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Posted: Sunday, May 23, 2010 12:51 pm

A 100-mile run on the Swan Crest planned in late July has run into opposition from an environmental activist who says the U.S. Forest Service has failed to properly consider the impacts of the event.

“The overall thrust of my complaint is that the cart is way ahead of the horse,” said Keith Hammer, chairman of the Swan View Coalition, a group with a lengthy history of litigation against the Flathead National Forest.

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          • ctucker posted at 8:37 pm on Thu, Jun 3, 2010.

            ctucker Posts: 18

            I wonder what Hammer is going to do now. Since he was asking the race to be relocated to the Blacktail area to avoid displacing Grizzlies they have captured on in that area. But wait, humans displace them, even tho this same bear and sibling and mother were captured in the same area last year and relocated to the south fork, it seemed to walk 33 miles thru human infested populated areas to get to where he wanted to go. Hmm, weird on how the assumption of humans displace them isnt even close to the fact here. Seems to me being on top of the food chain they do what they want when they want. Another perfect example back in the 90's is when the grain cars derailed near marias and they had a fire camp located near by with hundereds of workers. Bears were everywhere even with the propane cannons going off 24-7 and being monitored all around camp. Matter of fact the crews couldnt even have any sorts of food anywhere close or the entire crew would be shipped home. But again humans displace them. Get real! No one argues the homes for these animals need to be protected from being dismantled but seriously. what is he going to do next? throw lawsuits at the blacktail region under the pretenses that its grizzly bear habitat also? Probably now. what is really weird to me is that Hammer and the forest service kind of hold hands. They give Hammer all the mountians to the east and do what he wants and Hammer doesnt mess with the forest service on the west side of town. Will that change now? All the motorized recreation areas they are constructing up wild bill on the wild bill OHV trail? All of the use of heavy machinery and obsticle making for the off road clubs up there and nobody has a lawsuit? Matter of fact anyone that makes a motorcycle(single track), ATV, or jeep club can make new trails anywhere in the "Island Complex" as they call it. Just need to draw out the trails they want to cut in, take it down to Andrew Johnson with the F.S. in Bigfork, get approval from him, get the machinery together with the grants the F.S. is giving out and go cut trees and make obsticles. Now my point is not that they shouldnt be able to do it, because they need more areas for those groups, but rather that why doesn't any of these environmental groups raise hell over that? Heavy machinery making motorized use areas where bears are known to be...... make your own call or ideals on that one! But you cant have a maybe 50 person contest. I got an idea, dont advertise it as a 100 mile race, advertise it as a 100 mile walk!! What can he do then? Say you cant walk in the woods. If ya chose to run that is the individuals choice but the race is a walk. lol. And yes I am a avid motorized trail rider supporting the race because its right, even tho my anger of never feeling the support for my/others sport says to do otherwise. We do clean and maintain trail as much or more that the "hikers" on these same trails. I have never seen a hiker carying a saw to move the tree that fell across the trail, not to say there isnt any. What I see is a new "walking" trail around it instead. If anyone argues the motorized users clearing trail head up any motorized trail in the south fork and find us in the next few months when the weather clears and the snow melts off! Matter of fact talk to the camp ground supervisor at Johnie camp ground and find out whats been done. Go on with the race, screw Hammer, and the support will be there from sides you never thought!

          • IceAge posted at 3:00 pm on Tue, Jun 1, 2010.

            IceAge Posts: 1

            What's the difference between an organized "running" event like this one and an organized wilderness hike? About 1-2 miles per hour.

            Does humankind even possess a device capable of measuring such infinitesmal variations in environmental impact?

          • naturalresources posted at 8:29 am on Tue, Jun 1, 2010.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            "This man is wasting tax payer money by unnecessarily raising a stink over nothing"

            Nothing new here, he has been for years......very few people paid him any attention
            Now we all have to pay the conseqences for a few who caused the mess. I don't believe the will is there to turn the clock back on this one.
            When the camel gets it's nose under the tent.......it'salready too late.

          • campo posted at 7:19 pm on Mon, May 31, 2010.

            campo Posts: 136

            I think if this moron gets this race stopped this year. I think we should get 200 people to go and march up and explore Alpine 7 on foot, or dirt bikes or whatever method you choose. We can do an "unofficial" walk/run on any or all parts of the race course. Just like this idiot does with his groups every week.

            I think he is kicking a hornets nest with this crap. He is going to litigate his own rear end out of the woods, when the FS says, fine, nobody goes in the woods for any reason without signing in first. You have to say where you are going, how long you plan to be, what your purpose is, and you have to pay for/by the day.

          • Grizzly runner posted at 12:31 pm on Mon, May 31, 2010.

            Grizzly runner Posts: 2

            Keith Hammer is a HUGE hypocrite. Obviously the man has never been in an ultra race, if he had, he'd see how incredibly peaceful they are. Often talking is quiet chatter or there is no talking at all and foot steps are awfully quiet.

            This man must have an incredibly pathetic life to create such chaos over something so little and low impact to the bears.

            This man is wasting tax payer money by unnecessarily raising a stink over nothing.

          • naturalresources posted at 11:20 pm on Fri, May 28, 2010.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            I wonder if Kieth has been infected with the NIMBY Flu that the Kennedy's' on Marthas Vineyard came down with when their ocean view property was threatened with windmills? Nah......... he just wants to close everything off for his own personal agenda. around 12 years ago, I spoke with him also and recieved a deluge of profanity that surprised me considering he's so in touch with his environment. I was not impressed then or now. I asked him why he thought it was necessary to devastate the trail that led to Peters Ridge and he became very abusive and demanded to know who I was and where Iwas from. I'm still not impressed.

          • HighTechCowboy posted at 7:40 pm on Fri, May 28, 2010.

            HighTechCowboy Posts: 9902

            flyfish: Fourth, if this run does happen to disturb a bear or mountain lion it won't have any lasting effect. They will just run down into the brush a couple hundred yards, hunker down for a few hours then go on as if nothing happened.

            I'm not sure that the "damage' would even extend that far.

            Not long ago, we built a home in the mountains above this valley and we had a black bear sow with two cubs and two griz, one of them a silver tip, that would sun in the newly dozed road to the construction site and just watch the workers as they built our shop and home.

            Seems the bears forgot to read the 'environmentalist' literature about how much this kind of activity upsets and traumatizes them.

          • faithful reader posted at 12:12 pm on Fri, May 28, 2010.

            faithful reader Posts: 412

            I agree with those who say Keith Hammer has gone too far. It does seem that he wants to litigate this part of public lands into his sole control. Photoguy put it perfectly - Hammer has gone from advocate to antagonizer. He's done some good, but he's so far out there now that he thinks 50 people running through the woods will upset the ecological and mental well-being of bears? Come on, Mr. Hammer, that's about as primitive as it gets. You need to return to your foundation of "nature." You are not the sole proprietor of our public lands and they are not solely for your personal use.

          • Montana-mtn-man posted at 8:30 am on Fri, May 28, 2010.

            Montana-mtn-man Posts: 34

            I think those of you who are so upset with this hammer dude should start following him and his pansies into the woods on the same day he goes hiking. Maybe if you would stop talking and start acting maybe you might get him to quit. Maybe some smart attorney could find a way for you to sue him. Lets start to picket everything he does.

          • naturalresources posted at 10:03 pm on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            The trail to Peter's Ridge was never an official FS trail although it has been used for many years. Part of it was an old logging road that is no longer used by vehicles. Snowmobilers liked to go up there in the winter for the valley views. Even though snowmobiles traveling on top of 1 to 6 feet of snow do no damage to the environment, local environmental radicals from the Swan View Coalition wanted it shut down, ostensibly because a couple motorbikes had used it in summer. They sued and Judge Malloy gave them permission to close the trail. Under FS supervision environmentalist machinery dug and sawed it's way up the trail. Closing it to ATVs, horsemen and even making it very difficult for hikers.

          • Rebel Rouser posted at 7:35 pm on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            Rebel Rouser Posts: 1565

            Ok, OKAY! Let the runners run, let the joggers jog, the bears are hungry, just coming out of hibernation. They NEED the protein and carbs for survival. If a runner/jogger gets eaten, next year the race will be held at Lawrence Park, Ha, ha, ha.

          • ctucker posted at 6:55 pm on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            ctucker Posts: 18

            Today I was present during a phone call with keith hammer and another individual. Obviously it was on speaker phone and I overheard. Keith Hammer said he wants the run relocated to another area, in specific he said the foys to blacktail trail. In the same conversation with motorized use he stated that the foys lake blacktail area is a good area to ride a motorcycle that doesnt have an impact on the grizzly bears. Does anyone else see the picture? So I understand there is a need for seperating noise use and quiet use in "our" public lands but it seems he is funneling everyone into the same area of the woods which coincides with the quiet and noise areas being seperated. Also questioned on his groups walks, keep in mind he stated this, he goes on these nature walks once a week every week with a group of 10 - 20 people. But when asked how that is different than a group of fifty people walking/running he stated there is a big difference. each of those fifty people are counted as seperate, thus 50 groups, and are there for a completely different reason than their group is. And may I ask who put this man on a pedestal to talk down to anyone? Also he made sure to state that in the forest plans there is a limit on the amount of groups allowed to enter the woods in a given weeks period in any given network of trail that is to protect the core grizzly habitat.. He says this high intensity non motorized use is what affects the habitat. So as I am sure as any hiker, motocyclist, or camper knows there is far more than 20 parties, keep in mind a party can cosist of one or multiple individuals, in the same area of the woods in any given day! So you do the math! If he gets away with this then the door is open to shut off the woods to all. Not just the motorized users anymore! No more camping sown the southfork and hiking, no more camping down the swan and hiking. its going to create a log or registry in the future for anyone to go for a walk or go to a high alpine lake and camp in the future. Its sad that the world has come to this and I urge everyone of all walks of life be hiking, nature enthusiests, motorized users, ect to put a stop to this. Google the swan coalitions website and look up the number and call this man out on the subject. I have always heard of how horrible the forest service mismanages our lands from everyone but has anyone ever though that this man and his group and other like them are the strings controlling the puppet?

          • epicbeat posted at 6:41 pm on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            epicbeat Posts: 8

            Keith Hammer has 2 dirt bikes, yet claims to not be a hypocrite...

            Keith Hammer leads a group of 20 people into the woods once a WEEK.

            During a phone conversation with him earlier today, I asked him what the difference between his group (which he told me was 20 people on a weekly trip) and a group jogging through the woods of 50 people (a one-time event) was. After a giant shpeel about what his interpretation of the HUGE differences were... I asked him if he was friends with John Stokes.. this offended him.. I told him that he could not play God and could not be the Hitler of the woods.. And that his hypocrisy was only going to lose him support from the people he claims to be trying to help..

            Needless to say, he got angry, used plenty of profanities, and hung up on me..

            I also took some time to read some of the newsletters on his web site. Although he does have SOME valid points about wildlife habitat... He has gone to an extreme that is neither acceptable or tolerable. He thinks he owns the forest. He thinks that "Public Land" is meant for himself and anyone who sends him 25 bucks for a membership to his ridiculous organization.

            Montana is a great place to live. The forests are for us ALL to enjoy... People like this need to be stopped. If they are not, we will not be able to enjoy this place we call home.. Keith Hammer may have done some good things in the 25 years his "organization" has been around, but has become a greedy, immoral, hypocritical extremist. Anyone who gives him their full support should definitely take a good, long look in the mirror and question their own morals.

          • nwmontana posted at 1:08 pm on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            nwmontana Posts: 8

            Here is what I sent to Keith Hammer. Following is his response.

            Q..How is the Swan Crest Run any different then the organized Wilderness Walks that the Montana Wilderness Association puts on.

            Last year I was coming down from a week stay on the same trail that the Wilderness association was having one of there walks on and there were upwards of 30 people on the walk.

            You people are the biggest hypocrites there are. Never happy with anything and always want more. These people are using the trail for exactly what you guys wanted it for "Peace and Quiet" they are not making noise or is it that you are all jealous that you can not make the 100 mile run yourselves or I am sure that one of your members may have a certain attachment to this trail that they think they should have it all to themselves.

            If this is stopped then I will give you a big thanks to opening up the doors to stopping all the organized MWA wilderness walks.

          • epicbeat posted at 9:52 am on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            epicbeat Posts: 8

            Oh lookie! It's a Tree-hugger version of John Stokes! PUBLIC lands are PUBLIC! They are not for hypocrites like this Keith Hammer guy to rule over! (I have called the Swan View Coalition multiple times to discuss this, and have not received a phone call back)...

            I wonder if these guys could come up with some sort of device that would shelter bears from the wind.... since the noise of trees rubbing together could cause problems to their health just as easily as a few runners in the woods could..

            Here is a quote from this guy's web site:

            "We recognize that whatever threatens fish and wildlife also threatens people, and that what is good for one is good for the other. To combat the increasing threats to public health posed by obesity and stress, we work to conserve opportunities for people to participate in quiet exercise and recreation."

            Well, last time I checked, jogging was a pretty quiet form of exercise.. And as far as i can tell, this hypocrite is going AGAINST the EXACT THING that he is "working toward"...

            I think this hippie just likes his name in the paper.. I bet he has a little Hitler moustache and runs around eating ice cream in a pink tutu with his special helmet on.

          • montanaraised posted at 6:38 am on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            montanaraised Posts: 105

            im really glad to see these trail runners see what its like to get told to stay out of the forest, where were they when motorized use was shut down? remember, eventually, no one will be there to get your back. im so glad we "progressed" ourselves right out of the forest...well done libs!

            Debbietant....Maybe you should move back to the soviet union where you can enjoy all your communist ideals and leave us freedom thinking, loving, americans alone.

          • mooseberryinn posted at 5:44 am on Thu, May 27, 2010.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2693

            Somehow I just don't think the bears will be overly traumatized by a bunch of folks jogging through "their territory". Now, if they do, I'd be betting on the bears taking care of the runners. I really don't believe we need all this flapping and clucking.

          • dirtypete posted at 10:46 pm on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            dirtypete Posts: 1

            Two of Mr. Hammer's quotes in particular prove how off base his assertions are. First, implying that trail running in roadless areas is not "safe and ethical behavior" is an entirely personal opinion. What exactly is the speed limit and maximum group size for foot powered recreation in the swan? Second, the statement that “People should be very aware of where they are, and they should appreciate where they are rather than trying to go 100 miles as fast as they can” shows a total lack of understanding of what the ultramarathon experience is all about. I've never run 100 miles but I've done some pretty out there trail runs and my experiences have been of a heightened awareness of my surroundings, not the tunnel vision sprint that Keith is so worked up over. And the bear issue? Give us a break, competitors will be spread out over 20 miles at any given time. Please Keith, find something more useful to do with your time than take non-profit event organizers to court.

          • lone walker posted at 4:14 pm on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            lone walker Posts: 88

            What makes this even more ridiculous is in checking the Swan Crest route against the national forest travel map, roughly half the route is on trails open to motorcycles. Also, the organizers avoided the Jewel Basin altogether by dropping the route down to the valley floor, thereby avoiding a more controversial section of the forest.

            As far as I’m concerned, this is exactly the kind of event the Flathead should be promoting to draw attention to our recreational opportunities. Not only would I have no problem in relocating the route to Alpine Trail #7 through the Jewel Basin, I would be thrilled if there were 500 participants, rather than the 100 they are expecting.

            I am a long time supporter of conservation and environmental organizations. I cannot condone the obstructionist attitude of Keith Hammer. And those who continue to support him have no credibility with me.

          • kalimo posted at 12:46 pm on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            kalimo Posts: 4

            If you actually do your research on the Swan Crest 100 and the Swan View Coalition, you would be surprised at how uneducated Mr Hammer is. It actually isn't a race at all and the participants don't really even run. The average speed is 3 mph. Hello. This equates out to 20:00 minute miles. Now, I have pretty short legs and even I can walk 15:00 minute miles. The Swan Crest 100 is nothing more than a glorified hike on Alpine Trail #7. This trail is open to the public, I've even walked on it. Now for some city slickers, this might be hard to imagine......but some people actually like to get off their couch and enjoy Montana's Big Sky Country. Mr Hammer did more damage to the forest by altering Krause Basin than these walkers could ever do on this hike. As quoted on the Coalition's web site about work they did near Strawberry Lake "Numerous individuals and businesses donated or discounted labor, artwork, welding, gravel, dump trucks, heavy equipment, and other services to the project" Ummmm hello again.........artwork, welding, dump trucks, HEAVY EQUIPMENT........blah blah blah. Something tells me a pair (or even 50) of sneakers won't even come close to the damage done by his heavy equipment, brought in gravel, and dump trucks! Mr Hammer needs to get a real job like the rest of us.

          • DARC posted at 11:36 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            DARC Posts: 5

            Who or what is "Sticky Mouth?"

          • debbietant posted at 9:29 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            debbietant Posts: 42

            There is no reason that people should even be allowed in these areas. KIETH HAMMER IS RIGHT.

          • photoguy posted at 8:31 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            photoguy Posts: 940

            What is so sad, is all to often, people who think they have a vision on how to improve the world, become obsessed on things and grow tunnel vision, they forget the resources they are trying to save are public and when it comes to USFS lands, designated multiple use.

            I have known many people over the years that did have good ideas starting out, only to become hated as they go along, because they put the blinders on and say the heck with everybody else, I am the only one that knows whats best.

            I have met Hammer a few times over the years, and he has gone from advocate to antagonizer. He needs to step back and re-evaluate what he is doing and re-approach with a strategy that will benefit everybody, with out alienating those who use the forest responsibly. He has to remember this is a public resource paid for by all of us, not just for the few of us, that think we have a better idea. It sounds like the event organizers are responsible and their motives are good. Let the event happen and lets focus our efforts on problems..

          • Yudam-ni posted at 8:29 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            Yudam-ni Posts: 5

            Keith is right on! I usually do not agree with the green side but on this one he is right. It is a run! Why does it have to be in the middle of StIcky Mouth's home? Are their not a lot of other places to run. If they want they can run 500 times around my place.

          • tonoffun posted at 7:56 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            tonoffun Posts: 1

            although i do not necessarily join the pure hatrid that seems to exist for keith hammer, i have to admit, he gets more out onto the fringe every year. i met keith nearly 20 years ago, and it seemed then that perhaps he had some good ideas and rapport with the overall environmental community. now, he only seems to have the support of those who want to remove all people but the elite from the public lands. never have i seen someone so completely reviled as he has in these comments to this article and race. what gives, keith? this is a small event that will donate proceeds to as good an organization as there is, that will then put that money back on the ground, to help maintain trails. how good can it get? certainly there must be some other viable and worthy cause for you to spend your considerable attention span to. you know, every once in a while, it might do you good, keith, to embrace a project, event or idea, even when it does not come from your own inflated head.

            hopefully all you folks who are commenting, can continue with your support when the comment period time comes with the usfs. and good job, mr. lamson, for not getting into a name calling, back stabbing, worthless counterattack.

          • Dexter posted at 6:05 am on Tue, May 25, 2010.

            Dexter Posts: 1

            Cliff Merritt’s walk in the Jewel basin.
            “In early summer of 1962 I led a Wilderness Walk sponsored by the Montana Wilderness Association in Jewel Basin. The turnout for the trip was astounding.
            Fifty men, women and children came for the Walk! “
            HMMM... “sponsored, 50 men, …,” shame on Cliff for exploiting the spoils of the Jewel Basin. Excerpt from the Swan View Coalition newsletter, 2008.

            What worries me the most is that if you are unable to walk, hike, jog or run in the Swan Range, what kind of precedent does that set for other users? Also in effect, Keith is stating his opinions and ethics that others should abide by… that’s a downhill slide no matter which side of the Swan Crest you are on. If you want to be well informed of what the Swan Crest is about have a look at the website at “http://swancrest100.com/”. If you support the SC100, please email the event organizers and also send in your comments to the USFS when the public scoping process comes about.

          • ctucker posted at 8:02 pm on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            ctucker Posts: 18

            I thinks its great all of the outdoor folks no matter what use of the lands are agreeing for once!! Ever since the issues up on Big Mountian everyone started to come together. CONGRATS! It simply sucks that it takes one of the people filing all of these crazy lawsuits against something like this to do it. I am not going to deny the fact that I am a motorized use believer, respecting others areas to individuals non-noise enjoyment, and appreciating the land, but its about time other groups deal with this B.S. For years and years and its still happening a lot of areas the motorized use areas have been getting smaller, smaller, and smaller. The areas must have been minimised so much there isnt anything left worth messing with so now they target this. Im sorry its a crappy situation for either side fighting for the right thing or fairness. But all that I can say is good luck and I support your cause. I figure the Grizzly can put so much restrictions on anything else i would imagine that pitter patter of feet counts as noise to these bafoons too and thus in their head displaces the bear. If they could have their way they would make it so the entire forst is only visible from the road only down the swan. At the rate they are closing everything that should be approx 2092? Good luck. :-)

          • flyfish posted at 6:50 pm on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            flyfish Posts: 203

            Just a few points to make here.
            First, most of us who consider ourselves to be conservationists think that Kieth Hammer is a complete wingnut. On both sides of an issue their are always the extreme radicals.
            Second, Hammer and his group have been out of the news lately, with the downturn of logging due to the recession he hasn't had anything to sue over. This just keeps him in the public eye. He needs the attention.
            Third, when a person runs for public office, certain groups and individuals will donate to their campaign that will be detrimental to them. Steve Quenell did not want the support of Hammer and his group. Usually its someone in the opposing campaign that exposes the donation. It would take an incredible amount of time and energy to do backgroung checks on everyone that donates to a canidate. A case in point would be trying to identify everyone that belongs to American Dream, since they don't have a membership list how would you know if an ADM supporter donated to your campaign?
            Fourth, if this run does happen to disturb a bear or mountain lion it won't have any lasting effect. They will just run down into the brush a couple hundred yards, hunker down for a few hours then go on as if nothing happened.

          • VaMtnRnr posted at 11:55 am on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            VaMtnRnr Posts: 1

            I echo poison ivy guy. Not all of left leaners are environmental wackos, like this Hammer dude. Some of us run trails and even drink beer and bourbon.

            There's enough space for lots of different groups to enjoy the wilderness. The National Forest are supposed to be the "land of many uses", including many forms of recreation and responsible forestry.

            Most trail runners I know follow the ethic of leaving nothing but footprints behind.

          • DaProfessor posted at 11:45 am on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            DaProfessor Posts: 169

            Keith Hammer and all his tree-hugging fairy friends should be run out of town on a rail. They are completely out of touch with reality. The man is obviously severely mentally disturbed, he should be sent to Warm Springs for an intense psychiatric evaluation. This event has about as much chance to 'displace grizzlies' as I would be to displace Orcas in the Puget Sound by washing my dishes in my own home. Mark my words, Keith Hammer is likely just doing this for attention and an influx of donations to his pet projects (and sources of personal income), the 'Swan View Coalition' and the 'Swan Rangers'.

          • naturalresources posted at 10:02 am on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            naturalresources Posts: 511

            He and his merry band of followers did a great job of decimating the Peters Ridge trail a while back. They have no shame when it comes to kicking the general popualtion out of the Kings' forests.
            When and if there is accountability for environmental groups filing lawsuits at will, the other people who enjoy camping, hunting, fishing, running, horse riding, jumping, snow mobiling, dirt biking, climbing, looking or whatever.......might have some recourse. Until then, they will simply file away and continue getting positive results from their friend.....judge Molloy.

          • RussCrowder posted at 7:53 am on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            RussCrowder Posts: 414

            Hammer is a good example of what happens to "trust fund baby's" that have never had to work a day in their life. They get real wierd ideas about how the world should work, and how they are going to change it. Unfortunately, besides being able to dip into the family's free money all his life, Hammer has also been able to tap into that free "Tax Exempt" (taxpayer funded) non-profit cash cow called the radical environmental movement. Until the money and free lawyers dry up, expect more of the same from Hammer and the other green extreemists destroying our jobs, natural resourses and individual liberty's.

          • PoisonIvyGuy posted at 7:37 am on Mon, May 24, 2010.

            PoisonIvyGuy Posts: 1

            "This guy needs to fenced in in Massachusetts with all of the other left wing wacko's."

            Flathead Guy - Not everyone from Massachusetts is a left wing wacko. In fact, it's a very small minority of the population. I'm from Massachusetts, I'm a trail runner, and I think this guy is complete jackass.

          • My2cents posted at 10:39 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            My2cents Posts: 43

            This guy needs to get a freakin' life!! I can't even come up with words to describe my opinion of how STUPID this is. It's not the New York Marathon for Pete's Sake! There are more people hiking in Glacier Park in one day than this event has. I guess the only explanation for this sort of idiocracy is he has an obsessive compulsive disorder...and just has to file ridiculous claims and keep Judge Molloy employed.

          • FlatheadGuy posted at 6:40 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            FlatheadGuy Posts: 16

            This guy needs to fenced in in Massachusetts with all of the other left wing wacko's. He needs to get a life and realize that his frequent usage of the Swan's trail system have a much higher usage that a one time a year event with runners.

            the bears will take care of themselves...they always have and they always will. The last thing they need is a wacko championing their survival..they are going just fine.

          • Tumbleweed posted at 6:07 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            Tumbleweed Posts: 11

            Since when does the Forest Service bow to the wishes of a radical group trying to block public land use on public land???

            Tie Mr. Hammer along the trail to allow Griz something to play with. This way the runners will not distrurb the Griz since they will be otherwise occupied.

            Typically, after one spys a Griz they run to avoid and distance themselves. Ergo walking then running.

          • cuzican posted at 5:18 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            cuzican Posts: 231

            The REALLY REALLY sad part in all this crap is that people actually take this jack*ss seriously.
            People like Hammer should be laughed out of the state without even a second thought.

          • libra42 posted at 4:15 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            libra42 Posts: 461

            This would be comical, if it wasn't so common. Mr. Hammer is not the only "deep thinker" out there. He may rank near the top, but there are many contenders seeking even greater absurdity.

            A common thread running through these mental giants is that they fancy themselves as an elite, who are smarter, more sensitive, more caring and all around better people than you or, for that matter, those thoughtless runners.

          • disgusted posted at 4:12 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            disgusted Posts: 51

            I have a great idea...Let's displace all those left wing nut environmental activists to another country...Say China or Iran...

          • tazmanian posted at 2:59 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            tazmanian Posts: 179

            Hammer was one of the kooks and Steve Quenell's doner list when he ran for Co. Commissioner against Jim Dupont. It just shows how out of the main stream and radical some the people running for office are now days. I am sure Hammer will support Joe Brenneman as well.

          • localgirl posted at 2:09 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            localgirl Posts: 3

            Mr. Hammer needs to get a life. Seriously, is he just bored right now?? No other axe's to grind. This is just silly.

          • lone walker posted at 1:42 pm on Sun, May 23, 2010.

            lone walker Posts: 88

            A local business sponsors an event with absolutely no impact on the environment. Proceeds of the event go to a conservation organization whose goal is to inspire young people to become involved in land conservation projects. The event is held once a year, benefits our local communities, and draws regional attention to our beautiful area.

            Conversely, the Swan View Coalition has weekly outings in the same areas this event is being held, and encourages massive participation in their hikes. The more the merrier. What the h… are you thinking, Keith?


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