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Posted: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 2:00 am

Idaho Gov. Butch Otter announced Monday that his state will no longer act as the federal government’s “designated agent” for wolf management.

The Republican contends that wolves have been “devastating” deer, elk and moose populations and the state has a “sovereign right” to protect its big game populations. 

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          • maxipd posted at 11:47 am on Mon, Jan 31, 2011.

            maxipd Posts: 1

            ya know if your so excited that your cause is winning and ours is lossing how about you go fallow a pack of wolves during the winter in a area that has a lot of elk and deer and see what these wolves do. do they just sit and eat one elk and survive or do they mutalate a whole herd. and keep fallowing the herd and eating tinney junks of the animal an leave it to rot for the scavengers to eat. do you find that human or what

          • animals7 posted at 3:39 pm on Mon, Nov 8, 2010.

            animals7 Posts: 1

            So, you hunters are angry because Wolves have changed ungulate behaviors to make it harder for you to hunt? Facts are facts. Wolves DO NOT kill for a sport, as deerhunter stated. Carnivores cannot afford to waste needed energy for a sport kill, as human hunters do. Carnivores do not have a high stamina as to their prey have. This is a feature for the prey given to them by Natural Selection for their survival. Facts: According to a July 2010 article by the Fish and Game, there were 23 zones researched in Elk populations in the Great Plains region. 6 of those regions of Elk population had a main predator of Wolves, 4 had a major predator of Wolves and Cougars, and 11 of those zones were human harvest. Of all the 23 zones, 4 of those zones saw a decrease in Elk population, and all 4 of those zones major predator was human harvest. Hunters continue to read articles from hunting organizations and other hunters. Off course they will post bias views about Wolves, because it benefits their agenda of sport hunting. Why not look at more viable resources, such as YellowStone Biologists, Howell for Justice, Earthjustice, etc who do actual field research on Wolves and other predators?
            Montmech: The difference between you and Wolves is that Wolves SOLELY have to hunt another animal for their survival. You do not! You are a human in which you can sustain food sources in many diverse ways. Wolves, and other carnivores, cannot. Facts are that Elk populations overall have grown in population since the Wolf reintroduction, and here is proof. Wolves first obligation is to go after the sick, weak and injured because they waste less energy, there is that consumption of energy again they need for survival, then going after healthier ones. By eliminating the weaker ones from the herd, the entire herd becomes stronger with only the strongest residing within the herd. This is beneficial for mating purposes in passing the strongest genetic material to the next generation, which keeps the survivers of each generation living longer. Yes! I am a Biologist and have done many stints on field research on Wolves and other Carnivores.
            Deerhunter said it exact. Hunting now is harder then before because the Wolves have changed the alarming behaviors of Elk to a more natural one they use to have before the Wolves were wiped out early in the 20th century. This, off course angers hunters, and is why you have such a grudge on Wolves, because now you have a challenge as to catch your Elk.
            MontanaEasy: No! The only people complaining about Wolves are the hunters and a handful of ranchers, not the general public. It was actually the general public's idea to work with the Fish and Wildlife to reintroduce Wolves back to their natural grounds in America when they spotted a few Wolves migrating back and forth from Canada for food and mating purposes. The general public notified the Fish and Wildlife, and the plan set off. More of you hunters fabricating your bias views.

          • deerhunter posted at 9:50 pm on Thu, Oct 21, 2010.

            deerhunter Posts: 37

            The fact that hunting is going to be a bit harder now and in the future is pure and true... with population growth being a part of it.. however when comparing human hunters to predator wolves a few thoughts must come to mind.. we as humans regulate ourselves to seasons inwhich hunting still allows for a reproducing peroid.. We regulate how many does and bucks can be taken per hunter per region as well elk and all other species we hunt. Wolves have no regulations. PERIOD...... Wolves kill for sport and food like we humans do but they do it all year, everyday.. There is no grey area here... If the fawns of moose, deer & elk can't escape the wolf to survive to breeding age the populations will be permantly affected. If we don't protect the animals we hunt from a nondiscretionary killer we might as well allow disease to wipe them out.. FWP spent countless dollars protecting sheep herds from pneumomia in the rescent years. they protect our rivers, lakes and streams from species of fish that threaten the populations of more desirable species. What the F is going on that the wolf is being allowed to " run-a-muck in our woods untamed". When the time comes for the people to vote for someone that will properly protect wildlife, we as voters must take action. There will be absolutely no excuse for a hunter in this state to allow thier voice to be un-heard..

          • montmech1 posted at 9:39 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            montmech1 Posts: 1

            marley, marley marley, you tried really hard to sound like a blue collar human there, but the fact is many Montanans are not all about the hunt. Face it, what you are after is depriving the workers of this state decent paying jobs, by keeping the wolf listed as endangered. Some of us do need the meat to sustain us through the winter while paying the extra heating bills to keep our families warm. The wolf is just another pawn to keep good paying jobs out of this corner of the world. It's not all about the hunt is it?

          • marley097 posted at 5:06 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            marley097 Posts: 1

            *sigh* My neighbor jimbob didn’t kill his elk this year, so its the wolves fault right. With all the technology and advantages we humans have( really think about it, there are too many hah) in this sport of killing animals for fun/food we don’t REALLY need, if you cant find what your looking for, you need a new hobby. I hunt so I'm definitely not against it as an activity and most my friends partake. When they don’t 'harvest' their prize buck/bull, they don’t blame it on the wolves, they say they need a new spot. At least they have the right attitude about it. Seems like others are afraid of a little competition. Obviously wolves are going to have an impact, we've had 14 years to prepare for that...but what happened to blaming dwindling populations of ungulates on deforestation/human influence? Oh that’s right, we have a new scapegoat now, the big bad wolf. Ask yourself this, what would it take for hunting activists to shut up and be happy? From what I've seen, it would take no competition from anything, not even other hunters. Would it take nothing short of every hunter getting every animal he wants every time he/she hunt? I wish everything was easy too, but just like in every endeavor of life, hunting carries the risk of failure. But in this case, it seems legitimate to shift the blame from ones own actions to the wolf who is out to survive.

          • Garyt posted at 2:42 pm on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            Garyt Posts: 25

            I also wish our governor had the courage to do this. I'm getting sick & tired of all these non-elected judges have the control over us that they do. They legislate from the bench without having to face the people for their stupid decisions. If they weren't in the back pocket of all these special interest groups things would be a lot better.

          • truthspeaks posted at 10:39 am on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            Wish our govenor had the guts to do this!

          • Strider posted at 10:30 am on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            Strider Posts: 433

            WAY TO GO! Btw, would you like to manage Montana's packs as well.

          • Flovilla posted at 7:12 am on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            Flovilla Posts: 296

            Now how about our politicians at least doing the same thing?

          • montanaeasy56 posted at 6:56 am on Tue, Oct 19, 2010.

            montanaeasy56 Posts: 234

            It is amausing to see all these STATE officials clamoring for the highermoral ground on this wolf issue...must be an election year or something is in the air. I wonder where all their concern was for the deer and elk herds 15 years ago when hunters, ranchers, and the general public TOLD them THIS was going to happen...too many dollar signs clouded their vision.


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