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Posted: Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:00 pm

An online video of two local snowboarders chasing a moose down a slope at Whitefish Mountain Resort has gone viral and caused wildlife officials to investigate possible wildlife harassment charges.

The video posted on Facebook Dec. 19 by Whitefish High School sophomore Hunter Lamoureux shows snowboarder Charlie Rush following a moose down a run on Big Mountain.

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          42 comments:

          • DJJackson posted at 9:12 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            I guess the moral of this story is, people need to pull their heads out of certain parts of the anatomy and stop being so willing to post every aspect of their life online so the world can see it. If they don't, those that "think" they know better are always going to demand something be done to those "Criminals"

             
          • DJJackson posted at 9:03 am on Wed, Jan 8, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            JA,

            As was stated in another article, one of these "Kids" is 21 years old and has been considered an adult for 3 years now and the other will soon be what is considered by society as and adult, so they don't need "Adult" supervision, they do have to accept responsibility for their actions.

            That said, my only issue with this situation is, if these kids did not post a video of this incident, then so many busy bodies would not be involved, I have skied for over 25 years now and have had wildlife run out on the trail in front of me, and some here seem to think if you don't stop that constitutes "harassment" Which is not true, just yesterday, I was up in the North Fork photographing and watched a US Forest Service Ranger, herd deer down the road because they ran out in front of him while he was driving down the road. Should he be fined?

            Simply put, the US Forest Service fined these guys because the public pushed for it and from behind their keyboards feigned outrage, but I can be 99% of them don't automatically stop their cars when wildlife runs out in front of them, I have seen it way to many times here in the area that people are chasing wildlife with cars and we don't hear about it at all.

            After what I witnessed yesterday with the US Forest Service Ranger herding deer with his car, the agency is a hypocritical agency.

            I will not identify the vehicle number on here, but you can bet I will be talking to the office and report the incident so the appropriate fine can be levied against the Forest Ranger.

             
          • JA posted at 11:56 pm on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

            JA Posts: 146

            A $250 fee and getting your ticket clipped for a whole day... what a joke! If a dog gets caught chasing a deer, it at least gets thrown in the pound... if not shot! Kids should be held accountable to at least the standards of a dog. If these kids can't control the impulse to chase wild animals then their parents need to keep them on a leash. That's the problem with kids up at the ski resort, the parents send them up on the snow bus with no supervision and expect the ski patrol to babysit them all day and they run completely amok.

             
          • MfgMan posted at 9:18 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            I'm with you kalispelldude...a moose having to run for a few minutes isn't going to put any stress in this animal. I highly doubt the moose was all that concerned...it was running because it wasn't in the mood to stomp them.

             
          • kalispelldude posted at 7:50 am on Tue, Jan 7, 2014.

            kalispelldude Posts: 220

            Those defending the moose...as if it was defenseless. It was annoyed and running, which comes naturally to the moose. No big deal. Get over yourselves and move back to the big city and go hug the animals in the zoo. If they were chasing it down with a vehicle, that would be a different story. It was not a traumatic experience for the moose. Besides if the boys would have stopped sooner, they would have been stranded and the moose could have charged. But I guess it's people must die first with you defenders of wildlife quacks.

            And since we are throwing logic and common sense out the window, let's interview the moose and get his thoughts and feelings on the incident...how did it make you feel, Ms. Moose, when those brutal neanderthals were attempting to murder you by chasing you down the mountain? Did you feel betrayed? Harassed? Molested?

            Heck, I think these boys should have to register as sex offenders. What a horrible tragedy. (sarcasm, of course)

             
          • earthlingdos posted at 9:37 pm on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            earthlingdos Posts: 2

            And to FWP---seriously? You won't deal with this because your statutes don't cover snowboarding, yet you go on to talk about how wildlife is already stressed during the winter and is struggling. Come on, if this type of harassment doesn't put stress on an animal, what does?? If your statutes don't cover snowboarding, maybe you should address and resolve the issue so that your statutes encompass snowboarding, since encounters with wildlife are bound to happen during winter recreation.

             
          • earthlingdos posted at 9:27 pm on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            earthlingdos Posts: 2

            Neither of these kids demonstrate any respect for the moose. They could have easily just stayed put and waited for the moose to get out of the way or leave the run etc, rather than choosing to CHASE the moose. Eventually the moose would have moved. Anyone that has ever studied moose behavior knows that a moose wouldn't run like that if it wasn't afraid or feeling threatened. This is a case of kids harassing wildlife and being idiots, plain and simple. They are very lucky that they didn't get hurt. While they may generally be nice boys, in this situation they made a very poor decision.

             
          • Montana Native 420 posted at 9:14 pm on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            Montana Native 420 Posts: 209

            Who cares. The moose is capable of defending itself. Two 140lb teenagers Arn't going to hurt a 800lb moose.

             
          • DJJackson posted at 2:17 pm on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            ValleyGal,

            As I said, based on your short description, the boys on the sleds where harassing wildlife.

             
          • JA posted at 1:11 pm on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            JA Posts: 146

            These kids may not have a mean bone in their body but it’s also obvious they don’t have a brain in their head. I've witnessed plenty of moronic behavior by teenage boys in Whitefish but to make three BIG mistakes in one event makes you wonder if they should be going to the school that uses the short bus. A lot young kids look up to these idiots and someone needs to make it clear that harassing wildlife, whether it be on a snowboard, in a car on on a snowmobile is not cool, because right now they'are kind of being taught that it is. Lucky they weren't badly injured, the next kid to emulate them probably won't be so lucky.

             
          • ValleyGal posted at 10:09 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            ValleyGal Posts: 41

            DJ....I would say there was intent since I could hear them say "hurry and get this *%#?>€ unstuck ...they are getting away". But regardless it's disheartening to see and hear such disrespect of wildlife.

             
          • MfgMan posted at 9:59 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            I meant to say, having most definitely "been harassed"...

             
          • MfgMan posted at 9:58 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            MfgMan Posts: 345

            Having most definitely "harassed" myself by a young bull moose, when I first saw this article, the thought that crossed thru my mind was that it would be impossible to harass a full grown moose without a vehicle of some kind to protect you. It would be like harassing a grizzly bear...how does one actually do that?

            Chalk this one up as no big deal and let it drop.

             
          • DJJackson posted at 9:49 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            ValleyGal,

            Based on your very short description, that would be harassment, the willful act of chasing wildlife with a snowcat is quite obvious. In determining if a violation has occurred, Intent is a very big part of it.

             
          • ValleyGal posted at 9:27 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            ValleyGal Posts: 41

            Saturday evening I witnessed some kids on 2 snowcats chasing 3 deer in the field across from my house. They were hootin and hollering and having a good time. The deer made it to the clump of trees but than these precious children were circling and revving their engines. Does that qualify as harassment or kids just having fun?

             
          • GoDawgs posted at 7:58 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            GoDawgs Posts: 109

            Folks, it's obvious these high school sophomores weren't out to harass this moose. They were on a slope that they had to get down and after waiting and no movement from the moose they continued down the slope. No harm, no foul. I don't think they had much choice and as 15 year old boys they probably had little patience to wait too long for the moose to move. Sure, they got excited seeing the moose running once they started down the slope. I'd say they are innocent in the grand scheme of things. Time to move on...

            And, heck, seeing a moose running down a slope is a lot more exciting and fun to think about and comment on than any presumed 'moral decline of our culture' and such. And, besides, I like the fact that Barney is gay! [beam] It makes life much more colorful and realistic!

             
          • montananurse posted at 7:31 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            montananurse Posts: 48

            I feel like I am in the Bible Belt.....for I never thought in a million years that abortion would be brought into a conversation about kids harassing wildlife in Montana.

             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 7:24 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            Over 2,717,991 Americans killed or wounded in war since 1716, Pol Pot killed 20% of his nation's citizens, homeless people are freezing today, and Barney is still gay. What an outrage!

            How can we juxtaposition this boy on a snowboard moose encounter to solve the problems of our culture?

            You have the floor, JT!

             
          • mopar56 posted at 5:21 am on Mon, Jan 6, 2014.

            mopar56 Posts: 87

            JT, You make the best point here.

             
          • JT posted at 11:17 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            JT Posts: 209

            This gets 23 comments when articles about things far more weighty go seemingly unnoticed. It is a curious state of affairs when a moose running across a ski run generates more controversy than destruction of our freedom, death of unborn children, moral decline of our culture, and destabilization of the family unit. But, hey, soldier on; I bet that moose was really scared!

             
          • Mntgal posted at 5:02 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            Montanaforever, the video was posted publicly online so we can see and hear all the facts. I saw the video. I am saying I was shocked because they could have stopped and not chased the moose down the slope. I am glad to hear he is otherwise a very nice person. I would certainly not be happy if my daughter was involved in something like this.

             
          • jennydoe posted at 5:00 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            jennydoe Posts: 2198

            Although maybe not the brightest of acts, you gotta admit that was some incredible video, an exciting moment that these two young men will never forget. Ever.

             
          • montananforever posted at 4:13 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            montananforever Posts: 2

            I know Charlie personally. I have sat back and quietly watched this whole thing unfold but I am now to the point that I need to say something in his defense. To mommydearest - THANK YOU! You are so right! People are so quick to pass judgement when they weren't even there! Charlie is the kindest person anyone could ever know. He would feel guilty harming any living creature, human or otherwise. Please stop to think before commenting on any story, not just this one, unless you have been in the situation, walked in their shoes, or know the facts.

             
          • mom posted at 3:54 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            mom Posts: 629

            The most profound quote from my favorite songwriter wasn't even in his song, it was in an interview, and he said "...anyway it isn't even the experience that counts, it's the attitude toward the experience."
            Every little thing that happens with the GoPro turned on goes right straight to facebook where reactions take over and away it goes. Of course I already looked, the walls are public and most of their peers need parental intervention also. The lesson is simply, "respect wildlife, give it room, if you mess with it you might get bit." And it isn't funny.

             
          • DJJackson posted at 3:28 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            oops, that should have been "were their actions illegal" Not was.

             
          • DJJackson posted at 3:27 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            Mntgal, it is not illegal to not be kind, after my day at Costco yesterday, I can assure you of that, nobody was kind. Responsibility, yes I agree, they are responsible for their actions, but the question is, was their actions illegal?

             
          • DJJackson posted at 3:25 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            Folks,

            I am simply looking at the information and making a statement based on the current laws on the books, as an attorney, that is what I look at. I understand laws are mostly gray areas and they need to be defined, because you will have incidents like this happen, that there is no real clear cut answer to. You might not like what they did, but based on reading the current statutes, I don't see where it was illegal.

            As I said, many interesting points to bring up on this one.

             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 3:24 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            They come around the bend at 30 mph on a snowboard and a moose is right in front of them. The braver boarder decided he can out run it. So he was wrong about that.

            If he would of hit the moose and been killed would have made for a way different outcry. The ski area would be sued, as well as the USDA and God himself.

            A 22 second fly by moose encounter does not need society's intervention. These kids are not crack dealers firing a Glock at the moose from their rides either.

            They should have not posted the video and the forest in everyone's mind would be peaceful because no one would have ever known.

             
          • Mntgal posted at 3:00 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            Okay, DJ, so you are an attorney, how about not letting jerks get away with this kind of behavior for once. Its not funny at all. A lot of these kids are lacking responsibility and kindness these days. They need to stop and think before they do things like this.

             
          • Partyer posted at 2:03 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            Okay DJ then who do you want to represent when a punk gets his butt kicked by a giant squirrel and his parents want to sue somebody?

             
          • DJJackson posted at 12:12 pm on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            As an attorney, I would like to take that case up. Wildlife that is not endangered is under the regulations and authority of Montana Fish Wildlfe and Parks, even when on Federal Land, in addition, the incident occurred on Whitefish Mountain, which is not all US Forest Service property, so they would need to prove exactly where this occurred. Third just because you are snowboarding down a recognized ski run and an animal runs out in front of you, does not prove that you were harassing it.

            Many interesting points to bring up on this one.

             
          • Mntgal posted at 11:38 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            Well KAJ18 is reporting that the Flathead National Forest did issue a $250.00 citation.

             
          • michael posted at 11:35 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            michael Posts: 550

            I too had seen this. Didn't realize it was taken here. Thought Montanan's were smarter than that.

             
          • Mntgal posted at 11:26 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            Of course there is not going to be a citation. There is always some loophole to protect the stupid.

             
          • Partyer posted at 10:10 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Partyer Posts: 685

            When I first saw this on FB a couple weeks ago I immediately wondered how much of this the moose was gonna take before he decided to stand his ground. More than I thought he would! These kids are pretty stupid, somehow parents aren't teaching them about wildlife. When you think about it that way, it's sad. I didn't expect to discover that this was local. Now I wonder if anyone learned anything, or if they all think it's funny.

             
          • montanaeasy56 posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            montanaeasy56 Posts: 234

            Harassment???? Is it harassment when the idiots at FWP chase moose all over to stick drugs into them for "scientific" studies. Maybe that will be the next new adventure for them...chasing them on snowboards.

             
          • Mommy Dearest posted at 8:40 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Mommy Dearest Posts: 846

            Clearly the snowboarder was going for a Rock-n-Roll Grind on the moose and the moose was stopping because the moose was looking forward to being featured in a snowboard video.

             
          • DJJackson posted at 7:40 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            DJJackson Posts: 741

            mntgal,

            The article clearly states, there will be no citation.

             
          • jkstraw posted at 7:35 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            jkstraw Posts: 4

            Anyone stupid enough to chase a moose is asking to die.

             
          • Billy posted at 7:23 am on Sun, Jan 5, 2014.

            Billy Posts: 72

            Is there no end to our political correctness? You could say they were chasing the moose or you could say the moose was running in front of them. Either way when the moose grew tired he stood his ground.

             
          • Mntgal posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Jan 4, 2014.

            Mntgal Posts: 145

            I saw the video online and I couldn't believe what they did was legal. I am glad its being investigated. Its clearly harassment, the moose could have broken a leg. Jerks

             
          • mooseberryinn posted at 9:31 pm on Sat, Jan 4, 2014.

            mooseberryinn Posts: 2697

            They should have let the moose borrow the snow board and take a run.[beam]

             

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