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Posted: Saturday, February 9, 2013 10:00 pm | Updated: 12:41 pm, Thu Apr 17, 2014.

Last summer, downtown Kalispell had problems with graffiti, scratched and broken business windows and a rash of flower-pot thefts.

The criminal mischief was apparent; witnesses and suspects were not.

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          Welcome to the discussion.

          24 comments:

          • rallysmom posted at 10:57 am on Tue, Feb 12, 2013.

            rallysmom Posts: 40

            My question is, what do all of you have to hide? Who cares if you are on video survaillance for a few seconds while shopping or strolling down Main street? A lot of places already have cameras, like banks and stores. Do you never go to a bank? Well, that wouldn't really surprise me, as you are all so parnoid, you probably think all banks are evil too. I bet each of you would change your tune if you were assalted or robbed and a camera was there to see it and to help catch the offender.
            Our population is growing, there is nothing you can do to stop it. With a growing population comes more crime. More crime means we must also grow and change to help prevent it. If you don't like it, move to somewhere that is and will remain remote, like Antarctica.

             
          • Strider posted at 9:35 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Strider Posts: 432

            You guys are also missing the point that there were 2 cameras downtown until recently.

             
          • oldentimerz posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            oldentimerz Posts: 70

            The cheapest solution to scare away vandals is to install dummy cameras with blinking red LED lights . The average meth-head will see these and think twice . Signs warning of video cameras would also alert the midnight taggers that they are being watched . I hate to see historic downtowm defaced . When old brick is tagged we are left with a scarred place on the building that is visable even after the clean-up . Maybe we need to wack some index fingers with a hammer when we catch em .

             
          • DJJackson posted at 6:36 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 729

            Thinker,

            You are not thinking very much, if you read the article, it is the business association and not Kalispell that is talking about this.

             
          • cordwood posted at 6:17 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            The ignorance is amazing.........

             
          • montanamatt posted at 4:32 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            montanamatt Posts: 18

            I find it hard to believe that KPD doesn't have the manpower. Maybe graveyard shift should be out patrolling instead of hiding out and sleeping, aka. proactive instead of reactive....

             
          • Thinker posted at 2:33 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Thinker Posts: 167

            Last week Kalispell didn't have the money to fix their streets...

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 1:53 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2686

            OK - read the last line of the article - 'taxes the properties" etc. Now, the business taxes are always passed on to the consumer in prices. Oh well. Wouldn't it be so much better to have kids that didn't run around damaging things? Golly now, why is it these little mongrels don't respect property? Could it be their parents just didn't teach them proper values? Could it be the moral decay of America under the "anything goes" mantra of the "progressive" (leftist) society? Nah, couldn't be any of those reasons. Must be something else. someone else's "fault".

             
          • lancotio posted at 1:08 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            lancotio Posts: 5

            I have seen graffiti in the city it is really disrespectful. I would ask for a cost analysis on the cameras and there monthly maintenance cost, as opposed to recent damage. Is it cost effective? Too many times people revert to, oh I have been disrespected. Then rush into something without observing all the avenues of options. In my own opinoin, I would take the money and try to gives these hoodlums an education. The kpd should be able to catch them, this is in there job description. (To serve and protect). How can you protect someone or solve a crime when you cant even catch a hoodlum?

             
          • ScottRD posted at 12:37 pm on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            ScottRD Posts: 40

            This is a bunch of Bull, I will Boycott Downtown if any such a system is installed, We are not a Police State and Big Brother has no right, The business can hire a security guard and give someone a job if the police can't do there job. A business has Insurance. If kids are doing this then the court needs to crack down hard for the kids understand crime dose not pay, Neighborhood crime watch, better lighting is the answer, Alarm systems will help but no Security Cameras and Recording it is a violation of the people rights, but to monitor the streets and sidewalk is completely wrong in every way these are public areas

             
          • Thinker posted at 11:21 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Thinker Posts: 167

            I'll be avoiding the Kalispell Main Business District from now on.

             
          • cordwood posted at 10:51 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            cordwood Posts: 96

            To all of the paranoid anti-government posters herein: this is not a local city council proposal. It is a group of business owners (you know, good ol' capitalists) looking out for their investments and livliehoods. This is not a constitutional issue. Not a governmental issue.

             
          • michael posted at 10:41 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            michael Posts: 534

            Oh the paranoia! Don't you realize you are constantly under someone's camera no matter where you are? Police state??? hahahaha! Camera's are an excellent idea. The vandalism is out of control. Camera's, camera's and more cameras! If you're not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear. Because of the whiners who want more and more cuts in our legal enforcement we are left with inadequate protection. Something must be done to make up for it.

             
          • 888111 posted at 10:38 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            888111 Posts: 541

            also lets tell them where they're being installed,great job,why don't the shopkeepers foot the bill,they're not that expensive at costco,someones making money,haven't been to kalispell shopping in years,my last parking ticket was my last in the late 80's,miss the old KB though,

             
          • Flovilla posted at 10:14 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Flovilla Posts: 296

            Mntgal, that is not true. Do you want to meet up somewhere and let me film you wile you do your daily business? It would be annoying and unnerving as well as an invasion of your privacy.

            This is a measure to becoming a surveillance state and it should not be allowed. IF our counsel thinks this is a good idea, they should never have been voted into office in the first place.

             
          • Mntgal posted at 10:07 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            All for security cameras. If you are not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about.

             
          • Flovilla posted at 9:07 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Flovilla Posts: 296

            As if the criminals can not figure out where the cameras are and avoid them. Or they could simply buy a $5.00 ski mask and hide.

            Stupid investment that should not be allowed at all.

             
          • TheDizzle posted at 8:45 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            TheDizzle Posts: 39

            YAY BIG BROTHER.

            The rate at which we are becoming a full blown police state is alarming.
            I never thought I would see this coming to Kalispell.
            This, and all ideas similar to it need to be rejected NOW.

             
          • Transparency posted at 8:41 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Transparency Posts: 87

            Oops! The last best place just became the last best place to infringe on constitutional rights.

            Oh well, nothing lasts forever. I can't wait to see the video of the KPD Swat Team swooping down on a homeless person scratching his butt.

             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 8:36 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 845

            Hey Mooseberys.... I think its a great idea!

            We can watch the local " regime".... King Obama's local comrades, where the secret meetings between the mayor and her cronies are. Right of Center Dangling Chad

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 8:20 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2686

            hey, why not? We're just full of money, lots of money to pay for these little items. I think if we really try harder, we can have cameras on every block, in every building, in every home, in every room, in every toilet stall. Crime will cease, vandalism will cease, people will be safe. yes! people will be safe! There will be no crime, no fear, no anxiety, just smiles every day. OK then. Oh, Nose-pickers of the world watch-out! Big Brother is watching you 24/7. but wait, there's more...order now, and they'll double the offer.

             
          • mom posted at 8:18 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            mom Posts: 629

            An alternative that would incredibly benefit mankind would be to ask parents to raise their children to have good morals and respect community, public, personal and private property. I recommend everyone take a look at a concept called Character First and see how you might be able to apply it to your family, school, team, and organization.

             
          • Thinker posted at 8:17 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Thinker Posts: 167

            "...any opportunity we can possibly have..." Where is this going? Why does this city government think there should be no limits to power?
            What will the city's liability be if their WiFi network is not secure? Or will they declare themselves not responsible? Will the city be monitoring traffic on the network? How do they intend to use the information they gather? How many more bureaucrats will you have to hire to handle this system?
            Considering the number of people who are not paying attention to their surroundings while they are focused on their electronic devices, wouldn't this just make that problem worse? Or will the spy camera help prove someone had an accident because they were distracted while using the WiFi network provided by the city?

            This is an expensive and draconian response to a relatively minor problem.

             
          • Mt-Hunter posted at 7:33 am on Sun, Feb 10, 2013.

            Mt-Hunter Posts: 110

            Welcome to the future of a policed state.

            http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020303926_policedronesxml.html

             

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