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Posted: Saturday, March 9, 2013 7:00 pm | Updated: 1:28 pm, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

The much talked-about schism in the Republican Party is better defined as a schism between the lovers of liberty and the lovers of power.

But let’s be more specific: This schism is really a love triangle as the libertarians and authoritarians vie for the affections of the American people.

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          137 comments:

          • kohana posted at 7:51 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            JBSTONE posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013

            Her speech made me laugh and then about brought me to tears. Wish we had all known her better 4/5 years ago.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:47 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            JBSTONE posted at 4:32 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            [smile] Be careful big guy, I am an 007 gadget fan, especially the passenger side ejection seat. Truly, the ultimate 'Heads Up' gadget in my rig. You might want to practice "You Bet!" for that question I always ask everyone somewhere during the ride: "Are we having fun, yet?".

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Sarah Palin, the 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee, called President Barack Obama a liar and urged her party to stand by conservative values, rousing the crowd at a conservative conference on Saturday.

            “Barack Obama promised the most transparent administration ever. Barack Obama, you lie,” the former Alaska governor said in an address to the Conservative Political Action Conference near Washington

            WASHINGTON — Reuters

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 4:32 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            Rebel Rouser posted at 3:31 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.


            "HTC: Got room for a fourth?"

            Be very careful rob, I sense a trap!

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            ROB:

            http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1717/card00533fr.jpg

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:53 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328


            HTC: Polls continue to show that a majority of Americans want ObamaCare repealed and for thousands of very good reasons. They seem to understand the nightmare that it is better than you do.
            --------------------------
            2012 Fox Exit Poll (Sample: 5043 respondents)
            Nov. 9, 2012

            "What should happen to the 2010 Health Care Law?"

            Expand it: 25%

            Leave it as is: 18%

            Repeal some of it: 24%

            Repeal all of it: 25%
            ------------------------------------
            I couldn't find a current yet reliable poll, but it seems unlikely that the ranks of the "Repeal all of it" more than doubled within the past few months. I think people are sick of politics and feel impotent in their say of how the government should conduct business. Politicians seem unreachable, unresponsive, and untouchable. There are only a few people who are frenzied and all they do is blast out hate-and fear-mongering comments.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:04 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            Ah, Moose......break it into small categories then fix one at a time: 1) Health Care 2.)Defense 3)Comedy Central 4)Social Security 5)etc. Otherwise, rich Type A personalities currently running corporations are going to fix everything on the backs of little people. History is full of such 'fixes', including the examples you gave. Their Orwellian use of language didn't mask the fact that they weren't who they pretended to be. Like the current Chinese People's Communist Party 'Central Committee' with 83 Billionaires.

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 11:07 am on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2686

            Central control - as shown by the GDR, USSR, and any other communist country, "central planning and and control" is a dismal failure. Well proven through the last century. Now, the problem is, we are knee-deep in a steaming pile of Obama. Private industry kinda sorta over regulated, and kinda sorta unhappily married to gov't, and gov't doing its' very best to grab all power without the talent or means to deliver anything. sigh.... Welcome to the (rotten) banana republic of King Obama and the Demo-dummies.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:49 am on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            "HTC: As you know, centrally-managed economies have always done poorly, leading to shortages, long waiting lines, inferior quality and general misery."
            Rob123: We are already there! Have been for a couple decades. You're Upper Classiness has merely created a scenario of a Stud Horse with Blinders, being cared for well and no distractions. It all seems well, eh? Status Quo 4 U!
            -------------------------------------------------
            HTC: "Besides Medicare and Medicaid underpaying healthcare providers, the other major reason why healthcare is so expensive is because our system is a third-party payor system which effectively removes almost all free-market, provider-consumer checks and balances."
            Rob123: Do you really think cutting 20% of the Highly Regulated Economy called Health Care loose into a Laissez faire dream world that only exists in Literature and Political Thought will work? How big are your ba//s?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:52 am on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Rob123: I don't think the voting public will stand for a 'return' to the status quo, and it's strange nature after 50 years of piece meal government/corporate intrusion that was always a 'compromise' between the Hard Left and the Hard Right, concerning Health Care.

            HTC: Polls continue to show that a majority of Americans want ObamaCare repealed and for thousands of very good reasons. They seem to understand the nightmare that it is better than you do.

            By the time the regulations pouring out of the ACA have all been written, experts estimate that they will amount to over 250,000 pages. No industry so heavily regulated has EVER thrived and done well in providing a quality product at a reasonable price. This puts the healthcare industry under the same scale regulatory thumb as the airlines and we all know how well THEY'RE doing.

            Rob123: The Affordable Care Act, as written and as enforced, certainly needs clarity and fixes, no doubt about it.

            HTC: As you know, centrally-managed economies have always done poorly, leading to shortages, long waiting lines, inferior quality and general misery. The ACA is not only a regulatory nightmare and squashing of free-market forces but it is a pile of arrogance a mile hile.

            Healthcare is one-sixth of a $16T economy and you're essentially saying that central-management can be done effectively on a smaller chunk of economy and that's total B.S., pure and simple.

            Besides Medicare and Medicaid underpaying healthcare providers, the other major reason why healthcare is so expensive is because our system is a third-party payor system which effectively removes almost all free-market, provider-consumer checks and balances. There's no way THAT can be fixed.

            To fix our system, it has to be replaced with something that puts the consumer back in control of his own finances, such as the HSA programs did.

            Rob123: If one looks at Wall Street, and looks at where the Smart Money is betting, one sees positive 'long' bets on Hospitals per se (physical structures and the equipment) and Doctor-Nurse teams that run and operate in such structures (Intellectual capital). The bureaucratic HMO's that consist of Insurance guru's and professional/college educated insurance policy form readers, who try to direct patients through the system with an eye on their own corporate bottom line, are being 'shorted'.

            HTC: Anyone who's been paying attention these past 20 years realizes that there's no such thing as "smart money" on Wall Street. Those 'geniuses' never foresaw the dotcom bubble's implosion nor the 2008 financial crisis. Even Warren Buffett, the so-called "Oracle of Omaha" lost a fortune this last time around.

            Rob123: It will be an interesting decade, no doubt. And Tort Reform will be on the block soon. IMHO.

            HTC: If you call rising unemployment, shortages of healthcare services and astronomical health insurance rates "interesting", then I'd have to agree.

            Rob123: Of course, I don't subscribe to your "The Constitution is written in Stone" and this whole Obamacare is an abomination! I also don't think the founding fathers would either. In fact, I think James Madison would appreciate the scenario of Moses walking down the mountain with the Ten Commandments in his arms and stopping, looking back up the mountain towards the Burning Bush that was not consumed and saying "You do realize these commandments IMPLY free will?".

            HTC: Still don't understand what a constitution is, eh? It's a contract between the citizens and their government which tightly controls their government's behavior and boundaries. It is designed to be amended by the people, should they so desire, but you don't get to simply reinterpret it to meet your populist desires of the moment.

            And you clearly know jack$hit about the Founders. What the hell do they teach in PolySci?

            Rob123: We'll get it right. And for gosh sakes, don't worry excessively and get your self into total negativity!

            HTC: History shows that majority-driven 'solutions' in democracies rarely get it right. Didn't they teach you that in PolySci? Or is real history reinterpreted as well?

             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:54 am on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            HTC: I wouldn't bet just yet that ObamaCare isn't going to be delayed/repealed before the end of the year.
            ------------------

            I don't think the voting public will stand for a 'return' to the status quo, and it's strange nature after 50 years of piece meal government/corporate intrusion that was always a 'compromise' between the Hard Left and the Hard Right, concerning Health Care. The Affordable Care Act, as written and as enforced, certainly needs clarity and fixes, no doubt about it. If one looks at Wall Street, and looks at where the Smart Money is betting, one sees positive 'long' bets on Hospitals per se (physical structures and the equipment) and Doctor-Nurse teams that run and operate in such structures (Intellectual capital). The bureaucratic HMO's that consist of Insurance guru's and professional/college educated insurance policy form readers, who try to direct patients through the system with an eye on their own corporate bottom line, are being 'shorted'.
            It will be an interesting decade, no doubt. And Tort Reform will be on the block soon. IMHO.

            Of course, I don't subscribe to your "The Constitution is written in Stone" and this whole Obamacare is an abomination! I also don't think the founding fathers would either. In fact, I think James Madison would appreciate the scenario of Moses walking down the mountain with the Ten Commandments in his arms and stopping, looking back up the mountain towards the Burning Bush that was not consumed and saying "You do realize these commandments IMPLY free will?".

            We'll get it right. And for gosh sakes, don't worry excessively and get your self into total negativity! In the meantime, we will probably not be able to start any wars of convenience based on faulty intel and Republican POTUS scripture interpretations? Hopefully. Although the ability of vested interests in the Military-Industrial Complex to turn tyrannical midgets into world threatening Goliath's who threaten anyone who watches t.v., is pretty slick.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Pete: Just another progressive feeding his "hero syndrome" with someone else's money.

            HTC: Interesting how the failure of more households to find good work which enables them to support themselves without government assistance is 'success' in the eyes of progressives.

            A perverted lot they are.

            Pete: This is MEANT to be a disaster so that progressives can push a single-payer system as the next savior. The cure for the cure....is always the STATE.

            HTC: You are absolutely correct. ObamaCare is the legislative equivalent of a nuclear bomb which will destroy our health care system and open the door to fully government-run health care which will also be a disaster as it is everywhere it's been done.

            Yet another tactic right our of Alinksky's play book.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:50 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Rob123: It's going to happen....with or without you.

            HTC: I wouldn't bet just yet that ObamaCare isn't going to be delayed/repealed before the end of the year. A number of prominent Democrats are getting REALLY worried that ObamaCare is going to be REALLY bad when it fully kicks in next year and are now wishing they'd read the damn thing. If they allow the electorate to feel even part of its sting next year, the midterm is going to be a disaster for them and they know it.

            Furthermore the disaster which is ObamaCare will give the GOP a club to beat them with when it comes to the issue of the deficit and spending versus taxes. All the GOP will have to do is remind the folks that they told them ObamaCare would be a disaster and that it was idiot Democrats who didn't even read it that kept assuring them that the Republicans didn't know what they were talking about. The natural conclusion to be drawn from that is that the electorate would be wise to listen to the GOP on ALL fiscal matters.

            Not a message the Demcrats can afford the electorate to hear in such a convincing way.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:17 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Quotes for the day:

            "To protect our children in school, we recommend trained professionals with a gun. They recommend scissors. And they call US crazy?" - Wayne LaPierre

            "They are the party of 'shared sacrifice'. We are the party of equal opportunity." - Paul Ryan

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 6:47 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Pete: "Krugman Can't Admit He Was Wrong on Austerity: Latvia PM"

            HTC: No doubt about it - Paul Krugman is America's number one economist wh0re and shill for the Marxist left. It's a shame, too, because he started out in his career with a great deal of sound reasoning and respect for the truth. But he soon figured out that the left pays handsomely for academics who will stand up and offer lies as 'expert' opinion.

            It would be nice to believe that there's a special hell waiting for scum like him.

             
          • Pete posted at 5:10 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Colorado’s magazine-limit bill further reaching than opponents imagined

            Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/15/colorados-magazine-limit-bill-further-reaching-than-opponents-imagined/#ixzz2NeXj6DdW

            Yea...it'll never become law, eh Bronco?

             
          • Pete posted at 4:31 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Amazing that people still care what the little ewok thinks.

            "Krugman Can't Admit He Was Wrong on Austerity: Latvia PM"

            http://www.cnbc.com/id/100558455

             
          • Pete posted at 4:23 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Just another progressive feeding his "hero syndrome" with someone else's money.

            "The number of New York City residents receiving food stamps more than doubled over the past decade under Mayor Bloomberg, according to data released yesterday."

            http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/food_stamp_use_doubles_BfnGq82DfIWnpQmGu4cFaN?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Local

             
          • Pete posted at 1:37 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            "scratch the service" should be "scratch the surface"...Dam* hypocrites make me so mad I can't type right.

            I guess they'll "get it" when their "universal coverage" comes with a 10K deductible and gaps large enough to squeeze Barry's head through.

             
          • Pete posted at 1:21 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013

            You are absolutely correct. I am deeply familiar with this subject as I deal with the insurance industry, medical professionals, and business owners, on a daily basis - it is an unmitigated disaster. Your analysis (as dour as it is) doesn't even scratch the service of the mess that has been created. It would take too long to describe the problems associated with Obamacare (Just look at the size of the bill) and ultimately, (As Rob has demonstrated) the facts would make NO difference to those whose ideological bent and emotional triggers convince them this is the best way to help people. Unreal.

            BTW...When I speak about the disasterous effects, I am talking not just of industries affected (Also made up of "humans" believe it or not.) but primarily consumers, and workers who are being DEVASTATED. I'd love to take some of these so called "bleeding hearts" with me and they can talk to hard-bitten workers, single mom's, and struggling parents all with eyes full of tears and give them that snarky BS attitude..."Check your blood pressure! It's going to happen....with or without you."

            This is MEANT to be a disaster so that progressives can push a single-payer system as the next savior. The cure for the cure....is always the STATE.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 12:37 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.


            Rob123: It would appear from your article that one can keep their present insurer-plan, however it will contain more coverage starting in 2014?

            HTC: Don't throw out your back while bending over backwards to dismiss the significance of this grand scam of the American public or to paint the GOP as simply the "party of 'No'".

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~

            Besides, they said you can "keep" your current plan.............they NEVER said it would be any good after Obamascare hits the fan.............[sad]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 11:58 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            [smile] Check your blood pressure! It's going to happen....with or without you.

             
          • kohana posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Pigs Will Fly, a new Pat Condell video:

            http://dotsub.com/view/b0d1914f-e007-4076-b25d-f6860a7fc7d9

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:21 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Domino's Founder - 1; Obama - 0

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/15/us-cant-make-monaghan-offer-contraceptives-judge-says/

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:08 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Rob123: It would appear from your article that one can keep their present insurer-plan, however it will contain more coverage starting in 2014?

            HTC: Don't throw out your back while bending over backwards to dismiss the significance of this grand scam of the American public or to paint the GOP as simply the "party of 'No'".

            Folks with HSAs (VERY popular) will be losing them altogether. This means not only the end of the most affordable form of health insurance but the end of what was essentially a combined retirement and health savings account without the braindead restrictions of so-called "Flexible Spending" accounts and the contribution limits of a 401(k). They turned out to be a great way to cover oneself against major medical expenses while building a tidy nest egg.

            Democrats just HATE people having an easy way to solve their problems WITHOUT government, and particularly without expanding dependence upon government.

            When one's policy provisions are dramatically amended by government and in a way which drastically increases their cost, it is nothing but perverted spin to claim that "you still got to keep your plan", especially when you now have to drop it because you can no longer afford it.

            I know employers who've already received notice from their group insurers that their premiums will be going up 100% or more next year. Many of these are looking at simply paying the fine instead because they can't afford such a massive increase.

            But if you want to delude yourself into believing that all this is a good thing, have at it. After all, you don't insure your employees, so what the heck. Right?

             
          • bill39 posted at 7:19 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            bill39 Posts: 1051

            HTC:............ Given the sacred duty to report and keep our government honest that the press was charged with and which was protected by the First of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, they are guilty of a higher treason than the politicians who we expect to be self-serving and can only hold accountable if the press does its job.

            You are 100% correct. The lying media is in the same category as RINO's.

            HTC: I'd say that he's worked hard for that except that it's clear that he's hardly worked - EVER.

            He has admitted that himself.

            HTC: To Ryan's and the GOP's credit, at least he has a plan and the principle upon which it is based has to be part of any real, long-term solution. This is a major improvement over the ethical and intellectual vacuum which dominates the Democratic Party.

            Not only the democrat party but also RINO's. I would like one of the talk show hosts put together a LIST of RINO's. And air it repeatedly. For sorry sob's information, that list is large.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:54 am on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            HighTechCowboy posted at 5:17 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.
            "If you have a health insurance plan you like, you can keep it. We're not taking that away."? Liar-in-Chief in the White House.......
            ________________
            It would appear from your article that one can keep their present insurer-plan, however it will contain more coverage starting in 2014? It's like they (Congress) are trying to lift all coverage up to what government employees have been getting for decades? And certain Fortune 500 Companies have been offering, for decades? While small business and individuals have tried to afford a bare bones policy with a large deductible and, depending upon the individual, a strong faith in God or an attempt at nutrition and exercise? But this whole arena remains an excellent venue for negativity and the Politics of Against, which the Republicans have been meeting about of late and trying to come up with a strategy that includes a couple things they are for, along with lessons in Communications so as not to come across as giant globs of negativity.

            "On average, the health plans provided 76% of the ACA’s Essential Health Benefits. Benefits such as hospitalization, emergency care, and ambulatory services (such as visits to a primary care doctor or specialist) were covered by almost all plans in one form or another. A more detailed analysis of our results revealed that the missing 24% of Essential Health Benefits were concentrated around a few categories.

            Dental and vision care for children was the least likely of the Essential Health Benefits to be provided in base benefits for a health insurance plan. Only one out of four plans nationally had these benefits within their base coverage. Looking at these benefits at a more granular level revealed that only 8% of plans provided coverage for dental check-up services. Maternity coverage was nearly as infrequent as pediatric dental and vision coverage. Two thirds of health plans did not offer their beneficiaries prenatal, delivery, and postnatal healthcare coverage. Substance Use Disorder Coverage was frequently absent in health insurance coverage as well. Only half of plans covered inpatient and outpatient services for substance use issues (e.g. alcohol or drug addiction). Mental health coverage was slightly better with six out of ten plans covering inpatient and outpatient treatment."

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:17 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Remember when the Liar-in-Chief in the White House, referring to ObamaCare, repeatedly said that "If you have a health insurance plan you like, you can keep it. We're not taking that away."?

            Turns out that only 2% of existing plans will meet next year's ACA mandates:

            http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/march/only-2-of-individual-plans-meet-essential-health-benefit-requirements

            This is unquestionably the most crass liar and false accuser that we've had in the Whitehouse at any point in my lifetime. Now he's falsely blaming the Secret Service for unilaterally shutting down tours of the people's White House and without consulting with him first. SS denies this and insiders insist that wouldn't even be possible without his authorization.

            So the POS in the Oval Office is prepared to throw the people under the bus that go to work each day, prepared to take a bullet in order to save his sorry azz.

            Incredible!

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:26 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            Pete: "Compared to trickle-down government, Reaganomics was a frickin' deluge."

            A great criticism, below, although sometimes I wish I could hire Dr. Spencer as my personal tutor. He's a lot nicer than HTC! (-:

            "President Coolidge and the Laffer Curve"
            http://mises.org/daily/6381/President-Coolidge-and-the-Laffer-Curve

             
          • Pete posted at 2:25 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 1:35 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013

            "Works for me!"

            Me too.

             
          • Pete posted at 2:24 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Bronco posted at 10:51 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013

            "Really? And here I thought trickle-down never did trickle down. Reaganomics worked so well...for the wealthy. Just like today's GOP."

            Compared to trickle-down government, Reaganomics was a frickin' deluge. Problem is that the war on poverty has stripped folks of the skills necessary to capture the benefits of a good economy, let alone survive an economic drought. So most welfare recipients loll away their time, afraid to raise a sweat that the government ration won't replace, while Plumber Barry runs around the White House flushing toilets in the belief that that will make it rain before the well runs dry.

            And of course you cheer him on. Run Barry, Run.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 1:35 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            Pete posted at 1:06 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.
            Works for me! A few nights ago, Rand Paul was on a news show, discussing how ye olde 'Grand Bargain' just isn't going to happen for so, so many reasons, and thus a need to compartmentalize all the various 'problems' and focus on one or two and actually work it out, then move on. 1)Social Security 2)Medicare 3)Defense .......Seemed quite rational.

            HighTechCowboy posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.
            some possible solutions for the military written by military, for military......great satire.
            http://www.duffelblog.com/2013/03/army-implements-mandatory-divorce-policy-to-improve-readiness-lower-costs/

             
          • Pete posted at 1:06 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            “I’m an old-fashioned traditionalist. I believe in the historic and religious definition of marriage,” he says. “That being said, I’m not for eliminating contracts between adults. I think there are ways to make the tax code more neutral, so it doesn’t mention marriage. Then we don’t have to redefine what marriage is; we just don’t have marriage in the tax code.” -Rand Paul

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 11:00 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            The POTUS (henceforth I'll just abbreviate that to POS) is determined to take the evil course and make the sequestration cuts in a way which maximizes pain and outrage, in an obvious and sinister attempt to marginalize the GOP and convince the American people that cuts in spending cannot be had without significant impact. Now he's going after the promised education assistance which has long been a contracted benefit offered to the brave men and women who defend our country. There is no low too low for this POS:

            Senators rally to reinstate military tuition assistance after sequester cut
            Published March 14, 2013

            Senators are pushing to reinstate tuition assistance for members of the U.S. military, decrying a move by the administration to suspend the program citing the sequester.

            "The president wants Americans to feel the pain of the arbitrary across-the-board budget cuts from sequestration, but to cut off promised education assistance for our service members when there are other lower priority spending programs to draw from is an injustice," Sen. Jim Inhofe, R-Okla., top Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in a statement.

            He and Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan of North Carolina introduced an amendment Wednesday to a stopgap budget bill that would restore the program. Inhofe told Fox News he has additional Democratic support lined up, and warned that dropping the program not only hurts service members -- it could hurt the military as a whole.

            "It would hurt retention and our ability to enlist these people," he said.

            Inhofe said the tuition assistance, at least in the Army, is a major motivation for people to enlist.

            "They can work a little bit harder and be able to get a college degree, and for them to pull that out from under them ...." Inhofe said.

            He acknowledged the administration needs to make cuts to comply with the sequester -- the across-the-board cuts that took effect March 1 -- but suggested the Defense Department shave back its "green agenda" to find the money.

            Hagan, in a statement, also said she understands the Pentagon has some "tough budget decisions" to make, but called the decision to suspend tuition assistance "shortsighted."

            So far, the Army, Marines and Air Force have pulled back on the program for this fiscal year.

            The Army program gives soldiers as much as $4,500 annually to take courses, at accredited schools, toward high school and college diplomas. Army officials could not give a specific amount on how much the cuts would save, but said 201,000 soldiers used the program in fiscal 2012 at the cost of $373 million.

            Administration officials have been challenged on a host of sequester-related cuts, from a decision to release low-priority illegal immigrants from southwest jails to a decision to suspend White House tours.

            President Obama indicated Wednesday that he was reconsidering the tour decision, and trying to find a way to let in student groups. Generally, administration officials maintain they're doing the best they can in trying circumstances, noting that even though the cuts amount to roughly 2 percent of the federal budget, they're applying to only a portion of that budget -- and must be squeezed into the remaining seven months of the fiscal year, making the impact more pronounced.

            Meanwhile, a petition on the White House website to reinstate military tuition assistance has recently surpassed 100,000 signatures, which typically triggers an official response from the White House.

            "Access to Higher Education is important to Service Members as it allows for career and professional advancement," the petition says

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/14/senators-rally-to-reinstate-military-tuition-assistance-after-sequester-cut/#ixzz2NXAphEKS

             
          • kohana posted at 10:23 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Rob123 posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013
            "I was thinking more along the lines of the psychology of hate,..."


            Extreme Islamist Group Denies "Hate Preaching"

            by Samuel Westrop
            March 14, 2013 at 4:00 am

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3620/islamist-group-hate-preaching

            If this is not enough to constitute "hate preaching," what is?

            The Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA) has threatened the Gatestone Institute with legal action over an article detailing its speakers' expressed support for terror and hatred towards Jews, homosexuals and women. The iERA claims it is neither "pro-terror," nor are their speakers "hate preachers."

            A letter from Saleem Chagtai, Head of Media at the iERA, reads:

            I am writing to you after coming across the following article posted on your website by Samuel Westrop:

            http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3481/britain-nhs-ramadan-tv

            In this article are some outrageous allegations made against the Islamic Education & Research Academy (iERA) such as labeling us as "pro-terror" and calling some of our staff members "hate preachers."

            We condemn terrorist acts and have actively spoken against them. Our work is about dialogue with the wider community and that is very clear from the activities we conduct. We do not advocate "hate" as this goes against the very nature of our work which is "dawah" or inviting people to Islam.

            The letter goes on to claim that comments about one iERA speaker, Abdurraheem Green, has been taken out of context.

            Unfortunately, this denial flies in the face of the evidence.

            He recommends that death is a "suitable" punishment for adultery and homosexuality:

            "Such crimes thus need suitable and effective punishments that act as a sever [sic] warning to others. A public crime deserves a public punishment. Adultery is punishable by death, and a slow and painful death by stoning. All of this also goes some way to help understand way acts of homosexuality are similarly treated so harshly."

            According to Green, beating women, in order to "bring them to goodness," is permissible:

            The husband is allowed, to prevent her from evil, to apply some type of physical force … It is not allowed to break the skin, does not allow to break a bone or even leave a mark on the skin. A beating that is that severe is forbidden and this is a type of assault, and is haram, and a crime in Islam to treat your wife like that. But a type of physical reprimand in order to bring her to goodness is allowed.

            Green is particularly disparaging about non-Muslims, describing them as "evil" and their schools as "sewers":

            "If we leave (Muslims) in these (non-Muslim Australian) schools they will be destroyed … You know very well what takes place in these schools ... it is all about evolution, Christmas, Easter, St Valentine's Day - a barrage. And you expect your children to survive? You think you live in a sewer and you come up smelling of roses? … Merely living in the company of evil people will inevitably begin to rub off on us and we will begin to acquire their characteristics."

            He condemns criticism of the Taliban:

            "Supporting the disbelievers against the Muslims is in fact kufr, it is disbelief. This is something that has been clearly stated by Allah in the Quran, that to aid the unbelievers against the believers is an act of kufr, of disbelief.

            "Brothers and sisters you can support the kuffar [disbeliever, infidel] against the Muslims even by a word...For example, slandering and attacking the Muslims unjustly, such as you find many Muslims have done this about the Taliban. Slandering them and attacking them and reviling them based upon news that has come from the disbelieving media, helping the kuffar against the Muslims."

            Green does not attempt to hide his distaste for Jews. In one video, Green has said, "Why don't you take the Yahudi [Jew] over there, far away, so his stench doesn't disturb us, okay?"

            Green also claims that Turkish leader Ataturk was "an extremely, thoroughly unpleasant, nasty kafir [unbeliever of Islam]. He was a Jew, he was a Jew. And not only was he a Jew, he belonged to a sect of the Jews that even the Jews think are far astray."

            In 2005, Green gave a speech at University College London, uncovered by the Daily Telegraph, in which he said that a "permanent state of war exists between the people of Islam and the people who opposed Islam." Referring to Bin Laden, he added, "His rational [sic] is … we are going to keep on killing your women and children until you stop killing our women and children. How do you argue with that?" Citing the Irish Republican Army, he added: "The other thing is that it seems that terrorism works. We certainly have precedent." Green initially objected to the Telegraph's report but later withdrew his complaint.

            Other iERA speakers include Bilal Philips, described by the US an "unindicted co-conspirator" in the 1993 al-Qaeda attack on the World Trade Center; Zakir Naik, banned from the UK for saying that "every Muslim should be a terrorist;" and Shady Sulieman, who has said that for those who commit adultery, "their punishment is stoning to death."

            Green has hinted a few times that these views are no longer his. The continued presence of other unrepentant pro-terror speakers in the iERA, however, indicates that this is not true. In 2009, Green told the BBC, "I surely have said some pretty radical things and maybe even written some radical things in the past. But one thing I have been very consistent on is terrorism, participating in terrorist activities, violent revolution – is not something that I have ever thought was part of the religion of Islam."

            Since then, Green has failed to put his words into action.

            Several months after speaking to the BBC, he invited two supporters of terrorism -- and fellow iERA speakers -- Bilal Philips and Hussein Ye, on a speaking tour. He has called on his website for the release of Ali al Timimi, whom he describes as "a treasure of this ummah [nation of Islam], but a treasure purposely buried by the opposer's [sic] of divine guidance." Timimi has been convicted of terrorism offenses in the United States and sentenced to life in prison. Green has also testified in defence of Yassin Nassari, another Islamist convicted of terrorism offenses.

            The iERA's letter states that "labeling us as 'pro-terror' and calling some of our staff members 'hate preachers'" is "outrageous."

            Three of the iERA's "advisors" have been banned from entering the UK, because of their extremist statements and support for terror. It is noteworthy, however, that the iERA does not consider stoning women and homosexuals to death extremism. But if this is not enough to constitute hate preaching, what is?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:44 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Can poor people be trusted with guns?
            By John Lott
            Published March 12, 2013

            Can poor people be trusted with guns? Overwhelmingly, Republicans thinks so. But while Democrats fight against taxes on the poor and oppose voter photo IDs because they impose too much of burden, they seem to be doing everything possible – from fees, expensive training requirements, and photo IDs -- to make it next to impossible for the poor to own guns.

            Indeed, legislation in at least 17 states around the country is aimed specifically at making it more costly to own a gun. Democrats are voting in mass against exempting the poor from fees when it comes to guns. New Yorkers aren't alone facing everything from registration fees to buying liability insurance.

            That's too bad, because many law-abiding citizens, particularly minorities in crime-ridden neighborhoods really do need a gun for self-defense. There is little doubt that the people who are most likely to be victims of violent crime – again, overwhelmingly poor blacks in urban areas -- are also the ones who benefit the most from owning guns. Research, including my own, has demonstrated this.

            While police are the single most important factor in reducing crime, the police themselves recognize that they almost always arrive at the crime scene after the crime has been committed. But criminals are deterred by the possibility that victims have guns. And if indeed a criminal does strike, threatening to shoot is the safest course of action, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics’ National Crime Victimization Survey

            But Democrats seem to think that waiting for police to arrive from a 911 call is good enough for the poor.

            Next week Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) will introduce legislation that will ban the production of inexpensive guns in the United States. While it is true that some criminals use these guns, these smaller, lighter handguns are also ideal for self-defense. And of course they are particularly helpful for poor would-be victims who can't afford more expensive guns.

            Just a few weeks ago, the Obama administration made the extremely unusual move of lobbying state House members in Colorado for a bill that would charge people a fee when they purchase a gun. Democrats voted down Republican amendments that would have exempted poor people from paying the fee and capped the fee at a maximum of $25.

            In Maryland, Democrats have also refused to exempt poor people from fees for their new gun licensing proposal. The $25 fee is the least of costs facing poor people. Getting a license will require 16 hours of training is something that could easily cost over $300. Do Democrats seriously think that poor people are going to be able to afford these training costs?

            The bill passed this week by the Maryland state Senate appears to allow only one office in the state for filing for the license -- the current state police headquarters in Pikesville, Maryland. Kempton, Maryland in the western part of the state is a 4 hour drive away from Pikesville. Crisfield, Maryland in the east is over 3 hours away. Do Democrats seriously think that poor people are going to be able to afford this travel?

            If you want to see the impact of these fees and training requirements on the ability of the poor to defend themselves, people need to look no farther than Washington, D.C. and Chicago, where only two and three thousand people, respectively, have gone through the licensing process.

            Despite major Supreme Court victories that technically allow people to own handguns, it is something clearly beyond the reach of poorer citizens. For Chicago, there is a $100 city license fee plus another $15 per gun. Illinois adds another state license, though that only costs another $10. Then there is the five hour training classes that frequently cost around $150.

            While gun ownership nationally varies very little with income, there is a huge difference in Chicago: zip codes with a median family income of $120,000 have twice the handgun ownership rate as those with a median family income of $60,000 and those families are in turn twice as likely as those at $30,000.

            The impact of fees and training is no different with concealed handgun permits. Texas has four times Indiana’s population, yet it has issued only slightly more permits, 584,000 versus 450,000. The difference is not because Texans like guns less. It is simply that Texans have a more difficult time getting permits. The fee for getting a 5-year permit in Texas is $140, but only $65 in Indiana. Similarly, Texas requires 10 hours of training and Indiana doesn't require any.

            Massachusetts shows the possible fate of increasing the costs of gun ownership. Since its licensing law went into effect in 1998, the number of registered gun owners in the state has plummeted from 1.5 million to just over 200,000 today. Meanwhile Massachusetts’ murder rate soared from 70% of the average rate for its neighbors to 130 percent.

            Democrats want poor minorities votes, they just don’t want them to be able to defend themselves. Apparently, Democrats believe that the right to self-defense is something that only belongs to the wealthy.

            John R. Lott, Jr. is a FoxNews.com contributor. An economist and former chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission, he is also a leading expert on guns. He is the author of several books, including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "At the Brink: Will Obama Push Us Over the Edge? (Regnery Publishing 2013)." Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 9:39 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Read Henninger article in 14mar13 WSJ, then read this paper upon which it is based.

            Abstract
            This paper studies whether fiscal corrections cause large output losses. We find that it matters crucially how the fiscal correction occurs. Adjustments based upon spending cuts are much less costly in terms of output losses than tax-based ones. Spending-based adjustments have been associated with mild and short-lived recessions, in many cases with no recession at all. Tax-based adjustments have been associated with prolonged and deep recessions. The difference cannot be explained by different monetary policies during the two types of adjustments. Studying the effects of multi-year fiscal plans rather than individual shifts in fiscal variables we make progress on question of anticipated versus unanticipated policy shifts: we find that the correlation between unanticipated and anticipated shifts in taxes and spending is heterogenous across countries, suggesting that the degree of persistence of fiscal corrections varies..Estimating the effects of fiscal lans, rather than individual fiscal shocks, we obtain much more precise estimates of tax and spending multipliers.

            ftp://ftp.igier.unibocconi.it/wp/2012/450.pdf

            I believe it lays to rest the argument that Keynesian Economics is or has ever been successful through its so called spending and taxing miracle of the 'multiplier effect' rather than the policies based upon "Reagan" spending cuts. The paper is the work of Alesina, a Harvard professor and colleagues, who have spent the last decade studying how struggling economies revive and they clearly suggest that the Obama tax and spend policies are the opposite of what the U.S. should be doing.

            We all knew that, didn't we? How could you not if you have raised a family, had your own business, etc.
            Also, would not all of Europe be richer than the U.S. if Keynesian Economics with its miracle theory worked over the past 80 years. Also, it helps explain the failure of such economics during our great depression that lasted for a generation or more. Actually, the effects of it are still felt among many of us. I guess those that believed in Keynesian Economics thought that Easter is an everyday affair (miracle). RLS

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            kohana posted at 9:15 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            I was thinking more along the lines of the psychology of hate, not anything remotely close to 'Faith in a Sky God-Prophet'.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:34 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Feds offering high-paid internships despite sequester
            By Barnini Chakraborty
            Published March 14, 2013

            Remember the days when an internship involved working strange hours, fetching coffee and making copies -- for free, or maybe minimum wage?

            Those days are over, if you’re lucky enough to snag one with the federal government.

            Despite this new season of sequestration, a host of federal agencies continue to offer high-paying internships, often requiring applicants have little more than a mediocre GPA and a year of college under their belt.

            A cursory search Wednesday on the USA Jobs federal employment website showed 84 open internships and student programs posted in the last 10 days.

            The U.S. Department of Agriculture, even as it warns it will have to furlough meat and poultry inspectors later this year, has recently posted 12 openings. One opening for a student trainee at the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service in Iowa offers up to $24.16 an hour.

            One NASA internship advertised on the site pays up to a whopping $83,126.

            “It doesn’t surprise me but it does strike me as odd,” Tad DeHaven, a budget analyst with the Cato Institute, told FoxNews.com.

            The internship postings, along with postings for thousands of other government jobs, continue to go up despite warnings from federal agencies about the Draconian cuts they will have to make to comply with the sequester. On Wednesday night, NASA Administrator Charles Bolden issued a warning to employees about the effects on the agency. He also rolled out a number of new cost-cutting guidelines. Scaling back internships wasn’t one of them.

            According to the job posting on USAJobs.gov, the NASA internship at the Dryden Flight Research Center in California is open to a wide-ranging group of students “seeking a degree from an accredited college or university with major study in engineering, physical sciences, mathematics, life sciences, computer science or other field of science."

            NASA’s internship is part of the government’s Pathways Student Program which was created “to provide the intern with exposure to public service, enhance educational experience and provide financial support to encourage and support educational goals.”

            Applicants must have at least a 2.9 grade point average – a solid B grade -- be at least 16 years old and enrolled in an accredited college or university on at least a half-time basis. They must also have at least a year of academic study remaining toward getting their degree. Under the Pathways Student Program, the agency that offers the internship has 120 calendar days after the participant graduates college to “non-competitively promote and convert an intern to a career/career-conditional or term appointment.”

            But the marriage of intern-turned-employee post college graduation isn’t a done deal. “The conversion is not guaranteed and is based on the need of the agency,” according to the posting.

            NASA isn’t the only department offering up pricey internships.

            The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, which is under the Department of Commerce, has posted an internship at the National Weather Service with a salary range of $31,315-$62,678.

            The Department of Health and Human Services is shelling out more than $61,000 for a “student extern.”

            Several federal agencies that posted these internships did not return requests for comment from FoxNews.com.

            Natalie Parris, a former teacher in Richmond, Va., who recently lost her job due to state government budget cuts, called the federal offerings unreasonable.

            “I am out of work, out of money and am tired,” Parris told FoxNews.com. “Come on already. No college student needs an $85,000 (internship).”

            On a broader scale, there were more than 2,700 federal jobs posted in the past 10 days across a variety of agencies. This includes 327 jobs at the Department of Agriculture, 149 in the Department of Health and Human Services and 140 at the Department of the Interior. NASA has 23 openings.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/13/feds-offering-high-paid-internships-despite-sequester/#ixzz2NWq7UGi4

             
          • kohana posted at 9:15 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 8:37 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013
            Kay: If you become like 'them', they win!

            Are you suggesting I have become a practicing Muslim or behave like one? I do not know of a single person I hate, I do hate the theocracy of Islam. I am discussed by people who recognize evil and do nothing to try and prevent it. Being raised a Catholic you should at least recognize it for what it is, and to not promote it.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:06 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Islamic Peace Conference Features Imam Who Called for “Termination” of the Jews

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On March 13, 2013

            Peace just has a different meaning in Islam. In other cultures, peace means peace. In Islam, peace means killing and enslaving everyone until only your people are left.

            The three-day Australian Islamic Peace Conference is billed as the “largest, the biggest and the best-ever Islamic event in the history of Australia” and will kick off this weekend in Melbourne.

            Conference organizers, the Islamic Research and Educational Academy, have come under fire for inviting Saudi cleric Abdul Rahman al-Sudais.

            Al-Sudais has in the past reportedly called for violent jihad and for the annihilation of Jews.

            Senator Bernardi says other speakers who have been invited to the conference are noted for their support of Osama bin Laden.

            What isn’t peaceful about that? For the specifics of what Imam Abdul Rahman al-Sudais said, let’s take a walk back down memory lane.

            A top Saudi Arabian Muslim cleric prayed to God on Friday to “terminate” the Jews and urged Arabs and Muslims to abandon efforts to make peace with Israel.

            He prayed to God to “terminate” the Jews, whom he described as “the scum of humanity… the rats of the world… prophet killers… pigs and monkeys”.

            Yes but surely there’s a moderate side to the Imam?

            Read the history to know that yesterday’s Jews are evil predecessors and today’s Jews are worse successors. They an ingrate people, they altered God’s words, worshiped calf, killed Messengers and denied their Messages. They are exiled people and the worst of mankind. Allaah cursed them and cast His wrath upon them. He turned some of them to monkeys and pigs and worshipers of creatures. They are worst in position and are astray from the right path.

            History of Jews is full of deception, trickery, rebellion, oppression, evil and corruption.

            Okay so Imam Abdul Rahman al-Sudais really hates Jews. But is there anyone that he does like?

            Al-Sudais, who has close ties to the Saudi elite, has also insulted Christians and Hindus, referring disparagingly to Christians as “cross-worshippers” and Hindus as “idol worshippers”.

            So nobody except other Muslims.

            Saudi clerics, including Al Sudais, face international criticism for inciting passions against the Barelvis, Shias, other Muslim minorities and non-Muslims.

            Okay so Al Sudais is limited to just other Sunni Muslims. Too bad Australia is mostly non-Muslim. But enough Muslim immigration will make it properly peaceful.

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • kohana posted at 9:01 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            March 14, 2013

            Does Islamophobia exist? Not according to this Muslim Writer

            John-Pierre Maeli

            You've all heard of the term Islamophobia: the supposed fear and hatred of Islam and Muslims. Chances are if you've spoken out against Muslim crimes you've been called an "Islamophob" at one point or another. Or maybe you were discussing how Jihad and the oppression of women are inherent in the Quran. Someone didn't like what you had to say, but couldn't come up with a logical argument against it so they just called you names.

            What if Islamophibia wasn't real? What if it was just created by a bunch of Islamic centers to silence critics? That's exactly what one Muslim writer is arguing on The Huffington Post.

            There are hundreds of Islamic organizations in North America and each one wants to take ownership of it. Is it all about ownership? It shouldn't be. Is it all about portraying a better image of Muslims? I doubt it. Is it all about challenging the self-created fear of Islamophobia? Perhaps.

            What do I mean by "self-created fear of Islamophobia"? Do I dare to say that Islamophobia actually doesn't exist at all? Yep, it didn't exist but some of our Islamic centres created the term and spread it around through their actions.

            For some of you, the idea that Islamophobia doesn't exist might not come as a surprise. However, the fact that it was acknowledged to be true by a Muslim on The Huffington Post is worth noting.

            Ever since the term Islamophobia was coined, the Left and many Muslim figures have been trying to paint the Muslim community as victims. Victims of bigotry. Victims of hatred; and victims of ignorance. This particular Muslim rebukes the victim status the Muslim community has had to wear. He argues that, "as Muslims we should identify ourselves with the culture and land we associate with... [and] live a normal life instead of preaching the addiction of victimhood."

            Many of his reasons for Muslims to integrate are skewed and downright wrong; for example, his claim that Jihad, segregation and oppression of women are not endorsed in "original version and modern interpretations of Islam" has been proved false over and over again. Furthermore, he does fail to realize that Islamophobia is a propaganda term used for the benefit of Islamic organizations fighting for control of not only the US government, but society as well.

            With the realization that Islamophobia doesn't exist it leaves many of those organizations with one less weapon with which to attack us with. No longer are Muslims the victims and Westerners the guilty party. You no longer have to deal with the cries of "Islamophobia" and "hatred" because those claims don't exist. Not everyone will accept it at first. Many Islamic figures and organizations will still hold on to it like a drowning sailor clings to a piece of wood, but it'll be an empty insult. As long as you stand in the truth, you have nothing to fear.

            John-Pierre Maeli writes weekly on his blog, The Political Informer.
            http://www.americanthinker.com/printpage/?url=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/03/does_islamophobia_exist_not_according_to_this_muslim_writer.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:00 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Rob123: Islam has sects just like Judaism has sects just like Christianity has sects just like Hinduism has sects just like Buddhism has sects.......What's your point in said posts?

            HTC: And how many Judaic sects, Christian sects, Hindu sects and Buddhist sects have been actively trying to kill you?

            Rob123: As an ex-Catholic who still pays attention to such things, it will be interesting to see how he leads 1.2 billion professed Catholics, with an attendance record of around 10% at Church.

            HTC: Though raised Catholic and educated in parochial schools, I couldn't care less. I actually abandoned Catholicism as a teenager, but never told my parents until I headed off to college. That's when I also proudly told them that I wasn't a Democrat either.

            Began questioning Catholicism as an altar boy, after being groped by a priest as I was restocking the altar wine. Beaned him good over the head with one of the wine bottles. Then I began reading the Bible on my own, something that was strongly discouraged by the clergy. When I realized how much Catholic theology wasn't to be found anywhere in the Bible, coupled with the wealth and opulesce of the Church which ran contrary to Christ's teachings, I happily left the church and never looked back.

            I don't mean to offend those who still regard themselves as Catholics, but that's my life experience and I'm standing by it.

            Rob123: Maybe some lectures on Income Equality to the Opus Dei fat-cats, after washing their feet? That would be interesting.

            HTC: Of course "Income Equality" always equals nearly universal poverty, except for the elites who lead the way to that false utopia. Perhaps you'd like to experience it sometime? You could move to Cuba and try it on for size....

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:41 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/03/the_genius_of_dogs_brian_hare_on_friendliness

            The wolves that were social enough to approach human settlements and eat our ancestors' scraps evolved into man's best friend. Evolutionary anthropologist Brian Hare tells Tiffany O'Callaghan what dogs reveal about our own evolution. Hare runs Duke University's Canine Cognition Center. He is co-author with Vanessa Woods of The Genius of Dogs. They recently launched the website dognition.com.
            Tiffany O’Callaghan: You set out to study human evolution. How did you end up studying dogs?
            Brian Hare: One thing that equipped humans to acquire language was our ability to read gestures. My undergraduate adviser at Emory University, Mike Tomasello, was exploring the hypothesis that this might be unique to our species. He was telling me that our closest relatives, the chimpanzees and bonobos, are not good at reading gestures the same way that we are in a cooperative context. I said, "Wait a second, I think my dog can pass the same test the apes are failing." That's how it got started.
            TO: How can dogs teach us more about ourselves?
            BH: The dog is the only species we've found that has some of the communicative skills that look like what infants need to acquire language and culture. So what in the world are they doing in dogs? And what evolutionary process allowed that to happen? If we can figure out how it happened in dogs, it helps us figure out how our own species evolved.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:37 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Kay: If you become like 'them', they win!

            http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/03/the_genius_of_dogs_brian_hare_on_friendliness_intelligence_and_inference.html
            "Survival of the Friendliest"

             
          • kohana posted at 8:19 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            Rob, what is the core value of Christianity? That Jesus is the begotten son of god and the savior of your soul, only if you believe in him, otherwise your soul will burn in hell for eternity. It also has a code of conduct as a secondary core.

            What is the core value of Judaism? Its a code of conduct of righteousness, obeying the law as given by god at Mt. Sinai. No hell and an afterlife may or may not be so.

            What is the core value of Islam? To believe that Mohammed is the perfect man, the only prophet of allah, the moon god, and to convert the entire world to Islam by any means necessary. If conversion cannot be done then slaughter or enslave.

            My point in said posts it to enlighten you and others to the evilness of Islam. There is no other religion that teaches butchery, enslavement, rape, and hatred of all other religions, is holy in the worship of their gods. As in other religions, some Muslims choose not to act out the core teachings. That does not make them moderates, only non compliant. If an Imam ordered a Muslim to commit such an act, and he/she refused they could lose their head as apostasy comes with a death sentence. NO OTHER RELIGION kills a person for leaving the fold.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 3:16 am on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013
            kohana posted at 10:42 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Islam has sects just like Judaism has sects just like Christianity has sects just like Hinduism has sects just like Buddhism has sects.......What's your point in said posts?

            The new Pope is an interesting mix. As an ex-Catholic who still pays attention to such things, it will be interesting to see how he leads 1.2 billion professed Catholics, with an attendance record of around 10% at Church. And his silence during the brutal 1970's Right Wing dictatorship-slaughter-in Argentina? And his traditionalist acceptance of Catholic Dogma concerning sex and sexual behavior, along with the notion that our bodies are really just little vehicles to hold our Souls for awhile (Egyptian Pharaohs would understand totally!), while personally living a very simple lifestyle, almost a modified Liberation Theology Populist 1960's Jesuit? The very urbane Machiavellian Cardinals in Rome proper, with their bank scandals and sexual scandals, will be a challenge, I am sure.

            It will take more than the humility of washing feet to get this Catholic ship floating again, although that is a good start. It's a great way to get someone's attention! As he did with Aids patients in Argentina. Maybe some lectures on Income Equality to the Opus Dei fat-cats, after washing their feet? That would be interesting.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:49 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            San Francisco won’t tolerate Islamophobic bigotry, however, they allow anti-Semitism bigotry. Made up word, “Islamophobic.” Hatred of Islam not of the people. However, it’s okay to teach in their houses of worship if they die killing Jews, they go straight to heaven and get 72 virgins, oh, sorry, I meant raisins.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:42 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013

            Yep, quoting the words from the Koran and what the Islam Clerics preach every Friday night.

            “Killing Jews is worship that draws us closer to Allah,”

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:55 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            New ad on San Francisco Muni buses:

            "Killing Jews is Worship...."

            http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/03/11/killing-jews-is-worship-ad-campaign-rolled-out-on-sf-buses/

             
          • kohana posted at 6:14 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 5:20 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013
            If true, pretty sad. Vouchers are being given for homeschoolers? Wow!

            http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9798498-america

            A Beka seriously is the best ever for homeschoolers.... Did you know kids that use all ABeka test a grade and a half above average?

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          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:31 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Bronco: "The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."---Frederick Douglass

            HTC: The limits of tyrants are just as much defined by the ignorance of those they oppress as by the people's 'endurance.' Mexico is an excellent example of this, as is post 2012 election U.S.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:21 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Bronco: Really? And here I thought trickle-down never did trickle down. Reaganomics worked so well...for the wealthy. Just like today's GOP.

            HTC: Discussing economics with you is like discussing nuclear physics with Homer Simpson.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 5:20 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Bronco: Hey HTC, is this close enough to Texas to count?

            HTC: Apparently your eyes are as undiscerning as your intellect. How did fail to notice that the 'textbook' page involved a poor job of photoshopping and that they didn't name the textbook and publisher?

             
          • Rebel Rouser posted at 3:31 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1563

            "HTC: Got room for a fourth?"

            Be very careful rob, I sense a trap!

             
          • kohana posted at 3:11 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            For all you techies out there.

            http://vimeo.com/61275290

             
          • kohana posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 10:53 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013

            That's me when my 20 year-old grandson takes the wheel of my T-Bird with me in the passenger seat! I swear he is so "done" with my car! Never again!

             
          • kohana posted at 12:49 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Heck, I didn't know that! I'll read up on it.

            It was just what they called the races at our local track that allowed females to drive, in that one race. We weren't allowed to race in the Demolition Derby either.

             
          • Bronco posted at 12:33 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            kohana, I remember powder puff derbies!

            The Powder Puff Derby was the name given to an annual transcontinental air race for women pilots inaugurated in 1947. For the next two years it was named the "Jacqueline Cochran All-Woman Transcontinental Air Race" (AWTAR). It was dubbed the "Powder Puff Derby" in reference to the 1929 Women's Air Derby by humorist and aviation advocate Will Rogers.
            In 1977, rising costs, insurance premiums, and diminished corporate sponsorship saw the competition come to an end after thirty years. After the commemorative final flight, the Air Race Classic continued the tradition for women pilots.
            Read about the original race in: Powder Puff Derby of 1929: The True Story of the First Women's Cross-Country Air Race Gene Nora Jessen, 2002

             
          • kohana posted at 12:22 pm on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Hey Bronco! For a skilled driver, racing is no biggie. There was a time before I became three quarters of a century old, I raced in "powder puff" derbies. My license plate holder for years stated, "Little Old Lady From Pasadena."

            Now it says, "Not Going Fast, Saving Gas." Decided it was an insult to my T-Bird and took it off.

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:35 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Power vs. liberty: A lovers’ quarrel

            "Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till these are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress."---Frederick Douglass

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:26 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            laker1, it must be the Fear Effect.

             
          • kohana posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            HTC: Thank you.

             
          • laker1 posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            laker1 Posts: 110

            Bronco:
            Nice deke. You shoot, you score. [thumbup]

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.
            Bronco posted at 11:36 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013
            “We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” ― Plato
            “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” ― Benjamin Franklin

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:53 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Rob, you DID tell them you used to race cars for a living? Demolition Derby counts, right?

            http://twentytwowords.com/2013/03/13/pro-driver-jeff-gordon-takes-unsuspecting-car-salesman-on-a-crazy-test-drive/

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:51 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            HighTechCowboy posted at 9:52 am:
            To Ryan's and the GOP's credit, at least he has a plan and the principle upon which it is based has to be part of any real, long-term solution. This is a major improvement over the ethical and intellectual vacuum which dominates the Democratic Party.
            -----------
            Really? And here I thought trickle-down never did trickle down. Reaganomics worked so well...for the wealthy. Just like today's GOP.

             
          • Bronco posted at 10:46 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Hey HTC, is this close enough to Texas to count?

            http://americablog.com/2013/03/voucher-school-us-history-book-hippies-didnt-bathe-worshipped-satan.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 10:21 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Since I've mentioned our historical growth in GDP (3.23%), I'd like to briefly touch upon its relationship to the equity markets and pension plans.

            Most pension plans, even to this day, assume an average rate of return of 8% per annum on the plan's investments. For this to be sustainable, the economy has to be growing at roughly the same rate (unless you're a major exporting economy running huge trade surpluses, which we're not.)

            The rational, intelligent person can quickly see a MAJOR problem here: the typical pension plan is relying upon ROIs that are nearly three times actual economic growth!

            When one adds to the picture the fact that many public pension plans offer as much as 50% more in benefits than their private sector equivalents, you can easily see that, in lieu of massive reductions to pension benefits, the taxpayer will be gouged with new taxes in order to support these public 'servants.' Yet, that is all that the Democrats will consider because of their incestual relationship with the public employee unions.

            Those who are pinning their retirement hopes on a big surge in the markets are deluding themselves. Its Ponzi-style run has come to an end, leaving us with the hard reality that, after adjusting for inflation, the market has produced a mere 7% return on investment over the past 50 years. That's not 7% per annum, that's 7% TOTAL. If you had $100,000 invested fifty years ago, after inflation, it's only worth $107,000 today.

            What inflation hasn't eroded, Wall Street has sucked down in trading and 'management' fees; in fact, while all money managers seek to outperform the markets, the vast majority rarely do and, long term, NONE do when compared to the indices they trade against.

            In other words, if you'd put your money into a low-fee, 'unmanaged' S&P 500 (SPDR) fund, you'd have done better long term than the professional money-managers' managed funds.

            Basically, America is hosed. We've been living in a delusional world for many decades now and the chickens are finally coming home to roost.

            Wake up, America! If there's any time left to mitigate some of the coming pain, it's not much.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:52 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            kohana: RLS and HTC, your responses and thoughts would be appreciated.

            HTC: Ryan's proposal represents a major step in the right direction but contains one fundamental flaw: It relies on the economy growing faster than 3.4%. From 1947 to 2012, we've averaged 3.23% growth and that time period includes several periods of intense economic expansion/bubbles that we're aren't like to see again, given the many structural problems that now exist in our economy and the fact that tax consumers now outnumber tax producers and government spending is now 51% of the economy.

            Sharply containing the growth of government spending has to be a cornerstone in any plan to balance the budget and get our spending under control, but it simply isn't going to be possible to grow our way out of our problem with the kind of sustained economic expansion upon which Ryan's plan depends.

            Even if we could beat the historical record and achieve a sustained growth rate twice that which he assumes, the nanny state's $200T in unfunded liabilities would have us still bleeding red ink at a much faster rate.

            To Ryan's and the GOP's credit, at least he has a plan and the principle upon which it is based has to be part of any real, long-term solution. This is a major improvement over the ethical and intellectual vacuum which dominates the Democratic Party.

            Unfortunately, only real cuts (vs. caps on spending increases) have any hope of preventing our otherwise inevitable rendezvous with bankruptcy and economic depression. While it's easy to paint the Democrats as exclusively the bad guys here, most within the GOP won't support such cuts either.

            Why? Because the electorate would crucify them if they did enact them. Even most Tea Party types I've talked with, in spite of their rhetoric about smaller government, ending the nanny state and balancing budgets, will eventually tell you that Social Security and Medicare must be preserved, even though they're the primary source of our red ink.

            Our nation can survive an Obama or two but not an electorate stupid enough to elect him and in denial about basic economic facts.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:50 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            A beginning of common sense?

            VA Refuses to Allow Cuomo’s Gun Control to Endanger Veterans’ Health

            Posted By Daniel Greenfield On March 13, 2013 @ 9:53 am In The Point

            This week has seen two setbacks for New York liberal fascists. Mayor Bloomberg lost his soda ban and Governor Cuomo was told that medical privacy laws and providing health care for vets takes precedence over his gun control scheme.

            The federal Department of Veterans Affairs says its mental health professionals won’t comply with a new gun law in New York that requires them to report the names of patients they believe likely to hurt themselves or others.

            VA spokesman Mark Ballesteros says federal laws protecting veterans’ treatment records take precedence.

            Several veterans and their advocates say it would deter many from seeking counseling and medications to deal with post-traumatic stress disorder or other psychological issues. Veterans fear their rights would be taken away.

            Mark Ballesteros, spokesperson for the Department of Veterans Affairs, said in an email statement that “federal laws safeguarding the confidentiality of veterans’ treatment records do not authorize VA mental health professionals to comply with this NY State law.”

            Cuomo was a driving force behind the SAFE Act, which was introduced and passed by the Legislature without public debate in the wake of the massacre at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school. When he signed it in January, the governor said that the law’s mental health reporting requirement was “common sense.”

            For veterans and active-duty military members, who already face serious cultural obstacles to receiving care and suffer higher rates of suicide, especially with firearms, than the general population, these concerns are all the more acute.

            “There is a chilling effect on people getting care, and we’re particularly concerned about veterans,” said John Richter director of public policy at the state Mental Health Association. “We have a hard enough time getting veterans in for PTSD. Veterans are a prime example of someone who would have a disincentive to go.”

            A 2011 report by the RAND Corporation on New York veterans’ needs, commissioned by the state Health Foundation, found that more than one in five veterans returned with post-traumatic stress disorder or major depression — rates two to four times higher than the general population for major depression, and eight times higher for PTSD.

            Yet only a third of surveyed veterans with a mental health need sought care, often driven away by fears about the confidentiality of their treatment and the possibility of losing respect from colleagues and supervisors. RAND concluded that barriers to treatment — and the view that seeking mental health care was undesirable — needed to be moved aside to improve services and enrollment.

            Some providers fear these forces keeping veterans away from care will now be exacerbated by the SAFE Act.

            “In my experience, a lot of veterans that I’ve worked with have some kind of a weapon on them, just in terms of self-protection,” said Connie Przepasniak, a licensed mental health counselor in Buffalo and member of the board of directors of the Western New York Veterans Housing Coalition and the Veterans One-Stop Center of Western New York. In the past, she worked as a counselor for the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. “And I think it’s going to prevent them from seeking mental health treatment.”

            But once the law goes into effect, care providers who encounter suicidal or otherwise dangerous patients will have no choice but to report.

            Mental Health Association chapters across the state, as well as National Association of Social Workers New York State, the New York State Psychiatric Association and the New York Association of Psychiatric Rehabilitative Services, Inc. have expressed concerns about the bill’s possible effects on New Yorkers with mental illnesses.

            Jim A., a two-tour veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, did seek out mental health services when he returned for good. (He asked that his last name not be used to protect his privacy.) At the Albany Stratton VA Medical Center in Albany, doctors diagnosed him with PTSD.

            But while he actively sought care, he said he can also see fellow veterans holding back on getting mental health treatment because of the reporting requirement.

            “I can’t talk to someone about my level of disconnect for fear of my information being shared when I go to buy a rifle,” he said, putting himself in another veteran’s shoes.

            “The sharing of information is a huge concern because, hey, if I want to get a new gun, I better not see the doctor. I better figure this out here by myself.”

            But who cares about the health care needs of vets when the left sees a chance to wipe out an amendment in the Bill of Rights?

            Article printed from FrontPage Magazine: http://frontpagemag.com

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            HTC: Got room for a fourth?

            Yup!

            HTC: Roll bars included?

            No....But it does have electronic stabilization, but I usually turn that off with a click of a button, to add a little 'thrill'. But I don't have too......(-:

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:35 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            mooseberryinn: None of the bills will pass, so we'll still wind up with nothing in the mad King Obama regime. But....that's exactly what he wants.

            HTC: What's so maddening about this situation is that we all lose, even if nothing is done. By simply staying the course, our date with national bankruptcy is assured and ObamaCare will destroy our health care system along the way.

            Obama and his party would make Marx and Saul Alinksky proud.

            But I do have to disagree with you that this is exactly what Obama wants. No, he would like to further hasten our demise and his hoped for rendezvous with hard socialism/communism.

            I'd say that he's worked hard for that except that it's clear that he's hardly worked - EVER.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:18 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9901

            Rob123: ...want to go 4 wheeling with JB and I in my Raptor, up logging roads while it's Spring Breakup, with no logging trucks to dodge? Deliciously huge mud puddles!

            HTC: Got room for a fourth?

            Rob123: We could reenact Descartes fleeing the Dominicans on the road to Amsterdam, except instead of 1 horse, we've got 411 horse power, 6 speeds with automatic or manual mode, and skid plates.

            HTC: Roll bars included?

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:16 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2686

            Fun stuff - King Obama - not interested in "balance", Dem's senate bill - never balances, Ryan's budget balances and with luck will get rid of the furball Obamacare law. Hmmm, None of the bills will pass, so we'll still wind up with nothing in the mad King Obama regime. But....that's exactly what he wants.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Pete: All this will be reported, explained, and approved on network news by the likes of Chris Matthews who will get a thrill up his leg watching realtime video of drone strikes fed directly from the White House situation room with the CIC of the moment very sternly and pushing launch buttons in defense of the STATE.

            HTC: Much of the Fourth Estate has indeed joined the Fifth Column. Given the sacred duty to report and keep our government honest that the press was charged with and which was protected by the First of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, they are guilty of a higher treason than the politicians who we expect to be self-serving and can only hold accountable if the press does its job.

            I wish I believed in a Hell; then, I could imagine a special corner of it reserved for the Chris Matthews of the world.

            Pete: While no analogies fit perfectly, there is no doubt in my mind that there is more at work here than the "natural" devolution and moral decay of a once great country. Sinister? Yea, I think so.

            HTC: I agree that there are sinister forces at work when it comes to destroying our capitalist free-market system and replacing it with a Marxist state. Obama is a good example. He's a committed Marxist working hard to create as much misery as possible in order to convince people that only the state can save them from that pain.

            He freely and openly talked about this strategy as a student and is pursuing it now. It's right out of Saul Alinksky's playbook and the MSM could have exposed him back in 2007-2008 but chose not to.

            One example of that strategy is ObamaCare which is clearly designed to destroy what remains of our crippled health care system in order to replace it with single payor, government-run health care. Of course, there are those who say that's simply not the case, in which case we're left with only one other explanation as to why this disastrous piece of legislation was enacted: Liberals are too stupid to be allowed to govern.

            So, take your pick. They're either too stupid to govern or too sinister and unAmerican.

            Those are the only choices when it comes to explaining today's Democratic party.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:54 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Bronco posted at 11:36 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013

            “We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.” ― Plato

            “We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” ― Benjamin Franklin

             
          • Pete posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Rob123 posted at 7:45 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013

            [thumbup][thumbup]

             
          • Rob123 posted at 7:45 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            Pete: "paving Thompson River Rd"

            I have been strongly against that since day 1......It would ruin some valuable winter range for deer and elk, and just ruin the whole experience of getting away. During the last big push, Marc Racicot was still gov., and he heard what I was saying and passed it on. I think he agreed, plus he knew the area. NOT Necessary. A nice blade in late spring, and some dust control in July. That's plenty enough.

             
          • Pete posted at 6:54 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Black smoke so far. No petrus romanus yet, eh? [smile]

             
          • Pete posted at 6:52 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 4:56 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013

            Yea, not a fan of the paved road. I remember there was talk a few years ago of paving Thompson River Rd, another of my favorite "shortcuts"...really hate to see that happen.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:56 am on Wed, Mar 13, 2013.

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            Pete: " I cut over to the Yaak from the Koocanusa bridge...."
            Ye old Dodge Summit.......very pretty area.....I remember the mixed feelings I had hauling fuel up into the area when they widened and paved the road in the mid-80's. It was nice to have a couple inches to spare when a logging truck came by, but it kind of civilized the area. Of course now, seeing a logging truck is rare and 'cool', although most the logs drop down past the Dirty Shame towards Highway 2 and then to Moyie Springs, Id. But in the summer, lots of SUV's with out of state licenses, and USFS trucks doing something? And Border Patrol, trying to keep those pesky Canadians from sneaking in on old logging roads, just for the heck of it.

             
          • Pete posted at 5:26 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            Rob123 posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013

            [smile]

            Last time I was up in that neck of the woods I cut over to the Yaak from the Koocanusa bridge...of course I had to detour to Rexford for some "home cooking" on the way. I'd guess Big Gulps have nothing on half pound sweetrolls when it comes to calories, but since I was the first rig over the hill that spring I put it down as survival provisions. Could have used a saw too. Sorry to hear about yours - you thought my story was dark, what about yours? Losing a Stihl is enough to make a grown man cry.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 2:33 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6599

            Pete posted at 12:36 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            That is really a dark scenario, Pete. I promise to do my best to keep it from playing out. In the meantime, want to go 4 wheeling with JB and I in my Raptor, up logging roads while it's Spring Breakup, with no logging trucks to dodge? Deliciously huge mud puddles! We could reenact Descartes fleeing the Dominicans on the road to Amsterdam, except instead of 1 horse, we've got 411 horse power, 6 speeds with automatic or manual mode, and skid plates. At least technology has changed! Maybe grab a couple of Big Gulps and pig out for the day? And with it's 110 V outlet, if we need to cut our way out, I have an electric chain saw under the seat! How cool is that? (Sadly, my Stihl chainsaw didn't survive it's ride in the pickup bed last summer. Gravity, I reckon.)

             
          • kohana posted at 2:21 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            The GOP Plan to Balance the Budget by 2023

            http://budget.house.gov/

            Paul Ryan’s plan

            His summery:

            http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323826704578353902612840488.html

            RLS and HTC, your responses and thoughts would be appreciated.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 1:31 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            oh it's okay kohana, I just guess you've never indulged in bacon flavored candy.....

            http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=bacon+flavored+candy&tag=googhydr-20&index=aps&hvadid=15769062355&hvpos=1t2&hvexid=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1130027675367670642&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&ref=pd_sl_7f10gpni5o_e

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 12:46 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            It's quite simple, really..........

            The MORE power the Congress gets,

            The LESS Liberty the rest of us have.

            [crying]

             
          • kohana posted at 12:40 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://www.actforamerica.org/welcome/

            Americans United to Defend Free Speech”

            Please sign our Open Letter to Congress and the State Legislatures!

            Dear Kay,

            Most Americans have never heard of the OIC (Organization of Islamic Cooperation).

            They’ve never heard of UN Resolution 16/18.

            They’re unaware that Europeans have been charged—and even been convicted—for speaking out against the threat of radical Islam.

            They don’t know that a survey found that 6 in 10 Muslims in America believe criticism of Islam and Muhammad SHOULD BE PROHIBITED. Or that 45% of American Muslims surveyed believe that those who criticize Islam should face criminal charges. These are not Muslims in Saudi Arabia. They’re our neighbors here in America.

            Last night, in a national webcast, we announced “Americans United to Defend Free Speech.”

            Guy Rodgers, ACT! for America Executive Director, documented a long list of threats to free speech, which can be seen on our website.

            But the most organized threat—UN Resolution 16/18—is actually getting help from our own State Department. (See the Forbes article, “Could You Be a Criminal? US Supports UN Anti-Free Speech Measure.”)

            A recent headline in a Saudi Gazette article makes it clear how the OIC views UN Resolution 16/18: “OIC gears up to get denigration of religions criminalized.”

            There is a rapidly growing chorus demanding the muzzling of free speech, both internationally and in America.

            This is why we have launched “Americans United to Defend Free Speech.”

            Step One of this effort is our Open Letter to Congress and the State Legislatures.

            This letter calls on Congress and the state legislatures to introduce and pass resolutions opposing the implementation of UN Resolution 16/18.

            Over the next few months, we need tens of thousands of concerned citizens to sign this letter.

            Tens of thousands. Hundreds of thousands would be even better.

            We need to awaken people everywhere. And we need to show our elected officials that we are dead serious about opposing this threat to our First Amendment right of free speech.

            For some time now ACT! for America has been monitoring the growing worldwide demand to suppress speech that supposedly “defames” or “offends” Islam.

            This demand to criminalize free speech can no longer be ignored.

            We can’t ring the alarm bells loudly enough.

            Please don’t assume that the restrictions on speech that exist in Europe or Canada can’t ever happen here.

            Join us today for Step One of our campaign to oppose the criminalization of free speech by signing our Open Letter.

            Then forward it to everyone you know.

            And stay tuned!

            Thank you.

            http://www.actforamerica.org/welcome/

             
          • Pete posted at 12:36 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            Pete Posts: 3152

            HighTechCowboy posted at 8:16 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013

            "It's interesting, however, that progressive politicians like Napolitano, Panetta and Obama continue to support, expand and defend the nanny state while simultaneously preparing for its inevitable end."

            But not surprising as the nanny state is simply a means to an end...and the baited masses, clinging to the Strasserist indoctrination they've been fed, are merely tools for the consolidation of power. Much as Hitler used Röhm as his battering ram before disposing of him, don't expect DHS to be called into action until the "capitalists" have been brought to heel and forced to "compromise and partner" with the STATE or lose it all. Then the long knives will come out and the quaint socialists with dreams of a workers paradise (if there are any left) will find themselves victims of their own naivety.

            Meanwhile, the "over" reaction of those "independents" who choose to defend themselves and their property using constitutionally guarranteed freedoms will provide convenient justification for the STATE to sweep away the remains of such archaic "rights" and criminalize those who wish to exercise them.

            All this will be reported, explained, and approved on network news by the likes of Chris Matthews who will get a thrill up his leg watching realtime video of drone strikes fed directly from the White House situation room with the CIC of the moment very sternly and pushing launch buttons in defense of the STATE.

            While no analogies fit perfectly, there is no doubt in my mind that there is more at work here than the "natural" devolution and moral decay of a once great country. Sinister? Yea, I think so.

             
          • kohana posted at 12:13 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            jennydoe posted at 11:46 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013

            There you go again, getting plenty of exercise jumping to conclusions! Wasn't a word about candy or sugar mentioned it the post.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 11:46 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            not to worry kohana, there is always a price to pay for his sugary substance. Take his post posted at 8:26 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013 - I find that to be fairly candy coated

             
          • Bronco posted at 11:36 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            @ HTC

            http://twentytwowords.com/2012/08/14/sorry-i-dont-believe-in-revolution-history-vs-biology/

            [wink]

             
          • kohana posted at 11:00 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Right jennydoe, my bad. So, what makes you think HTIC will for sure offer more sugary substance to us all? Is he in the habit of giving away free sugary substances? You would know this, how? Where is your argument to confirm your statement?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 10:25 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            kohana, there is nothing that makes me think HTIC is a soda drinker.
            I don't believe I said he did.
            Nor do I think he is in the tobacco business scamming the gov't, but I'll bet he knows all about it:

            http://www.wral.com/feds-bust-up-100m-nc-crop-insurance-fraud-ring/12211335/

            It takes an awful lot of individuals on welfare to create billions of dollars of gov't fraud, but only a few dozen good ol' boys.....

             
          • kohana posted at 10:07 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            Red Skelton, Pledge of Allegiance

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMR6d_9GsCQ

             
          • kohana posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            What makes you think HTC drinks any soda at all jennydoe?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 8:44 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            That was certainly a Big Gulp! Would you like another?

            9 out of 10 diet soda drinkers would have another
            1 out of 10 reg. soda drinkers would have another
            HTIC will for sure offer more sugary substance to us all.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 8:30 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:22 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            That was certainly a Big Gulp! Would you like another?

             
          • jennydoe posted at 8:29 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Forbes says that the Denver Post says that the Associated Press says that Homeland Security wants to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. Wow.

            Not only are they buying us all Obamaphones, for Easter we all get a gun and plenty ammo. That is...if you don't swing too far to the right.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:27 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Rob123: Remember, Pete, spending bills originate in the Republican led House of Representatives? Bi-partisan support, it would appear? (Article I, Section 7, clause 1)

            HTC: And indeed they have originated there many times over the past two years that the GOP has controlled the House, but a hardline, fully partisan and Democratically-controlled Senate refuses to pass a budget in defiance of the law and the Constititution.

            So let's give credit where credit is due.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:16 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Pete: "1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation"

            HTC: I don't believe there's anything sinister going on here. DHS is involved in training nearly 750,000 local and state law enforcement personnel in riot control and what might be called "urban warfare" which they and the DoD fear might be needed when the government's profligate spending finally bankrupts us, runaway inflation from years of "quantitative easing" and monetizing of our debt makes the dollar worthless, and the bankruptcy-driven end of the social safety net (e.g., the nanny state) makes millions of Americans desperate for the essentials of life.

            Imagine the South Central LA and Watts riots on a national scale.

            When this happens, we'll have one chance to quell it with overwhelming force or the rule of law and social order will be lost.

            When one understands how training for these scenarios is done and how much ammo is consumed, it's easy to explain this level of ammo purchase. Most departments don't have the budgets for this kind of training nor to stockpile the amounts of ammo needed for adequate reserve supplies. That's why the DHS and DoD are furnishing it.

            The MRAPs are a necessary part of these preparations as patrol cars would be sitting ducks and useless in many scenarios. Snipers are also critical to the equation as they allow a few trained personnel to cover and suppress a large area and make an unruly public scared to move in public settings. This is key to controlling rioting and looting.

            I realize this kind of talk makes most people very nervous but the nanny state's unsustainable burden, coupled with our lack of resolve to address it, has made this planning necessary. It's interesting, however, that progressive politicians like Napolitano, Panetta and Obama continue to support, expand and defend the nanny state while simultaneously preparing for its inevitable end.

            That truly qualifies as a highly sinister kind of hypocrisy, the likes of which we've never seen before.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:22 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Rob123: Yet, they sell like hot cakes, setting up the tension of the State protecting it's citizens and it's future bottom line from the obesity health costs vs. the constitutional right to be stupid.

            HTC: What set up "the tension of the State protecting it's citizens" is the fact that the citizens have failed to use the Constitituion and the electoral process to keep the State inside it's narrow Constitituionally-defined boundaries.

            The State has no business trying to provide health care for its citizens. By exceeding its just powers in doing so, it has created the situation where it now must protect its "bottom line." Get the state out of free markets and return to individual responsibility and the problem goes away.

            Those who wish to become or remain obese will suffer for it, including receiving no medical treatment for its effects unless they can afford to pay for it personally.

            Per the state's logic, why not protect ALL of its bottom line; after all, this is only a portion of the overall hit to the taxpayer imposed upon him/her by the nanny state.

            Let's have forced sterilization of poor women who insist upon having children they can't provide for. Let's end welfare and subsidized housing for those who can work but won't. Let's legalize drugs and tattoo those who use them with a "Don't rescuscitate" symbol so that we don't keep wasting money on them in ER. Let's also tax the crap out of it to pay for their rehab. Let's stop paying $80-100K per year for those who have unprotected sex and get AIDS.

            Let's abolish public school funding since it sends kids out into the world unprepared to earn a decent living. This is esecially true in Bloomberg's NY City, where they recently admitted that 80% of their high school graduates can't read or write. Let's go to vouchers and privatize the system, letting free market competition fix the system.

            No, we don't need protection from ourselves. What we need is protection from our government.

            And that starts by abolishing progressivism.


             
          • Rob123 posted at 6:23 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Pete posted at 5:56 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/8590
            Homeland Security’s Armored Vehicles
            Ken Jorgustin
            March 6, 2013

            Remember, Pete, spending bills originate in the Republican led House of Representatives? Bi-partisan support, it would appear? (Article I, Section 7, clause 1)

             
          • Pete posted at 5:56 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            Frank on Power vs Liberty: "In a very real sense, this battle has already been concluded in the Democratic Party..."

            Case in point.

            "1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It's Time For A National Conversation"

            "...at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America."

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:21 am on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

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            "A New York City judge has overturned Mayor Bloomberg's ban on large sugary drinks as "arbitrary and capricious" "

            This little political drama taking place in NYC has all the stuff, including media coverage, of Frank's
            "schism between the lovers of liberty and the lovers of power", it would appear. Anyone with a slight grasp of science and nutrition knows a 20+oz of sugary cola is just plain bad for you. Yet, they sell like hot cakes, setting up the tension of the State protecting it's citizens and it's future bottom line from the obesity health costs vs. the constitutional right to be stupid.

            Of course, the ruling was overturned on the basis that only a certain class of businesses were affected by the ban, while right next door a business with a license from a jurisdiction not under the 'City of New York" licensing control could continue selling. I agree with the Judge on this. Yet I can see what the Mayor is trying to do.

            Interesting tension. If this could be worked out, I am sure we could graduate to Drone Policy, both in the United States and our mind numbing Geopolitics?


             
          • kohana posted at 6:08 pm on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            A New York City judge has overturned Mayor Bloomberg's ban on large sugary drinks as "arbitrary and capricious"

            http://news.yahoo.com/bloombergs-ban-sugary-drinks-tossed-court-223800193.html

             
          • kohana posted at 5:54 pm on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Mr.-Mayor


            Mr. Mayor...

            Roman Genn ·

             
          • Rob123 posted at 12:16 pm on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            lousia posted at 11:01 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            [thumbup]

             
          • lousia posted at 11:01 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Thanks Frank for great column as usual, You wrote it just as it went, McCain and Graham, are the old--- whats wrong with the republican party, It needs new blood and I really like the younger people in there, The old (senators)ones that have made their Millions off the American people, been there forever, and i am sorry but i have not seen much from the republicans or democrats in the last few years, Just going to parties alot, and sitting having dinner with Obama this last time, eating fancy meal in a fancy place, And the hard working tax payers will pay for it as usual. And what did they gain maybe indigestion if the tax payers are lucky, nothing else. So go young men, need some new blood, and will have the guts to do it; Thank you.

             
          • kohana posted at 9:47 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/another-fabricated-atrocity-will-the.html

            A few articles from March 10, 2013 Jihad Watch regarding these barbarians from the Stone Age, in their behavior that is:

            UN report: Hamas killed BBC reporter's baby in Gaza -- not the Israelis as was reported worldwide

            Muslims throw firebombs at Israeli cops from inside Al Aqsa Mosque

            Christian protesters decry Muslim mob's torching of Christian homes following blasphemy charge

            One of Pope Benedict XVI's last acts: canonizing 800 Christian martyrs murdered by Muslims

            London Protest: Christians Persecuted in Pakistan Demand Equality

            Sharia in action in Iran: Ahmadinejad under fire for hugging woman at Chavez funeral

             
          • Rob123 posted at 9:30 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Hot off the Internet!

            Paul Krugman, the king of Keynesianism and a strong supporter of the delusion that you can print your way out of debt, faces depression at his very own doors.

            According to this report in Austria’s Format online mag, Krugman owes $7.35 million while assets to his name came in at a very meager $33,000. This will allow the economist and New York Times blogger to get a feel of how the majority of Americans go about their dreadful lives without any savings and a social system that will only shed pennies to him.

            Krugma’s list of debts shows a stunning similarity as to what’s wrong these days. The biggest chunk is related to a $8.7 million loan for his Manhattan condo, followed by $621,000 in credit card debt. Krugman probably is not seen of 5th Avenue anymore. Among his list of creditors, Tiffany’s stands out with a $33,000 in open collections.

            Things really went downhill for the star economist. His Manhattan residence lost 40% in value and makes one wonder how can somebody do so bad in the best of all US property hotspots. Krugman went deeper into the red by impulsive shopping splurges, throwing his money after Portuguese wines and British dresses from the Victorian period, flattening his Black Amex card by $84,000 in one month.

            While this would be delicious irony, the author of the article – “Prudent Investor,” according to the byline – didn’t verify his sources: He cites the Austrian business magazine Format, who seems to have pulled it from the Currant as if it were a wire service. We can only hope that Boston.com’s author is more prudent with his investments than with his reporting.

            Last month, the Washington Post was fooled by a Currant piece that said Sarah Palin was joining Al Jazeera as a contributor so as to “reach millions of devoutly religious people.”`
            http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/342627/krugman-files-bankruptcy-bostoncom-falls-fake-news-story-andrew-johnson

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 9:24 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Speaking of Detroit and Democratic politicians:

            http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/kwame-kilpatrick-verdict-ex-detroit-mayor-guilty-in-corruption-trial-88688.html

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:59 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Silicon Valley's dark secret: rampant poverty in an area which has long been governed by Democrats and where Democrats make up 76% of the electorate. Of course, they're no different than many other poverty-stricken areas also long ruled by Democrats such as Chicago, Detroit and Baltimore, to name just a few more:

            Silicon Valley adds tech jobs, homeless
            Published March 11, 2013 | Associated Press

            SAN JOSE, California – On a morning the stock market was sailing to a record high and a chilly storm was blowing into Silicon Valley, Wendy Carle stuck her head out of the tent she calls home to find city workers duct taping an eviction notice to her flimsy, flapping shelter walls.

            "I have no idea where I'm going to go," she said, tugging on her black sweatshirt over her brown curls and scooping up Hero, an albino dog.

            She glanced at the glimmering windows on a cluster of high-tech office buildings just blocks away and shook her head.

            "Did you know Google shares hit $840 each this morning?" she asked. "I just heard that on the radio."

            Carle, who did not want to give her age, used to manage apartments. Today she lives on a Supplemental Security Income disability payment of $826 a month due to back and joint problems.

            The Silicon Valley is adding jobs faster than it has in more than a decade as the tech industry roars back. Stocks are soaring and fortunes are once again on the rise.

            But a bleaker record is also being set this year: Food stamp participation just hit a 10-year high, homelessness rose 20 percent in two years, and the average income for Hispanics, who make up one in four Silicon Valley residents, fell to a new low of about $19,000 a year-- capping a steady 14 percent drop over the past five years, according to the annual Silicon Valley Index released by Joint Venture Silicon Valley, representing businesses, and the philanthropic Silicon Valley Community Foundation.

            Simply put, while the ultra-rich are getting even richer, record numbers of Silicon Valley residents are slipping into poverty.

            "In the midst of a national economic recovery led by Silicon Valley's resurgence, as measured by corporate profits and record stock prices, something strange is going on in the Valley itself. Most people are getting poorer," said Cindy Chavez, executive director of San Jose-based Working Partnerships USA, a nonprofit advocating for affordable housing, higher minimum wages and access to health care.

            Nowhere is this growing disparity more obvious than this sprawling and trash-strewn 28-acre (11.3-hectare) tent city that authorities are trying to clean out. Beneath the sweeping shadow and roar of jets soaring in and out of nearby San Jose's international airport, residents here say times are so tight they have nowhere else to turn.

            "This is the most ridiculous place ever," said Kristina Erbenich, 38, clambering onto her bike, a heavy pack on her back. The former chef said she spent $14,000 on hotel rooms before her savings ran out. "If everyone around here is so rich, why can't they do something to help?"

            United Way Silicon Valley CEO Carole Leigh Hutton wonders the same thing.

            "How is it that in an area so very rich, we have so many people so very poor? Why can't we break that cycle? With all the brain power in the Silicon Valley, we should be able to solve these problems. But what we need is the collective will."

            The causes for the growing disparity are complex, but largely come down to one thing: a very high cost of living. The median home price is $550,000, and rents average just under $2,000 a month for a two-bedroom apartment in this region that is home to many of the nation's wealthiest companies including Facebook, Apple Inc., Hewlett-Packard Co. and Google. For a family of four, just covering basic needs like rent, food, childcare and transportation comes to almost $90,000 a year, according to the nonprofit Insight Center for Community Economic Development.

            "The fact is that we have an economy now that's working well only for those at the very top," said Lawrence Mishel at the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. "Unless we adopt a new approach to economic policy, we're going to continue going down this path, which means growth that does not really benefit the great majority of people in this country."

            Nationally, Mishel says the declining value of the federal minimum wage is a major factor driving inequality. On Monday, in an effort to address this, minimum hourly wages will rise from $8 per hour to a new minimum of $10 per hour, the nation's largest minimum wage increase approved by voters last fall. While it's a dramatic shift for tens of thousands of workers, it's a minuscule fraction of the increases top earners in the region enjoyed last year.

            Silicon Valley's top tech magnates inched up the Forbes annual list of the richest people on the planet released this week: Oracle Corp. CEO Larry Ellison had a reported net worth of $43 billion, Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin had about $23 billion each, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, was worth an estimated $13.3 billion, and Laurene Powell Jobs, widow of Apple Inc. co-founder Steve Jobs, had an estimated worth of $10.7 billion.

            "The wealth numbers are staggering, they are absolutely staggering," said Alf Nucifora, who chairs the Luxury Marketing Council of San Francisco

            One in five ultra-wealthy Americans, defined by having a net worth above $30 million, lives in California, stoked by the "wealth-generating cluster" of the Silicon Valley, according to WealthX, a company that tracks the super-rich. Stanford University, in Palo Alto, boasts 1,173 alumni with a net worth of more than $30 million -- only Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania have more.

            "The Silicon Valley is an ecosystem of human capital, venture capital, risk, an educational infrastructure," says WealthX president David Friedman. "All of those things combine into this glorious cocktail of prosperity."

            But many residents, even those with college educations, are finding it tougher than ever to make it in the Silicon Valley.

            Before the Great Recession, about 10 percent of people seeking food had at least some college education. Today, one in four who line up at food pantries for bags of free food have been to college. Last year the share of households in Silicon Valley earning less than $35,000 rose two percentage points to 20 percent, according to the 2013 Silicon Valley Index.

            "There are millionaires, even billionaires, who sit in their sunrooms watching me work in their gardens and they have no clue what's going on," said Sherri Bohan, a credentialed horticulturist who ran a landscape gardening firm for 30 years and raised two sons as a single mom. Today, retired and disabled, she picks up a free bag of groceries every week at her local food bank. Without the food she says she would go hungry.

            Silicon Valley's rich do give, and often significantly, but the money mostly leaves the area. Facebook's Zuckerberg gave $100 million to Newark New Jersey, public schools in 2010; his $500 million gift to the Silicon Valley Community Foundation last year has yet to be designated. The Google Foundation donated about $11 million in 2011, according to its tax forms, largely to global environmental and health projects.

            "Many people come here to work, but they have no idea what's really going on," said Lisa Sobrato Sonsini, whose Sobrato Family Foundation -- funded by profits gained as a leading real estate and development firm in the region -- is the single largest contributor to local charities in the region. "The companies are generous, but they don't see the need directly in front of them, they want to send their money away."

            Phyllis Kizer, a long time high-tech business analyst, is disturbed by the challenges people in her community face.

            "Looking at myself, I'm very well paid for what I do, I have no complaints," she said.

            Once a week, Kizer heads to a low income school where she sits with children, including recent immigrants, helping them learn to read.

            "I love books, and I love teaching," she said. "I wanted to pass that on. Some of these children, they can really go far, but we need to help."


             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:26 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Potentially good news for you fast food lovers:

            Even 4,000 year-old mummies had clogged arteries, study reveals
            Published March 11, 2013 | Associated Press

            Even without modern-day temptations like fast food or cigarettes, people had clogged arteries some 4,000 years ago, according to the biggest-ever hunt for the condition in mummies.

            Researchers say that suggests heart disease may be more a natural part of human aging rather than being directly tied to contemporary risk factors like smoking, eating fatty foods and not exercising.

            CT scans of 137 mummies showed evidence of atherosclerosis, or hardened arteries, in one third of those examined, including those from ancient people believed to have healthy lifestyles. Atherosclerosis causes heart attacks and strokes. More than half of the mummies were from Egypt while the rest were from Peru, southwest America and the Aleutian islands in Alaska. The mummies were from about 3800 B.C. to 1900 A.D.

            "Heart disease has been stalking mankind for over 4,000 years all over the globe," said Dr. Randall Thompson, a cardiologist at Saint Luke's Mid America Heart Institute in Kansas City and the paper's lead author.

            The mummies with clogged arteries were older at the time of their death, around 43 versus 32 for those without the condition. In most cases, scientists couldn't say whether the heart disease killed them.

            The study results were announced Sunday at a meeting of the American College of Cardiology in San Francisco and simultaneously published online in the journal Lancet.

            Thompson said he was surprised to see hardened arteries even in people like the ancient Aleutians who were presumed to have a healthy lifestyle as hunter-gatherers.

            "I think it's fair to say people should feel less guilty about getting heart disease in modern times," he said. "We may have oversold the idea that a healthy lifestyle can completely eliminate your risk."

            Thompson said there could be unknown factors that contributed to the mummies' narrowed arteries. He said the Ancestral Puebloans who lived in underground caves in modern-day Colorado and Utah, used fire for heat and cooking, producing a lot of smoke.

            "They were breathing in a lot of smoke and that could have had the same effect as cigarettes," he said.

            Previous studies have found evidence of heart disease in Egyptian mummies, but the Lancet paper is the largest survey so far and the first to include mummies elsewhere in the world.

            Dr. Frank Ruehli of the University of Zurich, who runs the Swiss Mummy Project, said it was clear atherosclerosis was notably present in antiquity and agreed there might be a genetic predisposition to the disease.

            "Humans seem to have a particular vulnerability (to heart disease) and it will be interesting to see what genes are involved," he said. Ruehli was not connected to the study. "This is a piece in the puzzle that may tell us something important about the evolution of disease."

            Other experts warned against reading too much into the mummy data.

            Dr. Mike Knapton, associate medical director at the British Heart Foundation, said calcified arteries could also be caused by other ailments including endocrine disorders and that it was impossible to tell from the CT scans if the types of calcium deposits in the mummies were the kind that would have sparked a heart attack or stroke.

            "It's a fascinating study but I'm not sure we can say atherosclerosis is an inevitable part of aging," he said, citing the numerous studies that have showed strong links between lifestyle factors and heart disease.

            Researcher Thompson advised people to live as healthy a lifestyle as possible, noting that the risk of heart disease could be reduced with good eating habits, not smoking and exercising. "We don't have to end up like the mummies," he said.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 8:14 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            Bronco: Do you agree about the pig blood propaganda?

            HTC: Stories alleging that General "Black Jack" Pershing used bullets dipped in pig's blood to squash Muslim attacks in the Phillipines have circulated for decades but never have been authenticated.

            But I doubt that pig's blood would be an effective weapon since there's nothing in the Quran which states that contact with pigs, their blood or body parts would deny them access to Paradise; in fact, Shariah Law states that they may eat pork rather than starve, if there's nothing else to eat.

            Like orthodox Jews, they believe pigs to be "unclean" in a manner which is a health/dietary restriction rather than an issue with religious significance.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 5:47 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            HighTechCowboy posted at 7:41 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.
            Posts: 7234
            Bronco: Actually, it was during the Bronze Age when the violent religions were created. Bronze changed history in a major way.
            HTC: The Bronze Age ended in 1200BC while Islam appeared in the seventh century AD.
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            It took a long time to write 3 Books, eh? Relatively speaking, of course. I'm sure glad the last Ice Age ended, allowing everyone to get in some really big stories about floods and floating their boats. "Greatest Story Ever Told"?
            I remain a little partial to Homer and his "Odyssey", 8 Century B.C.. Kind of like watching the Travel Channel on a rainy afternoon, far from the Maddening Crowd and their struggles with Liberty and Power and their notions that somehow these concepts are mutually exclusive and dependent on outside forces. I remember one of my own excursions, walking by a meditating Buddhist Monk in SE Asia, and it's like I didn't even exist. Armed to the teeth, I stood and looked at him, and I didn't even exist to him. "Cool!", thought I. "Want to play Dominoes?". No response. Good for him! Of course, he would never become a NeoCon Chickenhawk filled with Angst, along with it's last remnants of Manifest Destiny. O'Well.

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:09 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

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            HTC: The Bronze Age ended in 1200BC while Islam appeared in the seventh century AD.
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            My bad. The Bronze Age ended in the Middle east around 1200 BC, but lingered in Britain for another 700-years.

            The Stone Age ended between 4500-3000 BC, depending on which source you read.

            Do you agree about the pig blood propaganda?

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:41 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            Bronco: Actually, it was during the Bronze Age when the violent religions were created. Bronze changed history in a major way.

            HTC: The Bronze Age ended in 1200BC while Islam appeared in the seventh century AD.

             
          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:33 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            SorrySOB: So there you go. It sounds like drones are ok to take out Americans as long the targets are anything but white and of European descent. Right back to proving my point about Bush/Cheney.

            HTC: No, you're only proving your own prejudices.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 7:30 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            It appears that the Russians drive and drink-a lot of Vodka! I sent it to my Grandson who is learning to drive as a lesson in learning defensive driving techniques. RLS

             
          • Bronco posted at 7:24 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            kohana: Maybe the barbarians from the stone age will get a clue.
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            Actually, it was during the Bronze Age when the violent religions were created. Bronze changed history in a major way. As far as pig's blood dumped on mosques goes, I'd say putting out some good propaganda stating that the Muslim countries' water-supply was contaminated with pig's blood for the past ten years and that the North Koreans are responsible would save US a lot of expense, not to mention American lives.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 6:50 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            So there you go. It sounds like drones are ok to take out Americans as long the targets are anything but white and of European descent. Right back to proving my point about Bush/Cheney.

             
          • kohana posted at 6:18 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            JBSTONE posted at 4:48 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013

            Are they drunk, blind, or is that government policy that doesn't require “breaks?”

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 4:48 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            If you think Driver's Ed class is hard here...........try Russia.......!!!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itMdLTd1l4E&feature=youtu.be

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 4:28 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            Libra: I must say that you have certainly drawn the picture better than I. Either we embrace our existence or we exist in darkness. Remaining undeclared as to our intentions will only cause longer suffering and more evil upon our citizens. Unfortunately, prolonging our initiative to exist in Peace will not bring Peace. It never has and never will, that is the history of civilizations. RLS

             
          • kohana posted at 4:09 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            If that doesn't work, we can next use something stronger than pig's blood. We can also stop arming the ignoramuses, and arrest the ignorant one sitting in OUR White House for treason along with his cabinet, as he and they are aiding and abetting the enemy.

             
          • libra42 posted at 4:06 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            Continued and increasing acts of terror in Europe and elsewhere will slowly make the relativists look like the misguided simpletons they are. Sooner or later, Islamic extremism will be acknowledged as evil and the battle lines will be drawn.

            Either Western Civilization will be embraced or we will struggle to exist in darkness.

             
          • kohana posted at 4:04 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            I would suggest that drones armed with pig's blood be dropped on every major mosque, including Mecca, and the Dome of the Rock, simultaneously. Should put a damper on the problem, after all, nothing happens that isn't allah's will, right? Maybe the barbarians from the stone age will get a clue.

             
          • Rob123 posted at 4:01 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

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            Rick Spencer posted at 2:44 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Why did we invade Iraq? And after 10 years and close to a Trillion Dollars, our departure has finally allowed them to prepare for their Civil War, with Iran's blessing.

            We need to get back to a Dept. of DEFENSE. IMHO.

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 2:44 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            This is an asymmetrical war to last for generations (as it already has) that will take us years to figure out the appropriate Constitutional responses; and, in the interim it will be a challenge to protect our citizen's rights and lives without destroying our core values. The Constitution is not a "suicide pact" and that is why I favor Guantanamo over the justice system until our citizenry better understand the fight we are engaged. Our 'military' world has been turned upside down with a new type of war that has no front, no country declaring war against us, no ending in sight, and no leadership confronting the issues that could finish it. If the world does not engage and declare it must end no matter the ugliness of the effort, then no one can foretell the future for Western Civilization, except it cannot be good. How could it be good?

            I would like to know the opinions about how can we be brought together to confront the evil we engage? RLS

             
          • Bronco posted at 1:43 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            "the entire national security infrastructure which under the last two presidents has chiseled away at various constitutional protections in order to prop up its own power base."----Well said, Frank. We still our GW lovers here though. The lesser of two evils?

             
          • Rick Spencer posted at 11:56 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Rick Spencer Posts: 405

            I would say that one should never underestimate a country's inability to imagine its own destruction through the selfishess of its political elite! RLS

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 10:33 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            As expected, the hypocrisy here is running rampant. Don’t any of you “sky is falling” conservatives understand that everyone else was saying the same thing about Bush that you are saying now? He and his henchman Cheney declared war on everyone that even looked suspicious – American or not. I swear the country was in fear of them more than the terrorists half the time. You simply don’t like who is in office now and you will say and do whatever you can to make others think it’s different. Luckily, your arguments are transparent enough to reveal that.

             
          • Otis posted at 7:05 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            Otis Posts: 58

            It is fascinating to me that the Civil War hasn't come up in any discussions that I have seen on this topic.
            Mr. Lincoln killed over 600,000 Americans (without drones) and maimed a generation without Due Process.
            Try reading The Prize Cases which is the closest SCOTUS ever decided on the legality of that War and its actual beginning. (Depends were you were the date changes depending on which Southern port Lincoln blockaded.)
            So, they did decide that it was a War of Northern aggression.
            Lincoln could have chosen the same actions Jefferson did in dealing with the Northern Confederacy (aka: the Essex Junto) and we would still have a confederated republic ....

            When Obama's answer is Lincoln did the same thing - What will the Republican's response be?

            It's the Collectivist nation, ..... That the Lincoln revolution accomplished.

             
          • JBSTONE posted at 1:02 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            JBSTONE Posts: 4558

            kohana posted at 10:43 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            "We've done, I think, a disservice to a lot of Americans by making them believe that somehow they're in danger from their government."

            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            NOPE.

            The American Government would NEVER intentionally harm any of its Citizens.............[beam]

            I know that for sure:

            http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14556

            http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=14573

             
          • kohana posted at 10:43 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Enablers
            The Enablers

            Dave Carter
            ……

            Not to be outdone, John McCain (Maverick-AZ), said:

            "We've done, I think, a disservice to a lot of Americans by making them believe that somehow they're in danger from their government."

            Well, Senator, what conclusions would you prefer Americans to draw from a government whose Department of Homeland Security releases illegal aliens into the general population in advance of budgetary sequestration, but somehow finds the money to purchase over 2,700 Mine Resistant Armored Protection vehicles for domestic use in addition to some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition? Speaking of which, what are we to make of United States Senators who negotiate comprehensive immigration reform with a President who opens prison cells and releases criminal illegals into our midst? I submit that it's the federal government that has gone "maverick," and the senator who has gone native.

            Read the rest…..
            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Enablers

             
          • kohana posted at 10:26 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            kohana Posts: 2109

            SorrySOB posted at 8:37 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013

            "To my Republican colleagues, I don't remember any of you coming down here suggesting that President Bush was going to kill anybody with a drone, do you? They had a drone program back then, all of a sudden this drone program has gotten every Republican so spun up. What are we up to here?"


            Answer: President Bush wasn't on record as hostile toward the Constitution and lamenting that it didn't go far enough in enabling redistributive remedies. President Bush didn't unilaterally declare the Senate in recess in order to make unconstitutional recess appointments, and then proceed to ignore a Court of Appeals ruling that found his actions unconstitutional. President Bush didn't negate federal immigration law via executive fiat, nor announce his intention of going around the people's representatives when they declined to enact pet provisions of his political agenda. What we have, Senator, in case you haven't noticed, is an executive who is at war with the Constitution and the individual. What we are up to here, is the drawing of lines beyond which the President is not allowed to go. I know, I know, Jeb Bush said he doesn't want to draw lines in the sand, but a few of us recognize and celebrate the indispensable courage of those who drew such lines in 1776, and recognize that without similar fortitude today, what is left of our freedom will be compromised out of existence by those whose idea of success is to merely hop when the opposition says to jump.

            Read all of it you SorrySOB, you might even learn something.

            http://ricochet.com/main-feed/The-Enabler

            The Enablers
            Dave Carter

             
          • libra42 posted at 8:52 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            Whether Republican or Democrat, the power to take away from one person and give it to another, is what we are talking about. In the tasteless and degrading scramble for this power, our political process has become a sort of freak show of candidates grasping for that power.

            With that as a backdrop, those advocating and seeking liberty are portrayed as troublemakers who won't go along with the program.

             
          • SorrySOB posted at 8:37 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            SorrySOB Posts: 484

            I'm still waiting to an answer for Sen. Graham's question

            "To my Republican colleagues, I don’t remember any of you coming down here suggesting that President Bush was going to kill anybody with a drone, do you?” Graham said. “They had a drone program back then, all of a sudden this drone program has gotten every Republican so spun up. What are we up to here?”

            Yes, what indeed are they up to? Let's see how many skewed and twisted answers the peanut gallery can come up with.

             
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