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Posted: Friday, September 23, 2011 8:30 pm

A criminal investigation into an incident on a Glacier High School freshman football bus returning from a game in Missoula is taking longer than expected.

Originally anticipated to be completed Friday, the investigation now is expected to be finished on Wednesday.

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          • 74Brave posted at 6:11 am on Tue, Oct 4, 2011.

            74Brave Posts: 14

            Thank you Nikki...it was starting to sound in some of these posts like the victims were at fault for not defending themselves. Just more of that bullying mentality again by some of these comments. i.e. The little guys deserve to get picked on because they don't fight back.

          • Nikki posted at 11:16 am on Sat, Oct 1, 2011.

            Nikki Posts: 1

            Just a reminder that the social costs to the victim of speaking up right then might have felt too high. With bullying or this kind of assault it's often the perceived power of the bully that is the scariest part. It's great to stick up for yourself when you can, but sometimes you don't have the resources to do that in the moment. Fortunately it sounds like these kids were able to report the incident and get the support they needed.
            I also think for football players, toughness & aggression on the field doesn't have to - in fact, probably shouldn't - translate to being aggressive off the field. Calling the target of an attack a "sissy" or a "pansy" because you believe they didn't fight back is pretty close to blaming them for what happened, and only reinforces the idea that there's only one way to be a real man.

          • Bravesfn posted at 12:54 pm on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

            Bravesfn Posts: 70

            @Partyer, In that case:

            Today Show Email: today@nbcuni.com

            NBC News: 212-664-2919

            ABC News Tip Line: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/BrianRoss/page?id=3247430

          • Partyer posted at 8:42 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            Agreed, Sam. As I've said before, there should have been one hell of a fight, as my friends and I discussed in a similar discussion over thirty years ago. There would have been blood all over me and anyone trying to do that to me. Also many other bus riders, I am certain lots of other football players either aided or allowed this to happen, it really wasn't just a handful, was it? Anybody who didn't stick up for the victims, help them fight off the assailants, is as guilty as anyone.
            The bullying rules, the anti-bully laws, this is good, it needs to happen, BUT it can't completely replace good old fashioned SELF DEFENSE, in other words we can't teach our kids to sit there and get raped without putting up a fight. What are they, athletes or pansies? Tough guys or sissies? I'm beginning to wonder.
            I agree with you too, Mark. It's time to make an extremely well publicized example of what happens when you act like that. This will be national news eventually. For the good of mankind.

          • MrMark posted at 9:23 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            MrMark Posts: 359

            This goes even further than coaches sleeping and bus drivers not taking responsibility and the other kids not speaking up! This all goes to the basic respect of others! What the hell is going on that kids are doing these kinds of things? The fact that they were removed from the team is only the beginning. These punks need to be expelled, made to go through courses on respect of others, along with their slimeball parents and never allowed to play in the district again! And if they move to another district, their record needs to follow so that this never happens again! This is deviant behavior and needs to be treated in the strictest manner available.

            Oh yeah, and Shottle needs to be eliminated from her position immediately!

          • Bravesfn posted at 5:58 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            Bravesfn Posts: 70

            Something is not here! There seem to be a part of this story missing. Didn't the Coach who was driving the Bus(Don't get me started on that)) Hear anything? Why were the the other coaches sleeping or not hear anything? Why didn't the kids yell? The Coaches were right there! ? Something is not adding up. And the coach resigns the day after makes me a little more suspicious!

          • Sam Adams posted at 4:26 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            i am still scratching my head, trying to figure out how this went down in the first place. I hear all this talk about how we need to protect our kids more... WHAT? Parents need to let their kids know that it is OK to protect themselves and fight back. These kids did not have to be victims. Had they fought back, sure, they might have taken a punch or two before it was over but they would have kept their dignity and probably come out of this a little tougher. The schools must drop their immoral policy of automatically punishing both participants in a fight. There is not equal guilt between the instigator of a fight and one protecting himself. It is absolutely morally repugnant to deny an individual his God given right to self-defense. Instead of dumping this problem at the feet of the coaches, we should ask ourselves why we have a busload of football players that are either unwilling or unable to protect themselve

          • Kalispell mom posted at 10:06 am on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            Kalispell mom Posts: 1

            You people are forgetting the seriousness of the situation! Instead you are ragging on each other!! We as a community need to come together, speak our minds and discipline these boys PERIOD!!! My son is on that football team and all I know is if he was involved in this...I would be in jail for how would have reacted! If he was the victim or perpertrator! Frankly he woulnt be involved in any school function and would have had some serious counseling done, if he had done something like this! Like I said, I thank god everyday that he was not a victim here!! And not on that bus! Also, you people really don't know the facts AND THERE IS SOME FLAT OUT WRONG THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED!!!! And has happened before with the sports teams at Glacier! Glacier needs to do something to protect of children more!!! It was not the bus drivers responsibility to watch these boys........the COACHES should not have been sleeping period!!!!

          • Partyer posted at 8:47 am on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            I wish this wasn't about taking "sides" but focused more on solving the problem. For the purpose of preventing it from happening again.

          • 74Brave posted at 7:29 am on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            74Brave Posts: 14

            Sure sounds like this cop has already picked the side that he is on. Makes me wonder if he has pulled a kid or two under a bus seat in his time.

            Here are some of the cops words that makes me think he is biased...

            "she didn’t understand the importance of the information and the need to protect the integrity of the investigation"....meaning....mother of a victim is now the bad guy.

            "information shared by the mother of one of the alleged victims had “very likely” influenced some"...meaning...we cant believe anything that the victims say from now on.

            "there are two sides to every story." ...meaning...maybe these victims were just asking for it.

          • krispistofferson posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Sep 26, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            many buses do have cameras however not sure they would tell you much in the dark.

          • Mntgal posted at 5:00 pm on Mon, Sep 26, 2011.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            I dont understand why digital cameras cant be installed on all these buses.

          • MfgMan posted at 9:46 am on Mon, Sep 26, 2011.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            Nothing like an anonymous thread to bring out the extremists on both sides...In a case like this, I’ll wait for the police investigation before forming my opinion. What’s funny is that a few weeks when that kid put a bunch of bullets through the windshield of a cop car, I referred to him as a creep, and there must have been 2 or 3 people who jumped all over me, saying I didn’t know him or what a sweet kid he used to be, blah blah blah…Not much of that sentiment on this thread!

          • 78Native posted at 11:50 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            78Native Posts: 7

            Wow. It's all about denotation and connotation. What's denoted in the quotes is that "we're the good guys and we're doing the right things and being responsible." What's connotated is "this mom that talked is a crackpot and has very little sense and messed up the investigation, so it's not my fault if it doesn't turn out the way you want it to" and "all you people that are telling us to do the right thing are wrong, because then we can't cover our backsides, oh, and we're the only ones with any sense."

            Seriously? Anyone else take English in high school where the teacher explained advertising?

            Parents at the schools, anyone? You can get a guest pass and hang out in the classrooms. Just a thought....

          • 59901 posted at 5:38 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            59901 Posts: 47

            Janie, are you saying that your intended meaning has been grossly misrepresented and you are upset that you have been labeled a sick person? - Wait, that can't be, because you have already condoned quick judgements based on very little fact. Nope, I've joined the lynch mob and our minds are made up.

            Michael, you support Janie, yet you indicate only morons make much ado about nothing? Her theme and the theme for most of the posters in these threads seems to be hastily interpereting twisted events and facts and making much ado about not much.

          • urgedfilly posted at 5:24 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            urgedfilly Posts: 92

            it's "couldn't care less."

          • janie posted at 4:40 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            Thank you Michael

          • michael posted at 4:30 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            michael Posts: 546

            Your post is fine janie. only a complete moron, and there seems to be a couple on this thread would twist words and make a big ado about nothing. more they should be concerned with the couple of posters who appear to condone the bully's actions. You can pretty much tell those who only live for trolling the blogs and attacking the posters. What a life (or lack of) they must live, right? Don't bother arguing with them as they could care less about making any kind of sense, they're only here to intimidate.

          • janie posted at 4:04 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            I know what was meant and you appear to be the only one to have issue with it. Why don't you find a new zip code.

          • janie posted at 3:55 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            I know what I meant dont' make something of it that was not intended. Why dont' you find another zip code

          • 59901 posted at 3:36 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            59901 Posts: 47

            Janie, you aren't listening - like I said, if I've learned anything from this incident it is that we can immediately infer with absolute certainty what you meant when you wrote that statement. I also learned that we need not ask you for (nor should we care for) your clarification of your intended meaning before we draw conclusions. Don't waste your time trying to explain what you really meant - the cat is out of the bag - we all know that you posted a sick messsage and you have been judged.

          • janie posted at 2:12 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            oh and I and my parents should be run out of this community. My parents are both dead and I am 60 years old.

          • janie posted at 2:10 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            here is my source for information patting on the poo poo simply means to trivialize what they did. and my text source is dictionary.com. if you read back this person 59901 accused me of and I quote "

            Janie, I am shocked!!! "patted on the poo poo"? Doesn't that involve putting hands on butts? That can only mean that you are actually in favor of "attempted penetration", "molesting", and "sexual assualt" - shame on you!! You and your parents should be run out of this community. If I've learned anything from this incident it is that it is completely appropriate for me to assume that the intent of your statement was maliciuous and morally sickening and that drawing outrageous conclusions without knowing pertinent facts is OK.

          • katorce14 posted at 1:40 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            katorce14 Posts: 150

            Janie you are not making sense, not an English major but it seems to me that you can not verb a verb so pooh pooh can not apply here. You may in face need to go back to school

          • janie posted at 12:58 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            59901 : maybe you need to go back school

          • janie posted at 12:56 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            59901 your the one with the sickmind . if you have never heard of the term patted on the POOPOO I misspelled it should have been Pooh Pooh it isnt' even regarding pysical contact .

            pooh-pooh   /ˈpuˈpu/ Show Spelled[poo-poo] Show IPA
            verb (used with object)
            1. to express disdain or contempt for; dismiss lightly: He pooh-poohed all their superstitious fears.

          • Scorpio posted at 12:23 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            Scorpio Posts: 15

            ...and people give me BS for homeschooling....

          • teri999 posted at 12:07 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            teri999 Posts: 14

            Just F.Y.I., at least one of the main perpetrators of this incident was at the Flathead Homecoming dance this last evening, "grinding" with a couple of the young girls. I want to know how this happened!

            Where are the parents of this boy? Why was this boy even allowed out of the house after being suspended from school?

            This whole incident is such a sad comment on our society....

          • katorce14 posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            katorce14 Posts: 150

            Just a mom - You right though in being upset that the kids still idolize those responsible. I remember High school and not so long ago had kids in high school. I suspect things have not changed much so my guess is that, to good degree that status hinges on the ability to perform well in some sport - football would be a safe bet - maybe multiple sports. I am as disgusted as you the social status does not change after an incident such as this, but think of the message we as society send..

            We roll out the fire trucks and throw parades when our sports teams win the big game, no parades and often no headlines when the band makes good. We go ballistic when schools look to cut sports budgets and yet we don't mind if academic pursuits go begging.

            Children across the country manage to make it through college but end up with thousands in student loans, unless they can throw, bounce or hit a ball of some sort or run fast. Student athletes are rewarded with full ride scholarships, have grades fixed etc... while smart kids, well they are on there own. We don't care that our athletes are paid millions of dollars for a few games a year, and then we b$%ch and moan that teachers and firefighters are overpaid.

            What do we expect from our children? Society is gaga over our sports heroes and, I would argue that intelligence is a liability in many circles. what do we expect?

          • mom posted at 10:06 am on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            mom Posts: 629

            There probably isn't any way to screen participants at the dances, Justamom. But there should be. If there was a suspended student at the dance, this should be reported and the infraction added to the charges. And yes, you should volunteer to help. I wish I could say it is fun and rewarding, but it isn't. The kids treat you like the enemy, don't appreciate that you are there to help them.
            Yes Socmom something needs to change and we need to force it. Pehaps we parents could get together and insist an acceptable bus riding policy be written and distributed. With a deadline, if that deadline is missed we will not put our kids on another activities bus. I think a month is enough time, don't you? I don't want to boycott the bus immediately while awaiting a policy, but that might be better. Not sure.

          • katorce14 posted at 9:13 am on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            katorce14 Posts: 150

            Great idea Soccermom not allowing coaches to sleep? Do you think that is realistic? Not opposed to interspersing coaches throughout the bus but really not allowing sleep? Besides how many trips are gone on by how many school teams each year? Should we really change everything for all of them because of one incident? Would it do any good?

            I am not downplaying this incident at all or forgiving whatever went on on the bus, but lets be realistic, and lets not forget we were kids. Yes the kids should be punished but appropriately and with consideration for NOT destroying any future these children might have.

            Speaking from experience it is the job of the school to protect the identity of the perpetrators and the victims, this does not amount to sweeping things under the rug, or trying to cover things up. We are supposed to have laws that make someone innocent until proven guilty, it amazes me how frequently we forget that.

            Just a mom - sorry to say but you come off in your post as a prude.Even if not perhaps you should be taking up your complaint with the Flathead High School folks. Did you volunteer to chaperone that dance? i thought not.

          • krispistofferson posted at 7:51 am on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            Imagine what society would be like if the posters on here home schooled their children....roflmao.

          • just a mom posted at 3:21 am on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            just a mom Posts: 4

            Just F.Y.I., at least one of the main perpetrators of this incident was at the Flathead Homecoming dance this last evening, "grinding" with a couple of the young girls. I want to know how this happened! For one thing, he does not go to Flathead, and I hope it stays that way. My teenager left the dance early, disgusted by the inappropiate conduct that was allowed at this dance, and the fact that people accused of such violant offenses against their peers were not only allowed in the door, but were, as it was best defined, "humping on the dance floor with their clothes on", and nobody said a word. Were there any chaperones, teachers, janitors, or adults at all? No wonder things like this are occurring. And this kid is getting hi-fives from some of the other students...sick. Students are walking through the halls, grabbing each others butts, and saying "I just -- -- (the accused's name) you!" His social stature has not changed much at all, and it really diminishes my respect for alot of these kids. And you are right soccermom, we do need to come together as a community to fix things. It starts at home, and apparently families aren't talking like yours or mine do. Do they know their children still idolize this "popular boy"? Have they discussed how what he did to those other boys is going to haunt them? That he acts proud. PROUD!!! And STEELCON, if I had the money to get my children out of the public school system, I truelly would at this point. Unfortunately, I don't, and my childrens' education would suffer greatly if I tried to homeschool. I am just going to have to hope that I can teach them the survival skills they may well need to get to graduation, from social behavior and avoiding situations they shouldnt be subject to (like grinding and dry humping) to self defense. And I think more parents would volunteer if they knew they were short on help or that they had too much to handle, I know I would've chaperoned if I had known they obviously needed more adult supervision.

          • soccermom posted at 11:33 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            soccermom Posts: 1

            As a Mother of a 6th grade athlete that will be riding busses to events in a very short 3 years I have been following the bus incident very closely. I think it is time to quit pointing fingers and playing the blame game and figure out what we as parents and a community are going to do about it! We need to learn from this and past mistakes and grow from them. Isn’t that what we tell our kids? We have been talking about this as a family since it happened. We sat our 6th grader and 2nd grader down and tried to give them the tools to stand up for themselves and others if they ever find themselves in this situation! I think that the parents of the victim and the parents of the accused would feel a lot better if the school district started talking about what steps they are going to take to keep our kids safe in the future! It seems like an easy fix to me! We just need some guide lines about where coaches sit and a no sleeping policy. Also more parents need to volunteer and get involved! If we had a few volunteers to ride the bus it would go a long way! I know that it works for choir and band. Let’s keep our kids safe Kalispell! It starts at home! Let this be a learning experience for all of us and come together as a community and fix it!

          • 420stoner posted at 9:53 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            420stoner Posts: 97

            i heard that the football player(s) would come to the front of the bus and would tell other foorball players to come to the back of the bus and thats when they held them down and started to dry hump and stick their fingers in some nasty places.these football players sound like abunch a pussys, i would of been throwing some punches!

          • Commentator posted at 7:11 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            Commentator Posts: 2

            Interesting that School "Resource" Officer Parce would publicly slander the mother of one of the victims, declaring that she had shared sensitive information which "very likely" influenced "some" of the people he had yet to interview, complicating his work! Curious: how does he know that future witnesses were very likely influenced if he hasn't interviewed them yet? Obviously the poor woman didn't understand the importance of the information and the need to protect the integrity of the investigation! Or maybe there's another explanation: perhaps she thinks it is slightly more important to get at the truth---fast---and protect her own child than it is to protect the precious "integrity of the investigation." If the truth is so unknown--and unknowable--until the snail's-pace investigation is complete, why were six students kicked off the team and suspended? And, by the way School Board: the victims know full well what happened to them--they were, after all, the victims. Where do you get off telling them it's in their best interest (as a significant part of "all involved") to "reserve judgment"?

          • 59901 posted at 5:55 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            59901 Posts: 47

            Janie, I am shocked!!! "patted on the poo poo"? Doesn't that involve putting hands on butts? That can only mean that you are actually in favor of "attempted penetration", "molesting", and "sexual assualt" - shame on you!! You and your parents should be run out of this community. If I've learned anything from this incident it is that it is completely appropriate for me to assume that the intent of your statement was maliciuous and morally sickening and that drawing outrageous conclusions without knowing pertinent facts is OK.

          • janie posted at 2:46 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            Oh they will go through the motions of justice and give a good impression to the public. These youths are patted on the Poo Poo and all is well . They will be our future criminals unleased on the general public . If you were to see all the files on some youths that exist in this county you would be shocked, and the cost to the taxpayers to support and counsel for them. If this cost was handed off to the parents thing would change trust me. But wait parents arent' allowed to disapline anymore they call it abuse, and the kids are taught this by the schools, tv, that makes them untouchable and that is why I would never bring a child into this world. oh and yes the school is all about the $ and only the $.

          • urgedfilly posted at 1:35 pm on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            urgedfilly Posts: 92

            you'd think the aluminum plant in c. falls was up and running again with all the tin-foil opinions regarding this story.

          • SteelCon posted at 11:50 am on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            SteelCon Posts: 42

            When I attended junior high school and high school, school resource officers (READ: POLICE OFFICERS) were not needed and back then no one could imagine why taxpayers had to foot the expense of a full time police officer assigned to every urban junior high and high school across the entire United States.

            Today in 2011, American Society has slid fo far down into the sewage pit of immorality and criminality that the "little children" who are the product of their "slime ball" parents arrive at school among decent children raised by decent parents and they spread around their "slime ball" anti-values of illegal drug use, possession and sale, sexual deviate immorality, violence, jealousy of children raised in clean wholesome environments, etc., etc.

            The public schools function on the basis of head counts to justify their budgets. If they start expelling the miscreant children of low life parents, their funding, ie, salaries, and future raises go down the tubes.. So they bring police officers into every school in 'Amerika' in order to keep law and order among the little animals that increasing numbers of scumbag mommy and daddies have sprung upon decent society.

            SOLUTION; If you truly love your child, get them away from the Public School System, Home School them if you have to, but put you kid ahead of the "inconvenience" of having to take them out of the PUBLIC DAY CARE CENTERS, misnamed as "SCHOOLS."

          • Partyer posted at 11:34 am on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            I suppose where we're going with this is, the interrogations can't be used, witnesses were tainted, investigation wasn't proper, jury can't be partial, etc, etc.
            Well at least it wasn't swept under the rug.
            Again, I hope this sad story will be studied and some good come out of it. Like an overhaul of who ,what, how, when, where and why we spend tax money on activities for school kids.

          • michael posted at 10:51 am on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            michael Posts: 546

            Isn't the "school resource officer" a member of the law enforcement? I dunno, just thought they were

          • HamNeggs posted at 10:31 am on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            HamNeggs Posts: 79

            I have a question to answer your question P.O: If a school doesn't immediately do some sort of preliminary investigation (with any infraction) how would they then know if it something that should be handled in house or handed over to the police?

          • truthspeaks posted at 10:27 am on Sat, Sep 24, 2011.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            I understand your question as it is one I have had myself. Hereare a few more to ponder .
            What is the legality of administrators and SRO's investigating children without their parents being present or at least being notified that their child is suspected of criminal activity? Also these interogations, which they are, are taped for later use, is this legal? Were the adults in this situation, informed of their rights? Was the bus driver in question allowed to bring in his representative when he was questioned? Are charges being brought against the adult supervisors? Or at least being considered? Has the bus driver been suspended? I am not justifying the actions of these kids, but that is the point, they are kids and the adult superisors were negligent by falling asleep. The district is protecting the adults to try and lessen their own liability, Schottle knows the civil suits will cost the district or its insurance company tens of thousands of dollars.

          • PerpetuallyOptimistic posted at 10:56 pm on Fri, Sep 23, 2011.

            PerpetuallyOptimistic Posts: 30

            I have a random question for anyone wanting to answer. Why did the school investigate the crime before the police department? Don't you think it would be random to have that happen in the real world? Have an employer investigate policy violation and decide on discipline before they hand it over to the police department?


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