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West Glacier man killed hunting expert, himself

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Posted: Friday, March 8, 2013 7:00 pm

A West Glacier man killed a well-known Texas hunting expert Thursday night in Whitefish in an apparent crime of passion before assaulting his wife and later killing himself, according to the Whitefish Police Department.

Greg G. Rodriguez, 43, of Sugar Land, Texas, was visiting Lindsey Bengtson at her mother’s home on River Lakes Parkway in Whitefish when her husband, Wayne Bengtson, 41, showed up.

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          • Sticker posted at 11:15 am on Thu, Mar 21, 2013.

            Sticker Posts: 4

            @ mfgman Confirm Wayne and Lindsey's place is really nice ...a resort in a resort town and what a location. Wow Cha-chg!!! That's a dream location for any boy to grow up in. Can just imagine being the little explorer with my buddies~

          • Sticker posted at 11:45 am on Wed, Mar 20, 2013.

            Sticker Posts: 4

            Yeah...thanks mt born that was one of the reasons ,apparently, International Sporting Man was visiting Lindsey?

            I guess she had told him she had been in an accident?

            Did Wayne ever talk to ISM and let him know that anything beyond business was not acceptable?

            Usually, when someone is touted as being good to their word. They are very straight forward.

          • Montanaborn42 posted at 11:30 am on Wed, Mar 20, 2013.

            Montanaborn42 Posts: 3

            @jenny - no alcohol was involved. It was due to bad weather.

          • jennydoe posted at 8:55 am on Wed, Mar 20, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Thanks Montanaborn42. I hadn't heard that. Also, I am sorry for your loss.
            (was alcohol a factor in accident?)

          • Montanaborn42 posted at 5:29 am on Wed, Mar 20, 2013.

            Montanaborn42 Posts: 3

            Wayne had rented a truck because Lindsey was in an accident several days before, while driving his. She was lucky she did not get injured in the accident. Probably a warning sign right there that she should stop messing around.

          • jennydoe posted at 5:09 am on Wed, Mar 20, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            from today's law roundup:

            An employee at a Flathead Avenue car rental business contacted the Whitefish Police Department for help locating a car that had been rented March 5 by a man who, two days later, assaulted his wife before shooting and killing a man in Whitefish then committing suicide in West Glacier.
            And I thought the murder happened before the assault..................

          • sumodude posted at 12:07 pm on Tue, Mar 19, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ jennydoe - It might have been her first time but she will be pondering over what happend until the last day of her life. You are probably right about Rodriguez's wife and children.... it will be hard for them but she may just feel relieved.

          • Sticker posted at 10:29 am on Tue, Mar 19, 2013.

            Sticker Posts: 4

            Yeah Jenny thanks.... Colter is an adorable little guy.

          • jennydoe posted at 8:48 am on Tue, Mar 19, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            sumodude, I have no proof of any other affairs with Lindsey. I concur with your dates of the affair.

            What a hard lesson for Lindsey. What a huge loss for Colter.

            Greg's wife might be relieved, too bad for his children.

            Sticker, I am at a loss to even imagine what hunter-dude did for a living. 140 species. Wow.
            It does seem like poetic justice. It is just a shame that Wayne had to be the one giving him his final challenge.

          • sumodude posted at 8:12 pm on Mon, Mar 18, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ drummageboy - It apperas that Wayne's wife met Rodriguez four months ago and things started getting more intense between them in January.

          • Sticker posted at 5:01 pm on Mon, Mar 18, 2013.

            Sticker Posts: 4

            Thanks jennydoe and sumodude for the back-story. Really sad and have sympathy for all of the families involved. My gut wrenched every time I read the story.

            Just wished International Sporting Man would have used archery tackle when he hunted. Seems more challenging or sporting in that way.

          • drummageboy posted at 4:54 pm on Mon, Mar 18, 2013.

            drummageboy Posts: 1

            @jennydoe&summodude - I am coming in from Sugarland, Texas area. Some say Wayne was invited to the meeting but declined to attend. I do not believe that to be a fact. Most are saying Rodriguez got what he deserved. He attended same high school as my daughters ex-boyfriend. I have a time line for Lindsey from around 2000 in San Diego, Ca. It says she married Wayne in 2009 and the child was born the next year. Can anyone tell me what month or year Lindsey met and became friends with Rodriguez? How long was this affair going on? My prayers go out to all involved here. I do believe some lines must always be respected. Thanks Montana for letting me chat. A concerned Vietnam vet from Southeast Texa!!!

          • sumodude posted at 8:55 am on Sun, Mar 17, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ jennydoe - Yes, this is such a tragic story for all parties involved and I can only imagine what all three families are going through now. The cover up was just plain disgusting but Dial is to take full blame for this.... it all started with him.

            I am a peaceful person by nature but after what my ex wife has put me through I can perfectly understand why Wayne snapped. I have never had any hard proof her affair but I can imagine myself losing it all if I saw her making up with some dude like Wayne did. But I still cannot picture him doing what he did.... it is just not like hime all.

            Poor Lindsey has a lifetime of deep soul-searching ahead of her and it will be ugly. Of course, I am assuming here that she is a person who actually takes responsibility for her actions. Was she alwas like this.... I mean running behind Wayne's back?

            Congratulations on docudrama.... great idea.

          • jennydoe posted at 6:00 pm on Sat, Mar 16, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            @sumodude - I myself have already plotted the whole movie...docudrama LMN network. I am sure someone who really works in the movie industry will gain the rights. Wayne has been portrayed in an ugly light, seeming to have no reason what-so-ever to go off the deep end. Maybe the public doesn't think it is any of their business and don't want to think of the intimate details of this ordeal, but it happens. People do snap, and sometimes it helps to know the motive. I am disappointed in the cover-up.

            I have been told Wayne's parents have granted her wish of forgiveness. She attended the service with Colter. Lindsey is vibrant. Likeable. A lot of wonderful qualities, but lacking fidelity and good sense when it came to Wayne. I understand one of the last persons he spoke with was her mother.
            It is a sad situation for all. Except all the exotic animals.

          • sumodude posted at 9:43 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ jennydoe - I would be rather very surprised if any new public statements were issued in this case by police. Dial has made a fool of himself and they will just leave it like this. However, I wouldn't be surprised at all if in a year or two someone decides to make a movie about it. American public is infatuated with infidelity and murder so people would watch it. Right now it is too early but at some point I think it wouldn't be such a bad idea.... it would show the emotions which really triggered this tragedy.

            Yes, I have been greatly bothered how the police department and media were trying to protect the reputation of Mr. TV Personality who clearly was a dedicated and loving husband and father.

            Do you know if Wayne's wife was present at his service? This woman has some real mess to sort out now.

          • jennydoe posted at 6:04 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            yes sumodude, you are correct. It has been admitted to the family about the affair. Wayne watched from outside for 3 hours. There couldn't have been any doubt in the police dept. what was going on. He didn't kill Lindsey so she'd have to live the rest of her life facing the consequences of her actions. But we sure don't want to tarnish the reputation of Mr. Rifleman, now do we.

            Wayne was a wonderful man. Perhaps he loved his wife too much. He came from a family of love.
            There was standing room only at his service.

            Do you think the truth will come out publically?

          • sumodude posted at 4:34 pm on Fri, Mar 15, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ MfgMan - Actually, the affair makes a huge difference here because since this tragedy has happend Wayne has been pictured as out of control jealous husband who killed an innocent man for no reason and then took his own life. What he has done is absolutely terrible and should have never happend but the truth is that his wife and Mr. TV Personality had been having a full blown affair since January. No one within the police department actually belived that it was an innocent business meeting from the very beggining but Dial officially assured everyone that it was a strictly professional relationship between the two. Of course, now, after some pressure from Wayne's family, he is backing up from that statement and is saying that Wayne's wife should answer all questions about the nature of her relationship with Mr. TV Personality.

          • MfgMan posted at 12:44 pm on Thu, Mar 14, 2013.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            For those of you wanting to know more details behind what may have precipitated this behavior, I would respectfully submit that it's really none of your business. It doesn't matter if they were having an affair or not...the salient fact is that there was a murder. If you walk into a situation such as this, give the guy a good old Montana back alley butt whooping, but don’t kill him! My heart goes out to all the families involved.

          • photoguy posted at 6:20 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            No need Mommy, My life has been no less or no more interesting than many in this country.

          • sumodude posted at 12:43 pm on Tue, Mar 12, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            Los Andeles Times:

            "Dial said Wayne Bengtson “was a jealous husband,” that there were “some indications” his wife and Rodriguez were involved, but that he could not comment on the pair's relationship, referring questions to Bengtson's wife, who could not be reached Monday."

          • Mommy Dearest posted at 9:27 pm on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846


            You sound like someone who has a lot of real world experiences, like eating vegetables right out of the garden or driving with your left elbow out the window when you drive with one hand on the wheel.

            Maybe something more or less fascinating?

            Why wouldn't you?

          • photoguy posted at 6:17 pm on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            Why would I write and autobiography Mommy?

          • Mommy Dearest posted at 9:06 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            With my hair, I am glad you can't see me.... but the last thing I think of by posting here is proofreading.
            Auto spell sometimes changes my words, sometimes I leave pronouns out, and sometimes I am just stupid.

            These blogs are somewhere between the bathroom wall and texting so I would not get all bent out of shape about diction and prose.

            Photoguy,,, when is your autobiography coming out?

          • photoguy posted at 6:28 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940


            Then it is probably a good thing you no longer live here. It is probably good for those of us that live here, that you left.

            Newspaper comments sections are not writing classes.

          • BWTyrrell posted at 12:51 am on Mon, Mar 11, 2013.

            BWTyrrell Posts: 21

            I grew up in Kalispell, graduating from Flathead High on June 3, 1974. The only thing I have to add to this string of comments is that I am embarrassed to admit I am from Kalispell after reading these posts. You people can't write!!! So many of you tried to sound smart and write something profound but ended up looking like idots because you can't spell and wouldn't know correct grammar if it were your brother or sister...... just saying.... b

          • sumodude posted at 7:29 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ photoguy - I bet it must have been hard but at least you had a clear situation.... not knowing is much worse. I got divorced four years ago and my ex-wife is still blaming me for it. There was literarly a ton of "circumstantial" evidence pointing to her having an affair but I have never had a solid proof. I have to travel on business quite often and you have a very attractive woman left alone for for a few days, sometimes even for a week or two.... you can imagine the rest. I talked to a friend who is an experienced divorce attorney and there was no question in his mind that she was cheating on me. I could never get straight answers from her but she swears she has never cheated on me.

            Photoguy, what is your take on this story? I moved to Chicago in 2001 and my mother followed in 2003. I haven't seen Wayne since then and I don't know his wife at all.

          • photoguy posted at 4:59 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            sumodude, My first wife, I caught in bed with her current husband, I can honestly say, I could have killed him and her, but really that was not an option, we had a child, and she deserved a mother and a father. I will celebrate my 25th anniversary with my current wife, this July, I am glad, I didn't break! I look at all I would have missed.

            Knowing both parties in this, make is really difficult to understand what happened, it was not necessary and we will never understand fully what happened.

            As I said, my condolences go to both families, they have a tough road a head of them.

          • sumodude posted at 3:06 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ photoguy - I am sorry about your sister.... reading this story must bring back a lot of bad memories. I have to admt I was hit quite hard by it myself.

            You are right that in cases like this one it makes no sense to burn resources on a big investigation and we will likley never know what really happend that evening. What bothers me the most in this tragic story is how easy some people point fingers at Wayne with complete disregard to what may have made him snap. I am a peaceful person by nature and regardless of circumstances I would never resort to what he did, but I have seen a lot of infidelity in my life and I can understand why some people snap in similiar situations.

          • photoguy posted at 1:35 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            In a situation like this, which has been called a cut and dry case by the police agencies, rarely will you see a full investigation, it might be, that the small amount of information posted in these news stories will be all we ever hear.

            As with my sister when she was murdered in a similar situation, when they are cut and dry, there is little reason to burn agency resources on a big investigation, it will leave a lot of us wondering what really happened.

          • sumodude posted at 12:23 pm on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            @ cutty.... I am rather reluctant to belive that police department will go on with a full investigation. It would create too much mess for Wayne's wife and TV dude's family. I saw today a picture of Lisa Rodrigues and I can imagine why her husband wanted to drink wine with Lindsey at 10:30 PM. I am sure Lisa is a great lady but she definitively doesn't look like Wayne's wife.

          • cutty posted at 6:09 am on Sun, Mar 10, 2013.

            cutty Posts: 1

            I want to second the post from "sumodude". I hope a full investigation is carried out and the findings will be made public. The Whitefish police are an incredibly professional and competent bunch. They, I'm sure, will be working with the authorities from the state to get to the bottom of this. The calls to ban guns below are clearly misguided. Gun related crime in Whitefish is/was absolutely non-existent prior to these last two terrible unrelated incidents. Everyone had access to a gun for the 10 years since the last murder...

            I wan't to send my heartfelt condolences to the families involved in all the tragedies in Whitefish and hope that the police will truly investigate and find some answers and hopefully some closure for everyone.

          • Fast posted at 11:46 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Fast Posts: 248

            Some people should not have guns.

          • Fast posted at 11:46 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Fast Posts: 248

            Some people should not have guns.

          • sumodude posted at 11:19 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            I wonder how far is police department going to take this investigation? Since it is clearly a homicide-suicide case and Wayne is dead, are they going to be satisfied with that and close the investigation? Or will they try to find out what really happend there?

          • mtgetgroovy posted at 10:13 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            mtgetgroovy Posts: 15


          • Mommy Dearest posted at 7:30 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            pharmer9 and photoguy.... who'd be the gun idiot calling two people dead?

            RIght..... instead of gunning down one man point blank, pistol whipping his wife, then driving home and blowing his head off with a 44 mag.... you think he could of just a easily stabbed the man to death while his wife watched, then could of beat his wife with a bat for a while..... then jumping in his car, driving home and cut himself to death with pickle jar lid?

            If it is a mental issue, at what point do you two enter and save the day by putting the shooter in "time out" and take his gun because you identified him as a mental case?

            I think everyone should have a gun ready and available so you can detect his mental condition.

            My point is an intelligent person sees that people are the problem, not the most lethal and accessible weapon of choice... the gun. It just was there in thin air and the mental case knew it's effect and lethality... thats why he had a 44 mag to start with: to protect his life and property. Instead he used it for just the opposite.

            Pretty awful disconnect here.... thats why I COULD suggest that people who are involved with guns need relationship training so gunning down someone in a jealous rage could never be considered an option.

            Then on the other hand, hitting on someones wife is a learned deviancy as well; just as being someones wife and allowing the same is just a bad behavior.

            Maybe they should cover that stuff in hunter safety?

          • pharmer9 posted at 6:31 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            pharmer9 Posts: 1

            Her version, Greg was just talking business at my mother's house, at 10:30pm and drinking wine. oh, sure. And he just came up there on business too. Too bad.

            To the gun idiot, a baseball bat or knive would have worked too.

          • lousia posted at 5:52 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            lousia Posts: 196

            Its just a terrible thing all the way around, and we will never know anything really for sure.
            But us humans sure can think the worst right away,People love gossip, and they love to make up their own stories. Which i think its a sad mess to, as there is lots of hurting people now, I can say i am thankful the lady and her son are not dead to. And how a mind can become so evil and think yes we must take the gun, the gun didn't really do it, it was just something handy to use. and the liberals all up in arms over guns now, just one more straw to break the camel's back.

          • photoguy posted at 2:21 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940


            I was wondering who it would be, this is not a gun issue, it is a mental issue, but leave it to a liberal to try and take a tragedy to another level and say we shouldn't own as many guns as we do.

          • sumodude posted at 12:48 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            sumodude Posts: 11

            Some 24 hours after hearing the news I am still shaking my head in a total disbelief. I moved to Chicago over a decade ago but Wayne, the way I remember him, didn't seem like a guy who would just pull out a gun and start shooting people. I think that whatever has pushed him over the edge must have accumulated over a longer period of time, he wasn't the type that would just snap in an instant.... at least not back then.

            We will likely never know what really happened in that kitchen but I don't believe that it was just an innocent meeting to discuss business between his wife and TV dude. I don't know his wife so I cannot say anything about her. However, I have been frequently traveling on business for almost 15 years and I know one thing.... you don't meet a member of opposite sex that late at night to talk just about business. I know that for sure.

            RIP Wayne.... condolences to both families.

          • Mommy Dearest posted at 12:28 pm on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            It is obvious from this and other local shootings..... we need to tighten up on gun possession:

            Married men and their wives, ex's, girlfriends or significant others who speak to other men or women all should not possess firearms.

          • dsgirl posted at 10:46 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            dsgirl Posts: 1

            I have known Wayne since the 1St grade. Never in a million years would i have imagined this. I am truly sorry for his family and for everyone involved in this tragedy. I will forever have fond memories of Wayne. RIP my friend.

          • photoguy posted at 10:09 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            No, it does not just happen, they tried to tell me this a few years ago, when my sister was murdered by her husband and then he killed himself. There is no reason to pick up a gun and shoot another then bail out on the rest of the world yourself.

            There is always a better solution, than this and I don't care what the circumstances are. Speculation about this, is just that, speculation, I am sure the investigation will bring out more information and we should wait until it does.

            In the mean time, I knew both of these people as well as their families, my condolences to both of them.

          • 888111 posted at 10:05 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            888111 Posts: 541

            men don't thrash women,cut and dry,i really don't care what the circumstances were, and i'm glad i don't have to hear six months of a juicy trial, man going over the edge,blame it on the wife,lawyers squeezing every dime out of the family.that i'm grateful for,and yes i feel for those who lost family

          • Thinker posted at 7:58 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Thinker Posts: 167

            Dear 888111, while you may think the lack of incarceration and the cost of a trial saves the taxpayers a lot of money, I believe it is true that the children of those deceased might be entitled to Social Security Survivors Benefits till the age of 18.
            The real cost to society can't be measured in these situations.
            When will we ever get over the use of jealousy as a manipulative control on insecure people?

          • Killers posted at 7:53 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Killers Posts: 6

            Condolences to the families. The killer must have been beside himself. Mr. Rodriguez left this world realizing, if only for an instant, what it felt like to be brutally hunted like so many of the beautiful creatures he slaughtered for "sport"

          • Partyer posted at 7:23 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            Sometimes it just happens. We get too much going on, we're not quite in synch at all times, we've strayed apart just enough to start wondering, questioning how to deal with it, then something makes one snap, as
            Bronco put it. Once it happens there's no turning back, you have to go all the way. This is a sad, horrible, situation. It isn't a story yet but eventually it should be, so we can try to understand how, why this happens and how to see it coming, how to prevent it.

          • MontanaMoon posted at 6:23 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            MontanaMoon Posts: 24

            It never ceases to amaze me just how judgmental and assuming people really are. If half of these people would take scenarios that they conjure up in their heads, we might just have some good TV shows. Why do people continually turn everything ugly? Maybe what happened is really WHAT happened. Why add to an already tragic situation?? Wayne was a good man and friend, He loved his Wife and his Son and would have died for them, which sadly in the end, is exactly what happened. All any one in the press can focus on is the freakin "TV" personality, well guess what folks?? HE WAS MARRIED AND HAD 2 CHILDREN TOO!!!!!!! There is no "Victims" here other than the innocent Children, who now have no father's and a woman who is scarred for life. Try explaining that as your Son grows up. RIP Wayne, and Condolences to the other man's Wife and Children.

          • Rob123 posted at 5:07 am on Sat, Mar 9, 2013.

            Rob123 Posts: 6606

            "Giving up doesn't always mean you are weak; sometimes it means that you are strong enough to let go." ~Author Unknown

          • libra42 posted at 11:54 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            I've never gotten a complete handle on Jennydoe. Now I see the whole picture and it's not pretty.
            How twisted can you get?

          • Bronco posted at 11:29 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            Bronco Posts: 4328

            Any one of us could snap if the pressures and stress gets overwhelming. That shouldn't negate all the good we have done.

          • gfl111 posted at 9:26 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            gfl111 Posts: 1

            Jenny you're a complete moron. Do us a favor and keep your ignorant opinions to yourself.

          • MominWG posted at 8:30 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            MominWG Posts: 1

            This is a profoundly sad tragedy. My heart goes out to the Bengtson's, as well as the family of the man killed. I am grateful for all the good memories I have of Wayne. He was a good human being. No one is in the position to judge, whether we admit it or not, we are all capable of making irrational and terrible choices.

          • Heather94 posted at 7:56 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            Heather94 Posts: 1

            I grew up with the Bengston family, and they are all wonderful people. It is so sad that so many families are hurting, and suffering such a loss. I will be praying for Greg and Wayne's families tonight. There is no way for anyone to know what caused this, or what anyones state of mind was at the time. Some of these comments are so incensitive, and ignorant, I hope none of you have to face a tragedy of your own.

          • jennydoe posted at 7:43 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Gee Billy, what kind of business do you think they were conducting at 10:30 pm at her mother's home that couldn't be conducted during normal business hours? Maybe he wasn't great, but he was very well decent!
            Wayne's widow is an attractive individual and Greg was used to getting the big game. It is what it is.

          • jennydoe posted at 7:09 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Come on Sd1323, sitting in jail makes a good father? What he did may have not been right, but now his widow will forever and ever have that scene in her head. Someday she will have to explain it to their son. What better revenge could be brought? He loved her, she done him wrong - apparently he couldn't live with that fact.

          • Billy posted at 7:07 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            Billy Posts: 72

            Great man jenny?
            Left his child without a father is why he is not great, sd?
            keep zipped up James?

            Tri-fecta of stupid comments.

            They were at the kitchen table discussing business.

          • james posted at 6:39 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            james Posts: 516

            leson here , keep your pants up and zipped

          • Sd1323 posted at 6:14 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            Sd1323 Posts: 1

            I'm sorry jennydoe, he may very well have married the wrong woman but a great man would not have murdered someone and left his own child without a father.

          • jennydoe posted at 4:43 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            RIP Wayne. You were a great man that married the wrong woman.

          • 888111 posted at 1:47 pm on Fri, Mar 8, 2013.

            888111 Posts: 541

            he at least saved the taxpayers a lot of money,


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