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Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2012 7:02 pm

Searching old newspapers is one of my favorite pastimes, and I have tried to use them many times to shed light on current events — or to inform readers about how the past is prologue to our very interesting present-day quandaries.

Recently, I came across a syndicated column from November 1979 that seemed to point 30 years into the future toward an obscure campaign issue that arose briefly in the 2008 presidential campaign.

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          Welcome to the discussion.

          224 comments:

          • MichelleVannette posted at 5:37 pm on Mon, Sep 8, 2014.

            MichelleVannette Posts: 2

            I don't really know, but what I do know is I love my stainless steel towel rack!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:28 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: The job market is still weak, all things considered. But it's not as weak as the data we've been seeing imply. And that can help us explain things like "why has the unemployment rate been falling despite weak payroll growth?"

            HTC: Only a lying progressive could even make this claim and keep a straight face. The unemployment rate has dropped a bit ONLY because more people are giving up on finding a job than there are newly unemployed added to the unemployment lines each month. Currently, 4X as many people are giving up as there are new jobs being created.

            It takes some major lying-azz kahones to say "it's not as weak as data implies."

            jennydoe: Note that the benchmarking added a net of 386,000 jobs.... Note that this also means that the Obama Era has crossed the symbolically important zero line. More Americans are employed today than were when he took office.

            HTC: Great! The big ZERO in the White House has created almost exactly ZERO new jobs in nearly four years! What an achievement! He now holds the record for the slowest recovery since the Great Depression! Even Bush created a net 1.2 million jobs which, while not stellar, still significantly beats Obama's record.

            Median household income also rose by 18% under Bush, whereas it's declined by almost 9% under Obama.

            Only a dumbazz progressive would even begin to suggest that this is good news or worthy of recognition.

            We're currently creating jobs at ONE-THIRD the rate needed JUST TO KEEP UP WITH POPULATION GROWTH, let alone create jobs for the nearly 25 MILLION who are currently unemployed or underemployed. Your guy's pathetic economic achievements have NO HOPE of ever doing more than continuing to grow the number of the permanently unemployed and underemployed.

            But since you're doing OK for the moment, their suffering doesn't matter, I guess.

            And keep in mind that the BLS report in January 2013 is just as likely to revise things downwards again as upwards, especially since the trend has shifted downwards again in this quarter.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:21 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:59 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            ? Now what, bring up your mother's mental health?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:04 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: What post would you be referring to?

            HTC: My apologies - that was Bronco's post that I was responding to.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:59 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Pretty civilized now......sigh......

            HTC: Well, there's at least one spot in the Libby area where the thinking is still backwards. I suspect you know the place quite well.

            Rob123: Don't lecture me, you condescending twit.

            HTC: Seems to me you need some good lecturing since your daddy isn't around to do it any longer. I can't imagine that he was as confused as you are on economic matters nor as to what his own best interests were in the political and financial arena.

            But I could be wrong. Quite often the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:54 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST.

            HTC: Sorry to hear about your cousin and his employees who are now jobless.

            Of course, Obama doesn't know what it's like to have to let good people go who've worked for you for years, because he's never built anything except a career built on pure hot air.

            I know what it's like and it's a heavy burden. That's why seeing more businesses fail each year that Obama is in office and seeing more jobs lost because of his incompetence is so intolerable to me.

            Maybe jennydoe can teach me how to live with such things and not be bothered by them; after all, she plans on reelecting this master of misery, so she must have in turn mastered the quiescence of her own compassion and conscience.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:08 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            Just took a cruise around Bitterroot Lake, up over Griffin Creek to Tally Lake, then up the Farm to Market road.....Sure a lot of 4 Sale signs......Some pretty nice places......Of course, I remember the drive to Bitterroot Lake in the brand new 1959 Chevy Station Wagon and dropping my big sister off at a Girl Scout Summer Camp and it was WAY out in the boondocks. Pretty civilized now......sigh......

            Pete posted at 11:00 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.
            I merely posted someone else's info.....I found it interesting and a sad commentary on what people are thinking. That's all.......

            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:47 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.
            HTC: "(when was the last time a poor man gave you a job?)"

            As you know, I am Self Employed, and have been for 35 years. I also carry a 7 digit Account Receivable. Don't lecture me, you condescending twit.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 4:37 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: jennydoe: Even these experts aren't expert enough to meet HTC's expertise on the economy. He should inform the US government of his Right-eousness.

            HTC: I see you're still trying to substitute what you believe to be wit for fact-based, logical argument.

            What 'experts' would you be referring to?
            -----------
            What post would you be referring to?

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:33 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Rebel Rouser posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            .............nice:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMhq1L0cJf0

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:04 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe posted at 12:21 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            Obama ruled out his own reelection back in February of 2009 when he told Matt Lauer that he didn't deserve reelection if he failed to heal the economy in 3 years time:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCN5-ovvFL0

            Now he's telling us that he really needs 8 years.

            Right.....

            It's Bush's fault; I need 8, not 3 years; the private sector is doing fine....the Excuser-in-Chief can't make up his mind.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:02 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Bronco: Here you go. Just received this e-mail from a cousin. He doesn't mention how many employees he had to let go, because it makes him cry.

            "I am going through the change. I am, after all these years, 23, retiring from the futon business. It was not that I wanted to, it was that I had to. The economy closed down Supreme sleep center, Sit n Sleep, Manhattan Loft/Sun futon, and now my store has closed down. Today is my last day. I will probably close down this email address also. My alternative email address is @ yahoo.com. I thank all of my business contacts for their help and support and friendship through the years. I have seen our futon industry stall, falter and almost die so here it is. ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST."

            Wondering why he didn't come visit this summer, now I know.

             
          • kohana posted at 1:37 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rebel Rouser: http://www.starspangledbannerchallenge.com/

            Very nice, so you will help put the traitor sitting in OUR White House
            in the unemployment line?

             
          • kohana posted at 12:08 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            RR: You should have noted my hatred of Islam ideology long ago not just today. I do not hate the people, as they have been duped since early childhood. If "satanism" was taking over the world and killing people to force their ideology, would you not hate it? Satanism and Islam are the same ideology. Blood cults.

            Bronco: If I had any money I would be hording it, not creating jobs just now, because Obama plans to take any profit and give it to someone who didn't earn it, like the free cell phones. Cell phones are not a need, a life line phone for $10 a month certainly could be.
            Once Obama is out of office, you will see our economy take off like a big wind, and you'll still be wondering why in heck it didn't happen sooner.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:53 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: http://www.starspangledbannerchallenge.com/

            HTC: I don't generally like unconventional renditions of our national anthem, but I do like this one.

            That said, love of flag and love of country, absent a firm understanding of and embrace of its founding principles, is useless and potentially even dangerous.

            This country was founded upon the principle of the individual being sovereign and all power being vested in the individual and the states (See the Tenth Amendment in the Bill of Rights.) The Constitution describes a weak federal government, with FEW enumerated powers and no authority to create a nanny state and to buy votes with other people's money.

            JFK understood this when he said "Ask not what your country can do for your, but what you can do for your country."

            LBJ and the Democratic Party which succeeded JFK have completely turned that around. Sandra Fluke is the poster girl for the unpatriotic and selfish thinking which has taken over the Democratic Party and the fact that they had her speak at their convention makes clear how "front and center" that give-me mentality is within today's Democratic Party.

            If you don't understand that, your 'patriotism' is sadly misplaced and misguided. If you do get that, then help us get rid of the socialist who currently occupies the White House.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:32 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: ...then why are there more rich people now than any time throughout history but the jobless rate is the highest in decades? Your plantation attitude is unpatriotic. See: US Civil War, The South

            HTC: Well, if you start with a false premise, you'll invariably come to faulty conclusions as well.

            The number of 'rich' people in this country has actually been in decline since late 2010 and the rate of decline has been accelerating ever since:

            http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2012/06/19/report-number-of-rich-americans-fell-in-2011-but-rich-chinese-increased

            Bronco: Why aren't the rich creating jobs? Consumerism is down. You must have buyers before you can have sellers. Invest your money into something that won't sell if you doubt this.

            HTC: The 'rich' aren't creating jobs because they have no confidence in business-hostile Obama and his anti-capitalism party. Drop in consumption is also a big factor, and the $5,000 drop in median household income under Obama (versus 18% growth under Bush) did cause a big drop in consumption.

            But past recessions have always had a significant amount of business investment and hiring AHEAD of increases in actual consumption, as businesses (like the stock market) always try to plan ahead and prepare for the economic growth they anticipate is coming. We're not seeing much of that this time around because most of the business community believes the economy is toast if your guy and his party remain in power.

            I know these are difficult facts for you to swallow, given your contempt for all truth that runs contrary to your progressive imaginations; but, they are facts nonetheless.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:15 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: First of all, we’ve had 9 days of lies.…If a president of either party…had had a terrorist incident and gotten on an airplane [after remarks] and flown off to a fundraiser in Las Vegas, they would have been crucified…it should have been, should have been, the equivalent, for Barack Obama, of George Bush’s “flying over Katrina” moment. But nothing was said at all. Nothing will be said. [...] It is [unacceptable] to specifically decide that you will not tell the American people information they have a right to know. [The MSM] has made themselves the enemy of the American people. It is a threat to the very future of the country; we’ve crossed a new and frightening line on the slippery slope, and it needs to be talked about. (h/t: The Anchoress [1

            HTC: Remember how the MSM continually 'reported' Bush's reading a story to students when first informed of the planes flying into the Trade Towers?

            They are the ultimate hypocrites and traitors to their sacred function of helping to protect and defend our republic and our Constitution. Now they're doing the media equivalent of gang-rape on Romney to try defeat the only hope we have left.

            They are truly a despicable lot, but many Americans are paying attention as the liberal media has been in financial decline ever since the Bush presidency, mostly due to the loss of subscribers and viewers. Polls now show that most Americans, regardless of which candidate they support, believe that liberal bias in the media is at an all-time high. That will translate into more lost revenue and more 'reporters' losing their jobs.

            There are some folks you don't mind seeing in the unemployment line.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: Anyone with half a brain wants 'rich' people to thrive because they're the job creators
            -----------------------
            Right...then why are there more rich people now than any time throughout history but the jobless rate is the highest in decades? Your plantation attitude is unpatriotic. See: US Civil War, The South

            Why aren't the rich creating jobs? Consumerism is down. You must have buyers before you can have sellers. Invest your money into something that won't sell if you doubt this.

            Also, if there is no other way to make profit than to manufacture overseas...competition is tough. See; Made in China

            and YSAA

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 11:03 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1564

            This is good for all us.

            Turn up the speakers.


            http://www.starspangledbannerchallenge.com/

             
          • Pete posted at 11:00 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012

            The typical progressive zero-sum nonsense. If someone has something, they obviously kept someone else from getting it. Too bad they will win this propaganda battle every time, because it is always easier to appeal to someone's lower nature than to inspire them to greatness (which they all have in them). Especially when society has become un-anchored from the truth as we have.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: Your hatred runs deep and is well noted.

            HTC: Since when have you noted anything correctly? I'm still trying to find one instance in your posts.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:55 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            A headline we all knew we'd see:
            Potential voter registration fraud in Florida: GOP’s own 'ACORN' scandal?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:53 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: They told some truths inconvenient for President Barack Obama. They are now enemies of hope, enemies of change. They are a big pain in the rear for the man who "leads from the rear" by leading with his rear.

            [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:47 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: "Poll: Who would thrive depends on who wins in 2012"

            HTC: Anyone with half a brain wants 'rich' people to thrive because they're the job creators (when was the last time a poor man gave you a job?)

            It's not mere coincidence that job creation has suffered more in this recession than any other since WW II and so have the 'rich' compared to prior recessions (most have seen a drop in income and net worth.)

            But these simple and factual relationships might as well be rocket science where the typical progressive is concerned.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:45 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1564

            kohana posted at 8:51 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.
            kohana posted at 9:27 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.
            kohana posted at 9:34 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.
            And many, many, other anti Islam posts.

            What would you have Obama (Romney) do? Pull all Americans and Israeli's out of the middle east, home of the largest (notable) groups of Islamism on the planet, and NUKE them to Hell? Your hatred runs deep and is well noted.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:41 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: I cannot recall the last time I had to show my ID to cash a check.

            HTC: Really? Don't get to the big cities much?

            Regardless, you need valid ID to board an airplane, to buy a gun, to drive, buy alcohol, get something notorized, open a bank account, apply for Food Stamps, apply for Medicaid, apply for unemployment, get married, apply for welfare.

            Funny how the 'disenfranchised' and the 'poor' can always come up with ID to get handouts but seemingly can't do it to vote.

            Every state with voter ID laws will provide those IDs for free to those who can't afford them, and SCOTUS has upheld those laws as legitimately protecting the sanctity of the electoral process.

            The only reason that Democrats want to stop such laws is because they'll make voter fraud much more difficult for them.

            jennydoe: When we do see voter fraud, it is typically in the republican form, like what's this all about.....?

            HTC: Yeah, right. So the reason why the GOP wants voter ID laws is so that they can stop themselves from committing voter fraud and the reason that the Democrats fight voter ID laws is because they want the GOP to be able to continue their voter fraud?

            You're funny.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:21 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            jennydoe posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012

            You really are an unhinged loon.

            "In the inner cities a lot of people do not have photo ID's."

            Your progressive idiocy begs more questions:

            1. Except the ones that are bussed to Democrat National Conventions?

            2. So we've been handing out entitlements to these same people without having a clue who they are? Awesome. Here's your cell phone, vote Dem.

            3. It's okay to require citizens to purchase insurance, but not to check and see if these same folks are citizens to begin with? See a little problem there? Progressive circular reasoning at its best.

            "When we do see voter fraud, it is typically in the republican form."

            Lol...who do you expect to believe such nonsense? You and Al Sharpton? Have you heard of ACORN? Or the numerous other voting violations (and convictions) for voter fraud by you progressives?

            How about this? Trade the cell phone program for an ID program.

            "Articulation comes slower for some of us."

            Obviously, as this is the second time you will have voted for Barry and you still don't have a clue as to why...I think you must have been one of the folks the Howard Stern show talked to the other day.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:18 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HTC, your post of 9:48 is completely beyond jennydoe's understanding.
            The following is far more of a concern than the economy.

            Benghazi Worse than Watergate

            Posted By Roger L Simon On September 29, 2012 @ 12:08 am In Uncategorized | 70 Comments

            For over forty years now, the Watergate scandal — the June 1972 break-in at the Democratic National Committee headquarters and the subsequent cover-up by the Nixon administration — has been the sine qua non of American political malfeasance. It has been followed by myriad other “gates” affecting both parties but has never been superseded.

            Until now.

            Benghazi or Benghazigate, as some call it, is worse. Far worse. Incomparably worse.

            Watergate caught numerous public officials lying, including the president of the United States, but Benghazigate has all that and more.

            It involves the terrorist murder (not an electorally irrelevant burglary) of government officials, their reckless endangerment, the undermining of the Bill of Rights and free speech by our own administration in response to Islamist threats, and, ultimately, the complicity of that same administration, consciously or unconsciously, in the downfall of Western civilization.

            Meanwhile, the mainstream media function as their more-than-willing accomplices in this downfall, in essence as Obama’s court eunuchs.

            Sound excessive?

            Hear me out.

            But first a word from Democratic pollster Pat Caddell [1], who evidently feels the same way:

            First of all, we’ve had 9 days of lies.…If a president of either party…had had a terrorist incident and gotten on an airplane [after remarks] and flown off to a fundraiser in Las Vegas, they would have been crucified…it should have been, should have been, the equivalent, for Barack Obama, of George Bush’s “flying over Katrina” moment. But nothing was said at all. Nothing will be said. [...] It is [unacceptable] to specifically decide that you will not tell the American people information they have a right to know. [The MSM] has made themselves the enemy of the American people. It is a threat to the very future of the country; we’ve crossed a new and frightening line on the slippery slope, and it needs to be talked about. (h/t: The Anchoress [1])

            Not to mention Democratic pundit Kirsten Powers [2]:

            There are so many unanswered questions, not just about Libya, but also about Cairo. Who is it that Rice thinks “widely disseminated” this “movie?” Surely she can’t believe that the Egyptian Coptic Christian who made the video had the capacity or even desire to put it in the hands of the people who did the inciting. Also, has the administration noticed that the mob in Cairo, so spontaneously upset about the video, just happened to be carrying an Islamist flag to hoist over our embassy? On 9/11. What a massive coincidence…. They say curiosity killed the cat. In this case, lack of curiosity on the part of the American media very well may kill more Americans. (h/t: Hot Air [2])

            And so on. There’s more at both of these links. Watergate is child’s play by comparison.

            What really is going on here? Terrorism and rioting broke out all over the Muslim world on 9/11. What caused it? We thought Osama bin Laden was supposed to be dead. But apparently the assassination of bin Laden meant little. Actually, only an idiot would think otherwise.

            (“Obama, Obama, we are all Osama!” Evidently.)

            Obviously, an ideology is at play — a gigantic, uncompromising ideology — that our government refuses to confront or even recognize. And our media, with a few exceptions, barely looks at it either. Nevertheless, a direct line exists from the denial of Islamic influence in the Ft. Hood massacre (even though Major Hasan yelled “Allahu Akbar” in the process of killing or maiming forty-two of his fellow soldiers) and what occurred in Benghazi, Cairo, and elsewhere.

            Our government, more than ever under Obama, has never named our enemy, making it all the more likely that enemy will engulf us. Indeed, as has been described here at PJ Media, government directives exist to avoid imputation of Islamic or even Islamist terror motivation by the State Department, Defense Department, or the FBI.

            You could say that is appeasement. Unfortunately, I am beginning to think it is more than that. It is, on the part of some, intentional.

            We can trace that back, among other places, to Obama’s famous Cairo speech. That speech was naïve, yes, but even more it was subversive in its intentions. Obama wanted to make outreach to and common cause with an Islamic culture that is misogynistic, homophobic, and in favor of the ascendancy of religious Sharia law over state law across a globe ruled by an Islamic caliphate — in other words, against the very fabric of everything on which this country was founded, not to mention Western civilization, the Enlightenment, etc.

            Think of that, my fellow Americans. That is what Barack Obama did on our behalf — and the media lapped up unquestioningly.

            Liberals, most of all, you would think would abhor this. But they don’t. They have been brainwashed out of their ideology — that is, assuming they ever had one.

            And that, of course, is the work our media. They say Islam is a “shame culture,” but we have become one too. Our media is too ashamed to admit they made a mistake about Barack Obama, so ashamed they are willing to look the other way at every occasion.

            So what do we do if, as Pat Caddell says, channeling Ibsen, the MSM is the new “enemy of the people”? How do we respond? Well, we yell and scream as loud as we can, for one thing. That’s what I’m attempting to do now.

            In his 1978 book The Fate of Empires and the Search for Survival, Sir John Glubb describes the life cycle of empires in seven stages. Part 7 is “The age of decline and collapse.” I don’t want to think we’ve reached that point. I’m going all in — at least for a few more weeks — to try and disrupt the message.

            So say it loud and say it proud: Benghazi worse than Watergate! (Maybe our countrymen will hear us.)

            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Article printed from Roger L. Simon: http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon

            URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2012/09/29/benghazi-worse-than-watergate/

            URLs in this post:

            [1] Pat Caddell: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2012/09/28/dem-pollster-pat-caddell-msm-is-threatening-future-of-country/

            [2] Kirsten Powers: http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/28/kirsten-powers-more-americans-will-be-put-in-danger-if-the-media-doesnt-start-challenging-the-white-house-on-libya/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Even these experts aren't expert enough to meet HTC's expertise on the economy. He should inform the US government of his Right-eousness.

            HTC: I see you're still trying to substitute what you believe to be wit for fact-based, logical argument.

            What 'experts' would you be referring to?

            The CBO which recently identified $3.2T in "economic and technical changes" to their 2001-2011 predictions; which is merely Washington weasel-wording for "we screwed up?" Mr. Grier asks "What happened to the CBO's projected $5.6T in accumulated surpluses" while the obvious and correct answer is that the CBO's admitted errors erased 57% of it!

            Would your 'experts' include Peter Grier, the author of that Christian Science Monitor article who clearly misunderstood much of the research he cites? For example, he insists that "the big kahuna here is Mr. Bush’s 2001 reduction in income-tax rates", citing economics researcher Charles Blahous as validation, even though Mr. Blahous' research shows that increases in spending are the primary reason for our massive deficits and that most of that increase in spending has been under Obama.

            Or perhaps your 'expert' is the Washington Post's Glenn Kessler, a career international affairs reporter that Mr. Grier laughably cites as another 'expert' in the matter?

            While Mr. Grier references Charles Blahous' scholarly work on the subject, he apparently fails to understand it or willfully chooses to spin it otherwise. That research can be found here:

            http://www.economics21.org/commentary/how-did-federal-surpluses-become-huge-deficits

            Or you may download the PDF version from here:

            http://www.economics21.org/files/pdfs/commentary/08_20_2012_FederalSurpluses.pdf

            Mr. Blahous does a wonderful job of explaining what REALLY happened, which can be summarized thusly: very little of the deficit is due to Bush's tax cuts. Most of the discrepancy between the CBO's predictions and the actual results are due to CBO errors in their predictions and increases in spending, more than half of which has occurred under Obama during his first three years in office.

            In fact, he demonstrates quite conclusively that, had that tax relief never been enacted, we would still have the massive debt and deficits of today; conversely, he shows that had ONLY tax relief been enacted, with no increases in discretionary spending nor added new mandated spending, we'd still have large and growing surpluses, albeit a bit smaller than the original CBO prediction.

            Mr. Blahous makes quite clear that we have a SPENDING problem, not a revenue problem, and that entitlement spending accounts for the overwhelming and still fast-growing majority of that.

            Those are the facts. Whether you choose to accept them or not is up to you. Given your past record dealing with facts which contradict your progressive Pollyannaish view of the world, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for a "Wow, now I get it!' from you.

            Nor do I expect you to have any real concern for the tens of millions of your fellow Americans who've suffered deeply these past four years and whose ranks continue to grow under Obama's failed economic policies. If you truly did care for them, you'd realize that ANYONE other than Obama would have to be an improvement.

            The smart gambler, when he sees that he has a bad hand (Obama), folds and goes for the next deal (Romney.) Even DRUNKEN gamblers know that much.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 9:48 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Rob123 posted at 4:53 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            .disenfrashing
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            Did you mean: disenfranchising

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            Dunno......ask jenny, she posted that tripe.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:34 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            September 29, 2012

            Killing the Messenger, Obama's Way

            By Michael Widlanski

            What do CNN, The Wall Street Journal, Bibi Netanyahu, a Lebanese website, and Mitt Romney all have in common?

            They told some truths inconvenient for President Barack Obama. They are now enemies of hope, enemies of change. They are a big pain in the rear for the man who "leads from the rear" by leading with his rear.

            President Obama thinks critics and foes need not only to be defeated, but to be crushed and shamed in the public square.

            Obama and his team said CNN's reports on terror in Libya were "disgusting" and "indefensible," that Mitt Romney's comments on Obama's policy show that he likes to "shoot first and aim later," unlike straight-shooting, straight-talking Sheriff Obama.

            Actually, CNN, Romney, The Wall Street Journal, Netanyahu, etc. all found or revealed facts showing that the Emperor of Hope and Change is naked -- not a wise anti-terror sheriff who got Osama bin Laden, but an inept and negligent custodian of U.S. national security who prefers to play golf or campaign in Vegas.

            CNN and the Journal showed that President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton lied when they said many times that the attacks on U.S. diplomats were protests over some film, when they said they had not been warned about terror attacks, when they said they had not apologized.

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/killing_the_messenger_obamas_way.html#ixzz27sCuoGAh

             
          • kohana posted at 9:27 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            September 29, 2012

            Barack Obama: President and Protector of Islam's Prophet

            By Andrew E. Harrod

            United States President Barack Obama addressed the United Nations General Assembly this past week, on September 25, 2012. During his remarks on his country's role in international relations, Obama, in the midst of his comments otherwise within the mainstream of American discussions, proclaimed that the

            "future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam."

            This single phrase entails deeply disturbing implications for the defense of free speech critical of Islam against multiplying threats from various adherents of this faith. This statement also introduces intellectual confusion into the rest of Obama's remarks extolling individual freedom while condemning bigotry and insults. This philosophical quagmire ultimately is resolvable only through reflection upon Obama's presumed future troubling policy course.

            Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/09/barack_obama_president_and_protector_of_islams_prophet.html#ixzz27sAX6aZt

             
          • kohana posted at 8:51 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/27/obama-to-jihadists-be-nicer

            Obama to Jihadists: Be Nicer

            By George Neumayr on 9.27.12

            He appeared on The View and at the UN to offer sermonettes on civility.

            In the first few decades of the country's history, presidential candidates didn't even campaign, seeing the act of shilling for votes as inherently undignified. Surrogates would campaign on their behalf. Now presidential candidates not only campaign but seek out the stupidest shows to retail their demagoguery. "It is dying but it laughs," the Romans said of their disintegrating empire. Obama's America is dying too as it laughs with Whoopi, Joy, and Dave.

            Low comics have become presidential vetters and late-night talk shows have become places of refuge after a terrorist attack. Between the back-slapping and guffaws, Letterman asked Obama if "an act of war" had occurred. Obama deflected the question, launching into a sermonette on how the Islamic world needs a slight attitude adjustment. Try to be nicer in the future, was the sermonette's essential message.

            This week he kept up the patter on The View and at the UN. It is a toss-up as to which forum was more fatuous. His UN speech was hailed as a robust defense of free speech. Never mind that his administration tried to suppress the "Innocence of Muslims" video and sent police to the filmmaker's home on "unrelated" charges, hauling him off so that it could blast pictures of his arrest to North Africa and the Middle East.

            "The strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech -- the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect," said Obama, who is on record supporting "hate-crime" legislation that would ban politically incorrect speech in the public square.

            The real reason Obama doesn't suppress free speech is that he can't get away with it. At least not yet. As he wistfully noted in his speech, "at a time when anyone with a cellphone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button," government regulation of free speech is simply impractical.

            But such musings didn't stop him from contacting YouTube to take the video down. He remains convinced that the source of Islamic terrorism is not centuries-old jihadist theology but Western provocation, and that if he just delivers a few more kindergarten-level instructions on anger management -- "there is no excuse for violence" and so on -- the problem will disappear.

            Desperate to keep his "Bin Laden is dead" boast intact, he can't even bring himself to use the word "terrorism." To the ladies of The View, he only allowed that the Libyan debacle wasn't just a "mob action" and that "threats" still exist.

            He emphasized that the terrorists represent only a minor "strain" in Islam. This is a lie, and not even a particularly flattering or useful one, as it invites the question: Is the U.S. really so weak that a tiny fringe can kill its diplomats and storm its embassies? For some reason Obama thinks the humiliation is lessened by arguing that the culprit was not a giant but a pipsqueak.

            And he seems to think that this little band of jihadists will lay down their arms now they have seen his "disgust" on The View and heard his respect for "the Prophet" at the UN.

            Notice that both Hillary Clinton and Obama have taken to referring to themselves as "believers," of what it is not clear, apparently thinking that that somehow improves their credibility in the eyes of jihadists, as if to say to them: We are not just rotten secularists, so listen up when we tell you that violence is no answer to blasphemy.
            Jihadists torching the American flag on embassies and replacing it with the black flag of radical Islam don't appear to be in the mood for such lectures. But Obama kept trying at the UN, encouraging members to model their behavior after his measured response to "awful" insults, adding as a curious aside that "Like me, the majority of Americans are Christian, and yet we do not ban blasphemy against our most sacred beliefs."

            Which sacred beliefs would those be? On multiple occasions, Obama has criticized the Bible, referred to Jesus Christ as "a" son of God (not the Son of God), dismissed St. Paul as "obscure," and called Abraham a nut on whom he would have called Child Services. Moreover, most of the anti-religious blasphemy comes from Obama's Hollywood pals, such as Da Vinci Codestar Tom Hanks, who considers opponents of gay marriage "un-American."

            It is an election year, so Obama has to fake up a certain level of piety. On his campaign website, he now calls himself a "committed Christian" and has rolled out a four-minute ad on his outreach to "people of faith." But the key religion on his mind is Islam, whose adherents don't typically watch The View or take civility lessons from the UN.


             
          • kohana posted at 8:42 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Some of you who post here are just too incredible for words. I can’t even think of words with which to describe your thought processes, pettiness, and ignorance. All of what is happening in the world seems to be going over your heads, and Obama seems not to have anymore of a clue than you do. The lack of understanding the ramifications of what will happen to our country if Obama isn’t removed from the WH is pathetic. The man is totally incompetent, and you’ve all not only been told but have been given verifications of such.

            And jennydoe, Ann’s concern for her husband appears to be beyond your understand as well. Romney actually takes his responsibilities seriously. He spent 20 years as a Bishop of his church and president of his Stake. Now he is ready to take on the responsibility of our Country. He won’t be playing golf; he will be trying to undo the mess Obama has left. The mental burden of trying to make the right decisions, for the good of our country can be overwhelming. Ann isn’t concerned that he might go crazy and taking a cheap shot at her concerns is pretty shallow of you.

            Oh, about the photo I.D., try getting on an airplane without one, or opening a bank account, or all kinds of things, please use that portion of your brain for logical reasoning.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2012/09/29/poll-obama-romney-gallup/1601125/

            "Poll: Who would thrive depends on who wins in 2012"

            8:19AM EST September 29. 2012 - WASHINGTON -- Exactly who would be better off over the next four years under a President Obama or a President Romney?

            In a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, Americans express definite perceptions about what groups would thrive under which administration, providing a portrait of how each contender has been defined in the public's view. That question and others in the survey map the political landscape as the campaign heads into its final five weeks.

            It is an electorate that is less engaged, less enthusiastic and less favorably inclined toward the candidates than at this point in recent presidential campaigns. It is also an electorate that confidently predicts the groups that will be winners and losers, depending on who prevails on Nov. 6.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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            HTC, I cannot recall the last time I had to show my ID to cash a check. In the inner cities a lot of people do not have photo ID's. Student ID's won't work in some places, yet their gun registration card will work. I don't believe we have an IQ standard yet for voting and all citizens of a certain age are allowed and encouraged (D) disencouraged (R) to vote. Therefore we have disenfrashed voters.......When we do see voter fraud, it is typically in the republican form, like what's this all about.....?

            "Romney And GOP Paying Millions To Firms Tied To Voter Fraud Allegation Scandals"

            http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/romney-and-gop-paying-millions-to-firms-tied-to-voter-fraud-allegation-scandals/politics/2012/09/27/49837

            As for fifth grade politics and Ann Rmoney. Who knows the mittens better than the mrs.?
            If she is concerned for his mental stability shouldn't we all be?

            I am still working on my dissertation on President Obama and why I will vote for him over Mitt, please add patience to the list of your virtues. Articulation comes slower for some of us.

            Wednesday night's debate ought to be quite interesting.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:53 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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          • JBSTONE posted at 1:11 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 6:30 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            .................disenfrashing


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          • Bronco posted at 11:58 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            Sorry JB. Forgot your limitations.

            http://tinyurl.com/9p478uz

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:56 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0928/Where-did-the-mammoth-US-budget-deficits-come-from?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+feeds%2Fusa+%28Christian+Science+Monitor+%7C+USA%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo
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            Even these experts aren't expert enough to meet HTC's expertise on the economy. He should inform the US government of his Right-eousness.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:58 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: That has got to be some of the best fodder the republicans have come up with so far.

            HTC: Actually, the best 'fodder' by far is Obama's own miserable track record on the economy which apparently doesn't concern you in the slightest, even though it's severely harmed tens of millions of your fellow Americans.

            42% more Americans are getting means-tested assistance than was the case when Obama became president. While median household income grew by 18% under Bush, we've lost half that gain under Obama. Nearly half-a-million fewer Americans have jobs today than was the case when Obama was sworn into office. Gasoline now costs 106% more than it did in January of 2009 and four Americans are giving up looking for work for every American that finally finds a job.

            Obama's only 'plan' is more of the same failed policies with one exception: more taxes on the 'rich' and business which economists agree would be disastrous for the economy.

            I guess I just have more real compassion for my fellow citizens than you do.

            jennydoe: The video of an Obama supporter bragging about having an “Obama phone” has gone viral on the web, but where do these “free cell phones” come from?

            HTC: That's not the point. The video served to illustrate the type of person who represents a big chunk of Obama's base: the handout-seeker. Whether it's this woman who likes Obama because she thinks Obama gave that phone to her (and who thinks "Romney sucks" because he won't give her free stuff), or its a Sandra Fluke who wants everyone else to pay for her contraceptives, they represent a big part of the Democratic base and they're disgusting.

            jennydoe: With all the voter id laws disenfrashing the democratic party if might all work out.

            HTC: What a giant load of hooey. Canada has long had voter ID laws and you don't see people being excluded from their political process. Many, many other nations have long required it as well.

            You need ID to cash a check. Why shouldn't an ID be required when you elect the people who'll have control over the $16T national checkbook?

            If getting and providing an ID is too burdensome to a would-be voter, there's little chance they spent the effort to be an informed voter either, and we have enough idiots voting already. Obama's election in 2008 proved that conclusively.

            jennydoe: me too, Ann, me too.

            HTC: Just can't rise above the fifth-grade level politics, can you? What a sad creature you are.

            All I hear from you is criticism of Romney and most of it is entirely baseless and crass. I have yet to see you cogently describe your support for Obama and why you think he'll turn the economy around when he's totally failed to do so in the past four years.

            Yet, you consider yourself a thinking, rational adult.

            Incredible!

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:37 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            (Reuters) - Ann Romney told a Nevada television station her biggest concern if her husband, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, becomes president was his "mental well-being."
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            me too, Ann, me too.

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/29/us-usa-campaign-annromney-idUSBRE88S00820120929

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:30 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            kohana posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.
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            With all the voter id laws disenfrashing the democratic party if might all work out.
            I think it is kinda hard these days to find anyone that wants to join the republican party.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:21 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: he certainly can't run on his record which has left us with half-a-million FEWER jobs than when he took office and still shedding jobs faster than we're creating them;
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            When it comes to economic data, as with much else in life, the media tends to overweight the new relative to the true. So each monthly jobs report is scrutinized, but later revisions tend to get ignored. Yet today the Burea of Labor Statistics did a rebenchmarking and found 386,000 new jobs.

            As you'd expect, that doesn't utterly transform our understanding of the economy. The job market is still weak, all things considered. But it's not as weak as the data we've been seeing imply. And that can help us explain things like "why has the unemployment rate been falling despite weak payroll growth?" or even "how can Mitt Romney be losing with the economy doing so poorly?" The payroll growth maybe wasn't quite as weak as we thought, and the economy overall was perhaps doing a bit better.

            And these are just revisions through March. We won't have the real data story of what was going on this fall and summer until long after the election is done, and by then probably it'll just get ignored.

            Note that the benchmarking added a net of 386,000 jobs. In gross terms it actually subtracted 67,000 government jobs so the rebalancing of the American economy away from government employment and toward the private sector has actually gone somewhat further than we realized. Note that this also means that the Obama Era has crossed the symbolically important zero line. More Americans are employed today than were when he took office.

            http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2012/09/27/bls_benchmark_revisions_government_finds_386_000_new_jobs_.html


             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: An Obamaton touts her free Obama Phone
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            That has got to be some of the best fodder the republicans have come up with so far.
            Amazing that in 1984 Barry Soetoro passed the LifeLine Act so Barack Obama could capitalize//socialize
            with it today........

            The video of an Obama supporter bragging about having an “Obama phone” has gone viral on the web, but where do these “free cell phones” come from?

            The program is called Lifeline, established in 1984, originally created to subsidize landline phone service for low income Americans, funded by government-collected telecommunication fees, paid by consumers.

            In 2008, the program was expanded to support cell phones which quickly escalated the cost of the program. In 2008 the program cost $772 million, but by 2011 it cost $1.6 billion.

            A 2011 audit found that 269,000 wireless Lifeline subscribers were receiving free phones and monthly service from two or more carriers. Several websites have been created to promote “free” government cell phones, including the”The Obama Cell Phone” website at Obamaphone.net.

            Rep. Tim Griffin R-Ark. has proposed a bill to eliminate federal subsidies for free cell phones and has produced a great YouTube video highlighting the runaway cost of the program. The program has also been highlighted for reform by Senator Claire McCaskill D-Mo.

            Pressure to reform the program led the FCC to announce an effort in February to “reduce the potential for fraud while cutting red tape for consumers and providers” by the end of 2013
            http://washingtonexaminer.com/where-do-obama-phones-come-from/article/2509203

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:59 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            An Obamaton touts her free Obama Phone:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio

            Info:

            http://obamaphone.net/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:43 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            An intelligence source on the ground in Libya has confirmed that the consulate in Benghazi did NOT meet State Department physical security standards nor was a threat assessment conducted before the ambassador and his team were taken to it, even though D.C. was aware of terrorist activity in that area.

            He describes the situation as a "total failure" in security measures:

            http://tinyurl.com/9bdxm2c

            But I'm sure Obamatons will manage to excuse this, too, one way or another.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:20 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            An old curmudgeon cousin called me last night. He lives in NC, and because he is a conservative, I dared to discuss politics with him. And bless his heart, the old boy declared when I encouraged him to get his little "old boy" self and his friends to the polls, “I ain’t gonna vote again this time, just like I didn’t the last time.” He insisted that the polls are “rigged” and he wasn’t going to participate.

            And I pleaded with him, “we need your help in getting Obama out of OUR White House.”

            “Well, you didn’t need my help in putting him in there, so don’t need my help in getting him out.”

            I pointed out that he did help put Obama in the WH by not voting for McCain if he was so against Obama. My cousin doesn’t agree. He stated that in the final count in 2008, there were more votes than registered voters in NC. He insisted the same thing will happen again.

            Obama’s minions have succeeded in getting over 200,000 new registered Democrats in NC this past year or so, with more than double the Hispanics from about 44,000 to over 90,000.

            Does the Republican Party have anyone out knocking on doors with voter registrations forms in NC, or any of the swing states?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:20 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Obama seems to have bet his reelection bid on a simple three-point argument:

            (1) HE killed bin Laden, and by doing so, has defeated al Qaeda and our terrorist enemies.

            (2) GM is alive and, therefore, HE saved the auto industry; or, as Biden famously put it: "bin Laden is dead and GM is alive."

            (3) Just in case no one buys #1 and #2, Romney is a scoundrel and unfit for office.

            As to the first point, intelligence experts have been warning us throughout most of the Obama presidency that we were focusing too much attention on getting bin Laden and not enough on the resurgence of al Qaeda elsewhere, as well as the emergence of new terrorist organizations which were rising to fill the void.

            The latest unrest in the Middle East caught him unprepared as a result (maybe it wouldn't have, if he hadn't missed half of his intelligence briefings while playing golf or appearing on The View). The attack on our consulate in Benghazi was known by intelligence officials to have been a coordinated terrorist attack within 24 hours of the killing of our ambassador; yet, a week later and in stark contradiction to the acknowledgment of such by the rest of his administration, Obama was on TV still claiming it was a "spontaneous" act by people outraged over insults to their prophet.

            But what else could Obama do? It's obvious that he hasn't won the war on terrorism and that things are unraveling fast in the Middle East, with Iran now MUCH closer to having the bomb and al Qaeda now having liberated some of their buddies from a prison in Iraq, killing 10 guards in the process.

            So much for #1.

            That leaves us next with "GM is alive!" Really? 83% of GM's profit for the first half of this year came from interest on high-risk auto loans to poor credit risks which Obama's Auto Czar wanted them to make (can you smell an auto bubble in the making, much like their housing bubble which blew up in 2008?) GM's Volt, which Obama (as the unofficial CEO of GM) keeps insisting that they make, costs them $49K more to make than they sell for. Obama's outrageous GM bankruptcy proceedings put tens of thousands of auto industry employees out of work, stole the pensions from many of them, robbed the secured creditors of assets that he gave to the unions and left GM with massive unfunded pension liabilities which should have been discharged.

            GM is merely marking time until they'll be right back in bankruptcy court.

            So, that leaves us with the "Romney is a scoundrel" argument; effectively, all he has left to work with since he certainly can't run on his record which has left us with half-a-million FEWER jobs than when he took office and still shedding jobs faster than we're creating them; which has left the average middle class household with $5,000 LESS income; which has imposed the largest middle class tax increase in the form of ObamaCare; with the cost of a fillup now twice what it used to be; and, no plan other than "tax the rich" which economists agree would send us into a second, deeper recession, if not an outright depression.

            Expect the attacks on Romney to be more desperate and despicable because that's all they've got left and they long ago proved that they have absolutely no respect for the truth or the intelligence of the American electorate.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:53 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012

            I guess you didn't notice that I left your handle out of the list in my prior post. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you might actually rise up to the occasion.

            My mistake.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:31 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HTC: "A few days ago I issued this challenge: Describe Obama's economic policies and explain why they will supposedly work while the historically-proven policies advocated by Romney and Ryan will not."

            Now! Now! I am sure there are people out there who love a good dose of insult and who are just biting at the bit to add their 2 cents......be patient, little rascal. Don't come unglued.......Karl Rove is on the other-side of the country explaining the errors in the polls, and is way to busy to come and put you back together again.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:28 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            The U.N. begins its drive to redistribute U.S. and European wealth to the rest of the planet. Little wonder why Comrade Obama loves this organization so much:

            http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/09/27/as-un-opens-its-general-assembly-session-it-is-already-thinking-up-new-global/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:13 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Are there ANY rational, THINKING adults on the LEFT side of this room?

            A few days ago I issued this challenge: Describe Obama's economic policies and explain why they will supposedly work while the historically-proven policies advocated by Romney and Ryan will not.

            All I've seen so far in response are attacks on Romney himself, NOT his message. While that may suffice in the fifth-grade level world of the progressive, it falls far short in the real adult world.

            How about it? Can you do it?

            Bronco? Jennydoe? Rebel Rouser? SorrySOB? IABD? Any of you?

            Can you argue ideas instead of people?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:43 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            If you want to be hip in Japan, you have to be a "bagel head":

            http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/09/28/is-becoming-bagel-head-dangerous/?intcmp=features

            I guess this is what eventually happens as a society drifts further to the left.

            Maybe it'll catch on here with the Obamatons: "Whoa, dude! Is that, like, an Obama "O" on your forehead? Where'd you get it, man."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:38 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            Well, liberal Mother Jones' rag has now released yet another edited Romney video, this one from 30 years ago (after they dismissed the significance of the video showing Obama's support for redistribution of wealth, a video which is only one-third as 'old', on the grounds that it was 'ancient') and which now attempts to make the word "harvest" a four letter word.

            Really.

            At least they're not lying (yet), by trying to claim that this, too, is unedited after experts proved them liars on their previously released "47%" video.

            The supposedly offensive word "harvest" is found within this sentence spoken by a very young Romney: "Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit."

            All Romney did was describe how venture capital businesses work: They invest money in new or struggling businesses, hopefully making them very profitable after a number of years, then they sell the business and divide the profits amongst their investors; but, according to Mother Jones, the very concept of venture capitalism is a dirty thing, as apparently is profit (So what do you call your 'surplus' monies, Mother?).

            What word would the Mother prefer? "Extract?" "Withdraw?" "Siphon?" Inquiring minds surely want to know.

            I mean, really, can one get any more ridiculous than this in a desperate attempt to denigrate a candidate that they don't dare to confront on the actual issues?

            And where were these vermin in 2008 when NONE of them did even the slightest vetting of candidate Obama? At least we know what they've been up to these past four years: running interference for president Obama, keeping every negative thing about him out of the press as best they could.

            Apparently, his being a fellow Marxist is all that matters to them. He//, they probably would even provide cover for a President Stalin.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:01 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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            HTC: Please explain to me how you frame the question "Who are you planning to vote for" within a social context.
            Sheesh!

            If you weren't so insanely busy in you're state of semi-retirement, you would answer all the questions and let them turn you into points of light on a graph......assuming the graph has points out in Right field past the Foul Line.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:38 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            A new poll shows that 79% of Americans think that EVERYONE should pay some income taxes; even 71% of Democrats think so.

            No wonder Obama didn't get the big bump many hoped he would from the obscenely fallacious coordinated attacks on Romney by the press and the Obama campaign over his "47%" comments.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/27/fox-news-poll-7-percent-say-all-americans-should-pay-income-taxes/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:16 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            mooseberryinn posted at 1:34 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012

            Unfortunately, you're addressing the irrational and ignorant as though they were informed, reasonable adults.

            I've yet to see ANY one of them respond in a rational manner to fact-based, reasoned argument; he//, they can't even verbalize their guy's economic policies nor tell us why they'd work whereas Romney's wouldn't.

            All they're good for is mocking their opposition via 5th-grade level humor and ridicule while ignoring their guy's flaming gaffes and obvious ignorance. When they're not doing that, they're high-fiving their collective ignorance.

            And they wonder why we don't respect them. Go figure.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 2:25 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            Bumper stickers in Idaho - ANYBODY BUT OBAMA! I got a great idea - how about Pelosi for President? Can you imagine the laughter and comedy in that?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 1:34 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            Choices - Do you want obama and/or his regime flunkies making health care decisions for you? It's there in the law. Do you want his regime deciding the price of gas? His "czar" thinks it should be several dollars higher. Do you want the regime to decide if your infant son/daughter or Mom/Dad survive? See "czar's" input on "productive life cycle". It's all there (or was) might have been disappeared by the regime media. Comrade/King Obama has a good speech writer and uses a teleprompter well. He understands how to control people well (much like the USSR or GDR). Put it this way - obama and his regime are one stinking, steaming pile of gov't ineptitude, intrusion, and crap.
            I will vote for Romney/Ryan.

             
          • Claus posted at 1:07 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            Claus Posts: 401

            An interesting follow-on to Frank's column:

            http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2012/09/26/walking-back-the-skein/#comments

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:38 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: samuel l jackson weighs in....

            HTC: How fitting. You get your 'news' from comedians and your political and economic advice in the form of nursery rhymes voiced by a guy who plays comic book characters.

            Your intellect is truly amazing!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:31 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012

            Since you and Bronco couldn't rise to my challenge, I've come back down to your level so that we can continue to 'communicate.'

            If it's a fifth-grade level conversation you want, that's what you'll get.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Bronco posted at 4:37 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            spoilsport[cool]

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:28 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            samuel l jackson weighs in:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzkC03SFfpc&feature=youtu.be

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC yesterday: My point has long been that we should be discussing policy, NOT personal gaffes, etc., which are mere distractions.

            HTC today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hZpJp7U3Y

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:09 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: Our Republican candidate (mooseberryinn's choice)....

            HTC: Our Democratic candidate (Bronco's choice):

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hZpJp7U3Y

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4-AKcH3eC8

            There's one convenience which can be attributed to Obama's reelection bid and that is that he's made it easy to spot the idiots amongst one's family members and friends. If they're still going to vote for Obama after these past four years, they truly are mental defectives and absolutely hopeless.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:43 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: As you dam well know, among independents their preference totally relies on the question and how it is framed. If the question is economic and framed within a Libertarian framework with an implied eye on the deficit, Romney is ahead. If the question is framed with the context of Social Issues and War, Obama is ahead.

            HTC: Please explain to me how you frame the question "Who are you planning to vote for" within a social context.

            Sheesh!

            Rob123: Just because you are feeling uneasy about the November Election, don't fudge your lab work in order to turn out a dissertation that will get the attention of the faculty and a big slap on the back by those you hold in high esteem. Keep the old Scientific Spirit alive, and lift your knuckles off the ground. The dust is killing my sinuses.

            HTC: That's pretty funny coming from a guy whose only understanding of 'science' is fenced in by the oxymoronic word "political' preceding it.

            And i'm not feeling uneasy about the November election and here's why: We're already doomed and I'm already prepared for it. No matter who wins, NO ONE is going to make the draconian cuts to the entitlement state that are needed to save the economy from the certain destruction that 200 TRILLION DOLLARS in unfunded entitlement liabilities represent. It isn't going to happen because the ignorant, selfish, greedy entitlement-sucking public won't allow it to happen and there's too many people like you and Bronco who claim you worry about the debt but vote as though it doesn't exist.

            In the end, there's only one significant difference between Romney and Obama; and that is, Romney will likely help bring about a brief "economic spring" before the crash, which will buy those folks a bit more time who see but aren't fully prepared for the coming crash.

            Obama, on the other hand, will lead the race to the bottom and beat the economy like a rented mule.

            I will vote for buying my friends and family some extra time, but I harbor no illusions about avoiding the coming depression altogether.

            A part of me, however, would like for Obama to win reelection and for Congress to go to the Democrats. Why? Because their policies will guarantee that crash occurs within the next four years, making clear how economically incompetent/treasonous they really are.

            Or would it?

            After all, the idiots back in the Great Depression kept voting for FDR even though his policies guaranteed the misery would last until after WW II. I have little cause to believe the electorate has increased its collective IQ since then. Indeed, men wiser than me noted long ago that this republic would be lost as soon as people learned that they could loot the public treasury provided fhat they voted for the scumbag party which promised it to them.

            That's one reason why only a part of me leans that way.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: What a joke.

            HTC: The real joke here is the guy currently in the White House. The fact that you can't see that makes you a joker, too.

             
          • Claus posted at 7:36 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            Claus Posts: 401

            Concerning the recent Mideast unpleasantness:

            First this Administration, with the complicity of the media, tried to scapegoat a private citizen for their own terrible incompetence and the murderous tactics of the Islamists. The video story was never believable to anyone that can think past the sandwich menu at Subway.

            So now they’re playing for time, hoping the speed of the news cycle will get them by this until after the election.Does anyone remember Watergate? I recall that the story of the burglary broke just before I deployed to Korea, and I remember thinking Nixon’s sunk now! Then crickets, until it slowly played out, bit by bit, long after the election. I think the Obama Administration is hoping for a similar scenario —minus the media and public interest later.

            We have a fiat government at this point, that rules be deceit and fraud. Look at the vote at the Democrat Convention on God and Jerusalem, and tell me the that is not a criminal organization, having as little to do with democracy as the DPRK Central Committee.

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:59 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Our Republican candidate (mooseberryinn's choice):

            http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-september-25-2012/democalypse-2012---every-which-way-but-lucid?xrs=synd_facebook

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:59 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            This morning's "Bill Bennett's Morning in America". Goes through Comrade obama's Record of "achievements", his "exec. Orders", His campaign promises (in obama's own words) and what he actually did. Excellent factual article, to be on the internet today. Clearly, we do NOT want Comrade Obama to be reelected.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:43 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HTC: "Furthermore, polls of independents who are going to decide this show Romney AHEAD with them."

            As you dam well know, among independents their preference totally relies on the question and how it is framed. If the question is economic and framed within a Libertarian framework with an implied eye on the deficit, Romney is ahead. If the question is framed with the context of Social Issues and War, Obama is ahead.
            Just because you are feeling uneasy about the November Election, don't fudge your lab work in order to turn out a dissertation that will get the attention of the faculty and a big slap on the back by those you hold in high esteem. Keep the old Scientific Spirit alive, and lift your knuckles off the ground. The dust is killing my sinuses.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:54 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Bronco: And let me add that the Right side of the room always steps it up a few notches when desperation sets in. Every time.
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            HighTechCowboy posted at 4:52 pm
            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:04 pm
            With Obama gaining more and more of an edge in the polls, Romney tried to appeal to voters, telling them he cares about all Americans.---CSM
            "There are so many people in our country who are hurting right now. I want to help them. I know what it takes," Romney told the crowd in Westerville. "I care about the people of America, and the difference between me and Barack Obama is I know what to do."
            In comments made last May but only recently revealed Romney said "47 percent of the people" pay no federal income tax, will vote for Obama no matter what, see themselves as victims, think the government must care for them and do not "take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
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            What a joke.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:04 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Ohio: Romney 43%.......Obama 53%

            HTC: B.S. I've looked at those polls and they're assuming 3X the additional black, Hispanic and youth turnout (versus the historic norm) as Obama got in 2008. 2008 was a big outlier compared to prior presidential elections because a lot of people bought into Obama's hopey/changey crap; however, polls of each of these demographic groups on an individual basis show that Obama has lost support in each of them when compared to how they polled in 2008.

            Furthermore, polls of independents who are going to decide this show Romney AHEAD with them.

            Those numbers you've reported are simply a delusional liberal wet-dream.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:36 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/09/26/jimmy-hoffa-search-roseville-michigan/7000

            "Mich. cops to look under driveway for Jimmy Hoffa".

            Ohio: Romney 43%.......Obama 53%

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:52 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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            Bronco: And let me add that the Right side of the room always steps it up a few notches when desperation sets in. Every time.

            HTC: Oh, you mean like Paul Krugman did? Oh, wait, he's a far leftie charlatan 'economist' turned columnist.

            And we don't need stories about Harry Reid to know that he's a fraud and a hypocrite.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:48 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Paul Krugman and other Libs Fooled by Obvious Satire Piece:

            Pundits punk'd by satirical claims Ryan dissed Romney
            September 26, 2012

            Memo to the media: Clearly mark political satire, especially if it makes Republicans look bad. Otherwise, you might fool a Nobel prize-winning New York Times columnist.

            Columnist Paul Krugman and other commentators were apparently duped Wednesday after Politico ran a satire piece that included what -- if true -- would have been an inflammatory comment by Republican running mate Paul Ryan.

            Politico took its inspiration from a quote, attributed to a GOP operative, that actually ran in The New York Times. The operative reportedly said that if Ryan ever runs for national office again, “he’ll probably have to wash the stench of Romney off of him.”

            The Politico piece then blended that into satire – fantasy for some – with reporter Roger Simon writing that Ryan had taken to calling his running mate “Stench.” In fact, Ryan was so embarrassed to be part of Mitt Romney’s “floundering” campaign, Simon wrote, that he was openly sneering at the man on top of his ticket.

            “If Stench calls, take a message,” Ryan supposedly had been telling aides. “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later,” Simon quoted Ryan as saying.

            Krugman, a blogger for MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow and a host of other liberal pundits fell for Simon's satire -- apparently finding the quote too good to not be true.

            “Can I say that even though I’m not exactly a fan of Mitt Romney’s, this is just bad behavior?” wrote Krugman on his Times blog “The Conscience of a Liberal.” “You’re supposed to wait until it’s actually over before you do this kind of thing.”

            Liberal talk radio host Taylor Marsh was giddy.

            “Ryan is trying to save himself so he can live to run another day,” she wrote on her website. “Roger Simon’s piece has spread like wildfire and is causing a gigantic ripple.”

            Hours later, word got around that Simon had made it all up. Even the part about how Romney had taken to calling Ryan “Gilligan.” Some of the folks who got fooled groused about it being too subtle or not particularly funny.

            "OK, the word is that this was really clumsy satire," Krugman wrote in a late entry to his blog.

            Simon did include a note at the end of the column that explained his point -- even as he put himself in a league with some slightly better satirists:

            [Author’s note: Jonathan Swift did not really want Irish people to sell their children for food in 1729; George Orwell did not really want the clocks to strike thirteen in 1984; Paul Ryan, I am sure, calls Mitt Romney something more dignified than “Stench” and Microsoft did not invent PowerPoint as a means to euthanize cattle. At least I am pretty sure Microsoft didn’t.]

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/26/pundits-punkd-by-satirical-claims-ryan-dissed-romney/print#ixzz27cQKw0uk

             
          • Bronco posted at 4:37 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://www.snopes.com/politics/humor/horsethief.asp

            And let me add that the Right side of the room always steps it up a few notches when desperation sets in. Every time.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: I haven't the proper equipment.

            HTC: That hasn't kept you from voting.

            jennydoe: To be fair, I've sure heard him read some pretty big words from his teleprompter.

            HTC: Yeah, but he doesn't know what they mean.

            jennydoe: Can you explain to me what's wrong with this Gallup poll that shows Obama at 50% and Rmoney at 44%, since my intellectual level is soooooo loooooww.?

            HTC: Certainly. That poll was taken amongst registered voters. The only polls which matter are those amongst "likely" voters. The trick is determining accurately who those are and in the actual demographic representation that turns out on election day. Most of the pollsters are using the 2008 turnout as their model and its going to be much different this time around, as every honest statistician knows.

            Rasmussen was the most accurate in 2008. His daily tracking poll shows it a dead heat:

            http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 3:43 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:35 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.


            ..........I'm just left wondering who fastens their velcro for them in the morning..........???

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:35 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Pete: Barry has a nasty habit of sticking his Axelrod to folks who deign to tug at his cape. [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:33 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Rmoney had to remind his crowd yesterday that he was the top of the ticket...... Really.

            HTC: Really, jennydoe, you've got to stop getting your 'news' from crappola liberal blog sites and comedians. Romney did not have to "remind his crowd yesterday that he was at the top of the ticket"; he was merely pointing out to them that he and Ryan disagree on some things and that where that occurs, as it will with any ticket, the one whose view counts the most is the one who's at the top of the ticket.

            Your side is either phenomenally intellectually dishonest or you simply failed English grammar. Either way, the picture's not a pretty one.

             
          • Pete posted at 12:28 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Jenny...Why Jenny! Is that sarcasm or your normal banality? I was just giving Frank a friendly warning - Barry has a nasty habit of sticking his Axelrod to folks who deign to tug at his cape.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:52 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.
            "Perhaps you can help her with that? "

            If I knew, I would. However, as an undecided Independent, I am waiting for the heat of the battle during the upcoming debates, in order to see who wants to buy my vote the most. Then I will probably vote for the other one. "Can't buy me !".[tongue]

             
          • jennydoe posted at 11:49 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Why would you imply that Frank's taxes aren't in order Pete?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 11:48 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: Gee, jennydoe, do you really want to get into a piSSing contest over which candidate is more ignorant
            ------------------
            I haven't the proper equipment.
            -----
            I am not defending Obama by pointing out the short-comings of Mittens.

            you: Maybe he's still at the "See Spot run" phase in his reading development; after all, he must be hiding his transcripts for a very good reason.
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            To be fair, I've sure heard him read some pretty big words from his teleprompter.

            jennydoe: So is the fact that Rmoney thinks corporations are people, but doesn't feel the same way about teachers.

            HTC: If B.S. were music, you'd be a frickin' symphony!
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            http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57520009-503544/romney-teacher-contributions-to-politicians-should-be-limited/

            **************

            Can you explain to me what's wrong with this Gallup poll that shows Obama at 50% and Rmoney at 44%, since my intellectual level is soooooo loooooww.?

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/150743/Obama-Romney.aspx

             
          • jennydoe posted at 11:32 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            kohana, there are a lot of things I don't like about our government, religion, and the paranoia that runs deep with a great deal of people on the right spectrum of life. I am secure with my own noodley gGod. I refuse to let the circumstances of the world to make me an angry, vile person. I don't believe in murder, etc. Nor do I believe in what Mittens Rmoney has stashed in his Magic Underwear. I think rob's post early yesterday has quite a bit of validly. .... In 1960 5% of parents dis-approved of their children marrying outside of their political party...In 2010 40% (50r 30d) dis-approved. As WorldNetDaily post its' exclusive: Obama eligibility odds: 1 in 62.5 quintillion........Rmoney had to remind his crowd yesterday that he was the top of the ticket......
            Really. And Gary Johnson doesn't stand a chance. what's a girl to do?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:30 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            The lamestream media has been working overtime to keep this story out of the sight of the American people; after all, this attack happened because of Obama's cheap re-election bid to curry favor with the electorate by pulling our "surge" forces out of Afghanistan too early and over the objections of commanders there. Now an entire Marine Air Attack Squadron is out of commission after attackers destroyed three-fourths of their aircraft and killed two Marines. They'll likely not be combat ready for at least two years now. You lefties who continually protest the loss of even one soldier's life must be fit to be tied over this. Can we now count on your vote for Romney or is such loss of life acceptable as long as it's your guy who's responsible and it helps get him reelected?

            Marines experience their worst air disaster in nearly half a century
            By John Keller
            Military & Aerospace Electronics Magazine

            You may not have heard it like this, but earlier this month one of the worst U.S military air disasters in nearly half a century happened during a terrorist attack on the airfield at Camp Bastion in Southern Afghanistan.

            U.S. Marine Corps Attack Squadron 211 (VMA-211), based at Yuma Marine Corps Base, Ariz., not only had two Marines killed, but also had six late-model AV-8B II Harrier jump jets destroyed, and another two of the aircraft damaged likely beyond repair.

            That's eight sophisticated combat aircraft out of commission. A Marine attack squadron normally has a complement of about 12 aircraft, which means VMA-211 effectively is out of business. The attack has been called the worst Marine Corps aviation disaster since the Vietnam Tet Offensive in 1968.

            This squadron has a storied history, and it's unclear what will be the ultimate resolution of this situation. The AV-8B -- designed by Boeing predecessor McDonnell Douglas -- hasn't been manufactured in years, so replacing those aircraft is probably out of the question.

            It's possible the squadron eventually could refit with F/A-18 Hornet strike fighters, or perhaps even with the new F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighters, but whatever happens, it probably won't happen quickly.

            For a squadron to switch aircraft is not a trivial process. Pilots must be retrained, ground crewmen must requalify on new aircraft, logistics, support, and maintenance must be retooled. Suffice it to say, this squadron as an independent unit effectively will be grounded for quite some time.

            VMA-211 is nicknamed the Wake Island Avengers. It's a name its members take to heart.

            On 8 Dec. 1941 -- one day after Pearl Harbor -- the Japanese attacked U.S. forces based on Wake Island in the Western Pacific. In the initial attack, VMA-211 had seven of its 12 Grumman F4F Wildcat fighter aircraft destroyed on the ground. The remaining five were destroyed in action, after which VMA-211 became a ground unit until the surrender of Wake Island on 23 Dec. 1941.

            VMA-211's Henry T. Elrod, was the first U.S. Marine airman to be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor in World War II.

            In the terrorist attack in Afghanistan earlier this month, Taliban attackers wore American military uniforms, which added to the confusion. All the attackers reportedly were killed in a firefight, but the damage was done.

            We'll have to wait and see what ultimately happens to VMA-211.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:18 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 10:40 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012

            My point has long been that we should be discussing policy, NOT personal gaffes, etc., which are mere distractions. Everyone makes them and they tell us nothing about what policies a candidate would pursue.

            Only small minds are persuaded by such things as how much "funnier" one side is versus the other.

            I've challenged jennydoe to describe why she supports Obama in terms of what his policies will be and why she thinks they will work while Romney's won't. Perhaps you can help her with that? I know she's sure going to need some assistance; that, or she'll just quote some liberal blogger's opinions because she can't form one of her own.

             
          • Pete posted at 10:46 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Frank - You better batten down the hatches and make sure your taxes are in order. I think you may have placed yourself on Barry's radar.

             
          • Sardondi posted at 10:45 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Sardondi Posts: 1

            So, our media is studiously avoiding the mounting evidence that the President of the United States is a mole? *yaaaaawwwwn* Wake me when there's some news.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:40 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:36 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            You must have put in new light bulbs in your office? Or do you have a 'special file' for such junk, and you merely prompt a response from your computer?

            "The French don't even have a word for.....entrepreneur......" G.W.Bush

            A few more, but you get the point? You might want to explain it to Bill, however.......Our resident Right Wing Homer Simpson.

             
          • bill39 posted at 10:03 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            What good are presidential election polls, the election is NOT today or tomorrow.

            HTC: Gee, jennydoe, do you really want to get into a piSSing contest over which candidate is more ignorant when your guy doesn't even know how many states there are? Etc..

            When his own advisors recommend a tax plan similar to Romney/Ryans plan.

             
          • change60 posted at 9:59 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            change60 Posts: 1

            The links from Obama to black racists(Jerimiah Wright) and the Nation of Islam already are proven. The links from Obama to Acorn, a group designed to use fraud at the ballot box to disenfranchise whites is already proven. Now we have links from Obama to black groups funded by emir's and princes from the Mideast. Is there any wonder why Obama has bowed to Saudi princes? I think the explanation is he bowed to those who paid his way.
            The last shoe to drop in this really frightening unraveling of this stranger, Barack Obama is when we find out he is a practicing Muslim. Klein in his recent bio hinted as much when he interview Wright and asked him if Wright's Christan teachings took hold. Wright said he wasn't sure.
            I'm sure, it didn't and he's not and he's lied about it like so many other parts of his background.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:57 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012

            Remus would be proud of his great-great-nephew who's carried on his tradition by acquiring real estate assets via similar questionable dealings.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Here is Rmoney's latest sincere ad....

            HTC: So what didn't you understand in that ad? Romney is absolutely correct that compassion shouldn'be be measured by how many people are on public assistance, but by how good a job you've done lifting them OUT of poverty.

            Is that too advanced a concept for you?

            Maybe you just don't like the argument because, by that practical and factual standard, your guy Obama is a horrible failure!

            Your incapacity for sound logic is also betrayed by your belief, which you share with your fellow progressives, that Romney's policies will "favor the rich."

            Well, gawd, I sure as he// hope so because every job I've had working for someone else was given to me by a 'rich' man! When was the last time you were given a job by a poor man?

            All I've seen you do is attack Mitt Romney's intellect, his character and his philosophies, but I've yet to see you make a sound policy argument of substance based upon solid economic data, historical fact or anything else.

            So, it's time for you to switch from attack mode which any fool can do and impress us with your intellect and how well-informed you are. It's time for you to tell us what Obama's plan is and why it will work whereas Romney's won't; after all, you wouldn't want us to think you were a mindless Obamaton who's been sucked into the empty suit's cult of personality, would you?


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:36 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Sounds like Rmoney is the ignorant one here.

            HTC: Gee, jennydoe, do you really want to get into a piSSing contest over which candidate is more ignorant when your guy doesn't even know how many states there are? When he's said "The private sector is doing fine" when we all know otherwise? When he's still insisting that the Benghazi attack was in reaction to a stupid movie trailer released months earlier (even his State Department has acknowledged otherwise.)? When he said "When I meet with world leaders, what’s striking — whether it’s in Europe or here in Asia…" while he was in Hawaii? Who said "We're the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad?" Who frequently contradicts himself in the next sentence: "I mean, I do think at a certain point you've made enough money. But, you know, part of the American way is, you know, you can just keep on making it if you're providing a good product or providing good service." OR this one: "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine, right? It's the Post Office that's always having problems", while attempting to make the case for government-run healthcare. A Commander-in-Chief who doesn't know how to pronounce "corpsman?" Who famously said "The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries." Who believes that "Austrian" is a language: "It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There's a lot of -- I don't know what the term is in Austrian, wheeling and dealing." Who said "What I was suggesting -- you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith..." in an interview with ABC's George Stephanopoulos, who jumped in to correct Obama by saying "your Christian faith," which Obama quickly clarified. Who angrily snapped "Why can't I just eat my waffle?", after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania. A president who quipped with disgust "Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions.", because he was exasperated by reporters after a news conference. A president who stated "In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed.", while commenting on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people.

            I could go on and on but I'm time and space limited here. Apparently you have no problem with those statements because you don't see the error or 'humor' in them? That must be it, because I'd hate to think that you're a flaming hypocrite!

            jennydoe: When asked in their '60 minutes' interview about usage of spare time Rmoney stated he prays. Obama stated he reads... I want a president that reads with a bit more capability than "my pet goat" or 'the book of mormon'. What is so ignorant about that?

            HTC: What's so ignorant about that, you ask?

            How about the fact that Obama obviously hasn't read a single book on economics but he's totally willing to roll the dice on the national economy by betting on policies which have been proven to fail EVERY time they'e been tried (including his 4 years in office). Maybe he's still at the "See Spot run" phase in his reading development; after all, he must be hiding his transcripts for a very good reason.

            Obama has also repeatedly insisted that he prays a lot, so apparently Mitt works and reads ON the job and prays during his "spare time", while Obama prays on the job (since he clearly isn't doing the job himself), and reads who-knows-what in his spare time; that is, when he isn't playing golf 122 times in 3.5 years.

            jennydoe: So is the fact that Rmoney thinks corporations are people, but doesn't feel the same way about teachers.

            HTC: If B.S. were music, you'd be a frickin' symphony!

             
          • kohana posted at 9:15 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            As an amateur genealogist, your last post jennydoe has made my day! The spin is wonderful and creative. bill39 please do read one more of her posts, on Reid's genealogy. Reid is a sick puppy and every religion has more than it's share of them. However, Jesus stated he came for the sinners to change their ways, or save their souls or something like that, not for the righteous.

            But jennydoe dear, please pay attention to Obama's 60 minutes statement and his UN speeches. He means what he says; 5 dead Americans in Libya because of no security, no ammo for their guns and they were just a "BUMP in the road"? Israel's neighbors are amassing military might on her borders with one of them determined to nuke her, and she's just making "noise" begging for help? Armed security for our embassies wouldn't make any difference? Maybe just having them there with bullets in their guns might have, you know? And the worse statement of all,"The future must not belong to those who slander the PROPHET of ISLAM."

            Do you understand the significant of that statement? Do you realize that means every single American, man, woman and child, who is not a Muslim? Do you understand that he is saying he believes the phony piece of crap from the desert 1400 years ago is a real prophet? Are you okay with all the above and willing to keep him in office for probably not just 4 more years, but a lifetime? It doesn't matter if you don't like Romney, Ron123 would make a better president. He hasn't been bought lock, stock and barrel by communist Muslims.

            Jenny, you need to just sit down and think hard about the ramifications of giving Obama 4 more years. This is going to be a battle for the survival of our Republic and the survival of the American way of life and the constitution. Did you pay attention to the fact some unknown guy made a silly homemade video for an outlay of about $1.50, posted it to YouTube last May, and was ARRESTED at MIDNIGHT by the police? You are okay with that? No warrants, no just cause, and he is now in hiding? The POLICE gave out his name and address. Are you okay with that?

            All you progressives must think about who you vote for this election, and it doesn't matter if you believe Romney flops back and forth. Did you even read my post by Thomas Sowell yesterday and think about what Obama said; and what he actually did? Are you okay with it?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:29 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Good post. Homer is the poster boy for the ignorant left, nearly half of whom still don't know who their VP is.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:47 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123 posted at 4:24 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012

            Isn't it wonderful that we don't have to worry about CO2; that is, unless we're a science-challenged leftie?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: The '60s produced some very informative and inspiring political arguments. They were understood by the masses...not the aSSes.

            HTC: OK, little Rocketman, tell us what the 'deep' political argument is in THOSE lyrics.

            You remind me of the progressives who 'invented' so-called modern art which any 5-year old could do and who insisted that was also 'deep.'

             
          • jennydoe posted at 8:41 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            There is no use responding jenny, as far as I am concerned you don't exist.
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            FTFY

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:14 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            There is no use responding jenny, as far as I are concerned you dont exist.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:35 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            bill: Jenny, by reading HTC's, JBS's etc. comments, I can clearly see robot#123 is still ignorant. and no, I do not read his blabber. I accidently read one about a year ago, but it has not happened since. I am thinking about not reading any of your posts anymore. It gains nothing. All you do is run down republicans, while NOT supporting your democrats with anything credible. One can not reason with an unreasonable person. Have a NICE life jenny, in your ignorance.
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            If gGod tells you not to read my posts, then by all means, don't. I'm good with that. Here is a quip you may find credible:

            Senator Harry Reid’s great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889.

            Judy Walkman, a professional genealogy researcher in southern California, was doing some personal work on her own family tree. She discovered that Senator Harry Reid’s great-great uncle, Remus Reid, was hanged for horse stealing and train
            robbery in Montana in 1889. Both Judy and Harry Reid share this common ancestor. The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows in Montana territory:

            On the back of the picture Judy obtained during her research is this inscription: ‘Remus Reid, horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.’

            So Judy recently e-mailed Senator Harry Reid for information about their great-great uncle.

            Harry Reid:

            Believe it or not, Harry Reid’s staff sent back the following biographical sketch for her genealogy research: “Remus Reid was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to government service, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor when the platform upon which he was standing collapsed.”

            http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/08/senator-harry-reid-horse-stealing-train-robbery-hanging-family-2449202.html

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:27 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            bill: jenny: I don't see what difference it makes to you whether or not he is lost since you don't read his posts anyway.

            The difference it makes is, you two are still supporting a frigging communist. Have you totally given up? Have you no patriotism left? Are you JUST a democrat?
            Since 1933 democrats have controlled congress 78% of the time. from 1933 to 1981 democrats controlled congress over 91% of that time. Yet you still blame republicans for this countrys woes, I call that ignorant. Are you two JUST democrats?
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            rob voted for Bush as I recall....I don't recall him stating who he is voting for this time around, do you?
            Of course not, his posts aren't worth reading. I forgot. That's how you know so much about his political leanings. If I am JUST a democrat, then HTC is JUST a republican. And you are still JUST a lost soul.

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:22 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            Jenny, by reading HTC's, JBS's etc. comments, I can clearly see robot#123 is still ignorant. and no, I do not read his blabber. I accidently read one about a year ago, but it has not happened since. I am thinking about not reading any of your posts anymore. It gains nothing. All you do is run down republicans, while NOT supporting your democrats with anything credible. One can not reason with an unreasonable person. Have a NICE life jenny, in your ignorance.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:19 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            mooseberry - which one of us in here worships President Obama? You guys are becoming hysterical!
            I am changing my affliation of being an "American" to becoming an "American"!!

            But since it's now okay to be a mooching 47% maybe I'll vote for Rmoney. I love the fact that he tells anybody what they want to hear. Perhaps he'll even provide inexpensive healthcare for all, like he did as the grandfather of the Affordable Care Act, and we won't have to wait until we have to end up in an emergency room, if we can find one.

            Here is Rmoney's latest sincere ad:

            http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/romney-47-percent-middle-class-ad.php?ref=fpb

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 7:02 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            Kohana - excellent work. As usual our liberal/progressive/communists confuse their loving worship of Obama as presented by the regime media outlets with the reality of his actions. Why they're incapable of learning the difference is amazing. Once again folks - Obama is a liar, and his regime, and his worshipers. Look at his OWN WORDS, look at his RECORD, look at his associations, etc. It is not a great mystery. comrade/king/communist party leader/Liar obama is not fit to be our president. How is it you obama worshipers don't get it? low IQ? stuck in fairyland? belief in upside down economics? belief that somehow YOU are not going to pay? Just not paying any attention for 3 years? People - get a clue for all of our sakes.

             
          • bill39 posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            jenny: I want a president that reads with a bit more capability than "my pet goat" or 'the book of mormon'.

            You have it. You should be content.

            jenny: I don't see what difference it makes to you whether or not he is lost since you don't read his posts anyway.

            The difference it makes is, you two are still supporting a frigging communist. Have you totally given up? Have you no patriotism left? Are you JUST a democrat?
            Since 1933 democrats have controlled congress 78% of the time. from 1933 to 1981 democrats controlled congress over 91% of that time. Yet you still blame republicans for this countrys woes, I call that ignorant. Are you two JUST democrats?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:38 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Rob123 posted at 6:15 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.
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            Interesting.
            So is the fact that Rmoney thinks corporations are people, but doesn't feel the same way about teachers.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:26 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            IABD, good one.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:25 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            bill39 posted his 612th post at 12:12 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.
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            Gosh, aren't you the all high & mighty one.
            What part of Rmoney saying he shouldn't be president if he paid $1 extra in taxes is ignorant?
            Am I really being ignorant if I find conservatives funnier than liberals? You guys are a hoot!
            Has there been another president (since airoplanes were invented ) that didn't know why one doesn't open an airplane window. (HTC, he could have said, "When I am elected president, I will take my scientific knowledge and help design an airplane window that will open") Sounds like Rmoney is the ignorant one here.
            When asked in their '60 minutes' interview about usage of spare time Rmoney stated he prays. Obama stated he reads. George Bush listened to God. Look where that got us. I want a president that reads with a bit more capability than "my pet goat" or 'the book of mormon'. What is so ignorant about that?
            As for rob, I don't see what difference it makes to you whether or not he is lost since you don't read his posts anyway.
            And who are you, bill39, to be calling either one of us "ignoramus"? ...... Your very own lost soul.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:24 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-25/biggest-english-polluter-spends-1-billion-to-burn-wood-energy.html

            Biggest English Polluter Spends $1 Billion to Burn Wood: Energy

            "Coal, the most polluting fossil fuel, generates about 41 percent of the world’s electricity, while biomass accounts for 1.4 percent, according to the International Energy Agency."

            “Most companies and governments completely ignore the carbon-dioxide emissions from burning, because they say new trees will grow back and absorb all the carbon again,” said Almuth Ernsting, director of campaigning group Biofuelwatch. “In reality, it takes minutes to burn a tree and many decades for a new tree to grow back and absorb all the carbon again.”

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:33 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: Only old hippies think song lyrics are political argument.
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            The '60s produced some very informative and inspiring political arguments. They were understood by the masses...not the aSSes.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:29 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF9mvYDXqG8&feature=related

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:57 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Shame on you, Harry Reid
            By Cal Thomas
            September 25, 2012

            In a conference call with reporters, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said that his fellow Mormon, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, "is not the face of Mormonism." Reid added he agrees with Romney critics who claim Romney has "sullied" the faith of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the official name of the church.

            We've been down this theological road before. In the 1980s, liberal Christians who pretty much had the "faith" territory to themselves since Prohibition and the Scopes "monkey trial," claimed that evangelical and fundamentalist Christians were not "real Christians” when they began to exert their influence in the political arena.

            In recent weeks, Senator Reid has violated at least one of the Ten Commandments -- the one prohibiting the bearing of false witness -- as well as the command of Jesus to "Judge not, lest you be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged." (see Matthew 7:2-5). That doesn't mean Reid can't disagree with Romney's political positions, which is an entirely different matter and well within his theological and political rights, but to suggest that Romney's faith isn't as good as his own -- the apparent intent of his remark -- is to violate the command of the One Reid claims to follow.

            In the matter of "bearing false witness," Reid claimed that a "source," who he refused to name, told him that Romney had not paid any federal income taxes in a decade. Reid indicated he believed him and challenged Romney to release his tax returns. When Romney finally did, proving he has, indeed, paid millions of dollars in taxes, did Reid apologize and ask Romney to forgive him? He did not. Instead, Reid moved on to another accusation that Romney had "fudged" his charitable donations in order to live up to the percentage of his income he claimed to have given away in recent years.

            I'll leave it to the Mormon hierarchy and their flock to judge among themselves and not in public discourse who is the better face of Mormonism.

            Cal Thomas is America's most widely syndicated newspaper columnist and a Fox News contributor. Follow him on Twitter@CalThomas.

             
          • kohana posted at 3:40 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/25/obama-versus-obama#commentcontainer

            Obama Versus Obama: Part I

            By Thomas Sowell on 9.25.12 @ 6:05AM

            Obama 2 has decided instead that if Congress doesn't do what he wants, he will do it by himself through Executive Orders.

            Many voters will be comparing Mitt Romney with Barack Obama between now and election day. But what might be even more revealing would be comparing Obama with Obama. There is a big contrast between Obama based on his rhetoric ("Obama 1") and Obama based on his record ("Obama 2").

            For example, during the 2008 election campaign, Obama 1 spoke of "opening up and creating more transparency in government," so that government spending plans would be posted on the Internet for days before they passed into legislation. After he was elected president, Obama said, "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government."

            This Obama 1 sounds like a very good fellow. No wonder so many people voted for him.

            But then there is Obama 2. He passed a mammoth ObamaCare bill so fast that even members of Congress didn't have time to read it, much less the general public. It was by no means posted on the Internet for days before the vote, as promised.

            The Constitution of the United States requires transparency as well. When people are nominated by a President to become Cabinet members, the Constitution requires that they be confirmed by the Senate before they can take office, so that facts about them can become known before they are given the powers of their offices.

            Although President Obama complied with this requirement when he appointed Cabinet members, he also made other appointments to powerful positions created by Executive Orders -- people aptly called "czars" for the vast, unchecked powers they wielded, in some cases greater than the powers exercised by Cabinet members.

            These "czars" never had to be confirmed by the Senate, and so had no public vetting before acquiring their powers. We had unknown and unaccountable rulers placed over us.

            Another aspect of transparency was the Constitution's requirement that Congress pass a budget every year. The Democratically controlled Senate during the Obama administration has not passed a budget for three consecutive years.

            Passing a budget makes the administration tell the public what it will pay for, what it will have to cut to reduce the deficit -- and how big the deficit will be if they don't cut anything. By not even passing a budget, Obama 2 and his party are in effect saying to the public, "It is none of your business." Transparency?

            In his oath of office, Barack Obama swore to see that the laws are faithfully executed, as all Presidents do. But that was Obama 1. Once in the White House, Obama 2 proceeded to explicitly waive the enforcement of laws he didn't agree with.

            The immigration laws are a classic example. Failing to get Congress to pass some version of amnesty, Obama 2 simply issued an Executive Order exempting certain classes of illegal immigrants from the immigration laws on the books.

            Too many people have gotten sucked into a discussion of whether it is a good or a bad thing for people brought into the country as children to be exempted. But the whole reason for Constitutional government is to have all three branches of government agree on what the laws of the land shall be.

            Obama 2 has decided instead that if Congress doesn't do what he wants, he will do it by himself through Executive Orders.

            If any President can unilaterally change the law, we are not likely to have the same freedom under rule by presidential fiat as under Constitutional government. This is especially dangerous in a President's second term, when he need no longer have to consider what the voters want. With a couple more Supreme Court appointments he can permanently change the very nature of American government.

            One of the most dangerous examples of a lack of transparency was inadvertently revealed last March when Obama 2, unaware that a microphone was on, told Russian President Dmitry Medvedev that, after he is reelected, and never has to face the voters again, he will have the "flexibility" to make a deal with Russia on missile defense systems.

            In other words, Obama will be able to make a deal with a country that has been America's most implacable and most formidable adversary for more than half a century -- a deal he couldn't make if the voters knew about it before the election. Think about that chilling prospect, and what it reveals about the real Obama.

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            http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/25/obama-versus-obama#commentcontainer

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיק דבקה‎) is a Jerusalem-based English language Israeli open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. The word "Debka" refers to an Arab folk dance.[1]
            The site started in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.[1] It has been awarded Forbes' Best of the Web award.[2] Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources."
            Wired.com's Noah Shachtman wrote in 2001 that the site "clearly reports with a point of view; the site is unabashedly in the hawkish camp of Israeli politics," adding that Debka had partnered with the right-wing news site WorldNetDaily for a weekly subscription product.[3] Yediot Achronot investigative reporter Ronen Bergman states that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as neo-conservative elements of the US Republican Party, "whose worldview is that the situation is bad and is only going to get worse," and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.[1] Cornell Law professor Michael C. Dorf calls Debka his "favorite alarmist Israeli website trading in rumors."[4]
            The site's operators, in contrast, state that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point to its year 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would again strike the World Trade Center, and that it had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets pointed at northern Israel.[1]

             
          • kohana posted at 2:59 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            May I suggest Rob, if you are truly interested in what Israelis think and what their concerns are that you go to this site, instead of yahoo. You would be much better informed.

            http://www.debka.com/

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:40 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            http://news.yahoo.com/israelis-shrug-netanyahus-urgent-warnings-iran-131629186.html

            "Israelis shrug at Netanyahu's urgent warnings on Iran
            Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu has relentlessly warned that Iran poses an imminent nuclear threat, but most Israelis are sanguine, believing it won't happen or that Israel can handle it."

            WELL! That must just cause certain Chickenhawks to get High Blood Pressure!
            "....more than half say they think Mr. Netanyahu's statements about launching an Israeli strike on Iran are a bluff intended to pressure the US to do the job instead."
            DUH!

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:26 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            bill39 posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Why Bill, you miss me! How sweet. Thank you. Heck, I bet in 1967 you would have talked me out of joining the Army and volunteering for Vietnam, and insisted I go back and finish college.......Of course, I probably wouldn't have listened to an old, retired, Goldwater Republican in 1967. I was just a kid, with a sports car and kind of bored.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:19 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: What a sniveling piece of s h i t! He is still blaming the death of our American Ambassador to Libya on a stupid piece of film.

            HTC: If we give the benefit of the doubt to Obama, we're left with another problem; namely, that the trailer was first released in May and, if they really believed such things would and did invite these attacks, they would have and should have already increased security at our diplomatic installations which clearly might have been at risk.

            This they did not do; therefore, they're either liars or gross incompetents.

            Take your pick....


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:14 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: Now you are a physicist too? Regular or Asstro?

            HTC: "Regular", which is a great thing at my age.

            What's the matter - never heard of dual majors? Did you major in anything other than ignorance?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:11 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            "U Didn't Build That" by MC 'Bama:

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/17/u_didnt_build_that_by_mc_bama.html

             
          • kohana posted at 1:03 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            What a sniveling piece of s h i t! He is still blaming the death of our American Ambassador to Libya on a stupid piece of film.

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/09/25/Obama-to-UN-Not-My-Video-More-Guards-Would-Not-Have-Helped

            Passing the buck in dramatic fashion on the world stage, President Barack Obama told the UN General Assembly this morning that the U.S. government was not responsible for the anti-Islam video that he once again blamed for recent attacks on U.S. embassies in the Middle East. He added that more guards at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi would not have helped save Ambassador Chris Stevens, and that the real problem was "deeper causes" such as religious intolerance.

            "[I]t will not be enough to put more guards in front of an Embassy; or to put out statements of regret, and wait for the outrage to pass," Obama told the assembled diplomats and heads of state. "If we are serious about those ideals, we must speak honestly about the deeper causes of this crisis....Today, we must affirm that our future will be determined by people like Chris Stevens, and not by his killers. Today, we must declare that this violence and intolerance has no place among our United Nations."

            While claiming that Al Qaeda had been weakened, Obama said that the attacks on U.S. embassies were in fact a natural outcome of misunderstandings on both sides--of "difficulties of reconciling tradition and faith with the diversity and interdependence of the modern world." He proceeded to attack the infamous anti-Islam video:

            In every country, there are those who find different religious beliefs threatening. In every culture, those who love freedom for themselves must ask themselves how much they're willing to tolerate freedom for others. And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well.

            Obama added that the U.S. could not "ban" the video, because the "Constitution protects the right to practice free speech." He did not mention that his administration's policy is, in fact, that such speech can be restricted, and that the U.S. had co-sponsored a resolution with Egypt at the UN Human Rights Council in 2009 that would allow Islamist governments to ban such videos and claim they had the full support of the United States.

            "I do believe that it is the obligation of all leaders in all countries to speak out forcefully against violence and extremism," Obama said, placing a filmmaker in the U.S. on equal footing with those who had attacked America. Obama also equated insulting Muhammad with denying the Holocaust:

            The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.

            Again, Obama left out a key detail: that his appointed diplomats had sat and listened to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad yesterday while he defended Holocaust denial and said Israel would be "eliminated"--long after Israel's representatives had left the hall in protest.

            Obama left precious little time to address the civil war in Syria or the threat of a nuclear Iran. He gave several pages to assuaging the feelings of radical Muslims angry about a YouTube video; he provided a few sentences to the question of what to do about a nuclear-armed Iran, saying only that "time is not unlimited" for talks.


             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:38 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1564

            "physicist"

            Now you are a physicist too? Regular or Asstro? Can I submit an application for your autograph?

            Iffin ida node youse wasa so impotent, ida nebber ebber called youseall dem danged, derned, bad, monicar wurds.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:35 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012

            Only old hippies think song lyrics are political argument.

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:12 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            jennydoe: Your good ol boy mittens disqualifies himself by paying a dollar more in taxes than he is legally required.
            hahahahahahaha conservatives are so much more funnier than liberals
            I'd guess you rather elect the 1st president that couldn't figure out why you can't open an airplane window.
            Rmoney prays. Obama reads.

            Ignoramus. You must be trying to take up the slack of the ignoramus rob who seems to be lost somewhere.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:30 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Bronco posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012

            Would be nice if you could convince the Imams of the Islam countries of that. It isn't America, Americans, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhas, etc., that is calling for the death and beheading of people, and the destruction of countries who don't agree with them. None of us enclose our children in explosive vests and send them into crowds. None of us dance in the streets and pass out candy when a family of Muslims get their throats slit by any of us. That is if you know of any. Your post reflect the idea that conservative people want war, we don't but we are not going to sit on our thumbs and let "them" destroy us. Especially when they tell us what they are planning to do.
            The longer Obama is in office kissing Muslim a s s e s, the longer it will take us to totally regain our Constitution.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 11:23 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!! thanx in part to my sister, BJ.

            John Smith started the day early having set his alarm clock(MADE IN JAPAN )
            For 6 am .. While his coffeepot (MADE IN CHINA)

            Was perking, he shaved with his Electric razor (MADE IN HONG KONG)

            He put on a Dress shirt (MADE IN SRI LANKA),
            Designer jeans (MADE IN SINGAPORE)
            And Tennis shoes (MADE IN KOREA)

            After cooking his breakfast in his new Electric skillet (MADE IN INDIA)

            He sat down with his Calculator (MADE IN MEXICO)

            To see how much he could spend today. After setting his Watch (MADE IN TAIWAN )

            To the radio (MADE IN INDIA )

            He got in his car(MADE IN GERMANY )

            Filled it with GAS(from Saudi Arabia )

            And continued his search For a good paying AMERICAN JOB.

            At the end of yet another discouraging And fruitless day Checking his
            Computer ( made in MALAYSIA ),

            John decided to relax for a while. He put on his sandals (MADE IN BRAZIL ),

            Poured himself a glass of Wine (MADE IN FRANCE )

            And turned on his TV (MADE IN INDONESIA ),

            And then wondered why he can't Find a good paying job In AMERICA

            AND NOW HE'S HOPING HE CAN GET HELP FROM A PRESIDENT

            MADE IN KENYA
            -----------

            hahahahahahaha conservatives are so much more funnier than liberals

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:14 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Plane windows that roll down would therefore be, in Romney's words, "a real problem."

            HTC: Picking a fight with a physicist and engineer? Not a good strategy, jennydoe.

            No one's talking about "roll down" windows that could be activated by passengers. That's a silly strawman argument raised by desperate lefties who need to mock Romney because they don't have a grasp on the issues. No doubt they're also the same people who get their 'news' from COMEDIAN Jon Stewart.

            A fire onboard an aircraft can quickly release dense volumes of highly toxic smoke which can quickly overcome the passengers and crew, making it impossible to see even the instruments, let alone to enable everyone to safely get on their oxygen masks (which also don't work well for small children and babies).

            Sometimes your only option is to quickly but safely depressurize and vent out the smoke and vent in clean air. Many of our military aircraft have long had this ability, but civilian aircraft lack it. This issue is largely overlooked in civilian aviation because they consider it a far more unlikely event for civilian aircraft versus military aircraft which may be subject to hostile fire.

            However, in this age of terrorism, we might want to rethink that because a fire-bomb would be VERY easy for terrorists to smuggle on board since our security system isn't looking for those radically different chemical compounds which require less sophistication and training to make and use.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Now Harry Reid is claiming that Romney has "sullied our shared religion" with his 47% comments.

            Boy, are these guys ever desperate!

            I'd have to say that it's Reid who is sullying their shared faith because he doesn't seem to know the difference between "charity" and government theft of other people's money for the purpose of giving it to those who did nothing to earn it while securing their votes in the process

            Real charity requires the VOLUNTARY contribution of one's time or money, NOT the redistribution of others' hard earned monies. That is a core principle of both the Christian and Mormon religions but it's a lesson that's apparently lost on Heretic Reid.

            But Reid does have the hypocrite gig totally nailed. He's long been demanding that Romney release ALL of his tax returns while he himself continues to refuse to do so.

            What are you afraid of, Harry? That amongst other things we'll discover that you don't practice what you preach?

            Romney gave 30% of his 2011 income to charity. Obama gave 21.8% while miserly Biden gave a mere 1.5%. In fact Mr. Redistribute-the-Wealth Biden's ten year record is a mere .2% in charitable contributions!

            And they DARE to insist that the uncaring one in this picture is Romney.

            Incredible!

             
          • kohana posted at 9:55 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob123: Tuition and fees at four-year colleges climbed 300 percent between 1990 and 2011, fueling the college loan crisis...

            http://chronicle.com/article/College-Presidents-Salaries/63874/

            Million $ a year salaries and 5M bonus packages could possibly have a bearing on it. Presidents of colleges and universities build an elite squad vs. professors, and are good at begging for more money, to pay their salaries I presume.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 9:51 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            This is why you don't roll down airplane windows, despite your excuses HTC.

            Gravity tends to keep air molecules concentrated near the ground, so the atmosphere thins out as you go up. The air becomes so thin at 10,000 feet (3,000 meters) or so that airplane cabins must be pressurized above that altitude to prevent occupants from suffering from hypoxia, or lack of oxygen. Because temperature and pressure go hand-in-hand (i.e. low-pressure air feels cold), pressurization is also necessary to keep cabins sufficiently warm.

            At 35,000 ft. (11,000 m), the typical altitude of a commercial jet, the air pressure drops to less than a quarter of its value at sea level, and the outside temperature drops below negative 60 degrees Fahrenheit (negative 51 degrees Celsius), according to The Engineering Toolbox. Exposed to such conditions, you would quickly die.

            Pressurization is normally achieved by pumping the cabin with "bleed air," or compressed air sucked in and heated up by the plane's turbine engines. Pressurization only works in an airtight fuselage. Were you to open a plane window, the compressed air inside would rapidly rush out, atmospheric conditions inside and outside the plane would equalize, and everybody would die.

            Plane windows that roll down would therefore be, in Romney's words, "a real problem."

            http://news.yahoo.com/why-plane-windows-dont-roll-down-romney-221323006.html

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:49 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            A break from all you war-mongering, we-gotta-avenge-American-deaths, send troops (aka our children) gun-jumpers here...

            What's going on?

            Mother, mother
            There's too many of you crying
            Brother, brother, brother
            There's far too many of you dying
            You know we've got to find a way
            To bring some lovin' here today - Yah

            Father, father
            We don't need to escalate
            You see, war is not the answer
            For only love can conquer hate
            You know we've got to find a way
            To bring some lovin' here today

            Picket lines and picket signs
            Don't punish me with brutality
            Talk to me
            So you can see
            Oh, what's going on
            What's going
            Ya, what's going on
            Ah, what's going on

            In the mean time
            Right on, baby
            Right on
            Right on

            Mother, Mother, everybody thinks we're wrong
            Oh, but who are they to judge us
            Simply because our hair is long
            Oh, you know we've got to find a way
            To bring some understanding here today
            Oh

            Picket lines and picket signs
            Don't punish me with brutality
            Talk to me,
            So you can see
            Oh, what's going on
            What's going on
            I’ll tell you Ya, what's going on - Uh
            Ah, what's going on
            Right on baby
            Right on baby

            Songwriters: COLE, KEYSHIA M. / DAVI, JOE / HARRIS, CHE M. / MATTHEWS, DELENO SEAN / ORTIZ, CLAUDETTE / SMITH, REMY KIONI

             
          • who new posted at 9:39 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            who new Posts: 367

            HTC: “Let's reward SUCCESS instead of subsidizing poverty. Let's praise success, instead of attacking it. And let's help everyone become successful instead of paying them to merely subsist.”

            Beautifully written, non-judgmental commentary by David Frum along similar lines-

            The true difference between Obama, Romney

            http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/opinion/frum-real-vision-obama-romney/index.html?hpt=op_t1

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:33 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rebel Rouser: Looks closer to reality to me.

            HTC: Of course it does because you don't know squat about statistical science.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:21 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Tuition and fees at four-year colleges climbed 300 percent between 1990 and 2011, fueling the college loan crisis...

            HTC: Q: What has been driving up tuition costs so dramatically?

            A: Federal student aid and grants to our colleges and universities; in other words, the "college loan crisis" created itself.

            Q: What happens when you violate free markets and subsidize something?

            A: You get more of it but prices go WAY up in the process.

            Q: Why is that?

            A: In the case of education, it's simple: You haven't dramatically increased the number of educational institutions but you have increased the demand while removing a lot of consumer concern over value and pricing since the latter becomes a future issue when you hope you're going to be making a lot of money. Colleges and universities have taken advantage of that situation and turned campuses into what we used to call resorts while offering countless liberal arts programs with little career earning benefits such as "international studies" and "African American studies" and "women's studies."

            Q: Are there other examples of this effect?

            A: Absolutely! Healthcare costs are a VERY good example - they've also been rising far faster than inflation ever since LBJ gave us Medicare. Medicaid's appearance made that situation even worse and ObamaCare will greatly exacerbate the situation by giving 17 million Americans ready access to healhcare without adding ONE new doctor, clinic or hospital.

            The laws of supply and demand still work, even if Democrats' brains don't.

            Q: How do we bring DOWN healthcare costs and education expense?

            A: That's simple: get government the he// out of them! Works every time it's been tried.

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 9:12 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1564

            Claus posted at 7:45 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            "and finally a member of the Saudi royal family"

            So, the fact that George Bush Sr was personal buddies with the Bin Laden family, must have been very significant at the time, no?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:07 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123 posted at 6:15 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012

            Warning, little buddy - you're drifting WAY off to the left. We can barely see you anymore.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:05 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Here's what's sure to be a novel idea for you on the left:

            Let's reward SUCCESS instead of subsidizing poverty. Let's praise success, instead of attacking it. And let's help everyone become successful instead of paying them to merely subsist.

            Now that's CHANGE we can believe in which would give real HOPE to everyone!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:51 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: me: his job is not to worry about those people.

            HTC: And your job is apparently not to worry about the facts. BTW, you do your job INCREDIBLY well!

            Romney was very clearly saying that he can't worry about trying to reach non-taxpayers with messages of personal responsibility and tax cuts because they won't respond to those messages.

            And, he's absolutely correct about that. The independents are going to decide this and he needs to tailor his message for them.

            So, he was clearly talking about the election and NOT a lack of caring across the board. You're being intellectually dishonest to insist otherwise; that, or, you've got a skull as thick as a grizzly's.

            What we SHOULD be talking about is not dishonest distractions such as whether Romney cares about all Americans or not, but why poverty rates have been rising and middle class incomes have been falling ever since LBJ began the "War on Poverty" with his "Great Society". We need to have an honest discussion about what we really need to be doing to turn that trend in the other direction.

            But Democrats don't want to have that discussion because a big portion of that slide has occurred during the Obama presidency where the number of people receiving means-tested assistance has increased by 42% and middle class household incomes have dropped by over $5000/yr. Obama truly does have to run FROM his record; but, since you're apparently a happy six-figure family, you don't have to concern yourself with such matters, do you?

            When LBJ was sworn in as president, nearly 80% of adults paid federal income taxes; now, according to the IRS, almost 49% don't pay any federal income taxes.

            You lefties are quick to point out that many of them pay other taxes such as payroll taxes, but those don't fund the federal government, do they? Those taxes are for SS and Medicare (and their future benefits) and don't fund highways, education, the military, EPA, etc.

            So quite literally, those people AREN'T doing their fair share for America, are they?!

            In conclusion, the conversation we SHOULD be having is how we're really going to fight poverty SUCCESSFULLY and turn more American households from tax consumers to tax producers, for the good of ALL.

            Clearly the War on Poverty has proven, $17T later, that when you subsidize poverty, you simply get more of it. It's always been that way with anything one subsidizes and always will be the case. we have to change strategies (yes, I know that's REALLY, REALLY hard for you lefties) if we REALLY care and want to improve their lives.

            So let's have THAT discussion instead of all these B.S. distractions.

            OK?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1564

            "Rasmussen and Gallup are the only two pollsters who are close to reality"

            Intrade has Obama @ 72.5%, Romney @ 27.2. These numbers are from individuals who feel strongly enough about their prediction to place money (bet) on the outcome. Looks closer to reality to me.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:33 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Rasmussen uses an automated survey which by federal law doesn't reach nearly 1/3 households which only use cell phones.

            HTC: Virtually ALL pollsters use automated surveying techniques. Gallup supplements that with some hand-dialing of cell phones while Rasmussen uses automated online polling of those who only have cell phones to reach the same cross-section of people. Both use daily sampling, unlike the other pollsters, so their accuracy is increased over time as their number of data points increases.

            Furthermore, statisticians have shown that, while Obama polls higher amongst those with only cell phones who tend to be young or poor, when you properly adjust for those who will likely actually show up on election day, the Obama 'advantage' there becomes statistically insignificant.

            Not surprisingly, because of their superior methodologies, Gallup and Rasmussen are very close to agreeing with each other while the other pollsters are all out in left field (pun intended.)

            jennydoe: Gallup doesn't interview an appropriate amount of minorities.

            HTC: According to whom? Your liberal blog sites that know no more about polling science than you do?

            The biggest mistake most of the other pollsters are making now is in how they determine who will actually show up on election day. That is where the rubber really meets the road.

            Most of the others pollsters are using 2008's results as the model for predicting this year's turnout. That year was exceptional in the level of youth and minority turnout which was substantially higher than the historical norm.

            Polls within those groups show that Obama has lost a LOT of support within them, meaning their turnout will be LESS than in 2008. Amazingly, many of the other polls which you seem to prefer actually use models that expect turnout by those groups to be even higher than it was in 2008.

            Additionally, Rasmussen was THE most accurate pollster in 2008 and that's what made his firm famous; but, I realize as a progressive, you're not likely going to be persuaded by these facts. Denial is what you do best.

            jennydoe: GOP donors are wasting their time and money with any type of an "investment" towards a Rmoney election.

            HTC: We'll see come election day, won't we?

            There is one very good reason why all rational and informed men and women are hoping that Obama loses and that is the fact that if someone like him can win reelection in spite of his pathetic performance, it can only mean one thing: a majority of the electorate is as ignorant/greedy as you are.

            And that means that the Republic is undoubtedly lost.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:09 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            The proper form of address for his lordship King Obama is: "Comrade/King/idiot Obama"

             
          • Claus posted at 7:45 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Claus Posts: 401

            Frank shoots. He scores! And the crowd goes wild!

            Vernon Jarrett, Valerie Jarrett's, father in law, al-Mansour, formerly Donald Warden, a Marxist rabble rouser from the sixties with ties to the Black Panthers, and finally a member of the Saudi royal family, purveyors of Wahhabism to the world. They're all here, and what a cast! Right in the middle of it all, why it's Barack Hussein Obama, our beloved President!

             
          • kohana posted at 7:43 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Is Bill Ayers Influencing ‘Race to the Top’?

            Posted By Mary Grabar On September 25, 2012 @ 12:00 am In Homeland Security,US News

            What happened to Bill Ayers since his time in the spotlight during the last Obama campaign? We know that Ayers, along with wife Bernardine Dohrn and Code Pink leader Jodie Evans, supported the Gaza Flotilla, incited protests in Egypt [1] with the Free Gaza Movement in 2010, and advised [2] Occupy Wall Street [3] protesters on strategy. After all, he’s had a lot of experience, having spent his youth bombing [4] such places as the New York City police headquarters and the Pentagon, and trying to bomb a dance hall for U.S. servicemen and their dates.

            In 2008, only a few dared raise questions about then-presidential candidate Barack Obama’s association with Bill Ayers. Most questions focused on Bill Ayers’ past as co-founder of the domestic terrorist group Weatherman. But by 1995, Ayers was an established professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago and living in the tony Hyde Park neighborhood. That year, he threw a political launch party for Obama’s run as a state senator. From that year until at least 2002, both men worked closely on “education” issues.

            Through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the “brainchild” of Ayers, they pumped millions of dollars to radical groups to bring their programs to inner-city schools. They looked to expand the radical educational goals Ayers was promoting by training “urban teachers.”

            I know from reading Ayers’ incoherent articles, syllabi, and books on education that his ultimate goal is to prepare foot soldiers for the coming revolution. And what better place to start than in the poorest and poorest-performing schools in inner-city Chicago? After all, in a well-off suburb you might get a parent looking over assignments and noticing the embedded Marxism and historical errors. Not likely, though, with the poor, single mother overburdened with child care. Not likely with an “undocumented” immigrant father who cannot speak English or read in his own language.

            So what has Bill Ayers been doing on the education front since then? Ayers makes frequent appearances on college campuses. He was named vice president for curriculum studies at the American Educational Research Association [5] (AERA) in 2009. In 2011, he was the keynote speaker at the New York Collective of Radical Educators (NYCoRE).

            It seems that he has also been visiting the White House.

            At least we thought so in 2009, when initial White House visitor logs were released. Then we were told to rest assured that it was a different Ayers there. The White House has since been very selective in releasing visitor rolls. Indeed, they are appealing a judge’s order to release them as a result of a lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch. Will we know before Election Day how many times Bill Ayers visited the White House? Probably not.

            Ayers’ influence on the administration matters because there is a federal education initiative coming from which there will be no escape through school districts, private schools, or home schools. Furthermore, the rigorous, uniform standards promised by the Department of Education through a contest called Race to the Top are anything but — unless you use the standards of social justice indoctrination.

            As I described in my report for Accuracy in Media (“Terrorist Professor Bill Ayers and Obama’s Federal School Curriculum [6]”): under the new Common Core initiative attached to Race to the Top, all school children will be required to pass national tests now essentially being written by Ayers “pal” and close radical colleague, Professor of Education Linda Darling-Hammond. The close collegial relationship between the two is matched by their similar education philosophies. Be prepared to have your children tested for the right attitudes in “social justice” through such means as “collaborative discussion,” one of the actual criteria now in place for eleventh- and twelfth-graders.

            How much influence has Ayers had? At this point, we don’t know exactly.

            But we do know that in October 2009, he was one of the keynote speakers at a conference by the Renaissance Group, a group made up mostly of state colleges. We do know that at that same conference Secretary of Education Arne Duncan and Under Secretary of Education Martha Kanter spoke. So did Nevin Brown from a company called Achieve Inc., which is essentially project manager for Common Core. Also, like most of the players in this educational initiative, Achieve is the recipient of the largesse of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

            In his latest book Spreading the Wealth [7], Stanley Kurtz quite logically maintains that after the 2008 controversy Obama decided he would distance himself from Ayers and instead have a proxy like Linda Darling-Hammond working with the White House. Although Darling-Hammond does not share Ayers’ bomb-throwing history, she is on the same page when it comes to education.

            So Ayers was at a conference with the two highest officials in the Department of Education. The video links for the conference on the Renaissance web page are not working. The director says he is having technical people looking into the problem. So far, this is all we have. That doesn’t mean there isn’t more.

            Read more about the coming diktats of Common Core in my report here [6].
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Article printed from PJ Media: http://pjmedia.com

            URL to article: http://pjmedia.com/blog/is-bill-ayers-influencing-race-to-the-top/

            URLs in this post:

            [1] protests in Egypt: http://nation.foxnews.com/gaza-flotilla-raid/2010/06/01/obama-friends-bill-ayers-code-pink-top-activists-behind-gaza-flotilla

            [2] advised: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/activist_bill_ayers_to_speak_t.html

            [3] Occupy Wall Street: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Controversial-Professor-Bill-Ayers-Speaks-With-Occupy-Chicago-Protestors--134045388.html?dr

            [4] bombing: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2169

            [5] American Educational Research Association: http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/inside-school-research/2009/04/a_terrorist_under_the_tent.html?qs=ayers+aera

            [6] Terrorist Professor Bill Ayers and Obama’s Federal School Curriculum: http://www.aim.org/special-report/terrorist-professor-bill-ayers-and-obamas-federal-school-curriculum/

            [7] Spreading the Wealth: http://pjmedia.com/ronradosh/2012/07/29/the-book-to-defeat-obama-stanley-kurtzs-spreading-the-wealth/

             
          • kohana posted at 7:33 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            The woman behind Truthdig

            http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2005/12/the_woman_behind_truthdig_1.php

            Fortunately, this is only Chris Hedges' opinion, and Truthdig is a left, progressive, and liberal website. Strange, I've been surffing the web since at least 2005 and have never heard of it.

             
          • Claus posted at 7:23 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Claus Posts: 401

            If Bill Ayers had a son he'd look like Chris Hedges.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:15 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            How Do You Take Your Poison?

            http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/how_do_you_take_your_poison_20120924/

            Posted on Sep 24, 2012

            By Chris Hedges

            We will all swallow our cup of corporate poison. We can take it from nurse Romney, who will tell us not to whine and play the victim, or we can take it from nurse Obama, who will assure us that this hurts him even more than it hurts us, but one way or another the corporate hemlock will be shoved down our throats. The choice before us is how it will be administered. Corporate power, no matter who is running the ward after January 2013, is poised to carry out U.S. history’s most savage assault against the poor and the working class, not to mention the Earth’s ecosystem. And no one in power, no matter what the bedside manner, has any intention or ability to stop it.

            If you insist on participating in the cash-drenched charade of a two-party democratic election at least be clear about what you are doing. You are, by playing your assigned role as the Democratic or Republican voter in this political theater, giving legitimacy to a corporate agenda that means your own impoverishment and disempowerment. All the things that stand between us and utter destitution—Medicaid, food stamps, Pell grants, Head Start, Social Security, public education, federal grants-in-aid to America’s states and cities, the Women, Infants, and Children nutrition program (WIC), Temporary Assistance for Needy Families and home-delivered meals for seniors—are about to be shredded by the corporate state. Our corporate oligarchs are harvesting the nation, grabbing as much as they can, as fast as they can, in the inevitable descent.

            We will be assaulted this January when automatic spending reductions, referred to as “the fiscal cliff,” begin to dismantle and defund some of our most important government programs. Mitt Romney will not stop it. Barack Obama will not stop it.

            And while Romney has been, courtesy of the magazine Mother Jones, exposed as a shallow hypocrite, Obama is in a class by himself. There is hardly a campaign promise from 2008 that Obama has not broken. This list includes his pledges to support the public option in health care, close Guantanamo, raise the minimum wage, regulate Wall Street, support labor unions in their struggles with employers, reform the Patriot Act, negotiate an equitable peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians, curb our imperial expansion in the Middle East, stop torture, protect reproductive rights, carry out a comprehensive immigration reform, cut the deficit by half, create 5 million new energy jobs and halt home foreclosures. Obama, campaigning in South Carolina in 2007, said that as president he would fight for the right of collective bargaining. “I’d put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself, I’ll … walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States of America,” he said. But when he got his chance to put on those “comfortable pair of shoes” during labor disputes in Madison, Wis., and Chicago he turned his back on working men and women.

            Obama, while promising to defend Social Security, also says he stands behind the planned cuts outlined by his deficit commission, headed by Morgan Stanley board member Erskine Bowles and former Sen. Alan Simpson, a Wyoming Republican. The Bowles-Simpson plan calls for cutting 0.3 percentage points from the annual cost-of-living adjustment in the Social Security program. The annual reduction would slowly accumulate. After a decade it would mean a 3 percent cut. After two decades it would mean a 6 percent cut. The retirement age would be raised to 69. And those on Social Security who continued to work and made more than $40,000 a year would be penalized with further reductions. Obama’s payroll tax cuts have, at the same time, served to undermine the solvency of Social Security, making it an easier target for the finance corporations that seek to destroy the program and privatize the funds.

            But that is just the start. Cities and states are frantically staving off collapse. They cannot pay for most pension plans and are borrowing at higher and higher interest rates to keep themselves afloat. The country’s 19,000 municipalities face steadily declining or stagnant property tax revenues, along with spiraling costs. Annual pension payments for state and local plans more than doubled to 15.7 percent of payrolls in 2011 from 6.4 percent a decade ago, according to a study by the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College. And local governments, which made some $50 billion in pension contributions in 2010, face unfunded pension liabilities of $3 trillion and unfunded health benefit liabilities of more than $1 trillion, according to The Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government. State and local government spending fell at a rate of 2.1 percent in the second quarter of this year, according to the Commerce Department. It was the 11th consecutive quarterly reduction in expenditures. And in the past year alone local governments cut 66,000 jobs, mostly those of teachers and other school employees, reported The Wall Street Journal, which accumulated this list of grim statistics.

            The costs of our most basic needs, from food to education to health care, are at the same time being pushed upward with no control or regulation. Tuition and fees at four-year colleges climbed 300 percent between 1990 and 2011, fueling the college loan crisis that has left graduates, most of them underemployed or unemployed, with more than $1 trillion in debt. Health care costs over the same period have risen 150 percent. Food prices have climbed 10 percent since June, according to the World Bank. There are now 46.7 million U.S. citizens, and one in three children, who depend on food stamps. The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency under Obama has, meanwhile, expelled 1.5 million immigrants, a number that dwarfs deportations carried out by his Republican predecessor. And while we are being fleeced, the Treasury Department and Federal Reserve Bank has since 2008 doled out $16 trillion to national and global financial institutions and corporations.

            Fiscal implosion is only a matter of time. And the corporate state is preparing. Obama’s assault on civil liberties has outpaced that of George W. Bush. The refusal to restore habeas corpus, the use of the Authorization to Use Military Force Act to justify the assassination of U.S. citizens, the passing of the FISA Amendments Act to monitor and eavesdrop on tens of millions of citizens without a warrant, the employment of the Espionage Act six times to threaten whistle-blowers inside the government with prison time, and the administration’s recent emergency appeal of U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest’s permanent injunction of Section 1021(b)(2) of the National Defense Authorization Act give you a hint of the shackles the Democrats, as well as the Republicans, intend to place on all those who contemplate dissent.

            But perhaps the most egregious assault will be carried out by the fossil fuel industry. Obama, who presided over the repudiation of the Kyoto Accords and has done nothing to halt the emission of greenhouse gases, reversed 20 years of federal policy when he permitted the expansion of fracking and offshore drilling. And this acquiescence to big oil and big coal, no doubt useful in bringing in campaign funds, spells disaster for the planet. He has authorized drilling in federally protected lands, along the East Coast, Alaska and four miles off Florida’s Atlantic beaches. Candidate Obama in 2008 stood on the Florida coastline and vowed never to permit drilling there.

            You get the point. Obama is not in charge. Romney would not be in charge. Politicians are the public face of corporate power. They are corporate employees. Their personal narratives, their promises, their rhetoric and their idiosyncrasies are meaningless. And that, perhaps, is why the cost of the two presidential campaigns is estimated to reach an obscene $2.5 billion. The corporate state does not produce a product that is different. It produces brands that are different. And brands cost a lot of money to sell.

            You can dismiss those of us who will in protest vote for a third-party candidate and invest our time and energy in acts of civil disobedience. You can pride yourself on being practical. You can swallow the false argument of the lesser of two evils. But ask yourself, once this nightmare starts kicking in, who the real sucker is.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:41 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2690

            Let's see now, if our ambassador's in Libya death and the death of other staff there, (per Imbecile Comrade Obama) - are merely "bumps in the road". Then it would seem that all opinions expressed here are so insignificant as to be as noticeable as fly poop. Ain't it grand though that in America, facts about Comrade/King/Dip-stick Obama can be freely ignored by the moronic gimmie free stuff folks.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 3:15 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            WillK: There has been some discussion regarding the "47% tape made or released by Carter. I have not heard in the news or in discussions as to what "question" Gov. Romney was answering when he made his remarks. Knowing the question would be key to the context and answer
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            Audience member: For the last three years, all everybody's been told is, "Don't worry, we'll take care of you." How are you going to do it, in two months before the elections, to convince everybody you've got to take care of yourself?

            Romney: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. And I mean, the president starts off with 48, 49, 48—he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And he'll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean that's what they sell every four years. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is convince the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents that are thoughtful, that look at voting one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not, what it looks like. I mean, when you ask those people…we do all these polls—I find it amazing—we poll all these people, see where you stand on the polls, but 45 percent of the people will go with a Republican, and 48 or 4…

            me: his job is not to worry about those people.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 3:06 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: Rasmussen and Gallup are the only two pollsters who are close to reality, with the others guilty of oversampling of Democrats, poor techniques for identifying likely voters and even poorer methodologies for modeling the likely demographic makeup of voters who will actually turn out. On the latter point, many are using the results of 2008 even though surveys show that Obama has lost support in almost every group that turned out for him them. Some even predict him doing better than in 2008 which is preposterous.

            Do they know they are guilty of serious errors in methodology? They likely do but it is probably intentional as they're hoping to discourage potential GOP donors who they hope might consider their "investment" to be a waste of time.
            -----------------------------------------
            Rasmussen uses an automated survey which by federal law doesn't reach nearly 1/3 households which only
            use cell phones.
            Gallup doesn't interview an appropriate amount of minorities.
            GOP donors are wasting their time and money with any type of an "investment" towards a Rmoney election.

             
          • Atlantic Extremist posted at 12:07 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

            Atlantic Extremist Posts: 60

            Good job, Frank. Thanks you from all of us. BTW, you're kind of famous now:http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/missing_piece_surfaces_in_the_obama_puzzle.html

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 10:14 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            menjo posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            I have but three words in reference to your post:

            DIS GUS TING..............!!!

             
          • Reagan-Dem posted at 9:35 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            Reagan-Dem Posts: 21

            Frank. isn't it customary to give to give page numbers in footnotes? How does one check these out, or
            is this an attempt to trick us into reading all these right-wing books?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:14 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            WillK: They are reporting their wish rather than the news.

            HTC: Rasmussen and Gallup are the only two pollsters who are close to reality, with the others guilty of oversampling of Democrats, poor techniques for identifying likely voters and even poorer methodologies for modeling the likely demographic makeup of voters who will actually turn out. On the latter point, many are using the results of 2008 even though surveys show that Obama has lost support in almost every group that turned out for him them. Some even predict him doing better than in 2008 which is preposterous.

            Do they know they are guilty of serious errors in methodology? They likely do but it is probably intentional as they're hoping to discourage potential GOP donors who they hope might consider their "investment" to be a waste of time.


             
          • kohana posted at 8:22 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            menjo posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            http://snopes.com/politics/obama/stance.asp

            This is an e-mail/internet puff piece so don't be taken in. Go to snopes, it was updated on 20 Sept 2012.

            Was originally satire by John Semmens in a column found on the web site of The Arizona Conservative. It has been attributed to Meet the Press; Washington Post; and Concordia College.

             
          • menjo posted at 7:23 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            menjo Posts: 1


            Here's another article that needs to be seen.
            People were not listening. Pay attention to the last paragraph.

            Forward this as received, but without comment.

            DO NOT ADD A SINGLE WORD

            Yes, he told us in advance what he planned to do. Few were listening.

            The following is a narrative taken from a 2008 Sunday morning televised "Meet The Press'.

            From Sunday's 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised "Meet the Press" THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag.

            General Bill Gann' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain WHY he domesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

            The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171...

            During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, "Stand and Face It".

            NOW GET THIS !!

            'Senator Obama replied:

            "As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides". "There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression.." "The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing."

            (ARE YOU READY FOR THIS???)

            Obama continued: "The National Anthem should be 'swapped' for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing'. If that were our anthem, then, I might salute it. In my opinion, we should consider reinventing our National Anthem as well as 'redesign' our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we, as a Nation of warring people, conduct ourselves like the nations of Islam, where peace prevails - - - perhaps a state or period of mutual accord could exist between our governments ......"

            When I become President, I will seek a pact of agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation, have placed upon the nations of Islam, an unfair injustice which is WHY my wife disrespects the Flag and she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past".

            "Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put my hatred aside. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First black Family. Indeed,CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America "

            Yes, you read it right.

            I, for one, am speechless!!!


            Dale Lindsborg , Washington Post

            EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA NEEDS

            TO READ THIS, KEEP IT GOING ! !
            SAVE AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE ! !

             
          • WillK posted at 7:20 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            WillK Posts: 66

            There has been some discussion regarding the "47% tape made or released by Carter. I have not heard in the news or in discussions as to what "question" Gov. Romney was answering when he made his remarks. Knowing the question would be key to the context and answer.
            The so called "news" is touting what a bad week Romney has had lately. But the candidates are in a dead heat. They are reporting their wish rather than the news. The bad week is totally Obama's with the middle east situation, Iran, Fast and Furious, recent jobs report, etc., etc., etc.
            Additionally, why aren't the Obama executive orders in the news or part of the campaign discussion? Look into this area, it is frightening as far as the constitution and freedom are concerned.
            The so called "press" has not asked Obama an adult question in six years. It is no wonder that they are do distrusted and without any semblance of credibility.
            Best wishes,
            Willk

             
          • kohana posted at 6:03 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            FRANK where are youuuuuuuu? Your 2 cents worth made it into the American Thinker today!!! It has at least 133 comments. I'm going to go read them and see how many are pro your article.

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/09/missing_piece_surfaces_in_the_obama_puzzle.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:57 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: I'd guess you rather elect the 1st president that couldn't figure out why you can't open an airplane window.

            HTC: No, I'd rather elect Romney who is FAR more scientifically literate than you or your guy and therefore knows that it's more than technically feasible to design a passenger plane which can be safely and quickly depressurized so that you can ventilate the occupied areas in case of onboard fire. We've had that ability in fighter and other military aircraft for a very long time.

            I guess you folks get your news VERY late in the game.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 3:30 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:46 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.
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            How many frigging times have you pointed out that Obama disqualifies himself as president?
            Well guess what? Your good ol boy mittens disqualifies himself by paying a dollar more in taxes than he is legally required. It has nothing to do with taxes or labels you accuse me of making. You are the name caller, not I. If you associate Rmoney with SCUM, so be it. He reminds me of Snidley Whiplash. I told you that months ago.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:27 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            That simply tells me two things:

            (1) It's primarily Democrats who underpay their employees and take advantage of them. They'll preach until the cows come home about "living wages", just don't expect them to pay them themselves unless they can do so with taxpayer funds.

            (2) Republicans understand much better than Democrats that quality is ALWAYS more important than quantity. That's why they excel at hiring good people and paying them accordingly, rather than taking a shotgun approach to problems. It also appears that Romney's approach is working, since honest polls show this as a dead heat and that it has been for a few months now. That's always been particulary bad news for incumbent, particularly when he's got the mainstream media doing much of his work for him.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 3:22 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            I'd guess you rather elect the 1st president that couldn't figure out why you can't open an airplane window.

            http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-beverly-hills-fundraiser-20120922,0,2317962.story

            .....Romney’s wife, Ann, was in attendance, and the candidate spoke of the concern he had for her when her plane had to make an emergency landing Friday en route to Santa Monica because of an electrical malfunction.

            “I appreciate the fact that she is on the ground, safe and sound. And I don’t think she knows just how worried some of us were,” Romney said. “When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem. So it’s very dangerous. And she was choking and rubbing her eyes. Fortunately, there was enough oxygen for the pilot and copilot to make a safe landing in Denver. But she’s safe and sound.”

            The crowd also heard from comedian Dennis Miller.....

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:21 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Heard of Foxconn, the big Chinese manufacturing concern which makes the iPhones and iPads for Apple? Well, seems that violence has recently erupted at some of their facilities where workers are paid so little they have to live in corporate dormatories and eat in corporate cafeterias. It's also recently come out that they've been required to work 60+ hours a week without an overtime pay.

            Didn't hear much about that in the liberal media, did you?

            Of course, not, because Steve Jobs was another Obama-like 'messiah' in their eyes and a fellow progressive, AND they just love their iPhones and iPads!

            Imagine the screaming we'd be hearing if Romney owned that company!

            Hypocrites!

             
          • jennydoe posted at 3:15 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTC: Hmmm, Romney succeeds at finance while Obama fails
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            By Matea Gold

            September 24, 2012, 12:17 p.m.
            WASHINGTON -- One of the big challenges Mitt Romney faced after effectively clinching the GOP presidential nomination in late April was ramping up his campaign to match the behemoth operation President Obama already had in place across the country.
            The Republican challenger finally caught up last month – at least when measured by money.

            The Romney campaign spent $4.04 million on payroll in August -- nearly twice as much as it spent in July -- while the Obama campaign spent $4.37 million, according to campaign finance disclosures filed last week with the Federal Election Commission.

            But the president appears to be getting a much bigger bang for his buck.

            According to an analysis by the Times Data Desk, part of the Los Angeles Times, the Obama campaign had 901 people on its payroll last month, and paid them a median salary of $3,074 a month, or $36,886 a year.

            The Romney campaign, in contrast, had 403 people on its payroll, and paid them a median salary of $6,437 in August, which would mean $77,250 a year.

            A Romney campaign official said the median staff salary is actually $51,500 a year. The August payroll may have been inflated by back pay owed to new employees, the official said.

            (Our calculations do not include the $207,500 in bonuses that the campaign paid Aug. 31 to nine top Romney officials. Recipients included campaign manager Matt Rhoades, field director Rich Beeson, policy director Lanhee Chen, and communications director Gail Gitcho. A campaign spokeswoman said the bonuses were tied to Romney’s primary wins, and were paid after the GOP national convention, pursuant to their employment agreements.)

            The disparity in the two campaigns’ compensation packages underscores a key difference in their strategic approach.

            Much of Obama’s campaign staff consists of on-the-ground organizers deployed around the country early this year as part of a field program designed to identify and register Obama voters, and ultimately get them to cast ballots.

            The Romney campaign has taken a different tack. It is relying on the Republican National Committee for the bulk of its voter registration and mobilization program this fall.

            Nevertheless, the RNC appears to have a smaller staff than the Democratic National Committee. Last month, it employed 208 people, paying them a median annual salary of $40,814. The DNC had 291 staffers who were on track to make a median annual salary of $35,394.

            http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-romney-staff-expense-20120924,0,2707799.story

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:09 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            A while back, I posted some data about what a ripoff CFLs were - that they don't last nearly as long as 'rated' life and, on average, lose 40% of their light output over each year's time. So, when replaced regularly to provide roughly the same actual illumination levels as the equivalent incandescent, they actually cost about 30X the 25-cent Chinese incandescent (which they've banned). That's far more than you'd ever save in electrical power used for illumination and they're even bad environmentally!

            Well, thanks to the 'environmentalists' and subsidies from the federal government (thanks, Obama!), we now have 30% more efficient incandescent bulbs to replace CFLs. They offer full brightness instantly, are dimmable (unlike most CFLs), don't lose their luminance like CFLs do, and are "environmentally friendly." They cost roughly one-third the price of the equivalent CFL but use roughly three times more power, so their cost is a equivalent.

            Or is it?

            I recently tried some in my office (Philips EcoVantage) and, last night, the first one burned out. This morning, the other two burned out.

            Time in operation? Three months. Yes, a mere three months.

            So I decided to read the package they'd come in (who normally reads such things for incandescent bulbs, right?) and discovered that their 'rated' life is .9 years (nine-tenths of a year or 10.8 months), PROVIDED that you only use it 3 hours a day on average. Well, I'm in my office 10-12 hours per day, so it turns out they were due to expire when they did, in fact, do just that.

            More wonderous goodies being forced on us by those brainiacs called progressives.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:50 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe: Rmoney prays. Obama reads.

            HTC: Hmmm, Romney succeeds at finance while Obama fails. Romney creates jobs while Obama leaves us with a net loss of jobs after four years. Romney builds successful companies while Obama says he didn't build that (what else could he say since his greatest achievement is getting to the White House WITHOUT any achievements!)

            Maybe your guy should start praying.

            Oh, wait - I forget. You care more about talking skills than actual results. My bad.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:46 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            jennydoe posted at 12:21 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            You progressives are indeed a particularly pathetic lot.

            Romney pays less taxes than you think he should and, by your way of 'thinking', he's scum.

            He pays MORE taxes than he legally had to and you think he's scum.

            That idiot and hypocrite Harry Reid even asks what else Romney might be hiding in his returns because now we know he 'cheated' and overpaid on his taxes.

            Incredible!

            Meanwhile, Obama refers to the death of Chris Stevens as a mere "bump in the road" and you're fine with that. He doesn't even address the nation afterwards, as the Middle East erupts in violence, and you're fine with that. He continues to insist that it was a "spontaneous" reaction to a stupid move trailer, even AFTER his own administration finally admits it was "self-evidently" a coordinated terrrorist attack, and you're fine with that.

            And then you wonder why we look at all of you as the "self evident" fools that your are!

            Incredible!


             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:33 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            kohana posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            Did anybody watch "60 Minutes" last night? I didn't as I pulled the plug on cable TV last month, but this morning's Washington Examiner has an article by Conn Carroll, "Obama's 60 minutes interview could have been even worse"

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

            I saw part of Romney's interview in which he faired well. I cut to another channel so I wouldn't be forced to puke when Obamarama came on.

             
          • Pashta posted at 1:35 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            Pashta Posts: 7

            Thank you for finding this. I'm glad someone is doing research, very few in the media actually are.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 1:15 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            kohana posted at 12:20 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe posted at 10:08 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            That's pretty pathetic jennydoe, Romney defends his views, and does have a plan, whereas Obama makes excuses, blames others, and has no plans at all. Romney is not an orator, but even with a teleprompter Obama couldn't get through the interview in good form. BTW, they weren't on the show at the same time.
            ---------------
            I posted the video for your convience. So you could form your own opinion. I never implied they were on at the same time. Get your panties out of their bunch.
            Rmoney prays. Obama reads.

             
          • bill39 posted at 12:47 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            Looks like pro American posts here have overrun the sorrysob's voicing their opinions for the left. Good job.

             
          • mbolce01 posted at 12:44 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            mbolce01 Posts: 1

            more background on the guy called barack hussein obama...

            http://www.ourcommunistcommanderinchief.com/

            watch the video to know

             
          • Gradivus posted at 12:31 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            Gradivus Posts: 1

            Good research!

             
          • jennydoe posted at 12:21 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            By Romney’s Own Standard, His Tax Returns Would Disqualify Him From The Presidency
            By Aviva Shen on Sep 21, 2012 at 2:10 pm

            Mitt Romney will disclose his 2011 tax on Friday, along with a summary going back 20 years. The campaign has published the following summary:

            In 2011, the Romneys paid $1,935,708 in taxes on $13,696,951 in mostly investment income.

            The Romneys’ effective tax rate for 2011 was 14.1%.

            The Romneys donated $4,020,772 to charity in 2011, amounting to nearly 30% of their income.

            The Romneys claimed a deduction for $2.25 million of those charitable contributions.

            The Romneys’ generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year.

            The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor’s statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.

            Romney has previously defended his low tax rate — which, at 14.1% is significantly less than many middle class families pay — by saying he is simply being pragmatic in meeting his legal requirements:

            I don’t pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don’t think I’d be qualified to become president. I’d think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.

            If Romney had taken all of the deductions available to him under the tax code, he would have paid closer to a 9 percent tax rate in 2011. In attempting to match up his tax rate with his prior statement, Romney is paying more in taxes — and by his very own standard — disqualifying himself from the presidency. It’s worth noting that under Romney’s tax plan, he would cut his own rates even further, and would have paid little to no taxes under Paul Ryan’s 2010 budget, which would have eliminated the capital gains tax.

            http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/09/21/890451/by-romneys-own-standard-his-tax-returns-would-disqualify-him-from-the-presidency/

             
          • kohana posted at 12:20 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            jennydoe posted at 10:08 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012

            That's pretty pathetic jennydoe, Romney defends his views, and does have a plan, whereas Obama makes excuses, blames others, and has no plans at all. Romney is not an orator, but even with a teleprompter Obama couldn't get through the interview in good form. BTW, they weren't on the show at the same time.

            Did you by any chance read JB post of:
            JBSTONE posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012

            I would suggest you scroll down and read it. You might learn something about Romney.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:29 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Romney got a chance in his portion of the 60 Minutes interview, after releasing tax returns showing he paid an effective rate of 14.1 percent last year, to defend the rate, saying:

            ROMNEY: It is a low rate. And one of the reasons why the capital gains tax rate is lower is because capital has already been taxed once at the corporate level, as high as thirty-five percent."

            PELLEY: So you think it is fair?

            ROMNEY: Yeah, I -- I think it's -- it's the right way to encourage economic growth, to get people to invest, to start businesses, to put people to work.

            It is also worth noting that Romney's rate is not that out of sync with that of other Americans. A Tax Foundation report found at least 90 percent of Americans recently had a lower effective rate than the 13.9 percent rate Romney had in his earlier 2010 filing.

            But, then, there are those on the left who will never be persuaded by the facts....

             
          • mtcarmel posted at 11:21 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            mtcarmel Posts: 19

            Tiny 1950, Mooseberryinn, georgeeboy, grundoon, High Tech Cowboy, JBSTONE and others with good points of support of Frank's column..
            I hope you will all write letters to the editor to be published in the Interlake.

            Americans need to stand up for America before she is no more. Our time is so short.
            You've all made good points and your input may hit home with those who are still blind to the truth.
            Please write letters for publication.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:14 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            kohana: Over the course of just 15 minutes, Obama referred to the murder of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens as just “a bump in the road,” he dismissed Israel’s concern that Iran will obtain nuclear weapons as “noise,” he called Israel just “one of our closest allies in the region,” he offered a third version of what his biggest disappointment as president was since July, he lied about not raising taxes on the middle class (the CBO confirmed Obamacare did that just last week), and he lied about not cutting Medicare (his Medicare Advantage cuts alone constitute a cut in benefits).

            HTC: Obama is as clueless as his supporters, including the lamestream media; hence, they'll hang together all the way down.

            Now that we know HOW he got into Harvard, it's obvious why he didn't want to release his transcripts.

            I laughed when he said this during the interview:

            "Change has happened and positive change for the American people. I'm the first one to confess that the spirit that I brought to Washington, that I wanted to see instituted, where we weren't constantly in a political slugfest but were focused more on problem solving that, you know, I haven't fully accomplished that."

            No, he came to a Washington that was on fire with partisanship and proceeded to pour gasoline on it with his constant attacks on the GOP and conservatives, his "Need I remind you that we won?" rhetoric , his frequent exclusion of the GOP from policy-making discussions, and his constant class warfare and attacks on business and success.

            But as is SO typical for Obama, he refuses to see his own hand in it.

            The man is simply an amazing display of self-delusion and incompetence.


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:05 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Rob123: .......heck,I agree with 49% of it!

            HTC: Would that be the non-taxpaying 49%? [rolleyes]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:34 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.
            "In short, they may well become a major voting block which is ultimately "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" and, by doing so, become as great a challenge for the Democrats as for the GOP."

            I certainly hope so. P.S.....good response.......heck,I agree with 49% of it! [wink]

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:08 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            kohana, here is a link to the 60 minutes interviews....

            http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/09/dueling-obama-romney-60-minutes-interviews.php?ref=fpa

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:58 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Rob123: Demographic Trends in the Republican Party

            HTC: The changing demographic trends in the COUNTRY are far more significant and not only represent challenges for both parties but also for the preservation of this Constitutional Republic.

            The babyboomer generation (mine) brought incredible changes to the national cultural, political and economic world, some good and some bad. We rejected the moral, economic and social norms of our day and actively set out to "revolutionize" our world. As is true of all revolutions, the end result was a mixed bag.

            Many of the boomers embraced the failed philosophies of Marx which they then translated into a quest for "social justice." They soon rejected the concept of war and national defense in any context and began to rewrite the Constitution so that the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" became rights to food, housing, transportation, medical care, etc.

            The boomers were aided by the old Marxists who already had a strong presence in our public schools and especially our universities and these senior socialists were more than happy to reward, promote and assist those from this new generation who would carry their torch into the national scene and national government. They were not going to allow to pass by the opportunity to create an army of up to 80 million indoctrinated supporters. They knew that far more of us would go to college than was the case with past generations and this would be their chance to seize upon the natural "progressivism" of the young idealist mind.

            As we came of voting age and became the new generation of teachers and politicians, we continued the liberalization of our education system and our national politics. We helped to build and grow the "Great Society" which now costs 70% of the budget and will grow to over 90% by the end of the decade and which now has over $200T in unfunded liabilities.

            In the end, we proved that one generation can make a HUGE difference in national direction and outcomes.

            So, what changes in perpective and direction might OUR children bring?

            Studies by Zogby, Pew and others along with census data shows that our children's generation, which many label "the Globals", view themselves more as "world citizens" than Americans and don't believe in American exceptionalism nor that we're the "land of opportunity" any longer.

            They're largely ignorant of the Constitution and generally regard it as "old" and "irrelevant", written by "rich slave holders." 40% of them are Hispanic, African-American or Asian Pacific. They are more likely than any other groups to call themselves "liberal" and they are strongly Democratic leaning.

            The attacks of 9/11 did not engender a surge of patriotism in them but rather a desire to "undertand our enemy" and why they did this. They consider "history" to be "old", and therefore irrelevant as a source of wisdom and understanding, and believe that ALL people are rational and that simply "communicating" and "understanding each other" will lead to cultural acceptance and enable world peace to become a reality.

            These are the myths and nonsense that my generation's progressives taught them in public schools and our colleges and universities; but, what we didn't teach them was patience, humility and sound reasoning. They want everything yesterday and have the greatest sense of entitlement of any generation to walk our soil.

            While so much of their mindset would appear to be good for the Democrats and bad for the GOP, they represent some real challenges for the Dems as well.

            First off, they are impatient and expect results yesterday. The Democrats' fiscal and economic policies will NOT be able to deliver the utopian world they've promised to them and half of them are now graduating from college and unable to find work, forcing them to move back in with their parents.

            Secondly, many of them are now beginning to realize that the massive debt being run up by the "Great Society" will have to be paid by THEM and their children and they're starting to get resentful of that and the Democrats' reluctance to seriously address the problem.

            Thirdly, many of them are now starting to come to grips with the realities of life when it comes to the taxes and regulatory burdens they must deal with, especially if they try to start a business because they couldn't find a job. Many know people who are cheating the system and actually proud of it and that is beginning to rub raw those who are trying to make it the right way. Many resent government's restrictions on their freedoms and choice (e.g., the personal mandate in ObamaCare) and being expected to pay for the 'poor', the sick, the elderly and even those in this country illegally.

            In short, they may well become a major voting block which is ultimately "fiscally conservative and socially liberal" and, by doing so, become as great a challenge for the Democrats as for the GOP.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:17 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Did anybody watch "60 Minutes" last night? I didn't as I pulled the plug on cable TV last month, but this morning's Washington Examiner has an article by Conn Carroll, "Obama's 60 minutes interview could have been even worse" Oh, and Bronco, you just might want to read this.

            http://washingtonexaminer.com/morning-examiner-obamas-60-minutes-interview-could-have-been-even-worse/article/2508841

            September 24, 2012 | 7:59 am

            Last Friday, Gallup released a poll showing that distrust in the media is at an all time high. According to Gallup, this mistrust is driven largely by Republicans and independents who are “quite dissatisfied” with the ability of the liberal media to produce “fair and accurate news coverage of this election.” One only need to look at this Sunday’s edition of 60 Minutes to see that conservatives have every right to their beliefs.

            Over the course of just 15 minutes, Obama referred to the murder of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens as just “a bump in the road,” he dismissed Israel’s concern that Iran will obtain nuclear weapons as “noise,” he called Israel just “one of our closest allies in the region,” he offered a third version of what his biggest disappointment as president was since July, he lied about not raising taxes on the middle class (the CBO confirmed Obamacare did that just last week), and he lied about not cutting Medicare (his Medicare Advantage cuts alone constitute a cut in benefits).

            But of course CBS did not challenge him on any of this. If Mitt Romney had made any of the above foreign policy statements, or had so blatantly lied about his domestic record, the coverage would have been nothing short of disastrous. When Obama does it, the liberal media just sighs and looks the other way.

            But that is not even the worst part. Apparently, during the course of the interview, Obama admitted that his ads “go overboard” and that “mistakes are made.” Mistakes? What mistakes? Which Obama ads have been false and gone overboard? Not only did CBS not challenge Obama on this, they did not even air this portion of the interview.

            And then the liberal media wonders why conservatives and independents don’t trust them.

            From The Washington Examiner

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:03 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Bronco posted at 9:52 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012

            You know, you have a nasty habit of attacking people instead of debating ideas; but, that's what small minds which lack ideas and vision do.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:54 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Tiny 1950: ... the middle-class cannot continue to carry the load for everyone not able to find jobs, they are barely able to support themselves & their families! Our country is in terrible shape & if Obama is re-elected we can look forward to more major problems, even worse then we have seen, I hope the American people will "wake up & realize this" before they pull the lever in the voting booths in November.

            HTC: I wish the middle class understood that the feel-good "social justice" sought by Obama and his party and which masquerades as a "war on the rich" and business is really a war on the middle class itself. The massive redistribution of wealth that they seek, which is really the theft of badly needed capital from our economic engine, coupled with the even higher regulatory burden, is the primary reason why middle class incomes have been languishing for a very long time.

            Monies that business could have used to give raises, better beneftis, upgrade equipment and hire more people was taken by the government, either directly through taxes, or indirectly due to our massive regulatory burden which is the highest in the developed world.

            The burden on small business is much worse than it is on big business and small business accounts for 70% of the jobs in this country.

            Economists were estimating at the time of Obama's swearing in, that the regulatory burden in this country placed a hidden 4 TRILLION DOLLAR per year tax on the economy! They estimate the additional burden imposed by Obama's "financial reform" and ObamaCare, as well as his many regulatory executive orders, will amount to an additional half-trillion dollars a year in new regulatory burdens and necessitate the hiring of nearly 20,000 more bureaucrats to enforce.

            Can you imagine the jobs that could be created and the growth in incomes that would be made possible by freeing up that $4.5T/yr. as more "fuel" for our economic engine?

            The simple fact is that Obama's redistribution, which he has made clear he has always believed in, is bad for the rich, business AND the middle class. The only "winners" are those receiving those funds who've done nothing to deserve them nor have they done their "fair share" for our country.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 8:45 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Tiny 1950 posted at 12:42 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012:

            Stick around.....it'll get worse before it gets better, but we've go to help one another get through this.......thank you for your kind words.

            j.b.

            [smile]

             
          • Gyst53 posted at 7:03 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Obama Executive Orders to Date… Please read and understand their Democracy Implications!!!

            http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/executive-orders/obama-subjects.html

            “The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, and more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes.
            As a result of the war, corporations (countries) have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money powers of the country will endeavor to prolong it’s reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.
            --Abraham Lincoln

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:16 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            Well done Frank. Unfortunately, our Obama worshippers will not be convinced even a tiny bit. All of the facts presented will be considered merely conservative propaganda. Hopefully, enough smarter Americans will turn out to vote this unsavory character out of office. It is so sad that our "news" media has been corrupted to slant any news about the "good" Comrade Obama. Apparently they do not understand that when they are no longer needed by the regime, they will be out of a job. It remains a mystery why/how so many people could believe a totally inexperienced junior senator/community organizer promising everything to everyone could be (or is) an effective President. (???). Why he would sacrifice Isreal for his own gains is at least much clearer.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 4:56 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

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            HTC: Don't try to confuse our poor liberals with facts; after all, they're totally into fake. That's why they like Obama so much.
            --------
            So why did Rmoney have to put on a fake tan to talk with selected Hispanics?


             
          • Tiny 1950 posted at 12:42 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

            Tiny 1950 Posts: 1

            I want to tthank Mr. Frank Miele for his "hands on" column concerning Obama, I have been wondering about Obama since 2008 with his perfect public speaking & his "candy coated" words, I read awhile back that he was taught by Rev. Jermiah Wright how to stand & speak at a podium. I am presently reading "Muslim Mafia". the small portion I have read thus far has "chills running down my spine", the citizens of the United States do not want to see or hear how dangerous Obama is & if he is re-elected he will finish the destruction of the Constitution & America as we know it, if someone would have told me that as a "baby boomer" I would see things as has happened & that the citizens of the U.S. were going to re-elect the man who caused these problems, I would have told this individual he/she was "insane" & did not know what they were talking about. As I have been reading about Gov. Romney, the things that have been written & said about him & especially that recording of "47% of the people are being taken care of by the government", I came across an article that was written about Pres. Jimmy Carter's grandson, James Carter telling how he was the one that made the recording at the banquet with Gov. Romney & he then called Pres. Carter telling him what he had done & the contains of the tape. It was explained that James had made this tape because he did not like several items that Gov. Romney kept bringing up about Pres. Carter's foreign policy & other things that he stood for during his presidency, Pres. Carter congratulated James "on a job well done" & James wanting to advance in the Democratic Party, gave the tape to someone else to have it exposed. As I now know by reading JBStone's comments, whoever James gave the tape to did not release the complete context taped to the public & as usual the news media throughly enjoyed tearing Gov. Romney & his political campaign apart. My husband has almost banned me from listening to the world news in the evenings as my blood pressure goes through the roof & he's afraid I'll destroy the television set. People of the U.S. do not want to realize that Obama was brought up in the Marxist doctrine & he will not try to accept that their is another side to that doctrine & that he is also a Muslim wanting to make America a Muslim country.

            The U.S. Department of Labor is forcing small town industries in America to go with proposed changes to H-2B which is the migrant worker laws & this is causing major problems for a small town in the state which I reside. Reports were made to the Workers Rights Consortium, a labor rights group based in Washington, D.C. by some migrant workers that a place of business was abusing them & working conditions were brutal which caused a potential overhaul of H-2B visa program rules. The Department of Labor ordered the business to pay fines, back wages & damages amounting to almost $250,000 which caused the business to close its doors & the migrant workers no longer have jobs. Nonagricultoral businesses hire temporary foreign employees which is allowed by H-2B & through this program employers bring up to 66,000 migrant workers into the country each year but with changes made to the bill by Congress these workers would get significantly higher pay which would be well above minimum wage & would also guarantee their pay should a hurricane, other disaster cause the business to shut down for a season. This will help the migrant workers but would drive up labor costs forcing some businesses to close & these businesses hire 800 of these workers or other businesses to downsize causing a loss of U.S. jobs & less activity in the local economy of our state according to Immigration Works USA. If these workers are allowed to stay in America after the loss of their jobs, they will increase the Medicaid roll causing some of our citizens not to receive benefits to feed their families or for medical services, who will "foot the bill" for our people to survive, the middle-class cannot continue to carry the load for everyone not able to find jobs, they are barely able to support themselves & their families! Our country is in terrible shape & if Obama is re-elected we can look forward to more major problems, even worse then we have seen, I hope the American people will "wake up & realize this" before they pull the lever in the voting booths in November.

             
          • Bronco posted at 9:52 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            HTC: clever reparte
            ------------------
            I guess that includes the accompanying videos of Romney and the idiots on Fox News contradicting themselves? That's not clever; that's just being real. YSAA.

             
          • grundoon posted at 9:43 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            Cut and paste the link below into your browser. It is Gilbert's movie version of his new book "Dreams of My REAL Father". It may well explain why Obama was chosen out of all the "foreign" students based on his "real" father's (according to Gibert) connections in Chicago.

            www.OCCIC.com

             
          • kohana posted at 6:32 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Welcome Georgeeboy! I don't remember reading that article in 1979, but bet my mother did. She wrote a Master's thesis on Malcolm X in 1969-1970. Unfortunately, she is no longer with us. I miss being able to discuss a lot of the political changes going on now, with her. She was a very politically aware person. Did her darnest to get me involved, but I wasn't too interested, I'm sorry to say. But eventually we have to be responsible for the decision we make. If you find out who leaned on Percy Sutton to get Obama into Harvard Law, do let us know.

             
          • georgeeboy posted at 5:18 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            I'm old enough to remember that article and to remember Warden before he became Al-Mansour. Remember, as a black man in my early 30s, trying to figure out how "to get me some of that money". Yes, this all fits together perfectly and is consistent with everything else we are gradually learning about Obama, including who leaned on Percy Sutton (Al-Mansour!!!) for a recommendation to get Obama into Harvard Law School when nobody else who really, really knew Obama would touch it with a 1,000 foot pole.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:54 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/demographic-trends-in-the-republican-party/

            Demographic Trends in the Republican Party

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUPMrxQgaIQ
            "It is inevitable that the socially conservative 23% of the oldest population group will die off and do so fairly quickly. They will almost all be gone within two decades. In addition to reducing the total membership of the party by as much as a third, they will also leave behind a party with very little interest in social conservatism. You can draw your own conclusions from this, but at the very least it means that prioritizing social issues is a big mistake in the long term as it turns away younger voters and panders to a vocal minority which won't be around for long."
            http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/demographic-trends-in-the-republican-party/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:43 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            JBSTONE posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012

            Don't try to confuse our poor liberals with facts; after all, they're totally into fake. That's why they like Obama so much.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:28 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            louisa: ...now he has his own flag. my way of thinking thats very scary.

            HTC: Indeed. The cult of personality has always been a central part of Marxism/communism; sadly, his supporters are just as ignorant of that as they are of almost every other lesson of history.

             
          • lousia posted at 4:14 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            lousia Posts: 196

            Thanks Frank for a very good column, I had heard and read some of this about Obama before, especially the communist part and i agree with who wrote it in the comments i guess if you are a communists its all good to you.and if he gets back in it will be worse for America, now he has his own flag. my way of thinking thats very scary. America does not need another flag we have had lots of military men and women die under this one, very brave people who gave the most, so its very sad, someone comes along and thinks they are good and done enough to deserve this flag in America.I seen the flags side by side so don't tell me different.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:48 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            That SOB won't answer you because he's just a malcontent sniper.

            [thumbdown]

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:36 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.


            ...........excellent [and scary] point.................[thumbup]

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 2:35 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Interesting

            http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=150969

            The FULL quote and context of Romney’s “47%” statement

            NY Post Commenter Dan Maloy

            Home - by BigFurHat - September 23, 2012 - 12:38 America/New_York - 8 Comments

            Anybody out there want to know the FULL quote and context of Romney’s “47%” statement? Here it is…

            Here is the question that was asked that generated the Romney statement plus the ENTIRE Romney quote, not some cherry-picked, parsing of a few key words:

            [list]Question: “For the past three years, all everybody’s been told is, “Don’t worry. We’ll take care of you.” How are you going to do it, in two months before the elections to convince everybody, you’ve got to take care of yourself?”.

            Romney reply: “Uh, well there are 47% of the people who will VOTE for the President no matter what. All right, there are 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon the government, who believe that, that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to healthcare, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will VOTE for this President no matter what. And the, the President starts off with 48,49, 4–, he starts off with a huge number. These are people who pay no income tax. 47 percent of Americans pay no income tax. So our MESSAGE of low taxes doesn’t connect. He’ll be out there talking about tax cuts for the rich. I mean, that’s what they sell every, every 4 years. And, uh, so my job is not to worry about those few. I’ll never CONVINCE them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. What I have to do is to CONVINCE the 5 to 10 percent in the center that are independents, that are thoughtful, that look at VOTING one way or the other depending upon in some cases emotion, whether they like the guy or not……”.[/list]

            FACT #1 – This was at a fundraiser for a Presidential election. To win an election requires votes. In this quote Romney used the words “vote” (twice), “message” (once), “convince” (twice) and “voting” (once). What are the odds that a guy running for President attending a fundraiser to help win that election might talk about VOTES and what he needs to do during the campaign to win those VOTES? I know, shocking, right?

            LOGICAL DEDUCTION: It’s not that Romney doesn’t “care” about that 47% as human beings, he was talking about the likelihood of winning their votes.

            FACT #2 – Despite not putting the 47% comment from Romney in any way, shape or form of the true context, liberals insist that Romney is simply a greedy, uncaring person. So let’s look at the kinds of things Romney has done with his life, shall we? Hard core liberals won’t believe it so you guys might as well just respond with hate right now. Independents and those who are not lemmings will look at this objectively and come to the irrefutable conclusion: Romney cares about people and has proven it through a life time of service to his fellow man.

            ROMNEY’S ALTRUISM / CHARITY.

            - Gave away his inheritance in 1998 to start / help fund the “George W. Romney Institute of Public Management” at BYU (his father, George Romney, died in 1995).

            - Donated his entire Olympics salary and severance package ($1.4M) to charity.

            - While governor of Massachusetts, at HIS request, served the people of MA at the salary of $1/year (that’s right, ONE DOLLAR).

            - Voluntarily served, without pay or re-compensation of funds, as a Mormon missionary for 30 months in his late teens/early twenties (you may not agree with what he taught but the fact is he did it on a volunteer basis with the belief that he was helping to bring people closer to Jesus).

            - Volunteer service to community as a church head pastor for 13 years all with ZERO pay (that’s right, none); 5 years as a “bishop” and 8 years as a “stake president”.

            - Would give ALL his Presidential salary ($1.6 Million total) back to the American taxpayers if elected (yes, he’s on record as committing to this).

            - Based on a net worth of $200-250M and his constant activity/involvement in his church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the ‘Mormons’), has given at least $20-25 MILLION to his church. (LDS church members pay tithing; one-tenth of what a person earns. The LDS church uses tithing donations to build and maintain churches and temples, print literature about Jesus Christ, etc. Can anyone dispute this is not “charitable” giving?) BTW, that is NOT including other charitable contributions to the LDS church in the form of “fast offerings”. Go look it up.

            - He also chose to NOT receive any Social Security payments upon turning 65 because, again, he knows he can take care of himself and therefore should not rely on our tax dollars to help fund his daily living. (BTW, that’s HIS money that he’s leaving in government accounts.)

            - Shut down most of his company, Bain Capital, and, at Romney’s expense, moved most of his employees to New York City to help find an employee’s missing daughter; set up a base of operations in a hotel room, posted thousands of flyers, talked to hundreds of shop owners, talked to thousands of people on the street, coordinated efforts with the police, worked with the media to air their search on TV. And…..when they finally did find her, a doctor said she was in such poor condition from a drug overdose she may not have survived another day.

            http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/pressed-for-anecdote-romney-recounts-tale-of-missing-girl/

            http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/03/19/mitt_romneys_core_113526-2.html (see pg 2).

            - Built a neighborhood playground & later did maintenance / upkeep on it for 5 years.

            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/313631/mitt-nobody-sees-katrina-trinko

            - Loaned money for someone to buy a home.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/10/us/politics/in-real-estate-deal-romney-made-his-loss-a-couples-gain.html?pagewanted=al

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            Not surprisingly, Hilary and her State Department are outraged over CNN's releasing some of the contents of Ambassador Christopher Stevens' diary which they found in the ruins in Benghazi, after they'd cooled down. Feigning concern for his family, she really wants to hide her department's incompetence in protecting him as he documents intelligence which suggested attacks were imminent, that he was being targeted by al Qaeda and their sympathizers, and his dismay that the Department was not increasing security measures.

            He also embarrassingly documents the rise of Islamic terrorism around the region and expresses his concerns that things might soon get out of hand, something his ignorant bosses continue to deny.

            I guess he had to die because her State Department certainly can't abide those who see things so clearly when it comes to the Islamists who are targeting us. Who knows, maybe they even gave the intel to the terrorists as to where he would be?

            http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/09/22/cnn-posts-report-on-diary-slain-ambassador-stevens-us-state-dept-says-family/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:15 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

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            kohana: Obama is a great actor and orator, with a teleprompter, but that is all he is. You make fun of Romney because he is a business man who makes great fiscal decisions and doesn't orate well about them?

            HTC: That's the way it's always been with progressives: form over substance, every time.

             
          • cake_crumb posted at 2:13 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            cake_crumb Posts: 1

            Is there any question left why the "Constitutional Law Professor", who actually worked as a guest lecturer and expert on racism, racist studies and Bytter Racist degrees (which the U of c does not award) gave himself a grade of "INCOMPLETE"?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:11 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            SorrySOB: The answer is none of the above. President Obama continues to be supported because most people know the alternative is much much worse.

            HTC: Worse than inheriting a recovery and turning it into the slowest recovery since the end of WW II? Worse than the $5000 decline in income for the median income household? Worse than a real unemployment rate of nearly 17%? Worse than a 42% increase in households receiving means-adjusted welfare of some kind? Worse than over 6 million middle class households being hit with the largest middle class tax hike in history, thanks to ObamaCare? Worse than almost 400,000 fewer jobs than when he took office? Worse than 50% of college grads not finding work or work in their chosen fields? Worse than twice as many people going on Social Security disability or welfare than found work in the previous quarter? Worse than four times as many people giving up finding a job last month, compared to the number of jobs created?

            Please explain how ANYONE could possibly be worse than that?

             
          • kohana posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Has anyone thoroughly looked over and examined all those hundreds of "executive orders" he has signed and put into effect? I have not but may start doing so, as I don't think he is intelligent or smart enough, to think up the plans to put them in place on his own.

            IMHO, Obama and his masters are frantic to get him reelected because he couldn't put all their plans into effect in the 4 years he had, thus the desperate begging to give him one more term. If he gets it, we'll be toast.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 1:25 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            IT's creeping up on us.............

            Muslims want permanent prayer rooms in high schools
            By Michael Aubry, QMI Agency

            Minister approves of Muslim prayer rooms

            Catholic high school opens Muslim prayer room

            OTTAWA - While Ottawa high schools profess to offer prayer rooms for Muslim students, an Islamic leader says they don’t have a permanent space and are often relegated to small classrooms, if they can get space at all.

            Washim Ahmed is the Islamic director of Carleton University’s Muslim Students’ Association and he leads a prayer service at more than half a dozen public high schools in Ottawa on Fridays.

            But he said none of the schools have permanent prayer rooms, and they’re often shuffled between classrooms or the gym, depending on what’s available.

            Sometimes, he said there simply isn’t a room they can use.

            “That’s highly problematic because (students) don’t have any security knowing whether they’re getting the rooms or not,” Ahmed said. “If there’s a room available, they’ll get it, otherwise they don’t.”

            A school in London, Ont., opened their first permanent prayer room earlier this week.

            But the Ottawa-Carleton District School Board said they always offer a multi-faith prayer room when students ask for one.

            There’s a demand for rooms at around 60% to 70% of their schools.

            “They are only accessible during non-instruction time and are supervised by staff,” said Walter Piovesan, the board’s associate director of education.

            He added none of the schools have permanent prayer rooms.

            “While there may be no dedicated room, there is a duty to accommodate under the Ontario Charter of Human Rights,” he said.

            But Ahmed argued the system is often disorganized, and Muslim students have to make arrangements each week to reserve a room.

            “It’s happened in a couple of schools where I went to lead the prayer and I couldn’t find a prayer spot,” he said. “It’s not organized, it’s just random.”

            The Catholic board said they offer quiet prayer space for any group upon request.

            Muslims are obligated to say five prayers per day at very specific times, culminating in the most important prayer, the Jumu’ah, on Friday shortly after noon.

            Carleton student Maged Arab, 23, said without a permanent prayer room, Muslims have to either find a quiet place at school or else cram in all five of their daily prayers into their evenings.

            “Thankfully, if there’s no prayer room, you’re excused and you can catch up on all the prayers when you get home from school,” he said.

            But Abdulaziz Dahir, 27, went to Sir Robert Borden High School and was thankful to be able to take part in the Friday prayer in one of the school’s English classes.

            “Looking back now, we would have wanted more time to pray at school but back then we were just happy to have a room at all,” he said.

            He added he understands it’s tough to find space for a permanent prayer room.

            Ahmed wants to see more co-operation between religious groups and school boards to help fund permanent multi-faith prayer rooms in Ottawa schools.

            Public high schools offering Friday prayer:

            Hillcrest High School: 30 to 40 students

            Richmond Hill High School: 15 to 20 students

            Bell high School: 100 to 150 students

            John McCrae High School: 30 to 40 students

            Sir Robert Borden High School: N/A

            michael.aubry@sunmedia.ca

             
          • kohana posted at 1:21 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rick S. We stand to lose our freedom, and Obama stands to gain the figurehead of the "One World Order" with the puppet masters pulling his strings. All the claim of fame and all the goodies are his if he makes the grade on his charisma and his ability to orate well, what is written for him.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 1:06 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            It is shocking that in today's era of mass, intensive, and instantaneous communications that so many questions are still raised about the most obvious aspects of a President's life. I doubt if they are unanswered about any other President that has ever held this country's highest office. It lessens his ability to function as a commander-in- chief among his other duties. We know more about Stalin, Marx, and practically any other political figure from the world around since antiquity. Why is that? I do not understand the reasoning behind it from the person himself. What is it that he gains? What is it that we may lose? RLS

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:35 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            HTC: ".....clever reparte.
            It's no wonder so many young people get their 'news' from Jon Stewart. It is the nature of the logic-challenged progressive mind to prefer witty denigration of those they disagree with over calm, fact-based argument where they'd be severely handicapped.
            So, the 'truth' to them becomes that which makes them laugh the most and the hardest as they try to mask their inner sense of inferiority by laughing at one comedic putdown after another."

            You've got it (clever reparte) down cold! Of course, served cold one just does a little nasal snort, and moves on. Which is good, in a reality where Time is Money.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 11:24 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            It's time this country learns from its mistakes............[sad]

             
          • libra42 posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            True, HTC. The Comedy Channel is considered a good news source by many.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:56 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob123 posted at 10:15 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012

            Rob, you always need to consider the source of these theories. The source was a communist regime bent on taking over the world and it appears to be succeeding, since it has attached itself to Islam. If it were Rockefeller, Obama would not now be in the WH.

            Why don't you study the "rich people's" methods of amassing money and put some of your own off shore. That way you could keep more of it, and maybe have more of an influences on our politics. Between Soros and Rockefeller it seems we have quite a tug of war going on don't we? Of the two, I'll take Rockefeller any day.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:15 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6602

            Grand conspiracies and strings being pulled make for interesting reading. Here is a good one from 1959:
            http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2012/09/15/rockefeller-global-tentacles-exposed-in-1959-by-the-soviet-union.html

            Of course, none of it is true, I am sure?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:54 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            Bronco: Bears repeating. But you know no one here will watch all of it. Best message yet near the end.

            HTC: Believe it or not, I read even your postings in their entirety, so once again your assumptions are 100% INCORRECT.

            But you are correct that the best message in Stewart's rant IS near the end, where he displays his ignorance of the capital gains/losses portion of the tax code and the fact that he doesn't know the difference between words such as "tax break" and "handout."

            The message: We progressives are ignorant but we love to mask it with clever reparte.

            It's no wonder so many young people get their 'news' from Jon Stewart. It is the nature of the logic-challenged progressive mind to prefer witty denigration of those they disagree with over calm, fact-based argument where they'd be severely handicapped.

            So, the 'truth' to them becomes that which makes them laugh the most and the hardest as they try to mask their inner sense of inferiority by laughing at one comedic putdown after another.

            It's like 'news' for fifth-graders.

            There are two big reasons why capital gains have such 'favorable' tax treatment: The first is that those investment monies have already been taxed and are put at risk by investing it rather than simply hoarding it. In order to encourage capital risk-taking, which grows the economy, creates jobs and ultimately expands the government's tax base, any gains from that risk-taking are taxed at a more favorable rate to the investor.

            Secondly, losses aren't directly deductible like most business expenses would be and, particularly for the small businessman who creates 70% of the jobs, he is often forced to deduct losses in tiny amounts over a very long time. Not fair, but little about the government ever is.

            A small business man might lose a half-million dollars on a factory expansion that ultimately doesn't pay for itself, leaving him able to deduct only $1500/yr. ($3000 if married, filing jointly) as an offset against his other income, meaning it would take him nearly 167 years to recover that loss if filing jointly.

            Such a deal, isn't it? At least the much lower gains tax rate helps to encourage people to take such risks anyway.

            But those who specialize in feeding off of the efforts of others can't concern themselves with such "high finance" and issues of fairness; after all, if it's fair to take from producers in order to give it to those who've done nothing to earn it, securing their votes in the process, everything must be fair as long as it's what you want to do.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:53 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            bondmen posted at 8:12 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012

            Thank you for posting these URLs, Dr. Warner's presentation was very interesting, and I thought I was up on world history. I think I already knew about 2/3 of it, but this video clarified the picture.

            Obama fans will spin anything about D'souza they can to demean his film. And Bronco, you use a dingbat comedian who is about anti-everything, who puts on a good show, as verification or proof for what kind of theory?

            Obama is a great actor and orator, with a teleprompter, but that is all he is. You make fun of Romney because he is a business man who makes great fiscal decisions and doesn't orate well about them? Maybe we should encourage Romney to take acting lessons and to use a teleprompter 100% of the time like Obama does.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 9:35 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            "Those who continue to support this man, after everything we have learned about him, either share his Marxist ambitions, so don't care who's really pulling the strings; that, or they're the dumbest people evolution has yet produced.

            The answer is none of the above. President Obama continues to be supported because most people know the alternative is much much worse.


             
          • Bronco posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y

            Bears repeating. But you know no one here will watch all of it. Best message yet near the end.

             
          • bondmen posted at 8:12 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            bondmen Posts: 1

            Fact-Checking AP’s Fact Check on “2016: Obama’s America” http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/fact-checking-ap-2016-film/ and Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner http://sheikyermami.com/2012/09/08/bill-warner-why-we-are-afraid-a-1400-year-secret-by-dr-bill-warner/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:12 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            It's pretty obvious to the thinking, informed man, that Obama is an empty suit who has enjoyed a meteoric rise through academia and politics, being carried all the way to the White House, but on virtually no real achievements of his own.

            Even his acclaimed intelligence and great speaking skills are a myth, as is evidenced by the pathetic reviews his students gave him during his time in academia and his constant bumbling without his teleprompter. It is no wonder that the lamestream media did not vet this man back in 2008- they couldn't afford to!

            Barack Obama is clearly the creation and achievement of many people hiding in the shadows, most of them Marxists like he is. America has a right to know who these puppeteers are, but this administration and the lamestream media have done a great job keeping them hidden. Obama is a Trojan horse and the public has a right to know who's inside.

            Those who continue to support this man, after everything we have learned about him, either share his Marxist ambitions, so don't care who's really pulling the strings; that, or they're the dumbest people evolution has yet produced.


             
          • SorrySOB posted at 8:24 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km4BfW2836Y

             
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