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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:30 pm | Updated: 8:35 am, Tue Apr 22, 2014.

Now nine days after an incident of alleged sexual assault on a Glacier High School freshmen football bus, a mother of one of the victims is talking.

The mother is worried that what took place on the bus will be swept under the rug by the school’s administration, and shared what she knows of what happened. She also confirmed that she and some other parents are planning on filing a civil lawsuit against the suspects pending the results of a criminal investigation.

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          75 comments:

          • Alibigranny posted at 9:31 am on Wed, Nov 16, 2011.

            Alibigranny Posts: 1

            I am soooo sick of excuses for adult behavior,,,,hence the name "alibigranny".
            I have been reading your comments and want to let you know the same crap is taking place in Great Falls. The opinions run the line from fair and supportive to condemnation for the victim that had the guts to stand up to bully behavior and assault, If you want another perspective check out the GreatFallstribune.com. Just maybe working together we can change our childrens understanding of abuse in any form.
            There is a song by Rascal Flats by the name of "I won't let go". Take the time to hear the words. It is my song to my children, grandchildren and children to come.
            Stay strong!

             
          • betterlatethannever posted at 10:21 am on Thu, Sep 29, 2011.

            betterlatethannever Posts: 6

            This whole thing is terrible. The fact that those boys banned together against their fellow teammates and the fact that the victims didn't scream, claw, and fight for their safety. There are a lot of problems here on both sides. I not sure how it could be quiet enough for the coaches to sleep yet loud enough to not hear what was happening. I rode busses as a student too, 78Native, if I had screamed the kind of scream you scream when you are terrified the entire bus would have been silenced and coaches would have been awakened. When you hear that noise your natural animal instinct is to stop and listen, you can not ignore it.

            Parents of the victims need to take this chance to reinforce to their kids that they themselves are the only ones who will ever stick up for them. Believe in themselves, know what is right and what is wrong and fight tooth and nail against the wrong. This is a very hard way to learn one of life's most valuable lessons.

            Parents of the perpetrators need to remember that most violent offenders started out as victims.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 6:50 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            anybody have the Cliffsnotes?

             
          • toughlove posted at 4:31 am on Wed, Sep 28, 2011.

            toughlove Posts: 4

            I need to to clarify what I said below, because I can't sleep until I change it:

            "welcome them back" is a poor choice of words. I especially hope the ring-leaders don't come back, but I realize there is a possibility it may happen. What I meant to say, was I hope the boys in the school and on the team will only be accepting to the perpetrators if they actually show a total change in the way they behave on a long-term basis in the following areas that I already delineated. Otherwise shunning them is appropriate if they come back with the same cocky, vulgar attitude and behavior. I know some are already back now. Please, to all the parents on the team and school officials, please coach your kids/students on appropriate ways to respond to lewd gestures, jokes, and behavior which is where it begins. Don't think it is okay for "boys to be boys." If enough of our fine, strong, young men didn't laugh at them, just ignored them, or told them "Dude, that's not cool," the good character kids would overpower the perpetrators just by their mere example. That is what we should expect of our Pack, and I challenge our freshman boys to rise to that kind of strength.

            And the human part of me would just like to rub in the fact that we were able to win the last football game without the perpetrators. Of course, it would have been worth losing not to have them on, but I took great delight in the fact that our boys pulled it off without them. Way to go boys!

             
          • toughlove posted at 11:27 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            toughlove Posts: 4

            I am dedicating my screenname and my first ever comment to a newspaper article to "WOW". I too am a mom of a football player on the freshman team at Glacier High. It will be pretty difficult for me in the next four years to wonder which of the mom's I meet, interact with, and get to know made the following comment:

            "Clearly the “goosing” was intended to be joking and fun and was not a targeted at certain boys on the bus, my understanding is that it is the new version of a pat on the rear. "

            Remind me not to let my son stay over at a sleep over at your house.

            I think (or at least hope) your intentions are good, and that you would like healing to take place for all, (so would I), but by taking away accountability and minimizing actions to justify the boys is not in their long-term best interest. I already know from first-hand experience that one of the boys has a pattern of poor behavior, and that eating a little bit of humble pie and sitting "at home for several days wondering what shoe was going to drop next" could be the very thing that provides a wake-up call to prevent them/him from going down the next step down the slippery slope.

            I was relieved when I first heard the rumor that they would be off for all four season of sports, and disappointed to find out they can play next season's sport. You're right, they shouldn't be shunned for life; forgiveness is crucial. Forgiveness is not the same as tolerance, and so many people get that confused.

            Missing four weeks of sports doesn't seem to be enough of a sacrifice to make it hurt, if you know what I mean. I hope the perpetrators will one day be able to apologize to the boys they hurt; that would really help the healing of both the perpetrators and the victims. As one who is a survivor of sexual abuse, I can promise that an apology (sincere apology) and change of behavior is worth its weight in gold, and so is a little bit of justice. The mother who wrote the article probably would not have written it, if she felt as much compassion for her son, as you feel for the perpetrators.

            Wow, you said, "I’m certain are all of the teammates that are associated with a very proud Glacier Football program are mortified to read this account and the actions that are being taken." I disagree. The boys need to be faced with the stark reality of behaviors and consequences. It is what it is...don't sugar-coat it for them, or they will become the ilk that smokes pot in front of Sportshouse parking lots on some weekends, and who then drinks and drives, and then rapes, and then...and then...

            Let our boys learn from the mistakes of others, and decide to be the ones not to repeat the mistakes. Let our boys forgive the perpetrators and welcome them back with caution, and then whole-heartedly when they see that their behavior (1) on the bus, (2) in the locker room, (3) in their language, (4) and on the playing field merits it. Positive peer pressure is good. We don't want to be proud of our team just for the sake of being proud. We want to be proud of our team because they deserve it. It is quite appropriate for our boys to be ashamed of what happened and not to be proud of what happened, but resolve that they won't tolerate lewd behavior and be examples..,.,.positive peer pressure.

            However, I am prepared to give the boys respect when they return and pray that they will have a change of heart not only in their behavior on the bus, but their disrespectful behavior when they are in the locker room, as well. In addition, I hope they will have a desire to play clean football when they return and keep the rules to the best of their ability as well. No they are not all good boys, but have the potential to become so, with tough love and forgiveness. Hopefully, they were not raised too leniently nor too harshly. I do not judge the parents because, I don't know them, and none of us as parents are perfect. But really "Wow", some of your comments and attitudes concern me. In the mean time, I look forward to getting to know you better next year as we serve our sons dinner when they are on the JV team.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 8:55 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            keep em coming folks, this is entertainment at it's best. This 74Brave dude is something eh? It seems he really believes what he says. You can't make this up.

             
          • averagejoe posted at 5:07 pm on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            averagejoe Posts: 253

            74Brave, I would not go quite as far as you on your assertions but I do believe that the district ( read administration ) is protecting the coach, parent volunteer and driver. The district and its insurance company will be held responsible and will have to pay out hundreds of thousands of dollars in damages to the assault victims. By protecting the adults who were in charge from criminal charges the district is trying to soften the financial hit it will take, instead of looking out for the welfare of the victims. Why did it take 8 days to offer outside counselling? After paying for the flood at Glacier and now this the districts insurance premiums will go through the roof. This district is being mismanaged from the top down. The school board needs to act, but I think it will just try and make this go away as quitely as possible. Time to replace some board members.

             
          • 74Brave posted at 6:54 am on Tue, Sep 27, 2011.

            74Brave Posts: 14

            These things do not happen in sports without the implied consent of the coaches. More then likely the kids that were assaulted were not contributing to the team and the coaches wanted them off. But for what ever reason they could not just cut them. So they make it known to the other players that it is OK to harass and bully these kids until they quit the team.
            I do not believe for a second that the coaches were asleep while the attemped rapes occurred. The school needs to hold the coaches accountable and file criminal charges if it can be proven that the coaches encouraged the young men into doing this despicablle act of cruelty.

             
          • MrMark posted at 10:55 pm on Mon, Sep 26, 2011.

            MrMark Posts: 358

            Well, what would you expect in a school district that has Schottle at the head? These kids should have been expelled until a full hearing had been completed. This totally disgusts me. Had this happened to my son and I found out who the punks were, I'd be in jail right now!

             
          • 78Native posted at 11:17 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            78Native Posts: 7

            Wow.

            My two cents:
            1. Having ridden team buses as a student, I can totally believe that this was able to happen.
            2. As a teacher (not in MT), I have been told by my administrations to outright lie, accept inappropriate behavior, and generally not make waves; there is a huge issue of liability, and a lot of stuff comes down to CYA. Also, the public school system is set up for failure, and therefore is doomed to corruption (sorry to sound so dramatic, but I'm trying to be brief).
            3. This behavior is symptomatic of a widespread problem. Literally the same sort of behavior is going on in workplace situations. But the laws (based on the changing will of the people rather than an independent standard of rightness) have made it illegal to defend oneself while making it extremely hard to convict those who prey on others.
            4. As a victim of sexual molestation, it can really mess with your head. And the body doesn't have to be hurt for the rest of the person to suffer. Denial, guilt, shock, etc. are all upfront reactions, all of which may preclude a confrontational response. Also, abusers are often good at shifting blame to the victims and casting themselves in the role of the injured party, while maintaining a sort of relationship with the victims. Just because a victim is "social" with an abuser doesn't mean that the victim is ok with what happened. Additionally, generalization can occur, in which the victim associates the abuse with anyone resembling the abuser, causing additional anguish. There's a whole lot more, but saying "just let the past be the past and let's move on" is a whole load of crap from someone that wants to avoid dealing with the actual problem. If someone tore someone else's arm off, you wouldn't be saying that. Just saying.
            5. I realize the situation is still being investigated. But I've seen enough of the legal system to realize that justice is a fancy term for the big guy in the situation getting his own way. Good luck, all y'all.

             
          • mom21 posted at 6:58 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            mom21 Posts: 1

            the busdrivers job is just drive, thats it really? so if there was a bloody fight should he just keep on driving like hes supposed to, and not pay any attention. when i was in middle school we had fights often on the buss and finaly we got a new bussdriver, witch i felt much safer with, he always looked in the rearveiw mirror and saw everything, and if he didnt like what he saw he would pull over and say to that bad kid to "sit in the front and be good or your walking home" and that is the responsibility of a bus driver!! oh and being grabed by the knees and pulled under, how is that imposible? i saw it happen my self on the buss i was on! what if that happend to you! an adult, what if some pervert did that to you, would you just say he was bulling you no big deal?? this is a rape asult! i am outraged! this is just the way montanas goverment is, takes things lightly, if this was to happen in Oregon those kids would be in jail by now!

             
          • katorce14 posted at 1:48 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            katorce14 Posts: 150

            mkohana - do the words innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you?

             
          • katorce14 posted at 1:47 pm on Sun, Sep 25, 2011.

            katorce14 Posts: 150

            lostjohnny - Students have absolute right to privacy under the law. Don't like it change the law. Want the school to get sued, have it release even one of the names of either perpetrator or victim.

            ALL proceedings of you school board are public record, there are only two cases when public can be kept out of a meeting and one is students right to privacy, this right can be waived only by the parent. Grievances etc would have had to come before the school board so please go find these incidents you speak of then come back when you have educated yourself even a small amount about that which you speak about.

             
          • lostjohnny posted at 11:01 pm on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            lostjohnny Posts: 7

            Thank you to the mother who stepped forward and brought this terrible incident to the public's attention. This is not the first time, nor will it be the last, that Schottle minimizes the facts and scope of an incident to keep the public from knowing the truth of what happens in School District 5. If the public knew of all the complaints, greivances, lawsuits, illegal terminations, and legal actions filed against Schottle and the school board, and the money the district has had to pay to settle these actions, another levy would never be passed. Schottle conceals the facts by using student confidentiality and the students' rights to privacy to keep the truth from the public. Trying to cover up this incident will just further the damage already done.

             
          • mkohana posted at 8:43 pm on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            mkohana Posts: 41

            I hope all kids involved in assaulting these boys get slapped hard. Will they though? I hardly doubt it, like I've mentioned time and time again, the Judicial system only protects the wrong in this town and the innocent will pay for it, unfortunatley. Im surprised that the kids who assaulted these kids are not sitting there sorry butts in Juvi while they investigate it. Let them stay locked up so the victims can go to school in peace.

             
          • Been there done that posted at 7:21 pm on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            Been there done that Posts: 101

            It seems that this was more that just a "pat" on the butt or goosing as it was called by one mother (no big deal), and maybe a bit more than just a few boys being "gay" and getting naked by one blogger. And to others that stated let the investigation run it's course, or believe in a conspiracy theory........well.....3 players now have been told not to return to Glacier for at least another week, or until an expulsion hearing.....but, really, nothing ever happened.......all I can say is...."that is so gay".

             
          • lovenmt posted at 2:33 pm on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            lovenmt Posts: 9

            It is unbelievable how many people still want to pretend this never happened. Well it did and how sad it is that so many lives have forever been changed by this.And how sad it is that things like this have been goin gon for years and swept under the carpet (despite what some of you may say) I hope that some day the victims will find some sort of peace for themselves. For those of you who choose to live with your head burried in the sand think about this "what if it was your child, grandchild, etc how would you feel then????

             
          • mom posted at 11:40 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            mom Posts: 628

            I'd have a beer with you any day, Dolphin. Please join us, janie.

             
          • gogriz posted at 10:14 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            gogriz Posts: 9

            I wonder how many of these kids actually felt like they were a victim when they got off the bus that night.
            Insisting they are has put them in the spotlight on a daily basis through radio, tv and newspaper. - all the young men that were on the bus that night are victims because of this - including the coaches. I have noticed this has turned into a Flathead versus Glacier competition for some readers too!

             
          • janie posted at 10:04 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            janie Posts: 174

            School is for education? I have to wonder if sports should even be a part of education maybe it should be independant of schooling and the parents need to take their own children to the events and their behavior can be monitored by the parent and paid for by the parent if they so chose to. Teachers/coaches should focus on education that is the only responsibility of the taxpayers. remember the 3 R's. Education should be thought of as a priveldge and not our responsibility. Some Kids dont' want to be there so why force them to the deteriment of those that really do want to be productive members of society. The children of today are the products of poor parenting, parents for the past 30 years have instilled in their children no ethics, responsiblities, and that they are special and deserving. They lead to the degradation of society.

             
          • Dolphin posted at 8:03 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            Dolphin Posts: 123

            Wow, you all have someone to blame, don't you? Why are you all sitting and playing the blame game here instead of focusing on the bottom line- What kind of kids are these people raising to do things like this? I would be horrified if my 7 year old was to grow up to do something like this!!! Can we all focus on that please!! What would possess these kids to do something so disgusting and cruel? I hope they do not allow these kids parents to just sit and make excuses for them like Casey Anthony's parents keep doing. We need to see this new generation be held accountable for their actions in hopes that they will make better decisions in the future!

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 7:50 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            how loud exactly was that radio on mom? How much noise do open windows make anyway. What is this noise you speak of? Kids screaming the whole trip because they won? The bus driver thought something was going on is what the story said but according to you, he has no responsibility whatsoever other than to drive. He shouldn't even turn the lights on if something questionable is happening or get the attention of the coaches. Is that the same kind of bus driver you want on the daily routes? I mean, they have to drive don't they? How can they possibly do anything else?

            Explain the dragging under the seat part too while you are at it. You are one of the many idiots on here jumping to conclusions before you get all the facts. If you were the mother telling the story, I'm guessing it would have been quite the dramatic novel. You are clueless lady.

             
          • just a mom posted at 5:44 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            just a mom Posts: 4

            As far as the coaches go, yes, I believe that watching over their team and staying awake is \,without a doubt, their job. Perhaps it doesnt pay much, but you knew that before you got on the bus, I'm assuming. When there are two coaches, perhaps you could take turns getting some shut eye. But the reality is, the boys are 14 and 15 years old. In some ways they are still children, but by this point in life, they know the difference between right and wrong. They knew that violating another human being is wrong, and that watching another human being be violated and doing nothing about is wrong. Even my much younger children know this. Perhaps what they don't yet understand are the terms "accountability and consequence". It is time they learn. My heart goes out to all the victims, and their families. When I put myself in the shoes of both the parents of the victims, and the parents of the violators, my stomach hurts and my chest starts to tighten. I can only pray that all parties involved are able to heal in time.

             
          • just a mom posted at 5:18 am on Thu, Sep 22, 2011.

            just a mom Posts: 4

            Krispistofferson: Seriously, the bus driver...that's who you are trying to hold accountable? The one who is entrusted to drive our children down the highway at 65 mph, that's who you want to be watching what is going on at the back of bus? You claim to have made so many bus trips blah blah blah....have you noticed that noone has responded to your idiotic repetitive comments about the bus driver? I'd have to say it's because they are unfounded and senseless. If you HAD been on a bus, particulary a bus ride home after a victory, you would know exactly how loud it is. Obviously these victims were too scared to cry out for help, for fear of the reprecussions in the locker room. So to someone concentrating on the road, as we would expect the bus driver to do, it would most likely sound like people on a victory bus home, not like people in distress. The fact that this needs to be explained to you, a seasoned bus passenger and obviously sleeping coach, speaks of your superior intellect. Did you ever stop to think that you didnt see anyone sliding under the seats, and this is just a wild guess, BECAUSE YOUR EYES WERE CLOSED!?

             
          • HamNeggs posted at 10:15 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            HamNeggs Posts: 79

            Correction: Last sentence of my post meant to say that I'm NOT condoning anything that happened. Sorry.

             
          • HamNeggs posted at 10:13 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            HamNeggs Posts: 79

            eyesopen, Did you really just reference the Nazi party and the tragedy at Columbine High School?! This situation bares no resemblance to either. Slow down, wait for the all the facts to be presented, then see how the administration handles the situation. If you still have a problem with things, that's your right, but to compare this situation to the other two you referenced is irresponsible. I'm condoning anything that happened but come on..... the Nazis?

             
          • eyesopen posted at 9:27 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            eyesopen Posts: 1

            I have observed bullying in the school systems for over 10 years. By the time you're a h.s. freshman, you know what is considered OK behavior, and what is way over the line. The events described in this article are only 1 step removed from prison gang banging. I would not want my child on a school bus ever with the young men who did this. Those perpetrators are criminals, and should not ever be allowed to get the chance to do the same thing on another school trip. If you are heartless enough to do this kind of behavior, no amount of counseling is going to change that. The school district is afraid to say anything for fear of it being used against them in lawsuits. Aside from that, they do need to seize the situation and discuss with the entire student body the long term effects of bullying and harassment. Stopping such totally out of line behavior starts with prevention. And to encourage students to stand up to bullying and harassment. All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to stand by and do nothing (too tired to look up who said this about the Nazis, it still is true today). I see young people who are being worn down and emotionally crippled by bullying. The effects are lifelong. How long is it going to take for the football players who were dragged and assaulted to get over this? I spent 10 weeks supervising 15 year olds in a Youth Conservation Corps camp. This is not in the realm of normal boys' wrestling with each other and just horsing around at all. Attempted rape whether it is sexual or simply domination, is never OK. When kids are bullied long enough, some are crushed, some lash back. That's what happened at Columbine High School.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 9:02 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            From the above story:

            "At some point, several students crawled underneath the bench seats to the front of the bus and grabbed her son and other victims by their ankles, dragging them underneath the seats back to the rear of the bus."

            This is really hard to believe. Several students crawling underneath seats pulling others the length of the bus against their will. Sounds dramatic doesn't it? That would certainly be something to be angry about if it actually happened. Seems it would need the coordination of a military exercise. And as I asked earlier, if the bus driver isn't paying attention and isn't smart enough to turn on the lights to see what the commotion is about, AND the coaches are sleeping, why go through that monumental task of dragging bodies through the bus under the seats? Were they just stupid?

            Some kids misbehaved and some maybe somewhat badly, but I get the feeling we have a lot of people wanting something to be outraged about.

             
          • flathdnativ posted at 8:15 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            flathdnativ Posts: 12

            These punks have no excuse. If they had done this to one of my kids, I can honestly say without a doubt that there would be pure hell to pay for all who participated. Justice would be served with or without the legal system. Vigilante style. Probably the only real way to get their attention. I say run them and their parents right out of this valley. Don't blame the coaches or the staff.

             
          • theleanbean posted at 7:46 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            theleanbean Posts: 1

            I attended a District 5 high school a few years back. I was a 3 sport athlete for all 4 years of high school and was involved in many other clubs/activities. As a result, I have been on MANY bus rides to and from events/ games. Most of my favorite memories of high school sports were made on those bus rides. I cannot tell you how loud, noisy and rowdy we were especially after victories! Coaches slept right through it all and most bus drivers rarely looked back. If you had to deal with a team of teenagers from 10 am (about the time you load the bus depending on where you're going) till sometimes midnight when you return, you would need some sleep too! I don't think there was a bus ride where one of my coaches stayed awake the entire time. Oh and p.s. it is very easy to slide under the bus seats... believe me!

            What I don't understand is how people can be saying this mother "exaggerated" in telling the situation that occurred on this bus. Whether it was over exaggerated or not, one thing cannot be denied from the situation... there was harassment, bullying, and some sort of assault. I am a young adult and am sickened by some of the comments saying it was "over exaggerated." REALLY?!?! I don't care if they boys actually went through with it or were just trying to attempt it...it is all the same!!!! These boys are guilty and its time the school district starts standing up for the VICTIMS not covering their own butts. It’s about time there is a voice for the VICTIMS. I would hope that my mother would do the same in standing up for me and caring about my safety. My heart goes out to the boys and the remaining players on the team. Keep your heads up and play hard the rest of the season and in your high school careers!

             
          • PerpetuallyOptimistic posted at 6:25 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            PerpetuallyOptimistic Posts: 30

            First, Grady Bennett is a great coach, with a great program. Unfortunately the staff he trusted made an egregious error by sleeping on the bus.

            Second, Officer Parce has clearly laid everything out on the table and given a time frame and what to expect next, and what the parents can do.

            Third, I'm very concerned for the victims and retaliation. How awkward will that be for winter sports,spring sports this year? How can they become a "pack" again? Will the victims and offenders be able to resolve what happened in such a short time?

            Fourth, no apology has been made to the victims by the offenders. How do we know they are really sorry for what happened? or are they sorry they got caught and have to deal with punishment? No apology has been made by the two coaches that were on the bus.

            Fifth, the school should be offering help to both the victims and offenders. Communicate with the parents, respond to emails and phone calls. I don't think that's too much to ask

            Sixth, most of the kids at school have very little or no skills to deal with this. Why not address this? There's a BIG, GIANT Elephant in the room and a small amount of coaching would help ease students attitudes towards the issue.

            Finally, I want to tell you how tough this is being the parent of one of the offended. Worrying, sleepless nights, saying the right things, trying to help, wondering about the backlash and on and on. I voted for this school and support it 100%, love the wolf pack theme and want to see this school succeed. We all want success for our future generation. What's done is done, we can move forward and make things safer for all the kids. It will happen by doing what's the best for the kids. In order to move forward and make things the better, there has to be trust and clear communication with the administration.

             
          • TommyE2007 posted at 5:54 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            TommyE2007 Posts: 1

            I think the whole program should be shut down. I've heard about other incidents like this happen in the past couple years at Glacier High School. Fire the coaches and get someone in there who is going to put the foot down on all this hazing and harrassing of other players. When I went to Flathead none of this happened in our football program. It is down right wrong and disgusting! It makes me so mad that I hear about these kids being violated like this. That is unexceptable and I think all those kids involved should be expelled. What is going on with kids these days?

             
          • truthspeaks posted at 5:25 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            WOW...You say your child was neither a victim or perpetrator on the bus, I find it hard to believe that he/she was just an observer. There was one bus driver, one coach, one parent volunteer (who by the way IS paid a stipend, so should not be called a volunteer) 17 boys, 2 (girl) managers.

            Okay, so eight kids are suspended & eight were assulted, so that one remaining child is possibly your son or one of two of the female managers.... Why did your child do nothing while these other kids were being abused??? If your child is not a victim then they are just as guilty for being a part of this travesty. They did NOTHING to stop it!!!!! Your child showed his moral fiber (and obviously yours) by doing nothing!

            How dare you blame the mother for reporting this??? Maybe if the players involved had showed any remorse, or if the administration showed any empathy at all she wouldn't have had to go to the paper. As for saying that is a gross exageration of what happened, how would you know? You were not there were you?

            How dare you call sticking your fingers in someones anis goosing??? And frankly you are the only one I have heard of call this the new version of patting on the rear.

            "The boys who FELT victimized...I am sorry for those who FEEL like victims" Why don't you just say they deserved it or were asking for it. Why don't you admit your child is just as guilty for doing nothing and/ or being one of the assulters and you are condoning the atrocious behavior that happened.

            Get your child the counseling they need, and while you are there do yourself a favor and get some for yourself, because your justifications and diversions, are really really creepy.

             
          • gogriz posted at 5:19 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            gogriz Posts: 9

            I was raised in this country to believe you were innocent until proven guilty and then you received your punishment. These young men have been assumed guilty and are already being punished. Taking students out of the classroom is not acceptable - and for eight days?!

             
          • dln posted at 4:22 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            dln Posts: 50

            Michael, I understand what you are saying about parents attacking the officals.Okay, so maybe lazy isn't the right term. I get pretty wound up when I hear that the administrators are not doing what they should be doing. Delt with that way too much at my son's last school: being told one thing and then the opposite would happen such as "I am looking into this and I will let you know the outcome of my investigation" type stuff and then never hear another word and I saw this person most every day.
            The administrators are paid well and in my opinion, some of that is "combat pay" (for lack of a better term) to deal with the hard and icky stuff and to be strong.
            I would think that the school has an attorney (maybe they don't) and maybe the schools insurance would pay for the attorney. I don't know. What I do think is that if the administration takes on the job then they need to handle the situations that arise and turn a blind eye.
            We as taxpayers and parents need to back up the mill levies (I realize that is not this subject-but possibly a part of what it will take to help take care of situations like parents who threaten) to pay for the insurance, attorney if we want to hold people accountable for their actions and to face off with the attacking parent. If the attacking parent knew that the administrator wouldn't back down and call them on the carpet, then maybe the attacking parent would think about what they really should be doing which is getting their child the help and support to succeed. Alot of people threaten to sue because that bully tactic has always worked for them.

            Also, if there is a bully policy (which all schools are required to have) then it needs to be followed each and every time.

             
          • JMGriz posted at 4:21 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            JMGriz Posts: 53

            Great news, it looks like we have a nice group of applicants to coach 9th grade athletics on this board. Get up at 5:00am, get the kids ready for school, go teach our youth all day (while using your spare minutes to come up with final adjustments to your game plan), take a school bus for 3+ hours, coach 9th grade kids basic football skills, until about 6:00 pm, watch the varsity game, and all of the kids at the game so they don't get in trouble until about 9:00, then hop back on the bus, and closely monitor EACH kid on the bus until about 11:30 when you return (if you're only in Missoula or somewhere close), and NOT SLEEP AT ALL, and do this for approx $1.20 - $2 an hour depending on your dedication to the kid's successes and their experience, possibly less. It's hard enough to find good coaches willing to put aside their personal time to help our youth, don't be rediculous and throw this situation on them. It's not on the administration, it's not on the coaches, it is NOW on them to properly react, and it looks like they are doing so (immediately kicked off the team no questions asked, and an investigation for the truth is in the process)

            I will automatically side with the victims in this case, as I'm sure all of the coaches and admin have as well, and will "assume" the worst. However, while you're "assuming" you don't just geet to start expelling kids and altering lives, it's probably worth getting the whole story first. One kid on the bus says it was an old fasion wrestling match with 9th grade boys, another says it was a brutal rape, assault case, it's obviously not a clean cut story, with a clear resolve. I hope the truth finally does come out, and all kids and parents are handled in the proper manner, which I'm sure they will be. Let the system take it's course, and hold your harsh judgements until a true story officially comes out.

            One last thing, I thought Flathead had all the bad kids with their coaching staff and administration cover ups, and the Glacier kids were so well disciplined and never did anything wrong?? Interesting. Fact is, you can have a perfect program, run by perfectly responsible people, and somebody somewhere is still going to mess up, kind of the risk you run when dealing with teenagers.

             
          • MfgMan posted at 4:02 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            MfgMan Posts: 343

            Brett Hollum posted at 12:02 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.
            Love the people on the thread saying the victims were exaggerating the incident. Next thing you'll throw out is "They were asking for it."
            ----------------
            Until or unless I see sworn testimony or affidavits from the victims, perps, and bystanders, I'll hold off in terms of what I choose to believe.

            I wouldn't be any more surpised to hear that those who are suing are exaggerating than I would be to hear that the school system is downplaying what happened.

             
          • 07Clute posted at 3:08 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            07Clute Posts: 19

            Fire the coaches - the union will not allow that, I bet it's in the contract to sleep while on duty.
            Before the smoke clears there will probably be a strike. Sound like the ring leader is already a habitual offender. Here's a shovel ready job build more prisons.

             
          • 5thgenMT posted at 2:53 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            5thgenMT Posts: 39

            "WOW,"
            I actually agree with some of your point as I am most angry with the school administrators and in particular the "coaching" staff that allowed this to happen.

            I would think that peer pressure outside of the football team would discourage this sort of thing from happening again. I am a Homophobic so perhaps my insight is skewed but trying to insert one's teenage finger into another teenage male's anis has never been, nor will it ever be, a "cool" thing to do - except, apparently, on this mis-coached Glacier freshman football team.

            Punish the guilty kids appropriately and fire - with prejudice- the adults that allowed this to happen.

            I really feel sorry for the rest of the kids on the team who were not involved. How would YOU like to live the rest of your life with this black cloud over your introductory year to High School football?

            Great job "coaches"

            -apparently the correct spelling for anis is considered an obscenity and can't be posted...

             
          • Worried about our children posted at 2:47 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Worried about our children Posts: 1

            I am so saddened and disgusted by this. These boys have been bullies for quite some time now, to do this on a bus with adults, they have found that they can get away with this with just a slap on the hands. One of them was bullying my grandson in the 3rd grade, here it is years later and he's still at it, only worse. Where is the compasion for the victims? Where are the parents of these abusers? Have they not taught them to feel for others, do unto others? High school is suppose to be a fun time for kids, not a time when they have to fear each day they leave the house. There is so much bullying going on right now in the schools, it's time to take a stand. I would respect the schools so much more if they were going to make an example of the abusers. Instead, they say they want to minimize it and get on to normalcy. It seems "normalcy" is just back to worrying each day. Is that what we want? NO! Do something about it. I've never stood with a group to petition something, I'd sure stand with this now. These coaches should have been fully awake and aware of what was going on, but besides that, this starts at home. These boys, to go to this extent, will be doing worse later most likely. They will be hurt in the long run if they get away with this. Stop them now, help them become good citizens in their adult years. And I can't believe no one has offered help to the victims. Doesn't any school officials involved have children/grandchildren? Do they have no compasion either? No wonder our kids have problems. I'm really worried about the next generation, everyone is afraid of being too tough. I am totally disgusted that these abusers are back in school. The kids victims should not have to face these abusers each day. They do not belong back in the public schools until they themselves have counciling and can honestly repent for what they did. Disgusting!!

             
          • 5thgenMT posted at 2:36 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            5thgenMT Posts: 39

            Coaches sleeping on buses? That's insane! Why are the coaches even on the bus if not to WATCH the children under their ward? I absolutely guarantee you this didn't happen where I grew up in MT - and I played in almost every sport there is through Junior High and High School.

            As far as the coaches being underpaid? Quit. I am quite positive that their would be dozens if not hundreds of applicants for the now available position.

            I am perplexed at how the Team building exercises during football practice failed to produce a cohesive unit of one that would never attack one of their own? I've had boys play through Little Guy and Junior High football and they really did become a TEAM - a TEAM that would never let another member try to anally penetrate one of their own...

            Glacier High Admin. and the coaching (I'm hesitant to even call them coaches) should be ashamed of themselves. This incident is criminally disgusting!

             
          • wow posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            wow Posts: 6

            Expel them? Do you really want to expel six 15 year olds for an incident that got out of control on a bus ride home? Have each of you done something in your life that got out of control that you regret and later wished you could take by or apologize for, but were told that instead, you would be condemned and shunned for the rest of your life? Instead, perhaps as a community we should use this as a learning experience (learn, change, move on). The boys clearly need to be punished, counseled and reintroduced back into the school and at some point back into the program with clear expectations. The boys who felt victimized also need counseling and an apology. What some people are missing is that these boys are friends and teammates and the more rumors and accusations that circulate the bigger the wedge. As parents, we need to help our children, not by pointing fingers and driving the wedge, but by giving our children a voice, leadership and coping skills. These skills don’t include eliminating all obstacles (expelling eight good kids who need us) for our children rather teaching them how to “cope” with issues they may face. Clearly the help of good parents and the administration will make this easier. I know we are all sorry for those who feel like victims; let’s make sure we don’t have more unintended consequences.

             
          • MAE posted at 2:10 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            MAE Posts: 3

            speakingup.......... BRAVO to you for SPEAKING UP!!!
            Beentheredonethat.......... Kudos to you as well!

            It was while reading your posts that I had a flashback. A HUGE story at the time, of a Long Island football team's assault on some of its younger - and smaller - players.

            If this situation with GHS is not sufficiently addressed, it will eventually come to the same end.
            Here's a few links, for those of you who still think this is just an exaggerated tale of 'fun & games':

            Police investigate allegations of sex abuse in team hazing -
            http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/09/12/long.island.hazing/index.html
            High school hazing rife, growing ‘more brutal’ -
            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30239890/ns/us_news-education/t/high-school-hazing-rife-growing-more-brutal/
            multiple story links on the LI incident -
            http://www.nytimes.com/keyword/mepham-high-school

             
          • MAE posted at 1:51 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            MAE Posts: 3

            To 'Cayuse Parent' - I commend you for your comments! and agree wholeheartedly in acknowledging the courage of the VICTIMS and those parents that are speaking up and fighting for their children in this article and probably behind the scenes.

            To 'Partyer' - Get real! Not all children are capable of 'fighting back', for what ever reason. Obviously, you've never really known anyone who was actually assaulted.

            To 'mom' - Homophobic much? Boys - and men - have been being sexually assaulted by their heterosexual peers for many, many years. A dear friend of mine was one such victim in the 1950's, on more than one occasion. His attackers have never been, and never will be gay; they are likely even more homophobic than you appear to be.

            On the other hand, I do applaud you for recognizing and defending the reality that kids can and do crawl under the bus seats.

            To 'krispistofferson' - OMG!!! What? was one of your kids the instigator? Or does this situation bring back fond memories of your time in school? STOP defending these horrid little hormonal terrors!

            Back when I was in school, the coaches NEVER slept on the buses. Often on 5+ hour drives late at night, when 99% of the bus was asleep. They'd often talk quietly to the bus driver, helping each other stay awake, while still managing to keep an eye and ear on their charges.

            They were actually RESPONSIBLE adults, unlike yourself and the adults that were on this bus.

            What happened to these kids is horrendous. Nobody should have to experience something like this; particularly in a supposedly 'safe' environment under adult supervision.

            To trivialize and make light of what these kids went through, and are continuing to go through, is appalling in the extreme. To say they and their parents are exaggerating........ Well....... I just hope you and your families NEVER have to experience it for yourselves.

            At the very least, the perpetrators of these acts should actually be banned from ALL sports activities, as well as all of the functions. It would be a community service if they were to be expelled; however, they would likely become even more dysfunctional members of the community if they were.

            My prayers go out to each of the victims and their families. May you receive the support and resolution you deserve from the community, and even the school.
            Good luck to all of you.

             
          • Partyer posted at 1:10 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 683

            And what I meant to point out was that regardless of any bullying policy, we mustn't have our kids be little pansies and just sit there and take it. When you're being sexually molested you need to fight back, tooth and nail.

             
          • Partyer posted at 12:53 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Partyer Posts: 683

            Long ago and far away something just slightly worse happened on the basketball team bus. My friends and I (not basketball players) were discussing it and we just couldn't believe it happened. It was agreed that there would be one HELL of a fight if someone tried to "do that to me."

             
          • Brett Hollum posted at 12:02 pm on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Brett Hollum Posts: 5

            Love the people on the thread saying the victims were exaggerating the incident. Next thing you'll throw out is "They were asking for it."

            Yes I'm sure it was all the victims fault in this. That's the mature way to go about things. Are you all parents on this thread.... yikes....

             
          • Been there done that posted at 11:57 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Been there done that Posts: 101

            This situation is endemic of a larger problem that is now coming to light. What happened on the freshman bus was just the proverbial “icing on the cake”…….the much larger cake has been cooking for years, and yes, this newly cooked school (Glacier), has swept some of it’s crumbs (possibly your son or daughter) under the carpet. Who’s going to notice a few crumbs……..it’s the big giant fancy cake that everyone’s going to see that counts. This was all done under the careful eye of the administration; all under the auspicious notion of school pride; the culture of winners. Of course some players/parents/admin. don't see a problem......or are down playing it......because......We are the mighty Wolf Pack! Silence the weak and undesirables. The Alpha Female and Male are in charge (administration) Such is what happens in the “pack”. No, this did not start with the freshman football bus, but hopefully it ends there.

             
          • speakingup posted at 11:50 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            speakingup Posts: 1

            First of all to the mother who wrote in, thank you. The truth does need to come out and I appreciate your courage in making that happen. All parents and tax payers have a right to know the facts. I am a parent of one of the victims. What I want to say is coming from my personal meetings that we have had with the AD Dennehy and Lance Labrum, not information from rumors and hearsay. We met initially with Dennehy and Labrum. During that meeting they were quick to say that there will be consequences for hazing but not willing to call it what it was, sexual assault. A felony crime. This is even after I requested that they stop using the word hazing. They were quick to say that these perpetrators, were "exceptional athletes" "they have a right to an education". They went on to say how these kids are taught leadership and mentoring. But not once in three days of meetings were we asked how our son is doing. Not once asked what can they do to help him. Not once was any counseling offered. My question is, why should the victims have to walk the halls with these kids? Our son was violated and several others were as well. I encourage those parents of Glacier High Students to read the handbook. The consequence for bully/harassment/ intimidation/ hazing(their word of choice) is expulsion. That doesn't even touch on sexual assault. Why is it that these "ring leader's" aren't expelled? As a parent of one of the victims I definitely feel they (District 5) are trying to minimize and dismiss the true facts and I for one will think twice before allow any of my children to be transported by a bus to a school sponsored event.

             
          • wow posted at 10:55 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            wow Posts: 6

            My son was on this bus. He was neither a victim nor a “perpetrator”. According to him, all his teammates were laughing and joking all the way home (it was after all a victory celebration) including those that came from the front of the bus to the back of the bus. There was no discussion about kids being drug under seats. The account in the paper sounds like a gross exaggeration of events as retold by a very concerned mother (I do understand). I suspect that her son is a bit mortified that she went to the paper. I’m certain are all of the teammates that are associated with a very proud Glacier Football program are mortified to read this account and the actions that are being taken. I’m sad not only for any players and/or parents that felt the tackling on the bus went too far, but also for the boys who were kicked off the team and sat at home for several days wondering what shoe was going to drop next. There were a lot of victims that came home on that bus. Clearly the “goosing” was intended to be joking and fun and was not a targeted at certain boys on the bus, my understanding is that it is the new version of a pat on the rear. I suspect the boys are very sorry and would love to be able to apologize in person, but there are now “charges pending”. These are good all kids, it is a good program. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. Isn’t it time to heal?

             
          • Karen59901 posted at 10:28 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Karen59901 Posts: 1

            It happen last year as well, but no one talked. So thankful someone is bringing these crimes to the public ear. This is my community and I'm so ashamed of the silence and acceptance. Where is the responsibility? The students won't talk, the coaches won't talk, the parents won't talk... The leaders of the high schools try to sweep it all away, year after year...... I'm just so grieved for the victims and their families and friends................. Wake up people. There is a trend to accept violent acts. Just wait until they grow into something stronger. Close our local high school football teams down NOW! Let them all know this won't be accepted. Punish the guilty. Support justice and the families of the so called hazing. My husband and I are so angry, I don't even know where to put it. By the way Flathead Valley...... this is not the first time this has happen. I'm sick to my stomach. Spread the word. We don't support violence. That is not hazing it is a violent crime.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 10:08 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            Well mom, I've done hundreds of trips and thousands of miles. I was never told I couldn't sleep and I never saw children sliding under seats...never. Did I somehow have better control of my students? I don't think so. I think this nonsense about several kids pulling several other kids under seats is bull. If it's dark and both the coaches are sleeping, why? Maybe one dopey kid crawled under the seat for who knows what reason and suddenly supposedly everyone is pulling everyone under seats. Too funny.

            ...and like I said before, we have all this commotion in silence. Kids can't be silent if their life depended on it. Did the bus driver have his iPod on or what?

             
          • mom posted at 9:43 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            mom Posts: 628

            Yes, Kris, about ten rides back and forth, places like Missoula, Butte, Helena, Great Falls. Long, long days.
            Not real comfy buses, either. No restrooms. Not a smooth ride at sixty miles per hour. I'm not even sure they're safe.
            Kids slide on their backs under seats in order to move about when they have been forbidden to get out of their seats.
            Yes, there might be some embellishing of the story. Until we get official reports it's all we have. Regardless the whole situation needs discussed, and better policies established.

             
          • bcullum1952 posted at 9:31 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            bcullum1952 Posts: 32

            This allegedly occurred at 9 to 9:30 pm, and the both coaches were asleep? Where was the adult supervision that is required on such trips? Is this not a violation of school policy? If not, why not?

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 9:22 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            How many times have you ridden a full school bus mom? They slide under the seats? Really? Is this common? For what purpose exactly? You folks are taking the word of one mother who likely is exaggerating big time just like a lot of you posters here. We have several bitter people that probably had bad high school experiences over reacting. I can't wait to hear what comes next.

             
          • cayuse parent posted at 9:10 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            cayuse parent Posts: 2

            To this mother and to the other parents of the boys who were attacked - I wanted you to know that I commend your courage and your children's courage! Criminal charges should be filed and you have the support of many fellow parents. The reaction of Superintendent Schottle on the news last week was very minimizing of what these boys did! They did not just make "bad choices" Their behavior was criminal and it should be treated that way! At what point do the adults who are responsibile for making sure our kids are safe stand-up and do what is right? If you think something is going amiss in the back of the bus then why not wakeup the coaches? And as for coaches sleeping at 9 at night on a ride home from Missoula? Is it that hard to stay awake - or take turns sleeping? As a parent of teenagers in the Kalispell school district I expect that this situation be taken seriously by the school district and that these "bullies" have serious consequences for their behaviour!

             
          • mom posted at 8:56 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            mom Posts: 628

            Well finally we have a story.
            Yes these perverted little queers need to be registered as sex offenders.
            I just want to know, where do they get the idea to do that to another boy? What sort of upbringing makes that a permissable, normal activity?
            Kids DO slide back and forth under the seats. I've been on the buses where that is a problem, trying to keep males separate from females is difficult as they CAN move fore and aft unseen. Riders in the seats where this is happening have to cooperate, aiding and abetting. Or they could do the right thing and help prevent it.
            I think this whole thing is about morals and discipline. It begins at home many years prior to putting them on a team bus. Somewhere it was pointed out that teaching "it's okay to be gay" has been stretched to "its funny to shock people with gay behavior."
            Not on my team. Straighten up and toe the line, kids.

             
          • HamNeggs posted at 8:55 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            HamNeggs Posts: 79

            averagejoe,
            I agree, this happened because of the mascot they chose!!!! Get real.

             
          • Just a fan posted at 8:49 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Just a fan Posts: 12

            Really?? A $100,000 embezzled? Got all the FACTS on that? Has any of you ever had conversations with any of these men, I mean more than a 2 minute conversation, well i have and have been around this school and all the programs since day 1 and these are good men and coaches. Yes I agree these boys should be punished to the full extent of the law. They should also NEVER be allowed back on any sports team for the rest of their high school careers at Glacier, if not expelled for for at least a year if not longer. You can mentor and lecture and try to install good decision making in every young man but there are always some that think they are above that philosphy and continue in their bad decision -making ways. My heart and prayers go out to these victims

             
          • 07Clute posted at 8:44 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            07Clute Posts: 19

            If the victims were freshman girls would the incident have been handled differently?
            Now with the school's gender equality, where is the equality- with civil litigation already percolating- full open transparent disclosure is paramount. As this case works it way through the courts improprieties will surface like a shard in a punch bowl.

             
          • averagejoe posted at 8:33 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            averagejoe Posts: 253

            jeancalvinus,
            For the record I am very familiar with the Glacier program having had a son in it for three years,and I do not share your rah rah mentality. I have not talked to Grady Bennett about this and do not intend to. Since this program started there have been several incidents, none quite to this level, that have been covered up by the Glacier administration and coaching staff. You mentioned just one of them. I did notice that you only defend Bennett and not his superiors, why is that? When the school board chose the Wolfpack name many of us in the community were not happy because of the connotations of the term "Pack". The name Timberwolves was suggested as an alternative but Callie Langohr and Mark Dennehy insisted on the "Pack". That is what happened on that bus, it wasn't only 2 or 3 boys doing this it was the "Pack" led by its Alpha male star player. Most of these boys that participated returned to school today, the other three will return next Monday. They have all been out in the community pleading there innocence, some at school sponsored events. They are not remorseful at all and now they are back in school. Will the administration be able to protect the victims? They didn't protect them before what has changed that they will now. Callie Langohr and Mark Dennehy wanted their Wolfpack and now thats what they have.

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 8:08 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            I hate to tell you this folks, but coaches and advisors sleep on buses all the time and that is not likely to change soon. Do you really want to pay a coach peanuts and then tell him on a multi-hour bus ride that he cannot sleep? The bus driver has a role in this mess too. How could that driver be so clueless to the apparent chaos that was happening? After all, several kids were crawling under seats with pummeling and other activities taking place. The kids did this in silence?

             
          • Moderate Montanan posted at 7:54 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            Moderate Montanan Posts: 2

            It is time to seriously review the job AD Dennehy at GHS has been doing. It was under his direct watch that over a $100,000 was embezzled, it was under his watch that this bullying incident occurred. Mind you that this is not the first time there has been controversy on a team bus but the previous times it has been handled "in house". Why were there two team buses with approximately 20 kids on each bus, with the coaches sleeping? Wow, talk about a lack of coach responsibility; this falls directly on head coach Bennett and AD Dennehy. As far as kids being indoctrinated into the football philosophy, as per jeancalvinus's post, isn't the freshmen team part of the program? So where did the philosophy fail? Indoctrination is an interesting choice to describe the football philosophy at GHS. Is that what we want, kids to be indoctrinated into the head coaches and AD's philosophy?
            This whole incident should make the school board and the superintendent seriously evaluate the administration at GHS. GHS has been operating for four years and the excuse of "we are a new school and learning" is no longer acceptable. If a student does not follow and meet certain requirements, violates policies, they are suspended and can be expelled. Perhaps the school board should place the same requirements on the administration.

             
          • horsingaround posted at 7:51 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            horsingaround Posts: 1

            Well I think after they find these juvinile delinquints guilty they should make all 8 of the students and their parents register on the sex offender list so they can never coach sports or teach or do anything related to people or kids! The parents of these children should be ashamed of themselves they should all be pooling there money toghether to help these victims out in any way shape or form! If the school system is trying to cover this up all parties involved should be fired, in my opinion they are no better than the purpatraitor's. We as tax payer's should be in arms over this and pull all the kids from this school !!! Their are plenty of other options in the valley. My heart goes out to the victim's and I am very proud of the mother who is speaking up for her child! Only if this world had more mother's like her !!!!

             
          • krispistofferson posted at 7:50 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            krispistofferson Posts: 265

            Something is funny about the mom's story. You all been on a school bus? SEVERAL students crawled under the seats dragging kids the length of the bus? What, these dwarf football players or something? And how do you get leverage exactly in such a small space to drag someone against their will?

            I need to see a reenactment.

             
          • michael posted at 7:46 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            michael Posts: 525

            Din, I agree with all you say, but I wonder about "This would make lazy administrators do the job they are being paid for!" I'm thinking of the recent past about the boy with the drug laced brownies and his mother who'd apparently ran to his rescue at every turn. I honestly don't know what the situation is with the administrators, law officers, etc., but can't help it wonder if some of this doesn't get swept under the rug because the guilty student's parents attack and the officials just back off to get out from under a legal mess.
            I don't understand why the adults on this bus were asleep? Bullying is a horrible thing, something a person may never get over. I hope the attackers are punished severely. They should not be allowed to participate in sports or attend the same school as those they have wronged.

             
          • sniper1 posted at 7:43 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            sniper1 Posts: 8

            If the coaches were asleep i sure hope the bus driver wasn't. This is another case of schooll district 5 trying to calm things over after incidents. Flathead gets the bad rap but THE GLACIER CAN DO NO WRONG fairy tale is over. Maybe the superintendent will look into all reported cases of coaches not doing their jobs now. I personaliy went to the superintendents office to report an incident but she was in a conference. I gave her secretary my name and e-mail so that she could get back to me and guess what----NOTHING HAPPENED.

             
          • james posted at 7:30 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            james Posts: 516

            same stuff that has been going on since in the 50's, the kids on the teams got away with everything as their parents were " pillars" of the community, I have never supported football since this stuff happened to me and the school did noting !!!

             
          • dln posted at 7:08 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            dln Posts: 50

            I realize that the assault that has taken place is much more than bullying. However, I would about bet that the perpetrators have been bullying kids for years and getting away with it because there are no consequences because there are no BULLY LAWS in Montana that would force adminstators to protect the kids. Hence the behavior has escalated to this! The requried "bully policy" that schools are required to have are a joke. I removed my son from a school here because of his being bullied and the administrator who did NOTHING about it. He was more worried about being a buddy and not a leader to the kids at this school.
            It is time that Montana protects its kids from bullies. We need BULLY LAWS! This would make lazy administrators do the job they are being paid for!
            My heart goes out to this victims. I can't even imagine the mental anguish they must be having.

             
          • jeancalvinus posted at 4:55 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            jeancalvinus Posts: 327

            Average Joe, you are just plain wrong. How many conversations have you even had with Coach Bennett personally? Downplay the incident? I don't think so--throwing the kids off the team is hardly DOWNPLAYING anything! He has no control over how long the school suspends the players for, and if you had even been to ONE practice, start to finish, you would know this kind of behavior is hardly tolerated, encouraged, or accepted. THROWING THE KIDS OFF THE TEAM is hardly win at all costs.

            When something similar happened 4 years ago on the Varsity (except it was one player not 8), he threw the kid off the team, even though he had a very close relationship with him. If this kind of thing had happened on the varsity, even if it had been 8 starting players, I can say without hesitation those kids would have been GONE.

            This mother will NEVER be demonized by Grady. He is furious over what happened, and is unable to speak to the parents much because of the school's liability policy. I do not know if those boys (the victims) left the football team or not, but rest assured he is on THEIR side. There are plans being made to indoctrinate incoming freshmen into the football program's philosophy (which if you had been around the program, would obviously be against any form of this behavior) even more than they already have.

            Grady builds men. He does NOT build bullies. His first priority is NOT winning at all costs, it is building responsibility and teamwork at all costs.

             
          • averagejoe posted at 12:27 am on Wed, Sep 21, 2011.

            averagejoe Posts: 253

            The major point that is being missed here is that this behavior by these students was allowed by the coaches of the Glacier Football team. It has been happening since the start of the season culminating in what happened a week ago on that bus trip. The outrage you here in the community is not coming from Glacier parents as a whole only from those whose kids were abused.. The win at all cost attitude along with the special treatment athletes enjoy at Glacier has brought this type of behavior out. Superintendent Schottle,Principal Langohr, Activities Director Dennehy and Head Coach Bennett have tried to downplay and cover this up from the start. It has become second nature for them do this when there is an embarrassing incident, usually it works, this time it blew up in their faces. The next step will be for them to demonize the mother and say she is way off base about what happened, that her son is just embelishing what happened. The step after that is to get officer Parce to go along, if he doesn't he will be removed from Glacier. In the end it will be two or three of these boys who take the blame and they will be cut loose and no longer be part of the pack. They embarrassed the pack so now they will be on their own. The pack will survive once it gets rid of its weak members. In a few months this will all be forgotten, the other boys who either participated or just watched will be playing basketball or wrestling, and as long as they are winning all will be forgiven. After all as they say at Glacier "The Strength of the Wolf is the Pack"

             
          • Sadiecb1 posted at 11:47 pm on Tue, Sep 20, 2011.

            Sadiecb1 Posts: 5

            Back in the 70's older boys picked on my brother who was too easy going. My Mom called the school and it ended up that my brother got picked on more and nothing happened to the bully's. Being a younger sister who was in touble a lot didn't just get even with the bully's I made there life a living hell. I quess the school system hasn't changed in 30 years. They still don't do anything to bully's. It's too bad the school board doesn't read the stastics about young people being pushed too far by bullys and ending there young lifes. The bullys at GH should be tried as adults and do hard time in jail with the really bad boys. I'm sure there is hard core men in jail that would like to get some young stuff.

             
          • didjaknow posted at 10:03 pm on Tue, Sep 20, 2011.

            didjaknow Posts: 29

            Back in 1996, my son was a freshman, attending Kalispell Junior High School. He had attended one of the small rural schools before entering a Kalispell School. There were a group of boys that harrassed, threatened and physically assaulted my son and others. They attacked my son, claiming that they were going to rid the school of minorities and continually challenged him to fight and when he didn't, they pushed him down stairs etc. I met with the school's administration for them to address this situation. Their response was for me to file a police report for physical assault against these boys. I requested that they take the necessary steps to ensure safety for my son and other students and address the racial attacks. They did nothing. The other boys were never suspended or reprimanded. I moved my son to a different rural high school, where he graduated with honors and a full ride scholarship to an out of state college. The ring leader of these boys did not graduate high school. I shudder to think what might have happened if we didn't make the move to put my son in a smaller school, that could provide more transparency and safety for him.

            What has happened to these boys recently is appalling and criminal. I believe that the school is resistant to offering any services as this might lend to the notion that they are liable for the lack of security and what has happened to these young men.

            I think the administration and law enforcemen that is making this decisions (or lack of them), should put their children/grandchildren with these criminals on a bus, in the dark, with sleeping supervision.

             
          • lousia posted at 9:39 pm on Tue, Sep 20, 2011.

            lousia Posts: 196

            Sounds to me like the school would like to sweep this under the rug and nothing more said about it,
            This is terrible, people might say this is terrible to say but I was wondering who these so called bully's are and if there is big money involved in this. I had experience once where people were rich and had such and such a name so it was all swept under the rug it was in a school to.
            And i hope nothing else happens to the victims from these so called bully's. If nothing happens to them as a punshment, I wonder what they will figure out to do next thats evil.

             
          • Jeffak posted at 9:08 pm on Tue, Sep 20, 2011.

            Jeffak Posts: 102

            Yikes, sounds like some sick puppies. 8 days suspended gives them some time at home with the same parents that taught them such social skills...yep...that should fix everything...

             

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