Everyone knows that the administration doesn't like being criticized. No administration does.
But the problem may be even more serious than anyone guessed. The opposition movement faces a significant challenge to its very existence. Whether you call it the tea-party movement, the anti-socialism movement, the anti-communism movement, or anything else, the fact is there are plenty of people in power who want it shut down, and that includes both Republicans and Democrats.
Face it, those are the parties of entrenched government power, and any power that returns to the people must of necessity reduce the power of those who wield it currently. So men and women on both sides of the political aisle have ranted about the growing power of the "radical" element on the right, never admitting that what they are really worried about is losing their own grip on power. But steps are being taken, and have been under way for quite some time, to shut down opponents of the liberal movement in America.
Indeed, one well-known political theorist has written a memorandum to the attorney general in which he encourages the administration to focus its attention on "policies and programs to combat the radical right."
That's not entirely unexpected.
The author of this memo notes that "the radical right or extreme right-wing, or however it may be designated, includes an unknown number of millions of Americans" and asserts that "these radical right groups are probably stronger and are certainly better organized than at any time in recent history." More importantly, "they are growing in strength and there is no reason to expect a turning of the tide in this regard."
The author of the memo acknowledges that some pundits believe the radical right is a "Republican problem" because it drains strength from mainstream Republican candidates:
"The growing strength of the radical right may indeed be an inconvenience to the Republican Party, but it is far worse than that for the Nation and the Democratic Party - for it threatens the President's programs at home and abroad. By the use of the twin propaganda weapons of fear and slander, the radical right moves the national political spectrum away from the Administration's proposed liberal programs at home and abroad."
So just who are these groups and individuals who comprise the "radical right"? Of course it could be the usual right-wing suspects such as the John Birch Society or the Minutemen. Or who knows? It might be you and me. The memo says that "All of these radical right organizations have the same general line: The danger to America is domestic Communism."
Well, come to think of it, I have said publicly that I consider communism to be a threat to our way of life, and that I see signs of creeping communism (and galloping socialism) everywhere in our federal government. So I guess I AM covered by the memo. The next part of the memo also sounds familiar from some of the criticism leveled against me by the occasional reader:
"They [the radical right] traffic in fear. Treason in high places is their slogan and slander is their weapon. They undermine loyal American confidence in each other and in their government.... Americans feel they are 'losing' for the first time in history. Since Americans intuitively tend not to believe they ever lose fairly, the radical right's charges that we are 'losing' ... because of treason in high places falls on fertile soil."
In other words, don't say anything bad about the president, or try to educate the public about the dangers of his policies, because that is "fear-mongering." You could well find yourself on an "enemies list" the way that Glenn Beck and Fox News have found themselves on the "enemies list" of the Obama White House.
But this is not a column about President Obama; it is a column about how the "radical right" is perceived as a danger to the United States because of its dedicated opposition to socialism and communism.
I guess we all have to ask ourselves if we support socialism or not. If you do, then, by God, get out there and fight for it. And please realize that what you will get is definitely a fight. Because there are, as the memo said, millions of us who will not surrender easily to a way of life that threatens our cherished freedoms, our Bill of Rights, and our very liberty.
And if you oppose socialism, as I do, then don't just remain on the sidelines while your government swings closer to Karl Marx and further away from Thomas Jefferson.
Don't let the author of that memo get his way. He encouraged the attorney general that, "What are needed are deliberate Administration policies and programs to contain the radical right from further expansion and in the long run to reduce it to its historic role of the impotent lunatic fringe."
In fact, it is safe to assume that if the left wing has made a concerted effort to reduce someone of Sarah Palin's stature to the "impotent lunatic fringe" simply because she is a passionate advocate of conservative principles, they will try to do the same to you.
But this is nothing new. Indeed, as the memo's author noted, "the struggle against the radical right is a long-term affair." So long, in fact, that it has stretched 48 years since the memo was written in December 1961.
That's right. The so-called "Reuther Memorandum" was written by Victor Reuther at the request of Attorney General Robert Kennedy in the first year of President Kennedy's administration. If it seems strangely familiar, that is because the battle under way today for the heart and soul of America is not a new one.
Indeed, Reuther represents a link between today's stealth socialists and the more up-front ones of 100 years ago. Reuther was the brother of Walter Reuther, the powerful president of the United Auto Workers union. Their father was a supporter of Eugene V. Debs, the famous socialist who ran for president in 1904, 1908, 1912 and 1920.
Victor and Walter Reuther apparently shared their father's love of socialism, and they lived for a while in the Soviet Union, where they were apparently even too liberal for the communist regime. The brothers were expelled for leading a strike demanding safer working conditions at the automobile factory where they worked.
A letter that the Reuther brothers wrote to friends back home in 1934 from the Soviet Union later famously surfaced in testimony before Congress. Here is the letter's conclusion:
"We are witnessing and experiencing great things here in the U.S.S.R. ... We are daily watching Socialism being taken down from the books on the shelves and put into actual application. Who would not be inspired by such events? ... Carry on the fight for a Soviet America."
It almost reminds you of some of the members of the current administration such as Anita Dunn, who shared with graduating high school seniors last May that Chinese Communist dictator Mao Zedong is one of her "favorite political philosophers." Depends, I suppose, whether or not you like to get your political philosophy from homicidal despots.
And it also helps put into perspective the Obama Administration's push-back against Fox News for their role in "outing" the socialist allegiance of many in the White House.
As Reuther wrote prophetically in 1961, "The radical right cannot be wished away or ignored [and] its demise is not something that can be readily accomplished."
But with the right combination of "Administration programs and policies" and assistance from "the press, television, church, labor, civic, political and other groups," he insisted, the radical right can be reduced to "its historic role of the impotent lunatic fringe."
At least, that is what White Houses have been hoping for the past 50 years.
n Frank Miele is managing editor of the Daily Inter Lake and writes a weekly column. E-mail responses may be sent to edit@dailyinterlake.com
fun gal
Private insurance companies need some "healthy" competition!
Old Blue
I see the House passed it but I think the Senate has to vote on it to. I have not followed it close but it seems that everybody gets medical attention if they go in for it including the sick illegal aliens. So somebody is already paying there bill. The regulating the insurance companies, that is the real deal. My great granddaughter went in to the dentist for a chipped tooth. They told her if she was insured it would cost $843 and she would have to pay $389 of it. But she just got the insurance and she is ineligible for coverage for one year so she has to pay $1043 for the same repair. How come she has to pay insurance for a year before she is covered by the policy? Do you have to make 12 payments before you can drive your new car off the lot? Or pay 12 months rent before you can move in? Maybe its time to put those insurance companies in there place. They been lobbying against this bill with millions of our premium dollars. That's got to tell even the dumbest of us something. I don't know but I don't think the dark times are on us because of this health care bill. I think its because we been involved in two wars nobody can figure out how to win without killing more of the enemy.
curious
One last thing, the congress bill got the needed votes to pass their health bill. The United States of America is in for dark times.
curious
Oh its time to run away, to see you fight another day. You all have a good night and sweet dreams.
rtr
By the way Bronco can you please tell "curious" the exact amount of times you promiced you were leaving because you were mad at me and then came back, "I lost track" "Please help me out with that will you".
As for it being a nice comment section before I came along can you please explain to "curious" just how many people you ran off in order to make it your personal "Little robbie, Bronco, Bighorn, Benznd" Political Socialist / Marxist Platform building comment section.
Don't let him lie to you "curious" make him tell you..And don't even let him get away with saying we were not doing that.!!!!
But then again past columns with comments prove my point so is all you have to do is read them if he tries to lie to you.
rtr
Let see here.
The widow you say very well might not have been a widow number one and second she was here ONLY to profess Socialism and looking for governmental handouts just like you Bronco. "Socialist / Marxist Political Platform Building"
Why don't you come clean with "curious" and tell her the truth that you want governmental handouts of every kind especialy the Kenyan Death care. "Whats holding you back Bronco, Do you think you can fool her like you tried to fool Frank even though he was reading through your previous posts" "You got caught then and "curious" is very capible of reading past posts and does not seem stupid to me at all so you are caught now too"
The difference between you and me is that I am truthful and you are a decietful little liar and ashamed of yourself and you should be.
Bronco
curious, a short history: Everything was civil and peaceful until rls showed up then he changed names to rtr. Insults and name-calling are the mainstay of his arguments. rtr likes to taunt, to condescend, to make fun of, and he has no principles. He even called a widow a lazy thief and welfare fraud. rtr calls people liars over and over then says that he is not afraid to talk to people on the street the same way he talks behind his pseudonym here. And if you think the best man wins; sometimes the best man just walks away. Sometimes he stays to find, to fight for others with less courage and less conviction for what is acceptable and civil behavior. And sometimes the best man gets dirty...but he didn't show up dirty.
rtr
Believe what you want; facts never disturbed you before.
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Bronco, I always deal in facts unlike you I am not a liar, Mr Revolving door.."I hear ya, No I'm leaving, No I am back to stay, Help me Frank he is being mean to me, Ok I will straighten up, No I can't help myself and I am leaving" does that sound fimilar..Stupid is as stupid does....You are a friut cake.
rtr
SorrySOB, Old Bull what ever.
And I'm not done yet fat little man.
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If you haven't noticed the only reason I respond to you is in order to amuse myself, If you hadn't everyone else has.
Now go find some other Catnip to roll in.
SorrySOB
And I'm not done yet fat little man.
Bronco
Believe what you want; facts never disturbed you before.
curious
Bronco, thank you. And nice to meet you. I appreciate the civility.
rtr, I don't know your history with these guys, sounds like some mud slinging has prevailed. Kind of amusing, like watching spagetti westerns. In the end, the good guys always win. Maybe a little shot up and limping. But win non the same.
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National Business, "Obama asks House to vote on health care bill" -it is stated that this bill cuts Medicare's projected spending by more than $400 billion over a decade. But it did not indicate that the amount we still pay per working individual would be reduced for reduced services. So on top of having to pay for the insurance, we will still be paying for medicare? And if you are over 62, with your new reduced coverage, will you now have to pay out of your distribution from the 401K retirement for health care or be penalized? My 401K at time of distribution will probably be taxed at the rate of 50%. I faired better in the stock market crash.
rtr
You know Bronco I may have insulted you by calling you Old Blue seeing as how the only one really stupid enough to make threats like Old Blue is SorrySOB.
Either way you both get the point and I am not the only one that has pointed it out.
rtr
Old Blue, First off you are nothing but a clone of an existing poster that is posting here today.
Second is your very first post here was instulting me so you lie, I am assuming you are Bronco's other half, Left leg or right leg is the question.
Third you were born laying down and have never been on your feet or standing.
rtr
Hey curious, Something to remember about Bronco is that he tells one lie right after the other, I have yet to see him post a truthful comment.
Second is he cries to Frank the Editor when ever his little feelings get hurt and then lies to him, Like Frank can't read the posts and see right through him which Frank points out every time..
Third is he has promised to leave this comment section so many times it is like a revolving door with him coming and going. "Quite laughable"
I would suggest a straight jacket for him but since he lives so far away he is not a problem or a threat here in the Flathead Valley.
I would suggest you forgive him however since it is obvious he has the little man syndrome going on.
Old Blue
I see the Coward is here mumbling something. I don’t speak stupidity so maybe somebody can interpret for me. And I never got no address from her either. And I’m glad to see somebody else sticking up for himself. A whiskey lover to.
My hat’s off to the lady here and I am sorry I got carried away and you had to hear that last night. It’s a poor excuse but like the Bronco I did not throw the first punch. We are both still standing too.
rtr
1. So you admit to being a moron.
That said, there is no need to explore this any farther.
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Anotherwords you are a liar and you are not standing, Thought so.
Bronco
1. So you admit to being a moron.
That said, there is no need to explore this any farther.
Bronco
curious, that was hilarious, sister, and the joke's on me. You can forget about 'pulling out' I guess. I am an above average male, which keeps me in the 'normal and typical' category as far as your gender is concerned and the testosterone has had its turn at the wheel from time to time, usually to my later regret. Since the cReaTuRe has driven off all the other ladies by insulting them I assumed, and wrongly so, that this was a 'members' only room. Please accept my bow and humble apology. I shall use more appropriate language in the future. Things do devolve in the absence of proper company. Thank you for being here.
rtr
Ashton Carter Weapons Czar Leftist.
Wants all private weapons in US destroyed. Supports UN ban on firearms ownership in America .
No Other policy.
rtr
Hey there curious, Maybe we will see you on trail some time with the ATV's....
curious
Bronco, Not near as rough and tough as you, as, I am a lady. Married, one child, professional most of my life, quasi retired. With that said, You might want to remember this audience is mixed, so even though you may be ornery and xxx, we will assume normal male and we probably don't need to keep it in the dialog. And procreation should be limited to the higher inteligence pool. Aside from that enjoy time with my husband, riding the ATV's, camping, hunting, fishing and the outdoors. We sure are blessed here in the Flathead Valley to have an abundance of opportunity. The part about putting us out at 40 was the alternative to population control as procreation will continue.
rtr
SorrySOB, Looks like You, Benznd and Bronco been hanging out at the foul mouth club together again.
But then again when you have three of the dullest knives in the drawer at the same time and same place like you three what can you expect.
SorrySOB
You don't have to keep sucking up to Pete there rtr. I'm sure if you ask him nicely he would be glad to let you give him that bj your have been dreaming about.
rtr
1. Any moron dumb enough to insult her (someone here has) will remain on my to-do list for a very, very long time.
2. I have never thrown the first punch but have finished standing every time.
3. I tolerate insults but not for too long.
4. I am intolerant of voluntary ignorance and hypocrisy.
5. If I am wrong I will admit it, and if needs be, apologize.
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Lets evaluate this.
1. I never insulted your wife, In fact a commended her for being able to out up with the likes of you.
2. You have thrown may a first punch and with name calling to the Max also I have never left you standing when you start that garbage.
3. I have noticed that when you went crying to Frank and he told you that you were more guilty of the insults than I was.
4. That's laughable
5. Really, Prove it and apoligize now for what you just posted.
rtr
Pete
The White House today admitted that President Barack Obama is not God. This startling admission was made amidst growing criticism of his handling of the H1N1 Flu Crisis. There was immediate reaction from many liberal organizations including MoveOn.Org who released a statement strongly condemming Gibbs as a heretic and asking for him to be waterboarded.
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My God Pete I just read your post from yesterday evening, I just can't believe my eyes, I could swear I have seen the Messiah walking on water myself, Or was that in my dreams, In either case it sure took the wind right out of my sails to hear this awful news.
I feel so disturbed I might have to burn my entire house down since I have used the posters of Obama I got from ACORN to wall paper my entire house.
I sure now how the people in North Dakota feel with howling, I may have to go out and howl at the moon tonight myself. "Come to think of it I am howling with laughter right now"
Bronco
curious, get a grip, man. We don't need to put people down when they reach 40. We need to pull out. Stop reproducing till we can reach a population we can govern and sustain. This cranking out one useless kid after another...if you don't have the necessary DNA to produce a contributor then stop f-----g.
Bronco
curious, I am conservative on some issues, liberal on others. I hunt and fish. I love to hike and camp. I prefer whiskey and I love my wife. Any moron dumb enough to insult her (someone here has) will remain on my to-do list for a very, very long time. I have never thrown the first punch but have finished standing every time. I tolerate insults but not for too long. I am intolerant of voluntary ignorance and hypocrisy. If I am wrong I will admit it, and if needs be, apologize.
This doesn't make me a conservative or liberal or progressive or a socialist. I am a man and I try to live up to that honor every waking moment. I am honest 99% of the time and I don't steal or cheat at cards. I eat too much and, if you can believe my wife, I drink too much too. I can tell stories with the best of them but am hard pressed to tell you if they are true or not.
To say I'm humble would be a lie. To say I'm ornery and horny would not.
Now, who in hades are you, brother?
rtr
Hey Benznd, You are getting a little over the top with your verbiage there don't you think.?
Is that what you meant by you liberals were having to give up to much yesterday.
Here I thought it was that your Socialist / Marxist Platform Building that is concidered unacceptable was what you were reffering to.
rtr
Bronco
curious, just wait and see. rtr reminds me of a coyote; sneaky, dirty, and mean.
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How can you say such a thing Bronco when you know I never lay in the grass and wait for an opportunity "Coyote", I never sneak up on you and pounce on you after letting you go off the deep end "Sneaky", I shower every day and how would you know if I was dirty or not "Dirty", The word mean is relative to what in your opinion "Mean"?
Just give it a month or two with both of us posting to Frank's Sunday column's and you wil eventually warm up to me once you get to know me..
curious
Bronco, are you conservative, liberal, progressive, or socialist? The opinion just stated appears to have a conservative appeal, but postings earlier appear to swing a little more right. Am I confused?
Bronco
curious, just wait and see. rtr reminds me of a coyote; sneaky, dirty, and mean. And my last post? That is really how I feel. I want to feel compassion but am tired of being taken advantage of. I want to be compassionate on my own terms.
benznd
Natres, You ever hear of a representative sample? Your neighborhood is NOT in that category. Your take on how these individuals were treated helps one to diagnose myopia. Your view of how blacks were treated in your community? Your view? How about
the views of those to whom we speak. Nonsense. I go back Natres because you spoke of good ole days. Go back and read your post. Pete, how can you ask someone to "lay out their thesis" when you continue to spew your Fixed News and Limp*&ick views when what we want is your personal views and if you are confident enough in who you are, why you might put all the pieces together so we may be able to see your bigger picture.
rtr
October 30th, 2009
Average Waiting Time For Surgery In Canada Down To 16 Weeks
AHN Staff
Ottawa, Ontario (AHN) - Two major reports on health care in Canada which came out Thursday showed an improvement in the wellness situation across the country.
"According to the Fraser Institute's yearly report on wait times, the average period before Canadians could undergo surgery and other therapeutic treatments has gone down to 16.1 weeks in 2009. It is down from 17.3 weeks average in 2008.
It is the second straight year that wait times showed an improvement after 15 years of no movement since the Fraser Institute started monitoring wait times.
The least waiting time between a doctor's referral and treatment was 12.5 weeks, registered in Ontario. Manitoba logged 14.3 weeks, Quebec 16.6 weeks, British Columbia 17 weeks, Alberta 19.6 weeks, Nova Scotia 23.1 weeks, Saskatchewan 25.2 weeks, New Brunswick 25.8 weeks, Prince Edward Islands 26.7 weeks, and Newfoundland and Labrador 27.3 weeks".
I see how this saves money now, Most people are dead by the time they get operated on.
curious
Bronco, well said. If this is really how you think, why would you have a problem with rtr. It looks like you would be on the same page. Are there two books?
Bronco
I do not want to share my hard earned income with anyone except who I choose to share it with. I want straight across the board 10% income tax and ALL wages to be taxed. That's 10% for the State and 10% for the Fed. I don't mind giving one in five if I am represented fairly. I want roads and parks and wilderness to hike and camp in. I want safety from foods, drugs, and the liquids I drink, bathe, fish and swim in. I want the air I breathe to be healthy for me. I want me and my family to be protected by those who mean us harm.
I want population control; without it we are doomed.
I want all religious fanatics rounded up and imprisoned on one island, all together, and let the best god win.
I want less government. I want private business to perform all government tasks so we get quality work and competitive prices.
Is this not my right as a tax paying, law abiding citizen to receive?
Oh, yeah. One more thing. I want rtr to quit insulting me when he agrees with me.
curious
Something does have to change. The government kind of reminds me of the Little Shop of Horrors. It was kinda cute when it was small, then when it got bigger, it was hungrier and needed more people to feed it. I guess when our GNP is comprised of service industry, the 7-11's that Bronco discussed, then we will all be reduced the average pay to the minimum $8.00. $12.00/hr will look good then. Those jobs that aren't appealing will become the norm. The CEO's will be thankful for $20,000/year. People will have to be put to sleep after 40, because that is all we will be able to support with the health care. Movies of the possible future could bear some reality. We could feed the people with people chips. But the government will make sure we are comfortable until it is our time to go.
rtr
Rebel, The problem is the government it self.
Global Warming is garbage and we all know it now and was an INVENTED lie just like health care lies from Obama to scare you.
If the government really wanted to help with health care which they do NOT want to do they would make it so Lawyers had caps on their law suits but to many democrats are lawyers so they will NEVER happen.
If they would make for compitition and let insurance companies cross state lines there would be NO problem with unaffordable health care BUT they don't want compititon or lower health costs because they want to STEAL your money and use it as they see fit and it is never used for your benifit.
Social Insecurity is a prime example with the government always STEALING from it and then telling us it is going broke.
We have all paid into Medicare and now Obama wants to take that away from us and put it into his Death Care Plan so he can control it and distribute it to people that have never paid a dime into it.
As for your fireman, We the people of our counties and state pay local taxes for that. Obama likes to make a big deal out of the pennies he gives them which does nothing for them at all so you have no point there at all.
Rebel Rouser
I didn't say the "new" system was going to be perfect and I don't want "slavery to the government" but something HAS to change. Our government has to be monitored and put into check at all times regardless of who is in the white
house. We already have a somewhat social government and that is due to the fact there are too many people. I don't want to be a socialist or a communist but we have to solve the problems we are confronted with using viable solutions. What is the best solution? Do we all have to survive alone or do we help our neighbor? If your house is on fire do you want the social b@stard firemen to come and help you put out that fire?
curious
Bronco, not a bad idea. Some of the values of the founding fathers were hard work and take care of your own. We can quit sending all our money to all the ungrateful foreign countries. We can bring home our soldiers. We can save enough money by not being so charitable to the global economy, we could fund the health care. And, If we could get our Washington representatives to dispose of all of their assets (put it into the charity pot), and live like the common folk, their idea of the charity for all would change. In a perfect world .....
rtr
Compassion = Socialism
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What a joke, Here is the reality of it..
Socialism = Slavery to the government
curious
rtr, is that like being a duck at the county fair? lol
"House holds rules debate on health-care legislation" This morning in the Washington Post
Well our congress has it down to paying for abortion to much for the health care. The deal breaker? Partisan decisions now saying if the Republicans can write a better plan, go for it. This will be pushed through because we (the progressives), have been pushing this for over 100 years. I would have thought government paying (I mean the working american people) would have been the deal maker. The statement "This bill is deserving of the greatness of our nation," said Rep. James Moran (D-Va.) in the Washington Post. He may be right. We are pushing all business beyond the ability to be profitable. The businesses are the entities that provide jobs. With no businesses, no jobs. This would demonstrate our "greatness" wouldn't it. Conservative have no control over the "take care of me mentality" the "poor me" syndrome that is prevalant. God be with us in this dark hour.
rtr
Rebel, What is it with you Socialists not being able to tell the truth.
Obamacare failed in Europe
By: Guillaume Vuillemey and Philip Stevens
OpEd Contributors
June 30, 2009 President Barack Obama's proposed "public insurance option" for universal health coverage seems logical: A large public insurance fund will provide quality coverage for the uninsured and force competing insurers to lower costs. In practice, though, one needs only look at what decades of government health care have done to ramp up the financial and quality problems endured by Britain and France.
The Obama plan is supposed to make health insurance more competitive. But heavy subsidies will give it a big advantage, pulling an estimated 118.5 million people from private insurers to the public system. This government-subsidized system will eventually dominate the market in a way that would overrule competition.
This is precisely what happened in Britain. The state provides most health care, via the National Health Service. Patients have almost no say over which physician, surgeon or hospital they can use, while professionals have to conform to government plans and targets.
After its birth in 1948, planners soon found that "free" health care multiplied demand. NHS founder Lord Beveridge predicted free health care would cut spending as health improved.
The opposite was true. Between 1949 and 1979, it tripled in real terms. The service now costs twice as much as it did 10 years ago, with productivity down 4.5 percent.
Rebel Rouser
Rawhide says: democratic stooges refuse to talk about tort reform? The lowly Frenchmen have one of the best health care programs in the world. The great Americans are barely in the middle. Tort reform is definitely a big part of health care reform (which is a must for America) but it is not the only thing that needs reformed. Insurance companies need to be controlled, insurance billing fraud has to be reeled in, pharmaceutical companies have to loose some of their profit mongering control, each individual American has to become responsible for their own health, and affordable access to medical treatment will take the freeloaders out of the system so we all pay for health care (not just the insured). I am a lefty and I want tort reform now!
Also, RIP rtr.
rtr
Bronco you forgot to mention that Montana would abound with money instead of the government keeping their cut no different than a casino taking their cut right off the top with nothing produced at all.
I guess you lied again but then with all the posts of yours that I have seen not so much as one of them has any truth in it.
Bronco
Ok. I am going to join the conservatives for awhile...if it's Ok with Rob and the other thinkers. My brain needs a rest so I'll just read headlines and let Fox tell me what to believe. Let's start:
The US government should do only what the founding fathers said it should 200 some years ago. Let the States govern themselves, that includes no help from the US as a whole. Montana will be bankrupt in a year with 62.5% of its operating budget coming from Federal funds suddenly absent. I live in Hawaii and that leaves us literally dead in the water.
Immigrants. Close the doors. Ship the illegals back to wherever they came from. We can pick our own fruit and clean our own bathrooms and there will be plenty of jobs at the hotels and 7/11's for our children since no self-respecting American does that sort of labor anymore. The unions will take over and the kids can make $12/hr selling junk food to crackheads and drunks at midnight. Be good for them to learn a strong work ethic.
Health care. No. If you are sick or injured or have some sort of disease, but no insurance...you stay sick, injured, or diseased until you get better or die. That goes for kids too. No free lunch; no free medicine period.
Security. No Federal funding anymore for security at schools, colleges, universities, airports, etc.
Roads. No Federal funding for roads. States will have to build and maintain their own.
National Parks/ Wilderness areas. Good bye Glacier National Park, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon, Big Hole National Battlefield, Nez Perce National Historic Park, Bighorn Canyon National Recreation Area, Little Bighorn Battlefield National Monument, Lewis and Clark National Historic Trail and Grant- Kohrs Ranch National Historic Site, see you later Bison Range. So long tourist trade, so long income for thousands of business and tens of thousands of Montana citizens.
Yes!!! We don't need the Federal government involved in States' business. We can make our own vaccines thank you very much. Let's tell the Kenyan to take a hike. WE can do it, Montana!
Man, I feel good already. Guns loaded, food stored up. Let the starving masses try and take what's mine away from me.
rtr
little robbie
Yet I bet you don't own any stock in companies that make season flu vacines, because there bottom line sucks.
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You just can't seem to keep your feet out of the p**p young laddy.
First off the Kenyan has caused all health care stocks to crash so why would anyone want to own them.
Second a doubt if you know where it is made since you never said the location.
Third is you have NO clue what you are talking about when you said they give it to their own people first since it is a private company contract with the US government and has nothing to do with "SWEEDEN" where it is made.
Would you like to try again young robbie?
Rob123
Bronco: "Rob, you really need to get out and find out this stuff on your own. The great thinkers in this room have lost all respect for you and your interpretation of 'facts.' Don't you know the President is out to kill us all?" Oh yeah, baby! It's creeps like us, who own multiple businesses and pay taxes and help out our neighbors and slip a C Note to someone in need without running down to our accountant to see if it will affect the bottom line tax liability......You know and I know WE'RE BAD! And, as Pete and Nat and their moron buddy with the Lead affected IQ. know, we're Socialists! Compassion =Socialism, in their constipated world of stupids supporting each others stupid little notion. I feel better....time for football.
rtr
Little robbie
Ya know Pete, if instead of reading the Big Bad headline (called the hook) and actually bought the paper and read the whole da*n article, your conspiracy constipation would decrease.
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Let see here.
Goldman Sachs has received 200 doses.
This is a free market bank and only recieved 200 doses in order to make ut look like it wasn't a conspiracy.
Morgan Stanley received 1,000 doses.
This is a free market bank and they gave their supply to the hospitals "Quite charitable I might add"
Citigroup has received 1,200 doses.
This bank is owned by the Socialist due to TARP money and they recieved as much vaccine as the combined private banks did and "No charity from them"
Yep I get it little robbie, Thanks for pointing that out.
rtr
Good Morning "curious", I too welcome you aboard.
Declaring you are a conservative right off the bat is like putting a target on your back but I hope you stick around..
I would say by your post that you understand that it will take the conservative side to free the American people from the grips of Tyranny that the current Socialist government is trying to put on the people with taxation without representation to enslave us with the "Well make the world a better place for you " mentality.
Rob123
p.s. And your the radical free market boys? Yet I bet you don't own any stock in companies that make season flu vacines, because there bottom line sucks if they make the dose a little off, like last year? This year they finally got it right, however, they tend to take care of people in their own country first. I am sure you understand that DEEP THOUGHT? et tu, nat? (Some latin for you, condescending Pete)
curious
Pete thank you, "hater" a little strong, Nowadays probably called "dissenter" which used to be the norm when people took responsibility for their action and worked to care for their own nation called family. Sense of humor still intact.
Rob123
Ya know Pete, if instead of reading the Big Bad headline (called the hook) and actually bought the paper and read the whole da*n article, your conspiracy constipation would decrease...."Scaperotti said 50 employers in New York City have received the vaccine so far. Besides Goldman Sachs and Citigroup, they include Time Inc. and hospitals such as Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center.
Goldman Sachs has received 200 doses, and Citigroup has received 1,200, health officials said.
In statements, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs said the vaccine would only go to those in high-risk groups.
"Goldman Sachs, like other responsible employers, has requested vaccine and will supply it only to employees who qualify," spokesman Ed Canaday said.
Morgan Stanley received 1,000 doses of the vaccine for its New York and suburban offices, but the company turned over its entire supply to local hospitals when it learned it received shipments before some area hospitals, spokeswoman Jeanmarie McFadden said.
Pete
Curious...welcome aboard...glad to have another voice of sanity. Just remember Franks admonition and watch your back. Your first post instantly qualifies you as a "hater" by a certain faction. Just keep a sense of humor about it all and you'll be fine.
Pete
rtr...didn't you see my post from last night? Gibbs declared him "human". It caused alot of consternation around the world.
rtr
Pete
Or does it simply reveal an embarrassing reality about an ideology you place your blind faith in?
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I beg to differ with you on this one, It is not blind faith for these Socialists since they can actually see their Messiah. “You know the poster child for ACORN”
curious
I am fairly new to the discussions, It certainly looks like we have a spred of political viewpoints. So hopefully you won't eat me alive right off as there are definately some sensitive people out here. I will let you know I am a conservative right off so there is no question to my allegiance. I believe in Constitutional Government. With that all said. I don't know if we will ever get back to the intentions of our founding fathers. The government is responsible to keeping order between the states, and not in the states. The government has the authority to tax to pay national debt, but it must be uniform and leveraged uniformly. It doesn't say share the wealth and have those with more pay for those with less to create an equal union. The government providing health care will cause $800 billion to go to the infrastructure, and 100 billion to go to the people. What kind of health care could that be? Sliding scale for this plan is proposed 3% of your earnings if you are poor, and greater that 11% if you make more than $1,000,000. And if you can't afford your 3%, because you have become part of the social system already in place, the government will help you. With unemployment reported at 10.2% and realistically 17%. How much money can they expect to get? If most of the money goes to the infrastructure, will you be able to even get your flu shot you can't get now? A slippery slope. A road to financial ruin and 60% taxation before they are done. A scary picture at best. Fifty percent of your life will be worked to support those that don't. The liberals/progressives will have won with their bleeding hearts.
rtr
By the way, Good Morning to all you HARD WORKING CONSERVATIVES out there.
Have a great weekend, You deserve it.
Pete
Bronco...."The great thinkers in this room have lost all respect for you..." Darn. Lol...you have to quit giving me such back-handed compliments....this from the man who thinks peppering every other post with a "Greek" quote somehow lends gravitas to his otherwise banal arguments. You've gone down the "haters" path so many times you can now find it in the dark, making it so common place in your posts that now I'm more surprised when it doesn't show up. And yet.....
the facts still remain. This government, that can't meet its own standards of production or distribution for a flu vaccine, is the same government you want to run the entire healthcare system. Read that again.....is there any hate in that question? Or does it simply reveal an embarrassing reality about an ideology you place your blind faith in? As Truman said, "I never gave anybody h*ll! I just told the truth and they thought it was h*ll.".....but I suppose Harry was a "hater" too.
Bronco
If I was so weak-minded to think that anyone would read any vomit I found supporting my hatred of the current administration I guess I'd also be too simple to construct my own arguments without the aid of cut and paste...unless I considered insults as argument.
Lawn ornaments...priceless.
rtr
Rawhide
Editor: I'm not sure which word you considered profanity. Was it S*B, cr*p or dem*crat?
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I'm not the Editor but I believe it was dem*crat, After all it does leave a foul stinch in the air every time the word is used.
rtr
Fannie Mae to allow borrowers in foreclosure to lease back homes
The mortgage giant's move is part of an attempt by lenders to keep a wave of foreclosed properties from slamming a housing market that has shown some signs of recovery.
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The Kenyan took over Fannie Mae after the Democrats caused it ot fail in the first place by forcing it to take loans people could not pay back and now the Kenyan is forcing them become slum lords too. "Such a deal" Now you get to make your rental check out to the government.
rtr
49% See GOP Takeover of Congress Next Year As Possible
Thursday, November 05, 2009
Forty-nine percent (49%) of U.S. voters now say it is at least somewhat likely that Republicans will win control of Congress next year. But only 18% say it is very likely.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that 37% think it’s unlikely the GOP will take majority control away from the Democrats. Just seven percent (7%) say it’s not at all likely. Thirteen percent (13%) are not sure.
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We have the Kenyan to thank for this..........How's that working out for you Socialists now?
rtr
SorrySOB
Well, I know you don't like hearing about Bush, but let's go back in time a bit to Hurricane Katrina. People in New Orleans are still complaining about the Bush administrations response to that. Only difference is, he had the resources to save a lot of lives and he didn't.
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What recourses are you talking about, Oh yeah, Throw it out there but nothing in it.
I do keep for getting that the Kenyan is a messiah and is so powerful he can even change the climate and vaporize a Hurricane.
As for the country failing it is to late, Look at what a criminally corrupt loser the Kenyan is. "Campaign backs to Wall Street, ACORN"
A 29% approval rating is the lowest of any president with only one year in.
If it wasn't for us conservatives you lazy socialists / Marxists would have already been enslaved to the government a long time ago.
You Socialist / Marxists are the problem and not the solution.
Rawhide
Sorry S*B: As I recall, it was Obama's friends, pastors and political appointees (czars) who started all this political name calling cr*p. The racial accusations were also started by dem*crats trying to make their man appear the victim. Most Americans can see through that cr*p and it is backfiring on the man.
Editor: I'm not sure which word you considered profanity. Was it S*B, cr*p or dem*crat?
SorrySOB
Well, I know you don't like hearing about Bush, but let's go back in time a bit to Hurricane Katrina. People in New Orleans are still complaining about the Bush administrations response to that. Only difference is, he had the resources to save a lot of lives and he didn't. I have a feeling most of you weren't on this forum pitching a fit when he was sitting on his thumb about that. My point of this is that each president is going to complained about. Comes with the job as Frank says. However, it appears the hatred for Obama is a bit out of proportion and that simply is the teabaggers push to split the country even further rather than ever try to work on coming to a compromise. Most conservatives would rather see the country fail rather than see Obama succeed. The Rush way of thinking. You hope Obama fails simply because you hate him.
Rawhide
Rob: When is Obama and his fan club going to own up and take responibility for their inept performance and quit blaming Bush, Cheney and everyone else. Obama is now the man, not Bush. Tell your man to own up to the job. If its a lack of tort reform that is responsible for the government's inability to vacinate Americans from the swine flu and also the seasonal flu, then why is it the president and his democratic stooges refuse to talk about tort reform? The Dems control both the House and Senate, so what are they waiting for? Maybe its because trial lawyers are largely democrats. The Republicans have been crying for tort reform for years.
Pete
So begins the strategy of explaining away the failures of Obamacare before it even begins. Lowering expectations etc. I see neither Rob nor Bronco went near the fact that Wallstreet got there vaccines first....but let me guess. UPS or Fed-Ex delivered to the wrong address....darn private companies. If the USPS would have been in charge things would have been delivered on time and to the right people. Maybe we should let Bahrain vote on whether our government should nationalize those private companies. By the way....all you parents out there that are outraged that Wallstreet got vaccines before your kids....shut up....you're just being impossible to please. No complaining allowed in the workers paradise.
naturalresources
Hey, Rob123,
It seems to me that one of the our foreign countries (Afganastan)with a military presence voted a little early a while back on 9/11. Alqaeda as I recall.......voted with our commercial airliners and 3000 of our citizens and sent a clear message that they were escalating their war against the "Infidels". After a legitimate response from America,and a clear message being sent to the world leaders by the Bush Administration that unprovoked attacks on the US would not go withot a retaliation,, the "enemy combatants" are still being placated by the Obama administration. It reminds me of the Carter Administration....no guts whatsoever to deal with reality. Just the same old La La Leftie argument...that we must have deserved it or they would'nt be attacking us in the first place...or that we the people caused all the problems throughout the course of our existence on the planet....ref.to all minority deprivation. Soon, I predict, Obama will have us right back to "Ground Zero" with our vulnarability factor. Why would he want to do that to the country he loves?
Bronco
Rob, you have been dismissed. Pete says your arguments don't hold water...never mind they are based on actual facts but that's how some of these haters think. I tried to call the President but the White House staff said he was busy deciding who gets flu shots and could only make one choice every three seconds and even with a fourteen hour day could only give out about 17,000 vaccines a day. I did the math and told the staffer it would take him 53 years to get to Pete and to me that death panel thing the republicans fear so much has become a reality. Fox News said that it has been said that someone heard that ACORN and Michelle Obama created the swine flu virus while Barrack was in Kenya becoming a Muslim so he could hate America and destroy it by giving nasal spray to GITMO detainees and bankers.
Rob, you really need to get out and find out this stuff on your own. The great thinkers in this room have lost all respect for you and your interpretation of 'facts.' Don't you know the President is out to kill us all?
Pete
Rob... (-: Somehow I knew you were going to maintain Obama isn't responsible and then go on an anti-Bush diatribe...nevermind that none or your arguments hold water...koolaid, maybe. Why don't you lay out your thesis to the healthcare industry who haven't recieved vaccines while Goldman Sachs and Citigroup have? Or maybe to my sister (a nurse) who's clinic is running short while a red-faced Gibbs tries to explain away the amateur decisions of this White House...and you have the temerity to claim an elevated intellect?
Your other idea is fitting for a Saturday morning....cartoonish and silly...and hopefully intended as such.
Bronco
Wow! I missed the knockout! But I know rtr, he's waiting to come out again when it's safe. Probably scratching his acne and thinking up new insults for everyone.
Pete, I have to go along with Old Blue and Rob on the vaccine complaint. I tell customers their truck will be done by Wednesday then Tuesday late the parts company calls and says they forgot to order or the warehouse on the mainland doesn't have it; there's always some reason, not an excuse, a real reason why my customer is not getting his truck back when I said he would. If you are down to whining about supply shortfalls outside Obama's control then you fall under the Impossible to Please column.
You want to know who let me down? jJesus. Said in hHis book, several times mind you, that he'd be back before all hHis contemporaries died. It's been 2000 years and not a word. Talk about a major no-show.
SorrySOB, if you think you know the 'racist redneck scumbucket's' address, why don't you take a drive out there and see if you can find that bird feeder that's on his avatar. If he takes it down, look for those trees. Let us know if those are 'ornamental' deer too.
Rob123
Hey Pete the Libertarian! Here's an idea for you to use to stretch your imagination within the dictates of our Constitutions' "Liberty for All" proclamation......What if, after all the primaries and our 2 or 3 Presidential Candidates are chosen by the current method of elections in primaries and backrooms, on Election Day any voting citizen in any country that has an American Military Presence within their borders is allowed to cast a Mail In Ballot for "President of the U.S." ONLY? Now that would be an eye opener, huh? Do you think the American Public would like to know what the locals think about our Foreign Policy? Probably way to much Democracy for your brand of self-righteous Libertarianism? As an experiment, maybe the first Foreign Presidential Election Vote could be used for information purposes only, to see how it works? It beats the heck out of sending the Dept. of Commerce or Agriculture on missions dangling freebies (quietly) in advance of the Sec of State or President offering Treaties. Things could get real? It would be like a U.N. without Bribes and Graffe......Please respond so rtr knows how to react.
Rob123
Pete. Rawhide: Who actually makes Swine Flu Vaccine? It's not the government! It's private industry. And why are the companies that make it not even American owned? They used to be! Tort reform anyone? The companies trade on Wall Street, but their home offices, and all but one manufacturing plant, are Off Shore. How did this happen? Tort reform anyone? And don't forget, despite the condescending remarks of Libertarian Pete, with his Conservative Mantra, the Companies that make the Vaccine are headquartered in "Socialist" Europe because the Corporate Tax Rate is LESS than in "Capitalist" America, and Bush (who I voted for) had 8 years to change it and didn't even try! No, he prayed a lot for the economy, and went to war " against the enemies of freedom " in ways that only a C Student could comprehend. But his swagger and personal style sure did suck in all the other C Students of the World living in the USA , and now we look out at a close to exhausted military with a mission that is hard to understand, and a fractured middle east that is more militant than when we went in, and all anyone can do is blame the President over a lack of vaccine by companies headquartered off shore. That's dumb. We have already become a 2nd Rate Nation on the Intellectual Scale.
Pete
Rawhide...I guess they're just getting the public used to the idea of rationing.
Rawhide
Gettin serious now . . ... my wife is a nurse at the hospital and they still don't have enough vacine for the doctors, nurses and other hospital employees who are expected to care for the sick. I guess that's the Obamacare plan at work.
SorrySOB
Remember that racist redneck scumbucket's name that came up when you did a search earlier? Put that together with Kalispell Montana in a Google search and see what comes up. Of course, I wouldn't be implying that it belongs to anyone here... but try it out just the same.
Old Blue
Last one for me, boys. Friday night and I'm heading into town to the old watering hole. Now it's easy to take pot shots at the President. Like he's got time to let all of you down on everything that the government does like giving out 40 million flu shots and deciding who gets each and every one. Some things are just out of the man's control. I don't side with him an everything so don't get me wrong. I think illegal alians are just that---illegal. Just like it's illegal to hurl insults at somebody here just because they show up. I hear the truck starting up. Got to cacht my ride. So long for now.
Pete
Rawhide...How come I never thought of that? That's funny as h*ll.
Pete
Rawhide....Lol...Yea, well....I bet it doesn't happen now. I'm sure they'll re-think the whole idea. I think the wallstreet thing bothers me more. But I guess the government is just protecting their investment? It's just so typical of the elitist measures constantly instituted by the "peoples party" and a great preview of what we have to look forward to under government mandated healthcare. The problem is they are like kids who have to touch the hot stove to learn its dangerous.....only we all get burned.
Rawhide
OK . . . .Now I can see it! How could I have doubted my president! He will be able to close down Gitmo on schedule just as soon as the prisoners .. . I mean ... "detainees". get sick and die from the pork flue and their bodies are shipped home!
Pete
Wow...Old Blue was faster than Rep. Owens of NY-23 in showing his true colors...but then again nobody bought the act to begin with.
Old Blue
I'm not a liberal or a democrat or a republican. But I think anybody who wants to kill somebody else for their God or their Allah ought to be separated from the pack and shot. That goes for anybody who promotes that sort of stupid crapola. The Falwell feller got people to think that God sent a hurricane to kill sinners. Freedom of speech don't mean freedom to incite others to kill and hate. You draw the line somewhere or mayhem happens. This topic we're supposed to be talking about covers that. I listen to those mad hatters on Fox news and they just want to stir up trouble and eventually violence. The Kieth Obermen guy too. He goes too far defending lazy welfare cheats and parasites. There's too many of them people around now too.
Rawhide
Pete: Did I understand you right, that the Gitmo prisoners are going to get that H1N1 shot even before our true blooded American cons, who at least are U.S. citizens, and how about the illegal alien prisoners (who are wannabe citizens)? Sounds like the Ayatola's and Ahmadinijad's boys are getting preferential treatment from President Barrack Hussein Oba. . . . . . . . Oh NOW I get it.
Old Blue
I didn't sign on to be insulted by some crapcovered pus filled hemorrhoid with nothing to do and no accomplishments to account for all the air she's been stealing from the rest of us. Just disagreeing with this excuse for a human being shouldn't garner disrespect, insults, and threats. I said I'd give you my address you little basterd. But I suspect you aren't man enough to face up to me anywhere's but here. If you can quit riding your daddys pork fork long enough for your bung hole to close back up you give me your address and we'll see what kind of disrespect a born and bred 1920's Montanan puts up with. Put up or shutup you inbred.
Pete
Old Blue...Obama wasn't nearly as ambitious as you. He set a goal of 40 million by the end of October...and had less than half that available. So it wasn't my standards he didn't live up to, it was his own....and its not a "party thing" pup...its an American thing.
Pete
BREAKING NEWS
TO: Liberals Everywhere
"The president has done everything humanly possible to get ready for this epidemic," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday."
The White House today admitted that President Barack Obama is not God. This startling admission was made amidst growing criticism of his handling of the H1N1 Flu Crisis. There was immediate reaction from many liberal organizations including MoveOn.Org who released a statement strongly condemming Gibbs as a heretic and asking for him to be waterboarded. GE stock took a big hit on the news and Keith Olberman simply wept on air. As the day progressed rumors became even more vicious as it was suggested that among other things, Obama reads from a telepromter, can't multi-task, and that the Greek columns at his Chicago speech were fake and made of foam.
In addition, authorities are following leads on another incident that may be related to Gibbs' announcement. At the exact time of the announcement a primal scream was heard emanating from the state of North Dakota. Witnesses claim the scream could be heard for hundreds of miles, and drew coyotes from a four state region. Volunteer groups of Boy Scouts are now scouring the area for the source of the disturbance.
rtr
Is your learning curve out of whack? Why do you hang on to the Past?
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Nat, It is that old race card when they have nothing else which is quite humorous because as you can tell they are using the race card so what does that tell you.
But your comparision of Reagan getting shot is like our 12 soldiers getting shot yesterday and note these liberal pigs here think that is fine and have not said anything about that. "They should be ashamed of themselves but they are happy about it instead"
rtr
Hey Old Bull, I should have said you are the Old Cloned Cow instead.
Nice try though I have to admit,,,"NOT" Pathetic indeed'
Old Blue
Pete, I didn't get no response from you about the flu shots. That mean you got shot down? As far as NY 23 they have voted Republican since the Civil War so I think you have a safe bet but no bragging rights.
Old Blue
rtr
Old Blue, Nice try but your name is now known as BULL CR*P "Mr. Clone".
Old Blue
Pete, I didn't get no response from you about the flu shots. That mean you got shot down? As far as NY 23 they have voted Republican since the Civil War so I think you have a safe bet but no bragging rights.
Old Blue
rtr, I Don't have enough history with you folks to know what your talking about. But I'll gladly give you my address if you want to come visit. Think your pop will give you a ride? I'll even flip over my best stool so you can feel at home.
naturalresources
Benznd, as the social revolution unfolded in this country, lots of examples of bigotry were discovered and dealt with. Pollution was considered a minor infraction in most cases; yet, today, most of society realizes the negative impact of polluting and have adjusted their behaviour accordingly; no thanks to the likes of Greenpeace and other radical, politically motivated groups. Having grown up on the East Coast I must admit that Blacks were treated much better than your recollection from Montana. In fact they were very much a positive influence in the community in which I evolved into a critical thinking, conservative adult. Although today most blacks believe they were discriminated against in the 60's and seventy's. I was there and witnessed that they were mostly treated with respect in the community that I lived in. Due to "revisioinist history",touted by Jesse Jackson Al Sharpdon and the likes; most blacks feel they fall into the victim category. From your post it appears that Montana may have been 20 years behind the East coast in it's social evolutionary process. At any rate, you said " Nixon and Reagon did it for me" I assume that means they changed your political affiliation. What did it for me? Reagon being shot by Hinkley and all of the left wing liberals in the room cheering it on as if it were the Broncos and Green bay Packers having it out on a Saturday night.So you see, the changes in our society are adjustments that correct the wrongs . Is your learning curve out of whack? Why do you hang on to the Past?
rtr
Hey Old Blue, What does it feel like to be the clone of an existing Marxist.
Shall we have an IP address check to see which one you show up as "IDIOT" Laughing
Pete
"White House officials defended their handling of the H1N1 outbreak after an uproar over local officials' mistakes and what appeared to be their own misleading comments.
"The president has done everything humanly possible to get ready for this epidemic," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday.
Gibbs' comments came just hours after reports that Wall Street giants Goldman Sachs and Citigroup got vaccines for their high-risk workers while some hospitals and clinics are still waiting for it.
"If you're going to prioritize everybody who works in a contained area, maybe you ought to be at elementary schools instead of Wall Street banks," said Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo."
Pete
Washington (CNN) -- The Pentagon will offer the H1N1 vaccination to detainees at the U.S. facility at Guantanamo Bay, officials there said Friday.
The Pentagon made the decision based on U.S. government assessments that people held in detention facilities are at high risk for the pandemic, said Maj. Diana R. Haynie, a spokeswoman for Joint Task Force Guantanamo Bay, which is in charge of holding the suspected terrorists.
Pete
Next year it will be Hoffman by a landslide in NY-23.
Old Blue
Would someone tell me please how you get kicked off this discussion? I read the rules. Do they apply to everyone? Do they even apply? I see one guy put on 3445 lines. How do the rest of you keep up with Babbling Betty? This gal has insulted everybody here. I had a dog once that barked all night for a week straight. I had to put him out of my misery. But this gal, it's a wonder she shut up long enough for them deer to come so close so she could snap a picture. Maybe them are lawn ornaments.
Pete, I did the arithmetic and if the government was to distribute 325 million flu vaccines to each one of us Americans at the rate of a million a day, that's 12 per second, it would take them 11 months. I don't know what party you support but they must be some fast sumbiches when it comes to needles and nose spray. Heck, it took the good Lord seven days to create heaven and earth. Now that He has had some practice, maybe He can do it in five.
Pete
PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
And Benznd calls the Boy Scouts Nazis while Rob says "Bravo". Talk about a wacked out moral compass.
ALERT: New nick-name for the leftist collective on here......The Lost Boys.... their moral compass is broken and their policies will drain the life out of the country. :-)
rtr
The President also targets popular programs such as Medicare Advantage, thereby resulting in even more Americans losing coverage. This is unacceptable.
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I would like to know how the Kenyan has the gall to try and take away what we have paid into all our lives.
Pete
Well....that didn't take long did it? Lol...you libs are sure a Machiavellian lot aren't you?
NY-23's Owens Backs Gov't Option, Breaks Campaign Promise
Congressman-elect Bill Owens was sworn in at noon today.
Owens indicated in a press release released shortly afterwards that he was now in favor of the the "Affordable Healthcare for America Act" bill in direct contrast to his earlier position during the election campaign.
According to Politico.com, Mr. Owens assured voters that he felt the public option had no place in the health care reform bill. Contrary to that position, Mr. Owens now indicates that he intends to vote in favor of the bill even though it now contains a public option.
faithful reader
Pete, I thought only the guards at Gitmo were vaccinated, not the detainees. Do I have it wrong?
faithful reader
rtr: "Sorry but I don't have time to play right now with the mentally handicaped..."Be pateint"
That's a shame. Your mom and children won't live forever. You should spend time with them while you can.
Pete
I would still like to know if the government that can't distribute flu vaccines with a 6 month lead time is the same government that the Dems want to put in control of healthcare. The same government that distributed vaccines to big wallstreet firms and gitmo detainees before regular folks who were waiting and waiting. Is this your socialist paradise?
rtr
Hey there little robbie I just had a though for you.
You say you have a business or businesses here in the Flathead, What say you put up a sign that states people can sign up for the Socialist party or the Marxist party and see where that gets you.
By the way I can say the same things in public as I do here in this blog with no problem anywhere or fear in Kaispell or anywhere in the Flathead Valley.
Question, Why do you have to hide behind your keyboard like you do here instead of coming out of the closet with your Marxist / Communist beliefs? "Have you ever ask yourself that question"?
Spelling correction.
rtr
faithful idiot, Sorrylittleboy, and Woodybaby, Sorry but I don't have time to play right now with the mentally handicaped..."Be pateint"
rtr
SorrySOB
He stands for rtr being on his knees.
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You are not even making sense, You are starting to sound like your alter ego Woody. "Just plain stupid"
rtr
Bronco
So far this week, rtr has told us:
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Come on now, I know I posted a lot more than that.
faithful reader
SorrySOB, I went to the link and read some posts. You definitely got your man - same distinctive, abysmal third-grade spelling, same insults and aggression. Don't know how you did it, but I'm impressed.
rtr
Hey there little robbie I just had a though for you.
You say you have a business or businesses here in the Flathead, What say you put up a sign that states people can sign up for the Socialist party or the Marxist party and see where that gets you.
By the way I can say the same things in public as I do here in this blog with no problem anywhere or fear in Kaispell of anywhere in the Flathead Valley.
Question, Why do you have to hide behind your keyboard like you do here instead of coming out of the closet with your Marxist / Communist beliefs? "Have you ever ask yourself that question"?
rtr
Woody so now you are admitting I have your undivided attention and you got kicked out due to wearing high heels and can't reinlist.
It must s*ck to be you with that don't tell policy and get caught anyway.
SorrySOB
He stands for rtr being on his knees.
rtr
Benznd
He stands back, feeds the ugly thing,
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Again you lie just like little baby robbie, Pete had not posted here until after noon today and by that time I had already made you look like a bunch of monkey's playing with your own p**p several times.
The ONLY difference is that you were able to GANG up on me with little baby robbie, Bronco the pup and Woody----"OH and old bull last night that was resurrected from the PROMICED long since blind little robbie or one of your other addy's".
It takes a gang of you or you are cowards on your own and YOU are the ones that need the support......It reminds me of something else, Maybe you can fill in the blanks.
Woody
Donald, you do have my undivided attention. i plan to remind you on a regular basis what kind of person I think you are. If you want to know what a real man is look to the list of victims at Fort Hood and zero in on John Gaffaney. Captain John Gaffaney was a 56 year old man who spent the last 2 years petitioning the Pentagon. He first got permission to enlist and then since he was a real man and a true American he further petitioned to be allowed to serve in a combat zone. Your excuses are EMPTY. Man up.
benznd
Rob, the ignition of rtr through Pete is exactly the point I was making about urine on a fire. He stands back, feeds the ugly thing, gets the smoke rolling then goes home. It does get to be somewhat annoying when all you get? All you get is? Let me see. All you get is? Fill it in Pete!! WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT DO YOU STAND FOR.
rtr
Rob
1. On the L vs R split, if one ignores rtr (I do) and only reads Pete, 2.
2. but skips over the parts where Pete is merely egging rtr on,
3. there isn't anybody to the R of Center posting except condescending Pete the Libertarian.
4. You guys have embarrassed everyone away! Good Job.
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Now this will take some evaluation.
First off little robbie you lied in your fist sentence since you have posted directly and indirectly to me even after you got bad eyesight yesterday.
Second is that I have done very well even when Pete wasn’t posting so I guess you lose all the way around.
Third is that is not true at all, I have seen several people post here that just don’t seem to have any time at all for your Marxist attitude. "Does "Natres" ring a bell and I could name others, some of which you have been successful in running of and others not".
Fourth, Thanks little robbie at least you know your place in life here in the Flathead Valley and realize your kind is not wanted here. "If I am wrong then by all means go stand on the street corner and spew your HATRED of American at Norm’s News and see where that gets you".
Rob123
On the L vs R split, if one ignores rtr (I do) and only reads Pete, but skips over the parts where Pete is merely egging rtr on, there isn't anybody to the R of Center posting except condescending Pete the Libertarian. You guys have embarrassed everyone away! Good Job, Fatheads with Rigid Poles stuck up your other Orifice, smiling at each other with great satisfaction, while the rest of the world moves on. Try switching your poles out and using pogo sticks. The illusion of movement would be self satisfying, I am sure.
benznd
Republicans give more to charities as tax writeoffs. Eh? And remember, not all of the Hitler Youth became Hitlarian. I still have hope for our country. Tell about Pete. I went to a great deal of WORK and time to define LIbertarians, Conservatives, Religious Right. And you just can't let go of a corn. Hum. Corn, pop corn, get it. BSA and GSA. Corn. huh? Oh well, perhaps it was not too funny or else you are just so uptight about this Hitler Youth thing. If ya don't like it, get up off you duff and make some money. My, that makes about as much sense as some of the comments I get from you and yours. Now, Peter, WHO are U? Aside from reactionary. Just tell us, all of us bloggers, what you stand for. We know what you don't stand for. Quite hiding and come out of the closet.
rtr
Pete
Do a little navel gazing and you'll see a leftist loon so paranoid that the Girl Scouts make him shiver when they come around to sell their NAZI cookies.
Next time you get hit up by the BSA or GSA....go ahead and let them know how dangerous they are....if nothing else the community you live in deserves the kindness of a warning sign before you finally go Snap, Crackle, Pop.
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By the way I would appreciate it if they did this while standing on the street corner at Norm's News screaming at the top of their lungs........"What a visual that is"........Too Funny
rtr
Hey Benznd, You don't realize just how much you really do have in common with the Un-American Jane Fonda that is your hero.
She got kicked out of a restaurant in Big Timber also when she walked in “she was like you” and thought she was really cool and wanted to be waited on before the locals and the owned not only told her she wasn't going to be waited on first but she was to leave and never come back since she was nothing but and Un-American B*tch.
The arrogance of you liberal Socialist / Marxists never seems to amaze me.
Pete
Benznd...ask Bronco that last question...he's the one who thought altruistic giving to be so rare as to be noted in the news. Or ask why studies have found Republicans give more to charity than Democrats...and not only by income but by percentage. Hard questions to answer? Not really. Do a little navel gazing and you'll see a leftist loon so paranoid that the Girl Scouts make him shiver when they come around to sell their NAZI cookies. In your twisted way of thinking a mandated government handout to a corrupt oganization such as ACORN is somehow morally superior to a voluntary contribution to the GSA. Next time you get hit up by the BSA or GSA....go ahead and let them know how dangerous they are....if nothing else the community you live in deserves the kindness of a warning sign before you finally go Snap, Crackle, Pop.
rtr
This is a must read for everyone from Senator Crapo to a friend of mine over in Idaho. "It's long but worth reading"
It points out the real failures in Obama's Death Care plan.
It also points out how the elderly will lose any quaility of Health Care with by taking away / stealing from Medicare that they have paid into all their lives.
Subject: Correspondence from Senator Crapo
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:28:56 -0500
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Thank you for contacting me to express your concern with President Barack Obama's health care reform proposal as well as H.R. 3962, the Affordable Health Care for America Act. I agree with you and welcome the opportunity to respond with my suggestions for improving health care.
While health care reform is essential, the President's and many Congressional Democrats' proposals for overhauling the system are problematic. Quality and affordable health care is understandably one of the highest priorities among Americans. A successful health care plan would allow Americans the ability to choose plans that fit their specific needs and those of their families. Thus, any successful reform package must properly address all logistical and personal components of our nation's health care system.
In my weekly travels through Idaho, I have had the opportunity to listen to my fellow Idahoans' ideas and concerns regarding our nation's health care system. In doing so, I have heard overwhelming opposition from Idahoans regarding the prospect of the federal government further encroaching upon their lives. They continually express their distrust of a government plan, losing their existing coverage, and paying more money for an inadequate health plan. Instead of giving the government more power over health care, individual patients must have more control, choice, and information to make their health care decisions. When individual patients have these choices, they will reward innovative insurers and providers who reduce costs and improve quality.
Many health care proposals disregard this fact by continuing to support a costly and prohibitive government-option health care plan. I am opposed to such a system as it would certainly lower the quality of care that Americans enjoy and result in delayed or rationed health care. In addition, such a system would be extremely costly, burdening American taxpayers and the economy with large costs and inevitable, significant tax increases. Without the beneficial effects of competition, or cost-cutting measures, a government health care monopoly would likely lead to higher prices. The archaic, confusing, and inaccurate formulas and policies that Medicare uses to determine physician and hospital reimbursement levels serve as an example of the ramifications of adopting a government-run system.
Health care spending currently exceeds 16 percent of the Gross Domestic Product and continues to increase at an alarming rate. Unfortunately, these plans do not address this problem and instead includes $900 billion price tags. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that some of Congressional proposals will add billions of dollars to the national deficit over the next ten years. The CBO also estimates that the these proposals will cause millions of people to lose their current coverage, which contradicts the President's repeated promise that those who are content with their current health care coverage will keep it. The President also targets popular programs such as Medicare Advantage, thereby resulting in even more Americans losing coverage. This is unacceptable.
The lack of specifics in these proposals are equally concerning. While the President states that his plan for reform will not insure illegal immigrants, no language in his - or any Congressional proposal - would require individuals to provide proof of citizenship before obtaining subsidized benefits that are funded by every taxpayer. Federal funding for abortions is another concern that I have with these proposals. No legislation should force taxpayers to pay for something that they fundamentally oppose. Additionally, these legislative proposals include tax increases that will disproportionately affect small businesses, which will only lead to unemployment and further financial hardships for hard-working Americans.
Preserving access to high-quality private health coverage, focusing on prevention and wellness initiatives, improving the delivery system mechanism, and bending downward the growth curve of spending should be priorities in any comprehensive health care reform legislation. Fair insurance-market reforms that provide all Americans access to health care are essential to any successful health care system.
Providing quality health care for all citizens is my priority and must remain a priority for this Congress. Please know that I will continue to work with my Senate colleagues to establish a plan that works and truly represents the will of the American people.
Mike Crapo
United States Senator
benznd
Now, we have Pete who is a Libertarian/Conservative. A right wing Libertarian? A cherry picking Conservative. Where do these individuals come from. Certainly "they" are not born this way or do they possess some supernatural intellectual or spiritual gifts? There can be a predisposition for rigidity of thought. However, the rest must be nurture. Why would someone, perhaps a successful business man or woman, altruistically provide for the less fortunate, while others with the same financial means choose to ignore the plight of these underprivileged Americans. Some individuals disguise their self-righteousness with pejoratives towards the minimum wagers.
Pete
Did you see where Wallstreet firms and Gitmo detainees scored the H1N1 vaccine while there is a shortage for the folks in the country? Ah...a virtual workers paradise....Please give us more socialism, it is the way, the truth, and the life....no man comes by the vaccine but through the government.
rtr
Woody
Complain to Frank. Hardly
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No really Woody, Frank might enjoy a good laugh before he goes home on Friday.
By the way Woody it apears I am doing quite well fighting my own battles thank you very much, If you hadn't noticed I have your undivided attention now don't I "and you ain't doing so well other than in your own mind" "If you are going to play with the big boys you better get with the program is all I have say..
Pete
MTPatriot...amazing isn't it. Un-employment to hit double digits, majority of the growth in the government sector, and the Dems want to add 1.2 Trillion more to the debt in the name of healthcare. It all makes sense if your name is "Spend Baby Spend" Joe Biden. To the rest of us its shear madness.
benznd
This information was provided through Answers.com
"The Christian right, also known as the Religious Right and the Evangelical Bloc, is a term used predominantly in the United States to describe a spectrum of right-wing Christian political and social movements and organizations characterized by their strong support of conservative social and political values. The politically active social movement of the Christian right includes individuals from a wide variety of conservative theological beliefs, ranging from traditional movements within Pentecostalism, fundamentalist Christianity and Mormonism to the sections of Lutheranism and Catholicism that are theologically conservative.
The Christian right is contrasted with the Christian left, a spectrum of left-wing "Christian political and social movements which largely embrace policies of social justice."
The alienation of Southern Democrats also contributed to the rise of the Right as a result of the dissolution over race, particularly after desegregation efforts following the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and the Barry Goldwater campaign attracted members of the Southern elite into the Republican Party. The Right also grew as a reaction of the progressive culture of the 1960s and a fear of social disintegration.
Woody
Complain to Frank. Hardly. He is the one that said it is okay to treat you like the freedom stealing coward that you are. Is your wife still talking about me? Are you really Donald Creese. I think you are afraid to say. Don.t worry little man. Just sit there and wait. Someone with a spine will come along and fight your battles for you.
Pete
rtr...I laughed so hard yesterday...dang that was funny. I thought Wikipedia had based their research on this sight. Lol...Your re-post comment got me too. I had thought of giving you the name Ghillie because you disappeared from Rob's sight, but thought Catnip was more apropos. :-)
rtr
Pete, By the way I will take the name of Catnip and ware it proudly.
Pete
Back to debate....Is the government that couldn't produce enough flu vaccines with 6 months notice, the same government the left wants to turn the whole healthcare system over to? What a wonderful preview of the Democrat's social paradise.
Pete
SorrySOB...and others: I saw the other day that Sorry had posted an address on here for one of the posters. Whether it was legit or not I don't know, but when Sensible threatens to show up at someones house and then SOB posts an address.... that is going beyond words. I am sure I could easily expose others on here, and if they were publicly connected to some of the statements they have made on this sight they, and/or their business(s), could have REAL trouble in the community. Is that the point of this sight? Honestly if you get so worked up that you start threatening people because of words....then you need to take a break from this sight and get some perspective. Nobody forces anyone on here to respond to anyone else. My Catnip comment was funny, but true. Some of you can't seem to help yourselves and have become the thing you despise. Let the words fly if you must, but threats to "out" people or publish addresses, or show up at someones house is real thuggery. Words are words...but as Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is as stupid does."
rtr
SOCIALISM
What are some of the political reforms and public policies advocated by socialists and their allies like little robbie, Benznd, Bronco,and SorrySOB "on the road to full socialism"
WE DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT UNDERTAKE THE OBLIGATION ABOVE ALL OF PROVIDING CITIZENS WITH ADEQUATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND EARNING A LIVING.
THE ACTIVITIES OF THE INDIVIDUAL MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO CLASH WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT MUST TAKE PLACE WITHIN ITS CONFINES AND BE FOR THE GOOD OF ALL ...
WE DEMAND THE NATIONALIZATION OF ALL BUSINESSES WHICH HAVE BEEN AMALGAMATED (INTO TRUSTS).
WE DEMAND THAT THE STATE SHALL SHARE IN THE PROFITS OF LARGE INDUSTRIES.
WE DEMAND THAT PROVISION FOR THE AGED SHALL BE MADE ON A VERY GREATLY INCREASED SCALE.
WE DEMAND A LAND-REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, THE PASSING OF A LAW FOR THE CONFISCATION OF LAND FOR COMMUNAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF INTEREST ON MORTGAGES, AND PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
WE DEMAND AN AGRARIAN REFORM SUITABLE TO OUR NATIONAL REQUIREMENTS; THE ENACTMENT OF A LAW TO EXPROPRIATE WITHOUT COMPENSATION THE OWNERS OF ANY LAND THAT MAY BE NEEDED FOR NATIONAL PURPOSES; THE ABOLITION OF GROUND RENTS; AND THE PROHIBITION OF ALL SPECULATION IN LAND.
...THE STATE SHALL ORGANIZE THOROUGHLY THE WHOLE CULTURAL SYSTEM OF THE NATION . . . THE CONCEPTION OF THE STATE IDEA (THE SCIENCE OF CITIZENSHIP) SHALL BE TAUGHT IN THE SCHOOLS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. WE DEMAND THAT SPECIALLY TALENTED CHILDREN OF POOR PARENTS, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR STATION OR OCCUPATION, SHALL BE EDUCATED AT THE COST OF THE STATE.
IT IS THE DUTY OF THE STATE TO HELP RAISE THE STANDARD OF THE NATION'S HEALTH BY PROVIDING MATERNITY WELFARE CENTRES, BY PROHIBITING JUVENILE LABOUR, BY INCREASING PHYSICAL FITNESS THROUGH THE INTRODUCTION OF COMPULSORY GAMES AND GYMNASTICS. . . .
(WE) COMBAT THE MATERIALISTIC SPIRIT WITHIN AND OUTSIDE US, AND ARE CONVINCED THAT A PERMANENT RECOVERY OF OUR PEOPLE CAN ONLY PROCEED WITHIN ON THE FOUNDATION OF "THE COMMON GOOD BEFORE THE INDIVIDUAL GOOD."
rtr
The posters that so proudly hang on the walls of Bronco, Benznd, Little robbie's, SorrySOB's Tee Pee's is that of Jane Fonda their Un-American hero.
rtr
Definition of Benznd, Rob, Bronco, SorrySOB political views and their Political Platform they proudly stand on in order to spew their HATRED of America..
Defining Socialism and Fascism
Understanding and Differentiating Between the Two Political Extremes
© Elvira Nieto
Sep 12, 2009
"Though similar in their emphasis in totalitarianism, socialism and fascism are two different political concepts with like leanings.
Perhaps more than at any other time in current history, the terms socialistand fascisthave been easily thrown about in countless articles and commentaries used to refer not just to the President of the United States, Barack Obama, but also to any idea or potential policy that may expand the role of government in every day American life. The health care debate is a case in point.
However accurate or inaccurate these depictions of socialism or fascism may be in relation to the current state of affairs, it is important to understand exactly what these terms mean and where they gained prominence.
Socialism Defined
In Webster’s New World College Dictionary, socialism is defined as “any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or community sharing in the work and products.” Essentially, everyone works together for the greater good. This is the intermediate stage, according to Marxist doctrine, which comes between the capitalism and communism stages.
Origins of Socialism
Henri de Saint-Simon (1760-1825) is viewed by many political theorists as the embodiment of the essence of socialism: even more so than Karl Marx. Saint-Simon saw the advances of science and industry and predicted their dominance. Because of this, he believed that a social harmony could be achieved through the scientific division of labor. It was from Saint-Simon that philosophers like Marx, Auguste Comte, and John Stuart Mill drew influence for their socialist theories.
Socialist Countries of the World
Socialist states have included the USSR, Communist China, Sweden, England, Cuba and North Korea. Socialism has also claimed smaller states in Eastern Europe, East Africa, as well as SE Asia. More recently, Venezuela has come into the socialist fold under the leadership of Hugo Chavez"
rtr
You know i think it is about time for you Socialist / Marxists to start complaining to Frank the Editor again..
Its been three days now since you have done that even though you all did destroy the civility of the conversations that were going on for a day and a half the other day until Benznd decided it wasn't fair for you socialist / Marxists not to be able to use the DIL for your political Platform building "By the way how is that Political Platform Building working out for you".
rtr
The good news Bronco is that talking dogs don't live long.
I hear in your neck of the woods they get run over chasing fire trucks and from having people thow bones out in shark infested waters for you to swim in.
rtr
RTR
Restore The Republic
benznd
"The phrase "right-wing" comes from the seating arrangement of parliamentary partisans during the French Revolution. The monarchists who supported the Ancien Régime were commonly referred to as rightists because they sat on the right side of successive legislative assemblies. As this original reference became obsolete, the meaning of the terms has changed as appropriate to the spectrum of ideas and stances being compared, and the point of view of the speaker.
"Despite the important differences from other right-wing ideologies, fascism is almost universally considered to be a part of the right." (-:
Benito Mussolini himself was originally a socialist, though he had ceased even to claim to be one by the time he was leading the fascist party (and, indeed, many of his old comrades were the first targets of his political police). In the treatise Doctrine of Fascism (written by Gentile but approved by Mussolini); fascism is identified as being of the right and it is declared that the 20th century will be the "century of the right".
From wordiQ.com: In the United States, most of the political right support the use of military measures against terrorist organizations — by which they mean not only paramilitary groups like Al-Qaida, but also groups like Hamas, which combine paramilitary activities with more conventional political and social organizing — and "terror-supporting states", including some Arab dictatorships. However, the Far-right and the Paleoconservatives generally oppose all or some of these campaigns and, most of the center-left approves a proactive stance against terrorism and dictatorship, while questioning whether the Iraq war is a useful part of such a stance.
The Neoconservative argument is that a hard line is the only correct approach to deal with terrorists and dictators. The rhetoric in support of this view often invokes the persistent stance of Sir Winston Churchill to fight Adolf Hitler instead of trying to appease him. Churchill himself clashed over this with fellow members of the UK Conservative Party during the period before Hitler's 1939 invasion of Poland.
"In politics, right-wing, political right, rightist and the Right are terms used to describe a number of positions and ideologies. They are most commonly used to refer to support for preserving traditional or cultural values and customs or for maintaining some form of social hierarchy or private control of the means of production." (Huh?) Is that like left up to families?
Lipset coined the term radical right in 1955 to describe radical groups opposed to social reforms and foreign interventionism and the term right later came to be applied to American conservatism. In other English-speaking countries however, the term has received less acceptance, and is usually considered pejorative.
Bronco
Rob, my neighbor Dave's grandfather was getting up in years, was hard of hearing and a bit senile. He usually sat in the living room, with the television on. He talked back to newscasters and game show hosts, anybody he thought would hear him. Any conversation I had in his presence with my neighbor and old gramps would think we were talking about him. He'd cuss at us and we'd ignore him which made him angrier. Then he'd just babble nonsense and start laughing thinking he had the final say. At the funeral last year I asked my neighbor what caused the old man's mind to come unhinged. Dave said he got like that soon after he retired, that he just disconnected with society and got all hateful and mean. The old man refused any medical or psychiatric care and just withered away. Dave was relieved after the old man was put to rest. Kind of touches the soul.
rtr
Bronco....I somewhat agree.....It's like scrolling through this page and seeing that Napoleonic Complex and on the way past I can't help but notice a little box inscribed with 'Freedom' sitting in the Palm of his little hand that is momentarily visible because the wind blew his coat back exposing his one and only Jewel that he hoards and protects from all the Jealous people he creates in his little mind. Yet he's convinced he has Freedom ; despite being a Racist , he is actually a fun, libertarian guy. Libertarian, by it's nature, can be anything to anybody......However, Tolerance and Compassion are two big stepping stones. Low or High Taxes should still be debated, along with invading foreign countries for pre-emptive reasons because someone may or may not be thinking about stealing retards little box held tightly in his little, sweaty hand.
Oh Little robbie that has me deleted from his eyesight has now honered me with a complete post.
Thank You little buddy.
Rob123
Bronco....I somewhat agree.....It's like scrolling through this page and seeing that Napoleonic Complex and on the way past I can't help but notice a little box inscribed with 'Freedom' sitting in the Palm of his little hand that is momentarily visible because the wind blew his coat back exposing his one and only Jewel that he hoards and protects from all the Jealous people he creates in his little mind. Yet he's convinced he has Freedom ; despite being a Racist , he is actually a fun, libertarian guy. Libertarian, by it's nature, can be anything to anybody......However, Tolerance and Compassion are two big stepping stones. Low or High Taxes should still be debated, along with invading foreign countries for pre-emptive reasons because someone may or may not be thinking about stealing retards little box held tightly in his little, sweaty hand.
rtr
By the way Bronco how many times is it now that you have stated you were going to get your Marxist b*tt out of here now? "OH Yeah UMP-Teen times now" and counting.
rtr
Bronco
I see my name uttered by cReaTuRe and I can't help but think I am being insulted. I know every post by it contains an insult since it attacks widows and dogs too. A cancerous soul.
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You missunderstand something, I take it as a compliment when you insult me since i would hate to have a low life like you or the rest of your Jane Fonda traders to America siding in with me.,
rtr
MTPatriot
Is this the kind of legacy that we want to leave to our children...a nation so far in debt it has to risk economic collapse by defaulting on its financial obligations?
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If your name were Obama the answer would be I could careless.
If you ask the American people the answer is "H*LL NO" and that is one of the reasons Obama's poll numbers are in the tiolet.
rtr
Why Obama Loves 10 Percent Unemployment
Obama’s Dirty Little Job Secret
"The other half of the formula is a tad less intuitive, but just as important. We also fire the president if unemployment is below 4%. Because when employment demand is too high, most every competent individual (and even a fair portion of the barely competent) can command the asking price of his or her choice.
Now we are talking rampant inflation, my friend, the spinning whirlwind cycle wherein wages and prices chase each other to the moon. Goods shoot out of reach, energy costs skyrocket, corporate profits whither and red ink proliferates… and we fire the president.
Now we’ve come upon the dirty little secret about American jobs. High unemployment acts as a brake on inflation! Here we are, ginning up trillions of new dollars so as to get the economy going again, and yet the Fed seems utterly unconcerned about inflation.
Washington’s REAL plan
Over and over we hear, “We have the means to control it.” Turns out, Washington’s means of keeping inflation in single digits is simple enough: double-digit unemployment!
“But wait a minute: Why isn’t Mr. Obama worried about losing the White House?” you ask. His popularity figures are indeed plummeting madly as we speak. But he doesn’t have to stand for re-election for another three-and-a-half years.
In the meantime, he pours oil on the water in Elkhart, and is free to pour cash into upper- and middle-class pockets the best way he knows how – real estate.
Yeah, that’s right: As we speak, Washington is doing its level best to engineer a new real estate boom as fast as it possibly can".
Bronco
Rob, being there are only a few banners to choose from, people choose the one which best fits their philosophy. Like an over-sized shirt with the tails out and sleeves unbuttoned, you can wear it in public but you don't always feel comfortable in it. I disagree with some liberal ideas but I disagree with more conservative ideas so my shirt has a few patches on it but still has the libertarian shade of tolerance.
Someone should tell the cReaTuRe that remarking on an issue in the room does not mean the same as responding to his egocentric need for attention nor does remaining in the room mean one reads every post. I see my name uttered by cReaTuRe and I can't help but think I am being insulted. I know every post by it contains an insult since it attacks widows and dogs too. A cancerous soul.
MTPatriot
The Congressional Budget Office has determined that the Obama administration's planned budgets would increase the debt-to-GDP ratio from 41 percent in 2008 to 82 percent in 2019.
Anticipating higher interest rates, the CBO estimates annual interest payments on the federal debt at $799 billion in 2019, up from $170 billion today.
One economist is warning that the US may even DEFAULT on its debt payments by 2019, considering the alternative courses of action.
Is this the kind of legacy that we want to leave to our children...a nation so far in debt it has to risk economic collapse by defaulting on its financial obligations?
rtr
The reality of the Kenyan today.
President Obama: One Year After Winning it All
Wednesday, November 04, 2009
"One year ago today, Senator Barack Obama became President-elect Obama. He and his team had run nearly a flawless campaign and were about to embark on what turned out to be a nearly flawless transition effort. By Inauguration Day, the man who had won 53% of the vote saw his overall job approval rating soar to 65%.
As expected, once the campaigning was over and the governing began, those numbers began to slip.
As president, Obama lost the support of Republicans in February during the debate over the stimulus package. Over the summer, economic concerns and the health care debate cost the president support among unaffiliated voters. By October, a month-by-month review showed that Obama’s overall job approval had slipped to 48% among Likely Voters.
This morning, on the anniversary of his election, the president’s Approval Index rating is at -13, just one point above the lowest level yet recorded and down 41 points since the Inauguration.
Economic conditions have played a role in dimming Obama's support. For much of the past year, voters continued to blame George W. Bush for the economy, but the blame is more evenly divided now between Bush and Obama.
The core promise made down the stretch to voters by candidate Obama was a pledge to cut taxes for 95% of all Americans. Now, more than 40% expect a tax hike and hardly anybody expects their taxes to go down. Not surprisingly, 74% of voters now view the president as politically liberal.
Just 33% believe the stimulus package has helped, and most opposed other economic initiatives including the takeover of General Motors and the cash-for-clunkers program. Among the priorities established by the president, voters consistently see deficit reduction as the most important but least likely to be achieved.
The health care plan proposed by the president is struggling and is supported by just 42% of voters nationwide. Confidence in the War on Terror spiked during the first weeks of the Obama administration but has now fallen to the lowest level in nearly three years. On a related topic, one of the president’s earliest initiatives, his promise to close the prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, initially received mixed reviews but is now opposed by most Americans".
rtr
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
Friday, November 06, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8
Hey the Kenyan gained one point back on approval but still by far the lowest of any president that has only been in for less than a year..
rtr
Rob, I can see why you arn't welcome at the CATO any more since at least an 1/8 of my posts have come from there.
Oh little robbie, No one wants you any more, Boo Hoo.
rtr
Rob
However, real people with real problems, plus pieces of cr#p like one of our notorious writers, makes the Goal "way out there in the Future".
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Oh little robbie there is no mistaking your "Highly UNeducated" insults.
Yep Pete was right you would be back and can never tell the truth, "So much for you deleteing me from your eyesight"...LOL
rtr
Hey Bronco, What is the count now about you saying you were leaving and then lied and keep coming back "Oh yeah" ump-teen times not counting the rest of you liberal losers counts for the same lies.
By the way how did you like the article exposing you losers in the Wall Street Journal, it was roght on the money wasn't it?
Rob123
Bronco....Benznd The only problem with Libertarianism is that Real People join it and drag in their little neurotic selves and then use it (the Philosophy) to justify all types of self centered baloney. As a Political Philosophy, it's a goal I try (and tried) for, and I'm still a member in good standing with the CATO Institute.......However, real people with real problems, plus pieces of cr#p like one of our notorious writers, makes the Goal "way out there in the Future". A huge lifting up of consciousness......Even my highly educated Doctor Golfing buddies, who tend toward Libertarianism with alarming regularity; yet after some belts of Snake Oil Medicine, by the 15th hole or so, it becomes apparent that their quest for Liberty has a lot to do with their $500,000.00+ salary and sleeping with the new, young nurses; of course they want Tolerance! They've got the dream. However, they are NOT Libertarians, in my mind. However, after everyone sobers up and goes home and thinks about the arguement, nothing changes and we all still golf together.
rtr
The Liberal Paradigm: Always in need of sheep so that there may be shepherds
by Jason
“John Steele Gordon writing for the Wall Street Journal nails the liberal ideology that permeates in our political system. Today’s leftist liberal ideology is a decedent of progressivism in the early 20th century. They were the crusaders that penned their movement on “groups” in society (as the article addresses). Sons and daughters of abolitionist, these progressives sought to bypass the civic squabbles and do away with localism and states’ rights. They dared not to suffer the ignorant nor their peculiar low class habits and traditions. They only wished to guide and instruct them to a better way. Therefore they engineered a path towards an activist government that would permanently address and watch over the other half that was, in their view, incapable of watching over themselves. After all, they new better. On this went and developed into New Liberalism, Socialism and Communism here in the U.S. And the perpetual struggle for justice, “speaking truth to power,” and embracing victimhood proudly instead of opportunity and success — gave birth to the modern Democrat Party”.
Bronco
I smell bait. Is Donald in the room?
rtr
Bronco
Benznd, looks like the Libertarians are the party of tolerance. What shame is there in that? Though I don't agree with all of it.
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The reason you don't agree with it is because you don't believe in freedom of and for the people of the USA and think they should be controled by the government and have their wealth given to you.
Rob123
Woody: "Nat Be sure and call the Army investigators and let them know that you have cracked the case. You can save them all the trouble of actually investigating it." I agree with you 100%.....Investigations and thinking can really mess with knee j*rk prejudices.
benznd
Natres: You see, Rob and I can view BSA or GSA and in essence agree to disagree. The BSA or GSA are not "bad" in their intent. It is what has come of it, from my point of view. Being kicked out of BSA at the age of 12 may have influenced my attitude. (-: A genetically radical dude? Ha
rts thinks I read his comments. I just want to set the record straight. If I see that he is directing comments towards me, I briefly peruse for inflammatory comments then move on. Otherwise I ignore. There was a very brief moment when I saw some posts by others indicting a return to a level of civility by rtr. Perhaps one turkey buzzard does not mean spring is around the corner, or something like that.
Natres: Danang 1966. Not sure what you are thinking about. Also, I never left this country, just like I never left GM. This country and GM left me. Nixon and Reagan early on did it for me. That and being asked by a BIG cowpoke in Big Timber why I had a mustache and that he didn't like it. Whew! Big dude, you are not talking to some flower child here. I would rather go to the hospital then take your cr*ap. That was not the only threat I dealt with during that time. Kept from eating in a nice lounge in Livingston because of the length my hair. Flat out bigotry. That was the country I was living in. And remember, when I joined the ASAF in 1963. Blacks could not eat or drink or ride with white folk. What was so great about that time? Handicapped kids were not allowed in public schools? My dad threw his used cigarette packs out the window. We threw old lead based paint cans in the dump, which in my case was parallel to the Yellowstone, about 75 feet. The pollutants from the refinery by the river blanketed the community where I lived when the wind was out of the south. In the summer, when my cousin and I slept out, a spray plane buzzed our community in the early AM, spraying DDT to kill bugs. You get the point Natres. We were dumping all kinds of industrial waste and sewage in the major rivers and oceans of our country. When I worked for the NP, I called (went into bars) engineers, firemen, brakemen to report to duty at specific times. Drinking and running trains? Teachers (some) came to work drunk, threw kids around with impunity, smoked in the teacher's lounge, yet railed against smoking and drinking by teens? What country did you grow up in Natres.
Bronco
SorrySOB, and sorry I did google your suggestion. Donald Creese again. If he really is in this room then we know the real source of the stench; the man is just smelling his rancid self reacting to other human beings of a different pigmentation. We could use him truffle hunting.
nat-res, Crusades anyone? Every muslim is not a terrorist. If religion were run by the government, at least half the country would be against it...well, it's a start. You ever watch Full Metal Jacket? That was my DI. Sullivan was his name. He pushed us hard and one of us tried to hit him with a rifle stock. 1970, oh, the memories, the nightmares. And you guys keep bringing it up like it's some sort of badge. It's really a scar.
Benznd, looks like the Libertarians are the party of tolerance. What shame is there in that? Though I don't agree with all of it.
rtr
Nat
grow a pair and rid the house from the insects that cause disease and other nasty things.
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The problem is "Nat" we have to many enemy sympathizers like Rob, Benznd, Bronco and the rest right here in our own country along with a government that has NO leadership with enemy sympathizers like the Kenyan right in our own government.
The ones that are willing to take care of business That are in government need another terrorist attack to get more support for expanding the war with vigor like they should have done to begin with when they started to carpet bomb the entire part of Afghanistan.
The problem with what happened at the Army Base yesterday only allows for more socialism / Marxism to be dished out from the government in the name of homeland security.
“Nat” I don’t know if you have seen these yet but they are quite interesting.
Google “Boeing releases Airborne Laser video”
rtr
Unemployment report today is 10.2% and going up, With that in mind Pelosi just came out more determind to put Kenyan Death Care back in the front line.
The correlation is keep the people unemployed and in need and the government can more easiy push there socialist cr*p through.
Obama's stimulus has done nothing but pay back campaign funders and fund garbage like what benznd posted yesterday when what we need right now is REAL jobs.
benznd
The Libertarian Party (LP) today expressed its approval of the Obama administration's new, more laissez-faire policy toward medical marijuana.
William Redpath, chairman of the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) commented, "Make no mistake, the Libertarian Party is opposed to President Obama's health care plans, and his speech last night has not budged us. But we also opposed Republican plans for big-government health care, many of which have been implemented in recent years."
America’s third largest party challenged House and Senate Democrats Monday to fully commit to the equal justice for gay and lesbian Americans by rejecting a proposed hate crimes law and repealing the Defense of Marriage Act and the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy barring military service by “out” gays and lesbians.
"But the world being a diverse place, it will include not only people who accept the principles of libertarianism but also those who do not. What should be libertarianism's attitude to those who disagree with libertarian principles? In the Federation of Liberty the answer is that the principle of libertarianism should be extended to cover not simply the treatment of those who believe in it but the treatment of all persons.That is to say, it would tolerate in its midst even those who do not accept the principles of libertarianism. Such persons are free to go about their business unimpeded, provided they do not aggress against others. If they are numerous enough, they might form their own communities or groups, and live by their own lights. If they will not aggress against libertarians, then libertarians will not aggress against them."
Judge Sotomayor’s ruling in cases such as Ricci v. DeStefano, overturned by the Supreme Court, violates the Libertarian belief in equality under the law. Judge Sotomayor’s ruling in cases such as Maloney v New York and United States v Sanchez-Villar violated basic rights protected under the Second Amendment. Judge Sotomayor’s ruling in Didden v. Village of Port Chester violated personal property rights and affirmed the power of government to confiscate property for purposes beyond public use. Judge Sotomayor also has a long and troubling history of ruling on cases based on personal feelings and prejudices, rather than the letter of the law.
America’s third largest party Wednesday criticized senators voting against an amendment establishing concealed carry reciprocity between all states and reminded them voters have a record of holding gun rights opponents accountable on Election Day.
SorrySOB
Let's play a new game. I'm kind of tired of the same old same old. Do a Google search using the following terms: topix blacks kalispell smell
Click the first link that comes up. Beware. I am warning you that it is hate talk against blacks and very racist. If you are disgusted as I am about that, you may choose not to go there. By the way, as you can see, I didn't mention anyone's name here. It is simply public information I found while browsing the net. There is plenty more where that came from. I wonder who would post such a thing. Obviously someone who is a racist and hates blacks. I wonder who.. Stay tuned.
Woody
Nat Be sure and call the Army investigators and let them know that you have cracked the case. You can save them all the trouble of actually investigating it.
Woody
Hey COWARD, shut up about Viet Nam. The only thing you know about Viet Nam is how to mispronounce it. Man up.
naturalresources
Rob, I wouldn't have too much sympathy for Major Hasan if I were you. I'm sure there were "red flags" throughout his career and the politically correct liberal machine kept pushing him along to appease his sorry @ss. I knew doctors and other officers (having been affiliated with the medical field while in service to my country) who went down this path of granduer and supposed superiority toward the very people they were in charge of. In those days, they were dealt a swift blow to their rank and position of authority and sometimes even dismissed from the military altogether. Other officers were man or woman enough to recognize it for what it was and address the situation as needed. End of story....grow a pair and rid the house from the insects that cause disease and other nasty things. STOP playing "namby pamby" with these terrorists. But no.........you'll continue to make every excuse in the world to protect these scum who hate us.
rtr
faithful idiot
Bronco, I like the Old Blue character. I hope he sticks around.
Also, glad to see some interesting discussion has returned to this forum
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Are you looking for a friend when it comes to old bull, Be careful you might give him a big hug and a kiss like little robbie did with jack and then find out he isn't quit as fond of you Marxists as you thought he was.
Interesting conversation would be "Nat" but if you are talking about Benznd and his Obama pork fat with batteries you need to do some research too.
Or was it Bronco and Benznd promoting terrorist acts committed in the USA to be a good thing that tickled you so much.
Rob123
Pete: "Rob...is that a different "Bravo" than the one you gave Benznd for his comparison of the Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth? Or is it a different one?" I was a Boy Scout, my son was one, and now my grandson is a Cub Scout who got his first merit badge last week. Benznd is on to something, if one just allows their child to join any old 'Pack' without knowing if the 'Pack leader' has an agenda. Like everything in life, it has a good or bad value......Paying attention helps, unless your a Libertarian with an arsenal of Pogey Bait. Then you can sit back and chuckle at all the nottheads and their reactions, I guess. A comfortable position for a condescending old fart, eh?
Rob123
It certainly will be interesting to understand why Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan went off the deep end. Some troubling signs while he was still at Walter Reed, although his position of dealing everyday with very troubled soldiers and their own personal stories is probably a story in itself. I did notice natural resource's attempt to turn it into what Old Blue would call Pogey Bait, a term I too had to google.....it fits......(and no, I am not Old Blue. I don't have the writing skills to pull that off). Anyway, this episode and the increased rate of suicides/domestic abuse in the military all should be pointing out to us citizens, no matter the ideology, that STRESS is at or near the breaking point in the Army and Marines, fighting 2 wars for ? reason. Like Vietnam, the grunt on the ground is fighting for survival of his squad, buddies; and a trip home sitting up. Been there, did that. However, the coverage of real time events and real time thinking and real time experiences of soldiers is so censored that our Citizens Army is no longer 'known' by us citizens. How did this happen? Partly in response to the coverage of Vietnam, for sure. But holy smokes, how did it get this complete? And why do we allow it? I watch BBC news a lot, just because they actually go out and cover real stories on the ground in real time, all over the world. We've gotten comfortable with quasi-intellectual debates over abstract notions of good and bad and putting the bill on our credit card for future payment. Of course, Pete is NOT responsible for any of this because he is a Libertarian. I, however, don't have that emotional luxury.
faithful reader
Bronco, I like the Old Blue character. I hope he sticks around.
Also, glad to see some interesting discussion has returned to this forum.
rtr
Bronco, I suppose that would be like the guy that just killed 13 people and wounded another 31 today at OUR military base. "Another Muslim loser that you think more of than you do real Americans". "You are pathetic and d*mn near criminal".
rtr
"Nat" When you were addressing Benznd about being in Viet Nam.
There is a huge difference between You being in country at war than there was for Benznd Chauffeuring Jane Fonda around the country sympathizing with the enemy.
NOTE: I did not say that to be humorous or insulting either by the way, Just calling it the way it is.
Bronco
nat-res, you bring up the same points that Muslims in other countries do. Be very careful here. Pot calling the kettle black. I hold the same view as you do only I go all the way and say do away with ALL religious ideology. It breeds violence, senseless violence. What gGod except a man-made gGod would support the slaughter of our fellow human beings for the simple matter of belief in hHim? One way to determine if your gGod is man-made is if hHe hates the same people you do. Dogmas should be kept on a short leash. This horrific act today will not have a peaceful ending. Blood will be spilled, and in most cases, innocent blood.
As far as Old Blue goes, I don't think old fish rise to the bait. And hey, Old Blue, pogey bait (an arcane term I found out) fits the bill perfectly. And then icing the cake with 'queen', I gotta tell ya man, most of us have wondered about this. Now we know his wife's name is probably Bruce or Kevin.
naturalresources
Infiltration of our military forces by murderous persons of differing political ideologies would seem to me to be a terrorist tact........much like the terrorists who flew planes into the World Trades Centers after assimilating with our culture and society and work force and exceptional educational facilities. When will the left atone for their lack of awareness to the obvious, intentional attacks on our very existence ....I.E. the labeling of US as the infidels.? How can you go blindly into the night while tripping over the very evil that means to take you back to the stone age?
naturalresources
Dr, Benznd, you appear to have had a similar background to mine, although I never became a doctor. My observation from your lengthy prior comment, however, leads me to believe that you have succumbed to a severe case of liberal phsycosis disorder that has led you down a path of self rightious indignation toward conservatives. Did you ever say what time frame you were in Danang? I m not trying to minimize your presence here; just want to try and figure out when you left your country behind, and why you believe the current administration is the answer to all our troubles......marxism, socialist, communist oreinted behaviour seems extreme, given the lifestyle you and your liberal friends were afforded while growing up in this once free country.
rtr
Old Blue
tossing out insults like they was pogey bait and everybody scampering and dancing for his amusement tells me he or she is the queen.
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Speaking of insults, Let see here you must be one of little robbies Marxist platform builder friends or are you little robbie himself since the shame of it would be for him to show his face after what he has stated at least 50 times and reincarnation right here in front of us would be a miracle..."But only in his deleted eyesight"
Maybe it is the new Messiah, Can it be true is the Kenyan really in our presents using the addy of Old Blue.
rtr
Hey benznd are you aware lithium for the batteries is only found in China and Batery power is alreadt obsolete when is come to being a power sourse for any practical or last us for energy.
A house if it is 12 volt, A car for a few miles, IDIOT
Do your research there Mr beet farmer.
rtr
Yep you were right Pete, They just can't leave the Catnip alone.
Even Benznd says he ignores my posts and then he turns around and explains why since he has just been reading them. "I can see his head spinning in circles as i am posting right now...."How stupid can you get"
What is it with you libberal losers not being able to tell the truth.
You must take your Que for the Kenyan like he did today with stating AARP was backing his Death Care like they have a choice since it is funded by the government..LOL
Hey Rawhide you sure are getting a lot of kisses by the liberal side since you look like you are on the fence to them with either being conservative or liberal. "Careful they will pull you apart fighting over you".."That beet farmer and the high heeled Woody are a ruff crowd..........Too Funny
benznd
rawhide, an example of going green. PhysOrg.com) -- A spinoff company from Arizona State University plans to build a new battery with an energy density 11 times greater than that of lithium-ion batteries for just one-third the cost. With a $5.13 million research grant from the US Department of Energy awarded last week, Fluidic Energy hopes to turn its ultra-dense energy storage technology into a reality.
benznd
I must be doing something right as Pete has come a bit unglued. He still will not share and I believe the reason is that he thinks he doesn't need to. And, he is right? I wonder if Pete's offspring are BSA or GSA. I once was. Wore my uniform proudly. Then I grew up and saw it for what it was/is. Just my take Pete, and I stick with it.
I too just skip over some of the posts, as they are not worth the effort. I do think rawhide is a reasonable individual. I read his posts and I think about what he is saying. Don't agree very much, but that is beside the point.
Pete, are you SURE you did not see any teabaggers with guns? Are you sure? They are the disenfranchised of our big umbrella country brother pete. They are the bitter, angry individuals who have experienced sand in the face. They want to get even, they just do not know the enemy.
Your turn Scout Master. Three fingered salute to you.
Old Blue, are you for real? You see, some of us think that there are a few alter egos in play here. I do enjoy what you say and wish for you to just jump right in.
Woody
When I am called a communist I laugh because I know that I am not a communist. When someone calls me stupid, I consider the source. Man up. Take your viagry and give that woman some lovin.
Old Blue
If this opinion is entitled "Watch your back if you are a conservative" then this discussion would aptly be named "Watch your back if you ain't." That main feller here, and I'll use that term if I want to thank you, tossing out insults like they was pogey bait and everybody scampering and dancing for his amusement tells me he or she is the queen. I can see why a respectable man would jump ship. But here's the thing, if everybody jumps ship then who's left at the helm? Discussing the discussers is not the point of the exercise. I don't fall under the liberal banner but I think that anybody who boasts of being a full bird conservative must have some issues that they need to look at closely. God don't approve of such mean ideas towards other people.
rtr
Woody
They are definitely me.
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She figured they were yours, What she said was is that you are stupid, Don't confuse that with her thinking they were someone elses posts.
rtr
Het Pete, Here is a visual for you.
The Church Lady walks into the pet food store in her long dress asks the clerk where the CATNIP is, Buys it and then goes out and get's into her flower painted VW, Then rambles down the road to her bright purple house where all her kittens are with the names of Bronco, Woody, SorrySOB, Benznd and she bends over and scratches each and every one of them behind the ear and says I have a treat for you little buddies and pulls out the CATNIP and let's them go crazy over it.
All of a sudden out from under the sofa, with claws out, scratching and hissing comes Bighorn and sensible on a dead run in full attack mode..
The Church Lady says OH babies I have missed you so much and so happy to see you and all of a sudden being Liberal Marxist and aliened with the Third Reich kitties they all stand rigid and look at the Church Lady after rolling in the CATNIP they attack her with a vengance and eat her all gone.
I know there is moral to the story, I'm just not quite sure what it is?........{-:
Yep my money is with yours, They'll be back.
Woody
Mrs r I am sorry you have to read about your cowardly husband. But, I am just treating him the way he has been treating people here. P S you are wrong about everything except the one liners. They are definitely me.
rtr
Woody
rtr You are still a coward and you still need to man up.
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You know Woody my wife has read most of these posts in the last two days and said you were just stupid and never had so much as one intellegent thing to say and only attacked me with stupid one liners.
Her thought was you are young and can't get any and it is driving you crazy.
rtr
Pete
Rob's last post is the ump-teenth time I've heard these cats swear off you....My money says they'll be back hissing away in no time....Lol. That is FUNNY.
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That Cat Nip was right on, Too funny.
I have heard they were leaving, Swear off me, Abuse me "I mean the button", You name it and it is always because I am such a bad guy.
Hey Rawhide, It's 12 dead, 31 Injured right now. It does not appear to be a terrorist attack..
Rawhide
FOX News: Something is happening on base at Fort Hood, Tex. Multiple shootings, 7 dead, 20+ injured, 1 suspect in custody, 2 suspects being sought on base.
Woody
rtr You are still a coward and you still need to man up.
Pete
rtr....hold on man....I have to catch my breath....laughter, laughter, laughter.
Pete
lol....rtr....I have a new name for you...Catnip.
From that evil Wikipedia sight...... "Catnip and catmints are mainly known for the behavioral effects they have on cats, particularly domestics.[8] When cats sense the bruised leaves or stems of catnip, they may roll over it, paw at it, chew it, lick it, leap about and purr, or heavily salivate. Some will growl, meow, scratch, or bite the hand holding it. Often, eating too much can cause cats to be overtly aggressive; typically making them hiss."
Rob's last post is the ump-teenth time I've heard these cats swear off you....My money says they'll be back hissing away in no time....Lol. That is FUNNY.
rtr
Rob
rtr....You are one sick puppy. As of right now, I no longer recognize your existence. You are deleted totally from my eyesight.
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Hey Pete, If I have something I would like little Robbie to see will you repost it for me so little Robbie can see it since he has deleted me from his eyesight?
rtr
Rob
rtr....You are one sick puppy. As of right now, I no longer recognize your existence. You are deleted totally from my eyesight.
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Was it me telling the truth about Obama or the fact that you had so much Marxist clout that made you mad?
Rob123
rtr....You are one sick puppy. As of right now, I no longer recognize your existence. You are deleted totally from my eyesight.
rtr
By the way Little Robbie, It was MSNBC that was calling the Kenyan a liar after I had already caught it when he was making his speech about AARP.
Guess you better get right on the phone and call MSNBC and tell them to quit pointing out what a liar and failure the Kenyan is..."With your power and clout I am sure they will even start selling Marxism and Communism for you".
rtr
Rob
rtr: " "Maybe some things are just best left alone how is that"." Are you man enough to take your own advice?
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Would that be that you want me to leave your Marxist / Communist beliefs alone?
By the way I pointed out Obama was being caught in another out right lie just like most of the speeches he makes which are all teleprompted lies, He's so stupid he can't even practice a speech and repeat it he has to read it from the teleprompter "What is your point"?
Pete
"NFL Player's Gay Slurs a Personal Foul?Petition calls for Kansas City Chiefs' Larry Johnson to be sacked following homosexual slurs posted on Twitter".........Good thing you're not in the NFL Benznd. Lol...
Rob123
So now your calling the President a liar? Geez, rtr: read this......"The term "Napoleon complex" has been used in scientific research on the phenomenon of smaller organisms acting aggressively towards larger organisms. In contrast to the many examples of larger organisms acting aggressively towards smaller organisms in the animal kingdom, some studies of aggressive behavior in organisms have detected cases where smaller individuals initiate aggression.[8] A 1995 study of contests between males in the swordtail fish species Xiphophorus nigrensis and Xiphophorus multilineatus found that 78% of observed fights were initiated by the smaller fish, and in 70% of fights the fish that delivered the first bite lost the conflict.[9] From an evolutionary perspective, this "Napoleon complex" behavior seems irrational.[8]
Posited explanations include an asymmetry in the value of the contested resource to the two combatants (the individual with lower resource holding potential may attack first if the value of the resource is greater for him), a misconception on the part of the weaker organism about his own strength, and the "Desperado Effect", where omega males attack because they have no other opportunities to gain resources.[10]
Ohio University researchers have suggested another explanation, that the stronger contestant benefits from delaying escalating a display to a fight, "leaving the initiative to the opponent and hoping for him to retreat, either because of realistic perception of his chances to win the fight or by mistake. [...] our proposed explanation for what is commonly considered the 'Napoleon Complex' might be appropriately identified as the 'Gentle Giant Syndrome.'"[11]
A University of Glasgow study concluded that a Napoleon complex evolutionarily stable strategy, where smaller individuals are more aggressive than larger opponents, is possible when smaller individuals display and larger individuals retreat; this may occur when the smaller individual has some chance to win a fight and resources are abundant and of relatively low value.[8]
Pete
Rob...is that a different "Bravo" than the one you gave Benznd for his comparison of the Boy Scouts to Hitler Youth? Or is it a different one?
rtr
Bronco, You remind me of Obama telling his lies on TV right now.
He is stating AARP supports his Death Care, What a Joke since AARP is proped up by the government through Hartford Insurance so they have no choice but to back it. "What a joke and MSNBC is making a complete fool and joke of him for it".
Yep, Baaa, Baaa, Baaa, Here is your governmental feed little buddy would you like a spoon with that, Maybe I can even put the spoon in your mouth for you little buddy..
Pete
Benznd..... "Screw the rules if they need to be screwed. Take up arms? OH MY. Is that part of the Libertarian/Conservative persona. Happened to see it at the teabaggers conventions. Did you miss it?"
Nope, didn't see anyone "take up arms" at a Teaparty protest...only thing I saw was a 135 pound black man beaten by some SEIU thugs while he was protesting healthcare....Something that actually did happen...not something you dreamed up in your persecuted psyche. Furthermore, I see in a grand display of tolerance, you are throwing around the teabagging term as an attempted insult? You don't need to be so subtle....you can just come straight out and use the "F*****t" word if it makes you feel better...either way you just end up looking silly and hurting your argument. I said it before and I'll say it again...Wiley E. Coyote has nothing on your self destructive behaviour. Beep Beep.
Rob123
rtr: " "Maybe some things are just best left alone how is that"." Are you man enough to take your own advice?
and Dr. Benznd.....Once again, Bravo. Good thinking. and Welcome Home!
rtr
By Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – Australia
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians'.
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'
'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'
'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'
rtr
To Bronco, Baaa, Baaa, Baaa,Baaa, Baaa, Calling Mr Mutton.
Bronco
Benznd, loved your post but don't count on it spurring the non-thinkers into any revelations. They seem only to 'listen' to the comforting epistemology of images, they shun real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and personal narratives. Their political propaganda masquerades as ideology. Any cognitive or self-critical skills they may have once possessed have been abandoned for the easy road of having others tell them what they believe. Rawhide still shows signs of life and Pete is salvageable. But the close-minded, angry, hateful, self-deluded guy/gal has been completely taken over by the pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation manipulations of his masters. He confuses how he feels with knowledge. I pity the fool.
rtr
Bronco
At least I have a 'mantality.
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Yeah, That of a sheep, Mr, Mutton.
Bronco
At least I have a 'mantality.'
rtr
Rob
Anger attached to a couple word/concepts
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The ONLY anger I have is pointed towards the governemt making slaves out of the people and the sheep looking for handouts that promote it's existance.
Note: Little Robbie when the economy is doing good the people are not looking for handouts from the government near as much.
There is a clue in that as to why Obama LOVES this high unemployment rate and plans to keep this way as long as he can in order to implement his Socialism to enslave the people to the government while he still can..
benznd
Woody, Rob and can't remember who all served during that time, I am going to say something to Rawhide, rtr, and Pete that I hope represents us in some aspect. Soldiers, I was an Airman, in a combat zone generally are not thinking about the Commander and Chief. I was CMA at all times. Waking up from a deep sleep realizing everyone is running for the muddy yucky ground level bunker in their skivies yelling. Being on constant subconscious alert 24/7. Perhaps for some, their thoughts may of been on Washington and who was leading us and their political philosophy, as for me, "duck you sucker." We were hit hard by Buddhist rebels, so I was told, working on the perimeter of Camp DaNang. NEVER will I forget the freaky sound of absolute silence following a mortar round. Looking up to see if you were about to be overrun, and without a weapon to protect yourself. There was a fellowship and bond formed with others who feared for their lives 24/7. PTSD? Suicide? Long term health issues such as Rob? Not sure about Woody. I was there prior to Agent Orange. We are here today, survivors of a, let's see, how did the Full Bird put it a bit ago. Police action? Minor skirmish? We have BEEN there friends. Been there. Our collective wisdom from that time has become very pertinent for the survival of this country. How many young men and women were killed there? 50,000+. Korea? Now, the mideast. How many dead in the month of October? Making fun of the president who went to Dover to honor the returning dead? Tough talk from those who have NO CLUE. Keep a strong military rawide ah rawhide? We have all the planes and bunker busters we need to control any conflict, anywhere, when ALL we need is shock and awe. Plenty. But shock and awe only kills the innocent and excites the uninformed in this country. Hand-to-hand or close quarter war is a toss up. We bleed just like they bleed. So, WE know what we are talking about with the suicides and tragedies of war. Listen to us. We won't steer you wrong.
Some of us have/had companies of our own. We pay/paid our taxes. I paid mine for 40+ years. I had my own corp for 20+ years and paid corp and personal taxes. Yet, for some reason, I continue to promote unity and better treatment for our less fortunate citizens. That translates into money and prioritization.
I laid myself open to all. Those few, like rtr and Pete and Rawhide chose to take shots as opposed to laying themselves open. I stand by what I said. None of you have said what YOU stand for. I asked Pete to explain himself several times. All we got from him was, was, ah, nutten. Just B and M about THEM or THOSE. How does a Libertarian/Conservative raise their kids to become Libertarian/Conservative? Following rules? Treatment of others? Thinking of self above all else? Condemnation of those with differing views? Screw the rules if they need to be screwed. Take up arms? OH MY. Is that part of the Libertarian/Conservative persona. Happened to see it at the teabaggers conventions. Did you miss it?
rtr, what in the heck was your comment about? Trip the flood gates? I live in this country man. I am a 5th, counting my actual great grandparents on down, generation Montanan. 7th if you count a generation as 20 years. I will be 65 in another month. I have four productive children. Who are you? I have served the undervalued of this country my entire life. Because I had my own corp, I worked 24/7 to keep making money so that I could provide some of the better things in life for my family. When you have your own business, everything depends upon your productivity and the success you have with those who wish to continue contracting with you. No umbilical cord. No 15 minute breaks or negotiated lunch time, etc. I am not taking that away from anyone and not being condescending towards employees. I am trying to make a point here. Do not come across as superior to me because you are not. Neither you or Rawhide or Pete el. al. Rawhide, we spend more on this WAR? in one day, never mind a month or year, then it would take to provide every citizen of this country with free health care, top rate educational systems, etc. It is a question of priorities.
Those of us who have been "close" to "the shrapnel went west and I was east" if you get my meaning. Those of us who have actually experienced "true fright" and have lived with it forever, tell you and others that we need to come home and we need to put our money into resources with the altruistic humanity that comes with the wisdom of the older generation. This is not our country anymore. It belongs to the youth. We have f'ed things up enough. Give the youth a chance to live in a country which values humanity, personal and religious freedom, capitalism with caps and regs, free higher ed for all. Mandatory service to our country. ON and ON.
Now, tell us specifically what you all WANT. Or do you just WANT to call me a socialist? I do want to know all about a Libertarian/Conservative and whatever else Pete talked about a couple of weeks ago. Remember?
rtr
Rob:
I guess you don't get to hang with them much? I'm a life member of both.
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By the way little Robbie I am more than welcome there, Ever go to the one in Bigfork where you fist come into town at the top of the hill, "Maybe some things are just best left alone how is that".
rtr
Bt the way Rob, Have you noticed the Unions are gone for the most part, Let's just "Hope for Change" and that the government goes by the way side like they did.
The only pupose for the government is to protect us from our enemies and not to feed the lazy socialists that walk the streets and post here.
rtr
Rob
Anger attached to a couple word/concepts
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The ON:Y anger I have is pointed towards the governemt making slaves out of the people and the sheep looking for handouts that promote it's existance.
Rob123
rtr: "Does that work for Your Enquiring Mind." We have hardly scratched the surface.
I truely want to know what makes you tick. Your holding something back, and all we see out here is your Anger attached to a couple word/concepts. When I get back from the bank, and reconcile all my (Socialist ?) accounts and pay some of my (Socialist?) vendors, maybe I will have time to further investigate your ways. I really am interested. There are a lot of angry people like you, just most of them sit at the VFW telling old war stories (if they are liberal) or at the American Legion (if they are conservative). I guess you don't get to hang with them much? I'm a life member of both. And try to help when I can. Sometimes listening is all that is needed.
rtr
Bronco
And Woody, I agree with your last post.
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I see your still the stupid j*rk you were before you left last time. You keep promicing to just go away, You haven't been able to tell the truth ever and now you are sticking up for a lying child like Woody......"Good for you, It points out your sheep like mantality"
rtr
Rob
Enquiring Minds want to know.
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Ok Rob, You keep digging at that Union thing and it is a fair shot.
Times change, At one time I even leaned towards the Democratic Party before it was HiJacked by the Liberal Socialist Loons that run it today and turned it into the New Socialist Party. "Does that surprise you".
Union experience:
Columbia Falls Aluminum Plant for four years which was dangerous running a pin crane and then working in the mines in the Silver Valley at Bunker Hill which was very dangerous but they both paid great at the time do to the unions.
The Aluminum Plant went to a non liquid pitch to make their carbon blocks so that was no longer a safety issue and the Mines also done everything they can to make them as safe as possible. "No union needed any more"
The advent of the Technology with the Dot Com which entered into all areas of the market place and has made unions the problem and not the solution if you are willing to work and apply yourself.
I was able to excell in this enviroment and that is how I got to have a nice retirement and the sky is the limit for anyone that wants to apply themselves today in the work place and not just in the Technology field.
Where the real problem comes in now is the Government seen the unions were making money off their corruption and they wanted a piece of the action so now you have the government run union by the New Socialist Democratic Party which does nothing but take the people freedoms away from them and taxes the H*LL out of them instead of the unions collecting union dues.
"There is NO excuse for looking to the government for handouts" "The government does not want to give up its coruption of making slaves of the people however so they try to FORCE their WE'LL SAVE YOU mantality on the ignorant which by reading some of these posts it works on some people"
The only real thing I like about the Republican Party is the Ideology of small government which they don’t seem to do very well and upholding the Constitution and Bill of Rights which Bush didn’t do worth a d*mn.
The way I see it is our founding fathers should have thrown out all the English loyalists and an additional amendment to the Bill of Rights should have read that any Marxist / Communists is to be considered a threat to this country and considered a terrorist. “But then again Obama wouldn’t be the president if that were the case now would it”
Does that work for Your Enquiring Mind.
Bronco
Old Blue, I quit this site for a few days, come back to see if things have changed for the better, and there's this old goat staring at his words. OK, I thought, new guy. But your take is refreshing and I can find no fault with your thinking. The rules-and-glue post concerning society is spot on; I appreciate your perspective and welcome to the room. There are smarts, intelligence, and wit running back and forth across the floor here. I see a couple have already questioned your style of delivery but in any guise, I hope we all can recognize wisdom when we see it. My grandfather was born in 1912. He said 'fellers' when addressing a group of men too. I had to look up 'chancre mechanic.' My wife came in to see what I was laughing about. That's some rich language you got there, pard. And Woody, I agree with your last post.
Woody
rtr What a piece of work you are. You have the nerve to call a man who went to Viet Nam and fought communism face to face a commie. And, he did all this while you sat on your backside whining about how tough you have it. Man up!!!!!
Rob123
rtr.....I just don't know what to say. It would appear you come from, and where part of, that fine tradition in the Silver Valley of going out on strike for 6months to 18 months over 25cents an hour. I honestly never understood such thinking, but I also didn't cross the picket line. Lost some tanker loads, but gained on the Retail End. I guess that firmly puts me into the Socialist/Wobblies/Union camp, in your mind? When did you have a change of thinking, while retaining your 'hard as a rock' persona? Enquiring Minds want to know.
rtr
The latest bad news, The Government owned Fannie Mae and Freedie Mac are asking people to hand the title of their homes over to them instead of foreclosure and then rent from them for a year and then in a year they can refinance it.
Such a deal, Now Obama wants to turn the government into a slum lord too.
That d*mn Kenyan won't give up until he does everything he can to turn this country into the old and failed USSR.
Source: MSNBC
rtr
Great news, The slow death of socialism that has started to happen this week with Obama's Death Care being put out a year and the Global Warming fraud being EXPPOSED right up to the Whitehouse steps making a fool out of Al Gore and Obama both is making the Stock Market soar.
Rawhide
Rob: I'd love to respond, but have things to do right now. Later.
rtr
Rob
I was accepted because I wasn't afraid to get dirty and sweat.
The fact that I was college educated and well read was forgiven.
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You are forgiven for that, No problem in fact I have some college too.
What is not and would not be accepted is standing on the street corner by Norm's news with a Red Flag with the Hammer and Cycle saying come here I'll sign you up like you are doing from time to time here and like Benznd seems to do all the time.
That did give me a hummorous visual of what you would look like on the corner of Norm's news after a few minutes of standing there acting like you do here hiding behind your keyboard. "I am just guessing they wouldn't be near as tolorant as i am."
Pete
"Old Blue"....tarnation yer a cark'ter. But I gotta tell ya feller, ya try any harder an' by golly, yer gonna pull somethin'.
Pete
Benznd says...." I believe all of the liberals have put their personal/political beliefs on the line for others to see. No conservative that posts here has EVER done that, ever." What? Lol....the good thing about a bad memory is that every day is a new experience, right Bimmer? Anyhow, glad to meet you Benznd, my name is Pete. :-)
Rob123
I wonder why I keep putting an s in Racist? I know how to spell it, yet when I type away, I end up with Rascist......o'well, it's the idea that counts......
Rob123
rtr: After a good nights sleep, reread your statement: "Benznd, You said it like a true communist and if you try to sell it again you will trip the flood gates if you know what I mean." In America, that is censorship. I say this nicely, and as an old fart who has worked around miners and mining and their 'way of life' all my life......I was the dude standing in 2 feet of mud with all my chains on my rig on top of some gGod forbidden mountain in the snowy rain pumping in 10,000 gallons of something to keep the operation going, and then go down the hill and have a few beers after work. Despite my shoulder length hair and full beard, I was accepted because I wasn't afraid to get dirty and sweat. The fact that I was college educated and well read was forgiven. Give it a try. Lighten up, yet maintain your conservative outlook through dialogue and convincing arguement. You have a point, but this isn't a Wage Fight with Big Management......and believe me when I say that as a Supplier, I had to deal with those tight wads ON EVERY FR+CKEN LOAD! By 1988 I quit driving one of the trucks (which I enjoyed!) and had to spend all day at the phone directing traffic and pushing paper. And getting my rearend chewed out and taking it when it was their fault for not ordering something on time. Goes with the territory.
Rob123
Rawhide: " Iran had a dictatorial monarchy under the Shaw’s reign and yes the U.S. was Iran’s primary backer (lots of cheap oil for U.S. cars). But the Shaw also westernized Iran , built schools , hospitals and made Iran the most educated country in the middle east. Not all bad." I agree.....However, for auguements sake, lets create a scenario and see how it fits. 1st), the Taliban are Afghanistanies who want a 12th century version of Islam. They were used by al qaeda and had nothing to do with 9/11. The only thing they HAD in common was a fundamentalist, oldtime religion. Then we came in (post 9/11)and pushed al qaeda into the mountains and now into Pakistan, but we are still hunting down and killing Taliban; and over the past 24 months other Warlords in other parts of the country, who don't like the Taliban and their form of Warlordism/Religion, have decided that America is looking and acting like an occupying force (it's been 8 years) and have started making strategic alliances with the Taliban (their enemy) inorder to push out the Invaders (their new, common enemy). In Vietnam in 1965, we could not distinguish between Communist-Nationalists-Buddhist -Anti-Government Peasants. They all became V.C. Gross oversimplification. In Afghanistan the same thing is happening.....2.).Lets say the Canadians decided to invade the Southeastern U.S. and put an end to the KKK and any other Rascist Movements with intel from the Southern Poverty Law Center, and install a Canadian Form of Parliamentary Democracy with it's "Human Rights Commission" inspecting everything. For the first few months, a lot of Americans sit back and think "It's about time someone cleaned this baloney up!". Five years later, The Olde South still occupied , a lot of folks who are not Rascist and not even "fundamentalist evangelical zealots" would be joining forces with 'the new oppressed' to push out this new form of 'enlightenment from above' because it's just not right. We are at a critical point in Afghanistan. I don't have the answer. I do, however, favor a rational withdrawal, thinking the Taliban have learned their lesson about al qaeda and their form of International Jihad by the rich Saudia Arabian Wahhabism sect of Islam. In fact, the next 9/11 style carnage could come from a penthouse at the Four Season's outside anytown in the world. We are spinning our wheels, burning cash, and putting way to many fine young people in harms way, with very little to show. In my opinion. P.S. Our high tech spy satellites are cool, but we need more Intel from the ground by native people. I think the CIA has enough contacts now, to actually do it, IF it is over it's WASP pre-9/11 fraternity boy clickiness.
faithful reader
I smell a rat, but it's an entertaining rat. Old Blue, I have octogenarians in my family and they don't say things like "fellers." Your persona is more like a century old. Are you beta-testing a character on here? The references to your "grandson" sure make me think so.
I admit, you've delighted me. Now I wonder if our resident irritation might also be another character being test-driven by an author to see how people respond. If so, it's beautiful the way you hijacked Frank's column right out from beneath him.
Please don't stop.
Old Blue
A real man can't get a word in edgewise with that feller at the helm. I'm starting to doubt his gender. Real men don't babble on like they got eternity ahead of them. And wasting all our time with nothing worth reading or thinking about. Don't know why you other fellers put up with it. Guess she's like the brook outside my home, after awhile you have to listen hard to hear it. Hey, you real men, thanks for putting up with my spelling last night. My grandson told me about those red lines under the words thats misspelled. Takes me a little more time but I'm a getting the hang of this speller check. And thanks for the good old Montana welcome. Nice to see civil and warm folks still living around here. My grandson says I have to be brief or I'll lose my audience. After looking at the swarm of debris that longwinded girl turns loose I got to agree with him. She's madder than a chancre mechanic. I stay up late because I like the nights and the sky filled with stars. Always like the Oh Dark Thirty watch when I was serving. So don't wait around for me daybreak. Us octogenarians need our beauty sleep. My grandson is trying to get a picture up there instead of that shadow character you all are so fond of.
Rawhide
rtd2: All your posts are getting to be a bore. Give it a break.
ZooTown024
I would love to join this discussion but it would appear I am to late and all has been hashed out by the thinking men.
ZooTown024
You guys must be a hit with the ladies.
rtr
Anotherwords you wore out your welcome every where else and you have noy where else to go right SorrySOB.
Bummer for you but I can sure understand why no other blog site wants you either..
SorrySOB
I'm not here to welcomed with open arms you idiot. That is the last thing I want and I'm not going anywhere. I want to see fools like you go crazy when you get off your medication. I tried to be civil but I guess there is no hope. As far as you telling me what to do, you can stick it. I don't take orders from any uneducated fat punk living in a shack on Haywire Gulch.
Rawhide
benznd: Considering all those things you want government to do for you; health care, medicare, social security (free housing too?), how much of your income are you willing to give the feds in order to provide for your needs? And when you go "green" (whatever the heck that means) how much more are you prepared to pay out in increased cost of living when we have no more American industry, and we quit cutting down those pretty trees people use to build homes. How "distressed" might you be without a military (or police force too) to protect you from those who would do you harm? Oh, apparently you haven't heard... Communism didn't work except for a few elite members like Vladimir Putin and the Russian mobsters. They are doing just fine.
rtr
• Your Home...The next big socialist takeover.
Liberal Democrats, who helped engineer the foreclosure problem, now stand to benefit from a government homeowner bailout. Intended to help homeowners on the brink of losing their homes, the impending foreclosure bailout will mirror the new bank bailout socialist policies.
We now see the government micromanaging financial institutions to the point of telling them how to pay employees, how, what and when to fly, what cars to drive and even when to re-decorate. No matter that the government doesn't have a voting presence on any board. Hey, they loaned you the money now do what they say!
Once the democrats figure out how to bail out those poor homeowners, they can implement a far grander social takeover of private citizens. Government will tell homeowners what cars are allowed in the garage, what light bulbs to use, that their homes must now comply with environmental standards where the cost will be tacked on to their mortgage to ensuring even more governmental control. Can you say socialism?
rtr
• by
Hilmar von Campe
Shall we allow them? The United States is close to be taken over from within by Barack Hussein Obama, a development similar to those in Germany at the beginning of the 1930s.
I grew up under the Nazis, and what I saw then there I see now here. There is nothing theoretical when I speak about what happens when a nation throws God out of government and society and when Christians become religious bystanders. I am not part of those who want some people to look bad by calling them Nazis, as Nancy Pelosi and so many people do nowadays. My writing is based on my own experience and that of my family. We were there.
The White House launched what could be called a “snitch” program by asking Americans to forward to a White House e-mail address anything regarding health care reform that they consider “fishy.” This should help the government, explains the White House director of new media, Macon Phillips, to uncover the truth about the president’s position and find the “disinformation” about health care “reform.” The “snitch” program is opening the door to Gestapo methods.
When I was a child, Gestapo agents took positions in front of our church and wrote down the names of those who entered. It was intimidation, and everybody knew what it meant to be of different opinion than the Nazi government. My parents entered the church nevertheless, along with us four children. My father, a civil servant, in spite of being sacked when the Nazis came to power, did not compromise. For my parents, the greatest preoccupation in those years was the integrity of us children whom they didn’t want to be infected by Nazi philosophy. The Gestapo had their informants everywhere, and they liked to discover through innocent children what their parents were up to. It was forbidden by law to listen to foreign radios and could lead to death penalty if found out. My father used to listen at 10 p.m. to the Swiss station Beromünster so we children wouldn’t notice.
According to media reports, the end-of-life-counseling, part of the health care “reform” in the bill before Congress, contains the philosophy that not all people have the same value for society and that, therefore, treatment for old people should be different than that for young people. In various television shows, the issue of the possibility of euthanasia is being discussed. This is also a criminal Nazi concept at the heart of their ideology. The Jews were declared by “law” to be less valuable than the Arian German race and eventually killed. Important for the Nazis also was the contribution of a person to society. Handicapped and old people were of no use to them. Therefore, they were led to a cost-saving death.
Our home in Germany was close to the Bodelschwinghsche Institute in Bethel, a complex where disabled people were looked after. When a Nazi commission arrived to pick up these people to be killed, the head of this Christian institution, Pastor Friedrich von Bodelschwing, put up such a ferocious and noisy battle for their lives that the commission had to give up and depart. But the euthanasia program nevertheless went ahead and was followed by the Holocaust. Does the health care project lead to an early end for old people for cost-saving reasons? One cannot trust the Democratic Party, which has abortion in its political platform and therefore is most likely also open to euthanasia. I prefer the clean direction of the patriotic tea party movement, which has taken our corrupt government establishment to task.
Obama did not visit Israel, our only democratic ally for many decades in the Middle East, but he made a speech to the Islamic nations and spoke of a new beginning. I did not hear him talk about the ceaseless firing of Arab missiles into Israel, asking them to begin change with themselves and stop firing missiles. Instead, he set up a Gestapo-like apparatus in the American Jerusalem Consulate to monitor Jewish movements in the neighborhoods of Jerusalem and the West Bank. Obama guaranteed the Palestinian Authority Israeli land they want, including East Jerusalem. Via the Israeli ambassador in Washington, he and Secretary of State Clinton try to dictate to the Israeli government what they should do and not do. At the same time, however, a senior adviser to PA President Mahmoud Abbas, Rashideh al-Mughrabi, declares in an interview with WND, “I don’t believe there are any civilians in Israel; all of Israel society is a military society and therefore a military target.” He joins Obama, who promotes abortion, in the philosophy that lives of others do not matter.
There are many discussions about what could be the real purpose of Barack Hussein Obama. It is important to know what his aims are to understand what we are facing.
In my book “Defeating the Totalitarian Lie,” I speak of the enemy within and the enemy outside. I have a list of enemies of God, a few names only as examples, just to make the reader understand the essentials. Obama represents the melting of the godless enemies within and outside the United States in what is the coup de grace for a corrupt society. With other words, Obama’s trillion-dollar projects belie a purpose to cripple the American economy and integrate a weak United States into the communist/socialist United Nations world order. This includes fake reasons to make the American people come along. If these projects became law, I believe, the middle class would have such strong financial difficulties that people would be unable to resist him. Therefore, rather than bipartisan understanding. rejection is the need of the hour.
The priority for Hitler as for Obama was then and is now to control the lifelines of their respective nations, which includes the silencing of the opposition so that they cannot be removed from power. I described in an earlier article how Hitler reached absolute power. Obama is struggling to get there.
What links the enemies within and without is organized godlessness. The lies of the outside aggressors and of the inside helpers may have different purposes, but they are all anti-American. I had to face the fact that my personal lies and my personal immorality made me blind to the nature of the Nazis and their anti-God purpose. Hitler could use me and millions of others, making us morally co-responsible for his atrocities in which I had no part. Every American who loves this country has to face the same responsibility for his government. Christian bystanders were in Germany and are in America the most important helpers of totalitarian politicians. America needs a moral rebirth.
Here’s what I mean: Abortionist Barack Obama and Fidel Castro are part of the enemies of God because of the unchanged evil inside of them, their disregard of human life. They are on the wrong side of the battle line. Their purpose and actions are an insult to God.
The political and ideological battle line, therefore, is not between Democrats and Republicans, or between capitalism and socialism. The Nazis (national Socialists) were not Fascists. Fascism is not totalitarian. It is an ordinary immoral dictatorship. In their ideology, the Nazis were always part of global Marxist Socialism. Marxism, with its hatred and envy, is in its roots godless and incompatible with Christian teachings and therefore with our Constitution. Germany went down because of godlessness, and America is sliding down for the same reason. Obama and Pelosi, to name only two, are closer to the Nazis than to our Founding Fathers and our Constitution.
The economy is not the heart of the matter. It is only a consequence. The real issue where fundamental change is asked for is the relationship of this nation and of every American citizen with God and His commandments. When I speak of God I mean God, our creator, not religion. This country has too many laws that stink. Society has to be cleansed. America must become literally a nation under God. Then America can change the world. We need a president and members of Congress who stand for truth and life and not for lies and death.
rtr
• Continued tax hikes with the socialist democrats only causes a higher deficient do to people not being able to buy American products which causes the GDP to go down and it is also one of the biggest causes of inflation which hits the middle and lower class the worst..
Bottom line is the TAX and STEAL from the left is orchestrated to destroy America ONLY and no matter how many lies people like “Bronco” and company try to tell you it is just a lie and can not be twisted into the truth no matter how hard they keep trying to twist it.
rtr
• Your Home...The next big socialist takeover.
Liberal Democrats, who helped engineer the foreclosure problem, now stand to benefit from a government homeowner bailout. Intended to help homeowners on the brink of losing their homes, the impending foreclosure bailout will mirror the new bank bailout socialist policies.
We now see the government micromanaging financial institutions to the point of telling them how to pay employees, how, what and when to fly, what cars to drive and even when to re-decorate. No matter that the government doesn't have a voting presence on any board. Hey, they loaned you the money now do what they say!
Once the democrats figure out how to bail out those poor homeowners, they can implement a far grander social takeover of private citizens. Government will tell homeowners what cars are allowed in the garage, what light bulbs to use, that their homes must now comply with environmental standards where the cost will be tacked on to their mortgage to ensuring even more governmental control. Can you say socialism?
rtr
Obama’s socialism success “requires destruction of family and church,” says U.S. senator
October - 25 - 2009A United States senator this week is the latest person to echo Rush Limbaugh’s sentiment, “Americans should want Obama to fail.” Why? Because the president’s socialist policies threaten human life and the family.
“Both the family and the Church stand in the way of socialism’s triumph, former US Senator Rick Santorum told Christians gathered for the 17th International Week of Prayer and Fasting last week,” according to Peter J. Smith’s LifeSiteNews.com report (excerpts follow).
The pro-life champion warned attendees, however, that both institutions are under heavy attack from Obama-administration policies.
“We are under a great assault with this President and this Congress on the issue of life. We are under a great assault, maybe even greater assault, on the foundational issue of the family,” Santorum told those gathered for the October 11 dinner at the Omni Shoreham Hotel.
Santorum said that the left’s policies, especially those policies aggressively set forward by the Obama administration, target the family and Christian churches for “destruction,” because these institutions provide local social networks and support for individuals that take away the need for total dependence on central government. To eliminate these social networks means the triumph of socialism, and that means attacking marriage and Christian churches.
“There will be an assault on the institution of marriage,” Santorum promised his audience. “Why? Because the left knows that they can’t really have government come in and take control of everything unless they destroy the family. Unless you destroy the family and destroy the Church they cannot ultimately be successful in getting socialism to be accepted in this country and that’s what their objective is.”
Santorum asked everyone to pray in these times for those in public office, for those discerning whether to run for office in 2010, as well as “for those who are out protesting and understand that there is something foundationally wrong with what’s been going on here.”
But Santorum added that Christians must pray hard for the United States in the current battle over health-care, because the proposed reform has grave problems that go beyond the “major issues” of abortion coverage and the lack of conscience protection clauses.
Source: Examiner.com
rtr
• http://www.foreclosurewarehouse.com
What causes home foreclosures?
Many people ask, “What causes home foreclosures?” The recent trend of home foreclosures has been started by a number of things. First, the economy and the jobless rate--people are losing more and more jobs to overseas. Second, loss of said job can put you behind the 8-ball with no financial support. Also, illness and death can play a role here. Taxes also play a role with death taxes, insurance taxes and home taxes leading the way. Also if you are behind on insurance or mortgage payments, you can bet that you are a candidate for foreclosure. Owing the IRS can also get your home seized and foreclosed upon so quick that it will make your head spin.
I would suppose the liberals here know more than the poeple selling foreclosed homes as to why people lose them, "What a JOKE".
rtr
• Are the Radical Socialists Taking over OUR Country?
Posted by WakeUpAmerica.com On October - 10 - 2009
The radical socialists have taken over banks, automakers, insurance companies, and are now threatening a government health care takeover that will destroy the highest quality care in the world.
We are witnessing the biggest liberal government power grab in the history of America. Spending with no regard for the debt on our grandchildrens’ backs.
Never before have our individual liberties been this threatened. Obama taking over the private sector, waging war on the free enterprise system, trying to eliminate competition and the financial incentive for individuals to achieve and create.
Socialist liberal leaders attacking and insulting regular American citizens simply for disagreeing with their policies? If you disagree on an issue with Obama, you’re a racist?
A media that protects Obama by ignoring their duty as a check and balance and abandoning any sense of honest journalism.
If we don’t stand up and take action, we might as well be living in Canada if Obama and the radical socialists have their way.
rtr
• Alexander to White House: Don’t Create ‘Enemies List’
Posted by WakeUpAmerica.com On October - 21 - 2009A top Senate Republican took to the Senate floor Wednesday morning to suggest that the Obama White House is plotting a political strategy similar to that of ex-President Richard Nixon and may be on the verge of preparing its own “enemies list.”
Republican Conference Chairman Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), who served in the Nixon White House, offered what he said was a “friendly suggestion” to the White House not to repeat the errors he saw committed by the staff of the disgraced former president. “Based upon that experience and my 40 years since then in and out of public life, I want to make what I hope will be taken as a friendly suggestion to President Obama and his White House: Don’t create an enemies list,” Alexander said.
Describing the actions of Vice President Spiro Agnew and Nixon operative Chuck Colson, Alexander said he sees “symptoms of this same kind of animus developing in the Obama administration.”
Alexander read off a list of examples he says support his contention, including: a reported effort by the White House to marginalize the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a supposed effort by the Health and Human Services Department to put a “gag order” on the insurer Humana, the White House move to take on Fox News,
rtr
Obama’s repeated criticisms of banks and investment houses, his alleged “taking names” of “bondholders who resisted the GM and Chrysler bailouts,” and the president’s move to make insurers the bogeyman of the health care debate.
Alexander claimed that the incipient White House “enemies” campaign extends even to Congress. He suggested that Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) was the victim of a sort of payback, saying that after Kyl suggested the stimulus plan wasn’t working, the White house subsequently wrote the governor of Arizona that, “If you don’t want the money, we won’t send it.”
He said that after he and Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) questioned the power of White House “czars,” they both were “called out” on the White House blog. “This behavior is typical of street brawls and political campaign consultants,” Alexander said. “If the president and his top aides treat people with different views as enemies instead of listening to what they have to say, they’re likely to end up with a narrow view and a feeling that the whole world is out to get them. And as those of us who served in the Nixon White House know, that can get you into a lot of trouble.”
After Alexander’s remarks, Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) rose to speak on a different topic, but he first commented that it appeared Alexander was accusing the administration of “Nixifying” the White House — adding that he hoped the term would enter into “the lexicon.” Alexander replied that he was “seeing some signs” in the Obama White House that he had seen “at the early stages of Nixon.” 2009 © Roll Call Inc. By Keith Koffler
rtr
McConnell: Taliban, al Qaeda Connected
GOP Senator Says Possible Accommodation With Taliban to Focus Fight Against al Qaeda Is "Troubling"
By Michelle Levi
Play CBS Video Video Republicans Will Support Troop Increase
On Face The Nation, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) told Bob Schieffer that Republicans will support President Obama if he requests 40,000 additional troops in Afghanistan. Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I) also weighs in.
Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., on "Face The Nation," October 11, 2009. (CBS)
(CBS) Republican Senate Leader Mitch McConnell called the Obama administration's possible move to find accommodation with the Taliban in Afghanistan and Pakistan "troubling."
As originally reported by the Washington Post on Friday, some in the White House see the Taliban as a "deeply-rooted political movement in Afghanistan" that requires a different approach than al Qaeda.
"You do get the impression that the administration - at least some in the administration - are trying to distinguish between al Qaeda and the Taliban. Well, they are different, but they are inter-connected," McConnell, R-Ky., told "Face the Nation" host Bob Schieffer Sunday.
"We know that when the Taliban was in charge in Afghanistan, al Qaeda was allowed to operate freely. We know they launched the 9/11 attack from there, planned it and launched it from there,"
He noted that this weekend's militant attack upon a military headquarters in Pakistan "underscores the danger of the Taliban," particularly in a nation armed with nuclear weapons.
"The Taliban taking over a country like Pakistan would be completely and totally unacceptable destabilizing not only in that area of the world but all around."
The Republican leader said he hopes President Obama listens to the suggestions of Generals Petraeus and McChrystal to send additional combat troops to the region to continue the counterinsurgency strategy focusing both on al Qaeda and the Taliban.
"Our generals have told us the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated," he said. "I think we need to take this very, very seriously."
He added that if President Obama were to come to Congress asking for approval to send an additional 40,000 troops to Afghanistan, he will be met with "overwhelming" Republican support.
"[T]his is not just about nation building," McConnell told Schieffer. "This is about protecting the United States of America. We know that we can't have a haven over there for the reconstitution of al Qaeda."
Schieffer asked McConnell why he suggested General McChrystal testify before Congress rather than just advise the administration and have President Obama appeal to Congress.
"Because we appropriate the funds," he said. "It's not uncommon for generals to come up and speak to us about what they're recommending. At some point here certainly the president will make a decision. If he chooses to wait until then to have General McChrystal come up, that's his prerogative. We're going to want to hear from those who will implement the strategy."
Finally, he admitted that the Karzai government in Afghanistan is a "flawed administration," but said the main objective in the U.S.-Afghanistan partnership is "protecting the United States of America.
"We know that [Afghanistan] has been a haven for terrorists in the past. We don't want to let it become a haven for terrorists again," McConnell said
Woody
There you go again threatening people. Threats from a coward mean nothing. Go join the Marines.
Flathead Frank
Wow. Senate Republicans agree to use my money, a productive small businessman, to extend unemployment benefits yet again. Ummm. Isn't this communism or socialism?
Look forward to Frank the Country Editor's next column denouncing the Republican Party as communists for extending this welfare benefit to the couch potatoes. Oh wait. Maybe it's only when Democrats do this sort of thing that it's a problem. This Sunday we will see if our little community editor, so radical in his beliefs, will remain consistent to his principles -- no health care reform, no social security, no medicare, no Clean Air or Clean Water Act, no planning and zoning, no public education, no FDA, no CDC, and no gun control laws protecting law enforcement from crazies wandering the streets with bazookas. Will Frank the Country Editor stand up and denounce this extension of unemployment benefits? Ayn Rand would.
rtr
Benznd, You said it like a true communist and if you try to sell it again you will trip the flood gates if you know what I mean.
benznd
rtr, I laid it all on the line for Natres, most everything I stand for and believe in. So have others in stating that they would pay their taxes to ensure that all have basic health care. There has also been a distinct liberal line drawn in support of same sex marriage. I am not sure about comments related to a families/woman's right to choose. I would believe that most liberals would support that right, yet I speak for myself only. I support same sex marriages. I support public education overhaul and gone into depth on that subject, yet I do support teachers always. I fully support Medicare for all and would not care if private insurance companies went t*ts up. I am distressed by the number of young men and women who face the daily stress of war. The suicides this past month point one direction, and that is home. I am for a limited military budget with limited worldwide engagements. I am for a draft of sorts i.e., national service, Peace Corp, etc. I am for all elections funded through our taxes and taking place within the last two months prior to the election. I am for caps on CEO salaries. I am for "green" and the changes that would bring about. I am for spay/neutering of all Libertarians! NOW THAT IS FUNNY!
rtr
SorrySOB
However, those of us who disagree are not supposed to say anything?? So as soon as we are critical of something that Frank says all of a sudden we are the bad guys because we dared to disagree??
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YOU HAVE MORE than crossed the line with that and your head must not have eyes or ears on it because I have told you over and over again it is OUR paper and every time you insult it like you do you are insulting all of us that live here and if you don't like it then go find some other paper that will welcome you with open arms because this one is sick of your kind and WE THE PEOPLE OF THE FLATHEAD VALLEY PAY FOR IT.
Maybe the Beacon will welcome you but I know better, They wouldn't put up with your behavior at all is why you aren't over there if you act like you do here.
It smacks of attempted censorship to me.
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Really, and that is exactly what you were doing by trying to run everyone off here if they weren't of your liberal political persuasion.
LIKE I SAID GROW UP....!
Rawhide
Rob: I’ve been outside for awhile, but I’ve got to take exception with some of your recent remarks. Iran had a dictatorial monarchy under the Shaw’s reign and yes the U.S. was Iran’s primary backer (lots of cheap oil for U.S. cars). But the Shaw also westernized Iran , built schools , hospitals and made Iran the most educated country in the middle east. Not all bad. The CIA was there doing our country’s political bidding, so don’t blame the CIA for doing what our elected politicians directed them to do. Same thing is true today. The fact that the Iranian people are rising up in the streets tonight yelling down with Ayatollah Kamenhni and Ahmadinijad despite being subjected to radical Jihadist indoctrination for the last 30 years is testament to the intelligence of the Iranian populace, and the education of their parents under the Shaw.
As for the tragedy of suicides in the military, how many servicemen and women do we have on active duty? How many of them have had to serve 3, 4, or more tours in Iraq, Afghanistan or elsewhere in recent years? How do you think our servicemen feel knowing they are risking their lives daily for a president and Congress who may not support what they‘re doing? How many fear they could go home to be quizzed or tried by politicians who have never served in the military but are only too quick to second guess their actions while in combat? How many think our country’s Commander in Chief is too slow and too indecisive to send them the additional troops and supplies they asked for and needed months ago? Any wonder why military moral is slipping since Barrack Obama became president? It’s beginning to sound more and more like Vietnam, amongst our politicians and some folks back home.
You can’t wage any war with the idea that “If we get tired of it, or we suffer a few casualties, we’ll just turn around and go home.” That’s what Reagan did in Beirut. That’s what Carter did in Iran. That’s what Clinton did in Somalia. And apparently that’s what you and most democrats would have us do in Iraq and Afghanistan. No wonder Islamic terrorists have contempt for the U.S.A. and are able to spread that message all over the world. And finally Rob, tell President Obama YOU DON’T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!
SorrySOB
You say the left is running off the right with the comments. First of all, we are all grown ups and it is a free country so I don't think anyone is "running" anyone off. Also, keep in mind that Frank has a distinct right slant in his writing. Of course, people who agree with him are not going to start anything. They come in saying "oh, Frank, what a wonderful article".However, those of us who disagree are not supposed to say anything?? So as soon as we are critical of something that Frank says all of a sudden we are the bad guys because we dared to disagree?? It smacks of attempted censorship to me. I'm all for trying to be civil but at the same time we all have the right to disagree with Frank and each other.
rtr
Benznd
I believe all of the liberals have put their personal/political beliefs on the line for others to see.
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Not true Benznd, everyone wants to hear from you but political platform building is unacceptable and so is running other people off just because you disagree with them.
No conservative that posts here has EVER done that, ever.
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I never said that Benznd but I have watched for a lot longer than I have posted here and the liberals are more guilty of it and I believe it would be more valuable if both sides were alowed to exist, What about you?
benznd
Pete bro, I threw your name in my last comment to see if you were still with the living. (-:
And, could you give us some specifics the Libertarian/Conservatives would do to fix this economy. Would your political philosophy include social issues as well. Please explain Libertarian political ideology. What is the foundation of that system of beliefs. Is there a religious component? I do not mean are people religious. I mean does religion play a role in the political philosophy. Does the citizenry/government play a role, and if so, what role. Is there market regulation, and if so, to what extent. Is there education reform or funding. Is there financial support for private religious schools. Health care? Women's personal health care? This is our first opportunity to get to know you and what you stand for. I believe all of the liberals have put their personal/political beliefs on the line for others to see. No conservative that posts here has EVER done that, ever.
rtr
Rob
This isn't a Union Meeting rtr. Listen up, respond in kind, or ignore. You can't hold us hostage, nor can we hold you. Just continue being yourself.......
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This is exactly what I have been saying for quite awhile now and made it clear with the flooding.
I was sick of it with the intimidation coming from the left and by the way the name calling was more than made up for from the left also..
Which included watching the liberal side run conservatives off.
If you NOTE there were and sometimes are several people that start posting Sunday mornings and then never post after the liberals start in like you did before, I am assuming there is a reason for that what about you?
Give everyone a chance and not just if they are like minded like you is where I am going with this if you want varied ideas.
Note, It wasn't until Rawhide came back that things were talked about openly which began a dialogue between him and me which started the civility we are enjoying right now with almost everyone this time.
I think we all agree now that it is best to get along.
rtr
By the way Rob, Thanks for the concern and I mean that also.
You are correct about the lead being a problem for some of the guys, But it was the ones that worked in the lead smelter that got leaded and not the miners themselves at the Bunker.
Lead standards as such hadn't begun in the late 1970's or early 1980's, It was in the late 1980's when that became such an issue and some of them like most things get blown out of proportion also.
There were millions and millions of dollars spent doing so called reclaimation of the silver valley which actualy caused more lead to be exposed than if they would have just left it alone.
rtr
Rob
.....How's the Lead level in your body?
I owned the 90 acre '1896 patented mining claim that Noranda drilled a 16,000 foot hole big enough for yukes under the Cabinet Mountains, and then sealed it up and walked away in 1993.
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Well Hello fellow miner, They are reopening some mines there and they will be going under the wilderness area in the Cabinet Mountains soon from outside of it "Big battle but the enviromentalists will loose this one".
I never worked near any lead, I worked above ground in the Zinc plant doing what they called jipo work. "Paid for what you did above and beyond what the average person could do in an 8 hour day and yet go home if you got done early".
Bunker Hill made ammonium nitrate out of the used up battery acid we were working over, "At the Fertilizer Plant"
I lost some teeth "Paid for by the company to cap them" from the steam off the battery acid. “Not cool but no permanent damage other than that”
The environment was a non issue at that time so that had nothing to do with the shut down of Bunker hill, Funny thing is Hagadone and Magnuson lost a TON of money when we said we would not take a pay cut and we would shut it down if they didn't pay us a fair wage. "We shut it down because it was dangerous and the lower pay they offered was not worth taking a chance of dying for".
There are still mines in the silver valley that lasted beyond Bunker Hill “Hecla” “CDA mines” but Hagadone and Magnuson bought it and were so d*mn cheap they thought we would cow tow to lower wages even though we risk death every day.
Hecla and CDA lasted because of the lead and zinc you are talking about and survived the crash of silver and gold.
Reagan had lots of options to put a stop to the Hunt Brothers speculation when it came to manipulating the Market so it was his fault.
Option one was to stop the trading for a day by the FCC and explain to the people who and what was happening, Option two would have been to go after the Hunt Brothers themselves for manipulating the market.
Reagan chose to open Fort Knox so it would break the Hunt Brothers instead of looking out for the American people just to be vengeful.
Not only did at least a 100,000 people across the country loose their jobs but when Reagan opened up Fort Knox people flocked to buy government gold since they thought the government would never scr*w them and it made gold and silver prices fall and thousand of people that had nothing to do with the mining industry got scr*wed also.
I guess you would have had to have been on the front line of it and see all the options Reagan had and how fraudulent it was to ALL the American people and not just the miners at that time and still today.
Those people that bought gold and silver even after it fell have been eaten up by inflation up until the last few months "STILL" do to Reagan opening up Fort Knox.
Rob123
rtr: "If they can get through to you then I believe it would be for the best, Other wise like I said I will not be bullied by you two children." This isn't a Union Meeting rtr. Listen up, respond in kind, or ignore. You can't hold us hostage, nor can we hold you. Just continue being yourself.......No Temper Tantrums Alowed. The civility thing has been working well, although Pete got on my nerves. Can't remember why, probably over the 100% Local factor in New Jersey. I guess Pa. is close enough to N.J. for a Libertarian to get all defensive? All I know about N.J. is I 95 is a nightmare not meant for nice people with ordinary lives.
SorrySOB
rtr, no one is "going to get through to me" about anything. I make up my own mind - always have and always will. I'm not shy about saying I'm a liberal, and if you want to call me a socialist then I am that too. What I have decided however, is that I'm tired of stooping to your level and playing stupid keyboard games. Chances are I will never agree with many of the people on this forum as I expect they will not agree with me, but if I ask a polite question and get a polite answer I will give the person respect for his or her response. Up to this point, that has not included you.
Rob123
rtr.....How's the Lead level in your body? A serious, and concerned, question. As a supplier to many mines, not so much in the Silver Valley, but I am aware of it and on first name basis with the old suppliers, be it Diesel or Heavy fuels or ammonium nitrate, there were and are serious environmental problems, real and imagined, that shut the mines down WAY more than Pres. Reagan. The game totally changed, and the jobs went to So. America and Australia, with a few still here but under burdens and scrutiny not used in other parts of the world. I owned the 90 acre '1896 patented mining claim that Noranda drilled a 16,000 foot hole big enough for yukes under the Cabinet Mountains, and then sealed it up and walked away in 1993. It wasn't worth it. It's getting a little closer now, under new ownership, but what a hassle. To blame Reagan for your Mining woes would cause your Union Boss much glee, but I don't think so.
rtr
I will leave it up to Rob, Pete, Ms_Evens, Rebal, Benznd, Hawhide and who ever else to have a talk with you before I flood it since we all have had civil conversations today.
And note half have agreed to disagree, "You are the problem SorrySOB and Woddy"
If they can get through to you then I believe it would be for the best, Other wise like I said I will not be bullied by you two children.
SorrySOB
Flood away. Again, you and your empty threats are meaningless to me. Does anyone really care if you flood the thread? The comment box is still at the top, and if it really does have any affect on anything, it will affect both sides of the discussion. As far as me going away, did Frank change his rules on censorship and the First Amendment lately? If not, then I guess you don't have a lot of say about it.
Pete, although I won't agree with everything in your response as I feel there is still room for moderation, I do appreciate the response and your opinion.
Woody
I think it is funny when the name caller gets angry because someone calls him names. Me thinks I've struck a nerve. Stand up, serve your country, do something.
rtr
Hey Pete, To back up what you stated D*ck Army "Who I really like" was on TV yesterday talking about Newt G. "Who I can not stand" and what a wishy washy he was with trying to pander to both the Liberals and the Conservatives at the same time which was a major cause of the colapes of the GOP and how they needed to get back to the fundementals of what the republican party stands for which is small government.
I wouldn't blame the Liberals for jumping on this one do to Bush and his big government so I will say he was like Newt G. and Not like D*ck Army...Before I get clobbered for that.
rtr
LOOK SorrySOB, If you want me to flood the comment section again to get you to either go away or GROW UP just let me know.
Might I suggest some of the rest of you talk to him also.
Everyone has been getting along for a day and a half now with the exception of SorrySOB and Woody.
I will NOT be bullied by the likes of you two, COUNT ON IT.
Pete
SorrySOB...I will answer with a couple of caveats. First, I don't speak for anyone but myself, so keep in mind I am a libertarian/conservative who has tended to agree more with the GOP than not. I don't fit the "party guy" profile and I think that kind of identification may be becoming a thing of the past even in the Democrat Party? Anyhow, as a libertarian/conservative my allegiance is to a philosophy first. For a while now, the Republican party has claimed one ideology, ie, conservative, limited government, etc. and governed very differently, so when you ask if I am happy....I'm not sure, we'll see how these guys govern. If the Republicans want to become liberal light I have no interest in the Republican party. I am confident in conservative/libertarian answers to the problems that face the country and I am confident that if those philosophys are elucidated and clearly defined, that the country will embrace them. About NY-23....there were obviously a number of factors involved, not the least of which the Republican candidate was basically a democrat nominated by a group of country club Republicans. Ideologically, she had much more in common with the Dems than the GOP so why does she need to be in the race? She also dropped out at the last moment, endorsed the dem etc. Lets see.....on the moderates being pushed out....I think the conservatives were the ones being pushed out and it has killed the party in the last few elections. As to "moderate" I would be curious as to your definition. It seems that to Dems..."moderate" equates to "agrees with me". In the end, party labels don't mean a whole lot to me, so I don't get too excited about Repub vs Dem the ideology of the person running makes all the difference. Bloomberg in NY is a great example of that. That is why when you call me a loser because the GOP lost etc. it really doesn't mean much. Thankfully my life and my political philosophy aren't tied to any political party. About getting along...Good luck. The best we can do is strive to maintain some level of deportment in discourse while we beat the h*ll out of each others arguments....and if we do feel the need to sling an insult or two...to do so with some satirical elan that we all can appreciate despite ourselves. So...there you go, hammer away....as Ross Perot said, "I'm all ears."
SorrySOB
Thanks Rawhide for taking the time to respond. I fully agree and have mentioned several times in the past that extreme views on both sides will be our downfall. Maybe we need a Moderation party.
For rtr, taking "your gloves off" means nothing to me. Please get off your high horse and the thinking you somehow have some sort of power. You are a simply a keyboard on the Internet like everyone else, and your threats are meaningless.
rtr
Rob
rtr....Your Hunt Brother's 'cornering the Silver Market' story from a Miners point of view was interesting. Wrong, but interesting point of view......Ya think after Soybeans they would have learned a lesson?
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The thing that is wrong Rob is that Reagan was not mature enough to deal with it in a way that did not affect over a 100,000 jobs and put people out of work if you counted all the silver and gold mines across the country.
Reagan had lots of options when it came to dealing with the Hunt Brothers with speculation and / or the manipulation of the stock market but he choose not too.
To use a presidential office for a personal vendetta which it was is criminal.
So no I wasn’t wrong.
Rob123
Rawhide.....Let's not forget what WE (CIA) did to Iran between WW2 and 1979......It's time for them (Iranians) to get over it, but.........Furthermore, in most major newspapers, back from the front page, a disturbing statistic; 16 Active Service Members commited suicide in October. That is stress...........and our gobbled politics only lays more uncertainty on these fine, YOUNG people. Diplomacy can't be forsaken just because it's as slow as a glacier. Our short attention span theater gets old to people living on the edge of a spear that rattles a lot. We are not, nor have we been, benign innocents. We're Nation Building, using borrowed money, and the Locals there are as impressed as the Locals here with all the Government "Better Ideas". Except they can't vote the bums out. And our soldiers are stuck in the middle. Time to come home, try a new approach.
SorrySOB
Thanks Rawhide for giving your opinion on that. I appreciate your taking the time. Rtr, please get off your high horse and thinking that you are more than you really are. You are just another keyboard on the Internet. You have no power and you threats are meaningless.
rtr
Hey Rob, I can't see them from where I live but the Swan Range is absolutely beautiful also.
You have to love the fall in the Flathead for sure, “My favorite time of year”.
Rawhide
Hey SOB: I'm not a party loyalist but since you ask a fair question, here's my slant on things. There is an increasing rift or chasm occurring in both political parties. The democrats are increasingly more divided between the more liberal centrists and the social progressive left wing. Despite having a clear majority in both the House and the Senate, the democrats still can't get any major legislation passed. So the democrats have a clear problem too.
As for the republicans, the conservative right wing believes the rest of the party is too centrist and tolerant of some democrats (i.e. Sen. John McCain and others). It seems the conservatives are getting more and more like the libertarians.. get the government out of everything and let people fend for themselves.
The majority of the American people, who are neither extreme left or right wingers, are getting fed up with all these intolerant left and right wingers, along with the out of control spending going on in Washington, and would like to just throw all the bums out of town, democrats and republicans. If both parties don't see this and change their ways soon, then I think we are going to be seeing a lot of change in the political picture on both sides. A lot of rats are going to be abandoning their party ships trying to save themselves. I'm not sure what the political parties will call themselves, but more and more people want something different. Perhaps it's time for a strong third party in America. The third party would force the other two parties to rein in their more extreme members in order to win elections.
Yesterdays election results speak for themselves: the republicans upset all the democrat incumbents in Virginia and N.J., but the dems won one house seat in N.Y. These election results really mean nothing for either party. The people are getting fed up with both parties being out of touch with America.
Rob123
rtr....Your Hunt Brother's 'cornering the Silver Market' story from a Miners point of view was interesting. Wrong, but interesting point of view......Ya think after Soybeans they would have learned a lesson?
rtr
SorrySOB, The only one here with the pointed insults is you and Woddy so "KNOCK IT OFF" remember what Rob said about MY GLOVES coming off fast. "NOW STRAIGHTEN UP and GROW UP".
Rob123
If any of you get a chance, and before all the slash piles fill the valley with smoke, you should go outside and take a look at the GNP Mountains all covered with Fresh snow. They'll have Palouse dust by tomorrow.....Gain some elevation, and drag your tripod along....excellent!
rtr
By the way people the stock market is really responding nicely to the GREAT news about Obama's Death Care being put out a year so it can just go away quitely.
Yabadaba doo, Were are back in the cash again.
It's still a jobless recovery BUT there is some hope now that the Democratic government is being forced to do what the majority of the people in the USA want or take a chance of loosing all of it's up coming congressional seats. "They won't take that chance"
Socialism and the theft of our money is on it's way out and we will be able to take back our money and put it into the hands of the people who are the ones that create jobs and not the government. "There is Hope for Change after all"
SorrySOB
First, I want to say that I not asking this question to be a smart a$$ or start an arguement. It is something that i am truly interested in. I would like get a straight opinion from some of the GOP supporters (preferably answers in a sane cordial way which includes pretty much all but one of you) what your feelings are concerning the growing rift between the moderates and conservatives in your party. You are happy, as you should be, that your candidates won a couple of state's governship. However, no one seems to be piping up much about NY-23. All insults and smart remarks aside, do you not see the problem in that? There are a lot of good moderate Republicans out there that I think are going to either rebel or get pushed out by the conservatives. Do you not see that as a problem, and what do you think the solution would be if you do? I feel that some moderation on both sides is the only way we are ever going to come close to getting along. In fact, I would be actually be inclined to even step over and vote for a Republican if he or she were moderate but it sure doesn't seem like there is any hope for that any time soon.
Pete
Benznd....."Then we have the Peters of the world who throw logs on this fire yet keep clear of the pungent urine soaked smoke that arises.".....First you pee on the beets and then the firewood? I suggest you get in and have that prostate checked.
Rawhide
Pete: You are exactly right about this dangerous Islamic movement. The Iranian people now in the streets may be ours and Israel's last chance to stop these radical nuts. I'm praying for them (and I don't do that much).
Pete
Read the first amendment...nowhere is the phrase "separation of church and state" to be found. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" The founders explaination was much more nuanced than the bumper sticker version quoted here, although the bumper sticker version has been so heavily promoted by opponents of religion that it has become a virtual "wives tale" amendment in and of itself.
Perhaps Souter said it best when writing the majority decision in the case of the Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, concluding, that the "government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion."
rtr
Ms_Evans, Believe it or not I do respect your opinions and could careless what ANY one does in their own bedroom.
You brought up a good point with homosexuals not being able to reproduce however which means I don't want them out on the street acting like it is ok to pretend to be a loving married couple because at that time it becomes a way of recruitment of young people for them instead of just a way of life.
I seen the recruitment of the young in the school systems in Washington State where I use to do network installs and it was sickening.
I doubt whether the majority of the people in Maine really care what people do in the privacy of their bedrooms either, Nor do I believe religion played much of a part in it or it wouldn’t have been a law in the first place.
I am quite sure it was do to the homosexuals disgusting behavior when they were out in public that was the biggest factor for the majority that voted to repeal of the law.
We both have a different experience with the perception and visual of it is all.
benznd
I hope that the current administration understands that the citizens of two states placed a shot over the ship. The youth of this nation have evaporated from the voting public, once again. They are not mature enough to understand that those who vote in blocks are here to stay and are unopposed. Will they ever get it, or will they turn into the current common folk who do not get it themselves. Sorry to sound so "smart" but there is a much larger picture out there than abortion and tax breaks and military. However, these issues may simply take us down.
I think that a couple of Republican Governors is good for the mix. I am not comfortable with what has been happening in the Democratic party. Wow, what a mess. We have become very dysfunctional as a society and government. When money runs government, health, military, adnosium (sp). We are reinforcing Karl Marx's view of capitalism. Capitalism is like an abundant apple tree. No need to do anything but wait, as eventually the apples all drop off...
Personally I could support a Republican party if we simply talked about fiscal conservatism. A mix is a good thing. But the Republican party of today is focused on recruiting the ignorant of our society. I do not mean less intelligent, just ignorant. Appeal to: prying yur guns from your cold dead fingers; or only gGod can kill a an unborn child; or drop more bombs on those people of other religions; castigate the gay population of America or the world; etc. Why must we turn a political party into an extension of a prejudiced illusion. Why? Because greed has no boundaries. How could a few who makes billions form a political party? Duh! Disguise the greed and appeal to the ignorant, dogmatic, angry, disenfranchised, potentially fanatic folks who exist in this and every other country.
Independent, I have never thought about where I stand politically other then a Democrat. Now, as I get older I see so little difference in the parties. Do we as a citizenry stand for anything. Is reelection so critical that any decency is forsaken. I am beginning to think so. Only a handful of people who represent the populace actually care about health care for all. That is my take.
So, I have said what I wanted to say. I am frightened when we have people living among us to spew such hatred. The tip of that iceberg? Then we have the Peters of the world who throw logs on this fire yet keep clear of the pungent urine soaked
smoke that arises.
Rawhide
Ms. Evans: Very well stated piece. Our founding fathers had such exceptional foresight when they declared a separation of church and state, albeit they probably did so for other reasons. The fact that this was stated in the very first amendment to the Constitution indicates how important this issue is.
Pete
Rawhide....."JERUSALEM — Israeli commandos seized a ship Wednesday that defense officials said was carrying hundreds of tons of weapons from Iran bound for Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas — the largest arms shipment Israel has ever commandeered."
I bet Israel hopes the pro-democracy Iranians get a move on. The trends are not promising though in the rest of the Muslim world, ie, Turkeys precipitous move toward Syria and Iran, and subsequent words and actions regarding Israel. The balance of power has never been in Israels favor as the regions lone democracy and these developments don't bode well.
Woody
rtr I jus wanna b lik you accept I want to serve my country
Ms_Evans
rtr you are indeed a character. In a former discussion over civil and human rights regarding homosexuality, rtr and I differ. That's fine. I believe in human and civil rights for all people who are doing no harm to others regardless of orientation.
The basis is that some churches and their followers regard homosexuality as a sin, (or as rtr puts it - "perverted".
Churches that do not accept homosexuality, base it as sinful because, among other things, it is non-procreative sex.
If non-procreative sex is the issue, society started down this slippery slope with production of the pill—or, really, even earlier, when birth control became common.
We've been into the non-procreative sex thing for some time now. Even most religious conservatives don't have the heart to go after this. If sex without the possibility of creating life is wrong, then religious leaders would have to go back to warring against various means of self-gratification. And what about sex among the infertile? Or sex among people over 70? Are these sins?
The other moral argument put forward by the world's great faiths is that homosexuality is "unnatural." God created man and woman with certain complementary capacities, and not to use them is an insult to the Creator. Sort of like getting TiVo but not learning how to use the record feature.
It's bad but not that bad? These people choose to focus on the idea that marriage in general is under threat. There are all sorts of marriages that never should have happened in the first place. People from all walks of life know that one.
For myself - I believe in the motto "Live and Let Live". Religious views, when legislated into laws, violates separation of church and state.
Woody
rtr The only jobs to be had back then were in L.A. which Reagan propped up with vigor
You could have enlisted.
rtr
Rebel Rouser
rtr, why didn't you go back to work instead of supporting the air traffic controllers union?
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Note Rebel the only reason I am answering you is to make a point.
I had a friend that lost his job in the Air Traffic control industry which was a bunch of CR*P and made the skies very UNSAFE at the time do to Reagan.
The way I lost my job at that time was I was working in the mines in Idaho and Silver and Gold was going sky high and one of Reagan's PERSONAL sworn enemies the "Hunt Brothers from Texas" were helping to drive the price up with speculation on the free market so Reagan with his HATRED of the Hunt brothers opened up Fort Knox to the public to buy all the gold and silver they wanted.
Silver went from 48 dollars an ounce to 7 dollars an ounce in one months time and it put over 10,000 people out of work from Wallace Idaho to Spokane Washington when the mines had to shut down.
The only jobs to be had back then were in L.A. which Reagan propped up with vigor "Corruption" in my opinion just like Obama with his campaign pay back which has dwarfed the corruption Reagan did but none the less I have NO time for either one of them do to their criminal activities with using the highest office in this country.
Glad to see you are trying to keep it civil, It has been a good day for the most part other than "Woody who just can’t seem help himself and wants to be a young show off" "He reminds me of a baby slapping his spoon on his high chair just because he can".
rtr
Rawhide
The Iranian people seem to sense that if they don't over throw their radical leaders, then they will suffer very dire consequences for Ahmadinejad's stated plan to destroy Israel, the U.S. and the western world.
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Very well put, The smart ones know if they don't try to put a stop to it now even if it puts their lives in danger they will die after being FORCED into a loonitic JIHAD fringe of a government like they have now that wants war..
Not much of an option is it?
rtr
Woody
rtr The only thing to old about you are your excuses. get off your backside and DO something for your country. Stop stealing freedom
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Woody I am not stealling anything and I don't want "Anyone to steal from You either" and that is why I fight against socialist programs that only take your money and create nothing.
Pete
rtr....don't worry, Woody's standards are low...."community organizer" is a presidential resume booster in his world, so ice fishing probably qualifies you to "serve" as Secretary of the Navy in this administration. I would suggest IT Czar, but you're most likely over qualified.
Rebel Rouser
rtr, why didn't you go back to work instead of supporting the air traffic controllers union?
Also, I am pleased to see the posts nearer to civility. I too will try to be more civil, except for one thing, I have a rebellious attitude that sometimes gets the best of me. I apologize in advance if I overstep that boundary, please don't beat me masta.
Rawhide
Today marks the 30th anniversary of Iran’s Islamic revolution, when Islamic extremists over ran the U.S. embassy and took hostage 44 Americans. It is reassuring to see in the news today that the Iranian government’s staged anti-American demonstrations are being countered by brave Iranian demonstrators demanding the ouster of president Ahmadinejad and his extremist loonies. The Iranian people are to be commended for their courage in standing up and speaking out against their dangerous Islamic government. The Iranian people seem to sense that if they don't over throw their radical leaders, then they will suffer very dire consequences for Ahmadinejad's stated plan to destroy Israel, the U.S. and the western world.
Woody
rtr The only thing to old about you are your excuses. get off your backside and DO something for your country. Stop stealing freedom.
Pete
SorrySOB...glad to see you're hanging your hat on "good news" rather than the bad. Protect that psyche at all costs. :-)
rtr
So what you are saying is you are going to vote for Sarah in 2012 since she uses common sense when it comes to endorsing a conservative of any party instead of just following party lines like most democratic sheep do.
Good for you, There may be hope yet.
Pete
Rawhide...quite possibly correct. I just cringe when folks throw around such certainty as Rob does. "A local referendum 100%." Talk about going all in. It reminds me of fishing and you catch one that has swallowed hook, line and sinker. You could work at getting it out but you'd just tear up the fish trying, so you clip the line and let'em swim away thinking they got the worm.
SorrySOB
Thanks Sarah and Dede, and a special thanks to the split Republican party!
Dem wins out in wild N.Y. race
By John Fritze, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — A wildly unpredictable race for a House seat in Upstate New York gave Democrats their only high-profile victory Tuesday night in a contest both parties predicted would have implications for next year's congressional elections.
Democrat Bill Owens narrowly beat Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman in the down-to-the-wire race for New York's 23rd Congressional District — portions of which have been represented by Republicans for more than a century. Hoffman conceded early Wednesday.
The special election in the sprawling district that tracks along the Canadian border captured national attention as Republicans such as former Alaska governor Sarah Palin endorsed Hoffman over Republican Dede Scozzafava, who later dropped out of the race amid criticism of her conservative credentials.
Owens' win provided a glimmer of hope for Democrats in an off-year election that resulted in Republican victories in the Virginia and New Jersey gubernatorial races — but the race also emboldened conservatives.
Matt Kibbe of the conservative advocacy group FreedomWorks said the dramatic turn of events that took place before the election would put GOP incumbents on notice that they could face primaries if they don't adhere to the party's core principles.
"These are signals that tell fiscal conservatives to run and tell fiscal moderates — I would call them tax-and-spend representatives — they aren't going to win elections next year," Kibbe said. "You're seeing a shift in the center of gravity."
The district was held for 16 years by Republican John McHugh, who resigned after being named Army secretary by President Obama. Although the district leans Republican, Obama carried the district last year.
Tim Kaine, the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said the GOP's intraparty feuding in New York will hurt the party in future races, too. "The all-out war between Republicans and the far right wing is a disaster for the Republican Party and will dog it well after today," he said.
Several possible Republican 2010 primaries, including in Florida's Senate race, are shaping up as fights between centrists and conservatives.
Chris Chocola, who heads the conservative Club for Growth, said the race was not evidence of a GOP civil war because Scozzafava was not really a moderate Republican but rather held views far left of the party's mainstream.
SorrySOB
" imptont with extensive in formation "
Speak English please.
Rawhide
Katorce: Interesting comment. I too place more stock in the common "sock" than in Wall street stock.
Pete: I think our political parties are changin. Not sure if the names will change but they are looking more and more like the Conservative and the Social Progressive parties.
Pete
Rob..."My task for today looks like convincing Pete that New Jersey had more to do with a combined tax rate of 60% and the notion it was time to throw the bums out than anything Pres. Obama could do or has done. A local referendum 100%."..... Which party runs the state? Where did the tax rate come from? Furthermore, I didn't see a reference to Obama anywhere in my post. You'll have plenty of opportunites to come to the defense of your "sSavior" without conjuring them. A little jumpy this morning?
rtr
Woody
rtr I'll meet you at the recruiting office. I'll be REenlisting.
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You seem to forget they don't take old capitalists like me, "Age limit you know" I will be behind you all the way and rooting for you however.
Seeing as how Obama is not comitted to being a leader or winning the war and only wants to send 20,000 troops when it is a published and known fact they need between 40,000 and 60,000 more troops you want to watch your back since you will be out numbered big time.
rtr
A year out for a vote relates to the Obama Death Care is DEAD… YAHOO, YAHOO, YAHOO
One more socialist program bites the dust.
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http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-na-health-abortion4-2009nov04,0,3878307.story?track=rss
"Abortion language complicates Democratic health efforts
Divisions in the majority party in the House and Senate could delay legislation into the new year. Abortion funding in particular shows a chasm between party liberals and moderates.
By James Oliphant
November 4, 2009
Reporting from Washington - House Democratic leaders, while insisting that the finish line is in sight on their overhaul of the nation's healthcare system, have hit a last-minute snag over the abortion issue. Senate Democratic leaders, meanwhile, are continuing to have problems winning over moderates in their own party -- raising the possibility that the climactic votes on healthcare might be pushed into next year".
rtr
Looks like you are just barely over half right Rob with what the polls state.
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/11/03/republican-wins-in-virginia-new-jersey-build-momentum-for-2010/
According to exit polls, 46 percent of Virginia voters and 31 percent of those in New Jersey said the most important issue was the economy and jobs. As for GOP attempts to paint the races as all about Obama, 60 percent of New Jersey voters and 55 percent of those in Virginia said Obama was not a factor in how they voted. In New Jersey, the remaining voters were evenly divided between sending messages of opposition and support. There was a bit more of a no-confidence vote in Virginia, 24 percent to 18 percent.
Woody
rtr I'll meet you at the recruiting office. I'll be REenlisting.
Rawhide
Old Blue: Welcome aboard. I enjoyed your words. Please keep writing. Some of these people need a reality check
Rob123
Woody.....You got it! I agree totally. Although it doesn't have to be "the enemy-per se". Merely standing up and actually doing something, be it for the elderly or dispossessed or downtrodden......something bigger than One's Self/Ego. A little sweaty sacrifice that is inconvient to ones normal routine. My task for today looks like convincing Pete that New Jersey had more to do with a combined tax rate of 60% and the notion it was time to throw the bums out than anything Pres. Obama could do or has done. A local referendum 100%. Pete knows this, but has the expertise to put legs on his spin and watch it run......should be a learning experience for this naive country boy.
rtr
Hey Pete, I didn't see your post until after I hit the "Post comment buttom" and then I read it and our posts stated almost the same thing with the first part with the elections....too funny
rtr
Hey Rob, I sure did get a laugh out of the people back east making a point of their elections to oust and democrat that was in or running for office with the exception of one congressional set in New York.
Note: I wouldn’t have cared if they were of any other party affiliation that won other than democrat only to make a point with Obama’s failed presidency and socialism is becoming unacceptable is all. “ I would have actually rather it been independents that won if you want to know the truth that way it would have sent a message to both parties”.
Oh and Ms_Evans will be so happy to hear the pervert marriage was repealed in Maine too....laughing
Sorry about that Ms_E but like Rob said a little jab is ok, Just not the constant thrust of knives. {-:
By the way Woody the only COWARD anyone sees here is you hiding behind your key board "Know what i mean little boy".
Woody
Rob I understand. There are lots of people, who, for their own reasons are not prepared to kill. But, the do stand up and face the enemy. They give of themselves to their country and to their fellow citizens. They do not sit around and witch and moan yet refuse to take part in the most basic need of a free society, defense.
rtr
Hey, Woody and FutureResident, One more time of you pathetic insults and it will be back to where we were with rendering you liberals imptont with extensive in formation posted for twice as long as before or maybe longer if I see fit..
Note: Do you remember what the "EDITOR" said about the food fight and civility.
Let ne explain that to you since you do not seem to get it, It was a nice way of telling you to knock off the insult and GROW UP..
rtr
katorce14,
You started off that post so great and I was enjoying it very much.
Bragging up a socialist like FDR makes me sick but that is your problem and not mine that you can not under stand that socialism does not create any thing other than long term misery.
You seem to be continually bashing the republicans with out and common sense but let me educate you.
Wars are expensive and both Bushes had wars, The good thing about a war however is some of the money can be recouped through taxes of soldiers, materials from back home used in them and the fact that it takes men out of the work force.
Note: Taking men out of the work force is HUGE which points to Clinton did not hand Bush the most stable employment "Balance sheet" for lack of other words as you so proclaim. "The balanced budget money wise does not necessarily make a great economy as much as it may appear to you and has been proclaimed to be..
NOW, As for Reagan bashing on my account that is a joke, I hated him for your information and lost a very good job because of him PERSONALLY so don't even go there with that garbage with because I have no respect for him at all.
If you want to tone down the bashing of X-presidents I will be happy to explain it to you.
What I posted about Obama was and is a fact which just to let you know he is the current president, Just thought you might want to know that.
Also he will go down in history as one of the worst presidents in history if he continues with the path of corruption he is going down.
That 28% approval rating does not mean the rest of the country think he is a leader either just to inform you of that.
This CURRENT president has done nothing but make a mockery of the USA and endangered this country with poor leadership.
Comparing Obama to FDR or Any other president other than Jimmy Carter is a JOKE since he is nothing but a half black snake oil salesman is all.
katorce14
Yes I said sock market. It is a little known indicator of the economy measured by how many holes people will put up with in their socks before buying a new pair. It is similar to the stock market but measures the spending habits of those of us without discretionary spending to gamble on the stock market.
Pete
Well, hopefully the election results sent a small message to the Blue Dogs about the mood of the country and independent voters...."independent" Rob not withstanding. I also hope it sent a message to the Republican party that when conservatives and libertarians are forced to choose between ideology and a party...ideology wins hands down.
katorce14
rtr
Wow. I tokk until your 691st post for you to say something that made sense and was mostly true. There are a couple thing wrong in you thinking but mostly you are right that The real numbers of unemployed are hidden, we count only those getting benefits now. Most rational estimates put actual unemployment 5 to 8 percent higher. The rest of that post (and only that one) are correct in theory. The government should be and was the employer of last resort, In fact the WPA was the largest employer of the time. I also agree that we have not seen the worst yet especially in the stock market.
What is different today is that seniors who have seen pension be swindled away, or who have lost everything in the market have a very basic level of safety net. This socialist safety net means at least some of the people have a basic subsistence. This thanks to FDR. Of course according to Rush Limbaugh, the head of the Republican party we are trying to do something about that as well. Imagine if the Social security system was in the Stock marlket like the rebups wanted.
That said you continue to place blame on this to Obama. You might check your calendar and see when the Sock market crashed, when the TARP legislation was passed (after at first being rejected by congress because there were even less controls in place). What we are seeing is the direct and predictable result of thirty years of Reagannomics, and the calculated teardown of the middle class, by the corporate oligarchy. This has always been the result after a period of trickle down nonsense.
Obama inherited a huge bucket of horse stuff just as did FDR. Bush on the other hand inherited a balanced budget and falling deficits. He in turn unbalanced the budget by handing a gift to the top 1 percent. A gift that has cost American nearly a billion dollars iin the past eight years. I addition Bush kep war spending off the budget.
Facts
in 1980 Our debt was on a downward trend, it had falled from over 90 percent of GDP in 1950 to 33.3 percent of GDP. Debt in dollars quadrupled during the Reagan and Bush presidencies from 1980 to 1992.
It remained fairly flat in terms of percentage during Clinton
Under George W. Bush, the debt increased from $5.6 trillion in January 2001 to $10.7 trillion by December 2008 rising from 54% of GDP to 75% of GDP.
Did you get that RTR under wonder boy Reagan debt increased by a whole lot and under wonder boy Bush it didn't get a whle lot better. Worse yet it is predicted to rise due to Bush policies to more than 100 percent of GDP in 2012 and then begin to fall.
Rob123
Woody: CO Quaker Medics are some of the bravest, yet least recognized.
Woody
Hey Guys I am just playing by the rules here. If someone is a coward and too afraid to actually defend their country then someone should call them a coward. Right, rtr?
Rob123
"Interviews with voters leaving polling stations in both states were filled with reasons for Democrats to be concerned and for Republicans to be optimistic, particularly about independents - the crown jewel of elections because they often determine outcomes." Benznd.....I can't think of any good jokes this morning, outside of when rtr wakes up and reads the news and realizes how important 'Rob the Independent' is and puts me on his VIP list and starts courting my favors. It could get humorous? (-:
Rob123
oops.....s/be "Pre-Cold WAR prejudices".....I need a proof reader.....
Rob123
Rawhide: "Rob: Thanks for clarifying Ms. Evans' statement. Sometimes FDR and Marx sounded a lot alike....." (-: Sometimes one needs to step back another notch, take a big look, and realize Roosevelt was Pre-Cold prejudices and somewhat of a Left Wing Hegelian, (like Marx but NOT Marx) who knew what he was doing when he stacked the Supreme Court but had to do something to loosen the grip on MV (Velocity of money......MV was at light speed by 2006! Now, outside of Wall Street, it is at a Snails Pace, but so is inflation). Bernanke, as a Phd with extensive studies in the Great Depression, is doing a pretty good job so far, all things considered, in my opinion. It's ugly out here, but we are no where near 1930's despair without safety nets. But we will have a huge bill coming due.....the Cost of having a 'Country/Republic'.....Deferred Gratification should be the new Buzz Word? Especially amongst certain classes of the ME Generation.
Rob123
Old Blue....Thank You for your input. Much appreciated. And I agree with you concerning the acceptance of certain rules of behavior while out 'dancing' in public. It just plain makes sense. That said, when a Fred Astaire walks on to the dance floor with a Ginger Rogers, one tends to feel a little intimidated. Such feelings at one time where pushed into the realm of respect with a smile and maybe a 'WOW!' or two (especially when one realized Ginger was doing everything Fred was doing, except backwards and in High Heels! double 'Wow!)......Now, today, so many take the feeling and push it into the realm of jealousy and other petty emotions and get nasty with it. I don't know why, although part of the reason, in my own mind, is a dumbing down of cultural values and good taste. Another reason is that with the dismantling of the Nouveau Riche after our Gilded Age, turning their hideaways into America's Castles for all to see while Pres. Roosevelt tried to get money flowing again (much like today); Pres Roosevelt succeeded and by the 90's the lesson was forgotten and a new class of Nouveau Riche emerged and as we speak, the dismantling of this class of $ horders is taking place, along with our new 24/7 coverage of it. Uncomfortable times, to say the least. Yet, your call for "acceptance of certain rules of behavior while out 'dancing' in public" is noted, and I will try. Yet I just fume at $100M plus wages being paid out to CEO's and their top officers. And I fume at Union Wages that equal $60.00 an hour (with benefits added in) for jobs that require only that you had a relative or close friend who was able to get you into the gravy train and is nothing but an exclusive club/cartel....a Teddy Roosevelt nightmare pulling down America in ways Teddy didn't foresee. We all have to keep thinking. And we have to remember that our democracy elects LAWMAKERS who enact Laws inorder that OUR Republic remains viable and vibrant, since we Exist UNDER the law(s), not UNDER People(s). We are a Republic, after all.
FutureResident
Well said Old Blue. It's sad what the forum has devolved into thanks to rtr. I haven't posted in a while because it's gotten pathetic. Insults thrown at people he doesn't even know. Then reactions from others that somehow he twists into "they started it". rtr - You'll never get this, but I'd put my next 10 paychecks on the the following bet: The combined work ethics of the 5 most frequent liberal-ish posters against the 5 most frequent conservative-ish posters. If you actually knew some of us, you would be embarrassed by your actions. Show up at my place of work and ask my boss who the hardest working employee in the entire company is... shocker, not a conservative, just little old me cranking an average of 70+ hours a week. Your insults have no merit with people like me. Are there freeloaders out there - absolutely. Are the posters here part of that group - most likely not. In fact, most of the freeloaders I know are the same ones spewing the BS you do (minus the annoying cut and pastes). I was entertained at first, but now I'm just sad for our country. If this blog is any indication of how people can no longer debate rationally, we are in for a world of hurt. Congrats rtr, you've driven away many long time posters, not just liberals. Great work. May your computer die and spare us all, because you couldn't possibly have the courage to say such stuff to my face. And.... I too, cr*p bigger than you.
rtr
Rawhide I agree those were bad times and unemployment was very high but then again I don't think we have even begun to see the extent of what it is going to be here and the government hides the true statistics by using data that only counts who they want counted.
As for the CCC program, dam construction, irrigation and hydroelectric you are correct but here is the gota with that when the economy is not coming back on its own with a free market.
It puts lots of people to work but only for a few years and then when those jobs expire, finsihed what ever you end up with 1000's and 1000's of people looking for work that are untrained "Driving a cat or etc. road building does not quailify you for many jobs" especially when there arn't any to be had, Working on a hydroelectric dam does not quailify you for contruction work, You see where I am going with this.
What they are predicting this time around is a jobless recovery which means even if Obama does put some people to work there will be many many years before there are any jobs to be had after that.
The unfortunate part with Obama is he wasted so much money on tarp and bailouts that there is not enough left for CCC programs like there was back in the depression days.
We do have two wars going which helps as bad as that sounds but it is true, "We pay the soldiers and then we tax them and the companies back home make money and they get taxed" so it helps.
I truely believe the entire make up of America is going to change in the next ten years because of the depression we are going into right now.
The stock market is headed for another crash just like last year at this time and is falling fast with no end in sight for the next two or three years at the very best.
I gave Rob a couple suggestions the other day with stocks and he said he wouldn't even buy pork bellies right now and for good reason.
We have millions of illegals in this country right now taking middle to low paying jobs and it won't be to long and you will see people getting hungry and they will rebell and the people themselves will force them out if the government does not do it first."Hunger and the need to take care of your family will drive people to take extreme measures"
You may not agree and a lot of people have different opinions on it but this is mine and where I think we are headed.
Old Blue
i'll probally punch myself for putting my dime in,anyway you guys do alot of fighting and you don't allways say much. Been following the show for a couple a weeks now. Lots a hate generated from one fellow and lots of insults too. My grandson is going to put something here now.
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That is magic to me how he does that. Guess you guess I'm an old guy by now. And your right. But if your so smart, why can't you read that about the threatening, harrasing, and abusive hateful stuff that is not allowed here? I grew up where rules was the glue that kept the society from coming apart. But here, breaking them seems to be what keeps you bugs coming back for more. Bad mouthing and dishonoring Franklin Roosevelt, You know nothing about those times. I grew up in them and FDR faced down alot of powerful folks to help the rest of us and this nation out of the dust. Read all you want about it and read the stupid stuff taht is'nt even true if you want to waste your time. You got one guy here that can't respect nobody. He would have been pushed off the deck if he was sailing with me in the Pacific. Let me give you some advice sonny. Getting people riled up is'nt very hard to do. Getting them to think..now that's accomplishment. But first you got to start thinking your own self which you havent done yet.
Rawhide
rtr: I don't know if FDR's policies extended the depression or not. I suspect things were so bad he couldn't have made it much worse (over 25% of labor force was unemployed). FDR had his faults but he did create jobs and put a lot of people back to work even before WWII with the CCC program, dam construction, irrigation and hydroelectric programs. Give some credit where credit is due. Try reading "No Ordinary Time" by Doris Kearns Goodwin.
Bronco
Why is this person so important we have to engage in critical dialog with him? You guys are wasting time and energy. I'm done.
Woody
Hey grasshopper Defend your country or be looked upon as the coward that you are.
Woody
So, as I suspected,rtr you are one of those chicken hearted little cowards who talk lots of stuff but are afraid to actually stand up. Somehow I knew you were gutless.
benznd
Rob, make me laugh will ya? Laughter is good for the soul. Thanks
rtr
Rawhide if you think FDR was so good when it came to the depression you might want to check out what the belief is today with books written on it by the way.
What has been determined with hind sight is that FDR caused the depression to last an extra seven to ten years longer than it needed to if it wasn't for his socialist programs.
It is kind of like right now where Obama and his stimulus is doing no good what so ever to promote long term growth.
Unfortunately socialism never stimulates grown of any kind and is only a draw on the working and lower class do to more taxes needed to pay for it which always gets passed down to us even if it is given to corporations or the rich.
Just something to think about and look into.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0907/opinions-steve-forbes-real-deal-on-fdr.html
Real Deal on FDR New Deal or Raw Deal?: How FDR's Economic Legacy Has Damaged America
http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
Rawhide
rtr: FDR was elected during the great depression and did turn things around in part by enacting his socialist programs (which we probably needed at that time) and because of the massive industrial boom which was geared up to support WWII.
Just a side note: someone recently sent me an e-mail with numerous photos of people during the depression. The photos were captioned "And you think you have it bad now...". Those photos said it all.
SorrySOB
"Battle of witts". I'd say that pretty much sums it up.
rtr
Rawhide, By the way I disagee with you about Franklin D. Roosevelt being a good president.
I guess we can agree to disagee on that but in my opinion he was nothing but the worst and foremost starter of socialism in this country with Social Insecurity which was only brought into existance for the government to steal from with even more fraud and lies than Obama with his Health Care and more and more people all the time are starting to see it. "Just a thought"
Note: Obama now wants to dismantle Medicare which will lower the Health Care standard for the elderly and there is nothing to say they won't do it in the furure when it comes to Social Insecurity.
We have NO say in it and yet we have all been FORCED to pay into it and the is just plain wrong.
just thought I would throw that out there so the liberals here can see that not everything has to be an insulting fight just because someone disagress with them.
rtr
Raqhide
rtr: A couple clarifications. Iranians don't call themselves Arabs, they're Persians.
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I knew that but I lumped them together because of the area and religion, Like you said they can call themselves what ever they want but the end result is they are the enemy.
The fact is that there are a lot of wars that have NOT been supported by the people of the country but they had no choice but to follow the leaders to war or be shot.
My only concern is if "We and Europe" wouldn't have supported the Jews in 1948 "Giving them the left over arsenal from WWII" when they invaded Israel would we be facing off with the Arabs and Iran now? "Personally I am thinking not" But it is to late to turn back the clock now.
The Europeans wanted to get rid of the Jews in Europe so they funded the battle for Israel. "Go figure"
Rawhide
rtr: A couple clarifications. Iranians don't call themselves Arabs, they're Persians. They look down on Arabs as an inferior people. Granted, the majority of suicidal terrorists who pulled off the 9/11 attack were from Saudi Arabia (including Osama bin Laden), What these terrorists have in common with the current Iranian leaders is that they all follow a fanatical version of Islamic Jihad in which they believe it is their duty to destroy Israel and the U.S., and are willing to die to accomplish that objective. I want to emphasize that the vast majority of Muslims believe in maintaining peaceful relations with people of other faiths, but not the extremists. Their one goal is to destroy Israel and the U.S. in order to open the way for a single world wide Islamic government of their own design.
Rob123
"So does that mean we have a truse or NOT" Define 'truse'.....Although you comment to Rawhide that contained ...."Israelis have them and took that land from the Arabs in the first place and have in the past taken more and more along the way....." Good for you! That was intelligent! Really. Watch your Back! The Tribe(s) have Self Righteous down to a pseudo-science of immense complexity.
rtr
THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER
This one is a little different... . Two Different Versions.... .......... ..... Two Different Morals
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away..
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.
The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!
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MODERN VERSION
The ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN, and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
America is stunned by the sharp contrast.
How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green.'
ACORN stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, “We shall overcome.” Then Rev. Jeremiah Wright has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.
President Obama condemns the ant and blames President Bush, President Reagan, Christopher Columbus, and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight.
Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.
Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and given to the grasshopper.
The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his free-loading friends finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and once peaceful, neighborhood.
The entire Nation collapses bringing the rest of the free world with it.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2010
rtr
Rob, What I stated had to do with respect and nothing to do with putting a bit in your mouth unless you are incapible of showing respect for other people which you have show is very difficult for you to do in the past.
So does that mean we have a truse or NOT, If no answer to the question then I will asume not.
Rob123
""Not you however is that what you are saying" You only fought for your own I get it now?""
Dr. Benznd! Ring....Ring....Dr Benznd....Calling Doctor Benznd.......Patient rtr is exhibiting signs of internalized duality? He asks questions as if he is someone else, then answers them for the other person, not realizing he is talking to himself? Or, his punctuation sucks? Please advise!"........ok rtr, that was a test of your sense of humor. How did I do in your "the battle of witts and stamina will continue." megadrama? "Both of which you liberals seem to be short of"." Yikes, those gloves come off quick?
Rawhide
Rob: Thanks for clarifying Ms. Evans' statement. Sometimes FDR and Marx sounded a lot alike, but I do believe FDR was a great president. I sincerely hope president Obama will be just as good for America (we really need some great leadership right now), but I'm a little worried Obama is too naive and inexperienced to save us from our own ignorance and complacency.
rtr
Rawhide, Agreed with the Israelis which this country has always supported in the past almost to a pathetic point at times but to just up a desert them like we are now is like cutting off are nose to spite are face..
It is a very real threat and I have seen the stock market respond to it several times this year in fear that Israel was going to attack Iran.
I have to say it is complex do to the Arabs can not be trusted with nukes and yet the Israelis have them and took that land from the Arabs in the first place and have in the past taken more and more along the way which you can not blame the Arabs for being made about.
This time however it is the Arabs that are attacking us which brings me back to Pearl Harbor where the Japanees said they feared they had awaken a sleeping giant.
rtr
Woody
Have either of you done anything to have earned the freedom you enjoy? Or, did you just steal it from the rest of us?
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That is exactly what I mean by the constant insults "KNOCK IT OFF" or the battle of witts and stamina will continue. "Both of which you liberals seem to be short of".
Last I checked all armed forces fought for everyones freedom in America "Not you however is that what you are saying" You only fought for your own I get it now?
You see you are the problem and as for a solution you wouldn't know what that was if it hit you like a Mack truck.
Rob123
"Define "Platform building" "A place, means, or opportunity for public expression of opinion: a journal that served as a platform for radical views."
"Anotherwords you were and have been trying to make it your private recruitment section for people to be forced into your political presuation other wise you tried to run them off."
gees rtr, I voted for Bush twice! And the only poster on this blog I know personally is Frank. And like Rawhide, I don't take kindly to walking around with a bit in my mouth. You defending Rawhide .....my gosh....get a grip.....but I'll try to massage your control factor and agree with you whenever possible, so the conspiracy of 'other thoughts' doesn't overwhelm your sensitive balance. And Rawhide, Ms Evans was quoting Pres Roosevelt.....oops, I already broke rtr's Law of Submission. Sorry.
Rawhide
Bronco: You're forgiven. Sometimes our words are misunderstood.
rtr: Don't worry. No one is going to run me off. Also, in reference to the Israelis, I firmly believe they are the only ones who might prevent a nuclear attack against us from Islamic terrorists, especially the Iranian bunch. The Israelis seem to be the only ones with the intelligence and gonads to make a preemptive strike to keep Iran from using a nuclear weapon. Many experts have warned, once Iran has a nuke, they will be able to wipe out 6 million Jews in six minutes, the time it takes for one missile from Iran to reach Israel.
Ms. Evans: "We have inherited a system that works efficiently to produce tremendous wealth, but fails to distribute that wealth equitably." - Sounds like a quote from Karl Marx. Am I right?
Editor: Is my language OK now?
Woody
Since earning is so important to some here, I would like to know something. I know how Rob and Nat and Benz and I earned our freedom. We sacrificed years of our lives and served in the defense of our country. I am curious rtr, did you do any more than your defender the country editor to EARN your freedom. It seems that words come easy (if a bit incoherrent) to both of you. How about actions? Have either of you done anything to have earned the freedom you enjoy? Or, did you just steal it from the rest of us?
Rawhide
Bronco: You're forgiven. Sometimes our words are misunderstood.
rtr: Don't worry. No one is going to run me off. Also, in reference to the Israelis, I firmly believe they are the only ones who might prevent a nuclear attack against us by Islamic terrorists, especially the Iranian bunch. The Israelis seem to be the only ones with the intelligence and b*lls to make a preemptive strike to keep Iran from using a nuclear weapon. Many experts have warned, once Iran has a nuke, they will be able to wipe out 6 million Jews in six minutes, the time it takes for one missile from Iran to reach Israel.
Ms. Evans: "We have inherited a system that works efficiently to produce tremendous wealth, but fails to distribute that wealth equitably." - Sounds like a quote from Karl Marx. Am I right?
rtr
Rob, Talk is cheap, Let me know if it is a truse or not?
rtr
Define "Platform building
A place, means, or opportunity for public expression of opinion: a journal that served as a platform for radical views.
Anotherwords you were and have been trying to make it your private recruitment section for people to be forced into your political presuation other wise you tried to run them off.
I agree with your statement when it comes to economics and past presidents “In a realistic manor” however sensible is one of your followers and does NOTHING but BASH Bush and tell lies when it comes to the amount of irresponsible spending Obama had done in comparison. "That is unexceptable" and I don't even like Bush so what does that tell you.
That would also include knocking off the of Bashing the DIL since I have stated every time you do that you are insulting the MAJORITY of people that live in the Valley that buy the paper. "That is uncalled for and if you don't like the DIL then find another place to spread your propaganda"
It is you liberals that have run off the majority of the people from this comment section so I guess I should ask is it that you only want like minded people here or can you really get along and play with others like you claim you can?
Bronco
Ms Evans, great post...a keeper.
benznd
I have looked for information related to OCD and politics but have not been able to find what I want. However, I came across some information pertaining to the disgruntled among us. Those select few that post on this blog often make grandeious statements about our past and present government. "They" seem to thrive on air. A perpetual energy source. There is NO real connection with Obama himself as their hatred is aimed at mistrust of any form of government. We are in an economic hole and it sends fear through their souls. Government run "anything" is bad. So, we can argue and foam at the mouth all we want. It does little good. We do not know the enemy. The enemy is like Al Quida. They live among us, they dress like us, they speak our language, and their kids are in our education system. They pay taxes and drive cars just like everyone else. Just do not engage in meaningful dialogue. Do not go beyond the weather and sports. They are a time bomb waiting to hammer their victims with anti-American hatred. I am not being derogatory, as those who believe "extremism in defense of liberty is no vice" are a part of our big umbrella Country. Know thy enemy folks and speak to their hatred, and forget about facts. Look at the heading for this weeks 2 cents. Watch your back..... What is that but cultural/political/antiAmerican paranoia. Go figure
Rob123
Define "Platform building".....Certainly a continuity of thought is a good thing? And I don't understand how one can dismiss past presidents when one is faced with a Federal and State bureaucracy of millions moving at the pace of a glacier? One sometimes needs to follow a thread back inorder to understand the present position inorder to maybe figure out a future direction? 1 little example being how did our financial system get into thinking they could be leveraged 40 times and not fall down? And fall down hard?
rtr
Rob
But it is no longer a learning experience, and we are down to 3 or 4 diehards. Is this what you wanted?
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That is not entirely true, i seen you liberals run off more than one person with intimidation, Ganging up on them, and coersion in order to run them off.
The difference is it did not work with me so yes I put on the brass knuckles as you call it.
Prime example was what Bronco just did when it came to Rawhide a few minutes ago so don't even go there with the holly than thou stuff.
rtr
Rob, Please feel free to express your self so long as it isn't bashing some president that is not in office now, "Including Clinton", "It's irrelevant their are gone" Know what I mean or any political platform building.
That is all I ask, Whether you think so or not I too would like the civility in this comment section.
What I was doing prior to this was making the point of what comes around goes around but I am willing to stop if you want to call a trouse. "Your call"?
Rob123
"It must have been somethiing funny prior to me coming on board." rtr, there used to be a lot of funny things before you came onboard. Like a boxing match, with jabs here and there, but mainly sparing. You entered the ring with the indignation of a new boss on the street sniffing out his turf, and replaced the boxing gloves with brass knuckles. I have no idea why? But it is no longer a learning experience, and we are down to 3 or 4 diehards. Is this what you wanted?
Ms_Evans
"Democrats are closed minded, hateful, judgmental, anti-American, tax increases and voting yes on everything that increases government."
This is, by far, one of the most obtuse statements today. Which political spectrum is more likely to work for the dispossessed, poor and needy? Hateful? Listen to the pundits...judgmental?? Take any hot-button issue and see which political spectrum member you're most likely to get shot by. Tax increases? Last 8 years... under conservative control only the top 5 percent have had their taxes go down.
Kenyan terrorist? With all due respect, there are SOME people who believe there's only ONE AMERICAN WAY. I think the problems in America can be resolved in different ways and from different perspectives. Why is it that some people see everything out of their comfort zone as a threat? They are so undimensional in their concept that they simply condemn anything they're not familiar with or that is new and refreshing.
Greed may be a driving force for the economy, but it is destructive to community. Greed may leave a few crumbs behind for the poor, and it may do some unintended good, but it destroys compassion. Compassion is in short supply in our society today where workers are being downsized in the name of efficiency, prisons are being expanded to insulate society from its underclasses, and the middle class is abandoned by the rich to fight it out with the poor for the table scraps.
We have inherited a system that works efficiently to produce tremendous wealth, but fails to distribute that wealth equitably. It neglects the poor and it corrupts the rich. On both counts it destroys community. A decent life for all is a matter of simple justice, not charity! There are remedies that will make the system work better in the interests of all the people, but it takes active political involvement to bring them about.
Those who say we should settle for crumbs would make us a nation of beggars.
rtr
Bronco,
This was such a pleasant room before
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That is only because you had been successful in running off any opposition to your Lunatic and Un-American beliefs.
Rob123
If my take on what the posts says is different than what you think it says, are you going to come unglued and call me names and start your 'cut and paste' all over again? Or can we freely express our opinions concerning 'this and that'. p.s. I thought you would like that post.
rtr
Can some one please explain the middle name of obama being racist, It must have been somethiing funny prior to me coming on board. "I have to say it makes me chuckle every time I see a post about it" even though I have no clue why.?
Please let me in on the joke.
Bronco
Sorry, Rawhide. It just gets frustrating dealing with the old ways of being afraid of everyone and the destruction that follows. Then we got rtr stoking the furnace of hatred with each and every post. This was such a pleasant room before... enjoyable even. Now it's just so stressful to witness such close-minded, hurtful, insulting attacks on people I respect and we are helpless to do anything but leave the site to the rantings and ravings of an unbridled lunatic with a cancerous soul. He laughs at other people's misery. He insults widows and the elderly. He's a herpes sore that just can't heal and one cannot ignore the itch for long.
rtr
Rob
That was a very good post "I have not looked up the info yet" but I totaly agree with T. Boone that it is an outrage what we alow other countries to get away with since it is our people that died there.
Just my guess it is a pay back for the Chinese proping up our economey here lately however just like everywhere you look it is becoming complete corruption at the highest level.
Rawhide
rtr: I prefer not to be goaded into playing someone elses game. It's easier to just ignore them rather than encourage them. By the way, in my blog I was careful not to use the president's middle name lest I be written off as just another red neck racist. Red neck I can live with.
rtr
Rawhide
then I'll leave you be.
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"Rawhide" If you alow them to run you off then they will have won and will be alowed to continue with their Hatred of America postings here.
Please do not let that happen.
Rob123
"Oil tycoon T. Boone Pickens told Congress on Wednesday that U.S. energy companies are "entitled" to some of Iraq's crude because of the large number of American troops that lost their lives fighting in the country and the U.S. taxpayer money spent in Iraq...
"They're opening them (oil fields) up to other companies all over the world ... We're entitled to it," Pickens said of Iraq's oil. "Heck, we even lost 5,000 of our people, 65,000 injured and a trillion, five hundred billion dollars."
"We leave there with the Chinese getting the oil," Pickens said."
rtr
A 28% approval rating ONLY for Obama today is partially do to exactly what you pointed out Rawhide and does have people very concerned.
When it comes to Israel “Which I am not a strong supporter of” “The however is” Obama has almost completely turned his back on them and at this point and time they are like a buffer between us being attacked or not being attacked when it comes to the intelligence they have on the Arab countries and I wouldn’t blame them for taking on Iran all by themselves in the near future just to survive as a nation if Obama doesn’t straighten up and start taking these wars we are in seriously.
Rawhide
Bronco: I'm not sure how I set you off, but I apparently did. Try to get ahold of yourself, son. The sky is not falling yet. If you can't handle a little truth and reality, then I'll leave you be.
rtr
Rawhide
I’ve noticed more and more readers of our Country Editor’s columns have been getting caught up and carried away with childishly stupid rancor of late. For us more serious readers, you all are a big disappointment
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I agree with you on all accounts.
With regards to the childishness it seems to be the only thing that get's these socialists attention that are posting here is playing the same games with them that they like to play when it comes to anyone opposing them.
If they were to quite with their intimidation, ganging up on, coersing and the covering up of the conserative sides posts I would be more than willing to quit but untill then I will continue to play their game since they had already distroyed any resembalance to common sence or civility in this comment section a long time ago.
Don't be suprised if you don't get called a racist after using the term Muslim like Pete and Myself did time and time again when I pointed out what an outrage it was for Obama to have a SYRAIN" born and raised for Muslim for his "CARZ' in the homeland security department.
Bronco
This is ridiculous. I am no longer interested in anything but the topic of the current column. Rawhide, just kill them all and let gGod sort them out. Let's just keep destroying each other nationally, politically, ethnically, dogmatically, and personally. That's the answer you inbred bunch of rednecks have for everything: fear it, then kill it. Good luck with evolution.
Rawhide
I’ve noticed more and more readers of our Country Editor’s columns have been getting caught up and carried away with childishly stupid rancor of late. For us more serious readers, you all are a big disappointment. Let me give you something serious to think about and hopefully get you back on track to discussing a more important topic, one that involves a very real and IMMINENT danger to all of us. And yes, our president Barrack Obama is at the center of this problem.
I’m talking about a very real threat of a major terrorist attack against our USA involving the use of nuclear and or biological weapons unleashed against one or more major cities. The resulting catastrophe will likely kill and injure millions of Americans. The attack of 9/11 will be child’s play in comparison. According to several world leaders and experts on terrorist organizations, the question is not IF but WHEN it is going to happen.
(Think of all the meaningful discussions we could be having directly related to this one; Homeland security, border issues, intelligence gathering practices, preemptive strike against Iran, ignorance to such a threat in Washington DC, etc., etc.)
The central instigators for this attack against the USA are fanatical Muslims who are committed to give up their lives in order to destroy Israel, the USA and western society. Iran’s current radical Muslim leaders and Osama Bin Laden’s al Qaeda organization are leading this assault, but they are not hardly alone. Let me quote just a few authorities on this issue:
“Our intelligence confirmed that the most senior leaders of al-Qaida [Bin Laden and his deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri] are singularly focused on acquiring WMD.” -- George Tenet, former CIA director
“My greatest fear is that Islamic terrorists will launch a nuclear tipped missile at a U.S. city from a cargo container ship off our coast” -- Lt. Gen. William Boykin, Deputy U.S. Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence
How soon might Iran have a nuclear bomb? “It is in terms of a couple of years.” -- Gen. Moshe Ya’alon, former Israeli Chief of Staff, (statement made in March 2007).
“I think the West… still misunderstands the threat of Radical Islam.” -- Benjamin Netanyahu , Israeli Prime Minister
“I mean, think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela - these countries are tiny…. They don’t pose a serious threat to us.” -- Barrack Obama, (August 2008)
You can lean more about this issue by reading the recently published and well documented best seller “Inside the Revolution” by Joel Rosenberg. I only hope President Obama will read it.
Rebel Rouser
Washington (CNN) -- One year after he won a historical presidential election, a slight majority of Americans approve of the job Barack Obama's doing in the White House.
Fifty-four percent of people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Tuesday approve of how Obama is handling his duties as president, with 45 percent saying they disapprove.
"Obama's approval rating of 54 percent is nearly identical to the 53 percent of the vote he won a year ago," notes CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "And in nearly every demographic category, the percent that approve of Obama today is within two to three points of the percent who voted for him in 2008. It's a different story when we turn to ideology. His approval rating among liberals is 7 points higher than the number of liberals who voted for him. But among conservatives, the number who like Obama today is down 10 points compared to his share of the vote among that group in 2008."
The survey suggests that the president's approval rating remains over 50 percent even though most Americans disapprove of how Obama is handling the economy, health care, Afghanistan, Iraq, unemployment, illegal immigration and the federal budget deficit.
How does he do it?
"By retaining a reservoir of goodwill left over from his election to the White House a year ago. Six in 10 say Obama inspires confidence in them; six in 10 also call him a strong leader who is honest and trustworthy. Sixty-three percent say he is not a typical politician. More than half give Obama a thumbs-up on 11 of the 12 personal characteristics tested," adds Holland.
Only 45 percent say he has a clear plan for solving the country's problems -- the only item on which a majority has a negative view of him.
It's a different story when it comes to issues. More than half have a positive view on Obama on only three of the 14 issues noted in the survey. Obama does get a 62 percent approval rating on the environment and -- despite recent vaccine shortages - 57 percent approve of how he has handled the government response to the H1N1 flu.
But a bare majority -- 51 percent -- approve of how Obama is handling foreign policy overall even though he gets some of his lowest scores on Iraq and Afghanistan.
Three days after winning the election, then president-elect Obama said he would succeed "if we put aside partisanship and politics and work together as one nation. That's what I intend to do."
Do Americans think the president will unite the country? The poll indicates Americans are divided, with 51 percent saying Obama will unite the country and 48 percent feeling he will not succeed in ending partisanship.
Another factor that may be boosting Obama's overall rating is the inevitable comparison with the man he replaced in the Oval Office. Fifty-seven percent say Obama has been a better president than George W. Bush; only a third say Bush's track record was better.
"Compared to Obama, Bush does fairly well among southerners and rural voters. But even in those categories, a majority still says Obama has done a better job than Bush," says Holland.
The survey also suggests that by 24 points, Americans think that Joe Biden is a better vice president than Dick Cheney.
The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted October 30 through November 1, with 1,018 adult Americans questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.
rtr
I am NOT a republican but I sure did find this funny now that Obama is floundering around like a fish out of water with his presidency at only a 28% approval and falling daily.
The late Burt Blumert predicted that the media and the Democrats would keep attacking Palin after the election, and even step it up as they got more worried that the Blessed One might be a one-termer, and saw her as his biggest threat. Burt made this prediction, btw, before BO’s inauguration. This was not an endorsement of the ex-gov, who looks to Bill Kristol, of all creeps, for political guidance, but he found the whole situation fascinating and funny. He also said that, issues aside, “the rich NY and LA liberal women” who dominate the Democratic party “hate Palin most of all for being beautiful.” Their beau ideal, he said, was Bella Abzug.
rtr
Bronco
Quit feeding it. And we'll be rid of it.
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It sure is funny how you tell your socialist sheep friends to quit feeding me and then you do just the opposite. "What is up with that".
You are like a dog chasing his tail one direction and then you turn around and chase it the other way. "Too Funny"
rtr
Oh you know I just thought of something funny.
With only a 28% approval rating for Obama even Sarah Palin could beat him in an election now.
rtr
I sure have to agree with Webster and it points out I have every right to call you Socialists, Fascists, Communists, and Marxists since I have seen several of you proclaim to be progressive socialists posting here and your little leader Robbie has even claimed his allegiance to Marxism so please do NOT tell me not to call you any of the above any more or I will repost this continually until you get it.
The least you could do is be proud of what you are, I might even have some respect for you then but instead you are like the coward Obama who is an out right socialist but just won’t admit to it. “In public any way but I am sure he does with his terrorist buddy Ayres”
Socialism Defined
"In Webster’s New World College Dictionary, socialism is defined as “any of various theories or systems of the ownership and operation of the means of production and distribution by society or the community rather than by private individuals, with all members of society or community sharing in the work and products.” Essentially, everyone works together for the greater good. This is the intermediate stage, according to Marxist doctrine, which comes between the capitalism and communism stages".
Socialist Countries of the World
"Socialist states have included the USSR, Communist China, Sweden, England, Cuba and North Korea. Socialism has also claimed smaller states in Eastern Europe, East Africa, as well as SE Asia. More recently, Venezuela has come into the socialist fold under the leadership of Hugo Chavez".
rtr
By the way Bronco how is that plummeting poll number for the socialist Kenyan going for you.
rtr
Bronco
by revealing your and your ilk's agenda
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You have not revealed any agenda since I don't have an agenda and I deffinately haven't seen any agenda from the right at all like you and your Socialist / marxist political platform building which makes that quite hummorous.
rtr
Bronco
Did you mean 'omissions': like integrity, sensitivity, civility, kindness, courage, concern, commonality, open-mindedness, and charm?
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And that would be like you call me a ReTaRd like Frank the Editor pointed out, Sure wish I had the civility you do with all the other name calling and insults you have done along the way to.
By all means help me be a good little socialist Nazi like you so I can make bigger and better and more approved insults like you do.
rtr
By the way how is that working out for you now that the kenyan terroist lovers polls are at the lowest in history for any president. 28%.
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Correction, That would be in the first year of office and note they are Plummeting Daily.
rtr
Ms_Evans
Get off it. Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a solution, however complicated it might be.
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What you really mean to say is come join us or we will unleash the rath of the God that we don't believe in on you.
By the way how is that working out for you now that the kenyan terroist lovers polls are at the lowest in history for any president. 28%.
It sure is working good for me and proves the people do finally wake up and see the light after the great misstake of allowing voter fraud from the likes of ACORN to happen but even the ghetto is turning on your boy now.
rtr
Yep, For sure what you Liberal Socialist / Facist / Marxist Communists that are posting and professing here is best summed up in this definition.
By the way sensible that DOES INCLUDE YOU.
Socialism: an economic system established by a workers government as a transitional stage to communism. During socialism the workers government uses state power to dismantle the remnants of the old society, they nationalize industries, create social programs, and public institutions. The power of the workers government is also used to suppress the return of the capitalist class to power. Socialism can be implemented on a national or regional scale.
Communism: according to Marxist literature, communism occurs when the entire earth has been brought under workers governments practicing socialism and that the people of the earth have been sufficiently educated, the capitalists have been entirely deprived of power, and the distinctions between classes have been eliminated. the most distinguishing feature of communism is that it is a world system (Marx was specific on this) and that there are no more class divisions.
Fascism: Fascism on the other hand is a bit more disorganized as a political or economic philosophy, the term itself was invented by Mussolini (leader of Italy) to describe his own political philosophy ... the name Fascism comes from the Roman word Fasces, which were bundles of wood representing the authority of the Roman Republic ...
the two most commonly recognized examples of fascism are Italy under Mussolini and Germany under Hitler and the Nazi party and they do have some commonalities ... both are characterized with extreme nationalism (even extreme racism in the case of the Nazi's) and romantic imagery , strong central leaders (dictators), an alliance of social classes (but not an absence of worker oppression), and governments in collusion with business through the building of cartels (government sponsored monopolies) .... but there was a lot of variation between the governments of Hitler and Mussolini and there is a great deal of debate even today that fascism existed anywhere outside Italy or if the Nazi's were fascists, hence the term Nazism.
what is important to remember is that both Socialism and Communism are considered to be Left on the political spectrum while Fascism is considered to be Right ... some people like to argue that the Nazi party was called the National Socialist party and that because they have the word socialist in their name it means they are socialists .... what is important to understand is that germany in the interwar period (between WWI and WWII) there was a very large segment of the population that subscribed to socialist views as well as an opposing section of the population that subscribed to nationalist views .... the choice of the name National Socialist party was intended to draw people from all over the country and essentially to fool any persons that may be disposed to socialism that they represented socialist ideals ...
it is also important to note that socialism and communism are economic systems, meaning they can be democracies or autocracies, although many seem to believe that dictatorships or totalitarian regimes are prerequisites of socialism and communism this does not appear in the political theory ... although the dictatorship of workers over capitalists along with revolution to overthrow capitalism is stressed ...
Fascism on the other hand is exclusively operated by undemocratic principles and somewhat modeled on a military command structure ... or more like a gang or club ... often featuring a strongman leader and various powerful officials supporting him while enriching themselves ....
Bronco
Did you mean 'omissions': like integrity, sensitivity, civility, kindness, courage, concern, commonality, open-mindedness, and charm? Or did you mean 'emissions': like hatred, animosity, inflexibility, and cowardice? You will need to be more accurate here. None of us respects dishonesty or a muddled sense of self. As far as your 'mission' goes, I have rendered it impotent by revealing your and your ilk's agenda...if you care to read anything except what reinforces your twisted beliefs...Hey, rtr, you're into disrespecting widows, bet you had a field day with the state trooper widows in the DIL the other day. Oh, that's right...you were too busy insulting sensible's aged father. You, sir, have cancer of the soul.
Ms_Evans
A whole lot of swift boat tactics going on in this forum. In spite of the loud, shrill voices trying to interrupt, distract, divert and manipulate just to throw a monkey wrench into whatever the issue is, most of us, including most Americans continue to be positive and work hard on solutions.
Swift boat politics is so tiring and fruitless When people and their issues become .intolerant, inert, fly-blown, incoherent, and delusional resorting to name calling ie. socialist/commies, it's a real shame.
A once-idealistic, decent political party of all the states and all demographics for 150 years has now become a cruel cadre that defines itself like a jihad—by what it is against.
Get off it. Instead of being part of the problem, be part of a solution, however complicated it might be.
rtr
Sensible
to hurl personal insults at one of the most decent people (that rtr has never met) this country has produced (my father) is beyond policy discussion or simplistic name-calling. and then to hide behind franks's coattails......................
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Actually sensible I did not hurl any personal attacks against your father at all but you have to admit if your father lost one pension under Reagan and then another one under Bush he probably wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer when it came to economics no matter what or how decent a man he is..
rtr
Al Gore getting caught in his lies about global warming.
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: November 2, 2009
“WASHINGTON — Former Vice President Al Gore thought he had spotted a winner last year when a small California firm sought financing for an energy-saving technology from the venture capital firm where Mr. Gore is a partner.
Former Vice President Al Gore, who has become a major voice around the world on the issue of climate change, spoke last month at a forum in Dubai.
The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient. It came to Mr. Gore’s firm, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, one of Silicon Valley’s top venture capital providers, looking for $75 million to expand its partnerships with utilities seeking to install millions of so-called smart meters in homes and businesses.
Mr. Gore and his partners decided to back the company, and in gratitude Silver Spring retained him and John Doerr, another Kleiner Perkins partner, as unpaid corporate advisers.
The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts. Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr. Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.
Silver Spring Networks is a foot soldier in the global green energy revolution Mr. Gore hopes to lead. Few people have been as vocal about the urgency of global warming and the need to reinvent the way the world produces and consumes energy. And few have put as much money behind their advocacy as Mr. Gore and are as well positioned to profit from this green transformation, if and when it comes.
Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming skeptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world’s first “carbon billionaire,” profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.
Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, asserted at a hearing this year that Mr. Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.
Mr. Gore says that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is.
“Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?” Mr. Gore said. “I am proud of it. I am proud of it.”
In an e-mail message this week, he said his investment activities were consistent with his public advocacy over decades.
“I have advocated policies to promote renewable energy and accelerate reductions in global warming pollution for decades, including all of the time I was in public service,” Mr. Gore wrote. “As a private citizen, I have continued to advocate the same policies. Even though the vast majority of my business career has been in areas that do not involve renewable energy or global warming pollution reductions, I absolutely believe in investing in ways that are consistent with my values and beliefs. I encourage others to invest in the same way.”
Mr. Gore has invested a significant portion of the tens of millions of dollars he has earned since leaving government in 2001 in a broad array of environmentally friendly energy and technology business ventures, like carbon trading markets, solar cells and waterless urinals.
He has also given away millions more to finance the nonprofit he founded, the Alliance for Climate Protection, and to another group, the Climate Project, which trains people to present the slide show that was the basis of his documentary “An Inconvenient Truth.” Royalties from his new book on climate change, “Our Choice,” printed on 100 percent recycled paper, will go to the alliance, an aide said.
Other public figures, like Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who have vocally supported government financing of energy-saving technologies, have investments in alternative energy ventures. Some scientists and policy advocates also promote energy policies that personally enrich them.
As a private citizen, Mr. Gore does not have to disclose his income or assets, as he did in his years in Congress and the White House. When he left government in early 2001, he listed assets of less than $2 million, including homes in suburban Washington and in Tennessee.
Since then, his net worth has skyrocketed, helped by timely investments in Apple and Google, profits from books and his movie, and scores of speeches for which he can be paid more than $100,000, although he often speaks at no charge.
He is a founder of Generation Investment Management, based in London and run by David Blood, a former head of Goldman Sachs Asset Management (the firm was quickly dubbed Blood and Gore). Mr. Gore earns a partner’s salary at Kleiner Perkins. He has substantial personal finances invested at both firms, officials of the companies said.
He also serves as an adviser to high-profile technology companies including Apple and Google, relationships that have paid him handsome dividends over the last eight years.
Mr. Gore’s spokeswoman would not give a figure for his current net worth, but the scale of his wealth is evident in a single investment of $35 million in Capricorn Investment Group, a private equity fund started by his friend Jeffrey Skoll, the first president of eBay.
Ion Yadigaroglu, a co-founder of Capricorn, said that Mr. Gore does not sit on the fund’s investment committee, but obviously agrees with the partners’ strategy of putting long-term money into promising ventures in energy, technology and health care around the globe.
“Aspirationally,” said Mr. Yadigaroglu, who holds a doctorate from Stanford in astrophysics, “we’re trying to make more money than others doing the same thing and do it in a way that is superior in ethics and impacts.”
Mr. Gore has said he invested in partnerships and funds that try to identify and support companies that are advancing cutting-edge green technologies and are paving the way toward a low-carbon economy.
He has a stake in the world’s pre-eminent carbon credit trading market and in an array of companies in bio-fuels, sustainable fish farming, electric vehicles and solar power.
Capricorn holds a major stake in Falcon Waterfree Technologies, the world’s leading maker of waterless urinals. Generation has holdings in Ausra, a solar energy company based in California, and Camco, a British firm that develops carbon dioxide emissions reduction projects. Kleiner Perkins has a green ventures fund with nearly $1 billion invested in renewable energy and efficiency concerns.
Mr. Gore also has substantial interests in technology, media and biotechnology ventures that have no direct tie to his environmental advocacy, an aide said.
Mr. Gore is not a lobbyist, and he has never asked Congress or the administration for an earmark or policy decision that would directly benefit one of his investments. But he has been a tireless advocate for policies that would move the country away from the use of coal and oil, and he has begun a $300 million campaign to end the use of fossil fuels in electricity production in 10 years.
But Marc Morano, a climate change skeptic who until recently was a top aide to Senator James M. Inhofe, Republican of Oklahoma, said that what he saw as Mr. Gore’s alarmism and occasional exaggerations distorted the debate and also served his personal financial interests.
Mr. Gore has testified numerous times in support of legislation to address climate change and to revamp the nation’s energy policies.
He appeared before the House Energy and Commerce Committee in April to support an energy and climate change bill that was intended to reduce global warming emissions through a cap-and-trade program for major polluting industries.
Mr. Gore, who shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his climate advocacy, is generally received on Capitol Hill as something of an oracle, at least by Democrats.
But at the hearing in April, he was challenged by Ms. Blackburn, who echoed some of the criticism of Mr. Gore that has swirled in conservative blogs and radio talk shows. She noted that Mr. Gore is a partner at Kleiner Perkins, which has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in firms that could benefit from any legislation that limits carbon dioxide emissions.
“I believe that the transition to a green economy is good for our economy and good for all of us, and I have invested in it,” Mr. Gore said, adding that he had put “every penny” he has made from his investments into the Alliance for Climate Protection.
“And, Congresswoman,” he added, “if you believe that the reason I have been working on this issue for 30 years is because of greed, you don’t know me.”
rtr
Bronco
Quit feeding it. And we'll be rid of it.
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Don't count on it, Remember I have a mission.
Bronco
Quit feeding it. And we'll be rid of it.
rtr
Rebel Rouser, It appears you need to take a better look at it.
Note: The recent trillion-dollar “stimulus” give-away, increased government borrowing, weak job creation, and crumbling state and municipal finances. A socialist rampage.
Freedom is at stake
Posted On October - 31 - 2009
Our government is out of control. America is in big trouble.
Our nation is on the verge of bankruptcy, thanks to years of uncontrolled federal spending, the 2008 financial bailout, the recent trillion-dollar “stimulus” give-away, increased government borrowing, weak job creation, and crumbling state and municipal finances. A socialist rampage.
Liberty in America is in very great danger; it is under attack from our own government. Also, we are in danger of losing free speech – a plot by dangerous radicals who hate private ownership.
This is not a question of party. It concerns the future of all Americans.
To quote Mark Levin: “So distant is America today from its founding principles that it is difficult to precisely describe the nature of American government.”
We must ask: What is the legitimate role of government?
Just look at the rule book, the Constitution. America was founded as a republic, not a democracy. American citizens are the sovereigns in our system of government. Candidates for office who favor free markets, limited government and low taxes are the ones we should support.
Wake up, Americans, or surrender your last freedoms".
Nancy W. Wall
Hollis
rtr
Look at this, The kenyan fell another point again today and he hasn't even completed a year yet.
Remember it was at 29% two days ago and now 28%, lowest in history that I now of with only having less than a year in office.
What happens when your approval rating hits ZERO is the question and at this rate we only have a month to go...LOL
Daily Presidential Tracking Poll
"Tuesday, November 03, 2009
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -13 (see trends)".
Rebel Rouser
One of rtr's posts: 50 Examples of Government Waste
Posted On October - 28 - 2009. Very informative. Written in 2006. Information provided is fairly correct. These government ripoffs were taking place while your fearless leader (George W. Bush) was the president of the United States of America. If the Republicans are sooooooooo great, why didn't they stop recklessly spending tax payer's dollars when they had the chance? rtr, you stand for an ideal that is not true, Republicans are no better than Democrats. Here is (IMHO) some truth for you to absorb: There is NO god, politicians are mostly (or soon will be) crooks, you ARE going to die, This planet we LIVE on is (at this time) the only place we CAN live, and we can help each other or kill each other. These are indisputable facts (in reality) which should be the basis for deciding how we live. Everything else is pretty much BS (including politics). You have taken an extreme position, and when all is said and done, most of it is not that important (at least not until the communists raid your house at night and take you away ha, ha). Ps, accept your mortality and live like you understand it.
rtr
Rob123
rtr....drop the Forrest Gump persona for a minute and think: "Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg"? Can civility break out?
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Now see little robbie there you go with the insult fist and then the begging for fogiveness second.
Civility was and has always been your option which you have chose not to take.
I am just guessing but I bet Jack sure wishes he wouldn't have traded emails with the likes of you after getting to see the real little robbie and his band of socialist sheep in action.
Bronco
Here is the summation of the hard right’s agenda. This third one sheds the klieg light on the bully mentality of many who post here in this very room. You hard right guys should pay attention, the wool is already been pulled over your view of the world, time for some enlightenment. And drop the wall of pride for a few minutes. Every great peacemaker was also humble:
3) (With appropriate kudos to Steve Miller) Fundamentally change the nature of international relations from a trilateral world in which multinational elites collaborated on creating an investment-friendly world into a US-dominated new world order in which narrow nationalist goals are achieved through unilateral and pre-emptive use of the US’s military power and everyone else is forced to accommodate Washington’s ability to create facts on the ground. This involves the radical transformation or withering away of many existing multinational organizations and arrangements and the permanent escalation of US military spending (which helps support the other two strategic goals). It plays to the US’s currently dominating military strength while papering over our economic and other weaknesses. It also serves a domestic purpose of evoking knee-jurk nationalism and concern for the soldiers, which distracts attention other issues and makes it very hard to mount an oppositional movement. Acting like a bully also helps create the type of world that justifies the behavior. In the Middle East, Hamas and Sharon need each other to legitimize their own violence as the only viable response to the extremism of the other side. Similarly, by acting in ways that assume the world is full of terrorists, that allies are untrustworthy, that security comes from hitting everyone else before they can hit you, the new imperialists help create the very conditions they claim to be responding to, which then makes it necessary to act even more aggressively.
The most important implication of all this is that large segments of the domestic and world population are no longer seen as worth worrying about. On one level, this is just racism and classism. But theres more than that going on. In the past, capitalism was optimistic and assumed that it would keep expanding, which provided the basis for a corporate liberalism that saw everyone in the world as a potential consumer and/or laborer and therefore having some potential worth. But the new reactionaries see the future as much more of a zero-sum game. Partly, this is an expression of their incredible greed and corruption, their incessant efforts to rip off wealth for themselves and their narrow sets of cronies. In any case, the result is that most of Africa, large swaths of Latin America and Asia, and significant parts of the domestic US population have been simply written off. Individuals who may arise from the trodden mass are welcome as junior partners, but there is no concern at all for the general well being of these sectors beyond token PR and the limited need to keep local elites from causing too much anti-American trouble on the world stage.
Remember, these outlines came from an essay written in 2000. See how much came true during the Bush administration. Your blind, party allegiance is the result of your up-to-now inability to see the big picture. You are most of you, good fellows, family men. I know that in your hearts, you really don’t support this ideology. I take you to task to reread the three goals of the hard right agenda that I posted once again. You love this country so much, is that what you want it to become?
Rob123
rtr....drop the Forrest Gump persona for a minute and think: "Which came first, the Chicken or the Egg"? Can civility break out?
rtr
faithful reader
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Did I mention that you are nothing but a very very small minority of the population here in the Valley that probably doesn't buy the DIL anyway since they are more into the L.A. Times, Boston Globe, you know the deal.
rtr
faithful reader
I wonder how pleased the advertisers on this web site are with what their dollars are supporting. Maybe we should ask them.
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The advertizers as you call them are the same conservatives here in the Flathead Valley that buy the paper to read Franks columns that you BASH every week, Think before posting something so stupid next time please.
For all you know the sales of both papers and supply and demand advertizers has went up do to the truth being posted about you socialists.
rtr
sensible
natres: do you know where rtr lives?
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How funny, First you socialists cry for Franks help after insulting him on a regular baisis and now you are asking for another conseratives help "Nat".
My God when will the crying ever stop.
rtr
SorrySOB, So you have more threats, By means continue to fill my folder of documented of threats.
rtr
faithful reader
Flathead Frank, I did not read your comment as asking for "protection" from anyone here. I read it as a call for the return to civility here.
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Civility to you is when you socialists control the comment section and only then.
Remember it is ok for you to insult any one at any time but not the other way around.
rtr
Ok “sensible” let me reevaluate a few things.
1. Your dad that made poor decisions when he was younger and is now 80 which would make you most likely close to my age and making poor decisions like your daddy. "daughter like father"
2. You have this horrific anger management problem that reminds me of a child.
3. I have to assume you are single since I can’t imagine any man putting up with a constant PMS problem which you obviously have.
I see some possible underlying issues to your anger management problem.
1. Possibly a Mack truck hit you when you were young.
2. Seeing as how we have determined you are the evil Queen, Wicked Witch of the east it could be those nasty warts on your nose that makes you so angry all the time.
3. It could be you never had health care and you are still able to eat corn through a picket fence and ashamed of your teeth.
4. I hear the twitching lazy eye thing can cause insanity also, You now the kind, The ones you look at and yet they seem to have one eye staring off into space.
5. There is always the possibility you fell on your head on one of those rock climbing adventures of yours.
6. Possibly you got a bigger thrill out of standing in a street corner begging for handouts than you did working for a living. “It is a socialist mind drainer just like a drug you know”
7. Maybe the trees dropped too much pitch on you when you were hugging them.
8. My thoughts on the matter are endless as you can see.
I will get back to the daddy and you being a thief in a little bit I am still not all the way awake yet. “Be patient”
Rob123
Mainer1776: I neither know the guy or like the guy. However, since you stuck your comment in the public comment section out here in my neck of the woods, I thought I would question YOUR thinking. And yes, like many independents in 2008, I voted for Obama, my first Democrat X since 1972. What the H$LL did you expect after the mess you die hard repubs created? I liked McCain, but Sarah would make a good neighbor, and that's all. The thought of her in the White House is terrifying.
SorrySOB
I do Sensible, and if the idiot doesn't stop being a spamming idiot. I will post all the information I have on him (by the way, all of the information I have is freely available on the Internet if you know where to look).
faithful reader
Flathead Frank, I did not read your comment as asking for "protection" from anyone here. I read it as a call for the return to civility here. Many readers have asked for the same thing. Frank has answered that he will stand by and do nothing in the name of his respect for free speech, even though other newspapers do not allow personal attacks. It's ironic, because I think that knowing you might be called a homosexual, a thief, a liar, a, b*m, or a cockroach if you post is a clear deterrent to free speech. Now, readers are threatening physical harm (the abuse here comes from both sides). I find it very difficult to believe the Interlake is proud to have its name on this forum. It doesn't take a law degree to see that it has become a huge liability to the Hagadone company.
I wonder how pleased the advertisers on this web site are with what their dollars are supporting. Maybe we should ask them.
rtr
I see little Robbie is back at it this morning with his same old tricks of bashing the first conserative comment that was posted here this morning, I have to asume he didn't learn a thing yesterday, "But then again that higher learning from the University of Acorn doesn't go very far"
sensible
natres: do you know where rtr lives?
his personal attacks on my father will not go unanswered. he will pay. he has gone well over the line.
to hurl personal insults at one of the most decent people (that rtr has never met) this country has produced (my father) is beyond policy discussion or simplistic name-calling. and then to hide behind franks's coattails......................
rtr is no man. he shows no manners. most every post is derogatory and it elicits the responses of which you speak. remember this natres, rtr started this. rtr elevated this. and rtr will pay for this. he has gone way too far.
as to liberals dominating? welcome to the real world. welcome to a world where change is discussed and welcome. you can stay in your little ideological cocoon and espouse more of the right wing failed policies.............not a problem........... but refrain from the incessant name-calling (socialist/communist/nazi) and most certainly don't engage in disparaging insults. i challenge rtr to say what he's said here to me..............face-to-face. he can call me anything and i will smile, but if he implies i'm a thief or that my father is...............he will pay. he will pay
rtr
SorrySOB, I see you sure HATE it when I play the same games you play all the time.
Funny how that works.
Mainer1776
Rob. Did you ask the same question of the grumpy old Dr. Dean? Just curious. Just curious if he gets a pass and I don't.
rtr
Mainer1776
It was that statement by Dean that made me realize that there is a battle for freedom and liberty in our country.
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Sure is funny isn't it how these socialists can say anything they feel like but not a conserative "God forbid when it comes to that".
You would have to either think they had halos over their heads or the Messiah B.O. was watching over them or like children they could ever turn to Frank when it got to hot in the kitchen after insulting him for months on end.
rtr
Ok everyone, "I'M Back".
Good morning Frank "Editor" and the rest of the Flathead Valley residence,"That don't mean you out of state socialist platform builders either" "To you out of state socialists I wish a snake crawl up your pant leg and bite you".
I see the children were busy crying to you Frank after I went to bed last night, You are correct that it is Amusing after all the insults they have thrown your way that now they want your help. "It reminds me of school children".
Look at that Han12 back peddle now, Don't blame you I would to if I was that dumb to say such a thing. "None the less if fit my case file quite well"
Oh now sensible, Let me wake up a bit here while I have my morning tea and I will have something good for you and educate you some more about your father and your lies. "Be pateint and in the mean time don't beat your head against the wall to hard" "By the way does anyone have a straight jacket for our little pet sensible so she doesn't hurt herself".
Just to let you know I recieved an addition days worth of CURRENT information to post today for you socialists since I am sure you read it in depth, word for word and enjoyed it so much yesterday.
Let the party begin.
naturalresources
For several years now I've read and participated in Frank's columns. For the most part, I've noticed that liberals have done everything possible to dominate this site, especially when an opposing view surfaces. The street gang mentality of the left is truly amazing; The name calling, derrogatory rhetoric and backyard slang has demonstrated to all who read or engage here the true colors of the left leaners. I f you can't control the rhetoric, you simply ramp it up or cry foul. Truly, your hypocrisy is shining through. rtr has shown you hypocrytes that your ideas and philosophies are not the only ones out there...and you can't handle it so the next phase is to pigpile and bury the commentor. So sorry that your hatred for our ancestry and history of goodwill that this once Great Counrty has to offer has turned your lives in the negative direction it has. Go back and read some history books that have'nt been tainted by Marxism or Communist ideolgy. Till then, acknowledge that you have met your match with rtr.......and maybe you could try to post something that doesn't reflect you're fear of "the vast right wing conspiracy"
Rob123
Mainer1776; How do you reconcile your Hate of Democrats with The Sermon on the Mount? Or do you have the luxury of being a grouchy old man bored to tears with the added blessing of predestination and the knowledge of what direction your going when the end comes? Nothing personal, just fascinated by how people think. Especially 'good' Christians filled with Hate.
Mainer1776
"I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for." - Democratic National Chairman Howard Dean, M.D., former Governor of Vermont, former Presidential candidate.
Mainer1776
It was Howard Dean, M.D., former governor of Vermont, who as Chairman of the Democratic National Committee said: " I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for." He said that before I ever took the stance of hating the Democratic Party. It was that statement by Dean that made me realize that there is a battle for freedom and liberty in our country.
Hans12
rtr....you said "What no threats of physical violence like last week with kicking people with razor blades in your boots?"
While last week, I said, on my Blackberry from Austria while riding the Tram for some skiing....
"We have a fine tradition of Goose Stepping here, rtr, and will be glad to give you some lessons when the snow flies and the skiing starts at the Big Mountain. Until then, make sure the guy behind you doesn't have razorblades stuck in the point of his boot, as you learn the joy of marching to the beat of one."
I must have touched a sensitive nerve? It was a warning, in the same tradition of Franks "....watch your back"......just a few inchs lower.
sensible
to verbally attack an 80 year man that you've never met, a man who served his country during war, a man who worked hard for 35 years for the same company until retirement, a man who raised 6 children with his wife of 55 years, a man who (until recently) voted republican more often than not......................
a man who can barely walk or talk because of a debilitating disease.............
and you call him names and impune his character............
i will meet you face to face anywhere you choose rtr...........anywhere. and i challenge you to say to my face what you've stated here. i challenge you, you little chicken$hit punk..........be a man. come out from behind the curtain you spineless ba$tard.
you're nothing but a ball-less scared little fuc#ing piece of $hit...............
anywhere rtr..........anywhere.
DavidS
Perhaps the real reason our little country editor doesn't want to bar rtr from posting here is because rtr is one of his very few supporters. It's not the commentators who set the tone of this blog bog, it's the editor who writes the articles that we sometimes chose to comment upon.
Editor
I find it somewhat amusing that Flathead Frank the Country Reader, who never misses an opportunity to say something rude about me, would now come knocking on my door for protection from the Big Bad Wolf known as rtr (who has been maligned by liberal posters as ReTaRd and worse). Fact is, I don't have time to be policing the food fights engaged in by readers of this web site. If you have time to throw food or catch it, then it's your decision. I don't have time for it. I am not the lunchroom monitor. I would certainly prefer that everyone started acting civil, including Flathead Frank, but I don't think it will happen in my lifetime. If anyone wants to start to change the tenor of the blog, I suggest everyone monitor their own behavior and words and direct them to arguing about ideas and not about crafting insults.
SorrySOB
Agreed Flathead Frank. And one last response to the village idiot rtr, I can post anything I want as long it is freely available on the Internet and that includes anything I find about you. You seem to do pretty well at spamming the site with garbage. According to the editor, it is First Amendment freedom of speech right? I stop when you do and there isn't squat you can do about it.
Flathead Frank
Memo to Frank the Country Editor and Daily Interlake management: You need to make a decision about the poster known as rtr. She dominates the forum with inane posting after inane posting. Is that okay with you folks? My guess if that if a pro-Obama, pro-American poster was posting this frequently you would talk action. Because rtr is a far right extremists it's okay to allow her to destroy this forum? Think this through Frank the Country Editor. Meanwhile, I urge all other regular posters to boycott this site until Daily Interlake management takes a responsible position regarding rtr.
rtr
MontanaJim72
It was you liberal socialists that were ok with shouting down any one that had an opposing opinion wether it be by flooding the comment section or through intimidation, ganging up or coersing any one that opposed you.
Bottom line is DON"T even think about telling me what to do after that.
MontanaJim72
Please Rush's Twin Reject...oops..I mean rtr...Don't even think I am going to read 46 or 54 or 72 more lines of something you have copied and pasted. If you don't have an original thought of your own, then don't post. I read these opinions to find out what local people think, not what some radical you found on the Internet had to say. I'm not saying don't post, just please post your opinion. That is the point of this forum. I think I went by at least 30 of your posts because they only reflected an opinion of somebody you found on the Internet. Maybe you have time to read long oratories, but I don't. That doesn't make me misinformed. It does make me try to use the time I have to find information very important to me. I seriously doubt you care, but please try to keep it brief. I know it's hard, but you might actually have people reading your posts instead of sliding by them.
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50 Examples of Government Waste
Posted On October - 28 - 2009
“Soaring government spending and trillion-dollar budget deficits have brought fiscal responsibility–and reducing government waste–back onto the national agenda.
President Obama recently identified 0.004 of 1 percent of the federal budget as wasteful and proposed eliminating this $140 million from his $3.6 trillion fiscal year 2010 budget request. Aiming higher, the President recently proposed partially offsetting a costly new government health entitlement by reducing $622 billion in Medicare and Medicaid “waste and inefficiencies” over the next decade. Taxpayers may wonder why reducing such waste is now merely a bargaining chip for new spending rather than an end in itself.
It is possible to reduce spending and balance the budget. In the 1980s and 1990s, Washington consistently spent $21,000 per household (adjusted for inflation). Simply returning to that level would balance the budget by 2012 without any tax hikes. Alternatively, merely returning to the 2008 (pre-recession) spending level of $25,000 per household (adjusted for inflation) would likely balance the budget by 2019 without any tax hikes.
Not Easy, but Necessary
Reducing wasteful spending is not easy. Even the most useless programs are passionately supported by the armies of recipients, administrators, and lobbyists that benefit from their existence. Identifying inefficiencies and abuses is much easier than devising a system to fix them. Many lawmakers focus more on bringing home earmarks than on performing the less exciting task of government oversight. Exasperated taxpayers see the cost of government rise with no end in sight.
Of course, eliminating waste cannot balance the budget. Lawmakers must also rein in spending by reforming Social Security and Medicare and by eliminating government activities that are no longer affordable. Yet government waste is the low-hanging fruit that lawmakers must clean up in order to build credibility with the public for larger reforms.
Congress has allowed government employees to spend tax dollars on iPods, jewelry, gambling, exotic dance clubs, and $13,500 steak dinners. If lawmakers cannot even reduce this kind of waste, fraud, and abuse, taxpayers will be less likely to trust them to reform Social Security and Medicare.
Six Categories of Waste
The six categories of wasteful and unnecessary spending are:
1. Programs that should be devolved to state and local governments;
2. Programs that could be better performed by the private sector;
3. Mistargeted programs whose recipients should not be entitled to government benefits;
4. Outdated and unnecessary programs;
5. Duplicative programs; and
6. Inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud.
The first four categories are generally subjective, and reasonable people can disagree on whether a given federal program falls under their purview. Yet the final two categories–duplication and inefficiency, mismanagement, and fraud–are comparatively easy to identify and oppose. Thus, they are heavily represented in the examples of government waste below:
The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them–costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually–fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
The Congressional Budget Office published a “Budget Options” series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.[6]
Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth’s Chris Steakhouse, including “over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold.” The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.[13]
A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year’s 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines–plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, “Girls Gone Wild” videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY)–but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department’s budget.[26]
Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches–even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in “stimulus” funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards–subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want.[36]
Congress appropriated $20 million for “commemoration of success” celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in “stimulus” funds for a project that its mayor described as “a long way from the top priority.”[40]
The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers–the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans’ personal data.[50]
Pick the Low-Hanging Fruit
Because many of these examples of waste overlap, it is not possible to determine their exact total cost. Yet it is evident that Washington loses hundreds of billions of dollars annually on spending that most Americans would certainly consider wasteful. Lawmakers seeking to rein in spending and budget deficits should begin by eliminating this least justifiable spending while also addressing long-term entitlement costs.
Brian M. Riedl is Grover M. Hermann Fellow in Federal Budgetary Affairs in the Thomas A. Roe Institute for Economic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation”.
Source: heritage.org
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WakeUpAmerica.com Asks NC Tax Reform Panel To Study “Fair Tax.”
Posted On November - 2 - 2009
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 11/2/09
“With 9.8% unemployment, The time has finally come for NC to have a pro-economic growth tax system”
“(Raleigh, NC) – On November 3rd a joint NC House and NC Senate Finance Committee meeting will discuss reforming the NC tax code. Thank goodness.
With state unemployment rates languishing near 10% for months, Federal stimulus leading to no private sector job growth, and Governor Perdue with only a 24% approval rating, the time has come to bury North Carolina’s outdated tax code with a new structure based on incentive-based growth, according to the NC-based conservative group WakeUpAmerica.com.
“A state legislative commission will meet in November to study a new approach to the state’s tax system and in that there is hope that this won’t be a grab at more tax money – but instead a discussion of a way to simplify a complex tax code and structure taxes in a way that incentivizes economic activity instead of discouraging it,” said WakeUpAmerica.com co-director Bryan Holloway – who is also a State Representative from King, NC.
“Why can’t North Carolina lead the nation in demonstrating a simpler, fairer way of taxation while at the same time unleashing the kind of dynamic economic growth in our state that will create the jobs we desperately need,” Holloway continued.
WakeUpAmerica.com supports the general principles surrounding the “Fair Tax” and would ask state leaders and economists to study a revolutionary “Fair Tax Plan for North Carolina.”
“Why can’t North Carolina be the first to unleash what is great about America and put billions of dollars into our economy and create the jobs our failed tax system has failed to?” asked Holloway.
National Fair Tax proposals favor a sales tax on new items which everyone, including illegals, or who currently circumvent taxes would have to pay. No special breaks for one group over another or for companies who can pay for expensive lobbyists, because everyone would be treated the same.
According to FairTax.org, leaders such as “Nobel Prize winning economist Dr. Vernon L. Smith have called upon Congress to pass the Fair Tax. Alan Greenspan says it “could certainly meet the fundamental criteria of being simple, fair, and pro-growth.”
Retired Federal Reserve Bank Board of Governors Member Wayne Angell says, “the economic benefits of the Fair Tax Plan are compelling. The Fair Tax Plan eliminates the tax bias against work, saving, and investment, which would lead to higher rates of economic growth, faster growth in productivity, more jobs, lower interest rates, and a higher standard of living for the American people.”
“It would be an injustice for the commission studying tax reform in North Carolina not to give full consideration to taking the bold, job-creating measures we need to kick our economy into high gear,” Holloway concluded.”
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SorrySOB
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I wouldn't “yawn” too much since you are on the documentation list for advocating violence by giving out personal addresses, If you look it up it is the intent and not the accuracy of if.
SorrySOB
Yawn.
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Bronco
Glad we're paperless.
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What makes you think we are paperless, I have been printing every post and I don't care if it takes an entire tree to document all the threats I have recieved.
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My the way sensible your dad will end up worse under Obama tax and steal care since it will lower the medicare standards and there will be NO ADVATAGE Medicare which you probably don't even know what that is,.
LOOK IT UP and if you say Bush failed your dad that is a lie, Your dad failed or he could have been on the Medicare Advantage plan which Obama wants to do away with and his death care plan would never cover your dad.
Again can you see my crocodile tears for a TAX and STEAL thief like you.
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senisible, Regan is not the president, Get over it, I never had much time for Reagan either so what is your problem.
OH YEAH you think it is ok to STEAL from all the working class now because your dad got a bad rap.
Guess your dad also made some realy dumb decisions that he has never admitted to you about if you claim it was the free market that took his pension.
Life is tough when you don’t make wise decisions can you see my crocodile tears.
Let see here, OBAMA wants to sc*w every old person that has paid into Medicare and STEAL from that fund which will lower the quaility of health care for the majority of them to pay for your lazy a$$ and to pay for the bad decisions your dad obviosly made.
I can tell you for sure if we were face to face I would NEVER apologize to a thief like you since I have nothing to apologize for.
You are a Socialist thief just like I stated.
sensible
you have gone too far rtr............too far. my father had his pension stolen, twice, during 1980's leveraged buyouts condoned by ronald reagan and his band of wealthy thieves. that pension was a promise and a contract. it cost him years of potential retirement to make up for stolen promises. he could use that extra hard earned money to help pay for his health care (that his insurance doesn't cover - for whatever reason). he suffers from parkinson's, but many treatments are "experimental" and the drugs are spendy (bush's prescription drug bill failed him)...........................but his pension was stolen, and not by the government, but the "free market" republican thieves who allowed these autracites to occur..........someone will pay.
so i make post about it............and you call me a thief.
i will find you.........and you will apologize........or pay.
Bronco
Welcome toThe Daily RTR. Up-to-the-minute, er...each-and-every-minute posts. Glad we're paperless or we would be soon. Let's have a contest, see who can come up up the best avatar for him. Three entries each. I'll begin: a squirrel on crystal meth.
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Han12
"Sure makes since to me....." I bet it does.
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What no threats of physical violence like last week with kicking people with razor blades in your boots?
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Morning Bell: The Pelosi Blueprint for Government Run Health Care
Posted On October - 31 - 2009
The new House health care bill (H.R. 3962) unveiled by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) yesterday clocks in at 1,990 pages and about 400,000 words. As written, the bill purports to cost only $1.05 trillion over the first ten years and is paid for by over $700 billion in tax increases and cuts to Medicare Advantage and Medicare prescription drug payments. But as troubling as those numbers are, the scariest thing about the bill is the solid foundation it lays for a complete government take over of the health care sector of our economy.
The Washington Post describes the bill as “creating an expensive new entitlement program (subsidies to purchase health insurance) and dramatically expanding an existing one (Medicaid).” This is true by itself, but the Post later dismissively adds: “If you’ve noticed that we haven’t talked about the public option in the House bill, that’s not an oversight. For all the fury over the issue, it doesn’t matter that much; the CBO estimates that the government-run plan would actually have slightly higher premiums.” This is a breathtakingly naive statement by the Post and demonstrates that they have not yet fully grasped how all the different elements of the bill are designed to interact to produce President Barack Obama’s desired outcome.
The Medicaid Expansion: Under current law the CBO projects that only 35 million Americans would be on Medicaid by 2019. The House bill massively expands the Medicaid program by raising the upper income cutoff to 150 percent of the federal poverty line (FPL). As a result, the CBO now estimates some 50 million Americans will be enrolled in the program at a ten year cost to the federal government of $425 billion. This does not include the $34 billion in increased Medicaid costs that state governments will have to spend.
The Insurance Subsidies: The House bill also creates a Health Insurance Exchange through which individuals without employer based coverage could purchase insurance. The bill also provides “affordability credits” to people who are below 400% FPL. However, the bill also denies access to the credit for all people who are “eligible” for Medicaid. In essence, therefore, the House bill forces all Americans below 150% FPL to enroll in Medicaid or pay the individual mandate fine. The CBO explains why the Democrats chose this route: “The estimated costs of providing subsidies through the new insurance exchanges are now lower for several reasons: the larger expansion of Medicaid means that fewer people would be eligible for coverage through the exchanges.” In other words, it’s cheaper to force people into Medicaid then to give them subsidies high enough to buy private insurance. Furthermore, individuals are only allowed to enroll in the cheapest (”basic”) plans for the first two years. After that, they can only choose more expensive plans or the government run plan.
The Employer Mandate: The bill imposes a new 8% payroll tax on employers who don’t cover specified percentages of their employees’ health insurance. In the short term this will only result in job losses and lower wages. But further down the road, the health plans would have to meet new requirements to be specified later by Obama’s new Health Czar (“Health Choices Commissioner”). If your employer’s health plan doesn’t meet those requirements (which are all but guaranteed to drive up the cost of your health plan), you couldn’t keep it.
The Public Option: As health insurance premiums keep rising thanks to all the new requirements in the current bill and the Health Czar’s future regulations, more and more people will have no choice but to depend on the government plan or face a fine. At first, only individuals and employers with 25 employees or fewer would be eligible for the government run plan. But in year two (2014) individuals and employers with 50 employees or fewer become eligible, in year three (2015) employers with at least 100 employees become eligible but starting that year, the Health Czar permitted from this year forward to expand employer participation as appropriate, “with the goal of allowing all employers access to the Exchange.” In effect, the bill makes larger sized employers explicitly eligible and still turns over authority to the Health Czar to further open it up. The goal has been, and still clearly is, to open the exchange and the public plan to everyone. As the Post notes, the CBO now projects that the government run premiums will actually be higher than private plans. The Democrats will not allow this to continue. History shows that entitlement programs like this quickly devolve into price control central planning. A less “robust” public option today will almost certainly be a more robust public option tomorrow. Look no further than the history of Medicare. Medicare was initially designed to pay private rates, but now the program has a complex formula for administered pricing.
So that’s the plan: force all Americans to buy health insurance, regulate the private plans till they are too expensive, and then slowly expand the power and size of the public option as Americans are left with no choice but to turn to government run health care. That is how Pelosi aims to achieve Obama’s goal of “Everybody in, Nobody out” government run health care. The costs are going to be staggering. Not only will health care quality and choice suffer as more and more Americans are forced onto a government plan that reimburses providers at low government set rates, but the price tag is guaranteed to skyrocket. The only way the House managed to keep their price tag as low as $1.05 trillion is by pretending that Congress would cut Medicare reimbursement rates by 20% in 2010. The full ten-year cost of being honest about the Medicare reimbursement rates would be $250 billion. Less choice, lower quality health care, and trillion dollar deficits for years to come: that is the House’s prescription for health reform.
Quick Hits:
•An alleged member of the Hamburg, Germany terror cell linked to the Sept. 11 attacks is believed to be among al Qaeda leaders helping the Taliban in Pakistan.
•According to leaked House Ethics Committee documents, more than 30 lawmakers, including nearly half of the Defense Appropriations subcommittee, are being scrutinized about issues including defense lobbying and corporate influence peddling.
•In a rejection of President Obama’s engagement strategy, Iran told the United Nations nuclear watchdog on Thursday that it would not accept a plan to send its stockpile of uranium out of the country.
•Thanks to the fraud riddled homebuyers tax credit, and the $24,000 per car cost to taxpayers Cash for Clunkers program, the nation’s Gross Domestic Product grew 3.5% this summer.
•How Democrats can say the bill costs less than $1 trillion".
Source: The Heritage Foundation
Hans12
"Sure makes since to me....." I bet it does.
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The Obama New Socialist Democratic Party = Socialism which in turn = Facism which is like the bloods and cripes fighting a gang war but = Communism.
Sure makes since to me with everything these Socialist / Marxists posting here want for America or should I say the dismantaling of America and what are founding fathers of this country wanted for America..
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Fascism and Communism/Socialism
"For many decades, the leftists have been propagating the false dichotomy that the choice confronting the world is only: communism or fascism—a dictatorship of the left or of an alleged right—with the possibility of a free society, of capitalism, dismissed and obliterated, as if it had never existed.
[Some “moderates” are trying to] revive that old saw of pre-World War II vintage, the notion that the two political opposites confronting us, the two “extremes,” are: fascism versus communism.
The political origin of that notion is more shameful than the “moderates” would care publicly to admit. Mussolini came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Italy. Hitler came to power by claiming that that was the only choice confronting Germany. It is a matter of record that in the German election of 1933, the Communist Party was ordered by its leaders to vote for the Nazis—with the explanation that they could later fight the Nazis for power, but first they had to help destroy their common enemy: capitalism and its parliamentary form of government.
It is obvious what the fraudulent issue of fascism versus communism accomplishes: it sets up, as opposites, two variants of the same political system; it eliminates the possibility of considering capitalism; it switches the choice of “Freedom or dictatorship?” into “Which kind of dictatorship?”—thus establishing dictatorship as an inevitable fact and offering only a choice of rulers. The choice—according to the proponents of that fraud—is: a dictatorship of the rich (fascism) or a dictatorship of the poor (communism).
That fraud collapsed in the 1940’s, in the aftermath of World War II. It is too obvious, too easily demonstrable that fascism and communism are not two opposites, but two rival gangs fighting over the same territory—that both are variants of statism, based on the collectivist principle that man is the rightless slave of the state—that both are socialistic, in theory, in practice, and in the explicit statements of their leaders—that under both systems, the poor are enslaved and the rich are expropriated in favor of a ruling clique—that fascism is not the product of the political “right,” but of the “left”—that the basic issue is not “rich versus poor,” but man versus the state, or: individual rights versus totalitarian government—which means: capitalism versus socialism".
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Bill Would Ban Illegal Immigrants From 2010 Census
Posted On October - 14 - 2009
“(Washington, DC) — The U.S. Senate could vote today on a provision to ban illegal immigrants from the 2010 Census.
The measure is an amendment which “USA Today” reports would mandate census takers to ask whether people are in the country legally during their information gathering.
It would be the first time census workers would be required to do so.
The amendment was offered up last week by Senators Bob Bennett of Utah and David Vitter of Louisiana.
The pair say they want illegal immigrants excluded from the Census as it population numbers gathered are used to allocate seats in Congress.
The Census Bureau has historically asked in surveys whether people were born in the U.S. or in another country, but it has never asked about people’s legal status”.
by VERTEXNews/Newsroom Solutions
This sure stinks of Obama and ACORN now doesn’t it.
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OH did I tell you TAX and STEAL Socialist / Marxists that I have MONTHS worth of information to post, If not I am letting you know now.
How is that Socialist / Marxists platform building working out for you today.
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HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT BRINGS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TO THE FOREFRONT HERE
Posted On October - 14 - 2009
September’s unemployment figures were not only disappointing — they were grim. For the 21st straight month, Americans lost jobs. Fifteen million are out of work — 5 million for more than six months.
But as The Washington Times asserts, “America’s jobless crisis is much worse than the 9.8 percent unemployment rate.”
The U.S. economy actually lost 785,000 jobs in September, which should have pushed the 9.7 percent August unemployment figure far higher than just 0.1 percent to 9.8 percent. What kept the increase to 0.1 percent?
Over 800,000 people quit the labor force in September. They packed it in. They stopped looking for work. That is six times the number who quit looking in August and five times the monthly average of those who have given up the search for work in the year since Lehman Brothers died.
Adding to the near 15 million unemployed those who have given up looking for work and those who have taken low-paying part-time jobs, the Times estimates the true employment rate at 17 percent. We used to call that a depression.
Yet with nearly 25 million Americans unemployed, or no longer looking for work, or in low-wage part-time jobs, 8.5 million U.S. jobs are believed to be held by illegal aliens who broke into the country or overstayed their visas.
Why is this not a matter of national outrage?
For every job opening in the country, there are six unemployed Americans. With this surplus of idle labor and shortage of jobs, the men who do the hiring are in the catbird’s seat. They can cut wages in the knowledge that desperate Americans will have to accept what is offered.
Comes the rote response: Immigrants and illegal aliens only take jobs Americans do not want and will not do. But last month a front-page article in USA Today demolished that argument.
When a 2006 raid on six Swift & Co. meatpacking plants rounded up 1,200 illegal aliens, 10 percent of the workforce, Swift was up and running at full staff within months. How? Native-born Americans in the hundreds came out and took the jobs.
Says Vanderbilt University Professor Carol Swain, “Whenever there’s an immigration raid, you find white, black and legal immigrant labor lining up to do these jobs Americans will supposedly not do.”
At one of the Swift plants out West, a workforce that had been 90 percent Hispanic, legal and illegal, before the raids is now a mixture of white Americans and Hispanic-Americans. Illegal aliens lost the jobs, and American citizens got them.
A House of Raeford Farms plant in North Carolina that was more than 80 percent Hispanic before a federal investigation now has a workforce 70 percent African-American.
Illegal aliens gravitate to jobs in construction, farming, fishing and forestry. Yet native-born Americans outnumber immigrants three to one in construction and two to one in farming, fishing and forestry, according to Steve Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies. Illegals are thus taking jobs Americans not only will do, but Americans are doing.
The crackdown on businesses that hire illegals that has only just begun is not only enforcing federal law, but ending the exploitation of illegal aliens and opening up jobs for Americans — black, white, Asian and Hispanic alike.
Since the 1960s, there has been a bitter battle — breaking down along ideological and racial, ethnic and gender lines — over affirmative action, quotas, preferential hiring, promotions and admissions to college and graduate schools, and contract set-asides.
Conservatives have insisted that if discrimination is wrong, it is not made right by making white males the victims and women and minorities the beneficiaries. Liberals argue that to advance economic equality and ethnic diversity, and compensate for past injustices, temporary discrimination against white males is an unfortunate necessity.
White firemen like Frank Ricci must be denied promotions they have won in fair competition, as African-Americans were not among those who passed the tests.
As votes on referendum in California, Washington and Michigan have shown, the American people reject affirmative action and preferences in hiring, promotions and admissions that are based on race, ethnicity or gender.
Americans believe no discrimination should mean no discrimination.
But there is a form of discrimination, a form of preferential treatment, which left and right, it would seem, may both support. It is based not on color or creed, but on nationality and citizenship.
If jobs are available in the United States, Americans should go to the front of the line to get them, ahead of illegal aliens. And as there are six Americans out of work for every job opening, it is time to call a moratorium on immigration. Why are we bringing into the United States over a million legal immigrants a year to compete for jobs against 15 million to 25 million Americans who can’t find work or full-time jobs to take care of their families?
Who is America for — if not for Americans first”?
By Patrick J. Buchanan
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Survey shows strong support for immigration raids
Posted On October - 21 - 2009
"Just under two-thirds of Americans want see more raids on businesses who hire illegal immigrants and to see those illegal workers arrested.
A national survey conducted earlier this month by Rasmussen Reports found that 64 percent support police conducting surprise raids on businesses suspected of hiring illegal immigrants, along with the subsequent arrests of undocumented workers. Nineteen percent oppose the raids.
Another 71 percent in the Rasmussen survey want to see the bosses who hire illegal immigrants arrested, with only 15 percent opposed.
The survey results come in the midst of the nasty political fight between the Obama administration and Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio over the MCSO’s immigration sweeps.
The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency has restricted an agreement with Arpaio that previously allowed the hard-nosed sheriff to enforce federal immigration laws out on the streets. The new pact only allows the MCSO to make immigration charges on those being booked into county jails on other charges.
Still, Arpaio conducted immigration sweeps in Surprise and Peoria last weekend, arresting suspected illegal immigrants under state laws.
The Rasmussen survey found 46 percent want local police to be able to question those on their immigration status; 33 percent oppose the idea.
While the poll shows support for tougher immigration enforcement there are also concerns about those efforts trampling individual rights.
Sixty-one percent are concerned immigration sweeps and raids might violate legal citizens’ civil rights while 38 percent aren’t concerned, according the 1,000-person survey.
The support for more raids and arrests of undocumented workers and business owners and executives who hire them comes as the Obama administration prepares a push for immigration reforms that are likely to include some kind of legal citizenship path or amnesty for illegal immigrants already in the U.S".
Source: Phoenix Business Journal
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Hans12
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No wonder you have no frends when you threaten to kick people with razor blades in your boot like you did last week.
rtr
Obama can’t downsize to success in Afghanistan
Posted On September - 28 - 2009
“The president appears to be dragging his feet on more troops for the struggle, but that’s what an effective counterinsurgency strategy requires. During last year’s campaign, Barack Obama stressed that while he wanted to withdraw from Iraq, he was no pacifist. “As president,” he said on July 15, 2008, “I will make the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This is a war that we have to win.”
He began to make good on his word on March 27 when he announced a “comprehensive new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan” that included 21,000 additional troops. The goal, he said, was to “reverse the Taliban’s gains” and “prevent Afghanistan from becoming the Al Qaeda safe haven that it was before 9/11.”
On Aug. 30, the president’s handpicked commander in Afghanistan delivered a plan to do just that. Implementing his counterinsurgency strategy, Gen. Stanley McChrystal wrote, “requires more forces.” If extra troops are not sent, and soon, the “likely result” would be “failure.”
One would expect, based on his past statements, that Obama would rush to give McChrystal the forces needed to win what the president described in August as a “war of necessity.” Yet that’s not the case. The White House has been sitting on the general’s report for a month, refusing to allow him to submit his resource request or testify to Congress and leaking to the news media that the president may decide to downsize the entire war effort.
Why this sudden hesitation after so many months of resolute rhetoric? Surely the president cannot be getting cold feet simply because of rising American casualties. Losses are tragic but expected in a tough fight.
Maybe he’s panicking over falling public support for the war, especially among his liberal base. Yet this war remains far more popular than the one in Iraq was in 2006 when President George W. Bush approved the “surge.” If Obama asks for more troops, Congress is unlikely to oppose him.
Perhaps the fraud-marred presidential election has caused Obama to doubt whether it’s possible to build a legitimate government in Kabul. That’s a real concern, but it is being addressed by the Afghan electoral authorities, who are reexamining ballots cast in hundreds of precincts where fraud was alleged. Even if President Hamid Karzai ultimately prevails, that’s hardly the end of the world. He remains popular with many Afghans, especially the Pashtuns, who make up the base of the insurgency. He has at least as much credibility as Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki did in 2007 at the start of the surge, and he can increase his support still further if he does a better job of delivering basic services and fighting corruption — something coalition forces can push for if they receive more resources.
Admittedly, improving governance will be a tough task. The same may be said of the other “lines of operation” that McChrystal’s strategy envisions, from growing the Afghan security forces to improving population security, strategic communications and detainee operations. But what’s the alternative?
Vice President Joe Biden favors a smaller-scale strategy that would employ high-tech weapons and special forces to kill terrorists from afar. But such a strategy has rarely, if ever, succeeded. It has been employed by Israel against Hamas and Hezbollah. The result: Hamas controls Gaza, and Hezbollah controls southern Lebanon. It has been employed by the U.S. in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The result: The Taliban controls western Pakistan and large swaths of eastern and southern Afghanistan.
There is no reason to expect, given its long record of failure, that this strategy will work, and no one knows that better than McChrystal, who was in charge of special operations forces hunting terrorists in Iraq for years. Such operations are useful but not decisive, because terrorist leaders can always be replaced. Only by placing security forces among the population can a government prevent terrorists from creating havens.
In Afghanistan today, that must be a job primarily for NATO because the Afghan security forces are simply too small. Afghanistan is bigger in area and population than Iraq, yet its army and police are less than one-third the size of Iraq’s (170,000 versus 600,000). Sending more U.S. troops today can push the insurgents back and create breathing room for the expansion of the Afghan forces.
Conversely, if we start downsizing, our NATO allies are sure to beat us to the exits. The result will be the further unraveling of security in Afghanistan. In such an environment, it is hard to know how we could generate the intelligence needed to successfully target terrorists or the stability needed to train Afghan forces. The presence of American trainers or special forces requires a substantial support base to keep supply lines open, safeguard bases and rescue Americans who are in danger of being overrun.
Gains for the Taliban would be not only a human rights disaster but a strategic disaster, because of the close links between the Taliban and Al Qaeda. As a little-noticed passage in McChrystal’s leaked report notes: “Al Qaeda’s links with HQN [the Haqqani network, one of the leading insurgent groups] have grown, suggesting that expanding HQN control could create a favorable environment for AQAM [Al Qaeda and associated movements] to reestablish safe havens in Afghanistan.”
We do not have to create “Jeffersonian democracy” in Afghanistan. But we do have to keep it from becoming a terrorist haven. The only way to achieve that minimal objective is with a comprehensive counterinsurgency strategy. If Obama blinks now, he will be doing grave damage not only to U.S. security but to his own credibility.
Max Boot is the Jeane J. Kirkpatrick Senior Fellow for National Security Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations and the author, most recently, of “War Made New: Technology, Warfare and the Course of History, 1500 to Today.”
The Los Angeles Times:
sensible
so rtr, i point the obvious, and you call ME stupid...................if you don't know that 2009 taxes are based on 2008 earnings.......................................???????
who's stupid?
again, where do you live? i've never seen pure evil or smelled a person from hel!........
Hans12
Dear rtr:
I am at a strange point in my life and not sure what to do about it. I am a gay, 17-year-old, sixth-form college student and I get easily overwhelmed by my work. This is further complicated by my personal life. First of all, I’ve met a great guy. This is my first attempt at a relationship, and he is the only person I have ever met who treats me with kindness and respect. But we have seen each other only once and he lives on the other side of the country. We keep in constant contact and I have developed really intense feelings for him.
'I had to resign from my job as I'd begun to feel bullied and sidelined. How can I move on?'
"You are never on the scrap heap when it comes to finding love"Even though I have told my mother I am gay, I wouldn’t tell her about this guy as I think she would dislike him, mainly because he is six years older than I am. On top of that, I am too scared to talk to my father, who doesn’t know about my sexuality. My parents live apart, and I haven’t seen my father for more than three years because I’m afraid of what he might say.
I can’t talk about this with friends, as I hardly have any. Most of the friends I had now go to different colleges and I find it extremely hard to make new ones. I have never approached anyone to make friends before – people have usually come up to me first. I was bullied in my last school and became isolated. I spend most of my free time at home on the computer, playing video games and trying to forget my problems. I was so desperate to hang out with one person – whom I thought was my best friend – that I ended up paying for the drinks and cigarettes – and I don’t even smoke. He even asked me for money so he could use a prostitute. My mother says he is an oddball and I should ignore him.
I struggle to concentrate in college because of these issues, and I go through the day paying little attention to anything. I have no idea what to do after college. I cannot organise my thoughts, and I just can’t cope. I need advice on how to proceed, and how to conquer my emotions and lead a normal life.
Frank.
Dear Frank
I am very sorry that you feel so confused and lonely but not at all surprised. It is perfectly normal to find the transition between one school and another very difficult, particularly if you have left friends behind. In your case, there is a history of bullying that will have affected your self-confidence and your ability to reach out. You don’t have a father at home to whom you can talk about your difficulties. You feel that your sexuality sets you apart, and you’d like a one-to-one relationship but haven’t found one yet. So things are difficult, but I really want you to believe that they are not impossible. There are plenty of things you can do to take more control of your life.
Let’s forget about the future for the moment and concentrate on how your life is now. Because of your loneliness and deep need for friendship, and also because of your struggle to establish a sexual identity, you seem to be vulnerable to intense and needy relationships. You are fixated on one man even though you have met him only once and he lives far away, so your friendship is based on fantasy, not knowledge. And you have allowed yourself to be used by another boy who is not, by any definition I know, your friend. Your mother is right here. There is no happiness or future for you in staying friends with this boy. Don’t allow yourself to be manipulated by him. Shut the door on him and concentrate on the rewarding task of finding and cultivating a mixed group of friends.
You say that you have never been someone who approaches people, that they have always come to you. This is not how friends are made. You have to learn to take small steps towards other people, to establish yourself as a friendly person. While you are spending time on your own at the computer – and you need to try to cut this time down – check out two websites. One is called www.teenissues.co.uk; the other is www.kidscape.org.uk. They both have a lot of helpful information and suggestions about making friends. Kidscape is also particularly good on the issue of bullying and how to deal with and recover from it.
I think that you are so absorbed in how you feel, and so confused and apprehensive about who you are that you are allowing yourself to find the business of fitting in and finding friends difficult and overwhelming. It isn’t, not once you get the hang of it. My tip to you is to break everything down into very small chunks. Set small personal targets. Instead of thinking, “I have no friends and I don’t fit in”, tell yourself that you are going to set some SMART goals.
Smart stands for Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Realistic and Time-Based. You could say, “I am going to smile at five different people by lunch break tomorrow”; or, “I’m going to say hello to three people in my history class”; or, “I’m setting myself the goal of having lunch with a different person each day”; or, “I’m going to ask that bright kid in the maths class to explain our homework to me.” If you fail, don’t give up and don’t take it personally. Simply keep trying and pat yourself on the back when you succeed. And then up your goals.
I know it doesn’t feel like it now but, in some ways, you are in an ideal friend-making situation. You are surrounded by people of your own age, many with similar interests. Do you think you are the only boy in your college who spends his evenings alone in front of his computer? I doubt it. Have you tried sharing great websites? Asking people if they’ve seen that funny clip on YouTube? Are you on Facebook?
One secret of making friends is to start looking for kindred spirits. Friendly people don’t wait for people to come to them. They strike up conversations; they spot the book you’re reading and ask if it’s any good; they say, “Mind if I sit here?” in the canteen and don’t wait for an answer. They decide what they’d like to do – go to a movie, join a sports club, play chess – and check if anybody else feels like doing it, too.
Of course you want a one-to-one relationship but you need to train yourself to get on comfortably with a range of other people first, both girls and boys. I imagine that your sixth-form college has a personal tutor system and some kind of pastoral care. But I’m not suggesting you use this as a first option, because I think that if you attempt to build up your new life in small, manageable steps – SMART remember – you could see a big improvement in a short space of time.
Join in. Getting involved in after-school activities such as sports or drama can be a very good way to make friends and have a good time. And be a friend. Those friends you had before, who went to other colleges, do you know how they are getting on? I’ll bet some of them are struggling, too. It’s time for you to be the one to reach out, see how they’re doing, arrange to meet up at a weekend.
Your passivity is making you miserable and self-centred. You’ll be amazed at the difference it makes when you start paying friendly attention to other people.
sensible
how republican...............scooter libby got an award from the conservatives. a felon. a liar. a person who outed a cia operative. the person who lied to judith miller of the ny times about iraq.............gets an award !!
had mccain become president, he probably would the get the medal of freedom (like tenet - another liar for the republicans)
there is no shame for these liars and thieves................
rtr
French Atomic Pique
September - 30 - 2009
"President Obama wants a unified front against Iran, and to that end he stood together with Nicolas Sarkozy and Gordon Brown in Pittsburgh on Friday morning to reveal the news about Tehran’s secret facility to build bomb-grade fuel. But now we hear that the French and British leaders were quietly seething on stage, annoyed by America’s handling of the announcement.
Both countries wanted to confront Iran a day earlier at the United Nations. Mr. Obama was, after all, chairing a Security Council session devoted to nonproliferation. The latest evidence of Iran’s illegal moves toward acquiring a nuclear weapon was in hand. With the world’s leaders gathered in New York, the timing and venue would be a dramatic way to rally international opinion.
President Sarkozy in particular pushed hard. He had been “frustrated” for months about Mr. Obama’s reluctance to confront Iran, a senior French government official told us, and saw an opportunity to change momentum. But the Administration told the French that it didn’t want to “spoil the image of success” for Mr. Obama’s debut at the U.N. and his homily calling for a world without nuclear weapons, according to the Paris daily Le Monde. So the Iran bombshell was pushed back a day to Pittsburgh, where the G-20 were meeting to discuss economic policy.
Le Monde’s diplomatic correspondent, Natalie Nougayrède, reports that a draft of Mr. Sarkozy’s speech to the Security Council Thursday included a section on Iran’s latest deception. Forced to scrap that bit, the French President let his frustration show with undiplomatic gusto in his formal remarks, laying into what he called the “dream” of disarmament. The address takes on added meaning now that we know the backroom discussions.
“We are right to talk about the future,” Mr. Sarkozy said, referring to the U.S. resolution on strengthening arms control treaties. “But the present comes before the future, and the present includes two major nuclear crises,” i.e., Iran and North Korea. “We live in the real world, not in a virtual one.” No prize for guessing into which world the Frenchman puts Mr. Obama.
“We say that we must reduce,” he went on. “President Obama himself has said that he dreams of a world without nuclear weapons. Before our very eyes, two countries are doing exactly the opposite at this very moment. Since 2005, Iran has violated five Security Council Resolutions . . .
“I support America’s ‘extended hand.’ But what have these proposals for dialogue produced for the international community? Nothing but more enriched uranium and more centrifuges. And last but not least, it has resulted in a statement by Iranian leaders calling for wiping off the map a Member of the United Nations. What are we to do? What conclusions are we to draw? At a certain moment hard facts will force us to make decisions.”
We thought we’d never see the day when the President of France shows more resolve than America’s Commander in Chief for confronting one of the gravest challenges to global security. But here we are".
Printed in The Wall Street Journal
rtr
sensible you have been put on the stupid list so please do play somewhere else if you can't keep yourself under control and be truthful.
sensible
AS PER RTR: "For 2009, the government collected $2.10 trillion in revenues, a 16.6 percent drop from 2008. The plunge reflected declining income tax collections as millions of Americans lost their jobs or saw their wages cut."
wow!.............what a reflection of republican economics!!
REPUBLICAN TAKE NOTE!! taxes are collected based on the previous year's income. 2009 tax collections reflect the economy of 2008. bush was president. obama wasn't nominated until mid-year. mccain was leading in the polls in early september...........................
so your point, rtr? are you trying to blame obama for less revenues? for lost jobs? for wage cuts?
CAN YOU SAY DELUSION...............
rtr
Posted by Papa Ray
This is long, I apologize, NO...not really. But if you don't like to read, just skip it.
Excellent post, I just hope your right. Obama and his cartel of commies, radicals and followers are not going to give up easily. They will shove the Health bill through and go on to the drastic take over of our Republic. Not that it is very far from that now. Or maybe they will double down on the Cap and Trade which promises to not only bankrupt America but usher in International rule under Obama's reign.
May I expound on how I think we got to this terrible moment in our young Republic?
But first, lets be clear, the democrats and Obama do understand the incremental nature of legislation, but they also have been taught the Chicago way (dirty tricks) of doing business in politics. Now Obama has backers and handlers that understand and practice it even more. The dirty tricks department now, not only extends to elections, false registrations and vote fraud, but to Chicago dirty tricks in the Senate and the House, and extends to the back rooms of lobbyists, progressive support groups such as Acorn and now also Corporations and Unions Boardrooms.
It also extends to a special Obama administration dept that keeps the "enemies list" and works 24/7 to destroy those that are against Obama and his handlers who are attempting to take over and destroy our Republic.
When Americans (or at least a majority of those that vote) finally come to the realization that our Republic (NOT designed nor meant to be a Democracy) has strayed far from the path that our Founders intended. When those Americans finally understand what our Founders feared would happen, has indeed happened slowly and steadily over the last fifty or so years, Obama, Reid, Pelosi and others like them will be given their walking papers. Or you would think so, wouldn't you? But if we go by our past record, it shows that term limits are never set by the voters, except in very extreme circumstances..
That my friends has got to change.
In the LAST 10 or so years, it took an out of control federal government spending our money and lots of it to FINALLY get (some of us) our attention. It should have gotten our attention over these last fifty or so years, it didn't because it was a slow and steady drain of our liberty and stealthy building of government theft and accumulation of powers.
There are still millions of Americans that don't know or care a twit about politics but just vote the party line or even worse...don't vote at all, and it is getting worse every election cycle.
Our Founder's not only warned us against all this, but wrote rules and regulations in our Bill of Rights (and it's Preamble), our Constitution meant to warn, prepare and enable us to protect the Republic for which they stood, died for and wanted for all of their future generations of Americans.
So over these years, we have allowed the slow destruction of our Founder's vision, their plan and their hopes for our Republic- by our inability to understand and stop those like Pelosi, Reid, Obama and their host of radical thugs. By just not paying attention and/or caring about "politics".
Now we are at the point where all of the years we neglected and forgot our responsibilities to our Republic are going to finally crash down and allow the complete destruction and END of our Republic. If you don't see this, you are part of the problem.
But there is a ray of hope, Americans attention has been not only raised, but also their long held anger. They can call us the extreme right, the radical right or whatever they wish, but they have seen nothing yet. Soon they will see the real power of the right. But it will take all of us working in our communities to get out the vote and educate those who still don't understand. Yes...that mean you. You must help, it is not just your future at stake here, but your children's and your grand children's.
I pray in the next year or so there are many millions more Americans that will voice their opinion and vote accordingly, so that our Republic does not perish. But before that is allowed to happen, the below quote will be something more than just to be read. It will be something to be acted upon.
Papa Ray
Central (used to be West) Texas
The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed - where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.
2009 Judge Alex Kozinski
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Papa Ray, This was an exellent post and I noticed the Socialist Marxists immediately came in and shouted and screamed in order to cover it up so I reposted it, "Hope you don't mind".
rtr
British Army Chief Issues Wake Up Call and States Obama Just Doesn’t Get It
October - 4 - 2009
“LONDON – British Army chief General Sir David Richards has warned the government and the public that if they don’t “wake up” to need of winning the Afghanistan war, al-Qaeda and the Taliban may “happily blow all of us up”.
“If al-Qaeda and the Taliban believe they have defeated us – what next? Would they stop at Afghanistan? Pakistan is clearly a tempting target not least because of the fact that it is a nuclear-weaponed state and that is a terrifying prospect.
“Even if only a few of those (nuclear) weapons fell into their hands, believe me they would use them. The recent airlines plot has reminded us that there are people out there who would happily blow all of us up,” The Telegraph quoted him, as saying.
General Richards’ intervention comes at a time when the Gordon Brown Government is being criticised for the way it has handled the war, with many saying the armed forces have been under-resourced.
The increasing tensions come against a background of rising British casualties and a 219th member of the armed forces has died in Afghanistan since the conflict began in 2001.
In an unprecedented warning, the chief of the general staff described the conflict as “this generation’s war” and if Britain and NATO failed in Afghanistan the risks to the western world would be “enormous” and “unimaginable”.
“Failure would have a catalytic effect on militant Islam around the world and in the region because the message would be that al-Qaeda and the Taliban have defeated the US and the British and NATO, the most powerful alliance in the world. The geo-strategic implications would be immense,” General Richards said.
He said that Obama administration’s plans to reduce troop number in Afghanistan and concentrate on counter-terrorist operations using special forces would not work. (ANI)”
sensible
REPUBLICAN MEMO:
the world began on jan. 20. 2009....................all "history" before this date is subject to change....................
WARNING: THE CONTEXT OF THIS MEMO MAY CHANGE AS OFTEN AS DICK CHENEY'S STORIES ..........
rtr
OBama Opens the Door to Terrorism – Nobel Prize
October - 9 - 2009
“Barack Obama did not so much get a win with the Nobel Peace Prize today as the U.S. Military and General Stanley McChrystal sustained a loss. The Prize itself will also be a loser along with all previous winners.
This is a reward for apologizing for America, dignifying dictators and throwing Israel under the bus. Jimmy Carter must be heartbroken.
How is world more dangerous with Obama?
Osama bin Laden perhaps described it best in a media interview gloating about how when the US pulled out of Somalia – he and his terrorist friends saw weakness, and a prey, the US, being vulnerable to attack.
If you can count on anything from psychotic terrorists and totalitarian dictators, it is their proclivity to pounce when their prey displays weakness.
Whenever Israel has extended olive branches such as exiting Gaza, Lebanon, offering statehood – the radical extremists only see weakness and answer with suicide bombers and rocket attacks. When North Korea sees an opening, zoom their long-range missile tests go. Turn your head for a second, and Russia rolls out the tanks.
Bog us down in bogus talks or negotiations that are a rouse from the get go, while building weapons, rockets and preparing for terror.
The only people who don’t seem to understand these radicals seem to all be working either on Pennsylvania Avenue or at the MoveOn.org.
Now, after cutting US defenses, appointing a US Attorney General whose law firm used to represent terrorists, appointing radical communist advisors to key Czar positions such as running our entire Green Economy, selling out Israel where Obama has a single-digit approval rating, removing war on terror from our discourse, and a weaker speech at the UN than even our weak-kneed European friends, the sharks are circling.
No wonder we are now reading about terror plot arrests all over the United States! It’s no wonder that the North Koreans are shooting rockets over Japan, it’s no wonder Taliban terror is increasing in Afghanistan, it’s no wonder the new Evil Alliance has developed between Hugo Chavez, Iran’s Ahmenijad, Kim-Jong-Il, with a new behind the scenes cooperator in Putin’s Russia.
A Putin’s Russia who finally, miraculously, just saw one of their main obstacles to regional domination removed by their new ally Barak Obama. His removal of missile defenses in Poland and elsewhere emboldens Russia and makes Europe itself more vulnerable to rogue missile attack. Why?
Now , after a historic and frightening UN meeting, a half dozen countries are threatening a nuclear arms race, and why?
Because the world’s defender of freedom, the world’s beacon of freedom, the one and only leader for the basic human values we know are endowed in all of us is now absent.
Our naïve President has is trying to usurp our position as the shining city on the hill, and on defense and foreign policy we are fast becoming not only another irrelevant international left wing player – but worse.
Our policies are literally making the American people more vulnerable to attack and this is absolutely unacceptable yet the left wing of this country is still willing to compromise our security because of some hysterical hatred of George Bush.
All we have to do is pick up the newspapers to see terror plots around us springing into action and the world around us a much more dangerous place because many have their heads in the sand.
Churchill warned about free democracies not recognizing mortal threats until they are at our doorstep. Friends, they are here.
The responsibility for not understanding how radical terrorists and totalitarians prey on weakness is the sole responsibility of our inexperienced and naïve President.
The more leftists claim anyone speaking the truth about our diplomatic plunge is either a racist or part of a right-wing conspiracy – the more dangerous a place our nation becomes, the more of our freedoms are lost, the more our enemies portray weakness and vulnerability”.
SorrySOB
Thanks for pointing out that you didn't work for the DIL rtr. Based on your excellent writing skills and fair reporting I would have sworn that you were Frank in disguise.
Bronco
Really puts the IGNORe in ignorant. rtr is not the topic, my fellows. Why do you submit?
rtr
Taliban Gaining Firepower and Confidence do to Obama and his lack of leadership.
October - 9 - 2009
“(CBS) It took months before the Taliban agreed to show CBS News their operations.
This was not like our last encounter with the Taliban three years ago when they were open to our visit. This time only our local Afghan team was permitted, reports CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Lara Logan.
CBS News Special Report: The Road Ahead
What they found was disturbing. Inside a vehicle was an Afghan policeman the Taliban had just captured.
Taliban fighters swarmed his police car, then drove it straight into the local town, parading their victory – masters in the art of propaganda.
Their commander, Amir Hamza, boasted that they’ve seized many hostages from the main road.
“I can show you if you want,” he added casually.
And show us they did. One captured policeman’s hand was shaking with fear as he was forced to hold up his ID card, the U.S. flag clearly visible. We don’t know what happened to him but the Taliban have executed many policemen.
One main highway is fertile ground for their attacks. Supply convoys don’t make it through. Seven fuel trucks torched – a massive blaze – and another show of Taliban force.
These days not even the Afghan capital is safe. Taliban fighters are able to blend easily with the local population here, moving in and out of Kabul at will. They’re able to carry out spectacular al Qaeda-style attacks with sophisticated military backing that many here believe comes from Pakistan.
Commander Hamza told us his Taliban had only a few small guns when they started to fight back against the U.S.
“Now we control the main road, close enough to see the American base,” Hamza said.
Hamza is part of what’s known here as “old Taliban,” one of those who grew up during the Russian occupation in the 1980’s, when the U.S. was arming Afghanistan’s holy warriors to defeat the Soviets. After the Russians limped home, Afghanistan descended into civil war. Five years later, the Taliban emerged out of the chaos – a radical, religious and political movement drawn from Afghanistan’s biggest Muslim tribe, the Pashtuns.
By the September 11 attacks of 2001, 90 percent of Afghanistan was in Taliban hands.
Commander Hamza told us: “After 9/11, when the Americans attacked, our government collapsed, but our organization did not. We went home and waited for orders.”
One of Hamza’s young fighters – or “new Taliban” – is part of a new generation, driven to fight the Americans out of deep hatred. He claims U.S. soldiers killed his father and two brothers. Now, he says, he will fight “to the last drop of my blood.”
It took two years, but al Qaeda fighters helped resurrect battered Taliban forces from the ashes of their defeat – arming and funding them. Now the two have the same goal of defeating the U.S.
“Absolutely right. Absolutely,” said Abdullah Abdullah, President Karzai’s main rival. “And they are depending on one another in such a way that one cannot survive without the other.”
The fight against the Taliban has become inseparable from the war against al Qaeda.
The momentum now is on the side of the insurgents and terrorists. They’re watching anti-war feeling in the U.S. grow and they smell victory”.
rtr
It’s All Downhill For Obama Now
October - 14 - 2009
"When it comes to Barack Obama, there are two kinds of people. One still believes he walks on water, the other knows he’s just a talented politician.
The five-man Nobel peace panel obviously belongs to the faith-based camp. Count them as slow learners.
Yet there’s no sense cursing them, for they inadvertently have provided a valuable service: Their award signifies the high-water mark of Obama-mania. The prize is so preposterous, it can only hasten the awakening of others to his inflated stature.
Like an investor who buys into a bubble just before it bursts, the panel’s declaration that Obama has done more for peace than anyone on the planet does not stand even half-serious scrutiny. The instant result is a simultaneous diminishing of both the prize and the man.
Arriving when half of America disapproves of Obama’s performance as president and others are having buyer’s remorse, the prize smacks of a desperate bid to prop him up. Because it comes from lefty foreigners who look with contempt on values most Americans cherish, the award serves to further distance Obama from his nation’s political heartland.
The very things the Nobel folks applaud him for — “a new climate of international politics” — go to the heart of suspicions Obama is ashamed of his country and aims to unilaterally lower its guard.
Indeed, the committee cited Obama’s push for nuclear disarmament. That’s certainly a noble goal, but foolish and dangerous if only the good guys buy in.
Even French President Nicolas Sarkozy scolded Obama for being starry-eyed on the subject, telling him, “We live in a real world, not a virtual world, and the real world expects us to make decisions.”
Sarkozy’s barb came as Obama hesitates to confront Iran and North Korea over nuclear weapons, but it could also have applied to his second-guessing the Afghanistan strategy. Only months after declaring it a “war of necessity” and vowing to defeat the Taliban and al Qaeda, Obama finds the fight difficult and is reportedly redefining the mission to target only Al Qaeda.
Dreams of peace built on appeasement litter history’s battlefields. As Ronald Reagan put it, “The search for peace must go on, but we have a better chance of finding it if we maintain our strength while we’re searching.”
Reagan said that at West Point shortly after taking office in 1981. He went on to win the Cold War and helped liberate hundreds of millions of people from the clutches of tyranny.
Now there’s a man worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize".
Michael Goodwin is a New York Post
rtr
Cheney: Obama’s Afghan War Strategy ‘Bears Striking Resemblance’ to Bush’s
October - 22 - 2009
Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Wednesday that the Bush administration had developed a new strategy on the war in Afghanistan before leaving office — a strategy that he said “bears a striking resemblance” to the one announced by President Obama in March.
In a speech to the Center for Security Policy, Cheney said the Bush administration handed Obama’s transition team a policy review of the Afghan war conducted last fall to meet the new challenges posed by the Taliban.
“They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt,” Cheney said.
Cheney’s comments countered a recent claim by White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel that the Obama administration had to form an Afghan war strategy from scratch because the Bush administration hadn’t asked any key questions about the war and left it “adrift.”
The comments add more fuel to the ongoing war of words between the former vice president and Obama administration officials over the current administration’s national security policies, including the Justice Department’s probe into alleged abuse of terror suspects by the Bush CIA and the president’s plan to close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay.
Obama is currently debating whether to ramp up war at the request of his military advisers or scale back the effort and focus on going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, as some of his political advisers are urging.
Gen. Stanley McCrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, is reportedly seeking up to 40,000 additional troops on the ground where there are currently 68,000 U.S. soldiers.
Cheney says Obama should listen to his military commander.
“They made a decision — a good one, I think — and sent a commander into the field to implement it,” Cheney said, referring to McChrystal, who was chosen in May by Obama to lead the fight in Afghanistan.
“Now they seem to be pulling back and blaming others for their failure to implement the strategy they embraced,” he said. “It’s time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity.”
Obama has drawn sharp criticism from conservatives who argue that the deliberations are playing into the hands of the Taliban and damaging the morale of the U.S. troops fighting there.
Obama has said he will make a decision soon, possibly before Nov. 7 runoff election between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and his rival Abdullah Abdullah.
Emanuel told CNN that the president is “asking the questions that have never been asked on the civilian side, the political side, the military side and the strategic side.”
“It’s clear that basically we had a war for eight years that was going on, that’s adrift, that we’re beginning at scratch, just at the starting point…and that there’s not a security force, an army, and the types of services that are important for the Afghans to become a true partner.”
In March, Obama ordered 4,000 more troops into Afghanistan, bringing the total then to 21,000 additional soldiers since he took office.
“So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat Al Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future,” he said at the time.
But rapidly deteriorating conditions and a widely disputed and unresolved election in Afghanistan gave the Obama administration pause and led to the current policy review.
“Having announced his Afghanistan strategy last March, President Obama now seems afraid to make a decision, and unable to provide his commander on the ground with the troops he needs to complete his mission,” he said, calling on Obama to fulfill a promise he made in August to armed forces in a speech at the VFW to give them the support and resources need to get the job done.
“It’s time for President Obama to make good on his promise,” he said. “The White House must stop dithering while America’s armed forces are in danger.”
“Make no mistake, signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries,” he added. “Waffling, while our troops on the ground face an emboldened enemy, endangers them and hurts our cause.”
Source: Fox News
Rob123
Oh the horribleness of it all! Thank you rtr, I had no clue! I always thought the dead civilians in Vietnam whose survivors came with pictures, sometimes corpses, inorder to get paid by me for our collateral damage, were just props in a sideshow. Ya mean they were REAL PEOPLE! And now they are in Washinton D.C., getting more? Oh, the horror. Oh Daniel, er rtr, save us from these beasts......Cut my Taxes! You're the Man.
sensible
ahhhh reaganomics.................junk bonds, hostile takeovers, theft of pensions, mega mergers, tax the hel! out of labor, outsourcing, savings and loan theft, more than halving the wealthiest tax rate yet leaving the lower rates the same(real wealth distribution)....................what a world.
any pensioner from the 70's and 80's know what i talk about. the 80's mega-mergers and hostile takeovers pilfered working class pensions (contractual obligations) to benefit those SO deserving billionaires (pete, do you hear me now?).....................
i know people who worked decades for those pensions (contracual agreements) and had them stolen (YES STOLEN) just before retirement.....................REAGAN THIEVES. FREE MARKET!!
until you know someone whose pension was stolen by reagan corporatists, and is forced to seek help due to no fault of their own..............shut the hel! up.
you know not what you speak of...........
turn it over to the thieves, frank says. free market. let the rich steal whatever they want. no rules...........no rules. free market. make theft legal.
rtr
Jeff Flake to Nancy Pelosi: Strip PMA Group earmarks
October - 30 - 2009
Citing the revelation of an ethics review of senior defense appropriators, a leading House earmark critic has asked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to eliminate more than 70 projects — totaling nearly $200 million —- for former clients of a now-defunct lobbying firm with close ties to the powerful lawmakers.
“I respectfully request that all of the no-bid contracts in the form of House earmarks for former clients of PMA be stripped from the pending fiscal year 2010 defense appropriations conference report,” Rep. Jeff Flake wrote to Pelosi (D-Calif.), Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), Appropriations Committee Chairman David Obey (D-Wis.) and the top Republican on the committee, Jerry Lewis (R-Calif.) in a letter released to POLITICO after it was sent. “There is simply no defensible reason to allow no-bid contracts for former clients of a lobby firm embroiled in an ongoing scandal currently under investigation.”
Flake’s request, which refers to earmarks for former clients of the defunct PMA Group lobbying firm, is the first fallout from the revelation on the Washington Post Web site Thursday night that ethics investigators has been looking at the actions of seven of the 16 members of the Defense Appropriations subcommittee, including the five most senior Democrats on the panel and the top Republican, Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.).
The PMA Group, stocked with former employees of defense appropriators, specialized in winning defense-bill earmarks for its clients. A review of the fiscal 2008 defense appropriations bill by the watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense found nearly $300 million in earmarks for PMA Group clients.
Its political action committee, its lobbyists and executives of its client companies served as a ready fundraising base for the senior defense appropriators and their allies in Congress, funneling millions of dollars of campaign contributions to lawmakers over the course of the last decade.
At the center of the setup was Paul Magliocchetti, a former Appropriations aide with close ties to Defense Subcommittee Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.). His colleagues at PMA included aides with strong ties to Defense Subcommittee members Peter Visclosky (D-Ind.), Jim Moran (D-Va.), and Norm Dicks (D-Wash.).
The FBI raided Magliocchetti’s office and home, precipitating the disbanding of PMA Group at the end of last year. Federal investigators are looking into whether he illegally used “straw donors” to exceed limitations on campaign contributions.
In addition to those members, the ethics committee is also looking at Defense appropriators Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio), Bill Young (R-Fla.) and Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), though they have not previously been linked PMA and may be under review for other matters.
Moran and Kaptur have both talked with the independent Office of Congressional Ethics, which has the power to investigate complaints lodged by members of the public. The House’s ethics panel – called the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct – cannot accept complaints made by anyone other than House members.
Flake has been the leading critic of PMA and tried several times earlier this year to get the House to force the ethics committee to investigate the relationship between earmarks and campaign contributions.
Ultimately, Democratic leaders had the House refer a non-binding resolution to the ethics committee this summer, giving cover to party members who didn’t want to vote against a probe.
“[N]o one can deny the cloud that the PMA scandal continues to cast over this institution,” Flake wrote in his letter, which was copied to Ethics Chairwoman Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) and the panel’s ranking Republican, Jo Bonner of Alabama".
Source: Politico
rtr
I would like to make a personal thanks to the DIL for keeping us all informed with great information on current events.
It should be noted that the majority of the people living in the Flathead Valley are the real hero's for keeping it alive and well by purchasing it and proving their loyalty to freedom of the press and the DIL itself.
OH by the way I am not a DIL employee so no need for you socialists to get your shorts in a knot.
Rob123
I want to sell my businesses and rentals and big boy toys and join rtr! What a prophet! What a holy man! Was that him walking by Finley point last night, on water? I saw the image on my computer, it must be true? Oh rtr, save me! Take away my Capital Gains! And the touch of arthritis in my Left Shoulder.......what a savior for us poor rich kids.
rtr
Obama’s ‘Safe Schools’ Czar Admits He Poorly Handled Underage Sex Case
October - 1 - 2009
President Obama’s “safe schools czar,” under fire from critics who say he’s unfit for his job, acknowledged Wednesday that he “should have handled [the] situation differently” years ago when he was a schoolteacher and didn’t report that a 15-year-old boy told him that he was having sex with an older man.
Kevin Jennings, the founder of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network, was teaching high school in Concord, Mass., in 1988 when the boy, a sophomore, confessed an involvement with a man he had met in a bus station bathroom in Boston. Jennings has written that he told the boy, “I hope you knew to use a condom.”
In a statement issued Wednesday, Jennings said: “Twenty one years later I can see how I should have handled this situation differently. I should have asked for more information and consulted legal or medical authorities.”
Click here for more on the opposition to Jennings’ appointment.
Jennings, director of the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools, said he believes his office can now help keep other new teachers from making the same mistake.
“Teachers back then had little training or guidance about this kind of thing,” Jennings said. “All teachers should have a basic level of preparedness. I would like to see the Office of Safe and Drug Free Schools play a bigger role in helping to prepare teachers.”
His statement came amid new discoveries about his descriptions of his interaction with the gay high school student, whom he called “Brewster” in his 1994 book, “One Teacher in 10,” and in a speech he gave in 2000.
In his 2007 autobiography, “Mama’s Boy, Preacher’s Son: A Memoir,” Jennings writes nearly the same story, but he calls the student “Robertson.”
On page 162, Jennings writes: “Robertson soon told me the tale, about someone he’d met in Boston, how he thought he loved him, how heartbroken he was when his calls never got returned…”
On page 169, he continues: “As the fall wore on, Robertson continued to drop by my office to chat, often updating me on his latest ‘adventures.’ Sometimes these startled me, and I began to underline the importance of safe sex to him. One day he snapped back, ‘Why should I use a condom? My life isn’t worth saving anyway.’”
Jennings was appointed to his job because of his longtime record of working to end bullying and discrimination in schools. But his critics say he is not qualified for the job, saying he has advocated promoting homosexuality in schools, written about his past drug abuse and expressed contempt for religion.
Peter Sprigg of the Family Research Council says Jennings’ past remarks about his encounter with the teenage boy call into question the sincerity of his new statement.
“It’s not as though, ‘Oh, this was a youthful mistake I made as a brand-new teacher, but now that I’m an adult I realize that I handled it wrong.’ Because he has told this story as recently as last year, in another book, and has not expressed any regret until now. So that indicates to me that this is more out of political necessity than it is about genuine remorse,” Sprigg told FOX News.
Department of Education spokesman Justin Hamilton declined to comment on Jennings’ statements about the incident, since it took place in 1988.
But Obama’s Secretary of Education, Arne Duncan, said Wednesday he is “honored” to work with Jennings and described him as “uniquely qualified for his job.”
“Kevin Jennings has dedicated his professional career to promoting school safety,” Duncan said. “He is uniquely qualified for his job and I am honored to have him on our team.
Jennings also released a statement on his past writings on drug use.
“I have written about the factors that have led me to use drugs as a teen. This experience qualifies me to help students and teachers who are confronting these issues today.”
On page 103 of the same book, discussing his high school years in Hawaii in the early 1980s, Jennings wrote:
“I got stoned more often and went out to the beach at Bellows, overlooking Honolulu Harbor and the lights of the city, to drink with my buddies on Friday and Saturday nights, spending hours watching the planes take off and land at the airport, which is actually quite fascinating when you are drunk and stoned.”
Sprigg said he would like to see a more specific statement from Jennings.
“We still haven’t heard a clear and explicit statement from him that no one of any age should use illegal drugs, including marijuana. That would seem to be a prerequisite for the position he is in,” he said.
He also said Jennings’ appointment reflects poorly on the vetting procedures of the Obama administration.
“I suspect that the vetting procedure for Jennings was fairly superficial… This controversy about the possible statutory rape was raised in 2004 when he received an award from the NEA. So it’s not like it’s been a secret. So I think it shows yet another failure of the Obama administration’s vetting process.”
By: Fox News
rtr
SorrySOB
I imagine all of your conservative friends are thrilled to have you representing them. My hat's off to you.
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I doubt wether they care seeing as how you drowned them out with your trash with in the first four or five hours this morning RIGHT after they started posting.
SorrySOB
By the way, I prefer the term Marxist Socialist rather than Socialist Marxist. It has a nicer ring to it.
SorrySOB
Wow. You are really impressive rtr. I couldn't hardly find the top of the page (oh, I guess it is right where it always is) to make my post. You are really knocking our socks off now. What a great plan. Keep up the good work. I imagine all of your conservative friends are thrilled to have you representing them. My hat's off to you. Looking forward to your next riveting cut and paste.
rtr
I am just guessing you Socialists don't like it much when someone uses "Your Own Tactics" to take over a comment section.
By the way I am sticking to the climate of the columns and current events unlike what you all do.
Just let me know when you are going to knock off your Socialist / Marxist political platform building and just maybe we can get the comment section back to where EVERYONE opinion is heard.
That would include you SOCIALISTS telling the truth also and not spreading lies and misinformation to sell you political socialism. "Know what I mean sensible, Bendnd, Rob, Bronco and et al socialists" and keeping it to current events.
benznd
And SorrySOB, I confess to the same liberal, Marxist, Socialist, Stalinist karma. I am out to ruin every one's turkey dinner. I want my stinky government to take over and I make no bones about it. I want them to start cleaning the streets and patching the holes. Mowing the lawns at the local park. Handing out out mail. Patrolling the streets and neighborhoods and putten out all the fires. Build those carriers. And keep educating our kids. I am for it and I KNOW it is Marxism, and I love it! Keep that money coming from all those hard working capitalists and free marketeers. Redistribute that wealth! That is what I am for SorrySOB. Keep on keeping on Bro.
Power to the people, power to the people right on. May the hippies return to their socialistic roots and talk about conspicuous consumption and the capitalist houses on the Lake. Take those houses away and make them into orphan's homes. Would have said orphan-e-jes but am sure that was not the correct spelling and too LAZY to look it up. Sounds like a commie to me, lazy and uneducated. Can't spell either. Take the DIL underground and write about the social ills of capitalism and unregulated free market. Get some folks to start singing and written songs about the state of the Union. Get a draft. Start a war. You KNOW the routine SorrySOB. Come on people now, smile on your brother and sister, everybody get together try to convert one and another, right now. Or something like that> Well enough of my cr*ap. Off to the library.....
rtr
By the way "SOCIALISTS" that includes your constant insults of the DIL seeing as how every time you insult the DIL you are in reality insulting the majority of the people in the Flathead Valley since the DIL is most sold and enjoyed paper in the Flathead.
How are you likeing it now when your same tactics are being used on you..
benznd
Whew! Holy beet pulp Batman! "Ya looked for the OCPD stuff yet?" "No little bat person, been busy counting my coins!" "You see, I have transitioned to the banking system and have little interest in the pursuit of truth and justice!" "Those poor bast*ards can take care of themselves from here on out and with the likes of the goofy som*bit*ch that keeps posten his stuff, the American Way (aka AMWAY) is doomed." So, little bas*tard bat person, you must just take care of yourself first!" Whew, that was very difficult to write and took hours. I tried so hard to hold Batman's feet to the fire and remain sympathetic to our plight, but he just got sucked in, like our President.
rtr
How are you Socialist Marxists liking it now when the comment section gets flooded like you do all the time in order to drowned out any thing you don't want people to see in the comment section that is in opposition to your political platform building..
Until you knock off your political platform building shouting over any opposition and or ETC. I have a ton of stuff to post.
rtr
NEW POLLS GIVE HOPE THAT AMERICA IS WAKING UP TO OBAMA’S CHANGE!
On October - 30 - 2009
In the latest polling from USA Today/Gallup, 54% of Americans now say that Barack Obama’s policies are either liberal or very liberal. That number is up from 43% in November of 2008. USA Today/Gallup and Rasmussen polling is painting a picture of an America that is waking up to the realization that Obama’s policies are not the Change for which they had Hoped.
President Obama, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and all the other left-wing wannabe socialists in D.C. have told us time and again that Health Care, and the socialization thereof, is the number one issue in America. Problem is you don’t agree. Not even close.
In November of 2008, 64% of you said, “It’s the economy stupid.” A mere 5% of you went to the polls in 2008 to cast your vote for “Hope and Change” in regards to Health Care. Today, despite all the infomercials and Mr. Obama’s Network Tour-de-farce on national television (for which he’s probably been nominated for an Emmy) only 17% of you believe Health Care is the top issue. 41% of Americans say, “It’s the economy stupid”, and 18% of you say it’s Afghanistan. Afghanistan didn’t register in the polls back in November of 2008. Iraq, and the war there, was seen as the top issue by 11% of you.
Remember Iraq. Remember the war there? Remember Obama’s promise of Hope and Change in Iraq.
66% of you ran to the polls in November of 2008 believing it all lock stock and barrel. Today, 56% of you still think Obama will bring the troops home safely from Iraq, and do it in a “way that is not harmful to the U.S.”.
When do you people learn?
It was actually candidate Obama who told us that Iraq was an unnecessary war, that it was Afghanistan which truly mattered. Back on election day, 58% of you thought a “President Obama” would bring our troops home from Afghanistan in a “way that is not harmful to the U.S.”.
You do remember Afghanistan, right Mr. President? It’s that little war you told us was far more important than was that big war in Iraq when you wanted our vote?
In fact, Obama promised to step it up in Afghanistan and to bring Osama Bin Laden to justice immediately. That was back in July of 2008.
Let’s not forget the doings over in Congress. Democrats control everything. That’s what you decided would best benefit our children’s futures back in 2008 because you were mad at mean old George W. Bush. How do you think YOUR Congress is faring today?
According to a daily tracking poll from Rasmussen, 15% of you think that Congress is doing “a great or excellent job”. Seriously, 15%! Where do the pollsters even find these lunatics?
53% rate Congress as doing a “poor” job. To say that Congress is doing a poor job is like saying the Titanic hit an ice cube.
Rasmussen also takes a look at the numbers for Obama by party.
Shockingly Dems approve, Republicans don’t. Here’s the really important number; among Independents or those that claim no party affiliation, 29% approve of Obama, and 57% disapprove of Obama’s performance as president.
Rasmussen also looked at Health Care specifically. Remember, that the issue that Obama, et al, keep telling you is the most important single issue in the history of the Universe.
Scott Rasmussen writes in the Wall Street Journal:
“There’s also the reality that 74% of voters rate the quality of care they now receive as good or excellent. And 50% fear that if Congress passes health-care reform, it will lead to a decline in the quality of that care.”
Why The Fuss! After all, the U.S. Government has done such a great job with distributing the H1N1 Vaccine, and the Post Office is awesome if you like long lines and surly attitudes, let’s not forget the outstanding work of the V.A. Hospitals. Seniors say Medicare is to die for.
Some of you have awakened. How bad does it have to get for the rest of you?
Source: John G. Winder , The Cypress Times
rtr
US deficit surges to all-time record
On October - 17 - 2009
As a portion of the economy, the budget deficit stood at 10 percent, the highest since World War II, according to government data released Friday.
President Barack Obama has pledged to reduce the deficit once the Great Recession ends and the unemployment rate starts falling. But economists worry the government lacks the will to make the hard political choices to cut spending and raise taxes to get control of the imbalances.
For 2009, the government collected $2.10 trillion in revenues, a 16.6 percent drop from 2008. The plunge reflected declining income tax collections as millions of Americans lost their jobs or saw their wages cut. Corporate taxes also plummeted as the recession squeezed companies’ profit margins.
Government spending last year jumped to $3.52 trillion, up 18.2 percent over 2008. The $700 billion financial bailout fund and increased spending and tax relief from the $787 billion economic stimulus program that Obama pushed through Congress in February drove the increase.
For September, a month when the government usually records surpluses, the deficit totaled $46.6 billion. That’s a sharp contrast to the $45.7 billion surplus in September 2008, the last time the government’s books were in the black.
In issuing the final budget figures, top administration officials said the president was determined to get control of the deficits in coming years.
“It was critical that we acted to bring the economy back from the brink earlier this year,” White House budget director Peter Orszag said in a statement. “The president recognizes that we need to put the nation back on a fiscally sustainable path.”
source: Daily Finance for AOL
rtr
Sing Praise to Obama in Public School
Posted by WakeUpAmerica.com On September - 28 - 2009The radical socialist regime has a released a new song through a NJ elementary music teacher who went to Harvard with OBama, and teaches it to her classes.
Now let me get this straight, public students cannot have Christmas trees in their hallways, they cannot sing Christmas carols, nor learn about God.
They can, however, learn about evolution and sing the praises of OBama. Did I fall asleep and wake up in another world. What happened to free religious expression and “In God We Trust”?
The oppression of the rights this country was founded are being taken away from us one by one, as we sing and praise the mighty OBama.
Mr. President, dude, get over yourself, and uphold the constitution that you pledged during your inauguration on January 20, 2009.
SorrySOB
Let's try this rtr. I am a proud Marxist, Socialist, and Liberal - all of those beat Republican. Now, how can you copy and paste your fat stubby fingers to the bone to "expose" me when I've already fessed up? What are you going to do now? Keep "turning on the light" and "exposing" the rest I guess. What a joke.
Rob123
Bronco.....ah,er, both!
rtr
Andy Williams accuses Barack Obama of following Marxist theory
Andy Williams, the veteran pop singer, has accused Barack Obama of “following Marxist theory” and “wanting the country to fail”. Williams accuses Barack Obama of following Marxist theory. Williams, a lifelong Republican whose hits include Moon River and Music To Watch Girls By, told the Radio Times he thought Mr Obama wanted to turn the US into a “socialist country”.
The 81-year-old was a friend of the Kennedy family during the 1960s and was present at the Los Angeles rally where Robert F Kennedy was assassinated in 1968.
“I was very close to Bobby and he asked me to be a delegate for him when he ran for president,” he said.
“He knew about me being a Republican, but just laughed and said, ‘Sign yourself in as a Democrat and then change back afterwards’. Sadly, I never got to do that.
“I was very close to Teddy Kennedy, too, and his death recently brought it all back. What a tragedy. Had he lived, I think Bobby would have been a great president.”
But Williams had a less favourable opinion of the current president.
“Don’t like him at all,” he said, “I think he wants to create a socialist country. The people he associates with are very Left-wing. One is registered as a Communist.
“Obama is following Marxist theory. He’s taken over the banks and the car industry. He wants the country to fail.”
Politicians, media personalities and conservative activists have accused the US president of espousing socialist ideas.
Earlier this month, Jim Greer, the chairman of the Republican Party in Florida, said he was “absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama’s socialist ideology”, after the US leader appeared in a televised address to be shown in classrooms around the country.”I was very close to Bobby and he asked me to be a delegate for him when he ran for president,” he said.
“He knew about me being a Republican, but just laughed and said, ‘Sign yourself in as a Democrat and then change back afterwards’. Sadly, I never got to do that.
“I was very close to Teddy Kennedy, too, and his death recently brought it all back. What a tragedy. Had he lived, I think Bobby would have been a great president.”
But Williams had a less favourable opinion of the current president.
“Don’t like him at all,” he said, “I think he wants to create a socialist country. The people he associates with are very Left-wing. One is registered as a Communist.
“Obama is following Marxist theory. He’s taken over the banks and the car industry. He wants the country to fail.”
Politicians, media personalities and conservative activists have accused the US president of espousing socialist ideas.
Earlier this month, Jim Greer, the chairman of the Republican Party in Florida, said he was “absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama’s socialist ideology”, after the US leader appeared in a televised address to be shown in classrooms around the country.”I was very close to Bobby and he asked me to be a delegate for him when he ran for president,” he said.
“He knew about me being a Republican, but just laughed and said, ‘Sign yourself in as a Democrat and then change back afterwards’. Sadly, I never got to do that.
“I was very close to Teddy Kennedy, too, and his death recently brought it all back. What a tragedy. Had he lived, I think Bobby would have been a great president.”
But Williams had a less favourable opinion of the current president.
“Don’t like him at all,” he said, “I think he wants to create a socialist country. The people he associates with are very Left-wing. One is registered as a Communist.
“Obama is following Marxist theory. He’s taken over the banks and the car industry. He wants the country to fail.”
Politicians, media personalities and conservative activists have accused the US president of espousing socialist ideas.
Earlier this month, Jim Greer, the chairman of the Republican Party in Florida, said he was “absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama’s socialist ideology”, after the US leader appeared in a televised address to be shown in classrooms around the country.”I was very close to Bobby and he asked me to be a delegate for him when he ran for president,” he said.
“He knew about me being a Republican, but just laughed and said, ‘Sign yourself in as a Democrat and then change back afterwards’. Sadly, I never got to do that.
“I was very close to Teddy Kennedy, too, and his death recently brought it all back. What a tragedy. Had he lived, I think Bobby would have been a great president.”
But Williams had a less favourable opinion of the current president.
“Don’t like him at all,” he said, “I think he wants to create a socialist country. The people he associates with are very Left-wing. One is registered as a Communist.
“Obama is following Marxist theory. He’s taken over the banks and the car industry. He wants the country to fail.”
Politicians, media personalities and conservative activists have accused the US president of espousing socialist ideas.
Earlier this month, Jim Greer, the chairman of the Republican Party in Florida, said he was “absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama’s socialist ideology”, after the US leader appeared in a televised address to be shown in classrooms around the country.
rtr
Are the Radical Socialists Taking over OUR Country?
The radical socialists have taken over banks, automakers, insurance companies, and are now threatening a government health care takeover that will destroy the highest quality care in the world.
We are witnessing the biggest liberal government power grab in the history of America. Spending with no regard for the debt on our grandchildrens’ backs.
Never before have our individual liberties been this threatened. Obama taking over the private sector, waging war on the free enterprise system, trying to eliminate competition and the financial incentive for individuals to achieve and create.
Socialist liberal leaders attacking and insulting regular American citizens simply for disagreeing with their policies? If you disagree on an issue with Obama, you’re a racist?
A media that protects Obama by ignoring their duty as a check and balance and abandoning any sense of honest journalism.
If we don’t stand up and take action, we might as well be living in Canada if Obama and the radical socialists have their way.
rtr
Heroes or villians?
On October - 17 - 2009
Another member of the Obama administration is raising questions and eyebrows over comments she made regarding Mao Tse Tung.
Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director, is under fire after a video was released showing Dunn praising the former communist dictator as one of her favorite philosophers. She went on to quote Tse Tung, expressing her agreement with his views about fighting “individual wars” and not worrying about others. Fairly mild stuff, considering the horrific crimes committed by one of China’s most infamous dictators.
However, it does raise questions about Dunn and others who have been appointed key positions in President Obama’s administration. The most famous example is Van Jones, the Green Jobs Czar, who resigned after comments he made regarding socialism were revealed.
Yes, Anita Dunn is a Mao cheerleader, said Michelle Malkin in her blog, but that’s not her only problem. The White House’s “chief Fox-basher” also has a “career-long commitment to flacking for one of the Beltway’s most entrenched and crooked creatures, Tom Daschle,” and she’s “married to Obama thug lawyer Robert Bauer, who tried valiantly to get the DOJ to prosecute conservative critics and punish TV stations for running an ad critical of Obama’s relationship with Weather Underground Bill Ayers.”
Taking the heat for these revelations is Glenn Beck, the radio talk show host and Fox TV star who is credited with exposing these people. Beck is portrayed by many as a “conservative spokesman” for the Republican party. However, anyone who has listened to him knows this to be far from the case. On many occasions, Glenn Beck has taken the Republican party to task, stating that he is more of a Libertarian than a Republican.
Criticism of Glenn Beck is not the key issue here. Those attacking him seem more intent on diverting the attention to Beck rather than deal with the issues he has raised. As the old addage says, “Don’t kill the messenger.”
So, what is the message? And, why is it important? To help illustrate the problems Beck, Malkin, Limbaugh and others see, let’s take a look at the leaders who are given praise by members of the Obama administration.
1.Mao Tse Tung (Zedong)-Chairman of Communist party of China, 1943-1975. Leader of Peoples Republic of China (PRC), 1949-1976. His contributions to Marxism-Leninism, military strategies and communist policies are known as Maoism. Under his regime, tens of millions of chinese died, either from starvation or execution. In 1978, many of his policies were abandoned by Deng Xiaoping and replaced with economic reforms.
2.Ernesto Che Guevera,1928-1967-born in Argentina, known as a Marxist revolutionary, was instrumental in the Cuban Revolution, overthrowing Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. Later known as an “extremely harsh disciplinarian who unhesitatingly shot defectors.” Deserters were punished as traitors, and Guevara was known to send execution squads to hunt down those seeking to go AWOL. As a result, Guevara became feared for his brutality and ruthlessness.]During the guerrilla campaign, Guevara was also responsible for the often summary execution of a number of men accused of being informers, deserters or spies.
3.Fidel Castro-Dictator of Cuba, 1959-2006. Originally claimed he was not communist, also stated he did not want power. In 1961, declared Cuba a “socialist state” and officially abolished multi-party elections. Formed alliance with Russia and KGB, displaying Russian tanks and other military weapns on New Year’s Day in 1961. Also closed down opposition news papers and took state control of radio and tv. Moderates, teachers and professors were purged. Up to 20,000 dissidents held in prison and tortured under inhumane prison conditions. Condemned homosexuality and formed concentration camps where homosexuals received “medical-political re-education”. Claimed homosexuality was “bourgeois decadence, and he denounced “maricones” (faggots) as “agents of imperialism”. Castro stated that “homosexuals should not be allowed in positions where they are able to exert influence upon young people”. Millions defected to US as result of Castro’s economic policies.
4.Hugo Chavez-followed Fidel Castro’s plans of taking over radio, tv, newspapers, business and other private entities. Self-proclaimed socialist, has denounced US as “imperialist” many times. Also praises Lenin, Marx and other communist/socialist leaders.
These are just a few of the “thugs” praised by Anita Dunn, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd and others with prominent roles in the Obama administration.
Given these views, it is only natural and correct to question what this means for the future of our country.
Source: Cincinnati Conservative Examiner by Daniel Beckstedt
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Obama’s socialism success “requires destruction of family and church,” says U.S. senator
October - 25 - 2009A United States senator this week is the latest person to echo Rush Limbaugh’s sentiment, “Americans should want Obama to fail.” Why? Because the president’s socialist policies threaten human life and the family.
“Both the family and the Church stand in the way of socialism’s triumph, former US Senator Rick Santorum told Christians gathered for the 17th International Week of Prayer and Fasting last week,” according to Peter J. Smith’s LifeSiteNews.com report (excerpts follow).
The pro-life champion warned attendees, however, that both institutions are under heavy attack from Obama-administration policies.
“We are under a great assault with this President and this Congress on the issue of life. We are under a great assault, maybe even greater assault, on the foundational issue of the family,” Santorum to