: Not logical. Eight years of Bush was of no help.

            HTC: Hmmm.....Bush: Net 1.8 million new jobs; Obama: barely above zero.

            I'm glad you have an outside accountant, since your own math is horrible!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:29 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            kohana: “Based on information provided to the Committee by individuals with direct knowledge of events in Libya, the attack that claimed the Ambassador’s life was the latest in a long line of attacks on Western diplomats and officials in Libya in the months leading up to September 11, 2012,” Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operation, wrote Clinton today.

            “It was clearly never, as Administration officials once insisted, the result of a popular protest. In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi,” they continued. “The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

            HTC: It is obvious as to why the Obama administration lied for so long about the source of the attack on our consulate in Benghazi: to cover up for their complicity in the ambassador's death due to their ignorant foreign policies towards Islamic terrorists. If Bush had been similarly responsible for a high-ranking State Department employee's death, the mainstream media would never let us hear the end of it; in fact, they'd be demanding his resignation and, failing that, impeachment!

            Their hypocrisy reeks beyond description, as does that of those who continue to support this suicidal Moron-in-Chief.

            But there is another story which the treasonous mainstream media is burying which is just as repulsive in the depth of the stupidty and lack of caring by Obama which it betrays, and that is the continuing saga of the victims of the Fort Hood shooting by Major Nidal Hasan, who clearly committed an act of Islamic terrorism against his fellow soldiers.

            As nearly everyone knows by now, Obama had all the documents associated with the investigation of that shooting redacted to remove any references to terrorism, Islam, etc. so that he could classify the incident as merely "workplace violence." Gotta' keep suckin' up to those homicidal maniacs, don't ya' know.

            By refusing to declare it an act of terrorism so that he could give "combat" status to the victims, as we did to the personnel who were wounded or killed in the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon, this administration has denied them support, benefits and even service medals that they and their families badly need and deserve, while that jackass of a president runs around on the campaign trail telling us about how much he cares for the little guy and pretending to love our men and women in uniform!

            Only by backtracking and reclassifying the shooting as a terrorist attack, as they did in the case of the Pentagon attack on 9/11, can these victims be given that precious "combat" status they deserve. It is more important to this president to suck up to the scum who celebrate those attacks and are doubtless planning more such attacks, than it is to see that justice is given to American victims.

            He//, yes, I'll adamantly declare that our Commander-in-Chief is a coward and a traitor who loves his idiotic progressive causes more than his fellow Americans!

            And to he// with those who, knowing of such deeds, continue to support that POS!


             
          • Bronco posted at 1:25 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: I don't blame your accountant, I blame Washington; specifically tax-and-spend Democrats and the people who vote for them.

            So, you don't need to hire Romney's accountant. Just hire Romney as the next president.
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            Not logical. Eight years of Bush was of no help.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:09 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            kohana: A Guide to the Obama Administration’s Five Major Scandals for Mainstream Media Dummies

            HTC: When one looks at how willingly the left will forgive the countless sins of Obama and his staff, including overlooking the deaths of State Department personnel because of gross incompetency, and then lying to cover up that incompetency, one wonders if liberals have any morals whatsoever.

            I would have to say "No, they do not." and offer as final evidence the fact that they are willing to mortgage the futures of their children and grandchildren in the pursuit of their perverted sense of "social justice" and do not shed a tear over the failure of the public school system which has sent their children off into the world largely unprepared for the high-technology, global marketplace of the 21st century.

            Enough said...

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            kohana: Kind of like trying to train a puppy by sticking their nose in their poop and tossing them out the door. Doesn't work....

            HTC: I love your metaphor! And some puppies, like some progressives, actually like the process!

            You're right - nothing works with most of them. If you can get them to agree on the facts and then lead them to their logical conclusion, they'll tell you that your logic is flawed. If they know where the facts will lead the argument, they deny that the facts are facts.

            They represent a special kind of mental illness which the APA is not willing to acknowledge because over 90% of them are progressives who suffer from the same affliction.

            The newest neurological research into differences between people's personalities, various skill sets such as math, logic, scientific reasoning, threat perception, etc. is quite revealing. It seems that there are indeed differences that are to some extent "hard-wired" into us due to differences in brain development and interconnections between the various parts of the brain.

            Researchers are now beginning to understand to some degree why so-called "conservatives" and many "libertarians" are much better at threat recognition than are most progressives. It could ultimately explain why so many progressives can't recognize the Islamic threat or the threat of big government, and why they believe those who can are "racists" or "conspiracy nuts."

            Anyway, just be thankful that you're not one of them, just as they should be thankful that the rest of us make their continued existence possible.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:47 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: You know it was both parties, just different emphasis. Get real.

            HTC: Yes, it was: 90% Democrats; 10% GOP.

            Bronco: With all these tax cuts, why am I still paying 24%?

            HTC: My point exactly. We need deeper cuts to get the economy moving again (in addition to major regulatory reform, which is another BIG problem.)

            Bronco: Don't blame my accountant; he's one of the best in Hawaii. Maybe I should hire Romney's?

            HTC: I don't blame your accountant, I blame Washington; specifically tax-and-spend Democrats and the people who vote for them.

            So, you don't need to hire Romney's accountant. Just hire Romney as the next president.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:29 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            mooseberryinn posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012

            My liberal friends send me back e-mails, "It's all lies, lies, and more LIES!" My sister has even blocked me from her mailbox. Kind of like trying to train a puppy by sticking their nose in their poop and tossing them out the door. Doesn't work, but at this point I don't know what else to do. I've done the "leading them to the proper place at the right time" for months, and that hasn't worked either.

            One dear friend sent back, "Kay, after Nov. 6th, the sun will still rise in CA and we will still be friends." Can't say no to that, as she baby sat me when she was a teen-ager. So she is near 90 years old and will never change.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            Kohana - Most excellent! You would think we should be hearing the word "impeachment" floating around by now. But thanks to the collective regime media, most of the crimes/failures/ineptitude gets buried very quickly.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:37 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am
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            With all these tax cuts, why am I still paying 24%? Don't blame my accountant; he's one of the best in Hawaii. Maybe I should hire Romney's?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:58 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            HTC: "HTC: Oh, so it's the GOP and not the Federal Reserve and the Dems' insane housing policies which created our bubbles?"

            You know it was both parties, just different emphasis. Get real.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Rob123: Interestingly, V.P.hopeful Paul Ryan has expressed how a 20% Tax Cut across the board for everyone, while keeping Home and 2nd Home Deductions, Medical Insurance Deductions, and a litany of other deductions, will grow the economy and reduce the Deficit< BUT>the Math is too complex to explain in an interview or in writing? I am sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside?

            HTC: Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney are WRONG!

            There, I've said it! Happy?

            Well, don't be, because their 'error' is in not being aggressive enough in their tax policy; specifically, they should be cutting taxes even further than Bush did, rather than trying to achieve a revenue-neutral solution which is somehow 'fairer' for all. Simply extending the Bush tax cuts clearly isn't enough, given the current structural and functional impairments in the economy. Cuts have to be deep enough to once again encourage capital investment instead of capital preservation/tax avoidance, the latter being what we're now witnessing at near record levels. The cuts by progressives in the '20s, which gave us the "Roaring '20s" and JFK's tax cuts were the deepest cuts in terms of their reductions of the top marginal tax rates and they also produced the biggest surge in economic growth.

            In other words, they were the largest "tax cuts for the rich" and produced the strongest economic growth in response; not only that, they actually caused the 'rich' to end up paying a larger percentage of all income taxes paid!

            What Chris Wallace and others are concerned about - that Ryan's 'math' doesn't add up and will actually result in tax reductions - is exactly what we should be hoping is the case.

            Let's get back to basics for a moment. If the government wants to stimulate the economy, outside of insane monetary policies which produce massive perturbations/bubbles with disastrous consequences later, it has only two options: (1) Keynesian-style 'stimulus' which has NEVER worked in any of the hundreds of instances it's been tried; or, (2) Reducing the tax burden on the private sector to stimulate investment and spending, which has ALWAYS worked every time it's been tried.

            Such tax-cut based stimulus is often referred to by today's progressives as "trickle down" economics which isn't actually a macoeconomic theory but merely a caricature created by progressives who don't want to argue the merits of the actual tax cut strategy and the behavioral changes those cuts promote in investors and consumers alike, ALL nicely documented by historical fact.

            Tax-cut advocates are basing their strategy on proven changes in behavior by investors in response to the lower tax rates. Opponents of such cuts portray the proponents as wanting to enrich themselves and other higher-income taxpayers in hopes that their increased prosperity will somehow magically "trickle down" to others, which they claim will never happen.

            So, one side is talking about behavioral changes which increase total economic output while the other side (progressives) is disingenuously talking about changing the direction of existing income flows to favor the rich, but at existing levels of economic output.

            These are two VERY different things, but this is how progressives avoid having an HONEST discussion of historically-proven tax policy. The rhetoric of the left today is VERY different from what it was in the 'glorious' progressive days of the Woodrow Wilson administration.

            Back in the days of Woodrow Wilson and his progressive administration, there was general recognition by progressives and conservatives alike that tax cuts actually increase government revenue because they grow the size of the economy, and that too high a tax burden has the opposite effect and stifles economic growth, as the 'rich' seek shelter from the tax man. They ALL saw tax cuts as a surefire way to increase government revenue, something the progressives wanted so as to fund the government expansion which they so desired.

            Even John Maynard Keynes said that “taxation may be so high as to defeat its object,” that “given sufficient time to gather the fruits, a reduction of taxation will run a better chance, than an increase, of balancing the Budget.” Of course, Obama The Economic Illiterate wants to increases taxes which even Keynes recognized as folly and economists today assure us would send us into a second dip or even depression.

            What followed the steep tax cuts in the '20's were rising output, rising employment, rising income and RISING tax revenues on that significantly greater income. In 1921, when the tax rate on people making over $100K/yr. was 73 percent, the government collected $700M in tax revenue, 30% of that paid by those over that $100K threshold. By 1929, after a series of rate reductions reduced the top tax rate to 24%, the government collected over $1B, 65% of which was paid by those with incomes above $100K.

            We see the same patterns after JFK's, Reagan's, and G.W. Bush's tax cuts, as well as after Clinton's capital gains tax cut. The moral of the story to someone who isn't either intellectually incompetent or serving a dark agenda of some kind, is that the best way to "make the rich pay their fair share" is to cut their tax rates!

            You can find a relatively short, but extremely informative analysis of this subject, by economist Thomas Sowell here:

            www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

            Within Sowell's scholarly work you'll also find an explanation of how high tax rates encouraged the massive flow of capital into tax-exempt municipal bonds which, in turn, led to reckless municipal spending policies and the fiscal crises many municipalities have dealt with and are now still struggling to overcome.

            So, my beef with Romney and Ryan is that they're being too timid in their tax policies; but, that is understandable, given the rabid nature of the we've-got-to-get-Obama-reelected-by-any-means-possible media that exists today. I mean, it's tough when you're running against a candidate from the other party AND the bulk of the media as well!

            Rob123: It sounds to me like the Republicans are going back to their old "Bubble Factory"?

            HTC: Oh, so it's the GOP and not the Federal Reserve and the Dems' insane housing policies which created our bubbles?

            You're sounding as factually ignorant as Bronco. No wonder you two get along so well.

            Rob123: So, I sit on the sidelines, Undecided in both the Presidential Race and the Montana Senate race.

            HTC: Why anyone would continue to contemplate doubling-down on the man (and his surrogates like Tester) who's presided over the worst economic recovery since FDR, is simply beyond me. Even a drunken gambler knows that, when you were dealt a pair of twos, you should put your hope in the next deal and not the current hand.

            Since you don't seem to understand that, I'd love for you to join our weekly poker game.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:31 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Okay Frank, go with it!

            A Guide to the Obama Administration’s Five Major Scandals for Mainstream Media Dummies

            Posted By Bryan Preston On October 2, 2012 @ 6:36 am In Politics

            A month to go before President Barack Obama faces re-election finds the president dealing with five major scandals. Any one of these scandals would sink a mere mortal, but Barack Obama as we all know is no mere mortal. He is a lightworker, author of hope and change, the man whose election should have been the moment that our ailing planet itself was healed. So none of these scandals are much of a threat to him. In political terms Barack Obama is a god, immortal and untouchable.

            Barack Obama is politically immortal because our mainstream media is hopelessly immoral. Also, corrupt down to its miserable, rotten core. But should there be one member of the mainstream media who still cares about truth, should there be a single member of the mainstream media who actually cares about reporting these things called “facts,” should there be Woodward or Bernstein out there who just wants to make a name for themselves, I have put a little guide together outlining the five scandals that ought to sink Barack Obama’s political career.

            Scandal 1: Fast and Furious. You might have heard of this one. It involved allowing thousands of guns to “walk” across the US border into Mexico during 2009 and 2010, not coincidentally the height of that country’s drug war so far. One of those guns turned up in the hands of a Mexican drug cartel operator, at the murder scene of US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Another has been linked to the murder of US Customs Agent Jaime Zapata. So this scandal has an American body count: 2. Fast and Furious also has a Mexican body count that may get up into the hundreds. While the shills in the mainstream media ran shady poll after shadier poll to tell America that the presidential race is over, Univision scooped them, discovering that Fast and Furious operated well beyond Arizona and that some of its guns turned up in all kinds of heinous crimes, including massacres of Mexicans.

            Beyond the body count, there lingers the question: Just what did the administration hope to accomplish by letting guns get into the hands of drug cartel operators without tracking those guns adequately. The intrepid reporter can surely run down all kinds of angles and avenues just by seriously asking that single question. Instead of asking that question, though, the mainstream media has picked up its shovels and helped Obama and Eric Holder bury all those Fast and Furious casualties in a hole quite a bit deeper than six feet, known as the Memory Hole.

            Scandal 2: Kathleen Sebelius breaks federal law, keeps her job. In February 2012, Secretary of Health and Human Services (that’s a federal position, just in case you’re not up on your civics) Kathleen Sebelius openly electioneered on government time in her official capacity during a visit to North Carolina. The Hatch Act, a federal law, expressly forbids such activity. The department she heads decided to cover her actions up by re-badging her appearance as a personal one, and had her pay some money to cover expenses. All of that constitutes an active cover-up. An investigation found that Sebelius has indeed violated the Hatch Act, which as I already mentioned, is not a mere suggestion or guideline — it’s a federal law. Federal officials who are found in violation of the Hatch Act tend to get fired quickly. But Kathleen Sebelius not only has not been fired, President Obama has already appeared with her on the campaign trail since she was found to have violated the law.

            The Hatch Act is very serious law. It was written so that government officials could not abuse their power over subordinates for political reasons. By keeping Sebelius on the job, Obama has effectively gutted the Hatch Act and declared open season by higher ranking government officials on lower ranking ones.

            Scandal 3. Obama administration leaks sensitive national security information for political purposes. In a series of stories that were published in the New York Times, and in a movie production that was set to make a two-hour pre-election infomercial for President Obama, a person or persons within the administration leaked all kinds of sensitive national security information to the media. These persons leaked the names of active Navy SEAL special operators to Hollywood producers, they leaked details of ongoing cyber operations against Iran, and they leaked details about how the president decides when and where to kill terrorists. None of this information should have leaked. All of it hurt our nation’s security in one way or another. All of it, if leaked by someone not in the president’s inner circle, would get the leaker jailed and charged with serious crimes. No one has been fired, no one has been jailed. Presumably the leaker or leakers still have access to sensitive information and can still leak it whenever they choose. Or are ordered to.

            Scandal 4. Obama administration tells defense contractors to violate federal law. Bonus: Obama administration says it will use taxpayer dollars to pay any government fines incurred. This scandal is still ongoing, and it could be a big one. The Obama administration entered into a spending deal with Congress, by which automatic budget cuts will start slicing away unless the politicians act to stop them and find other places to cut or raise revenue. Some of the biggest cuts will hit defense contractors. Those contractors are required by federal law to inform their workers if layoffs may be close at hand. Thanks to sequestration, layoffs are close at hand unless the politicians hammer out a deal, which they haven’t done. So Lockheed was set to send out the pink slips, but on Friday and then against Monday the Obama administration told them not to. That command is in violation of federal law. The Obama administration doubled down on that illegal command, by telling the contractors that the government, which would collect any penalties resulting from the failure to give out the layoff notices, will pay the fines. Wrap that around your head for a second — the government is commanding contractors to break the law, which in ordinary circumstances would trigger monetary penalties and might render that contractor ineligible for future government contracts. And on top of that, the government says it will use taxpayer dollars to pay the penalties, which would go to the government — in other words, itself.

            How is this scandal not both a late night comic’s dream and a fertile patch for an intrepid reporter to cultivate?

            Scandal 5: Libya. The short version of the Libya scandal goes like this. President Barack Obama has been skipping more than half of his Presidential Daily Briefings. His State Department sent an ambassador to war torn Libya, but did no threat assessment before handing him a consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Benghazi isn’t exactly a tourist destination. In the post-Gaddafhi Libya that Obama helped create via a war of dubious legality, Benghazi is a lawless hotbed of al Qaeda and related terrorist activity. The consulate in Benghazi was given no Marine protection and in fact did not have the standard security arrangements at all. It was protected by local militias for hire. Such arrangements tend to find cheap local fighters of highly questionable loyalty.

            On Sept 8, 2012, the US government starts to get warnings that terrorists intend to strike in Cairo, Egypt and in Libya. Threats in Libya against the US ambassador there had been ramping up for months. On Sept 11, 2012, the terrorists strike and in Libya, they sack the largely unprotected US consulate, and murder the ambassador along with three other Americans.

            On that evening the US embassy in Cairo denounces a YouTube video as the inspiration for the attacks. The Obama administration in Washington is silent, though it learned of the attack on the consulate in Benghazi within 90 minutes of its beginning. The president himself learned that Ambassador Chris Stevens was missing as a result of the attack, yet went to bed and learned of Stevens’ death the following morning. The day after the attacks, President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton suggested that the attack was both an act of terror and a response to the YouTube film, which had been produced by an obscure figure who may be a con man in the United States (and then Obama jetted off to Vegas for a fundraiser). In the ensuing days, the Obama administration would tell America that the attack in Benghazi was “spontaneous,” not pre-planned, though the US intelligence community viewed that attack as a terrorist strike within the first 24 hours.

            That same week, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Martin Dempsey, called an obscure anti-Islamist preacher in Florida to urge him not to support the obscure YouTube film lest more riots and violence occur. At the end of that week, the Obama Justice Department had tracked the obscure filmmaker down in California, publicly identified him, and rousted him at midnight for “questioning” and a media perp walk. That filmmaker is now in jail on probation violations. As of yet, the word “scapegoat” has not been used by anyone in the mainstream media to describe what has been done here. So for any intrepid reporters out there reading this, that term is yours for the taking and the shaping. No need to credit me.

            The Obama administration’s false version of events culminated on Sunday, Sept 16, 2012, when the administration sent US Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice on five nationally televised political talk shows to describe the Benghazi attack as “spontaneous.” Rice said that, according to the intelligence she had received, the attack was not pre-planned and was a response to the YouTube movie. That has turned out not to be true, at all.

            Despite the fact that administration officials including the president’s own spokesman have publicly described Benghazi as a terrorist attack, President Obama used his recent address to the United Nations to blame the film, again.

            Possible motives for this ongoing cover-up before our eyes include but are not limited to any of the following:

            President Obama had been skipping his intel briefings in favor of campaigning, and attacks on US soil occurred on his watch on an anniversary that he and his team really ought to have planned better for.
            Clinton’s State Department failed to predict and plan for the chaos that it helped author in Libya, resulting in the first field killing of a US ambassador since 1979. Clinton still has a political future to think about.
            The Obama administration has argued that since the death of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda is on the ropes and on the road to defeat. But if al Qaeda coordinated attacks against the US in two of the so-called “Arab Spring” states, is the administration’s line accurate, or is it a fantasy?
            President Obama really did believe that his inauguration would help usher in peace with the terrorists. Terrorist attacks on US soil, on the anniversary of 9-11, leave him baffled and confused.
            The Obama-Clinton-Rice-Jarrett policy of helping push the Arab Spring has resulted in rising Islamist power across the Middle East. The administration believes that, rather than acknowledge the reality that it has helped spread chaos that might trigger a massive regional or even world war, it’s preferable to curb American free speech rights and use the might of the state to intimidate obscure preachers and turn hack movie makers into political prisoners.

            So there you go. Five big scandals to chew on, any one of which have the potential to bring down a president. A couple of them are easily bigger and juicier than Watergate. A couple even have body counts. A couple could be linked together to show a pattern of lawless behavior.

            Get to work, intrepid reporter. You don’t need Deep Throat, and you don’t need to be Woodward or Bernstein. You just need to follow up on any one of these five massive scandals and report them fully in the mainstream media.

            I should advise you, you won’t win any Pulitzers and you’ll probably get fired. But you just might save your country.

            Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler

            URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/02/a-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-five-major-sca

             
          • kohana posted at 9:14 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Oh man, the information just gets worse and worse:

            Oversight GOPs: Benghazi Mission was Denied Increased Security

            Posted By Bridget Johnson On October 2, 2012 @ 7:35 am In Middle East,Politics,Terrorism

            The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee told Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that it intends to hold a full hearing on Oct. 10 to delve into the Sept. 11 Benghazi attack, even though the Hill is in recess.

            The panel is taking advantage of House Rule X, which allows Oversight to investigate “any matter” at “any time” as the head watchdog of the lower chamber.

            “Based on information provided to the Committee by individuals with direct knowledge of events in Libya, the attack that claimed the Ambassador’s life was the latest in a long line of attacks on Western diplomats and officials in Libya in the months leading up to September 11, 2012,” Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, Homeland Defense, and Foreign Operation, wrote Clinton today.

            “It was clearly never, as Administration officials once insisted, the result of a popular protest. In addition, multiple U.S. federal government officials have confirmed to the Committee that, prior to the September 11 attack, the U.S. mission in Libya made repeated requests for increased security in Benghazi,” they continued. “The mission in Libya, however, was denied these resources by officials in Washington.”

            The letter lists 13 attacks and events in Libya since this spring that should have sounded alarms for increased security. Nine were in Benghazi.

            Weeks before the Sept. 11 attack, Issa and Chaffetz noted, “The unarmed Libyan guards employed by British contractor Blue Mountain Group were being warned by their family members to quit their jobs guarding Consulate Benghazi because there were rumors in the community of an impending attack.”

            The Oversight leaders asked Clinton to supply information and be prepared for a committee briefing on Oct. 8.

            “Was State Department headquarters in Washington aware of all of the above incidents? If not, why not?” they wrote. “If so, what measures did the State Department take to match the level of security provided to the U.S. Mission in Libya to the level of threat?”

            Article printed from The PJ Tatler: http://pjmedia.com/tatler

            URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/02/oversight-gops-benghazi-mission-was-denied-increased-security/

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:15 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1039

            RR, the press really went to he// in 1972-73.

            RR: Now, add the names of all the individuals who ultimately own, control, and manipulate "our" information, and you will have the names of the oligarchs running the entire show.

            Seems to me you are the only lefty here with any honesty(at times).

            HTC posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            Excellent post.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:42 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            mooseberryinn: "Rob123 - Ryan's math - seems much better than Max's math in the obamacare bill."

            I totally agree.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:13 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            Rob123 - Ryan's math - seems much better than Max's math in the obamacare bill. Check cost predictions from CBO. pretty grim.
            Kohana - Polls - You are correct. Grossly inaccurate. Most of the time, I politely say "no thanks". but then, there are the moments of "play" when I (sarcasticly) pretend to be an Obama worshiper and profess undying love for his failures. Or - I turn the tables and "answer" questions with questions. Like "vote for obama!?" are you kidding me? etc. etc. It's a grim business, but somebody has to keep 'em guessing.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:11 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

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            HTC: "Who cares what the Guardian in the UK thinks?"

            What? Obviously you don't understand the relationship between the House of Lords, the London Banking Empire-Casino, and the need for good Press? Heck, you are probably under the delusion that Chamberlain's Peace Initiative after Germany invaded Czechoslovakia was pure baloney, when in fact the 2 year delay allowed Britain to manufacture enough Hurricanes and Spitfires to push back the German Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. A great military strategy! Just not favorable to American Right Wing Neo-Con political thought, however.

            I guess living in an Eagles Nest in Montucky allows you to throw your weight around and influence people, without the hassle of actually interacting with the Maddening Crowd and their distorted views concerning Democracy and Fair Play?

            Interestingly, V.P.hopeful Paul Ryan has expressed how a 20% Tax Cut across the board for everyone, while keeping Home and 2nd Home Deductions, Medical Insurance Deductions, and a litany of other deductions, will grow the economy and reduce the Deficit< BUT>the Math is too complex to explain in an interview or in writing? I am sure it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside? It sounds to me like the Republicans are going back to their old "Bubble Factory"? So, I sit on the sidelines, Undecided in both the Presidential Race and the Montana Senate race.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:30 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Bronco: Obama predicted to win first debate despite trying to dampen expectations....

            HTC: Someone forgot to tell the DNC because they admitted on Sunday that they expected Romney to win the first debate. Who cares what the Guardian in the UK thinks? I sure don't.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:16 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            http://dotsub.com/view/cb4941af-6c14-4d85-a292-3601e2478814

            The above is what Pat Condell thinks of the Guardian Newspaper in UK, oh and he'll tell you a bit about the BBC as well.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:08 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            You all need to quit depending on polls, as only 9% of the people contacted actually agreed to answers questions, and a great many those don't tell the truth because they don't want the pollsters to have any information about them. Can't find the darn article I read today to link to.
            There is no way that 9% of the population will give any kind of accurate information. I hang up on pollsters myself, because they ask pushy questions. Like, if the elections were held today would you vote for this one or that one, and I say, "neither one, they're both polecats."

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:29 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HTC:
            The debates are likely going to play a BIG role and the DNC and Obama himself are already preparing their supporters for a Romney victory in this Wednesday's debate.
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            Obama predicted to win first debate despite trying to dampen expectations
            Romney and the president have both tried to play up the other side's debate skills, but latest poll favours Obama nonetheless...with expectations of Romney low, even a modest performance could be potrayed by his team as win.---http://www.guardian.co.uk

            You have slammed the Huffington Post dozens of times in the past so I won't even go there since to you say it's a biased source.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:29 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            WillK posted at 6:47 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            Rasmussen still shows the race as essentially a dead heat and Rasmussen was the only pollster who got it right in 2008.

            The debates are likely going to play a BIG role and the DNC and Obama himself are already preparing their supporters for a Romney victory in this Wednesday's debate.

            Furthermore, more economic indicators are trending downwards, so the economic news continues to worsen as election day approaches. That's really bad news for Obama.

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:21 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HTC: I guess my sources are simply better than yours. Obama does, on occasion, wear the Jorg Gray 6500 Commemorative Chronograph, gifted to him by the Secret Service. It is a special version of the watch that they wear and is valued at $395, not $210, which is price of their version of the watch.
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            Nice try, but you lose. That's the Commemorative model. The actual watch Obama was gifted was purchased for $210.
            The expensive watch was a gift also. The only watch reported that Obama bought with his own money is a TAG-Heuer which one can get on Ebay for a couple hundred dollars.
            I guess my sources are better than yours.

             
          • WillK posted at 6:47 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            WillK Posts: 66

            Recent polls show Romney falling behind after almost even numbers. Say the President and Gov. Romney were even at 47% three weeks ago. That leaves 6% remaining for the so called "undecided".
            Since the undecided are still undecided it would appear that enough Republicans must have changed their mind to make the 10 point spread and will vote for President Obama. This is highly unlikely and suggests severely flawed polling.
            We will know the answer on November 6th.
            Willk

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:44 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 5:14 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            I guess my sources are simply better than yours. Obama does, on occasion, wear the Jorg Gray 6500 Commemorative Chronograph, gifted to him by the Secret Service. It is a special version of the watch that they wear and is valued at $395, not $210, which is price of their version of the watch.

            You can see it here:

            http://www.jorggray.com/jg6500-history

            But his dress watch is an Anniversary Heart Cricket watch from Vulcain. His is reported to be the gold on titanium limited edition, worth an estimated $35K. The basic stainless version starts at $6500.

            Obama's "everyday" suits are indeed Hartmax suits which are custom tailored for him and valued at $1750 each. His dress suits for meetings with heads of state, etc. are reportedly Oxxford's from Chicago, and go for anywhere from $7500 to over $10,000.

            No matter what, Obama certainly dresses FAR above the level of the people he claims to represent and is in the same league with Romney on that score, making him a hypocrite with his criticism of Romney supposedly being out of touch.

            Of course, Romney does have a more expensive home but, unlike Obama, he purchased it himself; whereas, Obama's $2M home was financed by jailed felon Tony Rezco. Obama also started his political career in the home of unrepentant bomber and felon Bill Ayers. Seems a number of his friends and cronies are felons.

            Obama is definitely a class act.

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:14 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HTC: Obviously, you're as ignorant of who wears what in this race as you are on the issues themselves.

            Romney wears a $15,000 watch; Obama wears a $35,000 watch. Romney wears $5,000 suits; Obama wears $7,500-10,000 suits. The press, which is so enamoured with their guy, was recently praising Obama's taste in men's clothing and jewelry, apparently unaware that they were exposing their guy's hypocrisy when it comes to his attacks on Romney as being "out of touch" with the little guy.
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            Obama wears navy blue Hartmax suits that retail for about $1500 each. Hartmax does make a $35,000 suit, but Obama doesn't wear one.

            Obama's current watch cost $210 and was a gift from the Secret Service... http://www.onthedash.com/docs/obama.html

            "Obviously, you're as ignorant of who wears what in this race as you are on the issues themselves."---HTC

             
          • kohana posted at 4:32 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Muslims Destroyed 10,000 Books in American School

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On October 1, 2012 @ 3:50 pm In The Point | 2 Comments

            Remember this is about a movie trailer, it’s not about a destructive ideology that runs on hate. It’s about a movie. Just like the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was about a movie.

            This marks the second week since the devastating attacks on the US Embassy and the American Cooperative School of Tunis (ACST), Tunisia, where I teach art and drama here in North Africa. We are still holding our breath.

            Nowhere in our dreams did we imagine, all of us holed up in our homes, that the “peaceful protest” would turn ugly and migrate to our school, which is located across the highway from the embassy.

            Our only updates were from head of security at the school, describing the devastation, the looting and burning through Facebook posts and phone calls. The news was heartbreaking and shocking; books, computers, toys, furniture, personal possessions and even the school buses, smashed, burned, vandalized and subsequently destroyed, all in the name of an amateur anti-Islamist movie, which none of us had even seen.

            The Lower School library lost 10,000 books. The playgrounds were littered with shattered glass and melted plastic. Everywhere we looked, we saw hatred and anger. The acrid, smoky odor overpowered us. We were all brought to tears. This was a sucker punch; it wasn’t about the video, this was about feeling disenfranchised, envious and the opportunity to loot and destroy what wasn’t theirs. Little did these thieves and thugs realize, ACST employs many local Tunisians, and Tunisian children attend the school.

            We reluctantly re-entered the school on Monday, just the staff and teachers, dazed and confused. We went through the motions of cheerfully cleaning up the campus, but this violation was irreparable. There was, and still is, a loss of trust for Tunisian officials and local neighbors, many of whom were seen carrying laptops and guitars from the school in the streets. No one showed up to help us, and that made us very vulnerable and still does.

            There’s a dose of reality here, but not enough. The “thieves and thugs” clearly did realize it. They knew enough to make off with whatever they could while destroying what they couldn’t take. They had no reason not to do it because they knew that the silly American liberals would just replace all of it and then they can loot and pillage the school a second time. That’s how this game works.

            The books? As a certain Caliph said of the Library of Alexandria, if the books contradict the Koran then they are blasphemous and should be destroyed. If they agree with it, then they are redundant and should be destroyed. But if they are Kindles then we should take them and sell them on eBay to fund the martyrs fighting in Chechnya, Gaza and Timbuktu.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/muslims-destroyed-10000-books-in-american-school/

            Why does this article make me cry?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:33 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            jennydoe: we talk about freedom. the republicans have done their best to fight their war on drugs, at all our expense.

            HTC: I have many "freedom" issues with the Republicans as well. That's why I'm an independent and long have been. They're just not as big into running EVERY aspect of our lives as the progressives are, so my beefs with them are less numerous.

            jennydoe: In materials science....

            HTC: Like you, who struggles with the English language, even begin to know anything about matrerial science; but, you did cause me to chuckle.

            jennydoe: I stand by my internet creep statement....

            HTC: Too bad you won't stand by the Constitution and REAL personal liberty for everyone.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:26 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: ...every poll that puts Obama ahead of the expensive suit...

            HTC: Obama is ahead of himself? Obviously, you're as ignorant of who wears what in this race as you are on the issues themselves.

            Romney wears a $15,000 watch; Obama wears a $35,000 watch. Romney wears $5,000 suits; Obama wears $7,500-10,000 suits. The press, which is so enamoured with their guy, was recently praising Obama's taste in men's clothing and jewelry, apparently unaware that they were exposing their guy's hypocrisy when it comes to his attacks on Romney as being "out of touch" with the little guy.

            Bronco: ....will you accept the fact that you have no credibility or will you still carry on as the know-it-all expert in every field known to man?

            HTC: How the he// would an idiot like you know whether I or anyone else is credible?

            If you had any intelligence whatsoever, you'd know that it's still WAY too early to be calling who's right and wrong on the polls. We'll at least have to wait until the evening of the 6th of November, if not even well beyond that, when your guy starts chasing after hanging chads.

            As for other fields of knowledge, you can't even begin to list what I know that you do not, let alone what I don't know that you don't know either.

            Why don't you start with trying to disprove just ONE of the dozens of fact-based arguments I've presented on Obama's failed economic policies; or, simpler still, tell me what Obama's economic policies are, what they've actually achieved, and why you continue to support him?

            Anyone who intends to vote should at least be able to do that much!

            Or are you planning on doing the responsible thing and sitting this one out since your vote for Obama in 2008 proved to be so horrible in its outcomes?

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:11 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            kohana: Republicans don't care what you do as long as public monies of both Republicans and Democrats won't be used to pay for it. They vote to try and keep such laws out of our pockets.
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            from the Republican Platform: ...we believe that marriage, the union of one man and one woman must be upheld as the national standard, a goal to stand for, encourage, and promote through laws governing marriage. We embrace the principle that all Americans should be treated with respect and dignity.
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            How does gay marriage cost public money? and...do you see any inconsistencies between promoting laws to govern marriage and stating that government should not manage our personal lives? and...does that last sentence above support the first one?

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:00 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 1:16 pm
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            Excellent point!!! [thumbup]

             
          • kohana posted at 1:44 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Keep it up jennydoe and I'm going to start agreeing with HTC you are an idiot and not just ignorant.

            Republicans don't care what you do as long as public monies of both Republicans and Democrats won't be used to pay for it. They vote to try and keep such laws out of our pockets.

            When you can read and understand 10 pages of single typed information, and have it memorized in less than 2 minutes, determine errors of omission, I'll concede you might be close to HTC's abilities. Otherwise, can it!

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Breaking Obama And The Media

            [WARNING adult language at link]

            http://www.poletical.com/breaking-obama-and-media.php

             
          • jennydoe posted at 1:16 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 5:18 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.
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            wow, guess that didn't work. no surprises.
            we talk about freedom. the republicans have done their best to fight their war on drugs, at all our expense.
            the republicans believe they can control my womenly privates. the republican party is dwindling.

            "In materials science, creep is the tendency of a solid material to move slowly or deform permanently under the influence of stresses. It occurs as a result of long term exposure to high levels of stress that are below the yield strength of the material. Creep is more severe in materials that are subjected to heat for long periods, and near melting point. Creep always increases with temperature."

            I stand by my internet creep statement.


             
          • kohana posted at 1:16 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Bronco, you are wrong, I have never denied my hatred of Islam, a blood cult, that openly declare they are going to take over the world and behead anyone who denies the person they call a prophet.

            I deny my hatred of Muslim people, because they have been brainwashed since babyhood. They can and do learn better. Most of them do not proclaim it however, as it could lose them their heads. I have a very close friend raised a Muslim in Turkey and have recently met a magnificent woman, an Iranian, I would be delighted to call my friend.

            Both you and RR, as well as myself are atheists, but that doesn't stop me from trying to teach the evils of Islam. Too many people think Islam is just another religion protected under our 1st amendment rights.

            One thing the Iman's of Islam haven't really thought about, if criticizing a religion is made against illegal, the Islamists will have to stop condemning Christian and Jews, right? Stop threatening to behead us and to stop threatening to nuke Israel because it is a Jewish country. Stop killing all the people of other religions in the Muslims countries, right? Right.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:37 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HTC, if you oppose,i insult, and dismiss each and every poll that puts Obama ahead of the expensive suit, but Obama carries the election as predicted by those polls, will you accept the fact that you have no credibility or will you still carry on as the know-it-all expert in every field known to man?

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:34 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            kohana: RR: You keep remarking on my hatred of Islam. So tell me about your love and admiration for Islam.
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            This is exactly the sort of thinking I accused you of yet you denied vehemently.
            Just because one does not hate what you do, does in no way mean that they love what you hate.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:32 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            "So tell me about your love and admiration for Islam."
            \
            I love Islam as much as I love Christianity.
            I admire Islam as much as I admire Christianity.

            Mahalo kohana, i'm just messing with ya! Someone has to do it, hahaha!

             
          • kohana posted at 11:53 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            RR: You keep remarking on my hatred of Islam. So tell me about your love and admiration for Islam.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:49 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nWVL7TptQ24#!

            Obama Un-narrated Documentary/Review (in his own words)

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:33 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Bronco: So you hated Bobby Kennedy too. No surprise there.

            HTC: Actually, there was much I admired about JFK and Bobby. You just have no frickin' idea what they stood for, including JFK's famous admonition: "Ask not what your country can do for you...."

            But that's all YOUR party talks about today. They're out buying votes with other people's money like they've been doing ever since LBJ. Sandra Fluke is the poster girl for their entitlement mentatlity.

            You should really embrace LBJ - he's really more your style.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:30 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            My freedom and rights are not negotiable. Sorry about yours....

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 11:07 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            If Frank's article is true, it would appear Obama's election was ordained and paid for by some of those "wealthiest" individuals I was talking about. Maybe kohana is on to something, Islam has shown itself as quite the religion of control, yes?

            Boom!!................knowledge bomb!!

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:53 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            "Mainstream media is threatening our country's future"

            "But nobody says a word.

            Of course Republicans don’t raise it because in Washington, they simply want to do it when they get back in power. And, of course, the press doesn’t because they basically have taken themselves out of doing their job."

            Now, add the names of all the individuals who ultimately own, control, and manipulate "our" information, and you will have the names of the oligarchs running the entire show. It is, and has been for sometime, my opinion that we, (all of us), are nothing more than participants in a game being played out by a handful of the wealthiest people on the planet. You and I, the economy, politics (the election including the right vs left Paradigm), corporate control, and the new global economy pursuit, is contrived and controlled by these Oligarchs. This IMHO, also includes the incipient planned destruction of our constitution, which, won't fit into the "one world order" planned for our/the future.

            So now, let's get back to throwing punches over the Obama/Romney thing. Oh, what the h eLL, let's add a little Islamic hatred into the fray just for kahona's sake, hahaha!

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:41 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:35 pm
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            So you hated Bobby Kennedy too. No surprise there.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:39 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: Live and let live, you cretin! That's REAL tolerance!
            Now go stick your head back up that dark place it calls home.
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            "The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible."--Salman Rushdie

            And YSAA

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:17 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            kohana: Thanks for sharing that article. Needed to be said, more than once.

            HTC: Yes, it does need to be repeated and often.

            I would recommend that the Romney camp take Mr. Asman's recommendation one step further; as the Obama team continues to try to portray Romney as out of touch with middle class America, he needs to show that Mr. Obama is out of touch with reality on virtually every plane.

            Romney and Ryan should portray Obama as well-intentioned but completely clueless - someone who foolishly believes that government is a fount of miracles that can solve any problem. They should explain that as the reason for so many unkept promises - and incredibly foolish promises at that - such as the promise that his 'stimulus' would keep unemployment below 8% and have it down to 5.6% by this point in time, are ALL due to his total cluelessness on economics, foreign affairs, etc.

            It is a case that would be impossible for Obama to argue against, as the evidence is overwhelming that he knows NOTHING about such matters and would not have made such outrageous statements if he had a good grasp on such matters.

            The message then becomes, can the country afford to give Mr. Obama four more years using it, our economy and our way of life as a learning lab for the incompetent?

             
          • kohana posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            Thanks for sharing that article. Needed to be said, more than once.

            Rob123 posted at 9:35 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            There is little or no transparency in Obama's administration. Did you watch the Univision broadcast last night on Mexico's investigation of "Fast and Furious?" Liars Obama and Holder. How about the liars, Obama, Clinton and Rice, regarding the assassination of our Ambassador to Libya? Not just liars but absolutely corrupt through and through.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:35 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:01 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            And here I thought 'transparency' was all the rage in the Post-Enron world, especially among the gadget free Urban Amish, like yourSelf? Heck, even the Federal Reserve is making an attempt at it. Join the crowd! But, I am sure you will just spin a conspiracy out of that encyclopedic mind you purchased so long ago.
            Any thoughts on how the 10 largest banks have effectively become Public Utilities serviced by the Federal Reserve, while the 6500+/- smaller banks get hammered in a 'freely-regulated' dog eat dog Market Place setting?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:30 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            jennydoe: Hey HTC, don't you ever tire of being an internet creep?

            HTC: So, in your book, wanting to be left alone (i.e., free) and getting really annoyed when dumbazz liberals won't leave you alone and, so, you express your natural anger at their ignorant, expensive and dangerous meddling in others' lives - THAT makes one an "internet creep?"

            Only a profoundly ignorant progressive who has no idea what real freedom is or why anyone would get upset when others seek to infringe upon that freedom could make such a stupid remark.

            But let me be clear about one thing: As long as you and your ilk insist upon violating my rights, my freedom and our Constitution, I'll be as in-your-face as I can. People like you, who don't even begin to understand real adult conversation, deserve no quarter and only our contempt.

            Those who cannot understand the most basic principle of individual freedom - live and let live - deserve no respect and I will give them none.

            Do have a nice day in Pollyanna Land...

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            “Another Broken Promise, Mr. President?”
            By David Asman
            Published September 28, 2012 | FOXBusiness

            Right now, President Obama and Mitt Romney are looking for the one line that will stand out as the defining line of the debate, a line that encapsulates the candidate’s reason for running and all his frustrations with the other guy. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a solution for the nation’s problems. But it does have to immediately resonate with voters.

            In 1980, the quip that stood out was challenger Ronald Reagan’s dismissive, “There you go again...” to President Carter. Folks knew exactly what Reagan meant: that we had seen through Carter’s attempts to attack Reagan’s supposedly “radical tendencies” as a dodge to distract voters from Carter’s responsibility for an ever-weakening America.

            This time around it’s a safe bet that President Obama will try out another quip to further characterize Romney as an out-of-touch millionaire. It’s much less clear what quip the Romney team is looking for. His campaign has suffered from lack of clarity all along. The debates would be the perfect moment to fix on one. And frankly, we think we have one, based on the president’s own record.

            During the debate on Wednesday night, President Obama will undoubtedly be asked to defend his record. Mr. Romney will be asked to respond. When he does, Romney should wait a beat -- as Ronald Reagan knew how to do so well -- and ask: “Another broken promise, Mr. President?”

            Most Americans need to be reminded of just how many promises this president has broken. When you truly believe the government can fix almost anything, you’re bound to promise much more than can be fulfilled. Thus, Romney has a rich field to plow. The only problem will be brevity, because there are so many examples. But allow me to mention a few, each one of which could be condensed and followed by the refrain: “Another broken promise, Mr. President?”

            *The stimulus will prevent unemployment from rising above 8%, and will fall to 5.6% by 2012.

            This promise was presented on page 4 of the President’s January 2009 stimulus report. Of course, we know how this turned out. But it’s more than the abysmal unemployment numbers. The president added insult to injury by cooking the results of his failed “stimulus.” A $4.3 billion federal funding program for 36 wind farms still claims to have created 7,200 jobs. But when The Wall Street Journal went to all those projects in February, they found that they employed only 300 people. And speaking of “green projects,” how can we fail to mention….

            *Solyndra, “leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future.”

            About $535 million of your tax dollars were wasted on this white elephant. While the nation struggled through high unemployment and falling real wages, your tax money subsidized huge salaries, financial protection for the president’s investor friends, and a glass palace filled with expensive, modern art and steam rooms that are now on the chopping block. While there are at least a dozen other “green” failures like this one, Solyndra was supposed to be his shining example of a government-directed “New World” economy. Of course, the president denies that he favors just green energy, claiming…

            *”I’m committed to an all-of-the-above energy program."

            Except for all of the ones that actually work, like cleaner-burning coal, offshore oil and gas drilling and fracking for gas and shale oil, a process that has led to unemployment rates of less than 3% in North Dakota. But while an energy-friendly president could help us become energy self-sufficient and create jobs without spending a dime of taxpayer money, this president was too busy pushing through...

            * Obamacare, which “…won’t add another dime to the deficit.”

            Any sixth grader could have told you that adding 30 million people to the insurance roles could not be done for free. Far too late, the CBO and others have figured out that the price tag for Obamacare will actually be in the trillions. And speaking of Obamacare, remember these:

            *”Health premiums will go down $2,500 by the end of my first term.”

            In fact, the Kaiser Family Foundation recently found that health premiums have gone up $3,000 since President Obama was in office.

            *Under Obamacare “you will keep your health insurance. This law will only make it more secure and more affordable.”

            But as the CBO has pointed out, many employers will find it cheaper to drop their health plans, pay a fine and leave the coverage up to the government, which costs taxpayers more money and forces the insured onto some as-yet-unknown type of coverage.

            *My goal is to strengthen and preserve Medicare.”

            In fact, Obamacare cuts about $716 billion from Medicare over 10 years. While the economy will be center stage, there may be room for at least one promise Obama made about our standing in the world:

            *"Since my election…you're starting to see some restoration of America's standing in the world."

            After recent events in the Mideast, does anyone really think that our standing in the Arab world is stronger than it was? The Muslim world respects strength, not vacillation, and certainly not an apologist.

            If Gov. Romney focuses on the theme of broken promises, he can always end by reminding him of the following promise made early on:

            *”If I don’t fix the economy in three years, then I’ll be a one-term president. "

            To which Mr. Romney can say: “Mr. President, this is one promise I’m determined to help you keep.”

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:01 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 2:35 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012

            I don't need technology to see around corners when those corners are on things as transparent as you.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:23 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2667

            re; JB - EXEC. ORDERS - Well done. Scary isn't it? Comrade Obama setting out the means to seize power. Now that truly is a nightmare.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:19 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HTC: if they force Schaeffer to resign
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            All I could find is Schaeffer offered to resign, probably stressed out and looking for some time off.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:18 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2197

            I don't want to run your life or tell you how to live and I sure as he// don't want a moron like you running mine.................Now go stick your head back up that dark place it calls home.

            Hey HTC, don't you ever tire of being an internet creep? I think this is gonna be a long month with your lashing out at anybody not voting republican, or even if they may be, but you hate them anyway.... How about a new leaf as fall descends? try to keep your ugly tones to yourself. Sometimes it helps to type out your hateful speech, but then if you don't hit 'post comment' it is better for all of us. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice. This forum would be better for it. You are not the all-knowing and your probing is really disgusting.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:05 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.
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            Since you can't even understand simple English, it's little wonder that you fail to grasp everything else.
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            sure likes me some pictures

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:35 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6574

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoHeWgLvlXI&feature=youtu.be

            Interesting! 1,000,000,000,000 Frames/Second Photography - Ramesh Raskar

            Think of the possibilities when Apple puts one of these into it's iphone 26+......Finally, HTC will be able to see around corners and actually see what is there, instead of turning it all into a sublime Rorschach Test that says more about his psychology than anything else. How refreshing!

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:33 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Bronco: and here's what he has to say about you---

            HTC: You are, without a doubt, the dumbest SOB I've ever run across.

            I don't care WHAT you call yourself, because you share one thing in common with all progressives and that is the incessant desire to 'fix' things and, in the process, to determine how the rest of us will be allowed to live, what we'll be allowed to eat, drink and do for recreation, how much we'll be allowed to earn and how much we'll be allowed to keep; even how much we can leave behind for those we love when death inevitably claims our least breath.

            And, in the end, all you do is guarantee misery and catastrophe for most of us.

            You haven't the foggiest idea what real freedom is nor what you and your kind have tossed aside amongst the precious gifts our Founders bequeathed to us.

            And you dare call ME intolerant. You pompous A S S!

            I don't want to run your life or tell you how to live and I sure as he// don't want a moron like you running mine. All I ask, as any free man asks - yes, even demands - is for you to leave me and my family the he// alone.

            I don't need people like you who are profoundly ignorant of economics, finance, morality, freedom, justice, etc. dictating the definitions of things you don't understand to me or anyone else.

            Live and let live, you cretin! That's REAL tolerance!

            Now go stick your head back up that dark place it calls home.

            Freedom is the emancipation from the arbitrary rule of other men. - Mortimer Adler

            "Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter." - Ayn Rand

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:11 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            HTC: ... your progressive imagination as to how you think the world ought to be.
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            Fisrt, and again, so many effing times again, I am not a progressive. That particular platform is not my style. (Cue insult-based attack)

            Now, allow me to quote a Democrat whom I met two weeks before he was killed.

            “"Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not."”

            and here's what he has to say about you---

            “What is objectionable, what is dangerous, about extremists is not that they are extreme, but that they are intolerant. The evil is not what they say about their cause, but what they say about their opponents.”
            Robert Francis Kennedy

            and YSAA

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            jennydoe: Oh lookey here!! The Republican campaign has differing views on how Rmoney will do. Seems they've been taught well.....

            HTC: I see that you can't even tell the difference between a statement that a debate will be challenging (Ryan's statement) versus a statement that clearly says they expect their guy to lose the debate (the DNC's statement).

            Since you can't even understand simple English, it's little wonder that you fail to grasp everything else.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:16 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            jennydoe: Yes, it is most likely that we will change our small minds in just a few nights....

            HTC: Actually, it's incredibly unlikely that you'll ever change your admittedly small minds EVER in your lifetime.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:13 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 4:52 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            I think maybe I'll take the time to write the board of directors and tell them that, if they force Schaeffer to resign instead of standing up to the hateful and ignorant morons leading this drive against their company, I'll organize a boycott of their product on the basis that they deserve to go out of business because of their cowardice.

            Anyone who'll kowtow to this scum doesn't deserve to prosper.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:55 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            In response to HTC's continual pointing out that Obama's going to lose according to the DNC....

            Oh lookey here!! The Republican campaign has differing views on how Rmoney will do. Seems they've been taught well.....

            On “Fox News Sunday,” vice presidential nominee Paul Ryan portrayed Obama as a seasoned debater and Romney as the underdog newcomer.

            “I don’t think one event is going to make or break this campaign,” Ryan said. “Look, President Obama is a very — he’s a very gifted speaker. The man’s been on the national stage for many years, he’s an experienced debater, he’s done these kinds of debates before. This is Mitt’s first time on this kind of a stage.”

            But on three separate Sunday shows, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R), a top Romney surrogate, promised an excellent performance that would reset the race.

            http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/romney-debate-expectations-conflicting.php?ref=fpa

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:41 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Rob123: "As President Barack Obama widened his lead over Mitt Romney in polls this month, traders at hedge funds and investment firms began shooting emails to clients with a similar theme: It's time to start preparing for an Obama victory."

            HTC: So we're supposed to believe that the folks who didn't see the dot com collapse or the financial collapse of 2008 can now predict elections?

            Laughable!

            Let's see how things look come Thursday (after the first debate.) Even the DNC doesn't expect their guy to win that one! Reagan didn't pull ahead to after the last debate, so the horse race doesn't mean anything yet.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:36 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9886

            Bronco: I want to improve you, and your wife. I want to improve the country. I want to improve Mitt Romney. I want to improve Republicans. I want to improve the Flathead. Can you give me lessons instead of examples?

            HTC: Why don't you start with improving yourself first? I've been giving you lessons, you just don't understand the subject matter or refuse to learn what doesn't fit your progressive imagination as to how you think the world ought to be.

            The primary problem with you progressives is that you think it's the rest of the world that needs "improvement" when the reality is that it's you who needs the improvement. We just want you to leave the rest of the he// alone.

            But that seems to be too complex a message for you to grasp.

            If everyone improved themselves and their own lives, the country and the world will be right behind them.

            So start there and feel free to stop by again for a free progress report.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:33 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            BurtonRobson posted at 6:02 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012
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            MT? have you seen the latest Rasmussen poll?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:03 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            JBSTONE posted at 5:39 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012
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            Thanks JEB for teaching me that it isn't so much what the Executive Order entails, it is who is behind it.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:00 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 6:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012
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            Yes, it is most likely that we will change our small minds in just a few nights, when we can witness the empty chair debating the expensive suit.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:54 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 4:52 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012
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            I remember reading something about that the other day....but resignation? wt? map of pakistan? wt?
            Then I noticed the jihadist website and said, "no wonder."
            Here is how the Bozeman news reported it, and really despite the facebook comments, how much muslim business do you figure Wilcoxson really lost?.......

            Wilcoxson’s under fire for inflammatory Facebook comment
            Jason Bacaj, Chronicle Staff Writer The Bozeman Daily Chronicle
            Posted: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 11:09 am · Updated: 3:21 pm, Wed Sep 26, 2012 · 130 comments


            Wilcoxson's Facebook flap
            A Sept. 21 comment thread from the Facebook page for Wilcoxson's Ice Cream that has drawn criticism to the company online today.

            Local ice cream maker Wilcoxson’s is under fire for an inflammatory comment it provided in response to a question on its Facebook page Wednesday morning.

            An unidentified Facebook user asked the company on Sept. 21 whether its cookies and cream ice cream had gelatin in it. The user was concerned if the gelatin contained pork because the user was a self-identified Muslim.

            .
            Company president Matt Schaeffer said in a phone interview that he responded around 7 a.m., “We don’t deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Pakistan.”

            The comment incited an immediate reaction from the original questioner, who is identified in a screenshot as being located near Sheridan, Wyo. Other Facebook users inundated the Wilcoxson’s page with their reactions as well, leading Schaeffer to shut down the page. Angry Internet users have resorted to posting their outrage to the forum site Reddit and the company’s Yelp page.

            Schaeffer said his response was not racist. He was “overwhelmed with work,” had a break and went on the company’s Facebook page to respond to questions. The user had an icon next to the name that said “Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. Responding quickly, he said he jotted his response down.

            “I thought he was making this comment from Pakistan,” Schaeffer said. “It wasn’t a racist comment… It was just an honest mistake.”

            From there, the comment took on a life of its own, he said. People posted such nasty things on the Wilcoxson’s page that he deleted it and said, “It’s no longer going to be in existence.”

            “I apologize if he took it wrong, that’s not what I meant by it. I guess I didn’t read the whole thing,” Schaeffer said. But the reaction to the answer “was bad. There were cuss words. It was just bad, so I just took (the Facebook page) down.”

            Five comments calling Wilcoxson’s a racist company and calling for a boycott have been posted to its Yelp page as of 11 a.m. The Reddit thread has hundreds of posts.

            Schaeffer said in a phone interview that all flavors of Wilcoxson’s ice cream contain kosher gelatin.

            Jason Bacaj may be reached at jasonb@dailychronicle.com or 582-2635.
            .Correction
            This story was changed on Sept. 26, 2012, to clarify that the person asking a question of Wilcoxson's Ice Cream on Facebook had an account specifying his location as being in Wyoming. Also, the last paragraph was changed to correct the fact that the company's president answered the Facebook user's question in a Chronicle interview, not on Facebook.

            http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/economy/article_ff552994-07fc-11e2-889a-001a4bcf887a.html?soc=ff552994-07fc-11e2-889a-001a4bcf887a

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:43 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            HTC: Because that's all you deserve and deserve desperately.
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            So, you believe insulting people somehow improves them. I want to improve you, and your wife. I want to improve the country. I want to improve Mitt Romney. I want to improve Republicans. I want to improve the Flathead. Can you give me lessons instead of examples?

             
          • kohana posted at 6:29 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            BurtonRobson posted at 6:02 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012

            Don't think you need to worry too much about us here in MT. These liberal folks will see after the debates what a piece of t u r d the empty suit, in the empty chair is. We have a nice little Tea Party group as well, they don't make a lot of noise, but they are here. Waiting.....

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:24 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            JB: "Right or Wrong............what you have to look at carefully is WHO has the "power" to enact such sweeping measures.................!!!!"

            Ummmm, yet another Ivy League graduate who was elected President? I am sure Congress has a say, although they are so confused and full of partisan bickering for their 15 second sound bite on the evening news/political ad, that the Executive Branch seems to keep gaining power, by default. I guess one can thank LBJ for starting the ball rolling in that direction?

             
          • BurtonRobson posted at 6:02 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            BurtonRobson Posts: 3

            What is going in MT?? 47% will vote for Obama' You people have to get out more!!!!

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:39 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 4:23 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.
            Rob123 Posts: 4847

            JBSTONE posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            Didn't we discuss the nature of these Executive Orders, and their history over many, many administrations? It's a planning technique 'Just in Case'.......Think of all the Fire Drills you had in reform school....same thing here.

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

            Right or Wrong............what you have to look at carefully is WHO has the "power" to enact such sweeping measures.................!!!!

             
          • kohana posted at 4:52 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/09/montana-president-of-ice-cream-company-faces-resignation-for-mistakenly-offending-muslim.html

            Montana: President of ice cream company faces resignation for mistakenly offending Muslim

            This shows that Leftists and Islamic supremacists will destroy anyone and everyone based on perceived slights to Muslims. Matt Schaeffer is guilty of nothing but mistakenly thinking someone who was writing to him was in Pakistan, since a Pakistani map showed up with the message. But for this, he must resign and his company is in danger: it's "racism," doncha know. Muslims clearly experience no actual racism (what race is Islam again?), and so have to trump up and magnify efforts like this.

            If you're near Livingston, Montana, buy Wilcoxson's Ice Cream and be sure that you express your support for Matt Schaeffer and the freedom of speech in the face of this politically correct intimidation.

            "Facebook trouble for a Montana company," by Jan Falstad for the Billings Gazette, September 28 (thanks to Maxwell):

            The president of Livingston-based Wilcoxson’s Ice Cream, which runs a plant in Billings, offered to resign Friday following social-media fury over a one-sentence Facebook response.
            Although he insists he meant nothing derogatory, Wilcoxson’s president Matt Schaeffer, of Livingston, offered to step down to save the company from fallout over his response to a Muslim customer who asked if the company used any gelatin containing pork in its ice cream.

            The meltdown started the evening of Sept. 21 when a man in Sheridan, Wyo., posted a Facebook comment about Wilcoxson’s “cookies and cream” flavor ice cream containing gelatin.
            “Does it contain pork? I am a Muslim and love your ice cream and when I read it today I was shocked. I look forward to you writing me back. Thank you. If possible, if it does have pork gelatin please tell me what flavors do so I can avoid them thanks again :)”

            Schaeffer said he was tired that night, was responding to a series of posts and only read to the “pork” part of the sentence before clicking on the writer’s Facebook page where he saw a map of Pakistan and quickly wrote this response:

            “We don’t deliver outside of Montana, certainly not Pakistan.”

            Schaeffer said he didn’t see the address of Sheridan, Wyo., because he didn’t read that far.
            “There was a map on his Facebook page with a map of Pakistan, with a balloon in the center. I presumed he was sending this from Pakistan,” Schaeffer said.

            The commenter took offense and wrote:
            “What are u talking about!!??? I think.ur comment is rude to assume I live in Pakistan.”
            The man said “just because of your ignorance, I wont buy your ice cream and definitely wont recommend it.”

            Alisa Prigge, of Denver, who said she and her husband are friends of the Wyoming man who asked about the gelatin, sent a letter on Sept. 26 to Wilcoxson’s calling for a boycott to “stand up to racism, ignorance and intolerance” and sent copies to Montana reporters. She said that her friend is an American citizen who was born in this country.

            Prigge said she hadn’t talked to Schaeffer to hear his version of the story before she sent the email.

            This was an honest mistake, Schaeffer said, adding he apologized to the man on Wednesday and again Friday during an interview with Sheridanmedia.com

            “It was wrong. I screwed up,” he said, calling himself a social-media beginner who has only used Facebook for four months. Schaeffer actually took over the Wilcoxson’s Facebook page from a fan who created it after the fan said it became too much work.

            Wilcoxson’s is a company that has a history of shying away from media attention.
            Schaeffer refused to grant interviews and tours of the ice cream plant until this year when Wilcoxson’s celebrated its 100th anniversary.

            “This company has lived through how many wars and economically diverse situations? It’s tremendous. One hundred years in Montana selling ice cream? That’s incredible,” Schaeffer told The Gazette on Friday.

            The company does not deliver ice cream outside of Montana, he said, but will ship some for special occasions.

            “It can cost $175 dollars to send a $3 bucket of ice cream, with the dry ice, the packer and Fed Ex,” he said.

            The story quickly went viral.
            The initial coverage Wednesday by the Bozeman Chronicle called Schaeffer’s comment “inflammatory” in its headline and lead sentence.

            With every retelling, the story picked up some errors and omissions.
            On Friday, a story on NBC News, where Schaeffer offered to resign, identified him as chief executive officer, instead of president.

            The Huffington Post also called Schaeffer the CEO in its headline and story.
            It also issued a correction for saying that Wilcoxson’s headquarters were in Billings, instead of Livingston. Schaeffer said he did not talk to the Huffington Post.

            The Daily Mail’s online site in the United Kingdom published a Thursday story saying none of the angry comments seem to be coming from Montana.

            But The Mail said hostile commentators were flooding Yelp, a business review Website, and including one that said, “Wilcoxson’s is a horrible company run by hateful people.”
            Schaeffer had never visited that site either.

            The derogatory telephone calls have been coming from out of state, Schaeffer said.
            “In-state calls, including from Sheridan, have been very positive and supportive,” he said.
            After negative comments started pouring in on Wednesday, Schaeffer took the company’s Facebook page down.

            “The page will be put back up soon. It will be run by somebody other than myself, who is more adept at it,” he said.

            Posted by Robert on September 30, 2012 1:41 PM | 11 Comments

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:28 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            http://www.cnbc.com/id/49230666
            "Wall Street Prepares Clients for Obama Victory"

            "As President Barack Obama widened his lead over Mitt Romney in polls this month, traders at hedge funds and investment firms began shooting emails to clients with a similar theme: It's time to start preparing for an Obama victory."

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:23 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            JBSTONE posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

            Didn't we discuss the nature of these Executive Orders, and their history over many, many administrations? It's a planning technique 'Just in Case'.......Think of all the Fire Drills you had in reform school....same thing here.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:15 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            The Democrats have such confidence in their guy, they're already try to reset expectations in their base by predicting a Romney win in the first debate:

            http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2012/09/29/dnc-predicts-romney-debate-win-battle-lowered-expectations

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:58 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Mainstream media is threatening our country's future
            By Patrick Caddell
            September 29, 2012

            Editor's note: The following text is from a speech delivered by Democratic pollster Patrick Caddell on September 21. He served as pollster for President Jimmy Carter, Gary Hart, Joe Biden and others. His speech was delivered at Accuracy in Media's Conference: Obamanation: A Day of Truth. The title of the speech was “The Audacity of Corruption.” For more on Accuracy in Media, click here.

            I think we’re at the most dangerous time in our political history in terms of the balance of power in the role that the media plays in whether or not we maintain a free democracy or not. You know, when I first started in politics – and for a long time before that – everyone on both sides, Democrats and Republicans, despised the press commonly, because they were SOBs to everybody. Which is exactly what they should be. They were unrelenting. Whatever the biases were, they were essentially equal-opportunity people.

            That changed in 1980.

            There are a lot of reasons for it. It changed—an important point in the Dukakis-Bush election, when the press literally was trying to get Dukakis elected by ignoring what was happening in Massachusetts, with a candidate who was running on the platform of “He will do for America what he did for Massachusetts”—while they were on the verge of bankruptcy.

            Also the change from evening news emphasis to morning news by the networks is another factor that’s been pointed out to me.

            Most recently, what I call the nepotism that exists, where people get jobs—they’re married to people who are in the administration, or in politics, whatever.

            But the overwhelming bias has become very real and very dangerous. We have a First Amendment for one reason. We have a First Amendment not because the Founding Fathers liked the press—they hated the press—but they believed, as [Thomas] Jefferson said, that in order to have a free country, in order to be a free people, we needed a free press. That was the job—so there was an implicit bargain in the First Amendment, the press being the only institution, at that time, which was in our process of which there was no checks and balances.

            We designed a constitutional system with many checks and balances. The one that had no checks and balances was the press, and that was done under an implicit understanding that, somehow, the press would protect the people from the government and the power by telling—somehow allowing—people to have the truth. That is being abrogated as we speak, and has been for some time. It is now creating the danger that I spoke to.

            This morning, just this morning, Gallup released their latest poll on the trust, how much trust [the American people have in the press] —when it comes to reporting the news accurately, fairly, and fully, and [the level of their distrust] it’s the highest in history. For the first time, 60% of the people said they had “Not very much” or “None at all.” Of course there was a partisan break: There were 40% who believed it did, Democrats, 58% believed that it was fair and accurate, Republicans were 26%, independents were 31%.

            So there is this contempt for the media – or this belief—and there are many other polls that show it as well.

            I want to just use a few examples, because I think we crossed the line the last few weeks that is terrifying.

            A few weeks ago I wrote a piece which was called “The Audacity of Cronyism” in Breitbart, and my talk today is “The Audacity of Corruption.” What I pointed out was, that it was appalling that Valerie Jarrett had a Secret Service detail. A staff member in the White House who is a senior aide and has a full Secret Service detail, even while on vacation, and nobody in the press had asked why. That has become more poignant, as I said, last week, when we discovered that we had an American ambassador, on the anniversary of 9/11, who was without adequate security—while she still has a Secret Service detail assigned to her full-time, at a massive cost, and no one in the media has gone to ask why.

            The same thing: I raised the question of David Plouffe. David Plouffe, who is the White House’s Senior Adviser—and was Obama’s campaign manager last time, he and [David] Axelrod sort of switched out, Axelrod going back to Chicago for the campaign—and just after it was announced that he was coming, an Iranian front group in Nigeria gave him $100,000 to give two speeches in Nigeria.

            Now, let me tell you: There’s nobody that hands—no stranger gives you $100,000 and doesn’t expect something in return, unless you live in a world that I don’t. And no one has raised this in the mainstream media.

            He was on with George Stephanopoulos, on ABC, a couple of weeks ago, and they were going through all these questions. No one asked him whatsoever about that. He was not inquired. George Stephanopoulos, a former advisor to Bill Clinton—who every morning, while Rahm Emmanuel was Chief of Staff, had his call with Rahm Emmanuel and James Carville, and the three of them have been doing it for years—and he is held out as a journalist. He has two platforms. I mean, he’s a political hack masquerading as a journalist. But when you don’t ask the questions you need to ask of someone like David Plouffe, who’s going in the White House—when we’re talking about Iran.

            I just finished surveys, some of you may have seen, with John McLaughlin this week, with Secure America Now, and found out just how strongly Americans are concerned with Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, what’s happening in the Middle East, and cuts in defense spending.

            This is not the place for that, but it strikes me as the American people identify, in the polling we’ve done over the last year, Iran as the single greatest danger to the United States. And here’s a man who’s being paid by an already named front group for that—for a terrorist regime, and is not asked about it, or queried about it!

            The third thing I would say is that—then there’s of course [National Security Advisor] Tom Donilon, who I know very well from years back, who I caused a little bit of a stir over a few months ago when I said he was the “leaker-in-chief.”

            I mean this ridiculous running around—“How did these secrets get out?”—when it is clear he has no credentials for foreign policy; who has been in the White House; who was a political operative for Walter Mondale, Jimmy Carter, and others; who was known to have, in my opinion, to be just the most amoral person I know in politics; and who is using and orchestrating national security. In Mr. [David] Sanger’s book [Confront and Conceal: Obama’s Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power], as a reviewer at [The New York Times] said, “The hero of this book, and the clear source of it, is Tom Donilon”—but let me just make a point. Neither does—and I would say this to the Congressman—“You know, all the Republicans have to do”—you know, I talk often about the “Corrupt Party” and the “Stupid Party,” but the Stupid Party couldn’t be stupider when it comes to things like this. They could have called Tom Donilon and other people down to the Congress, put them under oath, and asked them if they had leaked.

            Instead you have Eric Holder, who runs the most political Justice Department since John Mitchell—only in John Mitchell’s administration did we have Justice Departments that were so politicized and so corrupted by politics—and he appoints someone who gave two people to do a study on the leaks, sometime in the next century will come out, and one of them is a, was a contributor to Barack Obama when he was a state Senator. That’s a really unbiased source! And the press, of course, won’t look into this.

            It will not ask the question. But the Republicans could have called them down. Yes, the president could have extended Executive Privilege, but let him say “I will not answer that question, sir” on the question of “Did you leak these secrets that Dianne Feinstein, the Chairman, the Democratic Chairman, of the Senate Intelligence Committee said were endangering national security and American lives?” As she said when she read Sanger’s book, “My God, every page I turn I learn something that I don’t know!” I mean, these are serious matters but in Washington they’re playful, and the press does not pursue any of them.

            Peter Schweizer has done a study talking about corruption. Sixty percent or 80%—it’s closer to 80% I think, now—of the money given under the stimulus to green energy projects—the president and this administration’s great project—has gone to people who are either bundlers or major contributors to Barack Obama.

            But nobody says a word.

            Of course Republicans don’t raise it because in Washington, they simply want to do it when they get back in power. And, of course, the press doesn’t because they basically have taken themselves out of doing their job.

            When we see what happened this week in Libya—and when I said I was more frightened than I’ve ever been, this is true, because I think it’s one thing that, as they did in 2008, when the mainstream press, the mainstream media and all the press, jumped on the Obama bandwagon and made it a moral commitment on their part to help him get elected in a way that has never happened, whatever the biases in the past.

            To give you an example of the difference, I’ll just shortly tell you this: In 1980, when [Jimmy] Carter was running for reelection, the press—even though 80% of them, after the election, reporters said they voted for Carter over [Ronald] Reagan, or 70% percent of them, a very high percentage—they believed, so much, that the Carter campaign and the Carter White House had abused the Rose Garden against [Ted] Kennedy that they made a commitment, as they discussed, that they would not serve as the attack dogs on Reagan for the Carter White House because they thought it was unfair and they weren’t to be manipulated.

            I totally disagree with their analysis, but that was when you actually had a press corps. Whatever their own personal feelings, they made judgments that were, “We’re not going to be manipulated.”

            This press corps serves at the pleasure of this White House and president, led by people like Ezra Klein and JournoList, where they plot the stories together. The problem here is that no one will name names.

            But I want to talk about this Libyan thing, because we crossed some lines here. It’s not about politics. First of all we’ve had nine day of lies over what happened because they can’t dare say it’s a terrorist attack, and the press won’t push this. Yesterday there was not a single piece in The New York Times over the question of Libya.

            Twenty American embassies, yesterday, were under attack. None of that is on the national news. None of it is being pressed in the papers.

            If a president of either party—I don’t care whether it was Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton or George Bush or Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush—had a terrorist incident, and got on an airplane after saying something, and flown off to a fundraiser in Las Vegas, they would have been crucified! It would have been—it should have been the equivalent, for Barack Obama, of George Bush’s “flying over Katrina” moment. But nothing was said at all, and nothing will be said.

            It is one thing to bias the news, or have a biased view. It is another thing to specifically decide that you will not tell the American people information they have a right to know, and I choose right now, openly, and this is—if I had more time I’d do all the names for it—but The New York Times, The Washington Post, or the most important papers that influence the networks, ABC, NBC, and, to a lesser extent—because CBS has actually been on this story, partly because the President of Libya appeared on [Bob Schieffer’s “Face the Nation”] and said, on Sunday, while [U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.] Susan Rice was out—the U.N. Ambassador has no portfolio on this matter—lying, said of the Secretary—you know why, notice the Secretary of State wasn’t out there doing this—was on national television, lying and promoting the White House line while the Libyan President, the very same moment, is saying “This is a premeditated attack.”

            Nobody has asked that question. This morning—take a look at The New York Times this morning, it’s a minor reference. Oh, now we’ve decided that it was a terrorist incident. But this is—that would have changed, that should change the politics.

            This is not without accomplices, because the incompetence of the [Mitt] Romney campaign, which I said a week ago is the—my God!—the worst campaign in my lifetime, and the Republican establishment in general’s inability to fight, has allowed these things to happen in part because they don’t do it. But I want to go through two other quick points.

            [Mohamed] Morsi and Egypt: The President of Egypt, we find out now, that his whole agenda has been getting the “Blind Sheikh” [Omar Abdel-Rahman], who’s responsible for the bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, out of jail. Prison. I’ve been told specifically, by a member of the intelligence community that the White House and State Department are negotiating that now.

            They have now come out and denied it, but [Morsi] comes out, that they ordered—he’s the head of the Muslim Brotherhood! The American people know what they think of the Muslim Brotherhood: They are against them eleven to one, all right? And he’s the president of the Muslim Brotherhood, giving $2 billion to United States.

            He tells them—we had advance warning because they had said they were gonna do this, attack our embassy. The president—after the incident, after 48 hours, Mr. Morsi does nothing and says nothing—picks up the phone, calls him, and demands that they call it off.

            On Friday—last Friday, a week ago today—there was supposed to be a big demonstration. We thought that would be the big day—no, it disappeared, because Morsi called it off. But no press person has investigated this, just as no press person will go and ask the most obvious questions, when there are really good stories here, good media stories, and good news stories. They are in the tank and this is a frightening thing.

            Another example has been the polling, which everyone wants to talk to me about. Look: There is no doubt that Romney is blowing an election he could not lose, and has done everything he can to lose it.

            But the bias, the polling, it’s very complicated. Some of it is error, some of it is miscalculation, but some of it is deliberate, in my opinion—to pump up the numbers using the 2008 base to give a sense of momentum to the Obama campaign.

            When I have polls that have the preference of Democrats over Republicans higher than it was in 2008, which was a peak Democratic year, I know I am dealing with a poll that shouldn’t be reported. And yet they are being done, and they are being done with that knowledge and with that basis for some people, and the answer, as I said, some of it is incompetence, some of it is they just don’t know, really know, how to handle it, and some of it is on purpose, and it’s purposeful.

            But all of it is just to serve a basic point, just as JournoList was—Mr. Klein’s JournoList—but as I said there is no pushback.

            We have a political campaign where, to put the best metaphor I can on it, where the referees on the field are sacking the quarterback of one team, tripping up their runners, throwing their bodies in front of blockers, and nobody says anything. The Republicans don’t.

            The reason you will lose this battle is for one reason. Despite organizations like Accuracy In Media and others who are pointing this out, and the fact that 60% of the American people are in on the secret here—I mean, they’re no idiots—Republicans and those candidates who are not the candidates of the press refuse to call them out.

            If I were the Romney campaign I would’ve been doing this for months! I’d have been looking at individual reporters! I would be telling the American people, “They’re not trying to stop me; they’re trying to stop you! And they are here to do this!” And I would have made the press themselves an issue because, until you do, what happens is, they are given the basic concession of authenticity and accuracy, or that they are credible, by not doing that.

            Now too many reporters, too many political people in the Republican Party in this town, want to maintain their relationships with the press. This is how Sarah Palin got handed over to Katie Couric and to ABC before she was ready—because Steve Schmidt and others want to preserve their view, their relationships with the press.

            You know, people have their own agendas, and often it’s not winning. But this not-pushing-back is a problem, and they don’t do it. And, you know what this is a different era: The old argument of “You don’t attack someone in the press”—or “You don’t get in a pissing match with someone who buys ink by the barrel”—doesn’t apply anymore. There are too many outlets, too many ways to do it, and the country doesn’t have the confidence in the press that they once had.

            But all I want to conclude to this is that we face a fundamental danger here. The fundamental danger is this: I talked about the defense of the First Amendment. The press’s job is to stand in the ramparts and protect the liberty and freedom of all of us from a government and from organized governmental power. When they desert those ramparts and decide that they will now become active participants, that their job is not simply to tell you who you may vote for, and who you may not, but, worse—and this is the danger of the last two weeks—what truth that you may know, as an American, and what truth you are not allowed to know, they have, then, made themselves a fundamental threat to the democracy, and, in my opinion, made themselves the enemy of the American people.

            And it is a threat to the very future of this country if we allow this stuff to go on. We have crossed a whole new and frightening slide on the slippery slope this last two weeks, and it needs to be talked about.

            Delivered by Patrick Caddell on September 21 at Accuracy in Media's Conference --Obamanation: A Day of Truth.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:55 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Bronco: Why are you insulting me already?

            HTC: Because that's all you deserve and deserve desperately.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:36 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sekLEG8xsOs&feature=share

            [smile]

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 3:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            For all you Obama Lovers out there:

            •Executive Order 10990 allows the Government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
            •Executive Order 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
            •Executive Order 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels, and minerals.
            •Executive Order 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
            •Executive Order 11001 allows the government to take over all health education and welfare functions.
            •Executive Order 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
            •Executive Order 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
            •Executive Order 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate and establish new locations for populations.
            •Executive Order 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways, and public storage facilities.
            •Executive Order 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issues over a fifteen-year period.
            •Executive Order 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
            •Executive Order 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute Industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
            •Executive Order 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit, and the flow of money in U.S. financial institutions in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when the president declares a state of emergency, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:19 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:16 pm
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            Why are you insulting me already?
            And YSAA.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:09 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012

            Ah, Moody Analytics, home to their chief economist Mark Zandi, the most frequently wrong but still often quoted 'expert' on all matters political or economic.

            This is the guy who said back in July 2007: "It's premature to say the economy is reviving in a consistent way, but I think it is fair to say the economy isn't going to weaken any further."

            Well, we know how THAT turned out.

            As another economist famously said about Mr. Zandi: "His record is even worse than that of Charlie Sheen in rehab."

            A few more Zandi-isms:

            He predicted that Obama's policies would produce a net of nearly 2 million more jobs. If the BLS' latest data holds, Obama will finish his first term just barely above ZERO on that score.

            He absolutely loved and praised HARP, Obama's home refinancing program which promoted the very home financing insanity which produced the housing bubble, yet he somehow sees it as the WAY OUT of the problem?

            A year ago he authored a report which claimed that "...the single most effective form of stimulus... are increased outlays for food stamps."

            Zandi is just another discredited Keynesian fool who is, however, more than willing to stand up and voice his support for politicians who suffer from the same insanity. He's just another charlatan from the left like Paul Krugman.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            http://www.economy.com/dismal/article_free.asp?cid=234402

            "Weak job reports this past summer appear to have had little effect on the presidential race. The Moody's Analytics presidential election model still forecasts a November win by President Obama."

            "The model already expected relatively weak economic growth through the third quarter of 2012, so the government's August employment report, which showed a net gain of 96,000 payroll jobs, did not change the projected Electoral College totals. Based on current state-by-state economic data, President Obama should receive 303 votes, comfortably above the 270 needed for victory."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:16 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Bronco: Bronco posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012

            OK, so now we've established that you get your 'news' from comedians, your political alerts from actors who play comic book characters and voice-over kids' nursery rhymes, AND you get your 'history' from old, comedic movies.

            And you wonder why we find you so comical and unimpressive.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:22 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            SorrySOB: Ahhh. The sweet smell of conservative desperation.

            HTC: It would seem to be your guy Obama who is desperate, now attempting to coerce DoD contractors into NOT giving the federally-mandated 60 day layoff notice to their workers who might have to be let go because of the forced DoD cuts under sequestration which he's done nothing about, preferring golf to actual leadership.

            He knows he can't afford more bad news on his watch and JUST before the election.

            He couldn't convince them otherwise with illegal and unconstitutional promises to not prosecute them for violating that law and to indemnify them with taxpayer monies if they were sued by the unions and workers themselves, so now he's trying a more strongarm approach.

            The rule of law and Constitution are mere inconveniences to your guy and you lap it up like dog chow, you're such a good little lap dog.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:09 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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            Rob123: Interesting research, and it's implied conspiracy. If I applied your techniques to my own life situation, I reckon that using the GI Bill for my final 3 years of Private Catholic college, after a tour through Vietnam, would make me possibly a Papal Product with a strong DoD tie in? The possibilities are endless, if one is good with words.

            HTC: Of course, any successful conspiracy depends upon secrecy and, failing that, convincing those who discover some of its footprints, that only a "conspiracy nut" would believe there's anything to it.

            Perhaps the good nuns who instructed you in your youth were a bit more generous in their granting of liberties to their students during the "idle" summer months than were mine, who prescribed such summer reading as "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. I owe those nuns a debt of gratitude for being 'forced' to tackle that 1250-page beast of a book.

            Shirer began to reside in Berlin in 1934, sent there by the Hearst newspaper empire. It was then that he began to chronicle the rise of the Third Reich under Adolf Hitler. He was not at all impressed with Adolf, referring to him quite disdainfully as a "vagabond" and a "tramp." His book attempts to answer how one of THE most civilized, highly educated European societies allowed itself to be transformed into the instrument of the worst destruction man has visited upon man.

            His book attempts to answer the question: "How could a nation allow itself to be so transformed in purpose and direction by an unremarkable tramp with no prior achievements of any significance?" ("Unremarkable" certainly describes quite well the big Zero currently in the White House.) He documents a man with almost demonic, spellbinding charisma, but little else to recommend him. (That should also sound familiar.)

            The author documents well the "cult of personality" which was built up around Hitler, again much like we've seen and continue to see with Obama: A logo for the party, it's own flag, youth outreach, celebrity endorsements and, of course, promises of a glorious transformation to a new era of greatness and prosperity for everyone.

            Shirer sought to further explain why what happened in Germany could happen anywhere, and why the west missed the rise of that great evil, dismissing it for far too long as a passing fad with little chance of actually being embraced by the German public. They counted on the well-educated German public and the press to see right through the Nazi agenda, but how wrong they were; instead, Hitler actually managed to secure the support of much of the German press and even many leading intellectuals. Hitlers opponents soon found themselves running against not only Nazi candidates but also against much of the "mainstream" media and academia (This, too, should seem VERY familiar, as I'm sure it is for Romney and Ryan.)

            Many weak analyses of the rise of Nazism are Hitler-centric in their focus and are simplistic and wrong. Others have attempted to blame its success on German culture. Shirer points out that it was a shared "intellectual tradition" (perhaps "delusion" is more accurate), that Hitler preyed upon to his advantage. This is where influences on Hitler during his youth are very informative, as they should be with Obama as well.

            As a young man, Hitler was mesmerized by one of his teachers at Linz: Leopold Poetsch, an acolyte of the Pan-German League. Young Adolf Hitler often spoke of his “dazzling eloquence,” which “carr[ied] us away with him,” as he describes Poetsch’s effect in Mein Kampf.

            Researchers credit Poetsch, a miserable schoolteacher, as the person who mostly likely foisted Fichte on Hitler and helped shape his concepts of national socialism.

            Also discussed is Hitler’s notion of his own divine destiny, forbidding even tactical retreats on the field of battle. “This mania for ordering distant troops to stand fast no matter what their peril,” Shirer writes, “...was to lead to Stalingrad and other disasters and to help seal Hitler’s fate.”

            This trait would also seem to be one shared with Mr. Obama, who has bought into the notions of his near "messianic" status and who has refused to change course regardless of outcomes and the advice of saner, more experienced men. While he now tries to run on Clinton's record because he must hide from his own, he never once sought Clinton's advice on economic matters.

            Shirer's work teaches us one other important fact which should serve as a warning as well; that is, that the Third Reich ultimately depended upon blind faith in der Fuhrer, faith which was separated from any hard, objective analysis of strategies and results. Doesn't that sound like our neighbors we call "progressives" who seem completely incapable of looking at the weaknesses and failures of their fearless leader?

            There is also a corollary that shouldn't need to be spelled out but which I feel is necessary to mention: There is great danger in giving up our sense of selfhood and individuality for the "family" of a populist mass movement.

            Herd instinct/mob mentality has never proven to be a good thing.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:55 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.