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Posted: Saturday, December 29, 2012 7:00 pm | Updated: 8:50 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

I don’t know anything about guns. I have no fascination with them, and no particular interest in them.

Perhaps that stems from an incident when I was 12 years old and shot my best friend Stephen Folster in the base of the skull with a CO2 pellet gun that we were using to hunt sparrows in the now vanished woods on Filors Lane near Annie’s Snack Shack in Stony Point, N.Y.

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          262 comments:

          • Claus posted at 8:22 am on Thu, Jan 10, 2013.

            Claus Posts: 392

            2013 STATE OF WYOMING 13LSO-0426

            HOUSE BILL NO. HB0104

            Firearm Protection Act.

            Sponsored by: Representative(s) Kroeker, Baker, Burkhart, Jaggi, Miller, Piiparinen, Reeder and Winters and Senator(s) Dockstader and Hicks

            A BILL for AN ACT relating to firearms; providing that any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming; providing a penalty; and providing for an effective date.

            Be It Enacted by the Legislature of the State of Wyoming:

            Section 1. W.S. 6-8-405 is amended to read:

            6-8-405. Offenses and penalties; defense of Wyoming citizens.

            (a) No public servant as defined in W.S. 6-5-101, or dealer selling any firearm in this state shall enforce or attempt to enforce any act, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government relating to a personal firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming.

            (b) Any official, agent or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not less than one (1) year and one (1) day or more than five (5) years, a fine of not more than five thousand dollars ($5,000.00), or both.

            (c) The attorney general may defend a citizen of Wyoming who is prosecuted by the United States government for violation of a federal law relating to the manufacture, sale, transfer or possession of a firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition owned or manufactured and retained exclusively within the borders of Wyoming.

            (d) Any federal law, rule, regulation or order created or effective on or after January 1, 2013 shall be unenforceable within the borders of Wyoming if the law, rule, regulation or order attempts to:

            (i) Ban or restrict ownership of a semiautomatic firearm or any magazine of a firearm; or

            (ii) Require any firearm, magazine or other firearm accessory to be registered in any manner.

            Section 2. This act is effective immediately upon completion of all acts necessary for a bill to become law as provided by Article 4, Section 8 of the Wyoming Constitution.

            http://legisweb.state.wy.us/20...ntroduced/HB0104.pdf

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:57 am on Sun, Jan 6, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            mooseberryinn posted at 4:30 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.
            Posts: 999
            I agree with Rob123.....

            Why Moose, how kind! When our Constitutional Republic finally becomes filled with democratically elected Libertarian representatives, senators, and president, I will put a good word in for your appointment to be Secretary of Culture. Win-Win, eh? [wink]

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:44 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            If you want to anger HTC and kohanna practice peace.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:25 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HTC-"I guess IABD doesn't like the fact that Horowitz once drank the Kook Aid that he is now guzzling in large quantities."

            IABD- Mr. H, You have a sick and twisted soul, but being that you and kohanna are both atheists why would you have a need one at all. By the way, Mr. H, you must surely remember in the early 70's and the late 60's when many members of the San Francisco police department were involved in dealing LSD in large quantities manufactured in East Germany pharmacuetical companies along with marxist leftists such as David Horowitz. Do you still remember Mr. H?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:44 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            kohana: I would say your ignorance is telling....

            HTC: Telling? Hell, it SCREAMS from the rooftops! I guess IABD doesn't like the fact that Horowitz once drank the Kook Aid that he is now guzzling in large quantities.

            As the old saying goes, if you want to anger a conservative, lie to him; if you want to anger a liberal, tell him the truth.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:40 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            It's a beautiful day posted at 6:05 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            What you think they're referring to as "critical thinking" skills isn't that at all. HOTS and OBE are highly controversial programs that have nothing to do with teaching critical thinking in the true and generally understood sense of that phrase. They are another disasterous progressive experiment in propagandizing our children rather than teaching them true analytical skills.

            You need to do your homework and quit letting rags like the DailyKos do you 'thinking' for you.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:13 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013

            kohanna, considering your source of information is from David Horowitz's website, anything he would list in his biography would naturally obscure his true past. His previous radical actions speak louder than his words. David Horowitz is presently a divisive warmonger and a threat to world peace. He may now claim to be a true conservative's conservative thinker however history books prove the former Russian marxist communist party contained both a liberal and conservative wing. The GOP "dittohead" educational system doesn't teach this anymore .

             
          • kohana posted at 7:42 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            It's a beautiful day posted at 6:51 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013

            I would say your ignorance is telling and you don't know what you are talking about. I've known David Horowitz most of his career, so try this instead of wikipedia, where anyone can change what is written. He is not a dangerous, radical, agitator. Neither is Daniel Greenfield, they both seek to tell the truth on both sides of the story.

            Biography of David Horowitz

            Posted By FPM Admin On August 21, 2009

            David Horowitz was one of the founders of the New Left in the 1960s and an editor of its largest magazine, Ramparts. He is the author, with Peter Collier, of three best selling dynastic biographies: The Rockefellers: An American Dynasty (1976); The Kennedys: An American Dream (1984); and The Fords: An American Epic (1987).

            Looking back in anger at their days in the New Left, he and Collier wrote Destructive Generation (1989), a chronicle of their second thoughts about the 60s that has been compared to Whittaker Chambers’ Witness and other classic works documenting a break from totalitarianism. Horowitz examined this subject more closely in Radical Son (1996), a memoir tracing his odyssey from “red-diaper baby” to conservative activist that George Gilder described as “the first great autobiography of his generation.”

            Horowitz continued his chronicle of the consequences of radical politics in The Politics of Bad Faith (2000), Hating Whitey (2000), Left Illusions (2003), and The Party of Defeat (2008). His Art of Political War (2000) was described by White House political strategist Karl Rove as “the perfect guide to winning on the political battlefield.” Unholy Alliance (2004) was a prophetic work pioneering the view that the Islamo Fascists are working hand in glove with the secular left.

            In 1988, Horowitz created the Center for the Study of Popular Culture (CSPC) — renamed by its board of directors the David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC) in July 2006 — to institutionalize his campaigns against the Left and its anti-Americanism. The DHFC’s mission is to defend the principles of individual freedom, the rule of law, private property, and limited government. It further seeks to defend free societies in the war against their enemies, and to reestablish academic freedom in American schools. The DHFC is supported by 100,000 contributors and publishes FrontpageMagazine.com, an online magazine featuring articles on “the war at home and abroad,” which receives approximately a million visitors per month. Another DHFC website, DiscoverTheNetworks.org, is an encyclopedia of the political Left and its networks.

            Horowitz has devoted much of his attention over the past several years to the radicalization of the American university In 2003, he launched an academic freedom campaign to return the American university to traditional principles of open inquiry and to halt indoctrination in the classroom. To further these goals he devised an Academic Bill of Rights to protect students from abusive professors. In the same year Horowitz founded Students for Academic Freedom (SAF), which now has chapters on 200 college campuses. Asserting that, “You can’t get a good education if they’re only telling you half the story,” Horowitz called for inquiries into political bias in the hiring of faculty and the appointment of commencement speakers.

            In three years Horowitz’s campaign for academic freedom was able to make intellectual diversity and academic freedom front-burner issues on college campuses across the country. In June 2005, in direct response to his campaign, the American Council on Education, which represents 2000 colleges and universities, called on its members to create grievance procedures for students who were politically harassed by their professors. In July 2005 the Pennsylvania House of Representatives voted 111-87 to create a Select Committee on Academic Freedom, which then held hearings throughout the state, which lasted until June 2006. On July 19, 2006, the Temple University board of trustees adopted a new policy, which gave students academic freedom rights – the first university to do so.

            Read the rest: http://frontpagemag.com/biography/printpage/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:51 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 2:31 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            IABD- kohanna, you keep posting articles from a very controversial and dangerous radical agitator's website run by David Horowitz. What are you trying to tell us? http://frontpagemag.com
            For more indepth biography on this marxist critical theorist and racial agitator check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:05 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/27/1101959/-Texas-GOP-Platform-to-ban-teaching-Critical-Thinking-Skills-in-schools-The-stupid-IT-BURNS

             
          • kohana posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Bronco posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013

            LOL, agree! Did Judge Judy actually send the tape to congress?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 4:33 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013

            That's a good argument for retroactive abortion as well.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 4:30 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            I agree with Rob123 - what's the harm in more propaganda? Does anyone really think the gullible potato heads will really believe the peace loving Hamas folks would be tossing rockets into Israel? Aw come on - that's all just a stage show. It's all fake. The Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Al kabong, Al josiehearya etc. etc. there the good guys ya know. Besides, if there's any trouble Chairman Obama and Hillary, or U.S. loving Mr. Kerry will be all over that. right?

             
          • Bronco posted at 4:25 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            This is why I support coverage for birth control. Can we make it retroactive?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL-a-r7iJIU

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:07 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            Rob123 posted at 11:46 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013
            ko: The brain washing starts, after all Hamas is the good guy, right?

            ? I'm not going to get in an argument with the Israeli Lobby......However, if you look at the transaction as just a business deal, Al Gore and his buddies made out VERY well, since Dubai overpaid BUT got access to Cable and Satellite slots it badly wanted. However, can it compete, head to head, with Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc.? Not without a serious upgrade of content and some noteworthy 'Message is the massage' types who are good looking and sexy.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:31 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob123 posted at 11:46 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013

            ko: The brain washing starts, after all Hamas is the good guy, right?

            Al Jazeera/Al Gore TV Launches Campaign to Promote Hamas

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On January 4, 2013

            Do you know what America needs more of? News networks that support terrorists. And I don’t just mean terrorists who claim to be innocent or terrorists who claim to want to negotiate peace deals. I mean 100 percent unfiltered homicidal non-stop killing machine terrorists.

            Do you know what America really needs? A news network that favors Hamas and Al Qaeda.

            Although Al-Jazeera incites Muslim masses around the world to revolt against “repressive regimes,” while calling for “democracy,” “pluralism,” and the ousting of totalitarian rulers, Qatar itself does not hold elections, has no political parties, has no democratic institutions, and its citizens have no political or social rights. What Qatar does have, with the help of Sharia [Islamic religious law], is a strong, family-run system of enforcing internal security and suppressing opposition. Al-Jazeera is the well-oiled and well-funded machine of a family employing armed mercenaries who call themselves “media personnel”: Propaganda warriors who use cameras and microphones as weapons.

            Recently Al-Jazeera seems to have decided to topple the Palestinian Authority [PA], and transfer to Hamas — Al-Qaeda’s ideological and practical brother-in-arms — the international recognition that the PA received from the UN in September, and to make Hamas sovereign in the West Bank as well as the Gaza Strip. To that end, it airs biased programs that are disproportionately favorable toward Hamas, and covers Hamas’s “achievements,” such as its “heroism” in firing rockets at Israeli civilians.

            Al-Jazeera is now embarked on a campaign glorifying Hamas at the expense of the PA… It recently cast suspicion on the PA as having collaborated with Israel in “poisoning Arafat,” and broadcast a biased and exaggerated report of the alleged “tortures” inflicted on Hamas prisoners in PA jails, including claims of rape, threats toward female members of Hamas under interrogation and other horrors – all of which are meant to represent the “crimes” committed by the PA in collaboration with, and at the behest of, Israeli intelligence.

            Other Al-Jazeera initiatives aimed at toppling the PA include spreading rumors of a third intifada, and encouraging Hamas in the West Bank to hold marches and carry cardboard models of Qassam rockets.

            Now coming to America. Courtesy of Al Gore and Current TV.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

            URL to article: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/al-jazeeraal-gore-tv-launches-campaign-to-promote-hamas/

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 2:00 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            Be of good Cheer - All will be well. the FDA is making our food safer etc. Thousands are screaming about gun control. They are demonstrating! marching! Note to those wishing to join the spontaneous marches etc. Apply to "Demo-Regime Productions" and you will be eligible for 500 in food stamps. Anyway - all this stuff is merely about the "Transformation Of America".

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:44 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, Your emotional tantrum displayed in hostile response to Laker1 tells the readers libertariansm is intellectually bankrupt.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:22 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            a comment on Frank's Evil Exists column two weeks ago: You may be right!

            http://cms.springboardplatform.com/previews/39/video/635297/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:14 pm on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: He said that such libertarian conservatism was "hijacked" by neoconservatism.

            HTC: They didn't hijack me.

            IABD: Would not your peaceful solution first require a non-christian heavily armed million man march on Washington DC.? You can't possible expect a libertarian as a third party win through the electoral college.

            HTC: The return to our founding principles will occur by a much simpler mechanism which some call "libertarianism by bankruptcy."

            As a nation, we are bankrupt and that will become inescapably obvious to everyone within the next 10 years or so, as the fast-growing burden of the entitlement state takes our economy off the ultimate fiscal cliff. Once that happens, entitlements and all the other entrapments of the nanny state will become worthless and people will learn the hard way that the road to progressive utopia was really a rocky road to hell. Then, they will reject the siren song of the Democrats and their like as they realize that they have no one to turn to but themselves and that they'll have to come up with their own way out of that hell.

            History teaches us that it is human nature to only learn the really important lessons in life the hard way.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:01 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, Would not your peaceful solution first require a non-christian heavily armed million man march on Washington DC.? You can't possible expect a libertarian as a third party win through the electoral college.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:36 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:57 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013

            IABD- Nelson Hultberg wrote that there is "philosophical common ground" between libertarians and conservatives. "The true conservative movement was, from the start, a blend of political libertarianism, cultural conservatism, and non-interventionism abroad bequeathed to us via the Founding Fathers." He said that such libertarian conservatism was "hijacked" by neoconservatism.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:57 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: How does a constitutional conservative GOP Romney supporter iconic person as yourself ever rationalize living together peacefully in a democratic society?

            HTC: Living together peacefully in a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC is a dream come true for a libertarian like myself. We are NOT a democracy, as your questions implies, for the Founders knew well the great evil and tyranny that always results in direct rule by the majority.

            Living together peacefully is quite easy when everyone acknowledges and abides by the fundamental individual rights and guiding principles upon which this country was founded, something that both parties but especially the Democratic Party have long ignored.

            If everyone universally honored the right of the individual to be generally free of the molestation by his neighbors and government of his person, his rights, his property and his wealth, there wouldn't be the massive political and social divide which exists in this country.

            This tension and lack of social cohesion and peace is directly the result of people who want to force their image of "social justice" upon every person and every business and will stop at nothing to do so. Their desire to steal the hard-earned fruits of their fellow Americans in order to redistribute that wealth as they see fit is THEFT, regardless of the fact that they make it 'legal' by having the government do it for them.

            Their borrowing endless amounts of money to fund their nanny state and government-directed economy, at the expense of our childrens' and grandchildrens' futures, is immoral and makes them the lowest form of thief to walk the earth.

            So, you want 'peace?'

            Then let's return to constitutional government and dismantle the vast portion of the federal government which exists well beyond its constitutional restraints.

            When every individual in this country finally has, once again, the individual liberty that our Founders bequeathed to us, and markets are again free from the suffocating and perverting interference of government, THEN there wil be peace.

            Unitl then, expect the rest of us who desire that state to be anything but compliant with your tyranny.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:53 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:48 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013 in reply to laker1 who posted at 10:13 pm Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            HTC-"Regardless, whatever you think you've achieved by your post, your gain is naught, for all you've done is display your contempt for me which caused you to pounce like a child, looking for a cheap and easy way to try to score a point against the one you hate.
            Welcome back to the sixth grade."

            IABD- A superiority complex is a compensation for a hidden inferiority complex. Hitler also suffered from this mental condition. You should seek counseling from a psychologist before you end up hurting yourself or others.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:40 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, How does a constitutional conservative GOP Romney supporter iconic person as yourself ever rationalize living together peacefully in a democratic society? Does displaying a superiority complex while maintaining every individuals right and duty to bear justifably superior firepower and weaponry a minimal requirement for you neo-republicans to take back the country next election?

            http://www.democracynow.org/2012/8/10/romneys_death_squad_ties_bain_launched

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:48 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            laker1 posted at 10:13 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            Actually, I took portions from a different source than Wikipedia (which I generally try to avoid) but it now appears that one borrowed from the other in parts, although it's not clear which source, if either, was the original.

            As for the sentence, "Among its intellectual products are the works of Friedrich Nietzsche and Sigmund Freud", what exactly does that mean? Rob123 sells a variety of products in his store - does that mean that he personally also produced them?

            The Frankfurt School long promoted both authors' works, in addition to those of its contemporary members.

            Regardless, whatever you think you've achieved by your post, your gain is naught, for all you've done is display your contempt for me which caused you to pounce like a child, looking for a cheap and easy way to try to score a point against the one you hate.

            Welcome back to the sixth grade.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:57 am on Sat, Jan 5, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            laker1 posted at 10:13 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
            "I know, mea culpa, don't feed the trolls but really . ."

            I too picked up on his screwed up timeline, but since you mentioned it, you get to deal with biting a
            Logical Positivist in the azz and dealing with the super-proud bozo on the edge of ..................? U 2 have fun.

            www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=554708104557177&set=a.206138056080852.56660.205876559440335&type=1&theater

            http://vimeo.com/56534096

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:17 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: Hanabusa noted that for the fourth quarter of 2012, major economic indicators such as visitor arrivals, unemployment and personal income all were positive and she called the state’s debt “stable and reasonable.”

            HTC: The Federal Reserve Board of San Francisco's December 2012 report on Hawaii shows significant challenges still in that state. Unemployment is trending in the wrong direction, as is real estate, and cuts in government spending threaten more weakness in coming months. The report also concluded that the state's recovery is expected to be slow for the next several years.

            Moody's reports that Hawaii's debt as a percentage of state GDP is the highest in the nation, contrary to Hanabusa's claims.

            So all is not well in 'paradise.'

             
          • laker1 posted at 10:13 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            HTC wrote:

            " In the field of philosophy, "critical theorists" adhere to the neo-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School which was developed in Europe in the 1930s. Among its intellectual products are the works of Friedrich Nietzsche and Sigmund Freud. "

            If the Frankfurt School produced the works of Nietzsche who died in 1900 and Freud who died in1939, it might appear that the "critical theorists" also invented time travel.

            Actually, they didn't. The problem is HTC's inability to copy from the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory) which says: "In philosophy, the term critical theory describes the neo-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Europe in the 1930s, that engaged the works of intellectuals such as Friedrich Nietzsche and Sigmund Freud."

            I know, mea culpa, don't feed the trolls but really . .

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:02 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: You left the Bay Area of SF in the early seventies.

            HTC: Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I left the Bay Area in 2005....

             
          • Bronco posted at 8:58 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Oh, and I used to golf with former governor Ben Cayetano. He told me Hanabusa is one lady you do not want to pizz off. He actually looked over his shoulder when he said that.

             
          • Bronco posted at 8:56 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Latest from here. Our President is camped out about 3-blocks from me in a home worth 3-times as much as mine. It has been a mellow visit so far. No disruptions like the first years. I can only imagine if he vacationed in the Flathead.
            --------------------------------
            Fox News personality Bill O’Reilly has drawn the ire of at least one member of Hawaii’s congressional delegation.

            U.S. Rep. Colleen Hanabusa says the conservative talk show host owes Hawaii and all Asian-Americans an apology for his characterization of the isles’ population.

            “Leave it to Bill O’Reilly to thoughtlessly insult 1.3 million people with one sweeping misstatement,” Hanabusa said in a statement.

            On Thursday night’s episode of “The O’Reilly Factor,” the host devoted a segment to Hawaii, where President Barack Obama is vacationing with his family.

            The segment questioned the state’s Democratic bent and liberalism among the population. Hawaii is among the bluest states in the country and voted 70 percent for President Barack Obama, a 1979 Punahou Shool graduate, in the last election.

            O’Reilly and correspondent Jesse Watters, who was sent to Hawaii to do interviews, attempted to explain some of the state’s social ills, including “rampant” drug addiction, homelessness and “enormous debt.”

            “You know what’s shocking?” O’Reilly said. “Thirty-five percent of the Hawaiian population is Asian, and Asian people are not liberal by nature, they’re usually more industrious and hard-working.”

            Hanabusa noted that for the fourth quarter of 2012, major economic indicators such as visitor arrivals, unemployment and personal income all were positive and she called the state’s debt “stable and reasonable.”

            “However, I think O’Reilly’s attempt to characterize Hawaii’s Asian-American population is most insulting of all,” she said. “Claiming that Asian-Americans are not liberal by nature because they are ‘hard working and industrious’ is the kind of one dimensional and paternalistic attitude that we should have gotten past decades ago.

            “Hawaii’s—and America’s—Asian-American communities are as rich and diverse as any in our nation. Attributing any broad set of characteristics to any large group only serves to encourage attitudes that ‘they’ are somehow different from ‘us.’”

            She said there was “absolutely no justification” to his claim that being hard working and industrious is incompatible with holding liberal political views.

            “Bill O’Reilly owes Hawaii and all Asian-Americans an apology,” she said. “And the next time he visits our state, I encourage him to spend more time getting to know real people, and less time sitting next to the pool and grousing about what he thinks is going on ‘out there.’”

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:11 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:45 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HTC- "So how long have you suffered from dementia?"

            HighTechCowboy posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.
            HTC-"I've seen Mein Kampf, the Anarchist's Cookbook and other far-left wares being sold at liberal rallies and fairs in the Bay Area for DECADES."

            IABD- You left the Bay Area of SF in the early seventies. You claim you have attended leftist rallies
            and fairs there for decades. That must place you at least in your 80's or 90's and you dare say dementia to one at least 30 years younger than yourself. It must be sad being an old geezer with an attitude. It is time to go to the quiet room and take your meds.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:45 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            It's a beautiful day posted at 7:03 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            So how long have you suffered from dementia? That's quite a mess of delusions swimming around in that cesspool you call a brain.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:42 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: In October last year, the Dow jones hit a five-year high. Obama is the worst socialist in history.

            HTC: However, after adjusting for inflation, you lost 11% from five years ago. It pays to do ALL the math.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:03 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HTC-"I've seen Mein Kampf, the Anarchist's Cookbook and other far-left wares being sold at liberal rallys and fairs in the Bay Area for decades."

            IABD- Did you also pack your firearm and bullet proof armour at these rally's and fairs in the Bay Area?
            FYI:During the Vietnam War while Nixon was president, I spoke with one of "tricky dick's" brightest guards at his San Clemente mansion who stated he was a former member of the SDS and Weathermen. Nixon hired him on because of his extremely high IQ and scientific reasoning skills. Nixon also hired loyal right-wing reactionaries from the opposite end of the spectrum for their ability to fake an IQ test. This gave his GOP administration counterintelligence, counter-counterintelligence, and you with a counter-counter-counterintelligence profile necessary for bashing the skulls of freethinkers and scientists. History will continue to show to the world the "big lie" cannot exist forever with the GOP. The 2012 presidential election as proven the GOP has devolved to a party of paranoid schizophrenics who lack any intelligence thanks to you Mr. H. and the rest of the Nazi tea party movement. Enjoy your short happy life in the 21st century while it lasts. The world is tired of the "dark knight" vigilantes like yourself who prefer keeping society and the world living on the edge in a perpetual "dark age."
            Is it merely a coincident that you left San Francisco to South America the same year as CIA op Jim Jones of the Jamestown massacre occurred? Is the Flathead Valley your final covert op? Do you actually think you can outsmart the government this time as well as the National Guard?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:01 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTIC, so his gun wasn't designed to kill a bunch of people fast. Okay.
            I thought of the terrrorist's manual, and knew you wouldn't need such a thing, with all your vast knowledge and all.
            Auto insurance is one of those rules and regulations to abide by. There were several years that I didn't possess such, and I have made use of it when possessed. Being evacuated by wildfires has kept the homeowner's insurance close to feasible.
            The gun sets.
            Sugarfree Raspberry Sorbet anyone?

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:56 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            In October last year, the Dow jones hit a five-year high. Obama is the worst socialist in history.

             
          • Bronco posted at 6:45 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:26 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 1:19 pm
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            My CPA says my business taxes will be lower now...and should offset my higher income taxes. Yippee! Not.

             
          • Bronco posted at 2:24 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: I've seen Mein Kampf, the Anarchist's Cookbook and other far-left wares being sold at liberal rallys and fairs in the Bay Area for decades. Does that mean that all progressives are fascists, commies or anarchists?
            ---------------------
            I guess the true capitalist can show up just about anywhere! [wink]
            I was merely showing that, uh, WW2 memorabilia, shows up at gun shows, as was previously disputed.
            Just being objective there, H.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:46 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            The Truth About Obama's Tax Fake Out
            by Liz Peek
            January 4, 2013

            Americans must be confused. For years President Obama has promised that raising taxes on the wealthy would solve our budget problems. Making the rich pay “a little more,” as Mr. Obama has repeatedly promised, was supposed to reduce our deficits – a goal embraced by most Americans.

            But now the president has signed a bill which finally raises taxes on the wealthiest Americans -- and it turns out we will continue to rack up deficits for the foreseeable future. In fact, the plan adds $329 billion to this year’s deficit alone.

            Further out, this agreement will do almost nothing to slow the dangerous erosion of our nation’s financial strength; projected ten-year deficits of $7.9 trillion will be whittled down by $650 billion as the wealthy, by the way, pay not “a little more,” but quite a lot more.

            Astonishingly, the one approach that might actually move the needle in the right direction – boosting economic growth – is hardly mentioned by the Obama White House.

            On top of a hike in rates from 35% to 39.6%, the wealthy will also see deductions phased out, will be paying new surtaxes on investment income to fund ObamaCare and Medicare as well as higher rates on investment income. In addition, several states, including California, have passed new taxes on those in the top income brackets.

            In a still-struggling economy, this approach may make sense, in that no other group can afford higher taxes. But, raising taxes on any Americans could carry hidden penalties; our highest-earners normally account for some 40% of consumer spending but in this slow-growth period, that slice has expanded to about 50%.

            Jacking up taxes on the rich risks further undermining our tepid recovery. Indeed, early indications suggest that the threat of higher taxes caused the wealthy to cut back on holiday spending, leading to a lackluster retail season.

            Voters may also be mystified that President Obama, who as recently as New Year’s Eve reiterated his commitment to a “balanced” approach to reducing our deficits, has signed a bill that cuts spending by $15 billion, while boosting tax revenues by $620 billion. That ratio of 44:1 tax hikes to spending cuts doesn’t sound very balanced.

            Equally puzzling, President Obama pledged to prevent a tax increase on most Americans. But – surprise - nearly all working Americans will see their taxes rise this year, thanks to the expiration of the two percentage-point payroll tax holiday.

            Hard pressed, voters might wonder about other claims made recently by their president. For instance, he has on numerous occasions boasted that he has cut spending. And yet, for the first two months of this year, federal spending jumped a whopping 16%. Even adjusted for some timing issues, spending was 4% higher for October and November than it was last year – and still growing considerably in excess of inflation.

            Note to voters: Obama’s “cuts” are always made from a hypothetical spending line which points inexorably north. It’s a little like the wife who claims to have saved her husband money by buying three new handbags, instead of four.

            Americans are still waiting for President Obama to take up the harder challenge of trimming so-called “entitlement” programs, which claimed 62% of the federal budget in fiscal 2012. As he campaigned for office in 2008, Mr. Obama pledged to “take up entitlement reform quickly” -- certainly in his first term in office.

            In 2009, he explained this necessity, saying that the “real problem with our long-term deficit actually has to do with our entitlement obligations.”

            He’s right. Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare alone now account for 44% of all federal spending. When ObamaCare is added in, the four programs will sap about 18.5% of GDP by 2050, according to the Heritage Foundation – or roughly the same portion historically claimed by all government functions. That is, every other spending need, from defense to education, will be paid for with borrowed money. (Some analysts project this will occur by as soon as 2025.)

            Entitlement spending has more than doubled in the past two decades, driving deficits higher. Here’s why: the Urban Institute reports that a couple in which both people earn an average wage will pay $116,000 in Medicare taxes over their lifetime, and receive $351,000 in payments. As the country ages, this is a seriously losing proposition for the nation. For the individuals receiving those benefits, it’s heaven-sent.

            During the election, we were supposed to debate this problem. The nomination of budget savant Paul Ryan as the GOP vice presidential candidate was meant to thrust the issue to the forefront; instead, both Republicans and Democrats found entitlement reform simply too toxic, and it was dropped, along with Paul Ryan.

            The country should now look towards President Obama for leadership in setting our country on a sustainable course. He must re-up his earlier pledge “to cut the deficit we inherited in half by the end of my first term in office.” It is clear that raising taxes on the rich will not alone do the trick.

            Astonishingly, the one approach that might actually move the needle in the right direction – boosting economic growth – is hardly mentioned. This White House discredits the potential power of the private sector unleashed; that has been, and will continue to be, President Obama’s greatest handicap. It is also the number one reason that voters made a terrible choice this past November.

            Liz Peek is a financial columnist who writes for The Fiscal Times. For more visit LizPeek.com. Follow her on Twitter@LizPeek.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:19 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: "In the aftermath of the fiscal-cliff deal, Republicans in Congress issued a heartfelt apology to the top 1.5 per cent richest people in America, offering “messages of profound condolence” for allowing their taxes to increase slightly."

            HTC: Actually, their taxes are going up quite significantly, because they'll see not only a higher marginal tax rate, buty but also a very large "marriage penalty", high and infinite Medicare taxes, and substantial increases in taxes on capital gains and investment income.

            Since these people represent a significant portion of our actual job creators and 20% of spending, we'll see a significant hit to the economy; that's why the CBO warned against this, estimating that up to 1 million jobs could be lost due to these tax increases.

            This is no laughing matter but laughing is what idiots do best when they don't understand something.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:15 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco posted at 11:16 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            I've seen Mein Kampf, the Anarchist's Cookbook and other far-left wares being sold at liberal rallys and fairs in the Bay Area for decades.

            Does that mean that all progressives are fascists, commies or anarchists?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:10 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: Christie speaks out against Boehner's decision to kill the Hurricane Sandy aide bill. The House acted disgracefully.

            HTC: I think it's unfair to say that the House acted disgracefully; after all, if anything was disgraceful, it was the Democrats' in the Senate taking up a legitimate $25B aid bill and turning it into a $60B pork bill while we're still trying to get our massive overspending under control, then daring the House to vote against it.

            THAT is what is profoundly shameful!

            Boehner did handle it badly by delaying taking up the bill until the next Congress without explaining why he did so. No doubt his bid to remain Speaker factored into his decision, but to not call key GOP politicians like Christy in advance and explain what he was doing and why was a significant tactical blunder. But such blunders seem to be what the GOP currently excels at, such as when Christie toured storm-damaged NJ with Obama, while Obama was doing his photo-op only leadership thing, and basically stated that he thought that Obama was doing a good job while Romney was appropriately criticizing the horribly feckless job being done by FEMA which is still doing almost nothing for the area to this day.

            I'm getting totally sick of the Keystone Cops style GOP that we see today.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:00 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: FYI: most of the terrorism in the pacific NW is attributed to right-wing nutsies.

            HTC: Prove it. I'm getting tired of your groundless, sweeping generalities about the right. Either put up or shut up.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:55 pm on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: There's a body armor vest advertisement on the right as I write this post. Kinda disturbing.

            HTC: Why do you find that disturbing? What's 'threatening' about body armor?

             
          • bill39 posted at 11:43 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            HTC: But IABD lives in an alternative reality, so be gentle.

            ya

             
          • bill39 posted at 11:33 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            IABD: Having just searched www.merriam-webster.com for the word "critical theorist" this was the result:

            Thats because its 2 words, simpleton.

            IABD: Mr. bill, your use of the word "usually" in your sentence reflects your "stupidity" and "ignorance."

            The definition was taken directly from wikipedia. To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:19 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In the aftermath of the fiscal-cliff deal, Republicans in Congress issued a heartfelt apology to the top 1.5 per cent richest people in America, offering “messages of profound condolence” for allowing their taxes to increase slightly.
            “Our hearts go out to them,” said House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), still teary-eyed after hanging up the phone with a multimillionaire in Orange County, California. “We came to Washington to do the work of 1.5 per cent of the American people, and we didn’t get it done.”
            The House Speaker said that he had spoken to several members of the top 1.5 per cent who were “understandably despondent” over seeing their taxes rise marginally as a result of the deal: “Some of them were so upset they even considered moving to Canada, until they found out the taxes were higher there.”
            Mr. Boehner said that he tried to offer the wealthy consolation by reminding them that because of an increase in payroll taxes, millions of middle-class and working-class Americans would be suffering more than they would: “That usually put them in a better mood.”
            House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Virginia) assailed the fiscal-cliff legislation today, calling it “a classic example of putting 98.5 per cent of the American people ahead of the rest of the country.”
            Offering words of hope to the top 1.5 per cent, Mr. Cantor said, “In a few months we’ll have the next debate about the debt ceiling. As God is my witness, we will try to do a better job of bringing this nation to the brink of Armageddon.”
            But to billionaires such as Harland Dorrinson, a longtime super-donor to the G.O.P., such assurances ring hollow: “If the fiscal-cliff deal is the kind of performance we can expect from Republican politicians, what’s the point of owning them?”

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:16 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            I googled nazi at gun show and got this:

            Nazis Recruiting At Gun Show : Indybay
            www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/01/02/18634112.phpJan 2, 2010 – Members of the neo-Nazi National Alliance are selling books and recruiting racists at the Cal Expo Center Gun Show this weekend, Jan 2 and ...
            Is the Nazi memorabilia guy at the gun show really a Nazi?
            www.northwestfirearms.com › Forum › General › Off TopicApr 17, 2011 – Those of us that have been to the expo center's gun show probably know who I am talking about. The older guy in the ugly hat that sells almost.

            Nazi stuff at gun shows [Archive] - The Firing Line Forums
            thefiringline.com › ... › General Discussion Forum
            56 posts - 37 authors - Jan 13, 2011

            So, Mike Irwin brought up a point about how the last gun show he went to had a lot of nazi stuff. It's been a bit since I've been to one myself, but ...
            Nazi Memorabilia at Gun Shows
            www.handgunforum.net › Forum › Off Topic › General Discussion
            9 posts - 5 authors - Jan 19, 2009

            I'm new to the list so I hope I'm not re-hashing a topic that is already covered but I attended my first gun show here in Houston. At several ...
            Nazi Crap at Gun Shows - Bob Cesca
            bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2009/04/nazi_crap_at_gu.htmlApr 8, 2009 – Not literally Nazi crap, but close. Dave Weigel reports from a gun show: This is a place where vendors can sell T-shirts that read “The Fourth ...

            Gun shows and Nazi paraphernalia - THR
            www.thehighroad.org › ... › Social Situations › General Gun Discussions
            100+ posts - 74 authors - Apr 19, 2005

            I attended the Concord, NH gun show last weekend. It was a good day and the arena the gun show was at was filled to.

            Real Nazi artifacts, knives, medals, ect. at gun show - YouTube
            ► 2:00► 2:00
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            Mar 21, 2010 - Uploaded by Derrytodd
            These are all real authentic Nazi artifacts this man had been collecting for 40 years. He had them displayed at ...

            "Family Friendly" Machine Gun Festival Welcomes Neo-Nazi ...
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            www.alternet.org/.../%22family_friendly%22_machine...
            Apr 15, 2011

            What's up with the little kids in Nazi shirts at the Knob Creek Gun Range ... More typical gun show fare ...
            More videos for nazi at gun show »
            Gun Show Question... - Survivalist Forum
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            33 posts - 9 authors - Apr 18, 2009

            I have a question regarding gun shows. I haven't been to many but every single one I have been to has had quite a bit of Nazi related ...

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:03 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Christie speaks out against Boehner's decision to kill the Hurricane Sandy aide bill. The House acted disgracefully.

            http://thoughtfulwomen.org/2013/01/03/gop-civil-war-over-sandy/

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:54 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            There's a body armor vest advertisement on the right as I write this post. Kinda disturbing. Also a Concealed Carry Guide, FREE! @USConcealedCarry.net right below the 'Advertise in the Daily Inter Lake and watch your business grow' ad. On the left is a Hoarding Guide ad and one from Toyota.
            Welcome to the Flathead.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:35 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013
            HTC "I doubt that you'll find the "Terrorists Encyclopedia" in most gun owners collection."

            IABD- Of course not, but as you already know quite well living in your dark reality as a war and hate monger, know it is still a free download to any right wing idiot with too much spare time on their hands having easy access to the internet. FYI: most of the terrorism in the pacific NW is attributed to right-wing nutsies.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:33 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: Mr. bill, your use of the word "usually" in your sentence reflects your "stupidity" and "ignorance."

            HTC: It is rather reckless and foolish of you to accuse someone else of being stupid and ignorant when you stupidly and ignorantly looked for the definition of the noun phrase "critical theorist" in a simple word dictionary.

            The explanation provided by bill39 is fundamentally correct. In the field of philosophy, "critical theorists" adhere to the neo-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School which was developed in Europe in the 1930s. Among its intellectual products are the works of Friedrich Nietzsche and Sigmund Freud.

            Contemporary critical theory arose from the anti-positivist sociology of Max Weber and Georg Simmel, combined with the Marxist theories of György Lukács and of Antonio Gramsci, all from the Institute for Social Research in Frankfurt.

            Critical theory as a school of philosophical thinking is generally credited to five Frankfurt School theoreticians: Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Max Horkheimer, Walter Benjamin, and Jürgen Habermas. While the modern version has shed some of the earlier Marxist concepts, the concern for a social "base and superstructure" is one of the more significant Marxist philosophic concepts still found within the foundation principles of this school of thought.

            Within philosophical circles, critical theorists usually are broadly defined as Marxist intellectuals; but, because of their tendency to denounce some Marxist concepts, they are often called revisionists by Classical, Orthodox, and Analytical Marxists, and by Marxist-Leninist philosophers.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:26 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            "gun control" will not be successful in the U.S. This is merely an observation. OK, maybe a prediction. There are simply too many combat veterans unwilling to be disarmed by liberal (and ignorant) politicians. There are too many sportsman/woman unwilling to surrender their guns. There are too many concerned citizens armed for self-defense unwilling to hinder their safety to turn-in their weapons. There are too many law enforcement people (active and retired) aware of the threat of armed criminals that certainly would never disarm themselves. There are too many folks distrustful of Comrade Obama's dictatorial leanings to give up their weapons seemingly to "the enemy within". And...there are simply too many criminals who need their weapons from time to time unwilling to give up any "tools of the trade". Finally - there are politicians in Illinois attempting to ban all semi-auto weapons and confiscate same. Now that could be really funny.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:09 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            jennydoe: When I buy a product, I want to utilize it to its fullest potential. ie: KitchenAid mixer Pro600.
            does it all, from grinding flour to making ice cream - and everything in between. It doesn't become worth the price just sitting in the corner unused. It pays for itself each time the plug hits the outlet.

            HTC: Does this mean that you still drive without auto insurance and that you don't have homeowners insurance? I mean, you hope not to use either of those, don't you?

            jennydoe: The gun Adam USED CORRECTLY was designed to kill multiple people in mere seconds.

            HTC: Pure liberal myth. It is a semi-automatic rifle and not particularly deadly compared to other long-gun choices such as a semi-auto shotgun or a more concealable semi-auto pistol. The deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history is the Virginia Tech shooting where the perp used ONLY semi-auto pistols.

            But I trust that you won't let the facts confuse you, even though they've been presented here multiple times.

            jennydoe: Can you make bombs with your reloading powder or other items contained in your household? Maybe they got it right. We're all terrorists.

            HTC: That's an absurd suggestion but you do favor the absurd much of the time. There's a BIG difference between HMTD and smokeless or black powder. While smokeless and black powder have legitimate uses in firearms, HMTD has only one use and that's to blow things up. Also, I doubt that you'll find the "Terrorists Encyclopedia" in most gun owners collection nor will they have had a history of hanging around with radical far-left anarchists who worship the Weathermen and other such former terrorist groups.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:02 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 7:27 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            IABD-Copernicus and Galileo were two scientests guilty of being critical theorists by the church. This was way before Marxism was conceived of. While doing further research, Critical theory in Wikipedia states: "Whilst critical theorists usually are broadly defined as Marxist intellectuals[4] their tendency to denounce some Marxist concepts, and to synthesise Marxian analysis with other sociologic and philosophic traditions has been attacked as revisionism, by Classical, Orthodox, and Analytical Marxists, and by Marxist-Leninist philosophers."

            Mr. Bill, you must report me to "Colonel HT Clink" at once.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:57 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            bill39: I have never seen any nazi paraphernalia at a gun show.

            HTC: Ditto, and I've been to a LOT of gun shows over the decades.

            But IABD lives in an alternative reality, so be gentle.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: Chaordic Threat: Right Wing Terrorism in the United States

            HTC: That's just one man's perspective which has no particular significance, especially since the vast majority of acts of domestic terrorism on our soil have come from the left, NOT the right. Various environmental groups, radical anarchist groups and anti-military/law enforcement groups have dominated the landscape. The Weathermen are a particularly illustrative example which serve to underscore this fact. Many of their former members are now valued staff of the left-dominated academic scene.

            LTC Driscoll is a typical liberal Democrat who favors big, nanny-state government and a liberal, one world order dominated by the U.N. His suggestion that it is the right which threatens this country is not supported by historical fact nor clear thinking. Academically, even G.W. Bush had a better GPA than did LTC Driscoll.

            His positions and bio can be found here:

            http://votesmart.org/candidate/political-courage-test/40708/john-driscoll/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:37 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            bill39 posted at 7:27 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013

            "bill39-Definition of a critical theorist is usually defined as a Marxist intellectual."

            IABD- Having just searched www.merriam-webster.com for the word "critical theorist" this was the result:

            "The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above."

            Mr. bill, your use of the word "usually" in your sentence reflects your "stupidity" and "ignorance."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:18 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. Bill, Have you been drinking too much fighting coffee this morning? If you have the ability to read more than one sentence at a time, check out these two links:

            [PDF]
            Chaordic Threat: Right Wing Terrorism in the United States

            www.hsdl.org/?view&did=438942
            A Chaordic Threat: Right Wing. Terrorism In The United States. Lieutenant Colonel John B. Driscoll. Montana Army National Guard. Professor Gabriel Marcella

            http://intelligentdiscontent.com/2012/09/24/representative-david-howard-suggests-civil-war-if-obama-is-re-elected/

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:34 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            Bronco; Their candidates, most of them were ridiculous.

            Which were not ridiculous?

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:27 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            IABD, according to wikipedia, your man Bernard Harcourt is a critical theorist. Definition of a critical theorist is usually defined as a Marxist intellectual.

            I have never seen any nazi paraphernalia at a gun show. Your man Harcourt says he was at one gun show, but they ALL display nazi paraphernalia. Do you REALLY believe this guy?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:46 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Maybe the problem with guns is that they cost a lot of money to just sit there.
            When I buy a product, I want to utilize it to its fullest potential. ie: KitchenAid mixer Pro600.
            does it all, from grinding flour to making ice cream - and everything in between. It doesn't become worth the price just sitting in the corner unused. It pays for itself each time the plug hits the outlet.

            The gun Adam USED CORRECTLY was designed to kill multiple people in mere seconds.

            Unknowingly, his mother got her money's worth.

            How well stocked is your arsenal? Can you make bombs with your reloading powder or other items contained in your household? Maybe they got it right. We're all terrorists. moose tops the list. oh boy.


             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:47 am on Fri, Jan 4, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323374504578218131654484940.html?KEYWORDS=pepper+and+salt+cartoons

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:21 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            IABD- Of course what hurts worse is having the low salaried EMT's surgically remove your firearm before admitting you into a hospital.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:29 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            For this evening's scheduled anger management session, I wish for everyone capable of reading above a 3rd grade level to stay home, lock the doors and read:

            On Gun Registration, the NRA, Adolf Hitler, and
            Nazi Gun Laws: Exploding the Gun Culture Wars
            (A Call to Historians)

            "The Nazi-gun-registration argument is also a bit disorienting
            because, at least whenever I have been to a gun show, there are
            always displays of Nazi paraphernalia. The fringe pro-Nazi element in
            this country has far more ties to the pro-gun community than it does
            to the anti-gun community, and you are far more likely to see a
            swastika at a gun show or a pro-gun rally than you are at the anti-gun
            Million Mom March on the Washington Mall." -Bernard E. Harcourt 2004

            http://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4029&context=flr&sei-redir=1&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3Dnational%2520rifle%2520association%2520modeled%2520after%2520nazi%2520germany%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D3%26ved%3D0CD0QFjAC%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fir.lawnet.fordham.edu%252Fcgi%252Fviewcontent.cgi%253Farticle%253D4029%2526context%253Dflr%26ei%3DtybmUOuvEY-_2QWHw4F4%26usg%3DAFQjCNFyeo2VE6G9n6HHtBxpXnT_WLzqFw%26bvm%3Dbv.1355534169%2Cd.b2I#search=%22national%20rifle%20association%20modeled%20after%20nazi%20germany%22

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:14 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Fiscal Cliff Legislation Shifts Medicare Cuts to Hospitals

            The president today signed the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012 into law to stave off the fiscal cliff, the Associated Press reported, but the last-minute deal between Congress has left hospitals dismayed.

            Although the legislation delays the Medicare cuts to physicians, it makes significant changes to Medicare hospitals. In short, the deal gives Medicare physicians some reprieve but leaves hospitals holding the bag, The Washington Post noted. The American Taxpayer Relief Act includes a "doc fix," which postpones the reductions to Medicare physician payments that were previously scheduled to start Jan. 1--for at least for 12 months.

            Viewed as a short-term patch to a decades-old problem of Medicare's fee-for-service reimbursement model, the Act does little to fix a "flawed" sustainable group rate formula, as American College of Physicians President David L. Bronson called it in a HealthLeaders Media article. In addition, the law delays a 2 percent Medicare sequester by two months. The stopgap measure will be paid for by hospitals, according to the American Hospital Association, which expressed disappointment.

            "While fixing the physician payment formula is essential, it should not be done by jeopardizing hospitals' ability to care for seniors and their communities," AHA President Richard Umbenstock said in a statement. "Hospitals are working to provide high-quality, innovative and effective care to seniors in their communities. Additional payment reductions will make it harder for patients to access the care they need and depend on."
            Under the deal, IPPS hospitals face a documentation and coding adjustment to MS-DRGs. The provision is supposed to save $10.5 billion. The coding adjustment, effective from 2014 to 2018, will phase in recoupments of past overpayments and affect all hospitals, The Wall Street Journal reported.

            In addition, a provision adjusts reimbursements for stereotactic radiosurgery services for hospital outpatients payments, aimed at saving another $40 million, Medicare News Group reported. An additional adjustment to equipment utilization rates will set payments for imaging services from 75 percent to 90 percent, aimed at saving $80 million.

            Like AHA, the National Association of Public Hospitals and Health Systems said the deal puts millions of vulnerable people at risk. "Solving one side of the provider equation must not come at the expense of the other--particularly the hospitals and health systems that care for a disproportionate share of Medicaid and other low-income patients," NAPH President and CEO Bruce Siegel said in a statement.

            "Hospital Medicare payments continue to be viewed as a big bucket you can take a little bit out of with without making a difference," Sean Hopkins, senior vice president of the New Jersey Hospital Association, told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "But you can die a death of a thousand cuts."

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:32 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            IABD- Good for you Bronco. Apologizing is taking one small step for mankind today in our group therapy session. Will we all join in with Bronco and sing "auld lang syne" as we pass around the Kool Aid?
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            It's all Kool Aid, dude. You just have to choose the dilution of the delusion.

             
          • bill39 posted at 5:03 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            HTC: We've seen a lot of this in the past four years, almost all of it at the insistence of Democrats; yet, the idiots that vote for them insist that it is the GOP which is in bed with corporate America. Ignorant fools.....

            [thumbup]

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 4:10 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            I will never understand why anyone would have voted for Obama. A junior, do nothing senator, known associations with communists. His speeches were obviously way over optimistic. He never gave any details on just what it was we would expect during the "transformation" of America. Then a few famous lines about "redistribution" (with "Joe the Plumber"). His 20 year association with the absurd "Rev." Wright. Of course during his first wrecking-ball term he just made things worse, spent trillions (amazing how he never mentions that while he says "we" have to get the national debt under control. Then there is his nauseating preening and strutting around while he glibly tells fanciful lies. Ya know, his inflated ego just shines forth like a fart in an elevator. Ah well, it will take a generation or two to repair all the damage wrought by Comrade Obama.

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:18 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Bronco: Right now, I am sick to the core over our current government, and the past one. Don't twist my meaning; you know what I mean.
            HTC: So why did you reelect it?
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            The current one? Didn't like the alternative. To divided on the issues, too much in-party fighting, too many factions within the party, that party's ideas of equal rights...just didn't believe they could get much done. I agreed with some of them on some of the issues. Their candidates, most of them were ridiculous.

            The past one? I didn't like Al Gore and I didn't know as much as I should about Bush and his agenda.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:51 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            A group of plain-clothes officers were thrown out of Denny’s in Belleville, IL for being armed after a customer started whining about them having weapons. I would surmise that in the future, those officers wouldn’t be the first ones on the scene for a 911 call from that Denny’s.

            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/03/Chicago-gun-Dennys

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 2:31 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            p.s. - I never knew Hitler had an 'NRA"? Are you refering maybe to the "brown shirts", "Hitler Youth" or maybe a "national civilian police force equal to and as well armed as the military. OOps - sorry, that was one of Comrade Obama's ideas put forth in an early campaign speech.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 2:22 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            My guess is that Because someone has an opinion about the label given to Todd Starnes, his reporting of factual news is impaired. In reality, I see now He was merely passing on items as noted by Yahoo news. But, I understand. I certainly wouldn't bother reading or listening to Chris Mathews (for example), as I have come to know a great deal of his stuff is inaccurate or down right fabrication. So, for those suffering that sort of bias. The same news can be found elsewhere. Re; "gun culture" - several reasons for this. 1. our fight to be free. (Rev. War). 2. War of 1812, invaded (briefly) by Great Britain 3. Texas, Alamo 4. Settling of the west, and/or hunting to provide food. WWI, WWII, Korean War, Vietnam etc. In the mix is the gangster days of the 20's, Movie westerns and so on. The thing for today's world is video games, or the gangs running around Chicago or L.A. shooting what ever. (in these "gun controlled" cities). (as a poor example of course). Now, as more well known inspirations for gun ownership, there are nice folks like Chairman Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, whatshisname in N.Korea etc. etc. And who knows? if given the opportunity - what about Comrade Obama? (just a thought ya know).

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:51 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Oh go blow it out Ted Nugent's muzzle. The NRA has not nor will do anything to defend the Constitutional rights of Americans to bear firearms. The NRA, which is modeled after Hitler's NRA, has continually shown it's manifest destiny of limiting our second amendment right to defend ourselves as citizens whenever a republican leader sits in the White House.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:48 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: Your morbid mentor and propagandist Todd Starnes is the host of Fox News & Commentary. He occupies the fascist far-right side of the Fox News Corner of the World.

            HTC: Starnes is a "fascist?" Let me see you quote some of his columns to back that up. I know you can't because he's actually a libertarian. You don't even really know him but you condemn him because of his association with Fox. Is that what passes for "thinking" and "independent analysis" in your world?

            Sure looks like ti.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:16 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            mooseberryinn posted at 12:06 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            "mooseberryinn: re; "bozos" any relation to Obama?(just asking).See Todd Starnes on Fox. Most excellent."

            IABD- Your morbid mentor and propagandist Todd Starnes is the host of Fox News & Commentary. He occupies the fascist far-right side of the Fox News Corner of the World. Where else would you gather your intelligence without the aid of Fox network and HTC?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:50 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun

            HTC: Overall, a very balanced and thorough treatment of the subject. Thanks for posting it.

            I do have to take exception with one paragraph: " I understand the apprehension that many people feel toward “gun culture,” and I share their outrage over the political influence of the National Rifle Association. How is it that we live in a society in which one of the most compelling interests is gun ownership? Where is the science lobby? The safe food lobby? Where is the get-the-Chinese-lead-paint-out-of-our-kids’-toys lobby? When viewed from any other civilized society on earth, the primacy of guns in American life seems to be a symptom of collective psychosis."

            The reason there is a "gun culture" and a very powerful and well-funded NRA is precisely because of the anti-gun culture which pervades much of our political process. It is a reaction to those threats to our right to defend ourselves and our loved ones that the NRA has grown so large in membership and influence. Anyone who would expect any other kind of response to the hypocrites in government such as Dianne Feinstein who carry AND have armed security personnel but wish to make us unarmed victims, simply hasn't thought enough about the subject.

            There is no reaction too strong when dealing with idiots and hypocrites who seek to deny us our fundamental rights while they enjoy privileges and benefits the rest of us do not. A strong response to attacks on our liberty is a healthy response.

             
          • fredh posted at 12:44 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            fredh Posts: 98

            Frank; I think you are 100 % right, yes guns are dangerous but so are cars. It is the stupid people using these tools. I grew up in New Jersey ,and moved here 32 years ago. In Jersey guns were used by sportsman, but Jersey was a big industrial state. Most men worked 8 to 12 hours per day, i worked 7 days per week some weeks. We did not time to play with guns. In our spare time we spent with family and taking care of our homes. Every country taking over by the communist, nazis , fascist the people had no guns rights. Antonio Gramsci and Italian communist wrote in 1921 , in his paper "Attack on the Family" , he says the only way for the communist to take over the U.S. is to take over the courts, and remove the father from the home. There are a hole lot of children growing up without a father, and the mothers work out side the home. These kids come home from school, to an empty house and are left to their devices. They can watch porn or play games on the computer. in some of these games they can kill lots of people,THE TROUBLE IS THEY ARE HOLDING THE GUN. Back in the late 70'S a question was ask were do most girls get pregnant, the answer was in her mother bed. We will never turn this country around until we restore the Family.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:16 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:49 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013

            "HTC- Considering how slightly tethered to reality that you are, it is encouraging to know that you don't like guns."

            IABD- HTC, are you getting your usual hateful JBS sound bites from Reagonomics professor Peter Ferrara? Or was it from listening to the hillbilly heroin oxycontin addict Rush Limbaugh?

            President Obama Is No Longer Tethered To Reality
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/07/28/president-obama-is-no-longer-tethered-to-reality/
            Peter Ferrara
            Senior Fellow, Entitlement and Budget Policy

            Phone: 312-377-4000
            Email: pferrara@heartland.org

            Peter Ferrara is senior fellow for entitlement and budget policy at The Heartland Institute, a senior fellow at the Social Security Institute, and the general counsel of the American Civil Rights Union.

            He served in the White House Office of Policy Development under President Reagan, and as Associate Deputy Attorney General of the United States under the first President Bush. He is a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School. He is author of The Obamacare Disaster, from the Heartland Institute, and President Obama's Tax Piracy. Ferrara's latest book (June 2011) is America's Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb: How the Looming Debt Crisis Threatens the American Dream-and How We Can Turn the Tide Before It's Too Late.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 12:06 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            re; "bozos" any relation to Obama?(just asking).See Todd Starnes on Fox. Most excellent.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:03 pm on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: I would have welcomed the fabricated fiscal cliff rather than even consider the solution our loser-infested congress came up with. A new low for ALL of them. Idiots on BOTH sides of the aisle.

            HTC: Yes, the idiots within the GOP that voted for this 'solution' are just as bad as Baucus and his fellow Dems who drafted it. Truth be told, this shouldn't be called a "tax cut" bill but a "massive deficit-enhancing" bill because it adds $4T to the national debt, increasing spending FAR more than it raised any revenues.

            Bronco: To any fool in the room who points the fingers at only republicans or only democrats, or Boehner or Obama...there's enough blame to go around evenly.

            HTC: There's blame to go around, for sure; but, let's be clear that it can't honestly be spread around evenly because it is the entitlement system which is the source of our fiscal woes and that is almost entirely the creation of the Democratic Party. In fact, the GOP has even sought to reform those programs in a way which might save some version of them while reducing the fiscal impact and the Democrats have rejected every one of those efforts. Even now, they refuse to seriously discuss spending cuts, knowing that most of it must come from entitlements because they are the lion's share of the budget. They know that the necessary dismantling of the entitlement state means the concurrent dismantling of the Democratic Party which built its base around them.

            To the honest, informed mind, the GOP are not guiltless by any means, but public enemy number one right now is the Democratic Party which will continue to fight any effort to enact serious spending reform. To focus on the sins of the GOP is to ignore the much greater threat represented by the Democrats.

            Bronco: We need to stop this infighting and realize we need to stand together against these bozos (sorry, for the insult to bozos). Can we do this? Will it have an impact? Well, HTC? mooseberryinn? kohana? IABD? Rob? Pete? jenny doe and laker1?Rebel?...most of all, Frank?

            HTC: How do we stand up to a majority of Americans who continue to vote for the entitlement state? We can't buy their votes, as the Democrats are doing. All we have to offer is the dignity of personal responsibility, the virtue of truly loving our children and not mortgaging their futures, and the truth that liberty and dependency on government cannot exist together.

            That's a hard sell with this selfish, lazy, greedy electorate that we face today.

            Bronco: I for one will start out the new year by not attacking any of you personally; but I don't abide too much provocation so I may snap back occasionally if the personal insults become more than tedious.

            HTC: Agreed. Let's give it a try and see if we can make it work.

            Bronco: Right now, I am sick to the core over our current government, and the past one. Don't twist my meaning; you know what I mean.

            HTC: So why did you reelect it?


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:49 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            It's a beautiful day posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013

            Considering how slightly tethered to reality that you are, it is encouraging to know that you don't like guns.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:46 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            kohana: ".......being brainwashed by Al-Jazeera......"

            [sad]

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:43 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco: Just because you employ a person doesn't entitle you to make that person's medical decisions.

            HTC: True; but, just because you work for someone doesn't entitle you to have your employer pay for your medical care and choices.

            Once again, you totally missed the point.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:37 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            kohana: The Boneta Bill is clearly onto something big: making government officials who act unlawfully in the conduct of their duties subject to the same types of penalties that we little people face if we were violate the law. Anyone except lawbreaking government bureaucrats has to love that.

            HTC: Amen. Our legal system needs something similar, called "loser pays". Whoever loses the lawsuit, pays the legal and court costs. That would eliminated 99.99% of the frivolous law suits which have nearly choked to death or tort system.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:34 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            The best perspective on guns in the US I have ever read. I have to go along with Sam on this.

            http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun

            "Rather than new laws, I believe we need a general shift in our attitude toward public violence—wherein everyone begins to assume some responsibility for containing it. It is worth noting that this shift has already occurred in one area of our lives, without anyone’s having received special training or even agreeing that a change in attitude was necessary: Just imagine how a few men with box cutters would now be greeted by their fellow passengers at 30,000 feet."

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:32 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Bronco posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.
            "We need to stop this infighting and realize we need to stand together against these bozos (sorry, for the insult to bozos)."

            IABD- Good for you Bronco. Apologizing is taking one small step for mankind today in our group therapy session. Will we all join in with Bronco and sing "auld lang syne" as we pass around the Kool Aid?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_people

            "The Bozo are a West African ethnic group located predominantly along the Niger River in Mali. The name Bozo is thought to derive from Bambara bo-so, 'Bamboo house'; the people accept it as referring to the whole of the ethnic group but use more specific clan names such as Sorogoye, Hain, and Tieye themselves. They are famous for their fishing and are occasionally referred to as the "masters of the river." Their languages, belonging to the Soninke-Bozo subgroup of Northwestern Mande languages, have traditionally been considered dialects of one language, though in reality there are at least four distinct varieties (see Bozo languages).
            Aspects of Bozo culture took shape under the 10th century Ghana Empire, when the Bozo took possession of the banks of the Niger. The Bozo were the founders of the Malian cities of Djenné and Mopti.
            Though the Bozo are predominantly Muslim, they preserve a number of animist traditions as well. Their animal totem is the bull, whose body represents the Niger and whose horns represent the Bozo fishing pirogues.
            A 2000 census counted the Bozo population of Mali to be 132,100."

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:43 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            I would have welcomed the fabricated fiscal cliff rather than even consider the solution our loser-infested congress came up with. A new low for ALL of them. Idiots on BOTH sides of the aisle. To any fool in the room who points the fingers at only republicans or only democrats, or Boehner or Obama...there's enough blame to go around evenly. We need to stop this infighting and realize we need to stand together against these bozos (sorry, for the insult to bozos). Can we do this? Will it have an impact? Well, HTC? mooseberryinn? kohana? IABD? Rob? Pete? jenny doe and laker1?Rebel?...most of all, Frank? I for one will start out the new year by not attacking any of you personally; but I don't abide too much provocation so I may snap back occasionally if the personal insults become more than tedious. Right now, I am sick to the core over our current government, and the past one. Don't twist my meaning; you know what I mean.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:30 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 9:17 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.
            "kohanna- Yep jennydoe, simply junkies, who build bombs. Nothing to see here, move on."

            IABD- Yep jennydoe, along with two shotguns, ammunition, a .233 caliber assault rifle ...Just wondering if the urban assault rifle was manufactured locally in the Flathead valley by HTC and included the usual scope and silencer. Nothing to see here, move on..

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:24 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            If Hobby Lobby can opt out of birth control covered by insurance because it conflicts with their religious beliefs, then a Scientologist employer can deny psychiatric coverage; a Jehovah's Witness can deny blood transfusions; a Mormon can refuse to cover medicine with alcohol in it. Just because you employ a person doesn't entitle you to make that person's medical decisions.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:39 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013
            Al Gore sells Current TV to Al-Jazeera, nets reported $100 million

            It's hard enough to educate people about Islam and sharia law, without innocent kids, teens, and adults without a clue, being brainwashed by Al-Jazeera. Especially when so many people think Al Gore is the next best thing to Obama.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:23 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/marines-scathing-response-to-sen-feinsteins-gun-control-proposal-i-am-not-your-subject-i-am-the-man-who-keeps-you-free/

            U.S. Marine’s Scathing Response to Sen. Feinstein’s Gun Control Proposal:

            ‘I Am Not Your Subject. I Am the Man Who Keeps You Free’

            · Posted on January 2, 2013 at 7:30pm by Jason Howerton

            One U.S. Marine was more than a little displeased with California Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s draconian gun control proposal, which includes an assault weapons ban and provisions on handguns and even “grandfathered weapons.”

            The letter, written by U.S. Marine Joshua Boston, was titled “No ma’am” and was first posted on CNN iReport on Dec. 27. The letter has since gone viral and has been shared extensively on social media sites like Facebook and Twitter, as it seemingly has resonated with a segment of the American population.

            Read Boston’s entire “No ma’am” letter below and then share it with others:

            Senator Dianne Feinstein,
            I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.

            I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America.
            I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man.

            I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public.

            We, the people, deserve better than you.

            Respectfully Submitted,
            Joshua Boston
Cpl,
            United States Marine Corps
            2004-2012

             
          • kohana posted at 9:17 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Yep jennydoe, simply junkies, who build bombs. Nothing to see here, move on.

             
          • laker1 posted at 8:52 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            Good call, JennyDoe.

            http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/bomb_mom_thief_cops_htnIDbg5l1f9cvLGwGBonJ

             
          • kohana posted at 8:49 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            This was supposed to be included in my last post.

            Frank, you need to understand that your youthful activities, as well as my brother’s and mine, would now have us condemned as “terrorist.” In addition, I spent many an hour with my toy guns play “cops and robbers” and “cowboys and Indians” my goodness, what little potential freaks we were, living on a farm at that!

             
          • kohana posted at 8:47 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            January 3, 2013

            Six-year-old Suspended for Firing Assault Finger
            Selwyn Duke

            If you want to know why we're breeding some crazy youngsters nowadays, you only have to look at the adults surrounding them. A case in point is a Maryland elementary school that recently suspended a little child for using an assault finger. Writes the Washington Examiner:

            The 6-year-old, who attends Roscoe R. Nix Elementary School in Silver Spring, made a gun with his hands, pointed it at another student and said "pow," according to Robin Ficker, the boy's attorney. He was given a one-day suspension, with a conference on the matter planned for Jan. 2....

            Wow.
            He said "pow."
            And I bet it really was "POW!"

            If you're wondering why the child has an attorney, know that, as things currently stand, the boy's permanent record will indicate that he tried to shoot another student.
            Yet we have to be fair. The Examiner also tells us, "According to a letter sent by Assistant Principal Renee Garraway to the child's parents, this was not the first time something like this had happened."

            Well, that's definitely a pattern of violent behavior. Why, who knows what this kid contemplates in his little cranium over his morning bowl of Fruit Loops? And has his home been searched? He may be in possession of miniature soldiers and tanks and brightly colored weapons that shoot foam projectiles. I mean, I'm sure he's not as bad as these testosterone-fueled brats -- please watch the video so you can know what our gift-from-on-high liberals saved us from -- but this tyke is definitely a "bad boy." Or is that considered a redundancy today?

            Read the rest as Frank's computer won't accept it.

            Page Printed from:

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/six-year-old_suspended_for_firing_assault_finger.html

            at January 03, 2013 - 09:38:17 AM CST

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:39 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Al Gore sells Current TV to Al-Jazeera, nets reported $100 million
            January 3, 2013

            Former Vice President Al Gore has made himself a much, much richer man by selling his little watched cable channel Current TV to the Emir of Qatar-funded Arab news channel Al-Jazeera.

            Gore netted $100 million with his 20 percent stake in the network when it was sold for a reported $500 million on Wednesday.

            Al-Jazeera plans to euthanize the struggling, seven-year-old Current TV and turn it into Al-Jazeera America by adding five to 10 new U.S. bureaus beyond the five it has now. More than half of its content will be U.S. news, and the network will have its headquarters in New York, according to a rep.

            But while Al-Jazeera will now be available in millions more American homes, it will not be seen on the nation's second-largest TV operator, Time Warner Cable, as they dropped Current TV immediately after the sale became final.

            "Our agreement with Current has been terminated and we will no longer be carrying the service. We are removing the service as quickly as possible," the company said in a statement.

            Time Warner Cable's move is a sign that Al-Jazeera will have an uphill climb to shed its reputation as a purveyor of Arab propaganda, but the acquisition of Current TV instantly boosts its reach in the U.S. nearly ninefold, to about 40 million homes.

            But even if it’s part of their cable plan, will people tune in?

            “There are still people who will not watch it, who will say that it’s a ‘terrorist network,’ ” Philip Seib, the author of “The Al Jazeera Effect,” told the New York Times.

            Al-Jazeera has been criticized for having a pro-Islamist bent, and accused of working with members of Al Qaeda. One of its journalists was arrested in Israel in 2011 on suspicion of being an agent of the Palestinian group Hamas. Dave Marash, a former "Nightline" reporter who worked for Al-Jazeera in Washington, said he left the network in 2008 in part because he sensed an anti-American bias there.

            Another hurdle for Al-Jazeera is that few are watching Current TV now, with an average prime time viewership around 42,000 for shows starring disgraced New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, Jennifer Granholm and other liberal pundits.

            But Gore, on his way out the door, sees a bright future for Al-Jazeera America where his Current TV failed, saying both networks were founded "to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling."

            http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/01/03/al-gore-nets-reported-100-million-in-sale-current-tv-to-al-jazeera/#ixzz2GvYWLMZr

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:34 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Pete: Tim Carney: How corporate tax credits got in the 'cliff' deal

            HTC: We've seen a lot of this in the past four years, almost all of it at the insistence of Democrats; yet, the idiots that vote for them insist that it is the GOP which is in bed with corporate America. Ignorant fools.....

             
          • kohana posted at 8:33 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109


            When our bureaucrats overstep their bounds, maybe Montana can enact such a law:

            January 3, 2013
            Martha the Farmer May Have the Last Laugh
            Mark J. Fitzgibbons

            Martha Boneta, the Virginia farmer at the center of the Pitchfork Protest in August that gained national attention, may have found the ultimate way to keep lawbreaking bureaucrats in check.

            Fauquier County, Virginia shut down Martha's quaint farm store for selling her produce and items such as goats milk soap without a special permit, even though she had a business license. The county also charged her with holding events without a permit, and as evidence used a picture from her Facebook page of a private birthday party for eight 10-year-old girls.

            Martha filed suit against the county and its zoning administrator Kim Johnson alleging that the county violated Virginia's Right to Farm Act, among other counts.

            What is of even more widespread interest and greater impact, however, is that Virginia State Delegate Scott Lingamfelter announced yesterday that he has filed the Boneta Bill amending the Right to Farm Act. He will hold a press conference next Tuesday at the State Capitol in Richmond, which will include farmer and best-selling author Joel Salatin. Lingamfelter is an unabashed, freedom-loving conservative, and is running for Lieutenant Governor. Says Lingamfelter:

            "House Bill 1430 will ensure that no government official, elected or appointed, will restrict the right to property that our Founding Fathers, many of whom were Virginia farmers, held as inherent and sacred. The Boneta Bill adds teeth to the Virginia Right to Farm Act to protect property rights and individual liberties."

            Teeth to protect liberty? The Boneta Bill is no token whiff at the problem, explains FauquierFreeCitizen.com: "H.B. 1430 adds teeth to the [Virginia Right to Farm Act] and tempers overzealous counties and county officials by making them subject to the same fines and penalties that they might seek to unlawfully impose on farmer-citizens."

            The Boneta Bill is clearly onto something big: making government officials who act unlawfully in the conduct of their duties subject to the same types of penalties that we little people face if we were violate the law. Anyone except lawbreaking government bureaucrats has to love that.

            You can read H.B. 1430, the Boneta Bill, here:

            http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?131+ful+HB1430

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          • kohana posted at 8:31 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:08 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013

            What is even worse, law enforcement officers, active or retired were included. So, anyone holding a grudge against an officer in his/her legitimate line of duty, becomes a target. I wonder if any of those hired guns had their names and addresses published.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

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            jennydoe posted at 6:37 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013

            That was a STRANGE move on Boehner's part, essentially tabling that issue for a few days until the new Congress is seated. I'm eagerly looking forward to his explanation.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:24 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            jennydoe: 'It looks like they’re junkies, well-to-do junkies, not terrorists,'

            HTC: Talk to anyone who has worked with heroin junkies, either from a law enforcement perspective (as I have) or on the rehab side of things, and they'll tell you that junkies don't do what this couple was apparently preparing for.

            If desperate for a fix, the typically poor junkie might ultimately consider robbery but wouldn't possess the tools for terrorism, especially explosives. But this pair were rich, so money for their habit wasn't an issue.

            I'm simply not buying the story that they're just confused junkies.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:08 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            kohana: Newspaper That Published The Names & Addresses of Gun Owners Hires Armed Guards

            HTC: Don't you just love it when the idiots in the press are forced to live in the real world with the rest of us? Of course, they aren't providing armed guards for the people they put in jeopardy by their reckless article listing all gun owners in their area. They'll claim immunity from liability under the blanket of the First Amendment, even though they'll insist and acknowledge that the Second Amendment gives no such immunities to gun owners.


             
          • Pete posted at 7:19 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Tim Carney: How corporate tax credits got in the 'cliff' deal

            The "fiscal cliff" legislation passed this week included $76 billion in special-interest tax credits for the likes of General Electric, Hollywood and even Captain Morgan. But these subsidies weren't the fruit of eleventh-hour lobbying conducted on the cliff's edge -- they were crafted back in August in a Senate committee, and they sat dormant until the White House reportedly insisted on them this week.

            The Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012, which passed through the Senate Finance Committee in August, was copied and pasted into the fiscal cliff legislation, yielding a victory for biotech companies, wind-turbine-makers, biodiesel producers, film studios -- and their lobbyists. So, if you're wondering how algae subsidies became part of a must-pass package to avert the dreaded fiscal cliff, credit the Biotechnology Industry Organization's lobbying last summer.

            Some tax lobbyists mostly ignored the August bill "because they thought it would be just a political document," one K Streeter told me. "They were the ones that got bit in the butt."

            Here's what happened: In late July, Finance Chairman Max Baucus announced the committee would soon convene to craft a bill extending many expiring tax credits. This attracted lobbyists like a raw steak attracts wolves.

            Former Sens. John Breaux, D-La., and Trent Lott, R-Miss., a pair of rainmaker lobbyists, pleaded for extensions on behalf of a powerful lineup of clients.

            General Electric and Citigroup, for instance, hired Breaux and Lott to extend a tax provision that allows multinational corporations to defer U.S. taxes by moving profits into offshore financial subsidiaries. This provision -- known as the "active financing exception" -- is the main tool GE uses to avoid nearly all U.S. corporate income tax.

            Liquor giant Diageo also retained Breaux and Lott to win extensions on two provisions benefitting rum-making in Puerto Rico.

            The K Street firm Capitol Tax Partners, led by Treasury Department alumni from the Clinton administration, represented an even more impressive list of tax clients, who paid CTP more than $1.68 million in the third quarter.

            Besides financial clients like Citi, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, CTP represented green energy companies like GE and the American Wind Energy Association. These companies won extension and expansion of the production tax credit for wind energy.

            Hollywood hired CTP, too: The Motion Picture Association of America won an extension on tax credits for film production.

            After packing 50 tax credit extensions into the bill, the committee voted 19 to 5 to pass it. But then it stalled. The Senate left for the conventions and the fall campaign. Meanwhile, House Republicans signaled resistance to some of the extensions -- especially for green energy.

            One lobbyist said he didn't worry too much about the Baucus bill because "we knew the House wasn't going to pass it." But another lobbyist, who had worked on the Puerto Rico issues, said he saw Baucus' bill as an important starting point that "set the parameters" of a future fight with House Republicans.

            But there never was a fight. Baucus' bill sat ignored until last week, when the White House sat down with Senate Republicans to craft a deal averting the fiscal cliff.

            A Republican Senate aide familiar with the cliff negotiations tells me the White House wanted permanent extensions of a whole slew of corporate tax credits. When Senate Republicans said no, "the White House insisted that the exact language" of the Baucus bill be included in the fiscal cliff deal. "They were absolutely insistent," another aide tells me. (The White House did not return requests for comment.)

            Sure enough, Title II of the fiscal cliff legislation is nearly a word-for-word replication of the Family and Business Tax Cut Certainty Act of 2012.

            So, this wasn't a case of lobbyists sneaking provisions into a huge package at the last minute. That probably wouldn't have been possible, many lobbyists told me Wednesday, because the workload in the past two weeks was too large and the political stakes were too high.

            One lobbyist who worked on the bill over the summer said he would never ask a member " 'Hey, can you do this for a client,' when their political lives are on the line."

            "The legislators and the staff go underground when things get so intense," another Hill staffer-turned-lobbyist told me. "Nobody has time for a meeting. Nobody wants to talk about what's going on. ... The key is to plant the seed months in advance."

            GE, Goldman Sachs, Diageo -- they planted their seeds over the summer. They'll enjoy the fruit in the new year.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:52 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            Note - the last two lines of above editorial should scare the Heck out of Americans. Comrade Obama and his demo-politburo, want to do away with our constitution as it limits their power. Polls clearly show the majority of Americans oppose further gun control, and rightly so.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:46 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            60 billion - (twice NJ's entire annual budget?). Word is this disaster relief bill is loaded with unrelated pork. It is a good thing it was delayed and will be examined. Mean while - NJ is receiving aid needed.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:53 am on Thu, Jan 3, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/big-lebowski-explains-the-fiscal-cliff.html

            "The Big Lebowski Explains the Fiscal Cliff"

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:37 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            bill: Also on top of that everyone in this country has to give the govt. about $200 to cover spending of hurricane Sandy. $60 billion
            -----
            not yet. can't you see why some republicans are mad at other republicans????

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:29 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            When Unrepentant Terrorists Teach Our Youth
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            'It looks like they’re junkies, well-to-do junkies, not terrorists,'

            Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255609/Morgan-Gliedman-Aaron-Greene-junkies-terrorists-police-say.html#ixzz2Gs6MrbZj

             
          • kohana posted at 5:45 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            When Unrepentant Terrorists Teach Our Youth

            Posted By Joseph Klein On January 2, 2013

            Morgan Gliedman, 27, and her boyfriend Aaron Greene, 31, were arrested on weapons charges this past weekend in their Greenwich Village apartment on West 9th Street. They were charged with possessing bomb-making materials and were also found to have in their apartment bomb-making manuals, various booby traps and a sawed-off shotgun. Both are reported to “have close ties to the left-wing social and academic establishment in Chicago and elsewhere,” according to The Daily Caller which had access to confirming records. Although no clear motive or link to any known terrorist group has been established to date, the chief spokesperson for the New York Police Department characterized the explosive they found in the apartment as one “used in terrorists’ attacks previously.”

            This story brought to mind an incident in a West Village townhouse nearly forty-three years ago, when a trio of radicals, while finishing up preparations to bomb the Non-Commissioned Officers Dance at Fort Dix, blew themselves up in an explosion of a New York City townhouse on West 11th Street in Greenwich Village. It so happens that I had gone to high school with one of these radicals, Terry Robbins.

            When I knew Robbins, he was a serious, relatively shy kid – conservatively dressed and with no particular political ideology that he was trying to promote. I never saw Terry Robbins again after high school. He went on to embrace radical left causes, including the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS). After dropping out of Kenyon College, Robbins linked up with Bill Ayers, an unrepentant leader of radical domestic terrorist groups during the 1960s and ’70s, to recruit members to join the SDS. Robbins helped found with Ayers the even more radical Weatherman Organization (which later became known as the Weather Underground), based himself in Chicago and plotted with Ayers to bomb one of Chicago’s historical monuments.

            Ayers said that Robbins’ “extremism was an impulse in all of us.” Robbins extremism led him to plot more aggressive bombings, until he met his fate in the explosion at the West Village townhouse on March 6, 1970.

            Robbins’ close associate Bill Ayers lost his girlfriend Diana Oughton in the explosion. Nevertheless, the radical Ayers, who years later would help launch President Barack Obama’s political career in Chicago, carried on Robbins’ work by participating in the bombings of New York City Police Department headquarters in 1970, the United States Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972.

            Had Robbins survived, I have little doubt that he would have been welcomed to join the faculty at one of our many left-wing academic institutions. Terrorists are rewarded in academia. After all, that’s what happened to Bill Ayers, who, though he remains unrepentant for what he did, became a tenured professor in the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

            In an interview he gave in 1995, Ayers said: “I am a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist … The ethics of communism still appeal to me.” Two years later, Chicago awarded him its Citizen of the Year award.

            Ayers’ wife Bernardine Dohrn, who was also a leader of the Weather Underground and was a principal signatory to a “Declaration of a State of War” against the United States government, is an Associate Professor of Law at Northwestern University School of Law and the immediate past Director of Northwestern’s Children and Family Justice Center.

            A hint at what she may be teaching her students appeared in a statement she made in 2010: “The real terrorist is the American government, state terrorism unleashed against the world.” Another hint emerged in her statement about NATO during its meeting in Chicago last May: “NATO is a global secret cabal. It is the military arm of the global 1 percent.”

            Back in 1969, Dohrn described the bloody murders recently committed by the Manson Family (in which the pregnant actress Sharon Tate and several other inhabitants of a Benedict Canyon mansion had been brutally stabbed to death) this way: “Dig it! First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them. They even shoved a fork into the victim’s stomach! Wild!”

            Northwestern University School of Law couldn’t be bothered by the outrageous acts and vile statements of their associate law professor, including her reveling in the killing of a woman and the life growing in her womb. Bernardine Dohrn’s faculty profile describes her simply as “a child advocate who teaches, lectures and write about children’s law, juvenile justice, the needs and rights of youth, and international human rights.”

            Two radicals who survived the explosion in the West Village townhouse, were Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson.

            Boudin, along with several members of the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army, robbed a Brinks armored car at the Nanuet Mall, in Nanuet, New York in 1981, resulting in the deaths of two police officers and a guard. Boudin pled guilty to one count of felony murder and robbery. While incarcerated, she wrote and managed to get published articles in the Harvard Educational Review and poems for which she won the International PEN prize. In the meantime, her son was adopted by Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn.

            After Boudin was released from prison in 2003, she became an assistant professor at Columbia University School of Social Work. Incredibly, Boudin’s faculty profile discusses her work on “criminal justice issues including women in prison; mother-child relationships and parenting from a distance; adolescent relationships with incarcerated parents; restorative justice, and higher education and basic literacy inside correctional institutions,” but leaves out entirely her own lengthy incarceration for murder.

            Cathy Wilkerson’s father owned the townhouse that blew up in 1970, killing three of her Weatherman comrades including Terry Robbins. She served eleven months in jail on explosives charges. For the past twenty years, she has been teaching mathematics in high schools and adult education programs. Does she have any regrets about her Weatherman days? Not a chance. ”We were way not the first,” she said in an interview with the New York Times in 2003. ”It was a mass phenomenon. In 1969, national liberation was sweeping the world and looked like it was going to be the main vehicle for ushering in popular governments.”

            Convicted terrorist Susan Rosenberg was involved with several terrorist groups in the 1970s and early 1980s, including the Black Liberation Army, the Weather Underground, and The Family.

            Rosenberg was sentenced in 1984 to a 58-year prison term for the possession of more than 700 pounds of explosives and a stockpile of illicit weapons, but was pardoned by President Bill Clinton in January 2001. She was offered the opportunity to teach a course at New York’s Hamilton College after being written up very positively in a whitewashed biography put out by the campus leftwing “social justice” organization known as the Kirkland Project. She was hailed as “an award-winning writer, an activist, and a teacher who offers a unique perspective as a writer.” Missing was any mention of her terrorist jailbird record.

            Another veteran member of the Weather Underground, who pled guilty to the bombing of the U.S. Capitol in 1983, is Laura Whitehorn. Although (maybe because) she remains unrepentant for her terrorist activities, Whitehorn gets invitations to speak at some of the nation’s most prestigious universities. She has been described in publicity for her lecture at Duke University, for example, as a “political prisoner,” and a “champion of human rights.”

            The unrepentant terrorists of yesterday are honored members or guests of the nation’s left-wing faculties today. Their platforms have enabled them to become mentors to new generations of potential terrorists. Were Morgan Gliedman and Aaron Greene auditioning to take over the roles of Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn in their prime? Whatever led them down the path to an explosives laden apartment in the West Village, so eerily similar to the path taken by Terry Robins and his Weather Underground associates that ended in a deadly explosion nearly forty-three years ago, may become more apparent in the coming days.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • kohana posted at 4:21 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            Newspaper That Published The Names & Addresses of Gun Owners Hires Armed Guards

            http://www.theblaze.com/stories/newspaper-that-published-the-names-addresses-of-gun-owners-hires-armed-guards/

            Of course, this was only after the names and addresses of the employees of the newspaper were published and they started getting negative e-mails and phone calls.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:50 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            As we closely watch and listen to the daily spot prices of Kool-Aid and mormon jello continue to increase as reported by Fox Marketing analyst HTC, we wonder how Mr. H will explain this to his employees and their families still working at his high-tech assault weapons manufacturing plant? There just isn't enough to go around anymore.

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2255093/Warren-Jeffs-followers-prepare-end-world-close-2012-experts-warn-proclamation-mean-sinister-sect-loyal-convicted-sex-offender.html

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 2:46 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            The biggest losers? Not El Presidente Hugo Obama. The folks who lose, (again) are us. We must remember to thank Max and Jon boy for this peachy little train-wreck also. Just think of all we've been through in the past four years or so. What an adventure! And yet, we can still say with confidence, "the worst is yet to come".

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 2:16 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            who new: Although I would have preferred to go off the fiscal cliff, thereby raising taxes on virtually everyone so they could have some skin in the game and feel the pain of paying for everything big government ‘gives’ us, I am actually encouraged for two reasons.

            HTC: I would have preferred that as well and for the same reason.

            who new: One, considering how about 40 Republican representatives hamstrung John Boehner by not agreeing to support his Plan B, the tax increases included in the fiscal cliff package are relatively minor. But more importantly, I don’t know how the Democrats can bring up the increased tax issue again for the remainder of Obama’s presidency, since this was essentially their solution and the public perceives the Republicans to have lost the argument.

            HTC: You are correct that this bill helps to paint the Democrats into a corner now that the next step is spending cuts. The Democrats, in spite of repeated promises to do so, have never delivered a significant spending cut ever since Reagan tried to work with them and O'Neill promised significant cuts, if only Reagan would consent to tax increases as a 'necessary' first step.

            Polls continue to show that a solid majority of Americans realize that there have to be significant spending cuts as well as tax increases. Now that they perceive that the GOP caved on the tax issue, they'll be looking for similar concessions from the Democrats. When they fail to see them and our economic condition only worsens, there will be no one left to blame except the Democrats.

            who new: I don’t know how Obama could have handled the negotiations any more poorly, as he ended up looking like a fool with no negotiating skills. I believe both parties will view his involvement as irrelevant to any further negotiations. The biggest loser after this whole fiasco? Barack Obama.

            HTC: While Obama's performance was indeed pathetic and juvenile, I wouldn't count on him 'losing' over it, as his followers are completely untethered from reality. At this point, there are basically only two groups where Obama is concerned: (1) Those who long ago recognized what a narcissistic idiot and Marxist he is and (2) those who worship the ground he walks on and will forgive him anything, especially with the MSM telling them who to blame instead.

            In a world where those who had their heads shoved up a dark smelly place were in a distinct minority, he never would have made Time Magazine's Person of the Year one time, let alone two times, and Stockholm would have never awarded him a Nobel Peace Prize for what they HOPED he'd achieve.

            This is indeed a world gone mad but I understand your hesitation in accepting that fact.


             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:41 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            who new : Good points. In 60 days, it will play out again, as the debt limit is reached and the battle over Tax Reform-Write Offs vs Spending Cuts returns......actually, it hasn't been addressed in depth yet. Just 15 second sound bites for constituents to feed on, as the bozo's kick the can down the road.

             
          • who new posted at 1:13 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            who new Posts: 367

            Although I would have preferred to go off the fiscal cliff, thereby raising taxes on virtually everyone so they could have some skin in the game and feel the pain of paying for everything big government ‘gives’ us, I am actually encouraged for two reasons.

            One, considering how about 40 Republican representatives hamstrung John Boehner by not agreeing to support his Plan B, the tax increases included in the fiscal cliff package are relatively minor. But more importantly, I don’t know how the Democrats can bring up the increased tax issue again for the remainder of Obama’s presidency, since this was essentially their solution and the public perceives the Republicans to have lost the argument.

            Two, I don’t know how Obama could have handled the negotiations any more poorly, as he ended up looking like a fool with no negotiating skills. I believe both parties will view his involvement as irrelevant to any further negotiations. The biggest loser after this whole fiasco? Barack Obama.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:18 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            Thanks substantially to the medical device manufacturing tax in ObamaCare which began this January 1, over 7000 layoffs have been announced thus far:

            http://www.massdevice.com/news/medical-devices-companies-2012-year-layoff

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 12:16 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            Oh wait, did jhat really "relief act"?? Remember what I noted about the communists always name their laws/actions etc. exactly the opposite of what they are? Tah dah! Happened again....

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 12:13 pm on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            Il Duce, the dip#### strikes again. Higher taxes for everyone, and...... the deficit climbs by another 4 trillion! yea!!!!!!!! Hey save up for dollar bills, you can use them to start the woodstove fire.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:11 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

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            Here's the CBO's analysis of the cliff bill (H.R. 8). It's not pretty:

            http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/interactive/2013/01/01/full-text-cbo-score-american-taxpayer-relief-act-2012/

             
          • bill39 posted at 8:02 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            HTC: That cut to spending is so pathetically small that it amounts to only 1.5 days worth of federal spending.

            Also on top of that everyone in this country has to give the govt. about $200 to cover spending of hurricane Sandy. $60 billion divided by 300 million people. Of course 300 million people dont pay taxes, so all the bill will fall on the taxpayers alone. Good job Max and Jon. In 1 year, Max, I want an accounting of every penny of that 60 billion. Ya right.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:56 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Rob123: In a statement from the White House, President Obama praised the bill as “one step in the broader effort to strengthen our economy.” But he admitted that “the deficit is still too high” and called for a balanced approach of raising new revenues by closing tax loopholes and eliminating deductions for rich individuals and corporations and cutting government spending. Obama called Medicare the “biggest contributor to our deficit” and said that Congress must “find a way to reform our program without hurting seniors who count on it to survive.” He also drew an important line in the sand, reiterating that he “will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up, through the laws that they passed.” If Congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, Obama said, “the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic, far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff.”


            HTC: More lies from the Liar-in-Chief. He doesn't want to cut spending and never will. The man who, as a first time presidential candidate called our massive debt which our children will struggle to pay back, an immoral act; who, as a Senator, once criticized our ever increasing debt ceilings and fiscal irresponsibility as unconscionable; and who vigorously attacked the Ryan plan (the ONLY serious plan to save Medicare yet put forward) and referred to it as "gutting Medicare" is now demanding fiscal responsibility concurrent with higher debt ceilings and Medicare reform?

            Yeah, right.

            The CBO's own analysis of the cliff bill just passed, which assumes that the sequestration cuts which have only been delayed will actually occur, still predicts another $4T will be added to the national debt due to the increased spending in the bill which more than consumes the additional tax revenues it will supposedly generate.

            This is "fiscal responsibility" Obama-Democratic Party style and this nonsense is certain to heavily impact capital investment, job creation AND middle class incomes.

            Only a fool can't see through the very thin veil of lies with which this president and his party have wrapped themselves.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:42 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Nothing Is Certain Except More Debt and Taxes
            The Senate fiscal-cliff bill still means higher taxes on every working American. So much for just going after 'the rich.'
            By DAVID MALPASS
            The Wall Street Journal
            January 1, 2013

            Whatever ultimately emerges from the fiscal-cliff negotiations over the past 48 hours, the country will survive. But the damage can't be undone. Taxes are going up for all working Americans. And so is the size of government.

            Businesses have been waiting to see whether a second Obama administration will encourage the economy. During the fiscal-cliff negotiations, however, the president made clear that his goal isn't to get business going again but instead to expand government and redistribute income. He offered no real spending cuts and instead used the year-end deadline to divide America into classes—to the point of campaigning on New Year's Eve against higher earners. Though the president talks about fairness, his policies penalize profit and investment. This hurts aspiring Americans more than it hurts those who have already made it.

            The deal that emerged from the Senate early Tuesday morning is being sold as a tax cut for the middle class, but the expiration of the two-percentage-point payroll tax holiday means that working Americans' take-home pay will drop. The bill reduces the value of tax deductions for upper incomes and, with the new open-ended 3.8% Medicare tax that was enacted under ObamaCare, income-tax rates on families and small business owners earning over $450,000 have been pushed above 44%.

            The Senate bill makes the tax code more complex, provides for no spending cuts and creates four deadlines—for the debt-limit increase within weeks, the March 1 automatic spending cuts known as the sequester, a second sequester on March 27 (to make up for overspending since the first sequester) and the March 30 expiration of government spending authority. These deadlines will keep Washington negotiations on the front page for months but with little likelihood that government will cut programs, sell assets or downsize the 1,300 federal agencies and commissions.

            No wonder many House Republicans balked at what was presented. The New Year's Day legislation is breathtaking in its largess. The Senate bill extends 52 tax credits, mostly for one year, ensuring huge annual lobbying fees and political contributions. Section 206 provides a juicy capital-gains tax exemption for contributions of property for conservation, meaning wealthy environmentalists with extra acreage will be able to take a tax deduction for the appreciated property and have the environmental organization preserve it, adding to the value of the primary property. Section 312 provides faster tax deductions for "motorsports entertainment complexes." Section 317 allows expensing of film and television productions, meaning lower taxes for Hollywood.

            The bill devotes much space to tax credits for government-approved energy schemes, providing taxpayer subsidies for energy-efficient new homes, existing homes, appliances, cellulosic biofuel and "Indian coal facilities." Underscoring the complexity of the tax code, the bill takes seven pages to index the alternative minimum tax for inflation because it takes side trips to curry favor with the owners of plug-in electric vehicles and with first-time home-buyers in the District of Columbia.

            The pattern across the developed world is for politicians to negotiate with each other and, after much drama, make the brave decision to downsize jobs through taxes and mandates rather than downsizing government. This country is no different: Whatever tax and spending decisions Washington makes over the next few months, the likelihood is that government will be bigger in 2013 and the fiscal problems even more urgent.

            There has emerged from the budget negotiations no process to cut government programs, limit the debt or reform the tax code. Many tax rates have now gone up and almost no spending restraint has been implemented, hurting 2013 investment and hiring. Even if the spending sequester is allowed to proceed on March 1 or substitutes are found, the cuts will be a small fraction of the spending binge in recent years that left a string of $1 trillion deficits.

            The Congressional Budget Office scores the Senate bill as adding $4 trillion to the national debt by 2022. That assumes the sequester or equivalent spending cuts are fully implemented in March, which seems unlikely. Some are hoping that during the coming confrontation over the debt-limit increase fiscal conservatives will be able to recover lost ground on spending. That won't work, because the debt limit doesn't provide much leverage.

            The debt-limit statute was written specifically to make it easier to increase the debt, not as a way to limit the debt. It should be repealed and replaced with a law that cuts spending when there is too much debt. While Republicans rightly want to stop the unending growth in debt, the current debt-limit statute gives most of the power to the president, allowing him to shut down parts of the government and blame holdouts until he gets enough votes for more debt.

            Rather than rejecting an increase in the debt limit, fiscal conservatives should offer a lasting remedy. This would be a debt-to-GDP limit that, when exceeded, would give the president the power to underspend congressional appropriations and to propose fast-track reductions in entitlements—but would also require him to make monthly reports to the public on excess spending and prohibit raises for government employees making over $100,000.

            Fighting under the current rules isn't working and leaves government inexorably bigger. The country can't afford this approach. Demographics are making it harder each year to restrain spending or win elections on the platform of limited government. The rules pit fiscal conservatives against themselves, leading to bigger government.

            Regardless of how the current crisis is ultimately resolved, there is sure to be another. Republicans and fiscally conservative Democrats should use every opportunity to strengthen the framework for limited government, in order to restrain federal spending and allow the private economy to grow.

            Mr. Malpass, a deputy assistant Treasury secretary and legislative manager for the 1986 Tax Reform Act in the Reagan administration, is president of Encima Global LLC.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:23 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            mooseberryinn ":....Obama come up with to explain his decree of a pay raise?"

            Many perceive 'Logic' to be the Alpha & Omega of reality, so I probably am not the best person to ask such a question of. HTC knows the answer before you ask the question, maybe ring his bell? [wink]

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 6:14 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            Rob123 - Not worried. I just think it's funny. and curious. I mean just what kind of logic would Il Duce Obama come up with to explain his decree of a pay raise?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:30 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            mooseberryinn posted at 5:14 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            Don't worry Moose, the Dept of Ag subsidies were granted an extension, so you can keep milking that cow!

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:14 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            2013 - Day 2 - Il Duce Obama notices the deficit is too high. Hmm, He has had a part in making it so. Anyway - Standby for still more destruction of the American economy under the czars of the Obama regime. But first - Wasn't it really generous of Il Duce Obama to decree a raise for congress?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:12 am on Wed, Jan 2, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            I think it was George Carlin who opined, 'if voting made a difference, it would be outlawed.'

            "HERE IT IS: Full Text Of The 157 Page Bill To Avert The Fiscal Cliff

            Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/breaking-full-text-of-the-157-page-bill-to-avert-the-fiscal-cliff-2013-1#ixzz2Goryrp00

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:54 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            As the House began voting on the measure, Grover Norquist gave his blessing, tweeting that since the vote took place in the new year — after the Bush tax cuts have technically expired — “Every R voting for Senate bill is cutting taxes and keeping his/her pledge.”
            UPDATE
            Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) explains why he voted in favor of the bill: “When you like something, you vote for it. …I wasn’t afraid.” House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), who usually doesn’t vote, also backed the measure.
            UPDATE
            In a statement from the White House, President Obama praised the bill as “one step in the broader effort to strengthen our economy.” But he admitted that “the deficit is still too high” and called for a balanced approach of raising new revenues by closing tax loopholes and eliminating deductions for rich individuals and corporations and cutting government spending. Obama called Medicare the “biggest contributor to our deficit” and said that Congress must “find a way to reform our program without hurting seniors who count on it to survive.” He also drew an important line in the sand, reiterating that he “will not have another debate with this Congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they’ve already racked up, through the laws that they passed.” If Congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling, Obama said, “the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic, far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff.”

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:11 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            IABD, let me translate HTC's 9:30 pm post aimed at you.

            Insult
            Insult
            Insult
            Boast
            Interpretation
            Accusation
            Challenge
            Assumption
            Insult
            Insult
            Observation laced with ridicule
            Final insult

            Pretty much follows the same propaganda outline as all his posts. He's a bag of wind, which he siphons from his backside.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:00 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, Do you expect to not be indicted for a class D felony for threatening the President Obama or Hilary Clinton along with your aging and senile demented rocker buddies such as good ole boy Ted Nugent of the NRA during the next 4 years? Legally you know that you can always pull some cannabis out of your pocket and say you did not mean it and pay a small fine and spend 5 years in a luxury Federal Penitentiary Resort getting the best medical treatment possible. Is your plan to continue your never ending insults in expectation of electing Jeb Bush in 2016 if magic underwear is no longer in fashion then?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:08 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Obama's Tax Bill Comes Due
            The Wall Street Journal
            January 1, 2013

            So Congress has passed a bill to avoid the tax cliff, hallelujah. This is the way to look at it if you have a pre-Copernican view of politics where Washington is the center of the economic universe. The better way to see it is that the tax bill on the private, productive part of the economy is now coming due for President Obama's first-term spending and re-election.

            The Senate-White House compromise grudgingly passed by the House is a Beltway classic: The biggest tax increase in 20 years in return for spending increases, and all spun for political purposes as a "tax cut for the middle class." But taxes on the middle class were only going up on January 1 because the politicians had set it up that way, manufacturing a fake crisis. The politicians now portray themselves as scrambling heroically to save the day by sparing the middle class while raising taxes on small business, investors and the affluent.

            The nearby table shows the taxes that are going up this year. The best that can be said is that Senate Republicans managed to moderate the increase in the death tax from what it would have been, and to spare some upper middle-class families from even higher taxes by raising the income threshold for the new 39.6% top rate. But even those families will still see their taxes raised because couples making more than $300,000 will begin to have their deductions and exemptions phased out as their income rises.
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            The bill also makes most of the tax provisions (including a fix to the Alternative Minimum Tax) permanent, which removes some uncertainty from business and investment decisions. So much for the good, or shall we say the less bad, news.

            On the other hand, the tax rate on capital gains will rise to 23.8% (including the 3.8% ObamaCare surtax), the highest rate since 1996, and at a time when business investment is mediocre. This contrasts with countries like Singapore and the Netherlands that compete with the U.S. for capital and have a capital-gains tax rate of zero.

            The estate tax deal is a reprieve only compared to the 45% that Mr. Obama wanted and the 55% that would have hit without a deal. Republicans still had to agree to a rate increase to 40% from 35%, and the $5 million exemption is a pittance for 50 years of work and thrift.

            After paying a lifetime of taxes on wages and salaries, business and farm profits and capital gains, Americans who save their money rather than spend it get the reward of giving 40% to Uncle Sam. As a political matter, the GOP also gave a big break to Democratic Senators running in 2014 who would have had to defend the 55% rate.

            As for small business, the overall tax increase this year is substantial. The new listed top rate of 39.6% doesn't include the phaseout of deductions that will take the actual rate to 41% or so for many taxpayers. Add the ObamaCare surtaxes on investment income (3.8%) and Medicare (0.9%), as well as the current Medicare tax of 1.45% (employee share), and the real top marginal tax rate on a dollar of investment income from a bank savings or money-market account will be about 46%. Throw in state taxes, and the marginal rates in many places will be in the mid-50%-or-higher-range.

            Meanwhile, even as Democrats claim these tax rates won't matter to investment, Senators stuffed their bill full of tax subsidies for special business interests. The wind tax credit survived (cost: $12.1 billion), and so did the tax breaks for cellulosic ethanol ($59 million) and the impoverished producers of Hollywood ($248 million).

            Mr. Obama said on New Year's Eve that he wants to pursue "tax reform" this year, but the Senate-White House bill is a walking repudiation of the concept. It's especially embarrassing that Republicans went along with this, given their 2012 campaign support for fewer loopholes in exchange for lower rates. We trust the CEOs who pushed for these special-interest provisions realize they can kiss goodbye their hopes of reducing the 35% corporate tax rate any time soon.

            Keep in mind that this entire exercise was also supposed to promote "deficit reduction." But the bill's special-interest favors give away much of the new tax revenue that Mr. Obama says he wants, and the bill's estimate of $620 billion more revenue over 10 years is probably too high as the rich change their behavior to avoid the higher rates.

            In any event, this bill increases spending by at least $30 billion by extending extra jobless benefits for another year. It also postpones for two months the automatic spending cuts that were set to begin this week, so in February we can all witness the delights of another phony showdown that will result in more phony deficit reduction. Maybe they can combine those with a phony debt-limit fight too.

            The private economy is growing, so perhaps it can absorb these tax shocks and keep moving. The tailwinds from the housing recovery and oil and gas revolution are helping, and the stock market is rising on a tide of easy money. But the higher rates will make the U.S. less competitive and keep growth slower than it might have been. As we learned in the 1980s and 1990s, faster growth than the anemic Obama recovery is the only real way to reduce deficits.
            ***

            If there is a silver lining to this fiasco, it is that this may be the high-water mark of Mr. Obama's redistributionist tax agenda. The President has had unusual leverage over Republicans because he just won re-election and because taxes were going to go up even if they did nothing. The GOP wanted to avoid the blame for not sparing the middle class from the higher rates.

            But we hope the GOP has learned, after two failed attempts, that Mr. Obama is not someone with whom it can do a "grand bargain." Even as the Senate deal was taking shape, Mr. Obama gave a speech literally taunting Republicans for agreeing to raise tax rates. He also made clear that the price of any future spending cuts or entitlement reform will be another tax increase. He doesn't want to reform government. He wants to expand it and destroy GOP opposition to his agenda in the bargain.

            Having been cornered into letting Democrats carry this special-interest slag heap through the House, Speaker John Boehner should from now on cease all backdoor negotiations and pursue regular legislative order. House Republicans should pursue their own agenda and let Mr. Obama and Senate Democrats pursue theirs. Mr. Obama has his tax triumph. Let it be his last.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:30 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: May I ask you Mr. H, do you uphold The Constitution of the United States of America as it is written, or do you maintain that the "federal government" is King, oh wise and masterful Mr. Ex- Federal Thought Policeman, sir?

            HTC: It is a sad thing to watch an aging hippie sink into the grip of senility.

            That said, unless English is a second or even third language for you, it should be obvious from my prior posts that I am a Constitutionalist and a libertarian and, as such, want as little federal government as possible. The Constitution, even if the courts pretend that the Tenth Amendment does not exist, makes it quite clear that federal powers are sharply limited in number and scope and that all powers not explicity granted by it to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people.

            It is you who has much to explain; that is, if you also believe in the Constitution as written. You continue to vote for Democrats and have even stated that the obviously Marxist Barack Obama was the only and obvious choice for president. Apparently you have no idea what the words in the Constitution actually mean, or you'd find the Democratic Party to be the antithesis of that document.

            But maybe that just brings us back to the senility thing.....

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:59 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            HTC-"The Constitution specifically authorizes the federal government to maintain an army and a navy."
            IABD- Let's quickly take a look at your wording....The words "federal government" are not written in the Constitution anywhere.

            IABD- May I ask you Mr. H, do you uphold The Constitution of the United States of America as it is written, or do you maintain that the "federal government" is King, oh wise and masterful Mr. Ex- Federal Thought Policeman, sir?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:00 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/sheriffs_first_bill_shot_down/21651/

            Apparently Sheriff Chuck Curry does not believe it is necessary to take an oath of office to uphold the constitutional rights of Flathead County citizen's against unwarranted home invasions by the Federal government.

            Curry: "Here in Northwest Montana, local sheriffs interviewed said they opposed the Sheriff's First act."

            What is Sheriff’s First?
            "Having a Sheriff‘s Department thoroughly grounded in the U.S. Constitution is vital to our freedom and liberties. Before peace officers anywhere in the United States can start their job, they must first swear an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution. This means that they do not blindly “just follow orders”. They should defend us from all injustices, even if it is from legislators, judges, or federal agents."

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:16 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Gee, H, I'd rather respond to fear by making things better for EVERYONE, not harming them. But, you have your ways and I have mine. Keep on with the insults and your weapons mfg. I'm just glad there are more of my kind than yours.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:48 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Guns are dangerous, but Montana Federal Judge Jack D. Shanstrom is more so...

            http://ethicscomplaint.blogspot.com/2012/02/expose-montana-judge-shanstrom-jack.html

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:16 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            http://www.themoneyillusion.com/?p=18429

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            It's a beautiful day posted at 8:32 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            A followup on Cultists in Montana

            Harry Stroup, Stanley Dean Baker's co-cannibal partner, as an inmate at Deer Lodge territorial prison on April 29th,1971 at 3 p.m. came running out into the prison yard and caught up with Dr. Leland Jensen who purported to be a religious archeology professor from Chicago and leader of Deer Lodge's prison cult known as the Bah'i Faith. Dr. Leland Jensen was also a chiropractor imprisoned for child molestation. Harry Stroup told Dr. Jensen after reading the Bible from cover to cover said unto him, "The Montana territorial prison stone walls with the seven watch towers is the "stone with seven eyes" in the third chapter of Zechariah, and you, Dr. Jensen, are the return of Jesus/Joshua the High Priest." Somehow in the translation Leland apparently meant "the land."
            Dr. Jensen once even publicly predicted the end of the world several years ago but was publicly laughed at after the event failed to occur after it was reported by the Montana media.
            Amazingly at the time, 1/3 of the prison inmates as well as several of the guards were suckered into becoming their followers. Still to this day, Harry Stroup is still bizarrely involved in a religious pyramid scheme with Dr. Jensen while apparently now living in Alaska.

            http://www.entrybytroops.org/high-priest.html

            Written by yours truly, the former editor of the Montana Prison News who was kicked out of the prison for stirring up too much controversy for his imprisonment over an attempt of possessing a misdemeanor amount of low grade marijuana.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:02 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Rebel Rouser: Wow! it must be nice to have your entire industry subsidized to death by the American tax payer!

            HTC: Actually, if you look at the massive tax on tobacco products, the users are largely paying those taxes themselves.

            Rebel Rouser: ....it doesn't barely kill anyone, go figure, H and K

            HTC: Ah, H&K (Heckler & Koch), one of my favorite firearm manufacturers!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:20 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Guns are dangerous but people are now pissing off a real fiscal cliff in Arizona.

            http://www.indigenousaction.org/news-release-arizona-snowbowl-starts-making-fake-snow-from-treated-sewage-and-its-yellow/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:17 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            Rebel Rouser posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013

            IABD- Have you ever tried achieving bliss without cannabis using your own brain's natural chemistry?

            Anandamide, The Brain's own Cannabinoid Drug

            Research into the actions of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis, took a dramatic turn in 1990. That's when receptors were discovered in the brain that are the precise molecular "locks" into which THC fits. But what are those receptors there for? Surely they didn't evolve so that people could smoke cannabis and get high. Then in 1992, after an intensive search, William Devane at the National Institutes of Health in Maryland and Raphael Mechoulam, of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, identified a natural brain chemical that also locks onto the cannabinoid receptors. They called it anandamide, from the Sanskrit word for "eternal bliss". In experiments on animals it appears to trigger the same responses as cannabis even though the anandamide molecule looks nothing like THC.

            Since then many people have started to investigate the anandamide connection. Although no one has yet been able to explain what triggers its release, anandamide is now associated with the parts of the brain that deal with coordination of movement, memory and emotion. It's probably part of the complex mix of chemical signals in the body that underscore our moods and sensations.

            More recently cannabinoid receptors have been found outside the central nervous system in the body, specifically in the spleen (an immune system connection?) and in the testis. Other research has confirmed that both THC and anandamide act on the activation of the sperm before it fertilizes the egg.

            For an interesting perspective on anandamide research, google: Professor Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, the discoverer of THC. Remember also that firearms and cannabis don't always mix to well.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 1:02 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            What does going off the cliff mean to middle class America?
            By Barnini Chakraborty
            January 1, 2013

            Washington – Even if you didn’t touch a drop of alcohol on New Year’s Eve, you could be waking up Tuesday morning with the makings of a huge financial headache.

            With Congress missing the midnight deadline for averting the fiscal crisis, Americans are now on the receiving end of a wave of tax hikes – at least for the time being. Lawmakers are scrambling, with the Senate passing legislation early Tuesday morning, to halt most of those increases. The House returns at noon to begin consideration of the proposal. But the pain over any prolonged political indecision in Washington could be felt for months.

            So what’s this mean for the average American?

            In the short term, taxes will go up. By how much and for how long is the question.

            Congress has the technical ability to rewind the clock and effectively undo any tax increases, but until lawmakers agree on a compromise and it’s signed by President Obama, Americans are left paying for the pricey political stalemate playing out in Washington.

            Most will feel the first fiscal sting in their January paychecks. Starting today, a 2-percentage-point payroll tax holiday expires. That means workers will have 6.2 percent of their wages withheld to pay for Social Security, up from 4.2 percent over the past two years. For households earning $50,000, they will have to pay $1,000 more in taxes in 2013. Despite both Democrats and Republicans saying they don’t want to tax the middle class, this holiday is unlikely to be extended.

            Beyond the expiration of the payroll tax cut, paychecks could get even smaller in a matter of weeks if Congress does not pass legislation.

            Overnight, the Internal Revenue Service told payroll companies they would have until Feb. 15 to update their withholding tables, allowing them to use 2012 rates until then while making clear that payroll tax rates would certainly rise. But the reality is that a host of other tax provisions have technically expired and with them come renewed fears about the economy if unaddressed.

            “What won’t change is the fact that the world’s largest economy is about to start a year and no one knows what the tax rates will be,” said Peter Tchir, founder of Connecticut-based TF Market Advisors. “There are lots of other uncertainties, but for me, that is the most basic one to look at. How can a country be so inept or corrupt in its governance that we can start a year with so much uncertainty?”

            At the heart of the tax debate are the rates put in place by President George W. Bush. The 2001 rates came with a sunset clause of 10 years; follow-up legislation in 2003 was also set to expire around the same time. The tax rates on income, capital gains, dividends and estates were originally set to go back last year to those under President Clinton. But in 2010, Obama and Congress extended the rates for an additional two years – pushing their expiration date to Jan. 1, 2013.

            With all these provisions expiring, the Tax Policy Center estimates that households making between $50,000 and $75,000 would see a roughly $2,300 tax increase in 2013. That jumps to more than $3,500 for families making between $75,000 and $100,000.

            At first, families would see only a fraction of that should employers begin to withhold the extra amount.

            But the impact would spread. According to analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, the expired tax rates could eventually hit the housing industry hard. Struggling homeowners who had faced foreclosure or had trouble making their mortgages were given a helping hand with the lower rates.

            “Going over the cliff has many secondary, largely ignored, negative impacts, including tax changes that could damage the housing recovery, as well as negatively impact education and alternative energy, among many others,” Bank of America analysts said in a research note.

            “In the long term, if nothing concrete is hammered out soon, investor confidence could dive and the country’s fragile economy could be pulled into another recession. Uncertainty in the market would also create a trickle-down effect that will cause problems for federal agencies, payroll processors, tax filers and thousands of other government workers who could be furloughed or lose their jobs.”

            Congress has only a limited amount of time to get the job done before they’re faced with more economic deadlines.

            As part of the framework for a fiscal deal, lawmakers pushed off a permanent decision on looming spending cuts another two months. That will have to be dealt with.

            And in February, the new congressional class will need to come to an agreement over the debt ceiling – the country was poised to hit the debt ceiling on Monday, though the Treasury Department took emergency measures to buy more time. The last debt-ceiling showdown took place over the summer of 2011 and rattled credit-rating agencies and investors.

            It won’t get easier in March when a six-month budget resolution funding the fiscal 2013 federal operations is scheduled to run out. If lawmakers can’t come to a compromise there, the government is at risk once more for a shutdown.

            If Congress does pass a final fiscal deal in the coming days, it is likely some sliver of top earners will see a major income tax hike. The latest proposal would raise taxes on households making above $450,000, though that threshold could be amended by House lawmakers.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/01/congress-misses-fiscal-crisis-deadline-amid-ongoing-talks-so-what-does-it-mean/#ixzz2GkvrJXsG

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 12:50 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1563

            "Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we haven’t even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland."

            The Tobacco industry "murders" roughly 443,000 Americans each year and I don't hear anyone seriously trying to ban cigarettes. I believe these numbers are very important for the GOA, especially when calculating future debt to those "entitlement seekers" of Social Security and medicare. Wow! it must be nice to have your entire industry subsidized to death by the American tax payer! Of course, the Federal Government made cannabis illegal to all, and it doesn't barely kill anyone, go figure, H and K

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 12:46 pm on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            mooseberryinn: Ya just gotta love this kind of comedy in the midst of the Regime Wrecking-Ball.

            HTC: Yes, the ball has dropped again to bring in the new year, only this time it's the Obama economy-wrecking ball and it's off to a good start on its way to reducing us to third world status.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:55 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:17 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
            "HTC: That's why we have the art of insult."

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:33 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
            "HTC: What you call 'philosophy', the rest of the world calls fact/reality. But don't worry - since I'm sure you'll continue to post your fallacious and juvenile progressive garbage throughout 2013, you'll frequently get to experience my fact-based counter-arguments laced with insults when appropriate."

            IABD- Einstein said, ‘The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 10:44 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            2013 - The destruction of America continues under the reign of Emperor Obama. The Obama/demo-care "health reform" raises a trillion in new taxes, Employers hesitate to hire, investors are taxed more, business growth slows, unemployment continues high, Obama's EPA continues to spew new energy stifling regulations, King Obama vows new gun "control" laws. But....in a spasm of "Nero-like" whimsy, Emperor, Comrade King Obama puts forth his divinely inspired (no doubt) "DECREE" to raise the pay of Congress???? Maybe he meant it as a joke? Or could it be that Allah made him do it??? Ya just gotta love this kind of comedy in the midst of the Regime Wrecking-Ball.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:12 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:02 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013

            HTC: "Christianity is obviously a "bogus religion."

            IABD: Were you wearing your magic underwear at 8:02 am?

             
          • Pete posted at 9:46 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            December 22, 2012 - “What I am about to tell you is something you’ve probably never heard or read in history books,” she likes to tell audiences.

            “I am a witness to history.

            “I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history.

            If you remember the plot of the Sound of Music, the Von Trapp family escaped over the Alps rather than submit to the Nazis. Kitty wasn’t so lucky. Her family chose to stay in her native Austria. She was 10 years old, but bright and aware. And she was watching.

            “We elected him by a landslide – 98 percent of the vote,” she recalls.

            She wasn’t old enough to vote in 1938 – approaching her 11th birthday. But she remembers.

            “Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria by force.”

            No so.

            Hitler is welcomed to Austria

            “In 1938, Austria was in deep Depression. Nearly one-third of our workforce was unem- ployed. We had 25 percent inflation and 25 percent bank loan interest rates.

            Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy daily. Young people were go- ing from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn’t want to work; there simply weren’t any jobs.

            “My mother was a Christian woman and believed in helping people in need. Every day we cooked a big kettle of soup and baked bread to feed those poor, hungry people – about 30 daily.’

            “We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933.” she recalls. “We had been told that they didn’t have unemployment or crime, and they had a high standard of living.

            Austrian girls welcome Hitler

            “Nothing was ever said about persecution of any group – Jewish or otherwise. We were led to believe that everyone in Germany was happy. We wanted the same way of life in Austria. We were promised that a vote for Hitler would mean the end of unemployment and help for the family. Hitler also said that businesses would be assisted, and farmers would get their farms back.

            “Ninety-eight percent of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany and have Hitler for our ruler.

            “We were overjoyed,” remembers Kitty, “and for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. The new government opened up big field kitchens and
            everyone was fed.

            Austrians saluting

            “After the election, German officials were appointed, and like a miracle, we suddenly had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was created through the Public Work Service.

            “Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married Austrian women did not work outside the home. An able-bodied husband would be looked down on if he couldn’t support his family. Many women in the teach- ing profession were elated that they could retain the jobs they previously had been re- quired to give up for marriage.

            “Then we lost religious education for kids

            Poster promoting "Hitler Youth"

            “Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good public school.. The population was predominantly Catholic, so we had religion in our schools. The day we elected Hitler (March 13, 1938), I walked into my schoolroom to find the crucifix replaced by Hitler’s picture hanging next to a Nazi flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class we wouldn’t pray or have religion anymore. Instead, we sang ‘Deutschland, Deutschland, Uber Alles,’ and had physical education.

            “Sunday became National Youth Day with compulsory attendance. Parents were not pleased about the sudden change in curriculum. They were told that if they did not send us, they would receive a stiff letter of warning the first time. The second time they would be fined the equivalent of $300, and the third time they would be subject to jail.”
            And then things got worse.

            “The first two hours consisted of political indoctrination. The rest of the day we had sports. As time went along, we loved it. Oh, we had so much fun and got our sports equipment free.

            “We would go home and gleefully tell our parents about the wonderful time we had.

            “My mother was very unhappy,” remembers Kitty. “When the next term started, she took me out of public school and put me in a convent. I told her she couldn’t do that and she told me that someday when I grew up, I would be grateful. There was a very good curriculum, but hardly any fun – no sports, and no political indoctrination.

            “I hated it at first but felt I could tolerate it. Every once in a while, on holidays, I went home. I would go back to my old friends and ask what was going on and what they were doing.

            A pro-Hitler rally

            “Their loose lifestyle was very alarming to me. They lived without religion. By that time, unwed mothers were glorified for having a baby for Hitler.

            “It seemed strange to me that our society changed so suddenly. As time went along, I realized what a great deed my mother did so that I wasn’t exposed to that kind of hu- manistic philosophy.

            “In 1939, the war started and a food bank was established. All food was rationed and could only be purchased using food stamps. At the same time, a full-employment law was passed which meant if you didn’t work, you didn’t get a ration card, and if you didn’t have a card, you starved to death.

            “Women who stayed home to raise their families didn’t have any marketable skills and often had to take jobs more suited for men.

            “Soon after this, the draft was implemented.

            Young Austrians

            “It was compulsory for young people, male and female, to give one year to the labor corps,” remembers Kitty. “During the day, the girls worked on the farms, and at night they returned to their barracks for military training just like the boys.

            “They were trained to be anti-aircraft gunners and participated in the signal corps. After the labor corps, they were not discharged but were used in the front lines.
            “When I go back to Austria to visit my family and friends, most of these women are emotional cripples because they just were not equipped to handle the horrors of combat.
            “Three months before I turned 18, I was severely injured in an air raid attack. I nearly had a leg amputated, so I was spared having to go into the labor corps and into military service.

            “When the mothers had to go out into the work force, the government immediately es- tablished child care centers.
            “You could take your children ages four weeks old to school age and leave them there around-the-clock, seven days a week, under the total care of the government.

            “The state raised a whole generation of children. There were no motherly women to take care of the children, just people highly trained in child psychology. By this time, no one talked about equal rights. We knew we had been had.

            “Before Hitler, we had very good medical care. Many American doctors trained at the University of Vienna..
            “After Hitler, health care was socialized, free for everyone. Doctors were salaried by the government. The problem was, since it was free, the people were going to the doctors for everything.

            “When the good doctor arrived at his office at 8 a.m., 40 people were already waiting and, at the same time, the hospitals were full.

            “If you needed elective surgery, you had to wait a year or two for your turn. There was no money for research as it was poured into socialized medicine. Research at the med- ical schools literally stopped, so the best doctors left Austria and emigrated to other countries.

            “As for healthcare, our tax rates went up to 80 percent of our income. Newlyweds immediately received a $1,000 loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families.

            “All day care and education were free. High schools were taken over by the government and college tuition was subsidized. Everyone was entitled to free handouts, such as food stamps, clothing, and housing.

            “We had another agency designed to monitor business. My brother-in-law owned a restaurant that had square tables.
            “ Government officials told him he had to replace them with round tables because peo- ple might bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have additional bathroom facilities. It was just a small dairy business with a snack bar. He couldn’t meet all the demands.

            “Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses and not many small ones existed, it could be in control.

            “We had consumer protection, too

            Austrian kids loyal to Hitler

            “We were told how to shop and what to buy. Free enterprise was essentially abolished. We had a planning agency specially designed for farmers. The agents would go to the farms, count the live-stock, and then tell the farmers what to produce, and how to produce it.

            “In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villagers were surrounded by mountain passes which, in the winter, were closed off with snow, causing people to be isolated.

            “So people intermarried and offspring were sometimes retarded. When I arrived, I was told there were 15 mentally retarded adults, but they were all useful and did good man- ual work.

            “I knew one, named Vincent, very well. He was a janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van.

            “I asked my superior where they were going. She said to an institution where the State Health Department would teach them a trade, and to read and write. The families were required to sign papers with a little clause that they could not visit for 6 months.

            “They were told visits would interfere with the program and might cause homesickness.

            “As time passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not fooled. We suspected what was happening. Those people left in excellent physical health and all died within 6 months. We called this euthanasia.

            “Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

            “No more freedom of speech. Anyone who said something against the government was taken away. We knew many people who were arrested, not only Jews, but also priests and ministers who spoke up.

            “Totalitarianism didn’t come quickly, it took 5 years from 1938 until 1943, to realize full dictatorship in Austria. Had it happened overnight, my countrymen would have fought to the last breath. Instead, we had creeping gradualism. Now, our only weapons were broom handles. The whole idea sounds almost unbelievable that the state, little by little eroded our freedom.”

            “This is my eye-witness account.

            “It’s true. Those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity.

            “America is truly is the greatest country in the world. “Don’t let freedom slip away.

            “After America, there is no place to go.”

            Kitty Werthmann

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:28 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            HTC: "But there is little doubt that you could teach me a thing or two, were I interested."

            So it's mutual! Cool!

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:25 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            Seems the Dems in the Senate have sent a bill to the House to supposedly avoid the fiscal cliff. It is precisely the kind of nonserious legislative effort that we've come to expect from Mr. Reid and company.

            While we're borrowing nearly half of every dollar we spend, the Senate bill increases taxes by $620B during an extremely fragile recovery, but only reduces spending by $15B. That cut to spending is so pathetically small that it amounts to only 1.5 days worth of federal spending.

            It is simply amazing that so many Americans are either too stupid or blinded by their ideological madness to even begin to see what a threat the Democratic Party is to our economy and to our childrens' future.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:06 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 8:44 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013

            We were, of course, surprised when we weren't welcomed as liberators in Canada; however, the Empire could have merely assisted the Canadians in repelling us back across the border and left it at that.

            Instead, they chose to use it as an excuse to recapture their former colonies and forcibly reunite them with the rest of the empire. Many scholars have concluded that the Crown believed that our rather quick retreat back across the border was more evidence that their loss to us in the Revolutionary War was indeed a fluke.

            What the Crown failed to realize was that, upon recognizing that Canada did not also desire independence, we were no longer determined to help liberate them.

            But there is little doubt that you could teach me a thing or two, were I interested. However, I have little desire to master the non sequitur as you have done.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:44 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            HTC: "While largely effective against a primitive enemy that still lives in the ninth century (e.g., the Taliban), we are a nation of engineers and scientists, many of whom would join the effort to restore Constitutional government."

            I know many Keynesian Republican Engineers.......Gawd, now I'm into a Sci-Fi image of a bunch of engineers in a giant Robot War using the Constitution to justify their Hayek vs Keynes fight for the Truth and to the Death. Hopefully, you all will go out into the desert someplace and leave us out of it!
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            HTC: "Certainly the Crown felt that way and ended up learning a very expensive lesson the hard way. No doubt after reflecting on their loss a bit, they concluded it was a fluke; hence, we had to defeat them for a second time in the War of 1812."

            Wow! You should stick to Thermodynamics and Robot Wars with your geeky friends.......Obviously, history is too much to grasp. Especially the shock of invading Canada in 1812 and being met as aggressors, instead of Yankee Liberators from the dreaded Monarchy. O'well, it's a new year. We'll try to get you up to speed.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:19 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            Bronco: OK, here we have HTC stating that the American citizenry can defeat the greatest military ever created since Adam dragged his knuckles across the Savannah, with hunting rifles, a few thousand assault rifles, handguns, and Amer'can ingenuity even if those highly-trained, uber-equipped, well-fed and organized armed forces incapacitate the communications and transportation facilities of those American citizens.

            HTC: I'm certain that the Founders dealt with many such as yourself who lacked the vision and analytical skills to realize that every enemy is vulnerable in many ways. At the time of the American Revolution, England ruled the seas and had a vast empire under its control. No doubt many raised the "greatest military ever created" argument and thought the Founders were insane for even suggesting that England could be defeated.

            Certainly the Crown felt that way and ended up learning a very expensive lesson the hard way. No doubt after reflecting on their loss a bit, they concluded it was a fluke; hence, we had to defeat them for a second time in the War of 1812.

            It has been said that man's greatest enemy is his own fear and many a tyrant has tried to exploit that fear to their advantage by creating the appearance of an invincible and ruthless force that most would fear to ever take on.

            Fortunately for us today, our Founders were far better men than you and your kind.

            Bronco: If that's the case, why pay all 'em taxes for the military? We can just send in some good ole boys to take care of them pesky Talibans, Afghanis, Iraqis, and those other Muslims.

            HTC: You completely miss the point (again.)

            History proves that it has always been extremely difficult, even impossible, for superior conventional forces to prevail over a determined enemy which wages a guerrilla war on their home turf. Every nation has it enemies who are more than willing to help those fighting the forces of their shared enemy ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend.")

            France provided an immense amount of help to our Revolutionary forces and we have played the same game elsewhere such as when we armed and train bin Laden and his forces so that they could go after our shared enemy, the U.S.S.R. in Afghanistan.

            I would think that the fact that we have not prevailed against an enemy in Afghanistan, and one which largely still lives in the ninth century, would be enough to convince you that our military might has some very definite limitations in what it can actually achieve. Since Afghanistan is one-fifteenth the size of the U.S, imagine that problem multiplied fifteen times.

            In fact, so many have tried and failed in Afghanistan over millenia that it is often referred to as the "graveyard of empires."

            Remember, those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:02 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            IABD: Then explain to the Muslims why you as an atheist would recommend to them a bogus religion known of mormonism, which is not found in the Bible or the Koran.

            HTC: Just like the Christian and Islamic religions, Mormonism has its own book; so, I'm surprised that you would attempt to use one religion's book to discredit another's. Per your 'logic', because much of Christ's teachings are not found in the Quran, Christianity is obviously a "bogus religion."


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:55 am on Tue, Jan 1, 2013.

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            who new: I’m no authority on the military, but when I made that statement, I was specifically thinking about the great advances we have made in the miniaturization of missiles and guidance systems. We’ve all seen the videos showing the accuracy of missiles targeted towards moving objects, such as vehicles. Apparently, the technology has advanced much farther than this, to the point where the military could obliterate an individual in his own house, who is zealously defending his second amendment rights with his semi-automatic weapons, and he has no defense against that attack.

            HTC: There's a saying among those withiin the defense industry that, for every multi-million dollar weapon technology, there's a twentyfive dollar countermeasure. This has been proven true over and over again.

            Furthermore, there's a limit to the number of these drones that we can command and control at one time, especially those that we control via satellite links. These control links are susceptible to a number of interference techniques which cost far less to implement than the cost of the systems they thwart.

            While largely effective against a primitive enemy that still lives in the ninth century (e.g., the Taliban), we are a nation of engineers and scientists, many of whom would join the effort to restore Constitutional government.

            Eyes in the sky, including some with offensive missile systems, are indeed handy but ultimately cannot replace boots on the ground. We've been learning that lesson the hard way in the Middle East and elsewhere.

            You'll notice that we use drone's for the assassination of LEADERS, not the rank and file within our enemies' ranks. That is because it is VERY expensive and always will be to operate this way, with massive amounts of intelligence assets required to pinpoint those leaders' locations. There is no way an illegitimate government in control of this nation, and without the tax base necessary due to a belligerent population, could wage war this way across the vast reaches of this country.

            And once such a war began, do you not believe that the 'resistance' movement's leaders wouldn't constantly be on the move as has always been the case in such situations?

            Our own country's history is a marvelous example of a determined, freedom-loving people which brought down a far mightier opponent. I'm sure there were those back then who tried to argue that resistance was futile and that they couldn't possibly defeat the great English empire. But defeat them they did.

            "The most dangerous man, to any government, is the man who Is able to think things out for himself, without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost invariably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane and intolerable, and so, if he is romantic, he tries to change it. And if he is not romantic personally, he is apt to spread discontent among those who are." -- Henry Louis Mencken

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:32 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012

            IABD- I shall now express my empathy with you. Some of your fear of hippie types may be justifiable--however please don't stereotype everyone who worked for peaceful solutions during the VietNam protest movement during the 60's and 70's. Most stereotypical hippies in the early 70's were peaceful except for the psychotic cult types such as Charles Manson who like Hitler began manipulating the weak minded during his reform school days as a troubled child. Thankfully California has Manson safely locked away, and won't write anymore songs for the Beach Boys. Listening to the lyrics "Two girls for every boy" always made me puke. Manson was also listed as a scientologist.

            But then there was this incident in Montana which caused enough partisan and political friction to incite a riot between liberal and conservative students attending Bozeman's MSU during the fall of 1970. Chainsaw wielding self righteous farmboy types at the cow college began cutting off the longhair of male and female students on campus:

            Wyoming Serial killer Stanley Dean Baker

            At three o’clock on the afternoon of Saturday, 11 July 1970, a man out fishing on the banks of the Yellowstone River in Montana snagged a human body at the end of his line. He drove in shock to the nearest ranch to telephone the police, and Deputy Bigelow, who was, stationed at the entrance to Yellowstone National Park responded to the call.

            With the aid of some local men, the deputy waded into the turbulent river and dragged the body to shore. Although accustomed to routine drowning cases, Bigelow knew immediately that this was murder. The head was missing.

            Bigelow called Sheriff Don Guitoni, who drove Coroner Davis to the scene. All three men crouched over the body, which was clad only in shorts. It was that of a male. Apart from the missing head, the arms had also been severed at the shoulders and the legs chopped off at the knees. The abdomen and chest were covered with stab wounds, with a particularly large ugly hole in the chest.

            The coroner looked shocked when he concluded his examination. ‘I never saw anything like it,’ he said grimly. ‘The poor fellow’s been stabbed about twenty-five times and I figure he’s been in the water about a day … He was a young fellow, probably in his early twenties.’ He paused. ‘There’s one other thing,’ he said. ‘The heart is missing!’ The chest had been cut open and the heart removed.

            For the sheriff it was a major headache. All normal means of identifying the body - the head and hands had been deliberately removed. But why the gratuitous butchery of the rest of the body? Why cut off the legs? Why remove the heart?

            The only thing it suggested was that it was some form of cult murder. There had been a rash of them recently, all connected with secret groups of devil-worshippers. The Sharon Tate case had grabbed the headlines, but similar bizarre killings were going on all over the USA.

            The torso was taken by ambulance to the morgue in Livingston for a proper autopsy to be carried out, while police teletyped details of the victim to Wyoming and other neighbouring states. It was impossible to tell where the body had been dumped in the river, and the Yellow stone passed through Wyoming before entering Montana and the National Park. Although police searched the river and its banks for many miles, no traces of the missing limbs were found.

            The results of the autopsy indicated that the victim had been stabbed twenty-seven times with a sharp-pointed blade of at least five inches in length. The removal of the head and limbs had been crudely performed, possibly with the knife used to inflict the stab wounds. The victim was in his early twenties and had been dead for twenty-four hours when found. Police had to wait until someone was reported missing.

            On the Monday morning a teletype message came chattering into the sheriff’s office in Livingston, concerning a missing person who resembled the description of the torso. James Michael Schlosser, aged twenty-two, had been reported missing from the town of Roundup, a hundred miles away, that same morning.

            He had set out on the Friday to drive to Yellowstone Park in his Opel Kadett sports car, but had not turned up for work on the Monday. When his office colleagues got in touch with his landlady, they discovered that the popular young social worker had not returned home.
            Schlosser was described as being six feet tall and weighing two hundred pounds. The age, height and weight fitted the torso. Sheriff Guitoni put out an alert for sightings of his Opel Kadett car, which might have been dumped in the area. It was a 1969 vehicle, yellow, with black racing stripes.

            An hour later that same car was, in a collision with a pick-up truck on a dirt road in Monterey County, California, just a few miles from the Pacific Ocean. The car had been travelling at speed on the wrong side of the road. The truck suffered only a dented bumper, but the car was a write-off. The driver of the truck was a businessman from Detroit on holiday. He got out of his truck and approached the car, from which two large young men were emerging. Both men were typical Californian hippies, with long hair and beards.

            One was blond, the other dark. The blond man was about six feet tall and very powerfully built, with shoulder-length golden hair. He wore a leather waistcoat and bell-bottom trousers, topped with an Army fatigue jacket. His companion wore cowboy boots and a green Army field jacket. The businessman might have expected trouble, but the hippies were friendly.
            The businessman wanted to exchange driver’s licences, but neither happy had one, so he took the registration number of their vehicle and suggested he should drive them both to the nearest telephone so the police could be notified of the accident. Both hippies shrugged and got into his truck. But when he drove into a service station in the town of Lucia, both men got out and ran away into nearby woods.

            The businessman phoned the police and told them about the incident, giving the registration number of the other vehicle. It was that of the car belonging to the missing Schlosser, and the California Highway Patrol were alerted to keep an eye out for two hippies, wanted in connection with a homicide.

            Patrolman Randy Newton was out cruising the Pacific Coast Highway when he got the call over his radio, and he turned off into a dirt side-road, figuring that the two fugitives could not have got far.

            He came upon the suspects walking along the road just two miles out of Lucia, trying to hitch a lift. The two men had no identification, but readily admitted having been the two men in the Opel Kadett involved in the accident. Newton arrested both men and radioed for assistance. When fellow officers arrived, the two suspects were handcuffed and advised of their rights.

            But the blond man seemed anxious to talk, positively eager, even. Identifying himself as Stanley Dean Baker, aged twenty-three, and his companion as Harry Allen Stroup, aged twenty, Baker said they were both from Sheridan, Wyoming, and had been travelling together since 5 June, hitching lifts when they could.

            The prisoners were searched, and in Baker’s pockets police found small lengths of bone. Officer Newton studied them curiously and asked Baker what they were.

            Baker blurted out: ‘They ain’t chicken bones. They’re human fingers.’ Then he added, memorably and in typically American phraseology: ‘I have a problem. I’m a cannibal.

            Both men were taken to the police station in Monterey, Baker continuing to talk in the patrol car about his compulsion to eat human flesh. He claimed to have developed a taste for it after having electric shock treatment for a nervous disorder when he was seventeen, and referred to himself as ‘Jesus’.

            At the police station Detective Dempsey Biley took over the questioning. Baker almost boasted of how he had killed the owner of the Opel Kadett, saying Stroup had not been with him at the time. He and Stroup had split up when they reached Big Timber, a few miles from Livingston, because Baker had managed to hitch a ride with James Schlosser.

            When Schlosser had said he was going to the Yellowstone Park for the weekend, Baker had asked to go along, and the two men had set up camp for the night close to the Yellowstone River.
            In the middle of the night Baker had crept over to his sleeping companion and shot him twice in the head with a .22 pistol he habitually carried. Then he had cut up the body into six parts, removing the head, arms and legs. When asked what he had done with the dead man’s heart, Baker replied: ‘I ate it. Raw.’

            He explained that he had cut off the dead man’s fingers to have something to chew on, and dumped the remainder of the body in the river, along with the pistol, before driving off in his victim’s car.

            Later he had met up with Harry Stroup along the road and offered him a lift. He insisted that Stroup had not been involved in the murder.

            Both men were searched thoroughly and among Baker’s possessions was a recipe for LSD and a paperback book called The Satanic Bible, which was a handbook of devil-worship with instructions on how to conduct a black mass.

            Baker described the location of the camp where he had killed Schlosser, and when police officers located it and searched it, they found evidence that murder had indeed taken place at that spot. The earth was splattered with dried blood and a bloodstained hunting knife was found. There was also the usual debris which accompanies any such murder: human bone fragments, teeth, skin and a severed human ear.

            The pair were taken before a judge in California and waived extradition. Subsequently they were flown back to Montana, where they were arraigned before District Judge Jack Shamstrom on 27 July. The pair were remanded in Park County jail, but on 4 August Judge Shamstrom approved a motion that Baker be sent to Warm Springs State Hospital for psychiatric evaluation. Harry Stroup had remained silent throughout, apparently guilty of nothing more than having befriended a homicidal maniac and devil-worshipper. Those short lengths of bone found on Baker were sent to a pathologist for examination and proved to be bones from a human right index finger.
            No motive for the crime was claimed by the prosecution, apart from the cannibal aspect: the lust for human flesh. But as we have seen from an examination of man-eating tribes in New Guinea and elsewhere, the eating of a slain foe symbolizes total conquest and total contempt’ for the victim, who is digested and then excreted.

            It may be that Baker, the non-conforming hippy with no job, viewed the young Schlosser, a college graduate with a sports car, horn-rimmed glasses and expensive camping equipment, as a respectable ‘square’ who had prospered within the system; a symbol of everything he could not be and a mirror to his own failure.

            In that case envy would be the motive, a ‘have-not’ who saw himself as a social reject, lashing out violently at a respectable member of society - with the same blind ferocity as a snake striking at a stick.

            Strangely, the Montana Board of Pardons decided to disharge Harry Stroup from Deer Lodge prison and was released as soon as 1979; Stanley Baker was paroled to his native Wyoming six years later.

            Let us all work mutually for a peaceful solution for social justice and have a wonderful new year inspite of our State of Montana's continuously corrupt injustice system's game of catch and release.

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:14 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            OK, here we have HTC stating that the American citizenry can defeat the greatest military ever created since Adam dragged his knuckles across the Savannah, with hunting rifles, a few thousand assault rifles, handguns, and Amer'can ingenuity even if those highly-trained, uber-equipped, well-fed and organized armed forces incapacitate the communications and transportation facilities of those American citizens.

            If that's the case, why pay all 'em taxes for the military? We can just send in some good ole boys to take care of them pesky Talibans, Afghanis, Iraqis, and those other Muslims.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Mr H, On the subject of Major Moronism's , check out:

            http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2012/04/11/mormonism-is-not-a-christian-religion/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:27 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/health-fitness/health/13-Tips-for-stress-free-New-Years-Eve/articleshow/17829980.cms

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:10 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Everyone have a safe new years celebration....Also remember:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:06 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Bronco: Yer high.

            HTC: Very persuasive counterargument, Major Moron.

             
          • kohana posted at 3:49 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Rob123 posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012

            Enjoyed that! I love to fly and the Cliff House is one of my favorite places to dine. I've sailed that bay many a time, as my brother had a racing-sail boat. long ago. You don't want to sit out on the deck and try to eat, the gulls will steal it from you, right out of your hand or off your plate.

             
          • Bronco posted at 3:06 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:45 am
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            Yer high.

             
          • who new posted at 2:53 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HTC: “But since you fancy yourself a great military strategist, why don't you enlighten us as to how this "overwhelming military machine" will so easily keep us in check.”

            I’m no authority on the military, but when I made that statement, I was specifically thinking about the great advances we have made in the miniaturization of missiles and guidance systems. We’ve all seen the videos showing the accuracy of missiles targeted towards moving objects, such as vehicles. Apparently, the technology has advanced much farther than this, to the point where the military could obliterate an individual in his own house, who is zealously defending his second amendment rights with his semi-automatic weapons, and he has no defense against that attack.

            In addition, these weapons are on the verge of being mass-produced economically. And the military didn’t have to put one foot on the ground. Even the most ardent defenders of the constitution would have a tough time maintaining their will when their neighbors are disappearing from a threat they have no defense for, unless you believe the second amendment should allow us to possess computer-guided missiles as a deterrent against a potentially tyrannical government.

            Do you?

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:38 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 2:19 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            Why not take your .357 magnum, that you have never fired, with you to Mecca? Then explain to the Muslims why you as an atheist would recommend to them a bogus religion known of mormonism, which is not found in the Bible or the Koran.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:37 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDMDuRczDI0

            [offtopic], but interesting......

             
          • kohana posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            I'll surrender my S&W .357 magnum bullet first. Giving up our guns is not the solution either and you are a fool if you think it is. Have I, or any of us on this blog ever advocated going on a shooting spree? We are law abiding citizen of these United States and thus have a right to protect ourselves from some nut job like Manson. Remember back when? If any one of the people he had slaughtered had a gun, they might still be alive.

             
          • kohana posted at 2:19 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            It's a beautiful day posted at 1:56 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012

            Don't be a complete nincompoop. Have you not been reading my post for the past several years? My mother was seriously involved in the Gray Panthers. Look what is said about them now.

            "The Gray Panthers is an organization in the United States, which was founded in 1970 by Maggie Kuhn in response to her forced retirement at age 65.

            As of 2005, the organization supported a single-payer healthcare system, as well as an increase in welfare payments, pacifism, "lifelong public education", the rights of workers, reproductive rights, abolition of the death penalty, legalization of same-sex marriage, the legalization of medical marijuana, and environmentalism through advocacy, education and action."

            Obviously it doesn't work! Jeesh, I learned something from her, what doesn't work! I bet if she was still alive she'd be gagging. Worshiping a damn black rock in Mecca doesn't work either.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:56 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            kohana- Have you considered surrendering your .357 magnum and joining the Gray Panthers?
            Gray Panthers is an inter-generational education and advocacy organization dedicated to achieving social and economic justice and peace for all people. Guns are not the solution.

             
          • kohana posted at 1:28 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            If an illegal government with a traitor at the helm isn't enough for us to keep our guns, try this:

            A couple of responses to an article in Jihad Watch about a Christian being beheaded because his brother made a remark.

            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/12/myjihad-in-syria-islamic-supremacist-rebels-behead-christian-man-and-feed-his-body-to-dogs.html

            Stephanie | December 31, 2012
            ... ‘They want to impose Sharia Law(?) and create an Islamic state in Syria.’...
            (graphic video) Allah & his Qur'an in action
            … beheading kuffar (unblievers) according to Qur'an 8:12 + 47:4

            http://schnellmann.org/quran-in-action.html


            Larry A. Singleton | December 31, 2012
            Syria: Sunni “rebels” hang 4-year old shiite boy after murdering his whole family

            http://sheikyermami.com/2012/08/11/syria-sunni-rebels-hang-4-year-old-shiite-boy-after-murdering-his-whole-family/

            Damascus: The Swiss-magazine reports that a four-year-old boy had to witness how his mother, father, sisters, brothers and grandparents were murdered. After that he was kicked and punched and publicly hanged in the district of Zainab in Damascus.
            This is Islam.
            There's a picture.

            Aprilyn | December 31, 2012
            Sadly, this is just another choice from the re-election of Obama. Obama never deserved to be president of the US, not the 1st or the 2nd time. We the people should have impeached him during his first term in office, but hey, the attitude was, let's wait, we can vote him out; well we the people didn't. How foolish, how irresponsible of we the people. Christians stayed home again, couldn't chance electing a "good Mormon" instead of a corrupt, destructive, immoral man, called Barack Obama. Shame, shame, shame on you Christians. When Obama won, I remember how sad I felt for all those who were being persecuted, for our military, for our children, and our children's children; they are left with the debt, destruction and loss of their rights and freedoms.

            We the people let he 47% and the left win again ... our future and the destruction of this country are our fault.

            All it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing - We the People did nothing, evil is flourishing.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:28 pm on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Mr. H, For those such as yourself, Glenn Beck, Ted Nugent, Sarah Palin and the rest of your fellow megalomanics affected with narcissistic personality disorders, as you likely already know can not always be treatable with medication and may require psychotherapy. Have you consulted with your psychologist about an alternative such as a group aversion shock therapy session.

            http://www.hulu.com/watch/29856

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:53 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            IABD: Mr. H, will you continue to use your powers of negative inductive reasoning and convince us all that Japan's crisis and Detroit's suffering is Obama's fault?

            HTC: They are both the fault of the relentless pursuit of a failed ideology - namely, Keynesian economics - and regardless of the fact that that ideology has ALWAYS failed every time it's been tried.

            Japan has vigorously pursued government spending as economic 'stimulus' (as has Obama) and has done so for 30 years. The end result is massive debt, three decades of a stagnant economy and a record in the world history books as the only developed economy which missed all three of the last global economic expansions.

            We are on the same path thanks to the majority of idiots who voted for Obama this past November 6th. Whether or not you can recognize the folly in his policies does not change the fact that they are doomed to fail.

            But hopefully you can at least understand why the rest of us who aren't smoking what you are cannot stomach your insanity and resent the he// out of you taking us and our children down with you.

            That at least should be within your grasp to understand.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:45 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Bronco: Let me answer the question. Control communications and transportation. Duh.

            HTC: Good luck with that one.

            I'm not surprised that you think that would be far simpler than it would be in real life; after all, you've consistently proven that you're not a deep analytical thinker yourself.

            Communications would be much more difficult to control than you think; I know, I've worked in that field for decades and there are technologies widely available that would be difficult for the government to detect, let alone prevent their use.

            The government would also be far more dependent upon transportation than would the people themselves, as our military would find itself spread thin across an immense country with logistical challenges that make our foreign wars look simple by comparison. It would be very easy for guerrilla forces to continue to sabotage the transportation system which the government would need to enforce its will upon a reluctant public. If you doubt that, just take a look at what's been going on for years in Iraq and Afghanistan which are much smaller than the U.S.

            Guerrilla wars are very difficult for conventional forces to prevail upon, as progressives love to remind us about Iraq and Afghanistan. You have previously noted that yourself and now seem to have suddenly forgotten that lesson.

            Look also at what's been happening in Syria regardless of the lack of Western assistance as was provided in Libya. The rebels are consistently gaining ground and most military strategists admit that Assad cannot hold onto power much longer, in spite of his military might.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:34 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Bronco: who new fancies himself a great military strategist? You got that from one question he asked? Your skills are incredible.

            HTC: Actually, it's simple logic which obviously isn't simple enough for your feeble intellect; but, I'll try to explain it for you.

            By declaring our military forces to be "overwhelming", who new was disputing the conclusions drawn by many others who are trained in military tactics and strategy. By doing so, he is indirectly claiming that he understands military strategy better than the experts.

            So, I simply asked him to explain how he would deal with the challenges that trained experts have identified who've spent much time studying such things.

            You'll notice that he dodged the question.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:28 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            who new: I suspect you also believe I may be anti-gun. I’m not. I only wish we could talk about tragedies associated with weapons without getting into paranoid arguments about the need for the general public to be heavily armed for the purpose of preventing tyrannical governments.

            HTC: I hadn't formed an opinion on whether you were or were not "anti-gun" as I didn't have enough data points from which to draw any conclusions.

            However, you have made it clear that you think the Founders were paranoid, so I'm certain that those who make their "paranoid arguments" today have even less chance of convincing you of the wisdom behind the Second Amendment than they would have.

            Of course, to the Founders, you'd appear profoundly naive. So, too, to those who have studied the rise of the Third Reich in a country which had a Constitution which supposedly made such things impossible.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:11 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:52 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012

            Japan's crisis is expected to cut global auto output by 30 percent in 2013. OEM replacement parts from Japan for Detroit auto are now outsourced to China and Mexico.A global shortage of iron ore for steel production also has a negative effect on auto production for Detroit manufacturers.
            Mr. H, will you continue to use your powers of negative inductive reasoning and convince us all that Japan's crisis and Detroit's suffering is Obama's fault?

            How much iron and steel has left our national reserves in the form of war machinery never to return to our continent? Do you still want to blame Obama for wanting to bring our troops home?

            But wait! what if every man, woman and child who has a firearm made of iron and steel voluntarily sent them to Detroit for smelting? FYI:Historically in both world wars a scarcity of these materials existed. For the purpose of economic recovery,would you be willing to make the sacrifice for our national security, and donate your war toys for your 2013 New Year's resolution? Could you at least do it for the kids sake?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 10:45 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            who new posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            [thumbup]

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:44 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HTC: But since you fancy yourself a great military strategist, why don't you enlighten us as to how this "overwhelming military machine" will so easily keep us in check.
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            who new fancies himself a great military strategist? You got that from one question he asked? Your skills are incredible.

            Let me answer the question. Control communications and transportation. Duh.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:40 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HTC: What you call 'philosophy', the rest of the world calls fact/reality.
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            Whew! Glad we all made the cut. Now that the rest of the world is in accordance to your will, we can arm ourselves and head to Washington! We'll stop in Texas and pick up Ted.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:20 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            who new posted at 11:13 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
            "I wouldn’t have believed there are people who think this is a viable scenario given the overwhelming military machine we have created in America, but thank you for enlightening me there are people who do."
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            Do these people qualify as mentally ill? Delusion is a terrible thing.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:18 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/30/Les-Miz-Age-Of-Obama

            Breitbart.com’s Larry O’Connor dubs Les Misérables’ “A Fitting Lesson For The Age Of Obama:”

            The groundbreaking new film adaptation of the Broadway musical “Les Misérables” features desperate people suffering under soul-shattering unemployment, naive university students decrying the rich and stoking the flames of socialist revolution, unyielding government official interested not in right and wrong but in following his government’s rules and one heroic individual who follows his faith in God to guide him from one success to another all the while truly helping others by using his own private wealth rather than through the ineffective and neglectful government.

            In short, it is the perfect allegory for Americans living in the Age of Obama.

             
          • who new posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HTC: “And how many in our military do you think would actually side with that tyrannical government?”

            What tyrannical government? You presume I accept your premise that there is a reasonable possibility a tyrannical government could even exist in America. I don’t, unless an extremely unlikely set of circumstances were to happen, and one would involve a too powerful military usurping power from the rest of government.

            I suspect you also believe I may be anti-gun. I’m not. I only wish we could talk about tragedies associated with weapons without getting into paranoid arguments about the need for the general public to be heavily armed for the purpose of preventing tyrannical governments. It is similar to other issues (abortion, religion, marriage, etc) we disagree with as a nation: we become too emotional to rationally discuss them.

             
          • hollyscott posted at 8:54 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            SanBernardino CA just recently went bankrupt, the crime, killings, looting has skyrocketed. the city officials asked it's citizens to lock their doors and arm themselves - the city could not be counted on to respond. Many many cities of CA are bankrupt. illegals make up more then half of the population - illegals have set up corrupt network to drain the system (or citizens) - and bring their cartel crime to US. right now our President warns on a daily basis America is on a fiscal cliff. And of course the US has trillions of debt. AND illegals are overtaking OR, WA, MI, IL, on on on. I would not count on any government protecting your family if what is happening in CA happens in your home town. they won't.
            American's can take action to stop some of the crime and invasion:
            Join Numbers USA. They are for ENFORCING our immigration laws, lowering the work visas, anchor babies, mandatory use of e-verify, etc. They rate each candidate on immigration issues and they have free faxes that you can send to the White House, your Congress & Representatives. It’s easy & free, please join!!!
            Check out Numbers USA.
            Feel free to repost. ..

            PS: do not let illegals get a foot-hold in your community or it's over.

             
          • kohana posted at 8:44 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            From Front Page Magazine this morning:

            America Doesn’t Have a Gun Problem, It Has a Gang Problem

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On December 31, 2012

            Chicago’s murder rate has hit that magic 500 number. Baltimore’s murder rate has passed 200. In Philly, it’s up to 324, the highest since 2007. In Detroit, it’s approaching 400, another record. In New Orleans, it’s almost at 200. New York City is down to 414 from 508. In Los Angeles, it’s over 500. In St. Louis it’s 113 and 130 in Oakland. It’s 121 in Memphis and 76 in Birmingham.

            Washington, D.C., home of the boys and girls who can solve it all, is nearing its own big 100.

            Those 12 cities alone account for nearly 3,200 dead and nearly a quarter of all murders in the United States. And we haven’t even visited sunny Atlanta or chilly Cleveland.

            These cities are the heartland of America’s real gun culture. It isn’t the bitter gun-and-bible clingers in McCain and Romney territory who are racking up a more horrifying annual kill rate than Al Qaeda; it’s Obama’s own voting base.

            Chicago, where Obama delivered his victory speech, matches the murder rate for Japan and is higher than the murder rates for Spain, Poland and pre-war Syria. If Chicago gets any worse, it will find itself passing the homicide rate for the entire country of Canada.

            Chicago’s murder rate of 15.65 per 100,000 people looks nothing like the American 4.2 rate, the Midwestern 4.5 or the Illinois’ 5.6 rates, but it does look like the murder rates in failed countries like Rwanda, Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe. To achieve Chicago’s murder rate, African countries usually have to experience a bloody genocidal civil war or decades of tyranny.

            But Chicago isn’t even all that unique. Or the worst case scenario. That would be New Orleans which at an incredible 72.8 murder rate is ten times higher than the national average. If New Orleans were a country, it would have the 2nd highest murder rate in the world, beating out El Salvador.

            Louisiana went red for Romney 58 to 40, but Orleans Parish went blue for Obama 80 to 17.

            St. Louis has a murder rate just a little lower than Belize. Baltimore has a worse murder rate than South Africa and Detroit has a worse murder rate than Colombia. Obama won both St. Louis and Baltimore by comfortable margins. He won Detroit’s Wayne County 73 to 26.

            Homicide rates like these show that something is broken, but it isn’t broken among the Romney voters rushing to stock up on assault rifles every time Obama begins threatening their right to buy them; it’s broken among Obama’s base.

            Any serious conversation about gun violence and gun culture has to begin at home; in Chicago, in Baltimore, in New York City, in Los Angeles and in Washington, D.C.

            Voting for Obama does not make people innately homicidal. Just look at Seattle which is agonizing over its 26 murders. That’s about the same number of murders as East St. Louis which has only 27,000 people to Seattle’s 620,000.

            So what is happening in Chicago to drive it to the gates of hell ahead of Zimbabwe and Rwanda?

            A breakdown of the Chicago killing fields shows that 83% of those murdered in Chicago last year had criminal records. In Philly, it’s 75%. In Milwaukee it’s 77% percent. In New Orleans, it’s 64%. In Baltimore, it’s 91%. Many were felons who had served time. And as many as 80% of the homicides were gang related.

            Chicago’s problem isn’t guns; it’s gangs. Gun control efforts in Chicago or any other major city are doomed because gangs represent organized crime networks which stretch down to Mexico, and trying to cut off their gun supply will be as effective as trying to cut off their drug supply.

            America’s murder rate isn’t the work of the suburban and rural homeowners who shop for guns at sporting goods stores and at gun shows, and whom news shows profile after every shooting, but by the gangs embedded in the urban areas controlled by the Democratic machine. The gangs who drive up America’s murder rate look nothing like the occasional mentally ill suburban white kid who goes off his medication and decides to shoot up a school. Lanza, like most serial killers, is a media aberration, not the norm.

            National murder statistics show that blacks are far more likely to be killers than whites and they are also far more likely to be killed. The single largest cause of homicides is the argument. 4th on the list is juvenile gang activity with 676 murders, which combined with various flavors of gangland killings takes us nearly to the 1,000 mark. America has more gangland murders than Sierra Leone, Eritrea and Puerto Rico have murders.

            Our national murder rate is not some incomprehensible mystery that can only be attributed to the inanimate tools, the steel, brass and wood that do the work. It is largely the work of adult males from age 18 to 39 with criminal records killing other males of that same age and criminal past.

            If this were going on in Rwanda, El Salvador or Sierra Leone, we would have no trouble knowing what to make of it, and silly pearl-clutching nonsense about gun control would never even come up. But this is Chicago, it’s Baltimore, it’s Philly and NOLA; and so we refuse to see that our major cities are in the same boat as some of the worst trouble spots in the world.

            Lanza and Newtown are comforting aberrations. They allow us to take refuge in the fantasy that homicides in America are the work of the occasional serial killer practicing his dark art in one of those perfect small towns that always show up in murder mysteries or Stephen King novels. They fool us into thinking that there is something American about our murder rate that can be traced to hunting season, patriotism and bad mothers.

            But go to Chicago or Baltimore. Go where the killings really happen and the illusion comes apart.

            There is a war going on in America between gangs of young men who bear an uncanny resemblance to their counterparts in Sierra Leone or El Salvador. They live like them, they fight for control of the streets like them and they kill like them.

            America’s horrific murder rate is a result of the transformation of major American cities into Sierra Leone, Somalia, Rwanda and El Salvador. Our murder rate now largely consists of criminals killing criminals.

            As David Kennedy, the head of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control, put it, “The majority of homicide victims have extensive criminal histories. This is simply the way that the world of criminal homicide works. It’s a fact.”

            America is, on a county by county basis, not a violent country, just as it, on a county by county basis, did not vote for Obama. It is being dragged down by broken cities full of broken families whose mayors would like to trash the Bill of Rights for the entire country in the vain hope that national gun control will save their cities, even though gun control is likely to be as much help to Chicago or New Orleans as the War on Drugs.

            Obama’s pretense that there needs to be a national conversation about rural American gun owners is a dishonest and cynical ploy that distracts attention from the real problem that he and politicians like him have sat on for generations.

            We do not need to have a conversation about the NRA. We need to have a conversation about Chicago.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:33 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            jennydoe: ...you got a 'good' person shooting at a 'bad' person when another 'good' person comes onto the scene and unknowingly shoots at the 'good' person firing. Yes indeed. America. Heros everywhere.

            Mistaken identity...not a good reason to be killed...

            HTC: Virtually every time this happens, the second "good person" is a cop; now, I'm not blaming the officer, because it is often difficult when one arrives at the scene to tell the good guys from the bad guys. The intended victim, however, is never confused on that score. That's why you almost never see them shoot someone while mistakenly thinking they were the bad guy.

            jennydoe: And please don't forget in 2013 to daily bash anything, everyone & all things outside of your realm of philosphy.

            HTC: What you call 'philosophy', the rest of the world calls fact/reality. But don't worry - since I'm sure you'll continue to post your fallacious and juvenile progressive garbage throughout 2013, you'll frequently get to experience my fact-based counter-arguments laced with insults when appropriate.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:46 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HTIC posted 714.
            Your intellect and knowledge is overwhelming. I look forward to another year of your well thought out comments, insults, and cover-ups of your own ignorance (ie: election 2012). And please don't forget in 2013 to daily bash anything, everyone & all things outside of your realm of philosphy. Never forget....President Obama is the cause of all your problems.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 7:34 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            so moose, you got a 'good' person shooting at a 'bad' person when another 'good' person comes onto the scene and unknowingly shoots at the 'good' person firing. Yes indeed. America. Heros everywhere.

            Mistaken identity...not a good reason to be killed...

            http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/queens/teen-shot-ak-47-toting-gunmen-queens-article-1.1229437

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:32 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            Armed teachers Bolster Security in Israeli Schools
            by Greg Tepper
            December 30, 2012

            JERUSALEM – Americans intent on ensuring a school massacre like the one in Newtown, Conn., never happens again could learn a lot from Israel, where the long menu of precautions includes armed teachers.

            The Jewish state, which has long faced threats of terrorist strikes in crowded locations including schools, takes an all-of-the-above approach to safety in the classroom. Fences, metal detectors and armed private guards are part of a strategy overseen by the country’s national police. And the idea of armed teachers in the classroom, which stirred much controversy in the wake of the U.S. attack, has long been in practice in Israel, though a minority of them carry weapons today.

            Oren Shemtov, CEO of Israel’s Academy of Security and Investigation, noted that attacks typically happen in a matter of minutes, and said gun-toting teachers could, at the very least, buy time for kids to escape while police race to the scene.

            “Two (armed) teachers would have kept (the Newtown shooter) occupied for 45 seconds each,” said Shemtov, who is one of 16 people in Israel authorized to train those who instruct school guards.

            Shemtov, a veteran of Israel’s security services who has been teaching security methods for 22 years, praised the Newtown teachers who gave their lives trying to protect children, but lamented the fact that they weren’t able to shoot back when gunman Adam Lanza opened fire, killing 20 children and six adults before shooting himself in the head as police converged on Sand Hook Elementary School.

            “We need to give them the tools to be heroes,” Shemtov said. “No one wants to be a hero. They did what they had to do.”

            Security consultant Dov Zwerling, an Israeli counter-terror police veteran, believes armed guards are crucial for school security.

            “From what I know of almost all of the active shooter events in the U.S., almost all of them conclude with the shooter taking his own life the moment he is challenged by the first officer on the scene,” Zwerling said. “Why not challenge him earlier?”

            Shemtov said the two most critical keys to protecting schools are armed guards and armed teacher response teams. But, as in the U.S., the idea of teachers carrying guns raised some objections in Israel, he said.

            “At one point the Interior Ministry mandated that a certain percentage of teachers be armed but because, over time, fewer teachers carried weapons, for a number of reasons, including philosophical objections, and due to increased terror attacks, private guards were mandated at all schools," he said.

            School security in Israel is an extension of the comprehensive approach authorities there take to protecting all public places. According to National Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld, police work with the Israeli Defense Force and the private security companies that protect such places as malls, bus stations, schools and universities. A centralized command system allows for quick dissemination of intelligence to every police officer and private guard in the field, he said.

            A collective effort among police, private guards and teachers requires that the civilians involved in armed security receive rigorous training. Private guards undergo at least three weeks of advanced training with a 9mm weapon and guards employed for school protection must pass criminal, mental and physical checks.

            “A long course, at a minimum of 40-60 hours, is needed so that the instructor can feel out the student,” said Shemtov, noting that not all teachers or guards are suited for school protection. “Course candidates should be a certain age, emotionally mature, of a certain mentality, physically healthy - and from there move to training.”

            In order to station armed guards in U.S. schools, an idea advocated by the National Rifle Association, America could tap a ready pool of qualified candidates, Shemtov said. U.S. soldiers returning from overseas are well suited for school protection, he said, and “instead of returning with nothing to do there’s a sea of work” as school guards.

            “They’re the elite of the American people,” Shemtov said. “You have people obligated, morally and ethically to the state, to the flag - this is a soldier. It’s a person who went out to do this. All you have to do is give him the appropriate training to do this in the private sector....This is the best of the American people, like they’re the best of the Israeli people. They’re people who took it upon themselves to help others.”

            Greg Tepper is a freelance journalist based in Jerusalem

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:24 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            It is absolutely incredible how the MSM continues to cover for Obama and his party!

            With the fiscal cliff almost here, all the Democrats in the Senate need to do is pass H.R. 8 which was sent to them by the House (with bipartisan support) nearly half a year ago and which will extend the Bush tax cuts for everybody for another year. Sure, it doesn't have the magical $80B/yr. in new taxes from the 'rich' which Obama wants; but, does anyone other than our idiot president really think that is going to make a difference when we're borrowing 46 cents of every dollar the government spends? Even the CBO states that Obama's tax increase on the 'rich' is a BAD idea right now and would cost somewhere around 700,000 jobs.

            Furthermore, does anyone think that going off the cliff is better than forgoing that measley amount which won't change anything other than costing us badly needed jobs?

            Either Obama and Reid are complete idiots or they have an evil agenda and really want us to go off the cliff.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:14 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            jennydoe posted at 6:23 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012

            It should prove interesting to see what IA concludes in this matter. For now, I'm sticking with the ME who called it homicide. That individual has plenty of experience in such things, given the high homicide rate in Detroit. The ME's forensic experts have already examined the evidence, including bullet trajectory, GSR stippling, etc. and is standing by their call on this one.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:11 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            mooseberryinn posted at 5:56 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.
            The bottom line remains - The most expeditious removal of a 'bad person" firing a gun to kill people, is to have a good person shoot the bad person.

            I remember getting off a Caribou in Phan Rang, Vietnam. And as a couple of us walked over towards a hut to disperse cash and paper work to a bunch of eager beaver 2nd Lt's for Pay Day fun and games, this guy screaming "Stop! Stop you "string of 4 letter expletives"! Stop!". A LRRP just off a chopper looked over, unslung his Rifle, kneeled, started to take aim, when the guy chasing the momason noticed him and screamed "Don't shoot! She just stole my watch! For "another string of 4 letter expletives" sake!".
            One of the problems with living in an armed camp?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:10 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            mooseberryinn: The bottom line remains - The most expeditious removal of a 'bad person" firing a gun to kill people, is to have a good person shoot the bad person. Now, if in every instance of such bad person behavior we have to wait for police to arrive to stop the bad person, chances are more people will die than if a good person were armed and present to stop the bad person. There now, I doubt there can be anyone who can't understand that.

            HTC: All too often this point is totally overlooked when we talk about crime prevention. There is a reason why the police are called "law enforcement" and not "crime prevention" and that is because only the intended victim or others nearby can prevent a crime from occuring or end it once it begins. Once the police get there, it's time for the body bags and the investigators who hope to catch the perp and bring him/her to 'justice.'

            Of course, that 'justice' is completely lost on those who've had a bag zipped up over their faces.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:04 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            who new: I wouldn’t have believed there are people who think this is a viable scenario given the overwhelming military machine we have created in America, but thank you for enlightening me there are people who do.

            HTC: And what exactly will that military machine do in a country which is 15 times bigger than Afghanistan? Nuke it because they don't have the military capability to actually occupy and hold it against the will of an angry, well-armed population? How would they even handle the logistics required in a country so vast and confronted with guerilla attacks at every turn? And how many in our military do you think would actually side with that tyrannical government?

            Every tyrant who has managed to hold onto power through military means has had a substantial source of revenue OTHER than taxes (e.g., oil.). Our government has no such source of revenue and is dependent upon taxes to support itself. That is its greatest weakness when it comes to funding the oppression of those who pay those taxes.

            But since you fancy yourself a great military strategist, why don't you enlighten us as to how this "overwhelming military machine" will so easily keep us in check.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:01 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 6:52 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            Gosh, you don't even need a shoe horn to fit that into your little meme. Now relax, and take the rest of the year off.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:52 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

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            IABD: Consider some of Detroit's Police Officer's working conditions and wonder why ole Uncle Ted Nugent moved to Texas.

            HTC: Oh, I'm well aware of the situation in Detroit. You need to consider this: It is THE city which the Democratic Party and their union buddies ran into the ground. Detroit is the poster city for what you get if you let Democrats run things long enough.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 6:23 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTIC: I find it difficult to imagine how a waist-level firearm in a holster could should a standing victim in the chest.
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            As do I. But then again there are the reports she was "dancing on her knees", whatever that means. Which when visualized does make sense. Another passionate death, I suppose.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:56 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2678

            The bottom line remains - The most expeditious removal of a 'bad person" firing a gun to kill people, is to have a good person shoot the bad person. Now, if in every instance of such bad person behavior we have to wait for police to arrive to stop the bad person, chances are more people will die than if a good person were armed and present to stop the bad person. There now, I doubt there can be anyone who can't understand that.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:38 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            bill39: "True, there were many long sniper shots taken during the revolutionary war, with great accuracy."

            Great research, Bill! Did Rifled barrels need a whole different type of scarce, expensive, black powder?
            And did the British Army consider Snipers and their emphasis on shooting Officers to be a War Crime and took it out on American Prisoners? I think the Archbishop of Canterbury even tried to get American Anglicans and such to denounce "Snipers shooting Officers", and went so far as to say it was against the teachings of Jesus Christ. Imagine that!

             
          • bill39 posted at 5:21 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            bill39 Posts: 1047

            HTC: Actually, only smooth-bore muskets suffered from such inaccuracy. Rifled barrels fixed that problem and started to be widely used in the Seven Year War and then in the American Revolution which followed it.

            True, there were many long sniper shots taken during the revolutionary war, with great accuracy.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:42 am on Mon, Dec 31, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            who new posted at 11:13 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
            "I wouldn’t have believed there are people who think this is a viable scenario given the overwhelming military machine we have created in America, but thank you for enlightening me there are people who do."

            The Hills are alive,
            with the Sound of Whining.......[wink]

             
          • who new posted at 11:13 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            who new Posts: 367

            HTC: “As for "overthrowing tyrants" who seize power from within, you merely starve them out. Without money they're powerless. A heavily armed population would simply refuse to pay the onerous taxes traditionally imposed by such governments and the government would not have the means nor the numbers to go after all of them.”

            I wouldn’t have believed there are people who think this is a viable scenario given the overwhelming military machine we have created in America, but thank you for enlightening me there are people who do.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:02 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            Mr. H, You seem to always have the final word as a coroner's coroner. Or are you masquerading as the NRA's real man's man. Consider some of Detroit's Police Officer's working conditions and wonder why ole Uncle Ted Nugent moved to Texas.

            http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/10/06/enter-at-your-own-risk-police-union-says-war-like-detroit-is-unsafe-for-visitors/

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 8:02 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            lovenmt posted at 7:42 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            While your making a list and checking it twice, lets also consider a new law that designates anyone with faulty brakes on their vehicles, busted windshields, no seatbelts, talking on a cellphone, faulty lights and no winter traction as criminals. You should check out the unsafe tread on the junkers parked in casino parking lots as well as the working poor at Teletech and the DIL in Kalispell, MT.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:01 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            jennydoe posted at 5:12 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            The incident is still being investigated, so we'll have to wait for the IA results. In the interim, the medical examiner has ruled it a homicide and I'm inclined to side with the ME, since I find it difficult to imagine how a waist-level firearm in a holster could should a standing victim in the chest.

            Also, this is Detroit we're talking about here and the stories surrounding their PD would curl your hair.

            It's also interesting that the official department issue pistol specifically excluded the manual thumb safety. That wasn't too smart.

             
          • lovenmt posted at 7:42 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            lovenmt Posts: 9

            Create more laws and see how well the criminals will obey them. If a person intends to do harm to another they will find a way do to so.
            so with that I ask you this...If a new law is put into place that all mentaly ill people go on a national registry list will it also include any person who has had to take any medication for anxiety or depression? Just something I have been wondering about due to the fact that there are thousands of people out there who are on mind altering meds and propbably own firearms..

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 7:33 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            For your listening pleasure:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrFCwvlw0cs

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:44 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Bronco posted at 5:06 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.
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            I am beginning to think that HTIC is the neurons of Frank's brain. He has addressed everyone's response to Frank today, in his oh so authoritive manner, except Bill's. But then again Bill's response could be interuptated in a variety of ways.
            Sounds like a pleasant country we're becoming where 50% are packing. Hope I don't get caught in the crossfire.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 5:28 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare,
            and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            Yes Mr. Miele, as you state "Guns are dangerous, but people are more so."
            It has become self-evident to WE THE PEOPLE of the United States of America we have not been insured of domestic Tranquility from the likes of warmongering federalists such as HTC, and WE THE PEOPLE are totally fed up with the constant BS. Could everyone just have peace in their hearts instead of a deathwish this New Year's Eve?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:12 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            HTIC: injured by a holstered firearm. Do you?
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            Well, yes, if you call death an injury......

            http://www.freep.com/article/20120709/NEWS01/120709035/Police-Officer-s-gun-killed-Adaisha-Miller-had-trigger-could-reached-through-holster

             
          • Bronco posted at 5:06 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Just thought I'd stop by and see if all those who don't think like HTC are still stupid, moronic idiots who cite inferior and inaccurate sources. I am not disappointed. kohana will light more candles at his shrine.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:51 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            HTC-"The Constitution specifically authorizes the federal government to maintain an army and a navy."

            IABD- Let's quickly take a look at your wording....The words "federal government" are not written in the Constitution anywhere.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:46 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            As was true for the past four years, job creation and getting the economy growing again is still the top concern for most Americans. Four years ago, Obama decided that ObamaCare was more important and now he's decided that gun control is more important for his second term.

            What kind of idiot can't figure out this moron and why he's bad for America?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:43 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: It certainly is depressing to be single, vegetarian and live alone in such a hostile environment while being known as a local non-violent hippy musician. If I had a firearm I would place a flower down the barrel and carve peace-signs on the stock.

            HTC: Now I understand what your problem is. Go get a girlfriend and a gun, take her hunting and start eating some meat. That'll cure what ails you.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:39 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: Law enforcement are “Jack-Booted Thugs.”

            HTC: La Pierre has said that specifically about the BATF and you'd ever worked with some of them, as I did years ago, you'd know why. Even FBI, DEA and U.S. Marshalls that I worked with had a similar take on the BATF.

            Do some homework on them and be ready for some interesting and eye-opening education.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:36 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Rob123: Wrong! They were NOT widely used. It's well documented. They were expensive! Mainly used by Snipers and certain Light Infantry units.

            HTC: It has been well-documented that the British forces and their Hessian mercenaries widely adopted rifled barrels as the Revolutionary War dragged on. The impoverished Continental Army could only afford them for snipers and such and were reminded all too frequently of how "out-gunned" they were, both in infantry firearms and in cannon.

            Your original point was that the Founders supposedly wrote the Second Amendment largely ignorant of the capabilities of such accurized weapons and that is plainly false.

            Rob123: And as a rank and file member of the NRA, I tire of the Far Right knotheads and their so called Patriot/ Constitutional obstructionism that has more to do with manufacturers and their motley crew of Marketing Gurus/ Sales Commissions than Common Sense gun ownership.

            HTC: When you start talking about "common sense" approaches to our individual rights, it is time for all freedom loving people to start trembling in their shoes.

            Rob123: Getting a gun should at least be as difficult as getting a pain killer for a bad tooth.

            HTC: I have to disagree with you there. There's no reason for the government to control our access to pain killers the way they do today in order to supposedly protect us from ourselves. There's nothing in the Constitution which give the government that power.

            As for access to guns, reasonable obstacles to prevent easy access by violent felons and the mentally ill are certainly appropriate, but regulating guns based upon a few meaningless charcteristics such as is done in Feinstein's proposed bill is both stupid and evil.

            Rob123: But hey, if you can find a 30 round clip for my 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle, I would love to go to the range with you, watch you empty the clip, then walk around all day hitting your shoulder and asking "How does it feel, Big Guy?".

            HTC: That's OK, I'll bring my own which has significantly less recoil than a typical 12ga. shotgun. Maybe you need to upgrade to better 50?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:24 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            Once again, they distort the facts by including suicides in their 'homicide' figures.

            Of course there are 'studies' to support virtually any conclusion one wants, mostly because most people are too ignorant of the facts and statistical sciences to tell a legitimate study from a bad one. Largely progressive academia has long taken advantage of that ignorance which their counterparts in the public school sector have helped to create.

            I'd suggest you get some education in the statistical sciences so that you don't have to depend on these charlatans to do your thinking for you.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:19 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            Bronco posted at 12:14 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            Clearly you still haven't learned the difference between allegations (what you posted) and proof of those allegations.

            Now go back and cite verbatim the sections of the Patriot Act which support your allegations.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 3:19 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)

            A lone wolf or lone-wolf fighter is someone who commits or prepares for, or is suspected of committing or preparing for, violent acts in support of some group, movement, or ideology, but who does so alone, outside of any command structure and without material assistance from any group.
            In the U.S. legal context, the lone wolf is associated with the U.S. terror-law FISA, bearing in mind that U.S. terror-law comprises non-violent, as well as violent acts. Moreover, a lone wolf can be so defined on the mere basis of suspicion ("reasonable belief", not actual charges). Probable cause is not required.

            IABD- Who actually thinks they have a capable and qualified discernment of character and desires to be the first one on his/her block to be the local neighborhood crimewatch under the directives of a partisan GOP sheriff?
            It certainly is depressing to be single, vegetarian and live alone in such a hostile environment while being known as a local non-violent hippy musician. If I had a firearm I would place a flower down the barrel and carve peace-signs on the stock.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:17 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            kohana: ...we have pointed out many times over the past several weeks, posted news stories, and other sources to back up our stance, and it appears non of the opposition reads any of it at all, or if they do, they don't consider it valid. There is no point of further discussion.

            HTC: That's why we have the art of insult.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:15 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            IABD: You being a former catholic and non-christian know quite well that people who commit suicide go to hell.

            HTC: How could hell possibly be worse than being trapped in your head with your thoughts?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 3:11 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9896

            breeze101: Gun nuts need to learn history. The founding fathers included the 2nd amendment becuase they did not want the government to have a standing army. You are free to join join a well regulated militia like National Guard if you want to own a compensator for your lack of manliness.

            HTC: I hope you don't own firearms, for I fear they might be as likely to suffer the same tendency to accidental discharge as is frequently demonstrated by your mouth.

            Let's quickly take a look at its wording:

            "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

            The Constitution specifically authorizes the federal government to maintain an army and a navy. The purpose of the "militia", which has always been defined as every man with arms, was two fold: (1) to assist the army and the navy in defending the nation from outside aggression and (2) to ensure that the States remained sovereign in case the new federal government sought to exceed its Constitutional boundaries.

            That is why the amendment itself uses the words "the security of a free state" and not "the security of the nation."

            The right of individuals to own and bear arms is NOT a unique invention of James Madison. It was long recognized in common law, in many commonwealth constitutions and also in the English Bill of Rights. The right of rebellion against the forces of tyranny was also well recognized and understood as a right of free men and the U.S. Supreme Court has ackowledged this history (United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) and D.C. v Heller (2008).)

            Membership in a 'militia' has also been deemed by SCOTUS to NOT be a requirement for exercise of one's Second Amendment right and, in U.S. v Miller, they clarified the makeup of the militia, that they owned their own firearms and that they were to be of the type in common use by the military:

            “...[w]ith obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted with that end in view."

            The significance of the militia, the Court continued, was that it was composed of “civilians primarily, soldiers on occasion.” It was upon this force that the States could rely for defense and securing of the laws, on a force that “comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense,” who, “when called for service . . . were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.”

            The court went on to note that the Second Amendment likely only protected a right to own weapons of military utility:

            "...“[i]n the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than 18 inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well– regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument. Certainly it is not within judicial notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense.”

            More recently, SCOTUS has issued two landmark decisions further clarifying the Second Amendment. In 2008 the Supreme Court ruled in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense.

            In 2010, in McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.

            While there are many ways one can compensate for a "lack of manliness", compensating for a lack of intelligence and its resulting ignorance is much harder, as I'm sure you know all too well.


             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 2:27 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            Everything You Need To Know About The NRA’s Wayne LaPierre
            By Josh Israel on Dec 21, 2012 at 1:03 pm

            NRA executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre

            The National Rifle Association’s CEO and executive vice president Wayne LaPierre finally broke the organization’s silence about the Newtown, Connecticut shooting at a press conference today, delivering a long indictment of the media violence and its demonization of gun owners. LaPierre will also appear on NBC’s Meet the Press this Sunday.
            LaPierre, who has been with the organization since 1991, has been one of the nation’s most visible and vocal opponents of gun control laws. Over his tenure, he has drawn bipartisan criticism for a wide array of extreme public statements — in addition to his most recent comments following the school shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School. Here are some of LaPierre’s more stunning statements:

            1. Law enforcement are “Jack-Booted Thugs.” In March 1995, LaPierre sent a fundraising letter to 3.5 million NRA members calling federal law enforcement agents “jack-booted government thugs” and arguing that “in Clinton’s administration, if you have a badge, you have the government’s go-ahead to harass, intimidate, even murder law-abiding citizens.” President George H.W. Bush resigned his membership in protest and LaPierre was forced to apologize.

            2. Bill Clinton purposely tolerated violence in order to ban guns. In March 2000, the New York Times reported LaPierre “said President Clinton tolerated a certain amount of violence and killing to strengthen the case for gun control and to score points for his party. Mr. Clinton called the comments ‘smear tactics.’ Then Mr. LaPierre said Mr. Clinton had blood ‘on his hands’ because he had not enforced existing gun laws.”

            3. Gun-Free zones are killing people. After the January 2011 Tucson shootings, LaPierre claimed “gun-free zones and anti-self defense laws that protected the safety of no one except the killers,” and said that “by its lies and laws and lack of enforcement, government polices are getting us killed, and imprisoning us in a society of terrifying violence.” This, despite the fact that the shooting had not taken place in a gun-free zone. He added, “These clowns want to ban magazines. Are you kidding me? But that’s their response to the blizzard of violence and mayhem affecting our nation. One more gun law on top of all of the laws already on the books.”

            4. Obama spent a lifetime destroying the Second Amendment. LaPierre refused to take part in discussions with President Obama’s administration after Tucson shootings to discuss possible ways to avoid future mass shootings. “Why should I or the N.R.A. go sit down with a group of people that have spent a lifetime trying to destroy the Second Amendment in the United States,” he asked.

            5. Fast and Furious was engineered for “political advantage.” In March 2011, LaPierre said on a Fox News program he hosted that “someone in the government” engineered the failed Operation Fast and Furious “to seek political advantage.”

            6. The UN is coming for American guns. In July 2012, LaPierre told Fox News Channel’s Megyn Kelly that a proposed United Nations treaty regulating the global arms trade “says to people in the United States, turn over your personal protection and your firearms to the government.”

            7. Obama will confiscate “our firearms.” In July 2012 — just three days after the movie theater shootings in Aurora, CO — LaPierre sent a paranoid fundraising letter warning that the group needed to defeat President Obama’s re-election. “The future of your Second Amendment rights will be at stake,” the letter said. “And nothing less than the future of our country and our freedom will be at stake.” . . . The solicitation letter says that Obama’s re-election would result in the “confiscation of our firearms.”

            8. Obama’s inaction on guns is a conspiracy to win re-election. In September 2012, LaPierre suggested a novel theory as to why President Obama had not opposed gun rights in his first term. He said the administration’s inaction was “part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and hide his true intentions to destroy the Second Amendment in our country…Before the president was even sworn into office, they met and they hatched a conspiracy of public deception to try to guarantee his re-election in 2012.”

            9. All will be lost if Obama is re-elected. In February, LaPierre predicted that gun owners will rally en masse to defeat Obama in November. “All of what we know is good and right about America, all of it could be lost if Barack Obama is re-elected,” he said. “It’s all or nothing.”

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:30 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Rob123 Posts: 6591

            HTC: Actually, only smooth-bore muskets suffered from such inaccuracy. Rifled barrels fixed that problem and started to be widely used in the Seven Year War and then in the American Revolution which followed it.

            Wrong! They were NOT widely used. It's well documented. They were expensive! Mainly used by Snipers and certain Light Infantry units.
            http://voices.yahoo.com/smoothbore-musket-versus-long-rifle-revolutionary-14141.html
            "Smoothbore Musket Versus the Long Rifle in the Revolutionary War"

            And as a rank and file member of the NRA, I tire of the Far Right knotheads and their so called Patriot/ Constitutional obstructionism that has more to do with manufacturers and their motley crew of Marketing Gurus/ Sales Commissions than Common Sense gun ownership. Getting a gun should at least be as difficult as getting a pain killer for a bad tooth. But hey, if you can find a 30 round clip for my 50 Caliber Sniper Rifle, I would love to go to the range with you, watch you empty the clip, then walk around all day hitting your shoulder and asking "How does it feel, Big Guy?".

            As for the rest of your subjective take on History and Canada, oh blow it out your .........

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 1:06 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            kohana posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012
            "I have been armed since the early 1970s, and have yet to fire at anyone. But being armed helped me rid my neighborhood of drug dealers."

            kohana posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012
            "You are such a nitwit! I was inspired by my ex-husband who trained me in defensive methods, gave me a .357 magnum, and I have never seen a Clint Eastwood movie."

            IABD- Defensive vigilantism is an inexcusable oxymoron, but perhaps you used entrapment techniques to rid your neighborhood of drug dealers instead of being the block mother.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:59 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            It's a beautiful day: Was your personal choice of defense/offense weapon inspired from GOP favorite Clint Eastwood's 1971 performance from the movie "Dirty Harry"?)

            kohana: You are such a nitwit!
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            Is everyone who asks you a question a nitwit?

            nitwit |ˈnitˌwit| noun
            a silly or foolish person (often as a general term of abuse).

            Love the person you're becoming under the divine guidance of HTC. He's so inspiring, yeah?

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:42 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Ooops...cost- CONSCIOUS

             
          • kohana posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            It's a beautiful day posted at 12:22 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            You are such a nitwit! I was inspired by my ex-husband who trained me in defensive methods, gave me a .357 magnum, and I have never seen a Clint Eastwood movie.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:40 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Draw your own conclusions here. The stats show the fewer guns, the less homicides...even with education.
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            From http://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/mass-murder-shooting-sprees-and-rampage-violence-research-roundup

            While FBI statistics show that levels of violent crime in the United States, including murder, have steadily declined since 1991, homicides still claim about 15,000 lives a year. More than half of all murders in a given year are typically committed with guns.

            As a 2011 United Nations report notes, America has a “relatively high homicide rate compared to other countries with a similar socio-economic level,” but per-capita homicide rates in the Caribbean, Central America and Africa are often much higher and approach “crisis” levels there. The relationship between gun availability and homicide rates is, according to an American Journal of Criminal Justice paper, “not stable across nations.” Even so, a 2011 study in the Journal of Trauma compared the United States with similar nations and found that U.S. homicide rates were “6.9 times higher than rates in the other high-income countries, driven by firearm homicide rates that were 19.5 times higher. For 15-year olds to 24-year olds, firearm homicide rates in the United States were 42.7 times higher than in the other countries.”
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            “Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review”

            Wellford C.F.; Pepper J.V.; Petrie C.V. National Research Council of the National Academies, 2004. Washington, DC: National Academies Press.

            Findings: “Empirical research on firearms and violence has resulted in important findings that can inform policy decisions. In particular, a wealth of descriptive information exists about the prevalence of firearm-related injuries and deaths, about firearms markets, and about the relationships between rates of gun ownership and violence. Research has found, for example, that higher rates of household firearms ownership are associated with higher rates of gun suicide, that illegal diversions from legitimate commerce are important sources of crime guns and guns used in suicide, that firearms are used defensively many times per day, and that some types of targeted police interventions may effectively lower gun crime and violence. This information is a vital starting point for any constructive dialogue about how to address the problem of firearms and violence. While much has been learned, much remains to be done, and this report necessarily focuses on the important unknowns in this field of study. The committee found that answers to some of the most pressing questions cannot be addressed with existing data and research methods, however well designed. For example, despite a large body of research, the committee found no credible evidence that the passage of right-to-carry laws decreases or increases violent crime, and there is almost no empirical evidence that the more than 80 prevention programs focused on gun-related violence have had any effect on children’s behavior, knowledge, attitudes or beliefs about firearms. The committee found that the data available on these questions are too weak to support unambiguous conclusions or strong policy statements.”
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            And for you cost-conscient capitalists:

            “Murder by Numbers: Monetary Costs Imposed by a Sample of Homicide Offenders”

            DeLisi, Matt; Kosloski, Anna; Sween, Molly; Hachmeister, Emily; Moore, Matt; Drury, Alan. Journal of Forensic Psychiatry & Psychology, 2010, Vol. 21, Issue 4. doi: 10.1080/ 14789940903564388

            Abstract: “Prior research on the monetary costs of criminal careers has neglected to focus on homicide offenders and tended to minimize the public costs associated with crime. Drawing on expanded monetization estimates produced by Cohen and Piquero, this study assessed the monetary costs for five crimes (murder, rape, armed robbery, aggravated assault, and burglary) imposed by a sample of (n = 654) convicted and incarcerated murderers. The average cost per murder exceeded $17.25 million and the average murderer in the current sample posed costs approaching $24 million. The most violent and prolific offenders singly produced costs greater than $150-160 million in terms of victim costs, criminal justice costs, lost offender productivity, and public willingness-to-pay costs.”

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 12:22 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            kohana posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012
            "I have been armed since the early 1970s, and have yet to fire at anyone. But being armed helped me rid my neighborhood of drug dealers."

            IABD- Was your personal choice of defense/offense weapon inspired from GOP favorite Clint Eastwood's 1971 performance from the movie "Dirty Harry"?

            Harry Callahan: "I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?"

            Dirty Harry (plural Dirty Harrys)
            (figuratively) A police officer who is reckless, disregards practices and policies, or who practices vigilantism, or has a questionable use of force and officer involved shooting incidents.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:14 pm on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HTC: I've got a better idea: Why don't you try something new. Namely, describe for me exactly what parts of the Constitution were violated by the Patriot Act. None of your fellow progressives on this forum have been able to do that, just as they haven't been able to provide a definition of personal liberty...
            Not having any idea what you're talking about but lecturing those of us who do is the one thing progressives truly excel at.
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            Hey, Insulter, I'm not a progressive but I'll give it a shot:

            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

            US Patriot Act
            The government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

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            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

            US Patriot Act
            The government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

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            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

            US Patriot Act
            To assist terror investigation, the government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.

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            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment VI: ... to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

            US Patriot Act
            The government may monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

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            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment I: Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ...

            US Patriot Act
            The government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

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            US Constitution (Bill of Rights)
            Amendment VI: ... to be confronted with the witnesses against him ...

            US Patriot Act
            Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.

            "In conclusion, The Patriot Act does not just violate the Constitution, but represents the loss of our individual liberties by violating our freedom of speech, information, and expression as stated in the First Amendment and the protection from search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment. Most serious is that it threatens democracy and gives the FBI uncontrolled power to gain personal information without adequate charges. For all of these reasons we should realize our liberties and fight for them."--- Katarina Uhalova in The Patriot Act vs. the Constitution

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            HTC, your true colors are showing again. Maybe you should wrap yourself up in the American flag and try once more to convince us you're a Libertarian?

             
          • kohana posted at 11:59 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            Or maybe this one:

            http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-23/phoenix-teen-shoots-intruder/55782484/1

            14-year-old boy shot and nearly killed an intruder who broke into his Phoenix home and pulled a gun on him while he was watching his three younger siblings, police said Saturday.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:52 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            How about a 12 year old girl shooting an intruder while hiding in the closet with a gun and 911 on the phone talking to her:

            www.huffingtonpost.com/.../oklahoma-girl-shoots-home-intruder_n_...

            Oct 20, 2012 – Police say the Calera 12-year-old used the family's gun to shoot and injure an alleged home invader ...

             
          • kohana posted at 11:48 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            You know, HTC, Pete, J.B., and other logical thinking people, we have pointed out many times over the past several weeks, posted news stories, and other sources to back up our stance, and it appears non of the opposition reads any of it at all, or if they do, they don't consider it valid. There is no point of further discussion. Any dozen or so incidences in this country of millions of people do not warrant having our rights disposed of. Far more children are killed by parental abuse, medical malpractice, autos, than by crazies with guns and certainly not by law abiding citizens.

            I have been armed since the early 1970s, and have yet to fire at anyone. But being armed helped me rid my neighborhood of drug dealers. The following story will tell you that felons will get guns one way or another and all the laws on the books won't stop them.

            Police: Christmas Eve firefighter shooter used ‘straw purchaser’ to acquire weapons

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/29/police-christmas-eve-firefighter-shooter-used-straw-purchaser-to-acquire-weapons/#ixzz2GYtDpQM2

            The 62-year-old convicted felon who gunned down two firefighters and wounded three first responders on Christmas Eve in Webster, New York used weapons his neighbor illegally purchased for him, according to state and federal authorities.

            The neighbor, 24-year-old Dawn Nguyen, was arrested on Friday after police traced the serial numbers on two weapons used by William Spengler, the shooter: a Bushmaster AR-15 semiautomatic rifle and a 12-gauge shotgun, both purchased in 2010. (RELATED: ‘Firefighter of the year’ murdered in upstate New York ambush)

            While this so-called “straw purchasing” is illegal, the U.S. Department of Justice sanctioned the practice between 2006 and 2011.

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/29/police-christmas-eve-firefighter-shooter-used-straw-purchaser-to-acquire-weapons/#ixzz2GYt4dc3s


             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 11:39 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            Oh DOH.... if they made BIG BIRD into a "weapon" with a 30 round internal capacity, are you going to pass a law against it if a kid uses it to mow down the school lunch ladies? OMGosh no clip here!

            Then what.... someone makes a "Cookie Monster" weapon next..... now more laws needed?

            You can't make laws by gut level reactionary impulses... even the laws on the books people dwell over for years never get enforced or the perps usually don't get prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.

            Figure out what will lead us to those individuals who may be planning crimes and stop them!

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 11:23 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832

            HighTechCowboy posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            HTC: "If I were you, I'd probably have to kill myself.
            Correction, if I were you, I probably wouldn't trust myself to do that properly either and would have to ask someone to kill me."

            IABD: What an insane thought Mr. H...Fortunately I am a christian as well as catholic. My catholicism is firmly hard-wired from the catechism lessons from 1st thru 8th grade elementary at St. Matthews
            grade school in Kalispell, MT. You being a former catholic and non-christian know quite well that people who commit suicide go to hell.

             
          • Mtwatch posted at 11:22 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            btw THIS WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT!! IT WAS PLANNED AND CARRIED OUT BY A 14, 16 AND 12 YEAR OLD GIRL!!! READ THE ARTICLE AND WEEP FOR OUR CHILDREN!

             
          • Mtwatch posted at 11:13 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            Tell it to the man who was just SHOT TO DEATH by a 12 YEAR OLD!!!

            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/29/2-teens-12-year-old-charged-in-north-carolina-murder/?test=latestnews

             
          • breeze101 posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            Gun nuts need to learn history. The founding fathers included the 2nd amendment becuase they did not want the government to have a standing army. You are free to join join a well regulated militia like National Guard if you want to own a compensator for your lack of manliness.

            Mooseberry: Let's see now - 1. There is no such thing as an "assault weapon"

            The NRA disagrees with you:"SCAR SOF Combat Assault Rifle"
            http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/fn-scar/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            It's a beautiful day posted at 10:42 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012

            If I were you, I'd probably have to kill myself.

            Correction, if I were you, I probably wouldn't trust myself to do that properly either and would have to ask someone to kill me.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:50 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            jennydoe: Sen. DIANNE Feinstein doesn't want to shame the everyday responsible gun owner Frank. She seems concerned about the multiple round clips (more than 10 rounds) and assault weapons that are designed for the military.

            HTC: You need to read her new bill. It goes FAR beyond anything you've described. And the ten-round argument is a canard, pure and simple. I could tape two such magazines together and quickly drop the spent magazine, flip it around, reinsert it and begin firing again. A backpack could carry many of these dual-magazine combinations, each preloaded and ready for action.

            Feinstein's bill seeks to remove, restrict or tax out of existence a large number of firearms including handguns which were explicitly protected by SCOTUS' ruling in D.C. v Heller. Since criminals will always be able to get these items, one has to ask why she would want to make the world safer for criminals by disarming the law-abiding public.

            There aren't any good answers to that question.

            You also clearly know NOTHING about Dianne Feinstein. I do, having come from the Bay Area. She is an opportunistic, self-serving RICH politician who doesn't give a hoot what the Constitution says, since she considers it to be a "dated" document with little application to our 'modern' world.

            jennydoe: These are the same guns that have the potential of killing your children and lots of others if they are in the wrong movie theater, shopping mall or school at the wrong time.

            HTC: Your sentence needs to read: "These are the same guns that have the potential of killing your children and lots of others if they are in the wrong movie theater, shopping mall or school at the wrong time AND we've disarmed the victims with our asinine, unconstitutional gun control laws."

            jennydoe: Her proposed law isn't going to make any less guns out there available for the crazies, don't worry they will always be able to obtain their destructive weapons if they want.

            HTC: So why enact those silly laws?

            jennydoe: Dianne seems to feel there will be more shootings, as they have been increasing, if we don't curb the accessiblity of these multiple rounds munitions.

            HTC: Actually, they've been in decline for many years. The media's coverage, for purely political reasons, only makes it appear that they're on the rise.

            And did you not notice that you just contradicted your previous sentence? That's one of the things about you progressives which really cracks me up. SO often you contradict yourselves within the SAME paragraph or the one immediately following!

            jennydoe: I guess in your world it would be easier to lock-up any person showing signs of oddity. After all, who would think that any of these young men would loose it and take down anybody in their way out of life? But typically we don't know a suicidical murderer is such, until the act is done. Too late, Too bad. No reason not to let them have access to the most deadly weapons.

            HTC: You're DEAD wrong on that. There are only a handful of cases, in hundreds over several decades, where the perp's mental stability hadn't long been in question. The Dark Knight theater shooter and the Newtown shooter (I won't mention the scum's names) aren't among those few cases; in fact, the theater shooter had expressly told his psychiatrist on more than one occasion that he really wanted to kill a bunch of people.

            The psychiatrist never reported this to authorities because he's a flaming progressive who was more concerned about the "privacy rights" of a man who clearly fancied himself a mass murderer.

            Previous mass shootings have led to efforts to enact legislation requiring mental health professionals to report such things, making it a crime if they do not. Every time, those efforts have been blocked by the progressive-dominated "mental health" profession, the ACLU and other such liberal legal-aid groups and liberal Democrats.

            Once again, we see how twisted is the mind of the progressive who prefers to expose our children to such risks in the defense of nonexistent rights of madmen.

            jennydoe: Unless you are a drug dealer, or involved in other illegal activities, why would you have a 30-100 round AR ready at the helm for defense? If you aren't able to stop an intruder with 10 rounds, then it is possible that you aren't a responsible gun owner.

            HTC: What if you're confronted with multiple intruders? That happens more frequently than you know.

            Then there's the little matter of why the Second Amendment exists in the first place.

            jennydoe: Andrew Kehoe probably would have appreciated the technology and availiblity of an assault rifle. Had to have spent a lot of time rigging the bombs to take down the town of Bath. (a malfunction in wiring saved the rest of the town he had rigged) All over a school tax hike. He was an original teapartier.

            HTC: That is incredibly low and vile, even for YOU. It is also patently false. Mr. Kehoe was angry with the entire community following his loss in his bid to retain his position as town clerk. He felt the entire community was against him and conspiring against him. Today, he likely would have been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic.

            But keep up your hateful comments about the right. We've come to expect it and know that, when hateful people quit spewing their garbage, THAT'S when you really need to worry.

            jennydoe: If I were a kiiler, I think it would be way more thrilling to shoot all my victims, see the shock in their eyes, hear the screams from their throats, experience their fear than to set a bomb or poison the water system, etc. It would make me feel all dominent. Right? The trend seems to be that the next incident has to be more atrocious than the last. And arming the good guys don't always work. At times it actually backfires.

            HTC: Sometimes it does indeed. Such as when you have a lone smaller, less physically strong female officer watching a bigger, stronger violent male perp who isn't handcuffed.

            Stupidity isn't simply annoying to the nonstupid. It also kills.

             
          • It's a beautiful day posted at 10:42 am on Sun, Dec 30, 2012.

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            TEA PARTY AND THE RIGHT

            Investigative Fund at The Nation Institute / By David Neiwert

            Why Right-Wing Fearmongers Have Blood on Their Hands
            The Right bears the lion's share of the blame for creating a toxic environment in which unstable people come to believe their political opponents are pure evil.

            January 16, 2011 |
            For some time now, it's been something of a reflexive response by media pundits, particularly conservatives and "moderate" liberals, to point to mental illness when some violent and unstable person commits a horrifying act in the name of extremist right-wing beliefs. If they're just mentally ill, you can't blame the people whose ideas they happened to pick up, can you?

            Thus we have witnessed a steady stream of "isolated incidents" in which angry, mentally unstable men walk into churches and shoot their liberal targets in the head, or walk into public spaces and open fire, or crash their planes into government offices and gun down police officers. Yet when all these, and a long list of similar incidents, occur, they are dismissed as "isolated incidents." Because, you see the perpetrators are just "nutcases."

            Likewise, when an oddball college dropout named Jared Loughner walks up to Representative Gabrielle Giffords in a Safeway parking lot and shoots her point-blank, then empties another 30 rounds into the crowd around her, killing six and wounding 14 more — well, that can't be laid at the feet of his incoherent (but largely right-wing) belief system, can it? After all, he's obviously got mental problems, right? Therefore, it's just another isolated incident.

            That's a cop-out, and a dangerous one. One of its chief consequences, in fact, is that the list of "isolated incidents" — and the body count that accompanies it — will just keep mounting. At some point, people will realize that the incidents are perhaps not so isolated after all.

            This is particularly the case in a place like Arizona, where the political environment has become increasingly toxic in recent years. Conservative hatred of all things liberal has become so ingrained in the local discourse — thanks in large part to the pervasive popularity of right-wing hate talkers like Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh, as well as the omnipresence of Fox News and its "opinion" pundits — that it is becoming increasingly difficult to self-identify as a Democrat or a liberal in much of the state. People are afraid — with good reason — that doing so will expose them to vicious verbal and perhaps physical attacks. (Will Bunch wrote about this phenomenon in some detail for Media Matters recently.)

            People on the ground in Arizona, like Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, know this reality intimately — which is why he immediately spoke out after the Giffords shootings, denouncing the "climate of hate" that had come to dominate the political environment in his state, and pointing in particular to right-wing radio and TV pundits who whip up those animosities for ratings, profits, and sheer mean-spirited viciousness.

            So the Right's response is what we have seen in previous "isolated incidents": Because Loughner is a "nutcase" with views from all over the conspiracy planet, the Right can't be blamed for his act.

            To an extent, they are correct: They certainly can't be blamed in any direct sense, and especially not in a criminal sense. But neither are they without culpability — especially when the rhetoric upon which the mentally unstable person has acted violently is as deliberately inflammatory and as profoundly irresponsible as what we have seen from the American Right in recent years. The Right, indeed, bears the lion's share of the blame for creating a toxic environment in which unstable people come to believe that their political opponents are the embodiment of pure evil — that they are destroying America delibe