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Posted: Saturday, October 13, 2012 6:41 pm | Updated: 2:09 pm, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

It’s 8:45 a.m. on Thursday and Mayre Flowers is the lone audience member at the Flathead County commissioners’ chambers.

A few minutes later she’s joined by a couple of colleagues, but it’s Flowers who takes the stand to speak on behalf of Citizens for a Better Flathead about proposed changes to the county growth policy.

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          40 comments:

          • RussCrowder posted at 2:44 pm on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            I assume this was just Part 1 of the article on Citizens For A Better Flathead. I heard that in Part 2, the paper is going to do some investigative journalism to determine how many lives were lost in the Flathead during the years that CFBF got Max Baukus to hold up the funding for a new four lane highway between Kalispell and Whitefish so that citizens had to continue to commute on and OLD two lane highway instead of a new four lane. Maybe they could even print the obituary's of the deceased, courtesy of CFBF. That should be fun.

             
          • DanglingChad posted at 12:17 pm on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

            DanglingChad Posts: 33

            VOTER BEWARE!

            Liberal kooks Gil Jordan and Clara LaChappelle (both commissioner candidates) are tied at the hip to Citizens for better Flathead. They want nothing more than to shut down this valley and turn it into a park.

            Here is what Citizens for a better Flathead, Gil Jordan and Clara LaChappelle stand for: NO GROWTH, NO GRAVEL PITS, NO BUSINESS, NO PROPERTY RIGHTS.

            Gil Jordan and LaChappelle can NEVER be allowed to serve one day inside the Commissioners Office. Jim Dupont would roll over in his grave if Gil Jordan was allowed to take his seat.

             
          • Plumber posted at 11:53 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

            Plumber Posts: 82

            CFBF are the type of group who take from the wood pile a stick at a time. Before you know it, no more wood. They simply and methodically take a little here and there over time and low and behold when you go to exercise your development rights, they've all but evaporated.

            Pay attention people~Citizens For A Better Flathead will steal your property rights one stick at a time in an effort to kill commerce and development once and for all. They will not rest until they turn our fair County into Vail, Colorado or worse...Whitefish, Montana.

             
          • ManChef posted at 11:46 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

            ManChef Posts: 61

            This group is a fraud. They pretend to be "watchdogs" when the reality is, they are obstructionists. Their goal is to prevent property owners from developing or improving their own land. Citizens for a better flathead employs stall tactics and legal manuevering in order to halt growth in our Valley. This is who they are and this is what they do - obstruct.

            Citizens for a better flathead are not watchdogs rather, they are public enemy #1. They will do whatever they can to halt growth and prevent business in flathead county.

             
          • TruthOrDare posted at 11:39 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

            TruthOrDare Posts: 15

            Citizens For a Better Flathead is about as extreme of a green group as you can get. Over the years, they have been opposed to ALL growth whether big or small. You will be hard pressed to find one project on open land this group has ever supported.

            The sole purpose for their existence is to STOP growth. Period.

             
          • luckygirl posted at 9:14 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            luckygirl Posts: 107

            help me out, rightofcenter. are you confusing me with someone else? orange dog, you're funny!

             
          • orange dog posted at 6:04 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            orange dog Posts: 104

            logical...its my freedom to sell my land the best way that i see fit. if an individual wants to build guns in his garage for a small home based business, there is nothing that says he cannot do that. we have home based businesses all over the place.

            now....if i have a piece of property lying on the outskirts of kalispell lining hwy 93 and i want to build a gun manufacturing company on it, im sure taht a lawsuit would follow from your cronies.

            Gil jordan and la chappelle (she will affectionatly be refered to as la la from now on) have the extreme citizens for a depressed flathead ideology. They want to be able to micro manage a persons piece of land and determine how it is developed. la la would be of the mind that a property owner shouldnt be able to dig up the land tht the individual owns and sell the resources taken from the property. One of jordans and la la's goals is to insure that development never happens betweern kalispell and whitefish. should these two ever get elected, i feel sorry for anyone owning land on the strip between said cities.

            lucky girl....orange dog wants to know, shouldnt you be spending time taking care of your puppies? and my regards to mr unlucky himself, Randy

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 5:22 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            Let's get back to what is important about this and that is that Gil Jordan and Clara Mears-LaChapelle are nothing but lapdogs for Citizens for a Bitter Flathead and their left wing extreme belief against individual property rights. Jordan and LaChapelle need to be rejected by anyone who believes in freedom. Here is what I posted below:

            It is important for voters to be aware that Democrats Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle are in bed with Citizens for a Bitter Flathead. Both signed Citizens protest form against the Flathead County Growth Policy update. The last thing we need in the County Commissioner office is these two Citizen for a Bitter Flathead cronies. Sigining that protest form shows that both Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle believe in the far left anti-freedom smart growth agenda. Their signature on that petition also shows that they are against property rights. Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle need to be totally rejected. They are both way too extreme to ever set foot in the County Commissioner office. It would be almost the same as putting Mayre Flowers herself in the Commissioner's office. Reject Jordan and LaChapelle.

             
          • LogicalOne posted at 5:09 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            LogicalOne Posts: 173

            Orange doggy nice boy sit.

            So you let's say you own a city block on 3rd Ave WN and Wyoming.... all residential for 100 years.
            You decide to sell to a dude that wants to tear down the houses and turn it into light rifle manufacturing with 50 employees. Thats your freedom? Your right as an American?

            If some one questions you.... you call them frivolous?

            Where are your "rights" as an American be violated in your world by the likes of CBF?

            Good dog.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 5:08 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            Gee luckygirl, speaking of weekly circle jerks, I bet you miss your Friday lunches with Jeff Harris, Mayre Flowers and her minions you used to have in the back of your office or with a conference call on the phone. God only knows what your little coffee clatch was cooking up against property owners of Flathead County other than the continuous attacks from the Brenenman/Harris attack on Flathead County property owners that we all observed. I'm glad you prefer things a little more north of the Flathead. Lincoln County is better suited for you anyway.

             
          • orange dog posted at 3:06 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            orange dog Posts: 104

            lucky girl...coexist? like the bumper sticker? placed all over liberals subarus? Im sorry, i dont "coexist" with those that seek to limit my freedoms as an american. these views are ones to be defeated. I wont sit around and pretend that we are all going to sing kumbaya together. Life is real and sometimes its real messy. if someone punches me in the face, im not going to coexist.

            i wonder lucky girl...is there a unlucky guy?

             
          • luckygirl posted at 2:29 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            luckygirl Posts: 107

            thanks for making my point, orange dog. you're a class act.

             
          • orange dog posted at 2:21 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            orange dog Posts: 104

            side effects? if treatment is available, the side effects are not good and many times may be ineffective or make the problem worse. Lack of hygiene is the main symptom. more times than not combs become harder to find and showers more painful to take because you are wasting water. finding a razor also becomes a problem, when you let one area of hygiene slip generally they all do. wool socks flowering/mushrooming from the top of hiking boots is anothr sysmtom, if shoes are worn at all. female side effects include a hatred of men in general and the inability to find a bra and wear it. others for all are
            spitting, spotting, bm's, gas, skin flake, stink, loss of taste (in everything), extremely overpaying for outdoor apparel, migraines and....oh, diareaha.

            oh, yes, of course diareaha.

             
          • luckygirl posted at 2:21 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            luckygirl Posts: 107

            thanks for the afternoon laughs, rightofcenter, maria, and other Flathead County nutbars. You guys should form a group so you can have a weekly circle jerk.

            the fear! the loathing! the ignorance! how any of you get through the day without dropping dead of an aneurism is beyond me. life's full of people who don't agree. most of us learn to coexist, be civil, and even become friends. it's called civilization. try joining it sometime. ps: sitting in front of your computer trolling forums doesn't count.

             
          • orange dog posted at 2:02 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            orange dog Posts: 104

            A question for Mrs flowers. did your house grow up in star meadows. did it sprout from the ground, from a seed into your mountain retreat. And if it did, did it have a sign on it "this house is for Mayre Flowers"? Or, did your house get built with locals tradesmen and materials in the past.

            members of this group have contracted a serious disease that has turned into a syndrome. the "I GOT MINE" syndrome. the symptoms are feelings of entitlement to control what others own and an immense distain for those who would seek to carve out their little piece of the flathead valley. the only relief that is available to this condition is spending 20 years interjecting anti property rights legislation placing fellow land owners in chains. From time to time, symptoms may surge due to the proposal of a shopping mall or zone change. The prescribed treatment for such flair ups is always a frivolous lawsuit.

             
          • orange dog posted at 1:49 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            orange dog Posts: 104

            there was someone posting earlier on another article that described land owners as "greedy"and that they should not be able to run for office. this person felt that land ownership was not something a individual should be able to do. I bet if you pressed hard enough, many in the ranks of citizens for a better flathead, would feel the same way. (all 10 of them). this person was placing their support for gil jodan and la chappell.
            the definition for communism is as follows:

            1. a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.
            2.a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party.

            the very thought that this group doest want me to be able to have a property owners bill of rights, so that i may use my land as i see fit is detestable. you see, this group and all other communist/liberals are always out trying to tell you that you can do something if they dont like it. they dont believe in guns so therefore dont want you to own a gun, they dont eat meat, so you shouldnt eat meat. some have even tried to ban speed boats on flathead lake. all in all, i think that their life is just so miserable that they would love to bring everyone else down to the lowest common denominator.

             
          • Transparency posted at 12:12 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Transparency Posts: 87

            Keep in mind, fellow citizens, that Democrat commission candidate, Gilbert V. Jordan embraces this outfit. This is right down his alley. He loves placing restrictions on property. He has done so with his own, deeding it over to a conservation
            easement, so he no longer pays the taxes.

            Gilbert V. Jordan doesn't have a real job. Jordan makes nothing, manufactures
            nothing and markets nothing. Gilbert V. Jordan adds nothing to the local
            economy.

            That is the way Jordan and Occupy freeloaders want it. That is also why
            Gilbert V. Jordan is trying to get onto the public payroll.

            Were Jordan to become a commissioner, he plans to use your money ---
            tax dollars ---to fund his socialist agenda and generally become a gadfly
            troublemaker.

            Let the voter beware!!

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 12:04 pm on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            It is important for voters to be aware that Democrats Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle are in bed with Citizens for a Bitter Flathead. Both signed Citizens protest form against the Flathead County Growth Policy update. The last thing we need in the County Commissioner office is these two Citizen for a Bitter Flathead cronies. Sigining that protest form shows that both Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle believe in the far left anti-freedom smart growth agenda. Their signature on that petition also shows that they are against property rights. Gil Jordan and Mears-LaChapelle need to be totally rejected. They are both way too extreme to ever set foot in the County Commissioner office. It would be almost the same as putting Mayre Flowers herself in the Commissioner's office. Reject Jordan and LaChapelle.

             
          • LogicalOne posted at 11:57 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            LogicalOne Posts: 173

            I rest my case.

            Hate lives in your head and your heart blocking all logic.

            I never said I agree with anything or everything CBF does.

            I disagree with old stogies like you who hate rather than agree with a good points or disagree with those of others rather than branding the messenger as a witch, nazi or other crap that infests your backward thinking.

            You not doing just what Jesus would do.... you hate people rather than disagree with doctrine.

            Is television Nazi as well since it brings alternative views into your community? Never mind, you probably think so.

            Change the channel in your head to the discovery channel will you?

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 11:15 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            IllogicalOne, why don't you move to Bozement with PiperPilot. But IllogicalOne I have one compliment for you, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler and Kim Jong Il would be proud of you and your support for Citiziens for a Communist Flathead.

             
          • deucehere posted at 11:03 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            deucehere Posts: 15

            CFBF has no redeeming features; they are simple put; monkey wrenchers. They use last hour tactics to stall government decisions. They provide reams of useless information or false statement in public comment. They cannot OK or YES because their vocal minority funding source will dry up.

             
          • Maria C posted at 11:00 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Maria C Posts: 48

            Why in the world would the Interlake feature this left wing nutbag and her underlings? On what planet does the Interlake think these fruitloops have an ounce of credibility?

            This green as grass pack of poppy sniffers want nothing more than to shut down Flathead County with government over-reach and over-regulation.

            Citizens for a better Flathead is nothing more than a public menace and should be treated as such.

             
          • LogicalOne posted at 10:53 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            LogicalOne Posts: 173

            OMG ROC!

            Now you brand citizens who exercise freedom of speech as "enemies" ? You are the epitome of an oxi-moron; more the later.

            So you drag in the Constitution to label those with opposing views? That is not even logical reasoning or a valid interpretation of that document.

            It starts out, "We the people", not "me the people" and continues with "in order to form a more perfect union, and provide "for the common welfare" before it even gets going.

            You brand everything you hate as "marxist,socialist, or communist". Those ideologies are nothing more than degrees of socialism.... just like social degrees of "union" and "general welfare" go back and refer to the subject of the preamble... WE THE PEOPLE.

            The USA was founded on "social" intermixed with personal freedoms. You need to stop wanting to go back the good old days you never lived. We don't kill, torture or persecute native inhabitants any longer.... unless you are 14 year old white girl in Billings sleeping in a family home with a meth user, (snark remark), or lynch outlaws with mob rule.

            Social rule allows all people of all persuasions to voice concerns, like them or not, without bigot vigilantes rounding them up and deporting them to some island with a despot for a ruler because you see no value in others' points of view.

            Go to a county commissioner or city hall meeting and ask those who you may have elected whether or not CBF has ever made presented any views they found useful in making their decisions. We can ask each other all day long, but it's at those government bodies you should direct that question.... try participating in the discourse instead of branding it as traitorous.

             
          • HPOfficeJet posted at 10:52 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            HPOfficeJet Posts: 54

            Oh good Lord. Here she goes again, trying to gain any measure of relevance.
            Mayre Flowers and this group of green nazis have one goal: Eliminate growth and property rights in Flathead County. It's as simple as that folks.

             
          • LittlePete posted at 10:48 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            LittlePete Posts: 45

            This tree humping group is dangerous to our way of life. Always has been, always will be.

             
          • Bonnie S posted at 10:45 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Bonnie S Posts: 43

            Citizens For A Bitter Flathead are trying to hide who they really are. This group would love nothing more than to park out 5500 square miles of Flathead County and slam the door.

            They are against tourism, business, logging, extraction of natural resources, and commerce of any kind. They detest the private property owner and would love nothing more than to eliminate property rights once and for all.

            Any group who goes after your rights like Citizens For A Bitter Flathead, are to be feared - but mostly, they are to be opposed with vigor at every opportunity.

             
          • ZipTie posted at 10:37 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            ZipTie Posts: 8

            CFBF are the most radical, green group to ever inflict their agenda on Flathead County.

            God help us if they ever manage to acquire one shred of credibilty.

             
          • Brick posted at 10:35 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Brick Posts: 17

            Citizens For A Better Flathead are OBSTRUCTIONISTS of the highest order. In 20 years, they have NEVER presented a viable solution to ANYTHING. They are an EMPTY HEAD.

            Their only goal is to stop growth, stop business, and eliminate private property rights. They have a socialist bent - always have, always will.

            Here's a good rule of thumb: If Citizens For A Better Flathead is for it....you should automatically be against it. Every time.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 10:34 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            Citizens for a Bitter Flathead has done nothing but divide our community. The smart growth agenda they push is part of the far left anti-freedom movement. The tactics of Citizens for a Bitter Flathead are no different on private land than what the extreme left wing anti-property rights leftists have done to our public lands with their lawsuits. If you like to see forests burning up and mismanagement of public lands just look at the comrads that attack our public lands.

            Smart Growth is a political agenda of the far left with the goal of packing and stacking everyone in the cities with the idea of forcing us to walk and ride bikes. In order for smart growth to work freedoms and choices have to be taken away. There is nothing they hate more than the damable internal combustion engine, except for their own hypocritical selves. Case in point Flowers lives out in the country in the Star Meadows area and drives her Subaru to town every day. It's ok for her, but not for the rest of us. She needs to live what she preaches and move into an apartment above the Kalispell Hotel.

            In response to Montanasense's nonsense, I will take the invisible hand of the market any day over Citizens for a Bitter Flatheads far left unsmart smart growth agenda any day.

             
          • Montanansense posted at 10:12 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Montanansense Posts: 5

            Citizens for a Better Flathead has done incredible good for this community.

            In 20 years NO ONE is going to be saying - thank god the commissioners and some out of town developer forced through another hideous shopping center on the highway that will close after a couple years and be just another empty eyesore. But CFBF's legacy of protecting the most fundamental things that make this community special - clean air and water, successful LOCAL businesses, well designed new development - will live on far into the future.

            There will always be those that are more interested in making a quick buck than thinking about future generations - thankfully we have a local organization that has the courage and foresight to stand up for what makes this valley the place we know and love.

            Keep up the good work!

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 9:49 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            We need to fight both enemies to freedom domestic or foreign. Citizens for a Communist Flathead are domestic enemies to freedom, period!!!!!

             
          • Spage posted at 9:46 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            Spage Posts: 32

            Can anyone please cite for me a major new commercial development or a major new subdivision project this group has ever advocated? I'm not referencing one where they advocated a 'redevelopment" of existing property but a new one where empty land was to be used? Just asking to understand if they generally just oppose everything.

             
          • JT posted at 9:42 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            JT Posts: 203

            You posters are giving Citizens for an Unemployed Flathead far too much credit. They do not try to provide vital balance to growth questions. They blindly work out of a set of rigid ideology that all growth and enterprise is harmful. Against every project, CFUF launches the same diatribe about how it will scorch the earth and pillage the heavens. There is no reasoning behind what they say or do, just ideological reflexes. I have never heard Mayre Flowers offer a reasonable objection to growth. I have on many occasions heard a woman who is bound by no moral or ethical compunctions lie blatantly to oppose good projects, seemingly thinking that the end justifies the means. I offer this indictment against CFUF: the organization is so "Mayried" to a radical political and world view that any good they could and should have accomplished has been mitigated by the complete lack of integrity in their message and methods. In short CFUF is a laughing stock for the intellectually honest and a frustration to the people trying to put this valley to work.

             
          • LogicalOne posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            LogicalOne Posts: 173

            On The Mark and Right of Center show the typical 1950's bigoted attitude that they think (by spewing all those outdated and mal-aligned and trumped up political rhetorics) will propitiate a place for them in those dreams of the past.

            Right, wrong or indifferent, people are moving forward, and if other people don't challenge their moves, question their motives, and make decision makers think twice, we would be routinely run over by government, business, special interests, and vocal minorities with projects which could do damage to your perfect world you wish you could have without these questioners discourse.

            The opposite is true.... the same "interests" could cause projects that have immense value to society be thwarted do to crabby waywards like you two harping on them.

            ROC you ask, why don't they move to that special place you imagine exists for "communists". You two are living in a fantasy world. Please join the rest of us and embrace our freedom.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 8:44 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            Mayre Flowers and CFBF spew the typical propaganda of the far left marxist extremist that she is. Anti-business/anti-property rights anti-american to the core. Everything that makes this country great she and her little marxist organization are against. This questions has been asked before, why don't these communist/socialist/marxists in CFBF move to a place more akin to their beliefs? There are many communist/socialist countries in the world which they would fit in with like a glove.

             
          • pnaMT posted at 7:19 am on Sun, Oct 14, 2012.

            pnaMT Posts: 7

            Citizens fro a Better Flathead has done so much good work in it's 20 years of life. Thank you Mayre for always being there, and for remaining your calm, reasonable sunny self through it all. You are amazing!

            Here's to the next 20 years!

             
          • JT posted at 11:47 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

            JT Posts: 203

            Citizens for an Unemployed Flathead.

             
          • deucehere posted at 10:18 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

            deucehere Posts: 15

            ROC
            How about trying to understand the group that stopped 4 lane expansions in the canyon; it only cost a few lives and tax dollars. Have about a little compassion for the group that delayed highway 93 10 years it only cost double and a few more lives.. Try to find a place where you are not angry at the group that helped bring Las Vegas Jeff to town. Try not to hate the group that helped commissioner Brennaman make a 3 million dollar booboo. Try not to want to give the group that fought the Town Center Mall a great big snuggy. screw i Ah heck with it, feed them to the wolves.

             
          • gehugh posted at 10:06 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

            gehugh Posts: 76

            Citizens for a Better Flathead functions as a vehicle for the necessary checks and balances in our valley's growth issues. I salute the challenges they face in keeping responsible urban growth up front and center and in the public eye. ROC get off your high horse and get involved in YOUR valley's livlihood instead of contributing to its degredation from where your fat @!& sits.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 7:26 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            Citizens for a Better Flathead is nothing but a marxist, anti-property rights/anti-business extreme left wing group funding by out of state green radical foundation money. These people should move to another country more in tune with their beliefs like Communist China or Cuba. They have done nothing but divide our county and pit neighbors against neighbors and neighborhoods against neighborhoods. They are the most divisive thing to happen to Flathead County in its history. Their group is bad for business and bad for property owners. But that is to be expected because isn't that the truth for all communist/socialist ideas and movements?

             

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