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Posted: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:11 am

A Glacier High School freshman has been expelled until the end of the quarter for his role in an alleged assault on a football bus.

After a three-hour hearing, the Kalispell school board voted 8-3 late Tuesday to keep the student out of school for the remainder of the current quarter. He also must complete a behavioral plan laid out by the school.

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          68 comments:

          • glacierdad posted at 9:58 am on Fri, Oct 21, 2011.

            glacierdad Posts: 21

            With officer Jason Parce's investigation completed 2 weeks ago, it appears our County Attorneys are dragging their feet. The school corporation welcomes the offenders back to school, and then promotes an agenda of minimizing the crimes, and coercing the victims and their families to meet with accussed and their families for a "restorative" meeting. Their way of saying, get over it.

            I find this approach insensitive and overreaching. The school system would be well advised to back off, and the County Attorneys to bring charges as recommended by the thorough report of Officer Jason Parce. Anything less will only encourage further assaults on our children.

            I urge concerned citizens to call Ed Corrigan at Ph (406) 758-5630. Sexually assaulting children is a crime and we expect charges to be brought. If our elected officials will not protect our children by punishing those that sodomize and molest them, we need new elected officials!


            .

             
          • coprguy posted at 8:13 am on Thu, Oct 20, 2011.

            coprguy Posts: 5

            Everyone is entitled to their opinion about what happened on that bus. I was not on the bus, so I can't say what happened. I try to look at what is known, not what is speculated to form my opinion. What is known is that the school district conducted an investigation and determined something happened serious enough to warrant an expulsion. The police department conducted an investigation and determined something happened serious enough to warrant criminal charges. The police investigation was concluded on September 28th, it is still not known if the county attorney is going to pursue the charges. My question is what is delaying this?

             
          • MTgirl00 posted at 3:42 pm on Wed, Oct 19, 2011.

            MTgirl00 Posts: 7

            I still just cannot believe that this kid is getting back in school and it angers me greatly. I just cannot imagine seeing the people who violated me everyday. @toomuchdrama, BREAKING NEWS: this kid was assaulted, do you think that maybe that would have something to do with him acting out or fighting. Maybe he was being made fun of for coming forward or for what happened to him.
            I just really am sad that anyone would defend this kid or any of the other kids that were involved in this assault. They all need to be in counseling and homeschooled until this has gone to court and the guilty or innocent verdict is read. Not that that will mean the victims will get justice, but there is a chance.

             
          • bumblebee posted at 11:25 am on Mon, Oct 17, 2011.

            bumblebee Posts: 6

            please think about the victims here!

             
          • justice and mercy posted at 1:02 am on Mon, Oct 17, 2011.

            justice and mercy Posts: 1

            I think it is prudent to be wary of the boy who will be soon returning to the school and future sporting events. Before I knew of his character, I saw him play in one of the first freshman football games of the season, I thought to myself..."gotta keep that player healthy." Then I went home and mentioned to my GHS student,"Wow, that kid is good! (meaning he's good at playing football). My GHS student said, who doesn't usually say negative things about school or people said, "Yeah, but mom he is not a good person." When I asked my GHS student to tell me what was meant by that statement, he/she wouldn't at that point. This was before I became biased by any incident involving this student.

            In addition, cameras at sporting events need to be trained on him constantly by parents attending future sporting events. I base this statement on what I have observed (and from what IMLISTN said about him in hocky), because of his pattern of ignoring rules, which result in penalties and/or student injuries. These cameras should be a check and balance until he can prove himself to be consistent with conforming to the sporting rules.

            At the same time, I hope he feels genuine sorry for his mistakes and returns a changed person. If he has a changed attitude and changed pattern of behavior we should not make his life hell, but try to help him become the good person he can become.

            However, I think the lack of compassion for the victims on these comments is appalling. So sorry for those boys and the parents.

             
          • glacierdad posted at 9:32 pm on Sun, Oct 16, 2011.

            glacierdad Posts: 21

            I guess all sexual assault and rape victims should get tgether with their attacakers and make nice. NOT!!! The school system and school board are being very heavy handed in forcing the victims to accept the molestation as no big deal. This was and still remains a criminal act for which charges should be forthcoming from the prosecuting attorney.

            I truly hope that the the families of the victims are seeking legal counsel. It would appear that a civil suit against the school system is in order here. The school system's coersive agenda of pushing the victims and their families to get over it and move on is obvious here. Allowing the assaulters back to school despite police determining their acts to be criminal. Now let's all get together and make nice.

            I find their approach insensitive and overreaching. The school system would be well advised to back off. I am shocked that we as a community are allowing this repulsive agenda to be crammed down out throats. This apprach will only encourage further assaults on our children. UNACCEPTABLE!!!

             
          • mrssmith posted at 12:24 pm on Sun, Oct 16, 2011.

            mrssmith Posts: 1

            Bullying, there is too much of this going on with kids these days. I believe there should be a no bullying allowed at all school. 1 time bullying you are ex-spelled.....gone. School is a place to learn not be treated bad. I feel horrible for what this kid went through, mentally and physically. now has to face the people involved at school. those bully's should be gone. EVERYONE involved I don't care if you were the one actually assaulting or watching or holding him down shame on you, you are all guilty. You all deserve a equal punishment. At this point in your life you should know right from wrong, and the person who actually sexual assaulted the other person, I find this very disgusting, what would ever make you think to do this. I am not sure if I want my child going to public school, If you do something wrong the consequences are a slap on the hand and parents backing up for there kids for doing wrong. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.

             
          • Happy Camper posted at 10:32 am on Sat, Oct 15, 2011.

            Happy Camper Posts: 16

            74Brave, come on, this is a very serious incident whether we know the whole story or not but grammar/spelling should be the least of the issues.

             
          • princeton77 posted at 9:55 am on Sat, Oct 15, 2011.

            princeton77 Posts: 8

            @flyfish. Thank you for again mentioning FAPE. In my dealings with the school district, I have been told "the safety of all of our students is of the utmost importance" regardless of who the child is, or whether they have disabilities, or issues outside of the school. It does not appear to me that the safety of not only the child who was the victim in this incident, but other students as well, was not taken into consideration.

            As far as the child who was backed into a corner and defended himself, I would like to know when was it decided that Americans no longer have the right to self-defense? Should the trauma that this child already went through be further compounded by being harassed at school? I bet he didn't feel too safe at school when this happened. He stood up for himself and defended himself, so why should he be penalized?

            I would have to say that right now, I have several big concerns. First and foremost is the child who was the victim in this. No one has any idea what he may be going through or might continue going through for many years. Secondly, what about the child who allegedly committed the assault? Has anyone considered what might have caused him to do something like this? Could he possibly be a repeat offender?

            My concern for the future is what kind of precedent will this set for students attending GHS or FHS in the years to come? As parents, will we have to worry about something like this happening to our child? Or if our child is being bullied and/or harassed (in spite of all the anti-bullying programs and policies in effect) will we have to worry that they will not be allowed the right to defend themselves or receive appropriate help from school staff members?

            I agree with many people on this board that there are separate investigations going on and that there is a lot of information that we are either unaware of or has been misrepresented. I think people should not be worried about placing blame, and should be more concerned about the feelings and effects of the students involved, as well as how this incident is handled could affect students in the future.

             
          • HamNeggs posted at 8:50 am on Sat, Oct 15, 2011.

            HamNeggs Posts: 79

            flyfish- you asked the question "So why is this Glacier Football coach getting off so easy." And you started your post off with.... "It is my understanding that there were two separate investigations, one by the district superintendent and one by the SRO (police officer). The SRO may have information and evidence that the district does not have." Good enough answer for you? There have been two investigations so obviously there wasn't enough evidence to find that coach was guilty of a crime.

            It's probably time that some of you on this board stop trying to dig for the 'real' reason behind what happened, and stop trying to place the blame on everybody. So far I've seen posters blaming the following people/positions: Frosh Coach, Frosh Volunteer on the Bus, Bus Driver, Players (Including the Victims!), Head Coach Bennett and the Entire Glacier Football Staff, Superintendent, Parents (of Both the Perps and the Victims), Other Glacier Staff/Coaches/Teachers/AD (for creating and nurturing this kind of environment), Whoever choose the Wolf Pack mascot (because it has OBVIOUSLY led to these boys acting as rabid wolves in pack). I probably missed a few, but hopefully you get the point. Wake up people. The blame game has gotten WAY out of hand.

             
          • IMLISTN posted at 11:48 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            IMLISTN Posts: 4

            anybody who believes the "story being told" that the perpetrator has never been in a fight, please pull your head out of your a** now. the perpetrator is an overly aggressive kid who brags that he led his hockey league in penalty box minutes. he believes he can say and do whatever he wants to whoever he wants whenever he wants, ice rink or baseball field or football field or school bus. to him boundaries do not exist. and no; toomuch, AA football camp in Billings is not considered a school sponsored event, which really had nothing to do with my point anyway.

             
          • flyfish posted at 11:01 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            flyfish Posts: 201

            It is my understanding that there were two seperate investigations, one by the district superintendent and one by the SRO (police officer). The SRO may have information and evidence that the district does not have.
            Also how do you seperate the actions of these offenders, 6 boys were involved in this, if one is charged with sexual assault then the other 5 should be charged for aiding in the assault. How do you just charge one with accountability and let the other 4 walk?
            The FAPE laws apply to all students not just the victims, this puts the district in a very touchy position. The administration had prior to the expultion meeting allowed 5 of these offenders back into the school how does the board then keep the sixth one out. Remember it was 6 boys that did this not just one. I find it hard to believe that when these assaults were going on the boys that were holding the victims down were not aware of what was happening, In every major gang rape case in this country in the last 20 years all particpants have been charged, even the ones who did not actually commit the rape.
            Also this week in Chicago a coach watched a group of his players beat up another student who they thought had stolen some shoes. Because the coach did nothing to stop it he has been charged with accountability to assault. So why is this Glacier Football coach getting off so easy.
            With the state and federal laws that protect minors, I doubt the real story of what happened on that bus that night will ever come out. All we as a community can do is hope that this is handled properly by the school district and the judicial system. the victims in this need to be heard and not ignored. When some of these posters on here are villifying the victims I really start to loose faith in my neighbors.
            To the parents of the boys who did the assaulting, instead of blaming the victims or trying to make it sound like it was overblown, take a hard look at your parenting skills. It may answer some of those nagging questions you have about if your son could really do something like this. The answers are, yes they could, yes they did, and yes you are partially to blame.

             
          • 74Brave posted at 5:01 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            74Brave Posts: 14

            Bumblebee...please do something about your spelling...my god it made my head hurt just trying to read your post.

            Here is a little trick that may help:

            Write your comment and then copy/paste it into a word document and use "spell checker" to correct the errors.

             
          • PerpetuallyOptimistic posted at 4:29 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            PerpetuallyOptimistic Posts: 30

            BREAKING NEWS!!!!

            One of the "offended" was backed into a corner and harrassed, defended himself and was then suspended for school for 3 days.

            Another one of the "offended" was challenged to a fight by one of the "perps" on a bus (wow! another bus driver asleep on the job).

            So much for all the "safeguards" that are being put into place to protect the victims.

             
          • toomuchdrama posted at 3:37 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            toomuchdrama Posts: 4

            IMLISTN

            for your information it WAS a school sponsored event. thats why they almost got kicked off the football team. one more thing, you really think I'm a Glacier parent? REALLY? Ew.

             
          • toomuchdrama posted at 3:35 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            toomuchdrama Posts: 4

            BREAKING NEWS

            The number one accuser of this incident, or "victim" has just been KICKED OUT OF SCHOOL FOR FIGHTING. the "perp" has never been in ONE fight.

            hmmmmmm i don't think stories are being told correctly here....

             
          • princeton77 posted at 1:12 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            princeton77 Posts: 8

            I must say I am getting thoroughly disgusted with people and this incident. These are the things that bother me the most and I find most pertinent.

            1) The public school system has certain guidelines in place (many of these stem from federal laws). A key law is that each student is guaranteed a Free and Appropriate Public Education (FAPE) - part of this includes the safety of each student. It is the school district's responsibility to see to the safety of each and every student. I have been informed in the past by school district personnel that if one child is doing something that puts the safety of other student's at risk (or in fact does something to cause harm to another student) that it is a big issue. I would have to say that in this case someone was harmed, their safety put at risk, and I would think their future safety is also at risk.

            2) Much of what I hear is people talking about what did happen, what they think happened, what their opinion of how the situation should be handled is, and who the responsible party or parties are. Why doesn't anyone ask about the young man harmed in this incident? Not only could he have suffered physical trauma, but what about the mental and psychological trauma and repercussions? Can anyone honestly say that this young man is going to be just fine and can go to school function "normally" and feel "safe" at his school with the individuals who did whatever they did to him right there every day? I cannot even begin to think what this young man is going through - not to mention what his parents must be thinking and feeling.

            3) As far as criminal charges being brought against one or more of the individuals involved, this process takes time. Each attorney in the county attorney's office has multiple cases to handle. They are responsible for investigating, talking to all the individuals involved, and gathering information relative to the case. While they are doing this, they still need to continue working on previous cases, and are still receiving new cases. These things take time, and as there are minors involved, there are more people involved and more things to take into consideration. One of my biggest questions right now is that there were several individuals involved. In everything else, other people involved in a criminal activity can and are charged as accomplices with aiding and abetting. I would think that the individuals that held this young man down were helping, therefore they should be to some degree held responsible.

            4) As far as the school district goes, I am shocked that individuals believe that the student who "allegedly assaulted" the other student should be back in school! What happened to keeping students safe? Why do they believe this student should be back in school? What this student did was not "horseplay" nor was it "boys will be boys". This is far beyond and the school should take a more active and severe approach.

            I can honestly say that if this happened to my son, I would not be sitting by quietly. I don't know what I would do, but I can say that I would raise holy hell if this happened to my son, and would be even more irate if the student who hurt my son this way was allowed to return to school. As parents we want to protect our children the best we can. When we send our children to school, we are entrusting our children to the school who has told us that our children's safety is of the utmost importance - I would feel the school has broken this trust. Responsibility and accountability for this incident need to be taken and appropriate measures put into effect - it should also be considered that the young man who is the victim will need extensive counseling over this event and it should either be offered and paid for by the school district or as part of the restitution of the individual who committed the act.

             
          • jeancalvinus posted at 1:09 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            jeancalvinus Posts: 327

            Glacier dad

            here here.

            If it HAD been boy on girl, the perps would be launched and never allowed back. WHY is it OK since it was boy on boy?

            the kids are watching. and learning.

             
          • glacierdad posted at 12:36 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            glacierdad Posts: 21

            The police officer who interviewed everyone involved asked that the prosecutor to bring charges against two of the students. Those recommended charges are sexual assault and accomplice to same. As a community we must decide if sexual assault/sodomy is a reasonable right of passage for our children to participate in high school sports. If not, we should be screaming at the high school coaching staff and principal for a gross lack of supervision, the school board for even thinking of letting the accussed back in the high school, and the prosecuting attorney to get on with bringing charges. The school board's decision to let this student back in school is an outrage. UNACCEPTABLE!!! Don't they realize this only validates this behavior and makes the school system more vulnerable to civil suits as they are showing a wanton disregard for the rights of the victims. The message to future victims is suffer in silence because we will not support you! And mark my words, there will be future victims. Our children are watching and so far the adults in this situation are failing them miserably.
            T

             
          • Partyer posted at 12:16 pm on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            I think that was j-o-e-s-p-h, not j-o-s-e-p-h.
            Anyway, I can't completely disagree with him calling it gay sexual assault. If it was assault, (alleged, yes) and it involved privates, I guess it was sexual. If it was sexual assault, one boy on another, well that sounds kind of gay to me. Only a certain mindset "proudly" claims it's "OK". In other words a growing faction out there might march under a rainbow banner preaching what we think happened there is perfectly tolerable activity.
            Maybe a behavioral expert would have a better explanation. Meanwhile, I'm here to say that the incident that supposedly occurred was, at least, perverted. I don't want him back in school Monday, Mrs. Bailey. Unless that behavior expert could convince me otherwise, I fear he needs help.

             
          • 59901 posted at 11:45 am on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            59901 Posts: 47

            Joseph, The court, let alone the prosecutor's office, haven't yet determined or alleged that this was sexual assault, much less categorized that it is "gay". Upon what evidence are you determing and stating as fact (not even alleging) that this is what you absolutely say it is? I am so glad people like you and many of the posters here are not running our judicial system - we would have people hanging from every tree in town based on rumors and misrepresentations of actual facts.

            The next time you challenge somebody's intelligence, you may want to do a better job of displaying your own by learning how to spell fancy words like "ENtrust" and use proper grammar to call somebody "AN idiot".

            You have a nice day, too.

             
          • mom posted at 11:14 am on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            mom Posts: 629

            Public school is just that, Steel. Public. It's kids from all walks of life. God only knows what kind of parenting they've had. You get the good with the bad. Parents, that is. There's no such thing as a bad kid, so they say.
            As with the public toilet, someone has to keep it clean, 'cause everyone who uses it says "it's not my job."
            I think I'd rather be the urinal polisher than the high school teacher any day.

             
          • montanajb posted at 10:46 am on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            montanajb Posts: 51

            I really hate what our country is coming to. I agree that there needs to be some punishment doled out here, to the people involved in the incident. The coaches resigned, if they hadn't on their own, fire them. Punishment done. The attackers, kicked off the team expelled, jailed, any or all of the above is great, they are the real culprits here. It seems the first thing people start talking about is lawsuits. Why, so they can get a free ride. Who are they talking about suing? The high school, why because they have more money than the attacker. Yeah it was a school function and people are going to make their argument that they are ultimately responsible. In my own opinion, that statement is BS. If the school board was down there taking turns on these kids, I would say go ahead, but make the punishment count for something, sue the criminal defendents, not who has the most money just because you can bend laws and feelings to make some third party who is somewhat related to the incident accountable for something they have no control over.

             
          • SteelCon posted at 10:21 am on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            SteelCon Posts: 42

            Assign some more Police Officers to the Public Schools.

            Public School ................ synonmous with "public toilet" or "public urninal"

            School Trustees? Public Fools.

            Expect Home Schooling and Private Christian Schools to pick up another, 20 30 students over this, over time.

             
          • joesph posted at 6:46 am on Fri, Oct 14, 2011.

            joesph Posts: 16

            This was not just childish bullying, this was gay sexual assault on a child intrusted to the GHS system. Not only should the persons involved in the attack be punished but the administrative and faculty members involved ( by their negligence) be dismissed . Not to mention the civil law suit should be huge.
            Anything less is a stamp of approval on this type of behavior and guarantee that it will continue. Oh and to those that might disagree with me, I may not have time to respond to you soon so let me just say " your a idiot" and have a nice day.

             
          • OldRRer posted at 8:59 pm on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            OldRRer Posts: 39

            It seems everyone is trying to rate the degree of what happened. Bottomline is something happened that should not have happened. Things that shouldn't happen, happen all the time in the world, but it shouldn't take away from the guilty parties being held accountable. It won't do any good to keep rehashing the problem. Effort and energy needs to be placed on finding a solution or future prevention of such things.

             
          • IMLISTN posted at 11:11 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            IMLISTN Posts: 4

            jeancal.....almost sure kris-pist is at Glacier, and may also be a coach, which means he's in the......boys ......locker ......room with YOUR KIDS!

             
          • jeancalvinus posted at 10:41 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            jeancalvinus Posts: 327

            Sad thing is, kris-pist is a high school teacher (not sure if it's glacier or flathead). Your kids are taught by this clown, which makes you wonder what kind of bullying and intimidation he lets happen in his sphere of influence.

            That's right, kris-pist is alone with YOUR KIDS, and thinks involuntary sexual penetration (which is what the LAW calls it, kris) by one student on another is not that big a deal and "blown out of proportion." Maybe we should ask the school board for permission to question him on his philosophy, in a public meeting.

            Keep running your mouth Kris-pist and maybe we'll make it happen. Back off. We pay your salary.

             
          • donho posted at 10:40 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            donho Posts: 188

            After reading articles stating the police department has recommended charges against two of the juveniles, and nothing is attempted or brought to the public's attention, then as a parent of any of the offended students, I would be conferring with an attorney, and bring these issues out in public court, instead of letting them be controled and edited by the school administration for possible attempts to sweep under the rug, and focus attention from their own faliures and deceptions from the truth being exposed.

             
          • bumblebee posted at 10:24 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            bumblebee Posts: 6

            Are you guys seriouse???
            kids were molested.... and your saying that its not as seriouse as they made it out to be.. im sorry but my sister was the girl on that bus and im pretty damn sure she wasnt lieing.. i know the detals i was there.. and all you people saying they are exaterating.. you should be ashamed of your self!! you wanna know what happend... ill freaking tell you what happen..

            they were on there way home from a game... it was night time.. the coachs were sleeping.. 6 kids were holding down another kid.. (i know the names of them all.. but for there privicy im not going to say) what they did was aueful!! but sence you people seem to think its not a big deel i might as well say it... they stuck there hand up there butt!! and did it more then once with great force!! my sister woke up the coachs cause they sad lets get the helpers next....... so all you who think that it wasnt a big deel think about how some young boy was molested by another teem mate... !!!! you all who think this isnt as much as a big deel as its made out to be discusted me!!

             
          • wingedpig posted at 10:22 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            wingedpig Posts: 12

            an accomplice is an accomplice whether it is robbery, or sexual assault. I agree that all the students involved should be held accountable equally.

             
          • janie posted at 10:08 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            I have read everyones comments regarding this and I myself have voiced my opinion now I have to wonder if being able to comment isn't counter productive. I believe everyone has their right under freedom of speech. Facts not supositon should be the only consideration, it is true that one can be tried in the media. The bigger picture is how to stop this from ever happening again.

             
          • truthspeaks posted at 9:49 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            Six boys involved, but depending on "leval of participation" their expulsions varied. Depending on who you parents or last name is how this was really determined. Two boys are turning out to be the sapegoats. Yes they were involved and yes they need to be held accountable, but so do the other four. They are just as guilty. Call the county attorney's office and request that they consider all or nothing. Accountability should be shared by all six as they were holding down the victims and more than likely participating more than was said by some.

             
          • alliknow posted at 9:30 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            alliknow Posts: 1

            youdontknow, you're right, I didn't know....and I shouldn't have needed to know. I am a mother of a 15 yr old freshman myself, and I'm truly sorry and heartbroken for your boy. He obviously has strong support at home, and I hope he has it at school as well. For what it's worth, there are a lot of us out here who believe he should hold his head high and know that he (and you) did the right thing in reporting the incident. How the media has handled it is another story... GHS has some serious issues to work out.

             
          • apottersdaughter posted at 9:22 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            apottersdaughter Posts: 20

            Wow - I also feel this article was not written well. I feel for everyone involved in this, students and the parents dealing with all the ramifications. This situation is being tried in the paper. I find it interesting how there is no mention of the victims in this case or whether or not they are getting help. An alleged incident like this happened and was swept under the carpet before so how do you trust the school board had made the right decision for this specific case? One thing that does stand out to me in this article and I would like to know, why wasn’t the sanitized version of the investigation provided like promised. This is the age that kids look at suicide because they feel that they have NO other means or cannot turn to anyone else… Regardless of what parents have taught or think. A lot of kids and adult lives are forever changed.

             
          • posted at 9:02 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            Posts:

            Hello I2186s: Thanks for your question about why the name of the suspect in this story has not been in the paper. The answer is quite straight-forward. The sexual-assault suspect has not been charged with a crime and we have not been given his name in any official capacity. In the marijuana-brownie case, the name was provided almost immediately by law enforcement.

            Frank Miele, Managing Editor

             
          • IMLISTN posted at 8:26 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            IMLISTN Posts: 4

            i, for one, am so glad that krispistofferson is combatting ignorance for all of us. we can all sleep a lot easier. please enlighten me, oh wise krispistofferson, why does glacier want him back in school? is it because he is an honor student? no, barely got IN to high school? respectful to his fellow students? ooooh, scratch that, probably not. please help me kris, trying to figure this out is hurtin' my thinker.

             
          • l2186s posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            l2186s Posts: 57

            Yep this is definetety wrong and the proper course of action was taken. One question to the editor. THis summer when a KID was arrested for selling marijuana laced brownies the KIDs name was in the paper almost every day for several months.. THis article however it's "the boy" "youth" etc.. Only question is WHY this time do we hold the suspects name out of the article. I understand why the victims or witness names are not released but a suspects name in a sexual assault case?????? Selling brownies at a party or sexual assault??? Im confused. Looking to the editor for an explanation....

             
          • wingedpig posted at 7:31 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            wingedpig Posts: 12

            I wonder....What if the sexual assualt had happened to one of the girls on the bus? Would the comment posts be different? Would you want to have your daughter face her attacker in the school halls everyday?

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 6:12 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            It's a tough job Brave man but somebody has to do it. And it has nothing to do with anger, just combating ignorance.

             
          • 74Brave posted at 4:34 am on Thu, Oct 13, 2011.

            74Brave Posts: 14

            Hey....krispistofferson. ...why are you so angry all the time? It seems like all of your posts have nothing to do with the topic at hand but are instead just personal attacks on those that express thier own points of veiw.

            Kind of ironic that this whole situation is about those in our society that think that it is OK to attack and bully other around them. Your comments are just an example of what happens when the high school bullies grow up.

            You can't push and shove people around in the hall ways any more so you push and shove them around on the comment pages.

            Bullies never grow up...they just grow old (and usually alone too.)

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 11:41 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            To the guy posting below this.....Saying Glacier wants him back because of his athletic skills is THE most ignorant thing I've read on Interlake comments and there's been plenty to choose from. In fact that comment is beyond ignorant...quite an achievement.

             
          • IMLISTN posted at 10:46 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            IMLISTN Posts: 4

            "too much", how do you know the Flathead situation was completely blown out of proportion? By who? The victim in that incident didn't press charges, those students weren't suspended/expelled, etc., because it wasn't a school sponsored function. I think you just wanted to mention that something "similar" happened at Flathead, because you're a Glacier 'high horse' parent. P.S. The 2 high schools may be neck and neck in drug bust and other minor crimes, however, at this point I believe that if sexual assault was HS sport, Glacier would be winning 1 - 0 (you must be so proud)!

            "hatin", don't know where to start. Usually the biggest hypocrits are the people who say they hate hypocrits. Yeah, i think that applies. You think this whole thing was 'horseplay' and these 'big football players' should have been able to protect themselves. I got news for ya, not all 15 year old football players are big. As freshman they haven't weeded out the meek/week/unworthy from the 'pack' yet.

            anyway, as far as the little criminal, he thinks he can do and say whatever he wants to whoever he wants. hopefully, the courts will give him the wakeup call he needs. It's pretty obvious Glacier High just wants him back in school and it isn't because he's a gifted student who loves school, it's because he's a gifted athlete.

             
          • PerpetuallyOptimistic posted at 9:45 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            PerpetuallyOptimistic Posts: 30

            That was quite a bit of "horseplay" to warrent 2 coaches resigning, 7 weeks of suspension for the main "fall guy" and varying days of suspension for the other alleged perps and enough evidence to demand a sexual assualt charge.

             
          • MTgirl00 posted at 8:58 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            MTgirl00 Posts: 7

            What in the heck is wrong with some of you people? Don't you have any sympathy or empathy for the victim in this situation? Have you ever been attacked and forced to see your attacker every day? True that we don't know what happened, but you have to give the victim some credit for coming forward. I cannot believe some of the things that are being said here. Until the trial is done and over with, this kid should not be allowed anywhere near the victim. Have a little empathy and put yourself in the shoes of the kid who came forward, or his parents shoes for that matter. This is exactly why bullying constantly happens, because the one being bullied is afraid no one will believe him. Very sad.

             
          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 6:07 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            good points Sam Adams....let me be very clear....if this DID happen to one of my kids I would indeed be outraged, livid and standing by my child at all costs (although I would not be suing the school district or holding the administration responsible)...this became a forum of public opinion where all the allegations were being presented as facts and the "perp" in question was tried and convicted by the accusers supporters and a community rallying behind them without hearing both sides of the story. Nothing wrong with that just as there's nothing wrong with one showing support and belief in the accused.

             
          • Sam Adams posted at 5:50 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            I still don't understand why none of these eight victims were willing or able to defend themselves. A bus full of football players that won't fight back? None of this adds up... Maybe the kids didn't fight back because they were afraid they would get in trouble if they did. Maybe this is the school's fault because of their stupid rule that says both participants in a fight get disciplined... not just the instigator. Maybe the best way we can protect our kids is to remind them of their God-given inalienable right to defend themselves because all these anti-bullying posters don't seem to be working too well. Just maybe.

             
          • Happy Camper posted at 5:38 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            Happy Camper Posts: 16

            I'm not too familiar with this story and I don't have kids in the local schools so I can only send my sincere sympathy to the kids and families that received this horrible treatment. How sad that this has to happen to anyone much less a child of any age and the parents that have to get the child through this event, now and the rest of their life. My prayaers for all those involved, that you get counseling for whatever you are dealing with.

             
          • aunt to lots posted at 5:20 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            aunt to lots Posts: 2

            We'll see how you feel when one of your children go through something as horrendous as this and you see the comments of misinformed people. Believe me I know a lot more about what happened then most. Your opinion and comments of people like you are why so many of us as parents of these children are outraged. God be with you if your turn comes !!!

             
          • CRep posted at 5:00 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            CRep Posts: 17

            To ~youdontknow~ It took a lot for you to write what you did and an applause to you for standing up for your son! Ignore what people say you know your son and standing by him is the thing he needs.

             
          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 4:46 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            Aunt to lots.....I did not say I do not believe my own children....but you will read into this what you have your mind made up to. I have the intelligence and maturity to know that kids can let emotions skew their perspectives of events and not ALWAYS be 100% truthful. I am very proud of the parent that I am, mistakes and all, and have respect from my kids and many others because I balance my parenting with love, respect and appropriate discipline. And I am not naive enough to think my kids might not exaggerate or embellish on occasion....most kids would even ADMIT to this! Obviously this is not a black and white case and when it comes to the LIFE of a 15 yr old kid the facts certainly need to be more than what was reported. "Aunt to lots", you were not on the bus either and are using the limited amount of information you have to believe the accusers and I am doing the same in choosing not to believe them. The majority of the kids involved are stunned at what a big deal this turned into because they DO KNOW what happened.

             
          • aunt to lots posted at 3:41 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            aunt to lots Posts: 2

            Seems to me that hatinhypocrisy is anything but. You say that nobody knows what happened on that bus in one breath and with the next proceed to tell us what the moral standards and actions of the kids on the bus were. Excuse me but were you on that bus? I personally believe the stories of the boys that were attacked. It's unfortunate that you do not. From your on words you don't believe your own children. Could be possible that the boy that is accused of the brunt of this has a parent like you. Quite possibly something like this has happened to him in the past, but nobody believed him. Sad situation all the way around.

             
          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 2:27 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            false accusations happen every day. It is too far of a stretch to believe that these boys did what "youdontknow" ALLEGES. And the fact that it has been narrowed down to ONE fall guy is even more unbelievable. There were too many GOOD kids of strong moral character and physical strength on that bus to allow what you described to happen. I am sorry for your situation but I agree that NONE of us know what happened on that bus....not even the parents.

             
          • toomuchdrama posted at 2:26 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            toomuchdrama Posts: 4

            ps. to "mom" there are bad kids who come from Montessori. get off your high private school horse.

             
          • toomuchdrama posted at 2:25 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            toomuchdrama Posts: 4

            too bad the Daily Interlake NEVER gets ANY story right. yet people still read it like a bible. anyone remember the "sexual assault" issue from flathead students 2 summers ago? same story different school. oh and what do you know, COMPLETELY blown out of proportion. and amen to whoever said people are reading the Interlake and think they're experts on the story. seriously people, don't flatter yourselves. ps, you may be a father of a "victim" but people can bully by words too. kids lie all the time to get other kids in trouble. this is actually insane. please stop being so naive.

             
          • youdontknow posted at 2:00 pm on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            youdontknow Posts: 3

            I said I wasn't going to do this, but I can't sit here and read this stuff anymore. NONE of you know what happened on that bus! Everyone reads what was put in the paper, or goes off what they saw on the news, or maybe they heard something from a kid that goes to the school and all of a sudden you think your an expert. However, until it is your child that is grabbed from his seat, told that if he did or said anything he will get beat even worse later, then is taken to the back held down and has a "team mate" stick his fingers so far in his butt that he gets stains all the way through to his pants, and hurts so bad that it brings tears to his eye's. All the time the other boy's standing around, his "team mates", are laughing at him. Then to go back to school and look these other kids in the eye on a daily basis and pretend like nothing happened, and are expected to concentrate on every day activities. You tell me that if this type of thing happened to you or far WORSE, YOUR CHILD, how would you react to the people that you trusted to keep your son safe when they tell you that they are going to put the one who did this to him right back in same class room with him and there's nothing you can do about it. And before any of you start to think that I'm just throwing things out that I've heard, I am a father of one of the victims, I know the truth, and had this been an adult that did this to my child he would be in jail for this CRIME.

             
          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 11:57 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            "boredinkali" enough said...you are obviously "bored" and getting involved in something you know very little about. I'm not "pretending" anything. I hope someday YOU are falsely accused of something and YOU have to prove your innocence despite the assumption of innocence until PROVEN guilty. There is no proof here. Period. And to Been there Done That...those same kids who are doing the right thing on a daily basis are not nearly as perfect as you may think they are and they too will make mistakes....& I will be there to show love, grace & mercy to them as well. This kid is being targeted because some don't care for his personality. It is not okay to "criminalize" a person based on a dislike of personality. And those "victims" have nothing to be afraid of! This "perpetrator" has NEVER been in a single fight. These adult bullies should be charged with SLANDER.

             
          • MfgMan posted at 10:56 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

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            boredinkali, on one hand you take 'hatinhypocrisy' to task: "Don't pretend you know what went on in that bus any more than any one else." Ostensibly because he was stating that the punishment was too severe.

            Yet aren't you doing the same thing because you feel that the punishment is to lenient?

             
          • mom posted at 10:52 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            mom Posts: 629

            I sure hope some lessons were learned. This whole story proved what my kids already had been preached, over and over, time and again... Just basic human courtesy and respect for the space and feelings of others. You know, what they start learning as toddlers. In our home, anyway. Continued at Montessori School.
            It's all about parenting, as far as I can tell.

             
          • boredinkali posted at 10:25 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            boredinkali Posts: 25

            hatinhypocrisy

            Are you one of the sexual assault perpetrators? Don't pretend you know what went on in that bus any more than any one else.

            The kid should have been expelled.

            I love this comment: "I voted nay because I think he should be back in school on Monday," Bailey said. ...wow that's some rock solid reasoning there Cleatus!

             
          • Old Hiker posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            Old Hiker Posts: 47

            There needs to be strong support at Glacier HS of the victims to prevent bullying. They could end up
            being the bad guys! The administration should not be making legal decisions
            for these actions. Who will be strutting on their return?

             
          • janie posted at 9:28 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            Why take any action it is just a show of force. The ole "kids will be kids" and we go merrily on our way. and they are our future........... pretty grime in my option

             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 8:04 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

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            Everyone of those kids has a cell phone with a camera and I bet there are oubliette photos and videos or audio of the event.

             
          • Been there done that posted at 7:57 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            Been there done that Posts: 101

            "Something" happened on the bus that is bringing the recommendation of CRIMINAL Sexual Assault chargers. To protect the victims, the perp. should be kept out of school.

            As a show of solidarity for the victims, Glacier students should either stay away from school, or walk out the day that the perpetrator returns back to school. The students who do the right thing on a daily basis should unite to let the admin. know they should also be heard.

             
          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            You nailed it krispistofferson! It was NOT what some would like to believe.....this was so sensationalized by a few hot headed parents and then the media that one would've thought this boy committed murder. I am just as protective of my kids as the next parent but fully believe in taking a breath before overreacting to something my child "reports". Also keep in mind that what the other students (witnesses) "reported" happened is not what the parents bringing charges want to believe happened. That would not be enough to hire attorneys and sue, sue, sue. Adult "bullying" is harder to witness than that of children! The FACTS of this case did not come out.... only heresay, rumors and your typical demonstration of a story getting bigger and bigger.....this should've never come before the court of public opinion in the first place. It should've been handled by the school administration simply and swiftly. It could've been as simple as "you're off the football team, show up an hour early before school to clean toilets and stay an hour later to clean the grounds". But even that would've been harsh for something that was never intended to be hurtful nor done out of malice. Appropriate disciplinary action was not taken due to the pressure of "sue hungry" adults. I believe the Board did the best they could given the heated pressure they were under to "hang" this KID.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 6:04 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            One board member says he should be back in school Monday. Something tells me this incident was not nearly as egregious as some would like to believe.

             
          • MontanaJim72 posted at 1:23 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            MontanaJim72 Posts: 223

            This article is written so badly I don't know what to think. However, I can't believe that the County Attorney's office "is just beginning to interview those involved". What have they been doing for the last month or so? Do they need permission from the school resource officer before they can proceed? Why did they need to wait for the school board meeting before the County Attorney can start interviewing suspects? This drags on and on, when it could have been fixed immediately. Either there was sexual assault or their wasn't. Since when did the school board and the school resource officer become part of the justice system? The County Attorney's office dropped the ball on this one. The only question is how big the fumble will become?

             
          • Red Green posted at 1:04 am on Wed, Oct 12, 2011.

            Red Green Posts: 207

            Temporary expulsion

            SEE ALSO: Jumbo shrimp, military intelligence, old news, new classic.

            Expulsion is a permanent action; Suspension is temporary.

            Is the school board as smart as a fifth grader???? Seems doubtful.

             

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