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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:00 pm

LIBBY — A thrilling hunt ended in the worst way for several local cat hunters, as a harrowing night led to an unexpected and sad end.

Three hounds set loose in wild country by their owners to tree a mountain lion were never again seen alive by their owners.

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          • MfgMan posted at 4:36 pm on Fri, Feb 22, 2013.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            The article is wrong about it being a beagle...this was corrected in a later edition of the Libby paper. Also, while I've never hunted lions, I would think that the sport is as much about training one's dogs as it is that actual kill.

            Sad to hear someone lost their dogs, but truly it's a risk you take.

          • Fast posted at 5:03 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

            Fast Posts: 248

            O ya all elk where kill with a bow.

          • Fast posted at 5:02 pm on Wed, Feb 20, 2013.

            Fast Posts: 248

            TIRED OF THE WINERS! I see wolves every third or forth time I go hiking. And when I do see hunters they are make so much noise they could wake the dead or
            So drunk they should not be it the field with guns.
            - 13 Bull Elk
            - 22 mule deer
            - a lot of White Tai
            - called in hundreds of varmints

          • montanaeasy56 posted at 7:20 pm on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

            montanaeasy56 Posts: 234

            I wonder why these "left wing" groups get all the credit when bad things happen. A little research and you would find that at the time of re-introduction (1995), I believe publican marc Racicot was in charge of a publican controlled legislature. Their silence on the wolf debacle was deafening at the time as I recall. The FWP Commissioner at the time was also a Libby native and was almost giddy about the prospect of getting "another species" to hunt. (His words, not mine). I wonder what would have happened if the publican governor and publican legislature at the time would have invoked the 10th amendment and advised the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, "if you put wolves in Montana, keep them on federal property or we will kill them." That simple little thing didn't happen. The idiots at FWP were looking for another gob of revenue for their many wasted surveys, studies and research. It's call job security. I think the commissioner at the time felt a tingle down his leg at just the thought of killing a wolf. They helped build the monster and now they have no friggin idea on how to manage the damn thing. We harvest 15% of the population and they re-populate at a rate of 30%, according to the experts at the FWP.

          • mtnative3181 posted at 4:41 pm on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

            mtnative3181 Posts: 1

            I agree DJ...the monkey man is probably non native too, California transplant. Do your research idiot...these wolves are not native to Montana...they are arctic tundra wolves transplanted here by left wing groups that you probably belong too!!! Just wait until these worthless animals kill and eat one of your precious poodles, and you'll be mad too. You kill a legal hound, legally chasing a cat...bar motel for you...

          • DJJackson posted at 11:09 am on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737


            You are advocating actions that are considered a felony in the state of Montana and could land you in jail for a pretty good stint, in addition to fines, restitution and other sanctions.

            It is illegal to interfere in in a lawful hunt in the state of Montana and you can also be arrested for unlawful destruction of personal property.

            Now we know, you pacifist would never advocate for illegal destructive activities, Right?

          • dailymonkey posted at 10:16 am on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

            dailymonkey Posts: 3

            Will the cougar eat cougar hunter meat? has anyone tried the meat from a cougar hunter?

          • dailymonkey posted at 10:09 am on Tue, Feb 19, 2013.

            dailymonkey Posts: 3

            these non native hunting hounds have no right being in the wilderness. Apply the SSS protocol on any hunting hound that you see. Although I suspect it may not be needed as the wolves will give any hunting hound that they see a permanent dirtnap. Non native hunting hounds all deserve a permanent dirtnap.[wink]

          • DJJackson posted at 10:08 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737

            I have several friends that eat cougar meat, it is quite tasty if you know how to cook it.

          • It's a beautiful day posted at 9:20 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            It's a beautiful day Posts: 1832


          • elk911 posted at 9:14 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            elk911 Posts: 1

            I feel sorry for the dogs, but my sympathies are even greater for the kids that grow up with a parent that kills for fun. They deserve better role models.

          • DJJackson posted at 6:12 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737


            Your ignorance is showing, most hound hunts do not involve the hounds attacking the prey, they simply tree the prey.

          • hollyzee posted at 6:07 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            hollyzee Posts: 1

            ok...so let me get this right..YOU took your dogs in the hope that they would chase and attack a wild animal and thats FUN...but when wild animals chased and attacked YOUR dogs...not fun maybe that should tell you something..the grief you feel for your dog is the way many animal lovers feel when you go into the woods to kill a living being for no reason..Please stop!...and my sympathy for the dogs..not for you...just the dogs.

          • DJJackson posted at 4:47 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737

            Oops, dailymonkey, of course, if you are a monkey, I know you should be put down, your not even in the right part of the world, jerk!

          • DJJackson posted at 4:46 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737

            dalily hiker, with your attitude, perhaps people should just start dropping hikers! Duck buddy, you might have lead heading your way, along with your non-native dog that hikes with you, how would that be?

          • DJJackson posted at 4:43 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737


            With the population levels of humans that live in the draws and valley's in Western Montana, Cats have to be hunted, the proliferate quite easy, even if hound hunting was banned, there is still going to be hound hunting, FWP maintains hounds and they hire hound hunters to keep numbers down. People that keep moving to this area, just don't seem to grasp that they are one of the biggest problem, you are displacing wildlife. When you talk about predators, lions, bears, wolves, they need to be managed. Wiped out, no, manged yes.

          • dailymonkey posted at 1:35 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            dailymonkey Posts: 3

            glad the wolves gave these non native hunting hounds a permanent dirt nap. the wolf is the top dog. anyone who sees a hunting dog should follow the sss protocol. hounds have no place in the wild. if you see a hunting hound chasing wildlife, you drop that hound with some lead. wolves belong, hounds are non native and don't.[beam]

          • gorilla2323 posted at 1:29 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            Terry zINK, radical anti-wolf people like you really give hunters a bad name. Poisoning will never happen and SSS doesn't work in controlling wolf populations. the wolves keep the elk and deer in check. The wolves are not destroying Montana. Just because they eat a lot of deer and elk does not mean wolves are destroying Montana.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 1:28 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            How about be a real conservationist and don't kill lions at all? If you hound hunters really care about your dogs, don't run cats if you are scared of wolves. You only see your dogs as tools to be used to tree cats so you can shoot them. You let your dogs run loose, that is a RISK you take. Don't be surprised of your hounds get dead by wolves.

          • houndy65 posted at 12:41 pm on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            houndy65 Posts: 15

            To everyone that is bashing hunting with hounds, I would like to here what options you have for hunting Mountain Lions without hounds. Please tell me how we as hunters will harvest enuff lions to fill the FWP's lion quotas, IT WON'T HAPPEN, the only way you hunt mountain lions and harvest to fill quotas is with hounds, period. I tell what would happen if there was no hunting with lion with hounds. The cats would over run the valleys, kill a lot your little dogs & cats, livestock and sooner or later a person, more than likely a little kid. How would that make you as a anti hunter or even a person who does hunt, but is all about THE FAIR CHASE, ITS A LINE BULL!@@#, you would feel like you run over with truck. Then you would say well why don't we get someone to hunt this lion down, you know who the Montana FWP is going to call a HOUNDSMAN. So please wake the f!@#@# up and take a long look at where you are living. So, as far as the wolves go, the wolves days are becoming extremily numbered, poisoning is going to happen, shooting wolves in the guts is going to happen and the three SSS is already going on. We are losing our ungulates here in Montana at a rate never seen before, the Moose are pretty much done, that is a shame, the wolves are destroying Montana and a lifestyle.

            Thanks; Terry L. Zink Houndsman

          • DJJackson posted at 7:25 am on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            DJJackson Posts: 737

            Documentation Easy56, please provide a link for verification of the allegation.

          • montanaeasy56 posted at 7:14 am on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            montanaeasy56 Posts: 234

            After school children and several parents reported seeing wolves around the bus stops up Lake creek near Troy, the experts had to admit they had 'reintroduced" a "few" wolves. So, yes, the experts DID reintroduce wolves into NW Montana.

          • MJV24 posted at 12:34 am on Mon, Feb 18, 2013.

            MJV24 Posts: 134

            Parmenter and Flower Creek is where there are many families living.....it is sad the dogs died, but if they will attack and kill dogs, what about the young children that live there? Is something being done to encourage these wolf packs away from town?

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:45 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            " If you don't want your dog to get eaten don't take it out there. "

            well said mtdawg. common sense talk right there.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            These hound hunters feel bad for when wild animals kill their dogs, but why don't these hound hunters feel bad for all of the wild animals they kill? Seems like they are extremely hypocritical. They don't like it when wild animals kill their animals, but they have no problem when they kill wild animals. When you run hounds, there is a risk you take. I don't feel bad for the hound hunters as much as I do for the dogs. The wolves aren't the reason why your dogs die hound hunters, it's your stupidity and irresposibility that gets your dogs killed.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:36 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            Jeff Mercer does not know what he's talking about. Montana has trapped more wolves than Idaho and Idaho let's people use snares on wolves. It is time to debunk this myth that snares are more effective than foothold traps.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:31 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            Yeah Phil, something needs to be done. Hound hunters shouldn't use their hounds to chase cats up trees if they are afraid wolves are going to kill their dogs. Wolves will never change their natural behavior nor should they. Maybe it's time for hound hunters to finally give up their unpopular sport of chasing cats up trees with dogs, just so you can put a bullet in the cat and turn it into a trophy. Wolves are staying put in Montana.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:28 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            Hound owners should not be compensated if wolves kill their dogs. The hound hunters know of the risks of hunting cougars with lions. Wolves will kill hounds. This is natural wolf behavior. If hound hunters truly care about their hounds, don't let them run loose chasing cougars up trees.

          • gorilla2323 posted at 9:25 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            gorilla2323 Posts: 8

            The hound hunters are the ones to blame for their hunting dogs being killed. If you wanna let your dogs run loose to chase lions, be prepared for the risks and consequences. Wolves will never be listed as predators because they would go back on the endangered species list. It's real easy for hound hunters to blame the wolves for their dogs being killed, but the hound hunters are the ones to blame for their dogs being killed. If you don't like the risks out there, don't chase mountain lions with dogs.

          • bird72 posted at 9:19 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            bird72 Posts: 102

            Seems the risk of the sport these people play in. It is terrible for the dogs, but you are taking beagles in the world of big cats and wolves. just as we choose to live in this environment. risk is everywhere, I accept that.

          • photoguy posted at 9:18 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            Well Heathen, your friend is blowing smoke up your rear. I have been hunting the NF for over 20 years now and have watched them migrating in. This is the problem with both sides of this issue, neither side is telling the whole truth, but picking and playing with words that put forth their own agenda. if your friend was telling the truth, then why has he not come forth with this information other than to just a friend, with all the crap that goes on with this issue, I would think either side would love to get a legitimate hand up on the other.

            With the number of wolves that live just north of the border, what would stop them from migrating down this way? That said, why would they have to introduce wolves into an area that has a viable population of wolves already?

            Again, I call BS on your friend, just as I do with some of these pro wolf fanatics. If your friend has proof, then tell him to bring it forward and let everybody know about it.

          • Heathen posted at 8:35 am on Sun, Feb 17, 2013.

            Heathen Posts: 23

            Photoguy, you are mistaken when you say that wolves were not introduced here in Northwestern Montana, they were, but they kept it quiet. I know a couple of people personally that saw wolves being introduced in the Northfork area a few years back. It's time to start practicing the SSS method of wolf control, if you haven't already. (shoot, shovel, shutup)

          • BiggerMig posted at 9:32 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            BiggerMig Posts: 16

            So we're supposed to feel sorry for these folks who use animals to hunt animals because their animals were killed by animals? Survival of the fittest. Quit whining.

          • BiggerMig posted at 9:23 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            BiggerMig Posts: 16

            So we're supposed to feel sorry for these folks who use animals to hunt other animals because their animal got killed by another animal? Survival of the fittest. Quit whining.

          • montanaeasy56 posted at 8:56 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            montanaeasy56 Posts: 234

            This is only one of many wolf/human conflicts. When a son or daughter is jerked and shredded from a famiuly's back porch maybe, just maybe the idiots will realize how big of a monster they have turned back loose on the landscape. You can see the video on Youtube as well...copy and paste


          • photoguy posted at 5:28 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940


            NW Montana is not benefiting from wolves, there are other areas that are, that includes those areas they were reintroduced, the wolves in NW Montana are not reintroduced wolves, in fact most of the country has no idea we have wolves in NW Montana, people flock to Yellowstone, but they sure are not flocking to Glacier to see wolves.

          • ADONAIpups posted at 2:31 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            ADONAIpups Posts: 1

            Hi, I live near Libby... have too many Cats in my little Valley, they lay under the big trees above my Ranch Yard and watch me and my dogs...makes me pack a pistol at all times...

            For those who would dare post negative comments to the men and teenager who lost their great hunting dogs.. Shame on You... just go and read some stories of victims who have been killed or mauled by Cougars..
            There are too many predators now in Montana, competing for the few deer and elk that are left...
            I think folks who loose their good hunting dogs to wolves need to be compensated by the Wolf Management arm of the Government.... we buy licenses to train our hounds to hunt... we pay, we do what we can to be legal... I have lost both livestock and a great livestock guardien Hound to Cougar and Wolves, in the past... I know the pain of that... You can not compare a nicely placed bullet into a Treed Cougar to the death that was brought upon these three good hounds... Wolves eat the dogs alive... just like they eat their deer and elk...while they are still living... The Wolf Management team need to take out any known dog killing wolf pack... be it snare, trap or bullet.... these Wolves will target all hounds that they hear... just like you would take out Livestock killing wolves, take out these hound killing wolves and compensate the owners of the dead hounds..
            To Phil Soucy, Clyde Carpenter , Todd & Ryker Hittle, I am very very sorry for your loss!!!

            Cathie Warren

          • NWMT_resident posted at 2:11 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            NWMT_resident Posts: 1

            I'm guessing tourism brings more $ into Montana than hunting. Tourists often (usually?) come to see the gorgeous country and if they're lucky, the wildlife.
            In many parts of the country, people are appalled at the local attitudes about wolves. They are amazed they can even be hunted.

            Assuming that everyone local wants the wolves killed is mistaken. Many want them here -even with the risks. There are risks inherent in hunting, in hiking, in spending time in the wilderness.

            The deer and elk herds are healthier now than before wolf reintroduction. If hunters have to trek further to find game, that's all part of the process.

            It's sad that the dogs were killed - but it sounds like overconfident hunters.

            As with most things, those looking to solve the issue by telling environmentalists to leave town (or stay away) or kill all the wolves AND those looking to protect all wolves everywhere all the time - are simplistic thinkers and/or living in the wrong century.

          • photoguy posted at 1:33 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            To add, they are going to keep pushing it, and people are just going to start shooting the wolves and letting them lay, the day is closely approaching.

          • photoguy posted at 1:32 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            Actually campo, they do something, it is just not good, they don't go out in the field and help us pull fences, they don't help us repair boat ramps, they don't contribute their dollars to organizations that actually invest in the future, but they sure spend a heck of a lot of money on buying anti hunting judges! And then spend a lot of time in litigation trying to protect their furry, fuzzy buddies with sharp teeth!

          • Robert Seymour posted at 12:26 pm on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            Robert Seymour Posts: 41

            The emotional and financial loss of loosing three highly trained hunting dogs must be devastating... like loosing family. My heart goes out to Ryker on the loss of his dog Sadie. My son lost his dog Max back in 2000 to a mountain lion.

            I was raised in a hunting/trapping family. I have written about the wolf problem and I have seen the huge reduction in the deer herd in the last eight years first hand. Yes, snares are the only real way to get the wolf population under control. But we have feel good anthropomorphic reasoning guiding FWPs feeble attempts thus far to mitigate wolf expansion. Progress has been made, but too little and too late to save the deer and elk.

            I saw a huge wolf cross the road in on 93 near Olney recently. The way it sauntered across the road, taking his sweet time, you could see the cockiness and brazen attitude in its stride. Wolves seen/cohabitating in residential areas need to be taken out, period. They will kill wantonly if given opportunity. Next time, it will be a the death of a dog/pet belonging to someone visiting from California or some other la la land. Non-hunters wont ever realize how many wolves there are or how close they come to our homes, until one takes a bite out of their life and effects them personally.

            The wolf I saw was had a radio collar. If FWP knows wolves are cohabitating this close to residential ares, they have an obligation the eliminate that wolf or wolves. But they wont, because of the 'investment'/expense they have in the collared wolf for 'study'.

            Rich New Yorkers who would not allow deer to be thinned on their huge estates in Westchester County... that is until, they or someone they knew either came down with Lyme disease (which is epidemic in NY and spread by the tiny deer tick) or they hit Bambi with their expensive BMWs.

            ITS THE WOLF STUPID! http://www.dailyinterlake.com/article_b8b01268-0b25-11e0-a1ab-001cc4c03286.html

          • mtdawg posted at 11:45 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            mtdawg Posts: 293

            Whining by wolf lovers is annoying. Whining by wolf haters is equally annoying. The wolves are here to stay as are those who hunt, including those who hunt with dogs. If someone's dogs get eaten by a wolf, I'm fine with that too. It's all part of the game. If you don't want your dog to get eaten don't take it out there.

          • campo posted at 10:18 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            campo Posts: 136

            Mtwatch. Why do you live here? You obviously hate it here, hate the majority of people here. The only posts you make are ones where you are crying and whining about hunting or wildlife management. You obviously lose a lot of sleep over it, it can't be good for your health and well being for you to be here. NW MT has the highest numbers of hunters per capita than any place in the US. This is what we do in this state, we hunt. You aren't going to change it, no matter how much you cry about it. Every time you post, it makes me want to go shoot another predator just out of spite. Running lions with hounds here is LEGAL, get over it!

            You are completely out of touch with conservation and who "pays the bills" when it comes wildlife conservation. That is obscene, clueless people like you that just don't get it. We have what we have here because of hunters, their monies, and all the conservation groups that we all belong to. People like you are just mooches. You are leeches on the back of hunters that PAY YOUR WAY in conservation. People like you do NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, ZIPPO for all those big furry creatures you cry over every time you post.

            Hit the bricks if you don't like it here. Continuously decrying Montanans for hunting. That is pathetic. Just go away. There is a huge state on the Pacific Ocean that will gladly take you and your loathsome whining about how lousy Montanans are. I will buy you a map and outline a way for you to get there if you need one.

          • Mac Makuyi posted at 9:54 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            Mac Makuyi Posts: 1

            So, let's see. City of Libby has 2600 people, maybe a couple square miles. (I lived in a smaller town, until I moved to a more rural area)
            There are according to the article about 650 wolves in the whole state.
            Maybe 120 were killed this season.
            3 domestic dogs die.
            “ 'Initially, this has been one of my greatest fears,' Soucy said."
            I think what we have here in MT is exactly that: Greatest Fear. This is the human condition - I suggest "sporty" folk get used to your fear, and either grow up, or stay safe shivering at every squeak.

            -Unleash your dogs to kill, but whine when it happens to them. Creating the whiteman kills with dogs game, with rules that all else is subject to execution for pleasure, EXCEPT you & yours. What game is this?

          • Mtwatch posted at 9:44 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            Mtwatch Posts: 31

            This "SPORT" is sickening. You people are incredibly obscene and what YOU did to your dogs is beyond imagination. Now all the "wolf haters" will blame its natural instinct while you sit and tell everyone how awful you feel about your lost dogs...another "shame" for Montanans!!!

          • RealDeal posted at 9:32 am on Sat, Feb 16, 2013.

            RealDeal Posts: 73

            I usually wouldn't stick up for the wolves but, in the wilderness, it is survival of the fittest. The wolves aren't going anywhere, even if the hunting season for them is year round. Lots of whining in this article from hunters that use dogs to tree another animal then shoot it. If you want to do battle with the ever elusive big bad wolf, might I suggest getting better dogs for your hunt, something like the Caucasian Ovcharka Nagazi. The wolf would be no match for this animal.


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