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Posted: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 2:00 am

Some comments a Kalispell legislator made last week about the value of pregnant cattle in relation to a bill about pregnant women have caused a stir.

When speaking before the Senate Judiciary Committee about HB 167 (which would criminalize the death of an unborn child), Rep. Keith Regier, R-Kalispell, noted the value of a cow increases if the cow is pregnant.

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          • fredh posted at 9:00 pm on Tue, Apr 5, 2011.

            fredh Posts: 100

            At lease cows do not murder their babies , like some American women do. Thank you Planned Parenthood , abortion is murder, and so is putting your career over your children. One way the body dies , the other way the brain dies.

          • stunned posted at 8:23 am on Tue, Mar 22, 2011.

            stunned Posts: 181

            Rebel Rouser, I was just waiting for your anti-Christian rhetoric. Actually, if you knew more about history, you would know that one of the reasons Jesus was so hated was because of his equalizing of women to men. At a time in history when women were not allowed to speak to anyone but their husbands, Jesus came and blew the lid off of that practice. Not only did he speak to women, he gave them the same opportunity for salvation as men. Abhorant were his actions to the people of the day. Women were looked at as property. When the adulteress was brought to him and everyone wanted to stone her, what did Jesus do? He wrote something in the dirt in front of all the people. We aren't told what he wrote but it apparently shamed the men who wanted to stone her and they slowly began to drop their stones and disappear. He asked her where her accusers were but she couldn't find one. He said then He didn't accuse her either. "Go and sin no more". She was very grateful that He wiped her slate clean. Where was the man that she was committing adultery with? They didn't care, because it was only the woman who would be punished. This act caused a huge uproar and even then the Jews began to plot to kill Jesus for such a treacherous act. How about the Muslims. How do you think they're doing in how they treat their women? Never hear you complain about them. Your yuck is getting old and tiresome.

          • viking 1 posted at 1:45 am on Sun, Mar 20, 2011.

            viking 1 Posts: 12

            Unborn children are alive and are human beings abortion is murder.

          • JohnWeber posted at 7:27 pm on Thu, Mar 17, 2011.

            JohnWeber Posts: 1

            The weight of Representative Keith Regier’s argument lies in the fact that women and unborn children have an intrinsic value that far exceeds “cattle and half-built houses.” Rep. Regier is pointing out the outrageous narcissism that permeates our society and manifests itself by devaluing an unborn person. As a society, we recognize value in temporal things such as unfinished buildings or unborn cattle but do not recognize the value of lasting things such as the life of an unborn person. I believe the real issue that Crowley and Love have with Rep. Regier is that he is seeking to help Montana recognize and/or declare the value of an unborn person. His opponents can not have that, for their whole case depends on people believing that what a pregnant woman carries in her womb is a non-person with no value. Those who reject Rep. Regier’s point of view often revert to twisting the words and assassinating the character of their opponents. They employ this strategy because they cannot make their case from the foundation of truth, religiously and scientifically. Since Crowley and Love incorrectly say that Rep. Regier has a “lack of respect for Montana women and families,” let me say that I have witnessed firsthand his love and respect for Montana women. Anyone who knows of Rep. Regier as a husband, father and educator knows that Crowely and Love are employing character assassination to draw people’s attention from the real issue: unborn people have value. It is true that hundreds of Montana women have been offended—make that murdered—because their God-given value has been stripped away by a narcissistic society, and they have been equated to a mass of unwanted tissue to be aborted.

          • Sam Adams posted at 11:21 am on Thu, Mar 17, 2011.

            Sam Adams Posts: 81

            NEWS FLASH! Feminists are too stupid to understand metaphor.

          • april gaede posted at 12:18 am on Thu, Mar 17, 2011.

            april gaede Posts: 38

            Average Joe, Your worth as a bull would only be more than a steer if you were registered and had the right genetics. If you were just some average nondescript bull, you actually would bring less per pound than a steer.

          • april gaede posted at 12:16 am on Thu, Mar 17, 2011.

            april gaede Posts: 38

            Typical dumb city people getting upset about something they don't understand. The point that she was making is that if an unborn calf has a worth, then an unborn child does as well. And so a pregnant cow is actually two head of cattle, just like a pregnant woman is two people, the unborn child being a person as well.

            I recently had the chance to attend the first ultrasound for a friend of mine. She was only 8 weeks along. The baby responded to noises and jiggles of her stomach and waved her tiny hands and legs. This little baby was so alive and aware and it was obvious to anyone watching. As a person who was " pro choice" in my youth I have come to realize that life is precious and that unborn babies ( yes all unborn human babies) are precious and deserve to be given a chance at life. The inconvenience of less than a year for a woman is a small price to pay for giving a life.

            The babies that are being aborted in the Flathead Valley are some of those who would be the easiest to find adoptive parents for due to their ancestry. This is a fact, like it or not. There is no good excuse.

          • Rebel Rouser posted at 10:37 pm on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            After all, it is a "Liberal" concept that gives women the right to vote, and to be respected, participating members of our society. The Republicans (you know the ones YOU voted for) who are all about more jobs, fiscal conservancy, less government, etc., etc., when they are campaigning, and then while supposedly "legislating" they are taking away social issues rights, woman's rights, voters rights, access rights, etc., etc., and increasing the size and cost of government two boot!

            In fact, if those Right Wing Republicans you elected, are also God fearing Christians, their concern for women, is that women were put here for man, so they (women) do not have any say in the decision making process. Now that IS conservative, however, I don't believe we will return to the days where women loose their place in society (and/or their rights). But please in the future before you vote be sure to read what the individual you are voting stands for and if the are similar to how you think it should be.

          • Strider posted at 10:26 pm on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Strider Posts: 433

            One of the most logical studies is math. Is two greater than one? Is a cow with a calf more valuable than a cow without the calf? Is a cow with a calf IN HER more valuable than a cow without the calf? Is a woman with a baby more valued than a woman alone? Is a man carrying a baby more valuable than a man without a baby? Is it true these women are offended by the simple math of the equation or is it a political ploy to marginalize Regier?

          • russ25 posted at 1:52 pm on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            russ25 Posts: 195

            So far this GOP group of legislature representatives have managed to insult ,run over, introduce a**ine bills , overturn state and local voter initives, upset land owners , fishermen ,and just about every other Montanan they could possibly pi** off ,why would women think they would be treated any differently ?Do what they do come next election , to hel* with what the people want ,we know whats best for them , those ignorant common people need us to tell them how to live ,so when you vote , follow their lead and vote straight party line democrat . Thats the way the GOP thinks now days .I can not wait to vote this bunch of morons out of office .

          • averagejoe posted at 11:39 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            averagejoe Posts: 253

            Using Regiers logic, a breeding bull has much more value than a steer. Since many men, me included, have had vasectomies this makes us of less value also. And since vasectomies prevent procreation should they not be made illegal also, as there end result is no fetus is created thus devaluing the worth of a woman.

          • Partyer posted at 10:35 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            Thanks for the hilarious reminder that that some people would bi+ch if ya hung 'em with a new rope.

          • flatheadmom posted at 10:32 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            flatheadmom Posts: 40

            Regardless of one’s opinion of the merits of the bill, this article has less to do with unborn children as it does with making ridiculous statements. This is what Great Falls Tribune reporter John S. Adams quotes Regier as saying:

            “Ranchers refer to cows as either preg-tested or open,” Regier told the House Judiciary Committee in January. “A preg-tested cow is a cow that has been tested by a veterinarian and confirmed to be pregnant. Open cows are not pregnant. Preg-tested cows bring a higher value than open cows. Why? Because the calf the cow is carrying has a value even though it isn’t complete yet.

            “If unfinished buildings and unborn calves have value in Montana, shouldn’t unborn children have a value? Your support of HB167 will show support to all pregnant women in Montana.”

            By this reasoning, a woman who is not pregnant has less value than a woman who is pregnant. Any woman should find this reasoning offensive, and hopefully Regier has learned from his thoughtlessness.

          • redhawk posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            redhawk Posts: 150

            The mind boggles... It's obvious that in order to be a Montana legislator you do have to accept the lobotomy. So you can join the herd of male posters.... *face palm*

          • rootiblue posted at 9:04 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            rootiblue Posts: 6

            Following our esteemed (?) legislator's logic in citing cattle industry values in this argument, the factual conclusion is that the largest percentage of male cattle are castrated to increase their value, then they are shipped off to feed lots, slaughtered and eaten - let's start with the legislators!

          • james posted at 8:58 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            james Posts: 516

            what rock do these morons crawl out from under? time to get rid of the rock!

          • Dolphin posted at 8:05 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Dolphin Posts: 123

            I think the comment brought by Regier is interesting. So in other words, our society values a pregnant cow more valuable than a non-pregnant cow? But we don't value an unborn child whatsoever?!! Do not apologize for that one Regier, you made a very valid point!!! Very sad :(

          • Pequot posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Pequot Posts: 525

            It appears to be acceptable to kill an unborn child if it is unwanted, but a crime to harm a woman who is pregnant and the harm leads to the death of an unborn child. If a clever attorney were to elicit testimony that the woman intended to abort the unborn child yet the harm to her led to the death of the unborn child, would a person charged under this law be acquitted ?

            This law, and the brouhaha created , are nothing more than two examples of political correctness being exercised at two extremes of the spectrum.

            Get to work on serious and important issues. We have enough laws on the books to protect women as human beings. Society, unfortunately, has already abandoned the life of a fetus.

          • Charlie46 posted at 2:58 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            Charlie46 Posts: 58

            Odd that the bill passed in January, and the only coverage has been on the apparent outrage of two women who advocate killing the unborn nearly 8 weeks later. Must be a slow news day to run such a puff piece.

          • rdhinbfge posted at 2:28 am on Wed, Mar 16, 2011.

            rdhinbfge Posts: 20

            Ipersonaly appalaud him for taking up this fight and think that he used comparisons consistant with MT and by the way they got the results that they were intended to get !!!


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