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Posted: Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:49 pm | Updated: 8:53 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

An entourage of county officials and representatives from PayneWest Insurance toured the Flathead County Agency on Aging facility on Friday to begin addressing short-term fixes for a number of safety concerns at the rented building on Kelly Road.

Lisa Sheppard, who began work as the Agency on Aging director last November, recently forwarded a list of concerns to County Administrator Mike Pence after discussing them with the Area IX Advisory Council on Aging.

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          36 comments:

          • liteinlife posted at 4:42 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

            liteinlife Posts: 16

            Fiscalconservative -

            You're comments sound a lot like those of county commissioner Cal Scott, who apparently perjured himself in court, lied about his background, had 22 credit cards and over $250,000 worth of bankruptcy debt. Now he wants to spend nearly 3 million taxpayer dolllars on a new AOA building that has no plan and pushes out our 4-H Program. It's my understanding that the word on the street is Cal Scott could have something to gain by spending taxpayer money on a new building with no plan and getting rid of our 4-H Program and destroying our Fairgrounds. Will Cal Scott replace Joe Brenneman as the new 3 Million Dollar Man? Cal Scott is a walking, talking conflict of interest.

            Unlike you, FiscalConservative, I don't have to make-up lies about Cal Scott like you have done about Commissioner Holmquist and the landowners on Kelly Road. All of Cal Scott's sordid, dark history has been well documented and well-covered by the Interlake. If we're lucky, maybe the Interlake will report on any behind-the-scenes, closed door shenanigans of this manufactured AOA fiasco of which Cal Scott is likely a key player.

            Ralph Waldo Emerson's quote describes Cal Scott perfectly: "The more he spoke of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." If Cal Scott is allowed to spend taxpayer dollars the way he spent money on his credit cards, the County could be missing more than a few spoons....more like 3 Million.

             
          • why posted at 3:44 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

            why Posts: 19

            The things that fiscalconservative makes up kind of sounds a lot like when "Credit Card" Cal Scott made up that he had an engineering degree when he didn't. I wonder if maybe fiscalconservative and "Credit Card" Cal Scott are one and the same?

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            FiscalConservative -

            John Stokes didn't think he could be sued for LIBEL either and look where he's at today. The Gardners now own his radio station.

            Post lies at your own peril, FiscalConservative. You're making a LIBEL case for the Lapp family stronger by the day.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 3:11 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            The data does not support that onthemark. They have one of the highest satisfaction rates in the state for this type of program. Polls show that the food is very very good considering the hardships endured to produce it. The people that I have had the pleasure of meeting are hard working dedicated focused people that want nothing more than the community support they deserve. God bless them for the work they do. 50k was spent by the county putting a bow on a pig ten years ago. It was supposed to be temporary until new locations could be located after the sudden and wasteful sale of the old hospital. The kitchen alone was worth several times as much as the county got at auction. Yes the commissioners caused this problem and yes they need to fix it before it gets anymore embarrassing. They should have left it in the old hospital rather than throwing all the equity out the window at an auction. The current sight has become more and more cramped in spite of additional space being added at one point. It was never intended to be a home to AOA for over a decade. IT stands to reason that it would be inadequate at this point even if good planning was in place for long term residence. IF you want to throw blame you need to go back 10 years and check every meeting where this subject came up. The fact that the AOA is still there after all these years in spite of poor conditions is the first reason that conflict of interest rears its head. Why is the agency still in a building owned by political insiders that benefit each time a decision is made to leave it where it is? solve this now? go rent another building after putting it out for bid. With the number of vacant properties in the valley, I am sure at least one will fit the bill and the rent would not likely change all that much. ten years ago real estate was valued a bit dearer as you may remember. The higher rates quoted in the article above are hutton ranch plaza rates and are over inflated compared to downtown and certainly as compared to a barn on kelly rd.

             
          • why posted at 2:05 pm on Thu, Feb 28, 2013.

            why Posts: 19

            From what I hear on the street, the puppet master in this diabolical scheme is none other than "Pull Your Credit Card Out" Cal. I dought that there is lick of truth to anything we're reading about this AOA buidling, assuming the author is Credit Card Cal. Need I remind anyone that Credit Card Cal was also reported to have lied under oath in this very News Paper.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 4:15 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            The problems you are describing have everything to do with PROGRAM OPERATIONS at AOA. The employees of AOA are responsible for how that program is run. They made the building exactly the way they wanted it and are now blaming the hazards they're creating on the landowners. SHAMEFUL!!!
            You wanna dig deeper? Dig into how the AOA program is run and the extent of the program - you'll be amazed.

            There is nothing wrong with the intergrity of the structure of that building. It is one of the newest and nicest buildings on Kelly Road. What happens if the Lapp family decides they've had enough of these lies and issues a 30 notice on AOA to vacate? Then what will become of the AOA kitchen and the elderly? Where will they be housed if they have to vacate in 30 days?

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 3:34 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            I am a military veteran with most of my experience in food service management. My interest in the facility stems from having walked through the building with a friend I happened to be accompanying that day. I saw the kitchen and food storage area through the eyes of mess sgt. and unit sanitation inspector. I have cooked in worse places for sure due to mission constraints etc. What I saw in this facility can only be compared to field expedient kitchens of an extremely temporary nature. The facility is dangerous because of food storage temp issues and simple inadequacy. A failure to meet facility standards in every way. IT is a great credit to the people who work there under these conditions. As for the food, Its the usual govt commodity low value food. We can have another separate conversation about providing actual real food in the program if you like. It is a topic with huge budget considerations. IT is possible with the right planning and focus to provide much better quality meals than they do. It would require a number of significant changes initially though. The facility is no less dangerous for the meals on wheels recipients as they are eating the same food. I suppose they won't have to worry about tripping on the cords under the carpet.
            I choose not to address your latest rant point by point because it is ridiculous. The only reason I have anything to say about the AOA is because we are spending money on a program in an ineffective and inefficient manner. We are not serving our elderly by relegating them to a refitted barn. Your last post reflects the liberal tactic of character assassination as a means to win an argument that is otherwise lost. I half expect you to play the race card next. Our elderly deserve the services that they have been promised and they deserve to be given the funding necessary to solve this problem one way or the other. The current building is a constant waste of funds. I submit once again, since you seem incapable of reading the last three times, my preference would be to see the same 52k spent to rent an adequate facility of which there are several to choose from. If they decide to build a new building, it does have a place and its not on the fairgrounds proper. It is the vacant land north of the fairgrounds so the nonsense about changing our fairgrounds into something other than a fairgrounds is hogwash. None of the proposals I have seen are property tax based monies so the local tax payer burden is also a non issue.

            one more time for the slow reader.......
            My position is not about the building or its possible replacement per se. My position is that money will be saved when we hold our local govt accountable to a standard code of ethics. political favor or the appearance thereof given to large donors and/or campaign managers etc is conflict of interest and provides the potential for corruption. A review of the latest happenings in lake county shows where this road leads. They have a county prosecutor that will not prosecute corruption even when the evidence of three different enforcement agencies shows that crimes have occurred. If you are going to spend my money, expect me to check up on where and how it is distributed.

            Let the gnashing of teeth begin right of center. IF anyone in this conversation is anti elderly it would be you.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 12:59 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            There is no conflict of interest, the conflict of interest only resides in fiscalconservative's mind, quit making up lies.

            fiscalconservative is trying to throw the most needy elderly people under the bus and has a conflict of interest against needy elderly people. The most needy elderly people can't drive to the eating facility, but need assistance for daily living in their homes. This is why the meals on wheels program is so important. The purpose of the Older Americans Act is to keep elderly citizens living on their own as long as possible. The most needy elderly citizens for this service are people who can not leave their homes and need assistance in their homes such as meals on wheels. The most needy elderly people need case workers to help them in their daily lives. This is where the resources should be spent.

            People like fiscalconservative want to squander the financial resources on citizens who are the least needy, those who can drive to the facility and therefore are throwing the most needy citizens under the bus. The next thing you know is fiscalconservative will want to feed them dog food.

            When you lie it is libel. I hope the Lapps read your posts and pursue whatever legal action they can against you.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 12:20 pm on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            The conflict of interest is happening now. It may have been 10 years ago as well. It would be interesting to dig a bit deeper. I have no personal agenda towards the Lapp's. I voted for Holmquist. whether or not its a lease or month to month does nothing to mitigate conflict of interest. I would be tickled if someone did an in depth revue of all the commissioners and their connections to county contracts. In reference to this case, a look at whether or not Lapp's had connections with the commissioners seated when this building was first chosen. I don't know where you get the idea that the commissioners have voted for this on every turn other than perhaps this article. A talk with those in agency shows a different story. "We are not going to do that" was the most recent quote I heard. pretty much done talking in circles with right of center and Russ. The assumption that I must be liberal because I won't toe the party line is offensive. IF Republicans would listen and ACT upon the wishes of their conservative base, they would have less trouble getting elected. Conservative republican voters stayed home last election because they did not believe that the candidates available to choose from would represent them. As a result we have 4 more years of economic doom to deal with. open your mind to the idea that politicians must be watched and held accountable even if they are from your own party. The lack of voter oversight as gotten us to exactly where we are today. As I said before truth as evidenced by numerous public access files and news reports is not libel no matter how damaging it might be. You will find me speaking up anytime I find evidence of misfeasance or malfeasance in public office no matter who is involved. I would hope that others will be as well.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 8:16 am on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            Fiscalconservative -

            Let's review shall we? Commissioner Holmquist wasn't in office 10 years ago when AOA leased the facility on Kelly Road. She had nothing to do with that lease then or now. In fact, there is no lease with AOA and the property owner because it's now on a month to month basis - an agreement that no other business person would ever agree to nor should they. A month-to-month lease doesn't provide any type of security for either side. The fact that the property owners have agreed to this month-to-month arrangement is a testimony to the caring for the community of the Lapps and their partners.

            Secondly, if the Commissioners were in bed with Lapps as you claim, then why have they voted to advance this new facility at every turn? Every vote they've taken on this is to get AOA into a new building and out of the Kelly Road location. So much for your "conspiracy" claim.

            I would again caution you to choose your words carefully as you are treading on the thin ice of LIBEL and it is my opinion the Lapps have a strong case for that. Until the AOA builds a new facility, what would you have them do with their kitchen operation between now and then?

             
          • RussCrowder posted at 7:29 am on Wed, Feb 27, 2013.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            fiscalconservative, the guy that wants to spend $2, or is it $3 million, on a new AOA building at the fairgrounds, might be right. It would probably be kinda fun to watch the "granny walker" races across Meridian Road during fair week. Maybe we could even offer betting services along with the horse races, bringing in a few extra bucks to the county.......Seriously though folks: I can understand old fiscalconservative on a vendetta against the Lapp's, after the last election his butt is still no doubt sore. What is puzzling is why the Daily InterLake seems hell bent on stirring up and promoting this "MANUFACTURED CRISIS"? I don't see that this whole "minor" issue is doing anything but dividing our community, and for what?

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 5:32 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            Reliable sources tell me that defacto County Manager Mike Pence is now throwing a number of around 3 million for this AOA building. This whole thing is starting to sound more and more like the 911 Center disaster running over budget, a substandard building that leaked and was not properly planned out or vetted. We are still trying to deal with the consequences of that poor decision making. I wouldn't dought before this is over that it could cost us 5 million. It is a moving target since there is no plan and no adequate proposed place to put it.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 5:28 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            you are way off base. The county has been studiously avoiding the issue for most of the 10 years. It was billed as a temporary home for AOA while the county found them a permanent home. 10 years is a long time for temporary. I suggest once again that you tour the building. The food storage area reaches horrific temps in the summer, the safety issues for seniors abound. temporary wiring under carpets, no insulation resulting in horrific power costs. The total costs for running the facility would be MUCH better spent elsewhere without adding a dime. For what its worth, my impression is that the commissioners don't want to touch this with a ten foot pole. This article is the first indication to the contrary that I have seen.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 5:09 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            The county spent over 50k to retrofit this building with what was needed for the AOA building. It was the county's decision to seek out this building and spend tens of thousands of dollars on improvements to meet the needs of the AOA program around 10 years ago. From what I can find out, there is no lease contract that exists on this building today. It is rented on a month to month basis, so the county could pull out any time they want. To try to blame this whole fiasco on anybody but the county is nonsense. The county went out an created a MANUFACTURED crisis that does not exist so they can con us tax payers into building a new 2 million dollar building. The whole concocted plan is so bad that at the same time they are trying to destroy our fairgrounds and turn it into something else other than a fairgrounds. I am totally opposed to using PILT money for an AOA building, it should be used for our road system. Our road system benefits us all, the AOA building only benefits a very few. The PILT money should and must be spent on improving our road system.

            The county has sort of out smarted itself now, because it appears to me that they have purposely tried to put out negative press about the current AOA building as an excuse to get a new building built. It also appears that county has purposely not fixed the issues they have been complaining about in order to make it look worse. Now, it is clear that the county has created a situation where we as tax payers could be liable for big damages because the county has publically broadcast problems that they refused to correct and if someone gets hurt as a result it could end up costing us a bundle.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 4:52 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            Still not reading the posts? Starting to look silly? I am not in favor of a new building just in favor of spending our money on something worth the 52k per year that isn't under a cloud of controversy. I am sure there are at least 5 buildings sitting empty that would love the chance to throw a bid in on the lease contract that may in fact be suitable for human habitation. I suggest both of you go down and tour the AOA facility before you spout off. I am here as a conservative telling you that something needs done to fix this. I would of course like to see the cheapest course of action. There are a lot of details about this plan that you have not seen and that is also the fault of the commissioners. The appearance is that they have tried to sideline change in this contract for sometime due to an inappropriate relationship with the owners. IF that is not the case then they owe the taxpayers the whole story so we can rest easy in the knowledge that our govt is serving us the people. I have seen the new building proposal and the money is primarily slated to come from PILT money. Payment in lieu of taxes. This is money given to the counties to offset lost tax revenue due to federal lands in the county. Its not a grant. Its income to the county for infrastructure. sale of the senior center would offset an additional portion. With careful planning I think it could be done without any federal grants and without any tax revenue. If you must spend spend smart. show us all the options and then let the public speak.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 4:21 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            fiscalconservative said:

            "Receiving a county rental contract from commissioners that you put in office could not be more of a conflict of interest if you tried. "

            It appears that fiscalconservative has a real problem with the truth. The rental contract for the AOA bulding was seeked out by the county around 10 years ago. I believe Watne, Gipe and Williams were commissioners. Quit making up lies to try to push this scheme of yours on the tax payers of Flathead County.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 4:18 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            "Receiving a county rental contract from commissioners that you put in office could not be more of a conflict of interest if you tried. "

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 4:16 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            It appears to me that you have the conflict of interest. You are trying to shove a 2 million dollar building down the throats of the Flathead County Tax payers that is not needed, has not been presented to the public and does not even have a viable location to put it. It is obvious that you are willing to do anything to shove this scheme of yours down the throats of the Flathead County tax payers.

            Your low down accusations against people are bottom of the barrel and like I said before, if you were doing it to me I would have already pusued legal action.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 3:29 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            having trouble reading the last post ? conflict of interest proof is right there linked special just for you. I can see how you are confused though since this type of thing is rampant at every level of government right now. Obama appointed Monsanto's lobbyist to head the FDA for instance. The govt agency responsible for policing monsanto is now run by monsanto. Receiving a county rental contract from commissioners that you put in office could not be more of a conflict of interest if you tried. Voting to maintain that contract when there are clearly no redeeming qualities in the deal or the building smacks of the next level. You may be aware that perception is everything in politics. The appearance of evil can get you in just as much trouble as evil itself. Libel requires the telling of an untruth that is damaging in some way. The truth can also be damaging it is not however Libel. The whole county should know that Lapp's have been campaign managers for numerous county and city officials its in the paper in print. The most recent is linked in the response below. The rest of the proof is in the article above. Based on the article linked, Pam Holmquist has a conflict of interest regarding county contracts with Lapp's. Whether or not she has taken the step of acting on that conflict and committed corruption is not apparent yet nor judged by this writer.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 3:06 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181


            Following is the definition of libel, unless you can provide proof of your accusations of "corruption" regarding the Lapps and County Commissioners to show they are true, it appears to me that you are engaging in libel. You have also claimed that elected officials need to step down and provided a definition of conflict of interest with absolutely no evidence supporting such corruption or conflict of interest. If your statements are untrue and it damages the Lapps or their business, then it is libel. You have also called yourself fiscalconservative and now want to squander 2 million dollars on a building that is not needed and has no viable plan or no viable place to put it. We don't even know the total cost of the building because there is no plan. You are no fiscal conservative. A fiscal conservative would not want to squander 2 million dollars of tax payer money without a viable plan and getting a buy in from the tax paying public.

            1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others. Libel is the written or broadcast form of defamation, distinguished from slander, which is oral defamation. It is a tort (civil wrong) making the person or entity (like a newspaper, magazine or political organization) open to a lawsuit for damages by the person who can prove the statement about him/her was a lie. Publication need only be to one person, but it must be a statement which claims to be fact and is not clearly identified as an opinion. While it is sometimes said that the person making the libelous statement must have been intentional and malicious, actually it need only be obvious that the statement would do harm and is untrue. Proof of malice, however, does allow a party defamed to sue for general damages for damage to reputation, while an inadvertent libel limits the damages to actual harm (such as loss of business) called special damages. Libel per se involves statements so vicious that malice is assumed and does not require a proof of intent to get an award of general damages. Libel against the reputation of a person who has died will allow surviving members of the family to bring an action for damages. Most states provide for a party defamed by a periodical to demand a published retraction. If the correction is made, then there is no right to file a lawsuit. Governmental bodies are supposedly immune to actions for libel on the basis that there could be no intent by a non-personal entity, and further, public records are exempt from claims of libel. However, there is at least one known case in which there was a financial settlement as well as a published correction when a state government newsletter incorrectly stated that a dentist had been disciplined for illegal conduct. The rules covering libel against a "public figure" (particularly a political or governmental person) are special, based on U.S. Supreme Court decisions. The key is that to uphold the right to express opinions or fair comment on public figures, the libel must be malicious to constitute grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Minor errors in reporting are not libel, such as saying Mrs. Jones was 55 when she was only 48, or getting an address or title incorrect. 2) v. to broadcast or publish a written defamatory statement.

            See also: defamation libel per se public figure slander

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 1:44 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            @ the rest of you. I have never said I was in favor of a new 2 million dollar building. I have said that if the taxpayers money is being spent on a program then the taxpayers should get their money's worth. This was to be a temporary home for AOA a decade ago. The struggle to get a decent facility has been ongoing since that time. The taxpayers are paying 52k a year for the rental of a barn. I submit at least one option would be to put it out for a bid to any of the empty buildings in kalispell that might be suitable. I am sure a better rental situation could be achieved.
            A closer look at the building plan reveals that a multi use building is being proposed that would house not only AOA but also the senior center (who's current location could be sold to help defray costs), the extension/4H from the fair side, and any number of other community organizations that might be able to use space after hours. These organizations need better facilities as well and no doubt would be costing us all money soon anyway. simply by putting them in the same building we are able to reduce costs by sharing bathrooms, kitchen space, etc. These are some of the more costly items when building and maintaining. IF we must build we should do it in a rational manner that saves the county money over time rather than watching the rent check fly out the window each month for perpetuity. The county is going to spend money. That's the way the world works. Our first job as fiscal conservatives is to insure that money spent is being utilized as efficiently as possible to the greatest benefit of the taxpayers not the greatest benefit of a few insiders. Politics have reached a new low in the last 10 years . We no longer have a two party system. We have a two headed snake. The people must stand up and object if this is to ever change.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 1:32 pm on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            @rightofcenter

            Conflict of interest
            From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
            For other uses, see Conflict of Interest (disambiguation).
            A conflict of interest (COI) occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in another.
            The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety. Therefore, a conflict of interest can be discovered and voluntarily defused before any corruption occurs. A widely used definition is: “A conflict of interest is a set of circumstances that creates a risk that professional judgment or actions regarding a primary interest will be unduly influenced by a secondary interest.”[1] Primary interest refers to the principal goals of the profession or activity, such as the protection of clients, the health of patients, the integrity of research, and the duties of public office. Secondary interest includes not only financial gain but also such motives as the desire for professional advancement and the wish to do favors for family and friends, but conflict of interest rules usually focus on financial relationships because they are relatively more objective, fungible, and quantifiable. The secondary interests are not treated as wrong in themselves, but become objectionable when they are believed to have greater weight than the primary interests. The conflict in a conflict of interest exists whether or not a particular individual is actually influenced by the secondary interest. It exists if the circumstances are reasonably believed (on the basis of past experience and objective evidence) to create a risk that decisions may be unduly influenced by secondary interests.
            William K. Black insists that "Conflicts of interest matter."[2] In the run up to the Savings and loan crisis of the 1980s and early 1990s, control frauds like Charles Keating were able to get legislators like Speaker of the House Jim Wright, the Keating Five Senators and majorities in both the US House and Senate to suppress investigations of massive criminality until their Ponzi schemes finally collapsed. Only then did citizen pressure and media involvement force political action. Then regulators filed thousands of criminal referrals that translated into over a thousand felony convictions. The current foreclosure and Subprime mortgage crisis is similar to the run up to the S&L crisis with zero criminal referrals and zero prosecutions of key finance executives. Black calls this the de facto decriminalization of elite financial fraud.[3] As with the S&L crisis, the current situation is facilitated by conflicts of interest in the media and the US system of privately funded political campaigns......

            Lapps are and were the campaign managers for several of the comissioners and other local politicians.

            http://www.flatheadbeacon.com/articles/article/general_election_results/20281

            Lapp's are benefiting from a county contract in the form of lease agreement for the AOA building.

            That is textbook conflict of interest for anyone in county government that can effect the decision making process on this issue that has any previous dealings with the Lapp's.

            you may also note that conflict of interest does not rise to the level of criminality until acted upon for ones own benefit.

             
          • RussCrowder posted at 7:14 am on Tue, Feb 26, 2013.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            That was fun, ONTHEMARK.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 9:05 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            Almost as fun to watch as when averagejoe's heroes Joe 'the 3 millions dollar man" Brenneman; Gilbert V. Jordan and Clara Mears-LaChappelle went down the tubes in a landslide with their anti-property rights, anti-business agenda.

             
          • averagejoe posted at 6:33 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            averagejoe Posts: 253

            I love when so called fiscal conservatives apply for federal grants for projects they want and then scream and holler about federal spending being out of control. I guess it is only bad when the federal money is spent on things that conservatives don't like, things like helping single mothers and education.
            This sets up a pretty bad conundrum for Holmquist,Scott, and Krueger, if they decide to move out of the barn the Lapp's lose a pretty good lease which would be substantially less if its put on the market now, and after all the political help these three got from the Lapp's and American Dream there will probably be some hard feelings. And if the commisioners decide to keep it where it presently is there will be charges of favoritism. This should be fun to watch.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 5:17 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            You need to provide proof of a conflict of interest or the supposed "corruption" you claim or you are teetering on defamation of character, libel and slander. If I were the Lapp's or Commissioner Holmquist, I would have already contacted an attorney to see about possible options. When you knowingly write false information in an attempt to besmirch the reputation of good people and their business that is the definition of libel.

            Now lets focus on the real low down scheme that is going on to con the tax payers of Flathead County into buying a 2 million dollar building that has been concocted mostly behind closed doors. Lets revisit who is pressing the hardest for this 2 million dollar fiasco. An ex-commissioner, who is a lifetime govt' employee; the AOA program director who is an imported out of state gov't bureaucrat ; a County Manager, who has done nothing but skyrocket the county budget since he got here. Is it no suprise that these people want to spend 2 million tax payer dollars with no plan or place to put the AOA building?
            It looks to me like there is a conspiracy alright, but I think you are blaming it on the wrong people. Are you one of the bad actors in the conspiracy play fiscalconservative?

             
          • RussCrowder posted at 5:14 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            fiscalconservative eh? Tell me Mr. fiscalconservative, regardless of the politics "you claim" has been going on for the past ten years concerning this issue, as a fiscalconservative, can we afford another $2 million county building right now? And as an obvious committed fiscalconservative with no particular political agenda to promote, how does spending $2 million vs. renting pencil out, given the fiscal uncertainty and incompetent national leadership we will all have to deal with for some time to come that is no doubt going to hit all of the Flathead's taxpayers hard? .... I suspect that it is Mr. Lapp's record while serving as a volunteer on many public boards in the county, of standing up for the Private Property Rights of the Flathead's citizens, that you really find so offensive about this present "MANUFACTURED" AOA controversy.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 4:46 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            Last I checked, conflict of interest was a big deal with most people but not so much in government. The simple solution is to have everyone previously connected with the Lapp's recuse themselves voluntarily from the decision making process on this one and any others involving a situation where Lapp's stand to make money off of a local govt decision.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 4:41 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            Rightofcenter absolutely the county caused this by renting the building in the first place. The owners of the building have been driving county level politics for a very long time. A simple search of the internet shows that they have been involved in campaigns of at least 6 or 7 local officials and have been the recipients of numerous board positions, land development deals and rental contracts that all smack of quid pro quo good old boy politics. I have not said anything that isn't readily apparent to anyone willing to read a few news articles. on 5-19-10, a brutus commented....
            Let’s see .. if we vote holmquest, the we will have to have Meehan. of course that means we need dupont who is them followed by fisher. good lord Mickey Lapp will own the whole county.. thank God the judges races are safe——oops does Ortley’s material look an awful lot…" clearly I am not the first to notice that The Lapp's seem to have an unholy alliance with county govt. I make no judgements but simply wish to raise the level of awareness in the county. We montanan's have a long history of paying lip service to law and justice and then confidently doing the things the way they have always been done in spite of law and justice. political favor and corruption are old hat here and somewhere we must draw the line. I did insinuate that the relationship Lapp's have with the county govt may be effecting the current decision making.

             
          • 888111 posted at 1:54 pm on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            888111 Posts: 541

            i had to stop reading half way thru,the decision making of these people are similar to 5th graders on a all expense trip to never never land,

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 11:29 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            fiscalconservative read the article!! The county created the problem when they seeked out this building and rented it around 10 years ago. The county rented this building around 10 years ago and Pam Holmquist was not a commissioner now was she? Bob Watne, Howard Gipe and Dale Williams were the commissioners if my memory is correct The county seeked out this building, retrofitted it and spent around $50,000 dollars of our hard earned tax money. Now we are told that the county did a substandard job and we need to have a whole new building to the tune of 2 millions dollars. What a low down scheme. And we are supposed to believe this scheme even though the county has rented this building for around 10 years and not a peep about how bad this location was for the last ten years.

            Now the imported government employees hired by the AOA want us tax payers to spend around 2 million dollars for a building with no viable plan and no viable place to put it. Makes me wonder whos pockets are being lined in the scheme that will cost us millions. The latest proposal I heard was to put it on the fair grounds, which is not big enough to accomodate the parking for the fair. I do not want our fair grounds turned into an office complex. It is a fairgrounds.

            It looks to me like you are throwing out an awful lot of accusations about people with no documentation of your low down rhetoric. If you have proof of this you need to produce it, otherwise this type of rhetoric in my opinion is getting awfully close to being libel.

             
          • fiscalconservative posted at 10:18 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            fiscalconservative Posts: 11

            While I applaud the application of spending limits in the general attitude of those commenting so far, I have much deeper concerns.
            1) why do we have a food program in a barn in the first place. The building is so poorly insulated that the food storage area can reach very unsafe temps. This building should have never been a choice for this agency. It is an old auction barn. I find the rent price highly inflated when one compares apples to apples. The price per square foot being described as a bargain when compared to other commercial office space in kalispell is a crock of you know what. I could rent my garage out as an apartment by throwing up a few false walls. That doesn't make it worth the same as a real apartment.

            2) what is the county doing renting property from the campaign managers of Pam Holmquist? I believe they also stumped for a few other local politicians as well. Is this the real reason the commissioners have refused to make the shift in the past? If you are slow to see where I am going with this, its called corruption, conflict of interest, and is unfortunately the main mode of operation in county government today.

            The county is throwing 52,000 dollars a year to a political supporter for an inferior substandard building that is fit only for storage space. I would much rather see the dollars spent on a facility that can meet the needs of our seniors. The county has been asked for a new facility that meets a valid need. It does not have to be a new construction.If something suitable is available and cheaper I don't think anyone would complain about any facility new or used that might fill the bill. The current builiding is a travesty.

             
          • ONTHEMARK posted at 9:23 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            ONTHEMARK Posts: 85

            I thought we voted at least twice against the manager form of government. Why is Mike Pence along with Dale Lauman trying to shove a 2 million dollar building down our throats? The answer is pretty easy, because county managers are always empire builders. The more money they spend and the bigger they make government the more successful they are and all the more to pad their resume for their next bigger and better job. Look at the county budget since Pence came into town, it has skyrocketed since the inception of Mike Pence. This is great fodder for Pence's resume. Remember County Managers are nothing more than migrant workers. Leaving ever bigger bloated government behind each place they leave.

            We now have a manufactured crisis, created by two out of state government employees, Mike Pence and Lisa Sheppard along with a former County Commissioner Dale Lauman, who by the way was also a lifetime government employee. What a dasterdly scheme.

             
          • mom posted at 8:23 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            mom Posts: 629

            Stand in the parking lot and do a 360 sweep. Gross, huh? Watch what happens when the wind blows. Ick. Notice the dirt roads and weedfields across the street. No Class. Come on, make it part of the revitalization downtown, in the center of the city, where it belongs. Get by for now but plan something nice, and expandable, please. Quit being stupid.

             
          • RussCrowder posted at 7:44 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            If this whole fiasco ends up costing the taxpayers a bundle, you can thank former county commissioner Dale Lauman and de-facto county manager Mike Pence for scheming together to create a "CRISIS" out of nothing.

             
          • RIGHTOFCENTER posted at 7:29 am on Mon, Feb 25, 2013.

            RIGHTOFCENTER Posts: 181

            "The county invested around $50,000 to retrofit the barn-like structure to accommodate aging services."

            Hmmmm!!!! Looks to me that the county created the safety problems since they retrofitted the barn just like any renter has to do with rented space and apparently did a substandard job in the first place. Now the county is trying to blame the problems they created on on the landlord, shameful!!!!

            What always happens when we import an out of state government employee like Lisa Sheppard? We all of a sudden need to spend millions and millions of tax payer dollars on a new building. Of course this building has been perfectly adequate for around 10 years with no complaints. But now all of a sudden when a new out of state government employee struts into town we need to spend 2 million on a new building. Something doesn't pass the smell test here.

            And what about Mike Pence refusing to fund and authorize the repairs at the building. He is ignoring known problems and putting possible liability on the citizens of Flathead County.

             

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