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Posted: Saturday, October 2, 2010 2:00 am

A judge has ruled that an all-state lineman removed from the Flathead High School football team for allegedly violating the school’s chemical-use policy must be reinstated until a lawsuit filed by his mother reaches a conclusion.

Flathead District Court Judge Katherine Curtis on Friday issued a preliminary injunction preventing the school’s administration from barring 17-year-old Connor Thomas from extracurricular activities. Thomas did not travel with the team for Friday’s game against Bozeman High School.

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          • schoolboy256 posted at 2:45 pm on Sat, Oct 23, 2010.

            schoolboy256 Posts: 1

            to truthspeaks-
            where was mccarvel when ? HE WAS AT A MEETING WITH TH OTHER COACHES. its not his fault those kids did those things. it would've been to late to get a new head coach anyway who is in the school. I bet none of the other assistants have the experience/willing to step up to the job.

          • skigirl posted at 11:25 am on Wed, Oct 13, 2010.

            skigirl Posts: 14

            Wow, Simply Ticked - you certainly are living up to your name. Calling me an idiot and all... I could come down to your level and tell you how poor your english is; however, because you were a cheerleader in high school and spent time doing things you weren't proud of, I'm sure you were much too busy to be overly scrupulous about your academics, therefore, I'll cut you some slack. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't help but think that perhaps you - like Ms. Thomas, also fail to hold your kids responsible for their wrongdoings. Sounds like you "have their backs" whenever they screw up. Hmmm...Hopefully we won't be reading about your kids in the paper as well - or perhaps we already have. But I'm sure whatever they have done or perhaps will do, it will (always) be the fault of others. That's just the way people like you are - it's always somebody else's fault. Always. Just an fyi - when I was in high school, (over 20 years ago) some students (including myself) got caught drinking 3.2% beer at a bonfire. Those in sports were removed from the basketball team and humiliated by the public. However, that was nothing compared to the trouble we were in when our parents found out - nothing. Lessons learned. Guess our parents were horrible people; if only they would've just blamed everybody else. Dammit. Oh yah, one more thing...Just so I'm prepared for when my two younger kiddos make it into high school - just what changes are YOU trying to make?

          • beavin posted at 11:22 pm on Fri, Oct 8, 2010.

            beavin Posts: 1

            What makes this interesting about Connor is that at about the same time his older brother Tyler was kicked off the Oregon State Beaver football team for breaking into a house late at night in Corvallis. I believe that his brother was on a scholarship at the time and was dismissed from the team in August 2010. Apparently he was found in a woman's house drunk with no clothing on and when the police officers showed up he dropped into a three point stance and went after them and had to be tased: hard to believe but true. Sounds like it was a series of mistakes with this final one getting him booted from the team.

          • FOOTBALLFREAK posted at 4:28 pm on Thu, Oct 7, 2010.

            FOOTBALLFREAK Posts: 60

            mtbasebll..to sum it up i believe I will again revisit a previous question that deserves a second look and a definition ... Zero Tolerance !! .... exactly what is Zero Tolerance ... whatever that is.... Frank Job talks about it at all of the fall parent meetings as well as when he travels to each of the k thru 12 systems in the valley ?? WHAT THE HECK IS THE DEFINITION of ZERO TOLERANCE ..... if the guidelines are clearly presented and I believe they are , then this blog and all questions are easily enough answered . I remember a boy who was simply at a party with some other players who were admittedly ( and charged with ) drinking , he was kicked off the team . That event sent this , "bad decision making young lad " down a road not intended . At that time he was a stand out player and was still subject to the " Zero Tolerance " rule ... he signed a code of conduct and had he stayed home and watched sports center , I believe he would be in a different place . He had the stats to be considered at the next level ..... I am not sure of his family situation ....
            The point is .... if we all have clearly laid expectations and agree with them ahead of time , everything is clear from the start .... I see no difference in the way these 2 ,and or any other situations that apply , SHOULD be handled .... He would not play for me .....Nor would any other person who made the same or similar decisions ... ( there is a reason for black and white ZERO TOLERANCE )

          • mtbasebll posted at 2:55 pm on Thu, Oct 7, 2010.

            mtbasebll Posts: 22

            And to Simply ticked,, yes there is a platform to argue some changes need to be made,,, BUT maybe they shoud have sued to not have to sign the code of conduct in the first place, but they did, so, he broke the rules PERIOD. Maybe some change needs to be made at home,, instill the doctrine of "playing by the rules" "be responsible for your actions" "your decisions today will shape your tomorrow"...From what I've seen there are approximatively 300 kids active in sports at Flathead,, I havent heard of anyone else suing to sidestep the rules

          • mtbasebll posted at 2:50 pm on Thu, Oct 7, 2010.

            mtbasebll Posts: 22

            Playing high school football is not a constitutional right, no one held a gun to the Thomas's head while signing the code of conduct, I'd also bet no one held a gun to his head when he let his buddy toke up in his car, would we rather he learn a life lesson now? or later? He made a conscious decision, knowing it was in violation of the agreement he signed at free will,,, also, I dont think its fair to compare him to his brother,, They made mistakes, and be thankful the mistakes didnt cause more harm, as for college.. if he wants a college education, its available, but the bottom line should be,, his high school football days should be over.

          • simply_ticked posted at 5:11 am on Thu, Oct 7, 2010.

            simply_ticked Posts: 3

            Ski Girl.... Your an idiot. I bet you do not have ANY kids at the high school level...... therefore your opinion doesn't matter much to me.... However I do have kids at the High School and I am involved and I do know what goes on over there.... While you sit at home and blog blog blog about your opinion I rack my brain to try and make changes.... Connor's family doesn't want him to lose his future for a stupid decision that day..... You talk about tax dollars.... Give me a break.... You keep your blinders on and go about your bad self.... while hopefully the rest of us in this community sees that things needs to be changed NOW and will finally see some changes..... I can only watch over my children when they are with me and I can guide them through life but when they are exposed to so much outside of my home, I pray they make wise choices.... if they don't, Do I have there back???? Yes mam I do.... and if you say you don't then you are a horrible mother......Kids screw up, how dare you to continue on and put your outrageous opinion..... I would love to microscope your life and hold you responsible for every thing you did when you were young...... I was a varsity cheerleader when I was in high school and did somethings that I am not proud of while being on that team.... Is it who I am today???? NOPE it sure is not..... Did I get caught??? NOPE I sure did not..... and I am very successful and have all heart when it comes to my children and Flathead High School... I love the teachers and most of the coaches and support them 100%...... Nothing is perfect in this world, look what our young adults see.... For example---Michael Vick went to prison and guess what??? He is out and back on a NFL football team..... Leave this family alone.... Let them do what they feel they need to do....

            One more thing.... yes you are right in one thing you said and that is that you have the right to your opinion.... We live in the best country in world.... Land of the free..... however we still have to answer to god and it states to love not to hate and not to judge or you will be judged upon......

          • Bravesfn posted at 5:28 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            Bravesfn Posts: 70

            If Connor was driving and didn't smoke any drugs then that make him innocent. The article make it seem like he didn't know the other kids had the drugs when they got into the car. so in a way he is innocent. therefore I don't see any reasons for the Coach to be sued.

          • Bravesfn posted at 5:11 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            Bravesfn Posts: 70

            Why would Mr McCarvel get sued?

          • skigirl posted at 4:42 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            skigirl Posts: 14

            It's not about McCarvel holding the kids hands 24/7. It's about the kids taking responsibility for their actions and even more so, it's about how the parent's handle it and how the coach and the school administration handles it. Kids are kids, and sooner or later, one of them will mess up. It could have been any of our kids getting in trouble - I don't think that is the point. The point is, there is a gross lack of the Thomas' accepting responsibility - at all levels. I think McCarvel will play Connor as he previously did - afterall, it is likely he may be sued as well. How sad is that?

          • Bravesfn posted at 2:31 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            Bravesfn Posts: 70

            I don't understand why people are going after the coach. It not his fault that these kids make the decisions they do. Coach McCarvel can't be with 60 kids 24/7. He can lay sown the rules, but it the kids who make the decisions to follow the rules or not. He can't be looking over their shoulders every seconds. When the Hazing Incident happed in Billings, Mr McCarvel was at a meeting, with the other Coaches. So of course he couldn't know what was going on. And the Drugs thing append during lunch, He is a TEACHER. He was teaching when that happed. The Players made the choices they did. He can't be with 60 kids every minute. He has a personal life also and is a teacher, He's only spends about 2 hours with the kids each day during the football season. So he isn't going to know what every kid is doing every minute.

            I like Coach McCarvel, He is a great Guy and Fun to talk to. He is a Great teacher. He knows alot about Football and Math. But I still wouldn't blame or go after him. It nit his fault. Also it was a Judge who order Connor to be put back on the Team.

          • JMGriz posted at 12:45 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            JMGriz Posts: 57

            To Truthspeaks: I don't think one person mentioned the Billings "incident" should have been swept under the rug, and it wasn't. Their names were drug through the mud, they were disciplined by their coaches, and by the system in having to do community service. It just doesn't appear that they're going to get the death penalty as you seem to be calling for, so all I'm saying is, this is a separate incident, they have been punished, had it been a serious enough incident, the legal system would have come into play, so you don't have to get over it (as I see you're unwilling to do), but it's over.

            As for blaming McCarvel for that?? That's the kind of thing that makes me sick! "We trusted our boys with him", and he didn't hold 105 hands for 24 hours a day - what a piece of work! Here's another question for you, since you trusted your kids to the school all day, why was there not an administrator or chapparone to drive each individual kid to lunch that day to make sure no poor decisions were made?? They need to shut down the whole school if they are allowing kids to leave the grounds, and make bad choices!! What is going on over there?!!!

            Back to the incident at hand; simply ticked; you're absolutely right. I'm sure the Thomas family is a very good family, who has simply made a couple bad choices. I wouldn't even consider judging them, or wishing them any further harm than they have already been through. However, this is a contract signed by the parent, and the student, they know exactly what is at risk, and Connor put all of those things on the line at lunch that day. I don't believe his Mom is doing him any favors by putting this thing through court, and Coach McCarvel wouldn't be doing him, or his program any favors by letting him play a single down before senior night (maybe if the participation / attitude is sufficient). I hope McCarvel makes the correct choice and lets the kid who replaced him continue to play, as he followed the rules and code of conduct required to play Flathead sports. I also hope the best for both Connor & Tyler in moving forward, learning from these mistakes, and having a bright future.

          • skigirl posted at 12:27 pm on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            skigirl Posts: 14

            Well Simply Ticked let me tell you - I have three kids in the Flathead school system and while I would do anything for any of my kids, I would never go so far to allow them to be excused from deeming responsibility for partaking in behaviors such as those chosen by both of the Thomas boys. Moreover, Mrs. Thomas is going so far as to file a lawsuit against the school. Are you kidding me? You said "They have to live with it." ("It" being the bad decision.) I'm sorry, but I don't really see where filing a lawsuit and denying that Connor did anything wrong is allowing him to "Live with it". Seems to me, the other three boys involved are living with it. Their parents aren't choosing to file suit against the school nor denying wrongdoing. You said "Life is about lessons and what you learn from it." What lesson is Connor learning? It's okay to consciously make a decision to drive around town during school lunch, smoking pot (but we all know he didn't inhale) and if those mean ole cops stop you and you get kicked off the football team and possibly loose your scholarship, then don't worry honey, mommy will just file a lawsuit and make sure nothing happens to you. Yah, that's what you call learning from it. Just because he has a verbal committment to play for Oregon shouldn't provide him any more forgiveness than the others involved. Most of us are smart enough to realize the probability of hundreds of other talented football players and honor students that could most certainly fill the spot for Oregon - under more honorable, dedicated, and loyal circumstances. But that will be for Oregon to decide. One more thing, I have a right to blog, blog, blog about this. After all, it will be my hard-earned tax dollars (and thousands of others) that will be spent defending the school system from this heap of crap. Lastly, don't you dare feel sorry for me.

          • simply_ticked posted at 6:14 am on Wed, Oct 6, 2010.

            simply_ticked Posts: 3

            I have been following this from the beginning as you all have and I have to say....... How many of you have kids? How many of you can say to yourself "I would do anything for my kids"? Right, wrong or indifferent these are still our kids we are talking about.... Did those four boys make a bad choice that day? They have to live with it.... Who are any of you to pass any kind of judgement on this family... What you all are doing is so wrong.... and I feel sorry for you because one day you too will have judgement past upon you.... The Thomas family is a good family and if you knew them personally you might have a different approach or opinion... You don't think that any of those boys wish they could go back to that day and change it???? Life is about lessons and what you learn from it.... Don't forget we are not talking about adults here.... We are talking about the children of our future.... Should he be axed for a mistake he made? I think he already has been. You want this young man to lose his future for an incident..... That is wrong..... Then some of you turn on the coaching staff?? What is wrong with you people? I would like any of you to say that you volunteer at these schools? How many of you have stood up to try and change anything? How many of you are trying to make a difference? How many of you sit and blog blog blog about your opinion on a matter that simply doesn't make sense to you? We are a small community and we should come together as that and try to make changes... Obviously these boys thought that day they were exempted from following the rules... Why would they think that? You all think the coach should bench him.... Why don't we let the boys on that team decide if Connor should play? Connor is an honor student that was also the team captain and has always displayed honor, dedication and loyalty to the sport..... Those Flathead kids are loving, supportive and forgiving..... Maybe you all should learn these traits....

          • truthspeaks posted at 8:25 pm on Tue, Oct 5, 2010.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            To sickntired,flatheadguy and JMgriz..
            After hearing what happened in Billings to that poor kid and seeing your posts with such BS as they have moved on,its all been handled and everyone has paid their dues, you are the type of people who make me sick. How dare you sweep that incident under the rug? Mccarvel, should have been replaced. Yes we all know it wasn't a school sponspred event, but where were the chaparones? Where was Mccarvel who some parents trusted him with their boys with? What about the fact that two of the "noninhalers" were part of the gang that held that poor kid down? What do you have to say about that? How will you justify that? Aparnetly lack of integrity isn't just isolated to the Thomas family, you three are just as twisted. Heres another question... do you honestly believe this is the first time these boys have been in trouble? Get real. This just didn't get swept away by the administration this time.

          • MontanaJim72 posted at 6:31 pm on Tue, Oct 5, 2010.

            MontanaJim72 Posts: 225

            It was my understanding that the contract is signed by both the student AND the parents. I also understand it to say that any student may not be partaking of, in possession of, or around anybody who is doing or possessing drugs. I'm not sure how much more clear the school district can make it. I believe he was the driver of the car. In most states, barring other evidence, that would make him in possession of drugs unless somebody else owns up to it. The lawsuit has its obvious aims. By the time it works through the courts, football season will be over. I hope the coach will stand up for his other players who followed through on what they signed and keeps him on the bench. Even Mom can't fix that. If a scholarship meant that much to him, he could have left drugs alone long enought to get through one sports season. Obviously, it did not.

          • truthspeaks posted at 2:01 pm on Tue, Oct 5, 2010.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            The day that the cops tased his naked, drunken, trespassing brother, is the day that supossed verbal scholarship disappeared. We just have the mothers word (for whatever that is worth in this family) that there was even a "verbal commitment". As most adults know, do not take anything for granted unless it is in writing.

            I still believe we need to go to drug testing for ALL extra curricular activities. Thanks to the Thomas family!

          • lester posted at 11:39 am on Tue, Oct 5, 2010.

            lester Posts: 34

            It seems like the school district is not doing well in the courts. I have copied a small part of the minutes from an earlier board meeting. Maybe they need a new lawyer; the local judges don't seem to agree with the district..

            EXECUTIVE SESSION - Discussion Only: At 6:07 p.m. Chair Bailey announced the meeting would convene to Executive Session to discuss litigation with the KPS Legal Counsel Jeff Hindoien regarding Bill Hartford. Due to the discussion of legal strategy as provided in Section 2-3-203 M.C.A. the meeting was closed.
            RECONVENE TO OPEN SESSION: The meeting reconvened to open session at 6:49 p.m. Trustee Osweiler moved the Board appeal the recent judgment by Judge Statler to the Montana Supreme Court as presented and structured. Trustee Lonnevik seconded the motion and the motion carried 11-0.

          • FOOTBALLFREAK posted at 10:42 am on Tue, Oct 5, 2010.

            FOOTBALLFREAK Posts: 60

            Many many many pationate responces ... stand back from this one for a second . I posted a comment about Zero Tolerance needing to be clearly defined . I am no lawyer , but I have coached a game or 2 . Clearly , living in the grey area has its ( Liberal ) uses ... I personally am not in support of that . If he was my kid ... i would be actively searching for another university to send him to on whatever kinda scholorship I could find that fit his professional plans for the future . If I was his coach , he simply would not play for me ... anyone who has coached at this level or above " knows" what messages are being sent . Its a gamble to suggest any coach could contain or control any part of this kids behavior ... BUT any coach could control weather or not he played ... he would not play for me ... If his plans include COLLEGE /NFL hopeful thoughts , then he needs to stand back and take a hard look at his behavior and consider accountability , Ryan Leaf comes to mind as a complete embarassment for himself , his family and most Montanan's .. enough has been said about all of the "Comparison Annalysis " ... at the end of this kids senior year ... accountability , transpearancy are 2 words that i believe any person thrusted on to this platform will have to live daily.

          • skigirl posted at 2:21 pm on Mon, Oct 4, 2010.

            skigirl Posts: 14

            Mrs. Thomas, you are embarrassed - and you should be. Both of your boys have (within weeks of each other) managed to screw up and somehow you believe that you can save face by blaming everyone BUT the people who caused the whole problem in the first place - your son(s)! Connor is a senior in HS, and yet even after the nation-wide media coverage of Tyler, chose to violate the school's athletic code of conduct. And I'm sorry, but the whole business about not inhaling or owning any of the paraphenalia is a crock and if you didn't have your head so far in the sand you'd realize it. But again, you are embarrassed - you know it and you are not doing your kid any favors by trying to bale his butt out of trouble. This whole lawsuit speaks volumes to your lack of class. And if Connor had any class, he'd take ownership, apologize and accept the consequences. He better ride the pine at the football games - if not Russ McCarvel and the Flathead Football program will look even worse than they already do. What a shame...People like you make me nauseated.

          • JMGriz posted at 11:16 am on Mon, Oct 4, 2010.

            JMGriz Posts: 57

            Boy - this is really a bad thing. As far as the Billings camp incident goes, that sounded over and done with, it was out of season, the kids paid for their mistake, and it seems that everybody has moved on. As far as this other issue, a signed code of conduct was broken, and it was reversed! Talk about opening the door for ANYBODY to now break this contract as long as they have something to lose (which EVERY kid who signs it does). Now, mess up, take it to court, say this is causing pain and suffering, and you were thinking about playing college ball, and you're back in!!! As sad as this whole case is, Thomas knew the risk he was taking, and what was at stake, it wasn't taken from him by the school, he gave it away, and as unfortunate as that is, he isn't the first or the last I'm sure....

            The only way to right this situaton, is to let him practice and be a part of the team (because it is required by law) but to not let him play a single snap. This is the ONLY way to keep integrity with the contract, and it will also be a good test of his dedication to team play, a thought that had obviously slipped his mind at lunch that day.

          • mom posted at 9:31 am on Mon, Oct 4, 2010.

            mom Posts: 629

            Those of us who are so heavily involved in our children's school sports (such as myself) have the right to know what the hell is going on there. If behavior is out of control that's one thing, but how the school handles it is another. I don't subscribe to the "what you don't know can't hurt you" theory.

          • thebeavertailwhap posted at 7:41 am on Mon, Oct 4, 2010.

            thebeavertailwhap Posts: 1

            Well, here we are... between a rock and a hard place..
            Do we, as Beavers, support you after your older brother's
            embarrassing actions in Corvallis, and your involement in this
            charade? I vote no... There are many more where you came from.
            Why should we, Oregon State University boosters take on more baggage
            from a family who appears to enabling, and from it's children's behaviors,
            somewhat dysfunctional?

          • valentine1961 posted at 7:48 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            valentine1961 Posts: 1

            I am not familiar with this situation, because I live in NJ, but I wanted to leave a comment because I have gone through a similar situation. Recently in NJ an Appellate Law Judge declared the Code of Conduct contract for the Ramapo Indian Hills school district to be unconstitutional. He clearly stated that it violates a students rights and that the school district has no right to police students outside of school. They are within their rights to do so if an incident occurs during a school sponsored activity or if it occurs on school grounds. My son was accuse of being at a party last year before school started. He had to sign the code of conduct the first week of school. He was brought down to the police station and questioned about being there. First let me say that I was present during his questioning and I have to tell you that I would have confessed to murder. They questioned my son as if he had committed murder. I was quite upset by this, I mean he was a 17 year old kid who had never been in trouble for anything. Needless to say, he was given commuity service, even though he insisted that he was there to pick up a friend, but they didn't want to hear it. Our school was notified and like your football player he was suspended. I confronted the school, first off because the alledged incident took place before school started and he signed the contract after school began. It also clearly stated on the top of this contract "during the school year", which it clearly wasn't. I told the vice principal that my sons constitutional rights were being violated and he looked at me like I had five heads. I don't agree with these policies because I do believe that its giving way too much power to the board of education. Their job is to teach my kid, not to police them. People can say what they want,but I think a lot of adults forget that they were once kids. We are not perfect and as kids they are still learning from their mistakes; that's all a part of growing up. I don't condone drinking or doing drugs, but I'm sure that every person has drank before they were legal or they've tried smoking pot; if they say they haven't, I would find it hard to believe them. Lets not persecute these kids before they are given due process. Whatever happened to innocent before being proven guilty. Now your immediately guilty and then proven innocent. I will leave a link to the story from NJ.


            You can paste the link and read the story.

          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 7:32 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            What a wonderful world it would be if we cleaned up our own backyards rather than judging what may or may not be in our neighbors. And then imagine this....after cleaning up our own we actually HELP our neighbors rather than dumping more trash on their pile. Novel thought to many for sure.

          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 7:27 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

          • hatinhypocrisy posted at 7:26 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            hatinhypocrisy Posts: 33

            Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

          • sickntired posted at 3:40 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            sickntired Posts: 2

            Mom, if it was any of your business what happend in Billings then you would know. What you may want to do instead of wanting all the "details" is Stop talking about things that don't involve you....Gossip is all you want, not facts. These boys have served their dues and have moved on. They all have bright futures ahead of them and don't need anyone including you talking about something that happend four months ago. Enough is enough! Leave it alone already.

          • FlatheadGuy posted at 2:01 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            FlatheadGuy Posts: 16

            mom ... quit listening to the rumors. They are outrageous and very far from the truth about what happened.

          • whoayou posted at 12:11 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            whoayou Posts: 1

            He could end all this talk by volunteering to taking a drug test ?

            Then we would know the rest of the story.

            Soooo maybe she will sue the Ducks too?

          • mom posted at 12:08 pm on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            mom Posts: 629

            If the whole sodomy story isn't real, then I wish somebody believable would come out with an official statement and swear to it. Because the rumor is rampant, has lots of people upset about the workings of the high school activities department.

          • Just a fan posted at 9:34 am on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            Just a fan Posts: 12

            These 4 young men signed a CODE OF CONDUCT which they are to abide by. They broke that CODE, dishonored their school, coaches, and teammates. What about the other players that follow this CODE day in and day out, what are they suppose believe now. What about the young players up at kidsports every Saturday morning? What are they going to believe in now , That you just kind of gotta follow the rules but not really.
            This is so sad

          • FlatheadGuy posted at 9:11 am on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            FlatheadGuy Posts: 16

            Montana Buck...you have your facts absolutley wrong. You do not know what happened in Billings. It has been investigated and nothing happened even remotely close to sodomy. Get your facts straight and quit listening to the rampant rumors that are being spread by ignorant people that have nothing better to to than spread hatred and lies.

          • sickntired posted at 7:59 am on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            sickntired Posts: 2

            Montana Buck, Please get your facts straight before posting your very strong and unfounded opinions. There was NO sodomy involved in the incident at camp this past summer.

          • simkatu posted at 1:57 am on Sun, Oct 3, 2010.

            simkatu Posts: 1

            While I am for the decriminalization and legalization of marijuana, I am also for the right of the football coach and the school to remove anyone from the football team for violating team rules. Just because the kid committed no crime doesn't mean he didn't break a team rule. If the coach says you must be in your own home by 10pm and no parties and no alcohol or drugs near you, then you can either choose to follow those rules or quit the team and play for some other coach who doesn't think discipline is important on a team.

            It's so sad that this kid won't learn his lesson. He'll just grow up thinking that rules don't apply to him and his mother will take care of everything for him.

          • MontanaBuck posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            MontanaBuck Posts: 6

            JusticeLeauge - You are a complete joke. The constitution has no role in establishing rules for participation in high school football. This is a privilege plain and simple. Basic rules are established for a reason. It is pretty obvious that if a guy is driving a vehicle and pot is being smoked in the vehicle at the time then the driver is involved. It also clearly violates the rules that athletes and parents agree to. It is established in such a manner for a reason. The guilty by being present approach is practical and pragmatic. It makes it simple - don't kid yourself or anyone else that the kid did not know he was doing wrong with what he did. More likely than not he partook himself but it doesn't matter because he broke the rules no matter what. It wouldn't work to verify by having him pee in a cup because some lamelawyer such as yourself would try to block that too. The whole Brave football program has become a big and sad joke. Sodomize a kid - no problem as long as you can throw touchdowns. Smoke some weed at lunch - love to have you as long as you can get some sacks. Despite compromising themselves in such a pathetic way and catering to ahtletes unable to conform to acceptale societal norms they still cannot win a game. Take your ludicrous constitutional arguments back to So Cal and choke on it.

          • truthspeaks posted at 7:44 pm on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            truthspeaks Posts: 121

            If he is so innocent, I dare him to do a drug test. His brother just got booted from the same university that this guy supposedly made a commitment to for chemical issues and made the national news. The other kids on the team are very upset over this by the way. They follow the rules and this guy gets away with illegal activities.
            Obviously the schools need to do drug testing to ALL the extra curricular activities and then there won't be any more confusion.

          • rdn59901 posted at 2:40 pm on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            rdn59901 Posts: 3

            What message does this send to kids? If you do something wrong, and you know it's wrong, it's okay because Mommy and Daddy think you can do no wrong. So we'll sue anybody who disagrees with us. All kids in extra-curricular activities sign a contract before they participate. It's a legally binding contract........oh wait, but my son can go to college for free so he should be given a break. I'm sorry, my child worked her butt off during high school and no one gave us a break. Hmmm, I wonder who I can sue??

          • flathead posted at 1:14 pm on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            flathead Posts: 1

            I find it so hard to believe that people can let their Constitutional rights be violated day-in and day-out. This country was founded on the sole principle that Constitutional rights limit the power of the government and in this case School District 5. I am just glad someone took a stand and fought for what is truly theirs and didn't stand idle and let this go unnoticed. This is a great wake-up call for the administration of School District 5 to think twice before making hasty, unconstitutional decisions. And as for this aritcle, good we get more biased? I thought journalism was supposed to be objective and consider both sides writing such an article.

          • JusticeLeague posted at 12:40 pm on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            JusticeLeague Posts: 1

            Every citizen of the United States is granted the basic right to due process when accused of wrongdoing as afforded by the Constitutions of both the United States and Montana. No government entity, public institution or private citizen can usurp this right. If you read the carefully crafted ruling issued by Judge Curtis, or even the heavily slanted article written by Mr. Schwartz, it is clear that the School District #5 policy is at odds with these basic constitutional rights and should be changed immediately to prevent any further injustice. I find it unconscionable, while very telling at the same time, that Superintendant Schottle, if quoted accurately in the article, is choosing to continue to violate the constitutional rights of the other students in the vehicle who were not charged. I respectfully suggest that she and her fellow Administrators spend some time in the Social Studies classroom that they require their students to attend.

          • mom posted at 11:54 am on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            mom Posts: 629

            Interesting. At least now the paper reports what did happen. So the rules are gonna be just like at a local race track. We don't really know what they are, you may disregard what's printed, do what you want, we'll fight about it later.
            Okay, so what about the buggers that misbehaved at football camp?

          • mtbasebll posted at 8:01 am on Sat, Oct 2, 2010.

            mtbasebll Posts: 22

            Wow, i guess there is an exception to every rule, or at least thats the message being sent here. I didnt see where the court order said that the coaches have to play him,, He broke the team rules, willingly,,, so he shouldnt play.... Lets see where the morals of the coaches are, if they have to let him back, BENCH him,,, as for losing his scholarship, someone will nab him, he is a good player, but he broke the very contract he signed, own up to your actions,


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